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Federer struggles past Coria 6-0 1-6 6-2

its.like.that
11-17-2005, 01:02 PM
Federer went completely off-boil in the 2nd set, and struggled early in the 3rd, before winning the last 4 games straight.

bad gambler
11-17-2005, 01:05 PM
that second set was federer of the early 2000's - completely lost the plot, wild UE's and mistimed many shots

there is still hope for the ATP :p

Goonergal
11-17-2005, 01:05 PM
Totally Bizarre match.

Billabong
11-17-2005, 01:06 PM
That 2nd set was ridiculous Roger:(! You can play better than that, and you'll have to! GOOOOOOO ROGIIIIIIII:bounce:!!!!!!!!!!

jazz_girl
11-17-2005, 01:06 PM
I don't understand what happened in this match, I saw it, yet I'm lost :confused:

Goonergal
11-17-2005, 01:06 PM
that second set was federer of the early 2000's - completely lost the plot, wild UE's and mistimed many shots

there is still hope for the ATP :p
It was amazing, I've never seen such awful play from him for years!

MariaV
11-17-2005, 01:07 PM
there is still hope for the ATP :p

:haha: :haha: :haha:

its.like.that
11-17-2005, 01:08 PM
has to have been Roger's worst set this whole year.

amierin
11-17-2005, 01:08 PM
I don't understand what happened in this match, I saw it, yet I'm lost :confused:

Where did Roger go in the second set? From reading the recaps it sounds like Coria got a little nervous and started double faulting all over the place in the third.

NINA_BCN
11-17-2005, 01:09 PM
there is still hope for the ATP :p
Thank you, Lord Carlos!!!! :bowdown:


:haha: :haha:

Mrs. B
11-17-2005, 01:09 PM
he felt sorry for Coria and gave him the second set esp after Gullie had an injury time out and showed his feet. :haha: :p

revolution
11-17-2005, 01:10 PM
That was the freakiest match of the year!

Federer was bizarrely missing everything second set, Coria was playing above his level, god knows how it ended like this!

Fed's worst set of the year as well by some distance that second, he couldn't hit his own arse.

Mrs. B
11-17-2005, 01:10 PM
Where did Roger go in the second set? From reading the recaps it sounds like Coria got a little nervous and started double faulting all over the place in the third.

he doublefaulted the match point! :lol:

DrJules
11-17-2005, 01:13 PM
that second set was federer of the early 2000's - completely lost the plot, wild UE's and mistimed many shots

there is still hope for the ATP :p


Like a Davis Cup dead rubber. Match had little value.

Corey Feldman
11-17-2005, 01:16 PM
Like a Davis Cup dead rubber. Match had little value.120 grand us dollars
4 years in a row unbeaten in RR of TMC
keep a 33 unbeaten streak and move it to 34
more ranking points to be gained

i dont think it was as much little value as you think.

LLeytonRules
11-17-2005, 01:17 PM
struggles?If u asked me, he probably wanted extra practice, now its serious, into the semis.

bad gambler
11-17-2005, 01:18 PM
Like a Davis Cup dead rubber. Match had little value.


yes so he was intentionaly missing everything in that second set :silly:

mishar
11-17-2005, 01:20 PM
80-3 on the year. Gonzo & Nalbandian all that's left, two tough matches in Federer's current form, I think.

mangoes
11-17-2005, 01:20 PM
If someone doesn't offer Roger much resistance, his level of play always decreases. Furthermore, I don't think he wanted to commit too much mental energy to this match.

Lastly, he felt badly that Coria hadn't won a set and decided to give him one :) .

competitiva5
11-17-2005, 01:21 PM
FEDERER PLAYED WITH CORIA, LIKE CAT WITH MOUSE!!! HE IS THE MASTER!! INCREDIBLE!!. HE SOW THAT THE MACH WAS POOR AND POOR FOR THE FANS, HE GAVE TO CORIA THE OPORTUNITIE TO UP, JUST PLAYED WITH CORIA!!!

WOW!! WHAT A MASTER FEDERER!!!

FUE DEMASIADO EVIDENTE, POR RESPETO AL PUBLICO Y DAR UN BUEN ESPECTACULO FEDERER JUGO CON CORIA, LO SOLTO MEDIO MUERTO,,,LE DIO MANOTASOS, COMO UN GATO CON UN RATONCITO!!! - EL SABIA PERFECTAMENTE QUE PODIA GANAR CON POCO ESFUERZO. INCREIBLE!!!! QUE INCREIBLE FEDERER!!!

mandoura
11-17-2005, 01:23 PM
I don't understand what happened in this match, I saw it, yet I'm lost :confused:

I don't either :confused: .

