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The I Don't Give a Crap if Gaston doesn't win a Match in Shanghai Thread

Action Jackson
11-08-2005, 06:46 AM
Yes, Gaston has made the Masters for the 2nd time and he achieved his objective.

So good luck to him, even if better if Coria was in his group.

Choupi
11-08-2005, 06:56 AM
Yes, Gaston will make the Masters for the 2nd year in a row. It was his goal, he achieved it. Now, whether he wins matches or not isn't what matters for me. What I wanna keep in mind is that, no matter what some may think about the fact that he may not deserve the right to play in Shangaï and that he only got his ticket because of the withdrawals, he hasn't stolen his ticket.
Good luck Gaston.

*Ljubica*
11-08-2005, 06:58 AM
What a wonderful thread title :p Good Luck Gaston - enjoy Shanghai!!

Action Jackson
11-08-2005, 07:02 AM
Seriously I don't give a shit about this event and if he wins a set then the servers will crash and all stupid conspiracy theories will come out.

Betty
11-08-2005, 07:13 AM
hope to try to see some match :yeah:

sonatinca
11-08-2005, 07:21 AM
Whatever someone thinks, Gastón is going to Shanghai, and that means he deserves it. There's no accidental partisipants in Final Masters ;)
Hope, he will have great time there, and no matter with result he already did good job this season :yeah:

Eléa
11-08-2005, 08:26 AM
What I wanna keep in mind is that, no matter what some may think about the fact that he may not deserve the right to play in Shangaï and that he only got his ticket because of the withdrawals, he hasn't stolen his ticket.
That's true. I hope he's happy to go there... But i guess he is :rolleyes:

*Ljubica*
11-08-2005, 08:40 AM
Seriously I don't give a shit about this event and if he wins a set then the servers will crash and all stupid conspiracy theories will come out.

I don't give a shit about it either! But hope he has fun!!!

washingmir
11-08-2005, 12:42 PM
I'll go to Shanghai next week.
Gaston~~

RogiFan88
11-08-2005, 12:46 PM
All I care is that I get to see one of Gaston's matches on TV. Shanghai is quickly becoming the biggest farce of the season. [all this GM crap bashing Gasti for being a tanker... he's not the only player to have lost all his RR matches]

Whoever can still stand up at the end will hoist the trophy.

I say, bring on Gaston, Mariano and David!

Action Jackson
11-08-2005, 12:53 PM
Whoever is going to Shanghai, enjoy the tennis.

They seem to have some good coverage globally of this event, so it should be on. As for tanking in the Masters, well Lendl did it in a RR match, but that was alright.

Choupi
11-08-2005, 01:31 PM
I'll go to Shanghai next week.
Gaston~~
Enjoy it! :)

Eugenia
11-08-2005, 03:45 PM
Vamos Gastón!!! :bounce:
I'm really happy because I can watch more of him in 2005! I missed his last match against Tomas Berdych (and I wanted to watch it so bad!) but now I have a second chance to see him!!! :woohoo: Well done Gastón for qualify again for the TMC! :bigclap:

bovenbuuf
11-08-2005, 05:45 PM
Saw the news this morning, really pleased to hear he made it. Have fun and enjoy it to all the people who are going there to watch the games.

LOVELY
11-08-2005, 06:23 PM
Gaston achieved his goal :clap2: So vamos Gaston and good luck in Shanghai :)

french-guru
11-08-2005, 09:56 PM
We all have the same attitude about this tournament and Gaston, and it's great. We shouldn't care if he wins or loses. There is surely going to be a big crowd. anyways. I would love to go, but priorities! :rolleyes:

Plastic Bertrand
11-09-2005, 02:53 AM
Good luck in Shanghai for Gaston, hope he can see some of the city while he is there. I am not that keen on this event myself, but if he wins a match the carnage that will happen on GM, will be funny to view.

sigmagirl91
11-09-2005, 03:44 AM
Go Gaston. We don't give a DAMN if you don't win a match. You've accomplished what you set out to do this year.

haas'luv
11-09-2005, 04:57 AM
when will he arrive in shanghai?hehe cant wait to see him in real;)

*Ljubica*
11-09-2005, 05:27 AM
when will he arrive in shanghai?hehe cant wait to see him in real;)

He left Argentina yesterday afternoon (Tuesday) and will arrive a little later on today - sorry I don't know the exact time because the time differences confuse me :confused:

Action Jackson
11-09-2005, 07:06 AM
Thanks to Silverwhite for this and it seems the groups have been announced.

Source: http://sports.sina.com.cn/t/2005-11...431870750.shtml

Gold Group:
Rafael Nadal
Andre Agassi
Nikolay Davydenko
Gaston Gaudio

Red Group:
Roger Federer
Guillermo Coria
Ivan Ljubicic
David Nalbandian

Gaston can win a match and in theory he got the easier group.