I thought he was going to get bagelled back in the 2nd and wouldn't have minded as Coria played brilliantly on a lot of points.

Corey Feldman
11-17-2005, 01:24 PM
:lol: great post and picture competitiva5 :yeah:

mangoes
11-17-2005, 01:24 PM
I think that's what he did....................6:2 in the third? He threw away the 2nd to extend the match. He just wanted to extend the match................what a sweetheart ;)

mandoura
11-17-2005, 01:25 PM
80-3 on the year. Gonzo & Nalbandian all that's left, two tough matches in Federer's current form, I think.

Not so fast. Gaudio still has a chance. :)

Corey Feldman
11-17-2005, 01:27 PM
I don't understand what happened in this match, I saw it, yet I'm lost yeah yeah..
off topic alert :p
what are you like with soccer in your country? will boca juniors beat arsenal tonight? :p

virex
11-17-2005, 01:27 PM
WTA match of the year

Billabong
11-17-2005, 01:31 PM
Rogi elevated again his level when it was most important: 1 UFE in the last 4 games:)!

lucashg
11-17-2005, 01:31 PM
:speakles:

When two of my absolute favorites meet, it's just not supposed to be such a mess like this match. :o

SET 1 - Coria is serveless, gets bagelled.
SET 2 - Federer is clueless, gets a breadstick.
SET 3 - Holds until double-faults rang its bells, GSM Federer 60 16 62.

:smash: :confused:

PaulieM
11-17-2005, 01:31 PM
what on earth happend? haven't seen it yet but what could possibly explain this scoreline? :confused:

hitchhiker
11-17-2005, 01:32 PM
this match and puerta-gaudio might just kill off tennis in asia

R.Federer
11-17-2005, 01:33 PM
that second set was federer of the early 2000's - completely lost the plot, wild UE's and mistimed many shots

there is still hope for the ATP :p
Many of us in Roge forum notice that, except for Slams, he goes off "the boil" in the second set, when he wins the first. This is very true in many T.M.S and other tournaments. It is just classic Roge. I do not understand it. Is it relaxation too much or something else? He seems to need the "urgency" to win the set or something :mad:

RonE
11-17-2005, 01:33 PM
What a :retard: match!

R.Federer
11-17-2005, 01:34 PM
I am looking up the A.T.P web to see when is last time Roge got bread stick.
Be back in a moment

lucashg
11-17-2005, 01:35 PM
WTA match of the year

:lol: I didn't watch it, but score-wise Gaudio vs Nadal Buenos Aires QF still wins, 06 60 61. :p

MissMoJo
11-17-2005, 01:35 PM
If someone doesn't offer Roger much resistance, his level of play always decreases. Furthermore, I don't think he wanted to commit too much mental energy to this match.

Lastly, he felt badly that Coria hadn't won a set and decided to give him one :) .
I'll go with this explaination.

PaulieM
11-17-2005, 01:35 PM
Many of us in Roge forum notice that, except for Slams, he goes off "the boil" in the second set, when he wins the first. This is very true in many T.M.S and other tournaments. It is just classic Roge. I do not understand it. Is it relaxation too much or something else? He seems to need the "urgency" to win the set or something :mad:
he often goes on 2nd set vacations, but not usually anything this bad, to lose a set 6-1?? :o

R.Federer
11-17-2005, 01:36 PM
The last time Roge lose a set 6-1 is Australia Open in 2003, and no surprise it was to david.
(Although he won the next set 6-1 himself), then lost the match in 5 sets.

A.O. 2003
R16 Nalbandian, David (ARG ) 82 4-6 6-3 1-6 6-1 3-6

Kip
11-17-2005, 01:38 PM
I find it rather amusing!

Roger struggling equates to 99% of
the tour playing above average! :cool:

Even when vulnerable due to
injury he still can win anytime
anywhere. :worship:

Pea
11-17-2005, 01:39 PM
WTA match of the year

:haha: :o

DrJules
11-17-2005, 01:39 PM
he often goes on 2nd vacations, but not usually anything this bad, to lose a set 6-1?? :o

Usually 6-2; Andre Agassi US Open, David & Ivan here.

competitiva5
11-17-2005, 01:39 PM
NO..... NO!!!

IT WAS TO GAVE A DECENT MATCH. CORIA IS REALLY BAD.

Kip
11-17-2005, 01:41 PM
there is still hope for the ATP :p

Yeah, when dealing with an injury.
Better add a flu in there just for
good measure! ;)

And then, maybe the others
will be able to do something. :cool:

RogiFan88
11-17-2005, 01:42 PM
Did Guille suddenly turn it way up in the 2nd after his treatment or what? I have yet to see this dorky match... Rogi, good luck for the rest of the tournament cos you'll need it the way you're playing, dropping a set a round. ;)

ExpectedWinner
11-17-2005, 01:43 PM
He's not fit at the moment. At this level if you are 1/2 step slow, your shots go all over the place.

virex
11-17-2005, 01:43 PM
:lol: I didn't watch it, but score-wise Gaudio vs Nadal Buenos Aires QF still wins, 06 60 61. :p

but that was clay. in the dirt, this kind of thing happens more.

and more: that match inclued gaudio. he can play like federer-like for a set and then, play like karlovic on clay.

RonE
11-17-2005, 01:45 PM
Did Guille suddenly turn it way up in the 2nd after his treatment or what?

No, Roger just started spraying errors from every corner of the court.

Unless you have masochistic tendencies, I would highly recommend you didn't watch this match, irrespective if wether you are a Coria or Federer fan.

amierin
11-17-2005, 01:52 PM
No, Roger just started spraying errors from every corner of the court.

Unless you have masochistic tendencies, I would highly recommend you didn't watch this match, irrespective if wether you are a Coria or Federer fan.

I'm hearing Nalby/Ljubo was the better match despite the score.

uNIVERSE mAN
11-17-2005, 01:53 PM
With Coria a lock for the Masters Cup every year, everyone has a guaranteed win under their belt. You can just imagine everyone jumping for joy when that little twerp is in their group.

RonE
11-17-2005, 01:54 PM
I'm hearing Nalby/Ljubo was the better match despite the score.

It was, and even in that match it was pretty awful from Ljubicic :tape:

Golfnduck
11-17-2005, 01:55 PM
Never in my lifetime did I think Coria would hand Roger a breadstick. At least I won my money.

R.Federer
11-17-2005, 02:00 PM
If there are any post match explanations/comment from Roge, iI would like to see!!!

DrJules
11-17-2005, 02:12 PM
If there are any post match explanations/comment from Roge, iI would like to see!!!

Probably did not want to be reported for cruelty to defenceless animals. :help:

sigmagirl91
11-17-2005, 02:13 PM
I didn't expect a grade-school match from Roger. Roge, honey, what happened?

DrJules
11-17-2005, 02:15 PM
With Coria a lock for the Masters Cup every year, everyone has a guaranteed win under their belt. You can just imagine everyone jumping for joy when that little twerp is in their group.

He came to the event with a negative attitude expecting to lose. And guess what he lost. It is not good for the event for one player to keep losing so easily nearly all the time.

uNIVERSE mAN
11-17-2005, 02:20 PM
He came to the event with a negative attitude expecting to lose. And guess what he lost. It is not good for the event for one player to keep losing so easily nearly all the time.

He can't beat a top 7 player off clay, it's very unlikely, and on indoor hardcourt/carpet it's impossible for him, basically I just see him embarassing himself year after year.

liptea
11-17-2005, 02:21 PM
I didn't expect a grade-school match from Roger. Roge, honey, what happened?

Peer pressure.

sigmagirl91
11-17-2005, 02:25 PM
Peer pressure.

Peer pressure can be a beeatch sometimes, you know? ;)

User id 7816
11-17-2005, 02:42 PM
I only watched the third set and I can see this match was only for the spectators etc, but don't you love it when matches on fast courts never end with 6-0 6-1 and 6-2 scores :lol: :p

Carito_90
11-17-2005, 02:43 PM
That's one weird score.

Almost like Nadal/Gaudio's in Buenos Aires :lol:

RogiFan88
11-17-2005, 02:46 PM
not peer pressure, pressure fr himself... embarrassing 2nd set there Rogi... so RonE, this wasn't a high-level match then ;)

TennisGrandSlam
11-17-2005, 02:47 PM
80-3

34 Straight Win since June 2005

Halle - 5
Wimbledon - 7
Cincinnati TMS - 6
US Open - 7
Davis Cup - 1
Bangkok - 5
TMC - 3 (running)

LLeytonRules
11-17-2005, 02:59 PM
If he wins the Masters cup, the streak continues into 06, and people will say can he beat Borg's 49?

mickymouse
11-17-2005, 03:01 PM
My take on this is that he knew Coria was on the verge of retiring and wanted to offer him a carrot to entice him to carry on. He has to do bad enough to make Coria believe he has a chance of winning the match, and so you have the scoreline of 6-1 in the second set, and a tight third set at the beginning. Last 4 games, it's too late and too unsporting for Coria to retire so Federer steps up the gear and finished him off.