Choupi
11-09-2005, 07:51 AM
True that when you see the names on the paper you can have legit hopes of at least 1 match won. We'll see.

sonatinca
11-09-2005, 07:51 AM
Thanx Silverwhite and George!
Not bad, not bad!
Well vamos Gaston ;)

Peta Pan
11-09-2005, 01:07 PM
Well I don't mind too much because obviously Gaston isn't going to win the tournament... but it would be really lovely to see him win a match anyhow :)

I'm really looking forward to Shanghai actually because I get to see tennis on free-to-air TV again, and I'll get to see Gaston AND Ljubo :D:D:D

Action Jackson
11-09-2005, 01:09 PM
No one here expects Gaston to win this tournament, but any ATP events on TV are worth watching except the grass court ones.

Aguante_el_Gato
11-09-2005, 01:41 PM
Yes, Gaston will make the Masters for the 2nd year in a row. It was his goal, he achieved it. Now, whether he wins matches or not isn't what matters for me. What I wanna keep in mind is that, no matter what some may think about the fact that he may not deserve the right to play in Shangaï and that he only got his ticket because of the withdrawals, he hasn't stolen his ticket.
Good luck Gaston.Totally agree!!! :yeah:

RogiFan88
11-09-2005, 03:54 PM
It w be nice for Gaston to win vs. Rafa, why not? Gaston has had real matchplay on the surface and he HAS beaten Rafa [on Rafa's best surface]. ;)

Action Jackson
11-09-2005, 03:56 PM
Gaston will do what he does, if he wins, then this forum will have server problems, if he doesn't, well it won't be a surprise.

RogiFan88
11-09-2005, 04:59 PM
Gaston is one of the few guys, outside of Rogi, whom I w be happy to win Shanghai...

justClaudia
11-10-2005, 11:21 AM
Gaston will do what he does, if he wins, then this forum will have server problems, if he doesn't, well it won't be a surprise.


Exactly, he'll do his thing....if he gets to win a match, great - if he doesn't - great as well. :D:D:D

sonatinca
11-10-2005, 11:41 AM
if he wins, then this forum will have server problems
:yeah: :lol:

linus
11-11-2005, 12:31 PM
:lol:

so nice you here :hug:

this afternoon, though i arrived at Qizhong Stadium a bit late coz of rain, my papa picked me there later than my expectation, still luckily gato was practicing with David Nalbandian, he was in a red shirt, seemed so high, but in fact, he was not in his good shape on that surface ;) he turned a bit impatient after a while, but he gulped, David is not bad while gato turned more and more worried then finally he threw his racquet :eek: then picked it up to have a look, all right, it worked still ;) then he went on, after Ljubicic arrived, they finished their practice, maybe David knew that gato was not pleased so he went over to him to say sthg sweet, if i am not wrong, perhaps they are "very good" "not bad" :lol:

after gato began to leave, some children went to him to ask for sign, but gato pouted, not answer them at all, omg, you can see now at that time how he felt :eek: i had a short thought finally decided to run after him outside, at the entrance, i caught him though he was so unkind to the fans around ;) i asked for his sign, he stared at me, i didnt know why he stared at me, in my eyes, if he wanted to refused me, he could leave away straight or tell me he not wanna do that, but omg, he just stared at me :lol: i a bit curious so said to him with kinda louder voice that i wanted him to sign for me, he without any phiz but signned for me at once, of course i was happy though his signature is so strange that i couldnt make it out at all :lol: then i said to him that i wish him do better in his group, omg, he smiled to me but without "thank you" :lol:

Vale
11-11-2005, 01:02 PM
Linus, thanks so much for keeping us informed! I can see you're going to be our star reporter! :angel:
I wish your news was better, though! Gastón sounds perturbed, and he's always nice to his child fans so he must have really been in a foul mood! :devil: I imagine Franco right now must be trying to undo the damage of that bad practice session!

Vale
11-11-2005, 02:44 PM
FORMAL OPENING:

http://www.tennis-x.com/story/2005-11-11/d.php

From the ATP: "The formal opening of Tennis Masters Cup Shanghai will be marked by a convoy of Mercedes-Benz cars that will bring the players to Qi Zhong Stadium for Saturday afternoon's Welcome Ceremony. Each singles player and doubles team will arrive at the stadium in a Mercedes-Benz, and will be dropped off just outside the stadium where fans lining the red carpet entrance will have the opportunity to get autographs from their favorite tennis stars. The competitors at the $4.45 million championship event will then head into the stadium to take their place on stage with local dignitaries and government officials to declare the official start of Tennis Masters Cup. Matches will get underway at 1 p.m. Sunday in Shanghai."...
.............................................
Roger Federer in Shanghai: "I am not a huge fan of the surface, to be honest. It makes me feel strange and it just doesn't take my spin the way I would like it to be...anyway, hopefully I can get used to it after quite a few practice sessions over the week."...

Action Jackson
11-12-2005, 01:32 AM
linus, thanks for the updates and that sounds like a horrific training session he had.

Choupi
11-12-2005, 07:22 AM
Linus, thanks for the update. :) I agree with Vale. Gaston refusing to sign for his kids fans is definitely not a good sign...