Okay, honestly, that was really awful play from Federer.......but guess what, he still won.

prima donna
11-17-2005, 03:11 PM
Aw, Roger felt bad for Guillermo and decided to give him a set. :)

liptea
11-17-2005, 03:32 PM
Peer pressure can be a beeatch sometimes, you know? ;)

fo sho. I guess no one ever told Roger not to drink and play tennis. PTUI.

gillian
11-17-2005, 03:42 PM
No, Roger just started spraying errors from every corner of the court.

Unless you have masochistic tendencies, I would highly recommend you didn't watch this match, irrespective if wether you are a Coria or Federer fan.

As a fan of both, I should stay away? Hmmmm. I guess I should be glad I'm not taping the ESPN replay of it.

NYCtennisfan
11-17-2005, 03:43 PM
What's amazing is that Federer has givven up very few double break advantage sets all year until this tournament. 6-2 to Nalby, 6-2 to Ivan, and 6-1 to Ivan....all in the 2nd set. Weird.

sigmagirl91
11-17-2005, 03:45 PM
What's amazing is that Federer has givven up very few double break advantage sets all year until this tournament. 6-2 to Nalby, 6-2 to Ivan, and 6-1 to Ivan....all in the 2nd set. Weird.


Erm....Coria. Anyhow, Roger.....where's your game face, pal?

NYCtennisfan
11-17-2005, 03:45 PM
Oh, forgot to mention, 80-3 is simply too amazing to comprehend.

sigmagirl91
11-17-2005, 03:46 PM
fo sho. I guess no one ever told Roger not to drink and play tennis. PTUI.

Someone should tell Roger to put down the 40-ounce.

Neely
11-17-2005, 03:49 PM
What an extreme struggle... winning two sets 0 & 2!! :lol:
Okay, the 2nd set was the struggle! ;)

NYCtennisfan
11-17-2005, 03:55 PM
What an extreme struggle... winning two sets 0 & 2!!

:). It was truly a claycourt scoreline.

Dexter_1986
11-17-2005, 04:07 PM
Roger :rocker2:

Sjengster
11-17-2005, 04:25 PM
The last time Roge lose a set 6-1 is Australia Open in 2003, and no surprise it was to david.
(Although he won the next set 6-1 himself), then lost the match in 5 sets.

A.O. 2003
R16 Nalbandian, David (ARG ) 82 4-6 6-3 1-6 6-1 3-6

Wrong. ;)

TMS Paris 2003
Q Henman, Tim (GBR) 6-7, 1-6 (hence the booing from the Parisian crowd at the end when he walked off).

The second set today was probably worse than that one against Henman, and I fail to understand why anyone who is not 100% and is still finding their way back to peak fitness would try and lose a set on purpose just to be tested in the third. I thought perhaps the Federer Brain Trust could come up with a better explanation than this.

jtipson
11-17-2005, 04:34 PM
Wrong. ;)

TMS Paris 2003
Q Henman, Tim (GBR) 6-7, 1-6 (hence the booing from the Parisian crowd at the end when he walked off).



And the one prior to that was against Hewitt in the fifth set of their rubber of the Switzerland/Australia Davis Cup semi. Then we go back to Nalbandian at the AO.

LLeytonRules
11-17-2005, 04:34 PM
LMAO, in the press conference, he told reporters he was watching the swiss soccer matchup in the wee-hours :devil:

Scotso
11-17-2005, 04:34 PM
:haha:

Scotso
11-17-2005, 04:34 PM
LMAO, in the press conference, he told reporters he was watching the swiss soccer matchup in the wee-hours :devil:

That's actually really rude... I guess he wasn't taking Coria seriously?

wcr
11-17-2005, 04:37 PM
AHA!


Shanghai farce entertains crowd

They may have been playing for $120,000 but for the first 50 minutes of Roger Federer's final round robin tie against Guillermo Coria it felt like an exhibition skins match. Despite the Shanghai meltdown, Federer, the two times Masters Cup champion, recorded an 80th win of the season.

Perhaps the pair had agreed in the locker-room of the Qi Zhong stadium to entertain the crowd, after a week of pull-outs verging on crisis. Nothing of course was at stake: Federer secured his semi-final berth on Tuesday, while Coria became a mere tourist to the picturesque city.

But maybe the answer lay in the fact that Federer's preparation for the match involved him staying awake until 4:30am watching Switzerland's football World Cup qualifier against Turkey. "I couldn't believe they were showing it," shrugged Federer. "I thought I might as well take it while it's here."

http://www.eurosport.com/home/pages/v4/l0/s57/e7346/sport_lng0_spo57_evt7346_sto790967.shtml

Follow the link to the full article.

kiro
11-17-2005, 04:38 PM
That's actually really rude... I guess he wasn't taking Coria seriously?

No, don't make too much of it. He was surprised to found that the match was on TV and wouldn't miss it. After all he's a fan of football and closely following the Swiss team.

LLeytonRules
11-17-2005, 04:41 PM
Maybe he would have taken it serious if Coria had something to play for :rolleyes:

jacobhiggins
11-17-2005, 04:46 PM
I don't think it's considence Roger came to this tournament after a long layoff and an injury that may or may not be fully recovered, he isn't moving like he normally does, so that's why he's struggling, well sort of struggling, he's still gonna cream everybody and win the title! He's not 100 percent and still seems unbeatable at the moment!

mangoes
11-17-2005, 04:51 PM
LMAO, in the press conference, he told reporters he was watching the swiss soccer matchup in the wee-hours :devil:


That's funny....................... The ESPN Article say:

"Federer wasn't concerned by his small lapse against Coria, joking that he liked to give the crowd value for money by staying on court for three sets"

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/tennis/news/story?id=2227017

musefanatic
11-17-2005, 04:52 PM
Well done rog, what an odd score line though! :)

nobama
11-17-2005, 05:37 PM
That's actually really rude... I guess he wasn't taking Coria seriously?Neither of them had anything to play for really....yeah some ranking points and $$, but Fed's already in the SF and Coria is going home.

Yeah, he probably could have kept it to himself that he stayed up all night watching soccer. :o But at least it somewhat explains the scoreline. :lol:

nobama
11-17-2005, 05:41 PM
The second set today was probably worse than that one against Henman, and I fail to understand why anyone who is not 100% and is still finding their way back to peak fitness would try and lose a set on purpose just to be tested in the third. I thought perhaps the Federer Brain Trust could come up with a better explanation than this.Yeah I don't believe that for a second. But I suppose the press got a laugh out of the comment. Not sure what Coria would think though... :shrug:

He wouldn't have drifted into Mirkaland in that second set if he didn't stay up all night watching soccer. :smash:

amierin
11-17-2005, 05:54 PM
Yeah I don't believe that for a second. But I suppose the press got a laugh out of the comment. Not sure what Coria would think though... :shrug:

He wouldn't have drifted into Mirkaland in that second set if he didn't stay up all night watching soccer. :smash:

I was just reading on BBC sports that the Swiss and Turkish teams got into a brawl after the match and that tensions were high between the two teams. No wonder Rogelio stayed up to watch.

Sjengster
11-17-2005, 05:57 PM
Yeah I don't believe that for a second. But I suppose the press got a laugh out of the comment. Not sure what Coria would think though... :shrug:

He wouldn't have drifted into Mirkaland in that second set if he didn't stay up all night watching soccer. :smash:

He didn't hurt you, did he?

I'm faintly embarrassed at the idea of late night football viewing being used as an excuse for the performance, I don't think Coria would regard that too highly either if it was mentioned as the main reason why the match went three sets. I was actually expecting to come into GM and find lots of people complaining about other piece of Coria gamesmanship after the first set, convincing Federer he was moments away from retiring and then starting to play much better, but obviously people noticed Roger's UE count and realised quite sensibly that you can't put that down to something Coria was doing, even though the latter did find some very good form in the last two sets until the double faults suddenly returned at the end.

hablovah19
11-17-2005, 05:58 PM
it was a dead rubber, right ? :shrug:
maybe he was trying to tank ? :p
(j/k match is about to start on TSN :D )

hablovah19
11-17-2005, 06:00 PM
Yeah, he probably could have kept it to himself that he stayed up all night watching soccer. :o But at least it somewhat explains the scoreline. :lol:
I can't believe he said that :lol:

amierin
11-17-2005, 06:01 PM
I can't believe he said that :lol:

I'd love to hear Coria's response to that before it gets cleaned up for public consumption. :rolleyes:

soraya
11-17-2005, 06:02 PM
I was planning to go home early from work and watch the rerun, after reading your postings, I am cotemplating if it will worth. I was not certainly expecting a three setter from Roger in this match.

nobama
11-17-2005, 06:05 PM
He didn't hurt you, did he?

I'm faintly embarrassed at the idea of late night football viewing being used as an excuse for the performance, I don't think Coria would regard that too highly either if it was mentioned as the main reason why the match went three sets. I was actually expecting to come into GM and find lots of people complaining about other piece of Coria gamesmanship after the first set, convincing Federer he was moments away from retiring and then starting to play much better, but obviously people noticed Roger's UE count and realised quite sensibly that you can't put that down to something Coria was doing, even though the latter did find some very good form in the last two sets until the double faults suddenly returned at the end.I'm not using that as the total excuse - and I don't think Roger did either. He's certainly not played his best tennis here so far, that's clear. But staying up all night watching a soccer match doesn't help matters, does it?

ExpectedWinner
11-17-2005, 06:07 PM
Yeah, he probably could have kept it to himself that he stayed up all night watching soccer.

People are too sensitive here. Fed's not a member of some boy scout camp, or a monastery resident. He's not even playing team sports where responsibilities for teammates matter. He's his own boss and can do whatever he wants.

Edited to add: of course, he shouldn't use it as an excuse for losing 2nd set.

PaulieM
11-17-2005, 06:07 PM
That's actually really rude... I guess he wasn't taking Coria seriously?
yeah just as rude as when he said he's stayed up watching agassi vs. blake the night before his match. :rolleyes: i don't think he said that's why he played like an idiot, he's said many times before that he tends to sleep late so it seems like his comment was more of a joke. :shrug:

nobama
11-17-2005, 06:08 PM
Here's a link to Fed's press conference: sports.sina.com.cn/t/2005-11-18/00041886403.shtml

I haven't seen it yet, but those who have said he was laughing and joking like a little kid throughout. Also joked about being named one of People Magazine's sexiest men. Someone asked him about whether Tony Roche is giving him advice and he replied, "yes of course, he doesn't just come here to hang out with me, although he'd like to hang out with the sexiest man once in a while..." :haha:

PaulieM
11-17-2005, 06:09 PM
Here's a link to Fed's press conference: sports.sina.com.cn/t/2005-11-18/00041886403.shtml

I haven't seen it yet, but those who have said he was laughing and joking like a little kid throughout. Also joked about being named one of People Magazine's sexiest men. Someone asked him about whether Tony Roche is giving him advice and he replied, "yes of course, he doesn't just come here to hang out with me, although he'd like to hang out with the sexiest man once in a while..." :haha:
:haha:

Sjengster
11-17-2005, 06:11 PM
I'm not using that as the total excuse - and I don't think Roger did either. He's certainly not played his best tennis here so far, that's clear. But staying up all night watching a soccer match doesn't help matters, does it?

Indeed not, and I didn't say that you or he had used it as a total excuse. Still Rog, as big a football fan as you are, it's important to prioritise your own profession in the middle of such a big tournament...

soraya
11-17-2005, 06:11 PM
What's amazing is that Federer has givven up very few double break advantage sets all year until this tournament. 6-2 to Nalby, 6-2 to Ivan, and 6-1 to Ivan....all in the 2nd set. Weird.

Sounds like Roger's second set syndrome

mangoes
11-17-2005, 06:12 PM
I'm not using that as the total excuse - and I don't think Roger did either. He's certainly not played his best tennis here so far, that's clear. But staying up all night watching a soccer match doesn't help matters, does it?


It wasn't just another soccer match, it was for a place in the 2006 world cup. Why wouldn't he stay up to see if his country earned a spot?

adee-gee
11-17-2005, 06:12 PM
Federer could quite possibly have lost all 3 matches in his group, and he's won all 3. Credit where due, he's not playing well and he's still winning.

adee-gee
11-17-2005, 06:13 PM
Indeed not, and I didn't say that you or he had used it as a total excuse. Still Rog, as big a football fan as you are, it's important to prioritise your own profession in the middle of such a big tournament...
Roger could stay awake until the end of the tournament and still win it, lets be honest.

mangoes
11-17-2005, 06:16 PM
Indeed not, and I didn't say that you or he had used it as a total excuse. Still Rog, as big a football fan as you are, it's important to prioritise your own profession in the middle of such a big tournament...


He was playing Coria........................ Does any top player view Coria as a threat? No......... So why should Roger worry and miss out on an exciting soccer match?

adee-gee
11-17-2005, 06:21 PM
He was playing Coria........................ Does any top player view Coria as a threat? No......... So why should Roger worry and miss out on an exciting soccer match?
I view Guille as a threat to my dream of marrying Carla :p

DrJules
11-17-2005, 06:22 PM
He was playing Coria........................ Does any top player view Coria as a threat? No......... So why should Roger worry and miss out on an exciting soccer match?

Hopefully Coria does not qualify next year because all he seems to contribute is somebody that the other players beat easily.

Sjengster
11-17-2005, 06:33 PM
He was playing Coria........................ Does any top player view Coria as a threat? No......... So why should Roger worry and miss out on an exciting soccer match?

But the second set and the first few games of the third showed how Coria can be a threat if you take him too lightly and don't dictate play exactly as you need to. For a period there he was getting into long backhand to backhand rallies, stretching Federer out on both sides and forcing him into error, and passing superbly whenever Federer came forward - then the latter played a couple of good points to get a 0-30 lead at 3-2 in the third, and Coria did a lot of the rest.

PaulieM
11-17-2005, 06:36 PM
I view Guille as a threat to my dream of marrying Carla :p
aww they let you out of the looney bin again :p

adee-gee
11-17-2005, 06:43 PM
aww they let you out of the looney bin again :p
I've been on the loose for a while now http://yelims1.free.fr/Soif/Soif15.gif

PaulieM
11-17-2005, 06:46 PM
I've been on the loose for a while now http://yelims1.free.fr/Soif/Soif15.gif
congrats. :hug:

adee-gee
11-17-2005, 06:50 PM
congrats. :hug:
Is that my hug that you wouldn't give me the other day http://yelims1.free.fr/Amour/Amour04.gif

PaulieM
11-17-2005, 06:54 PM
Is that my hug that you wouldn't give me the other day http://yelims1.free.fr/Amour/Amour04.gif
sure, i still have a couple left for today. that is one creepy smilie by the way. :)

adee-gee
11-17-2005, 06:57 PM
sure, i still have a couple left for today. that is one creepy smilie by the way. :)
This one is my favourite, but I thought our relationship is too fragile at the moment to post it.

http://yelims.free.fr/Sexe/Sexe31.gif

Sjengster
11-17-2005, 07:01 PM
adee, you are an unbridled optimist if you ever think that smilie will become appropriate for one of your MTF assignations.

adee-gee
11-17-2005, 07:02 PM
This is my one for you Sjeng.....:p

http://yelims.free.fr/Sexe/Sexe30.gif

Sjengster
11-17-2005, 07:04 PM
I'd like to know exactly who is playing which role before I pass judgement on this.

adee-gee
11-17-2005, 07:06 PM
I'd like to know exactly who is playing which role before I pass judgement on this.
I'm kissing your ass, in admiration :D

And my smilie for prima donna = http://yelims.free.fr/Sexe/Sexe27.gif

Daniel
11-17-2005, 07:10 PM
Well done Roger :)

Sjengster
11-17-2005, 07:12 PM
I'm kissing your ass, in admiration :D

And my smilie for prima donna = http://yelims.free.fr/Sexe/Sexe27.gif

So, from the looks of it, in the world of emoticons our clothing is yellow and our skin is bright red?

As for that smilie, it's a good effort, but in this case... there are no smilies to describe the sheer poetry of MTF's Italian Stallion. La donna è insana, it would seem.

adee-gee
11-17-2005, 07:15 PM
So, from the looks of it, in the world of emoticons our clothing is yellow and our skin is bright red?

As for that smilie, it's a good effort, but in this case... there are no smilies to describe the sheer poetry of MTF's Italian Stallion. La donna è insana, it would seem.
Its all that sun we've been getting in England, you got a little sunburnt :p

As for Prima Donna, I don't think any smilie could do him justice.

Sjengster
11-17-2005, 07:17 PM
With my aversion to tanning (except in the usual places, ie from the neck upwards and the arms), I severely doubt it. Besides, I've been getting sod all by way of sunshine down here in the last couple of weeks... now that's how I expect an English winter to feel like. All that October sunshine was making me nervous.

switz
11-17-2005, 08:13 PM
it was a sympathy set me thinks. give the tournament a bit more excitment after all the pull outs.

El Legenda
11-17-2005, 08:17 PM
it was a sympathy set me thinks. give the tournament a bit more excitment after all the pull outs.

4-6 maybe but 1-6, why would he want Coria to believe he can do it.

mangoes
11-17-2005, 08:23 PM
I view Guille as a threat to my dream of marrying Carla :p

lololololol :lol:

mangoes
11-17-2005, 08:37 PM
But the second set and the first few games of the third showed how Coria can be a threat if you take him too lightly and don't dictate play exactly as you need to. For a period there he was getting into long backhand to backhand rallies, stretching Federer out on both sides and forcing him into error, and passing superbly whenever Federer came forward - then the latter played a couple of good points to get a 0-30 lead at 3-2 in the third, and Coria did a lot of the rest.


I know that Coria is talented. If anything, he needs a shrink. But, I really am not taking this match so seriously. I think Roger may have wanted to stay out there for 3 sets to give the fans something. Roger, himself, said he didn't spend a lot of energy on the match.

As for Coria, I really don't want to see him in another master's cup until his head is screwed on correctly. It is rediculous that he plays in the TMC and other players are happy when he is in their draw.

RogiFan88
11-17-2005, 08:56 PM
Wrong. ;)

TMS Paris 2003
Q Henman, Tim (GBR) 6-7, 1-6 (hence the booing from the Parisian crowd at the end when he walked off).

The second set today was probably worse than that one against Henman, and I fail to understand why anyone who is not 100% and is still finding their way back to peak fitness would try and lose a set on purpose just to be tested in the third. I thought perhaps the Federer Brain Trust could come up with a better explanation than this.

Now that I've seen most of this match, I have to say that apart fr the 1st set, Guille played better than Rogi. This was definitely the worst RR match so far and if he continues to make so many UEs, return badly, serve so-so and fail to convert those all-important bps, I can see someone as confident as Davydorko or EVEN Nalby [who played quite well vs. Ljubo w hardly any UEs and returning well] taking out Rogi in this TMC. I have yet to see how the Fena/Gaston match goes tomorrow before getting anywhere closer to predicting the outcome of the Fed/[Gaudio/Gonzalez] SF on Sat.

It's really too much for Rogi to drop a set every round and expect to win this thing again -- usually a player who does that [esp in a slam] does not win the title.

I remember Costa [only had 3 straight-setters, R2 vs. Davyd, R3 vs. Gaudenzi and R16 vs. Guga] and Gaudio [2 straight set wins R16 vs. Andreev and QF vs. Hewitt] although they both dropped sets throughout RG they both won it.

Well, good luck, Rogi, hope your foot, your thigh and your head hold out until the bitter end. ;)

*Viva Chile*
11-17-2005, 09:01 PM
I don't remember any other Rogi match with a WTA score :lol:

Sjengster
11-17-2005, 09:06 PM
Actually, it reminded me an awful lot of this particular match from Federer's past:

TMS Hamburg 2002
Q Kuerten, Gustavo (BRA) 6-0, 1-6, 6-2

Not only the exact same score, but a very similar undulation in the level of play from both men. In both cases Federer was merely competent in the first set while his opponent was utterly dreadful, he went completely off the boil early in the second set and the other guy suddenly managed to raise his level, and in the final set he found an extra gear and reeled off the last four games from 2-2. Mind you, at least back then he had the excuse of being an inexperienced 20-year old without a single major title to his name, and playing on a surface where lopsided scorelines are rather more likely.

RogiFan88
11-17-2005, 09:10 PM
One s not be so surprised that Guille got a set off Rogi actually considering he HAS won Basel and Rogi still has yet to achieve such a prize. ;)

megadeth
11-17-2005, 10:05 PM
he was visibly irritated at something... it started when coria was up to his psywar tactics again.

i recall when in the 2nd set fed served and no call was made yet coria stood there questioning the call during the point and got it to go to his favor.

from there, fed was totally distracted and pissed off, he literally tanked the 2nd set. you could also see that when he hands out the 3rd ball to the ball boy before he served that he didn't tap it off to the boy gently...

DhammaTiger
11-17-2005, 10:34 PM
Guile, is not a complete nothing indoors, as has been pointed out that he has won Basle. Anyway congrats to Roger and well played Coria.

tennyfan
11-17-2005, 10:37 PM
he was visibly irritated at something... it started when coria was up to his psywar tactics again.

I think it's more likely that Roger was irritated at himself and the way he was playing in the 2nd set. :rolleyes:

R.Federer
11-17-2005, 10:39 PM
I don't remember any other Rogi match with a WTA score :lol:

The most recent breadstick he ate was at A.O. 2003, served to him by david.
The very next set, he served a breadstick back to david :yeah:

Then he lost the match in 5.

Sjengster
11-17-2005, 11:12 PM
The most recent breadstick he ate was at A.O. 2003, served to him by david.
The very next set, he served a breadstick back to david :yeah:

Then he lost the match in 5.

Ahem - I replied in this very same thread pointing out that his last breadstick was against Henman in Paris in the quarters. And jtipson added that he also lost the deciding set against Hewitt in the DC match 6-1, so there are two more recent examples.

R.Federer
11-18-2005, 12:19 AM
Ahem - I replied in this very same thread pointing out that his last breadstick was against Henman in Paris in the quarters. And jtipson added that he also lost the deciding set against Hewitt in the DC match 6-1, so there are two more recent examples.

Oh did not see that.

But before you said anything in this thread, I had already pointed this out in this very thread (that is, made the same mistake!), so you should have corrected me there....!
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=2695279&postcount=37

nobama
11-18-2005, 12:40 AM
At this point, does it even matter? Fed didn't seem to care in his press conference. And why should he? He's the one with 80 match wins, and the possibility of equaling Mac's record of 82-3. Excluding Nadal, I think that's 30+ more matches than the next best guy (Roddick). I'm sure he can live with a couple crap sets....