*Ljubica*
11-12-2005, 03:16 PM
OK - to cheer you up just before I go - here is some good news :) My friend Crys lives in Shanghai, and is currently enjoying the TMC and has been to most of the practice sessions etc. Here is what she wrote to me today:-

"..........As to Gaston, he trained with Roger today. And seems Roger really liked him, coz he talked with Gaston the most when all the players together, and they are always laughing :) "

She is going to try and take some photos of Gaston for us :) Thanks a lot Crys.

So hope that means Gaston has got over whatever "gremlins" were affecting him and is enjoying himself - sorry you had such a bad experience by the way linus :sad:

Choupi
11-12-2005, 04:44 PM
Thanks Rosie and Crys for those news. :)

RogiFan88
11-13-2005, 01:54 AM
OK - to cheer you up just before I go - here is some good news :) My friend Crys lives in Shanghai, and is currently enjoying the TMC and has been to most of the practice sessions etc. Here is what she wrote to me today:-

"..........As to Gaston, he trained with Roger today. And seems Roger really liked him, coz he talked with Gaston the most when all the players together, and they are always laughing :) "

She is going to try and take some photos of Gaston for us :) Thanks a lot Crys.

So hope that means Gaston has got over whatever "gremlins" were affecting him and is enjoying himself - sorry you had such a bad experience by the way linus :sad:

Thanks for this info, Rosie! I love seeing Rogi and Gasti chatting away at the ceremony! They are just too cute!!! I'm also happy to see them practising. I always wondered if they ever practised since I've never seen them practise. I remember at IWells?? Cliffie was talking about Rogi winning the slams in 2004 and Rogi made sure to mention Gaston "me and Gaudio"!! ;) Gaston and Rogi look quite delectable [yes, delectable] in the black velvet jackets!!

I think it's really too bad they didn't include the alternates Puerta and Gonzalez [I guess Fena just arrived today]... not very nice... :(

I shall definitely be cheering on Gaston to win on Monday!!! and Wed and Fri... ;)

It's a good sign that Gaston is smiling... he really wants to be there and do some damage!

VAMOS, GASTON!

agosto
11-13-2005, 08:23 AM
Watch Masters Cup Shanghai through internet:

1. Download a software from the website below:

http://tv.net9.org/

2. Install and then select channel "stvsport" or "cctv5".

3. Windows Media Player required.

Don't worry about Chinese or unidentified codes, language(English) switch available.
After installing, find an icon on the botton right of your screen, you can switch language and select channel here. Good luck and hope you enjoy matches.
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TV TIME (Shanghai time/same as Hong Kong time)

stvsport - Shanghai Sport

2005-11-13
12:55~18:25 Live

2005-11-14
13:33~13:58 ATP Tennis Magazine
13:58~18:00 Live(double)
19:30~22:00 Live (single)

2005-11-15
09:40~10:55 Replay(single)
13:55~18:00 Live(double)
19:30~22:00 Live (single)

2005-11-16
08:40~10:55 Replay(single)
13:55~18:00 Live(double)
19:30~22:00 Live (single)
23:40~01:45 Replay(double)

2005-11-17
13:55~18:00 Live(double)
19:30~22:00 Live (single)

2005-11-18
09:41~10:55 Replay(single)
13:55~18:00 Live(double)
19:30~22:00 Live (single)

2005-11-19
13:55~16:55 Live(double)
19:15~23:00 Live (single)

2005-11-20
12:50~15:00 Live(double final)
15:53~19:00 Live (single final)
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cctv5

2005-11-13
12:50~14:00 Live
22:10~24:00 Replay

2005-11-14
13:55~17:00 Live

2005-11-15
00:30~02:30 Replay
14:00~17:00 Live
18:55~22:00 Live

2005-11-16
13:55~17:30 Live
22:40~24:00 Replay

2005-11-17
14:30~18:00 Live
22:40~24:00 Replay

2005-11-18
13:55~17:00 Live
22:40~24:00 Replay

2005-11-19
13:55~18:00 Live
18:55~22:20 Replay

2005-11-20
12:55~15:00 Live(double final)
19:00~21:40 Live (single final)

Vale
11-13-2005, 07:03 PM
OK - to cheer you up just before I go - here is some good news :) My friend Crys lives in Shanghai, and is currently enjoying the TMC and has been to most of the practice sessions etc. Here is what she wrote to me today:-

"..........As to Gaston, he trained with Roger today. And seems Roger really liked him, coz he talked with Gaston the most when all the players together, and they are always laughing :) "

She is going to try and take some photos of Gaston for us :) Thanks a lot Crys.

So hope that means Gaston has got over whatever "gremlins" were affecting him and is enjoying himself - sorry you had such a bad experience by the way linus :sad:
Thank you Rosie and Crys! :angel: That´s nice to know! :cool:
Vamos Gastón tomorrow! Let us see that lion again!!! :D

<Blue>
11-14-2005, 12:32 AM
Hi to everyone, I´m new at the forum and just want to say that I hope Gaudio will win tomorrow!
C´mon Gatoo

RogiFan88
11-14-2005, 01:17 AM
Vamos, Gaston!!! You can win your RR1 match!!! You must redeem the losses of Nalby and Coria. ;)

Eléa
11-14-2005, 06:37 AM
Hi to everyone, I´m new at the forum and just want to say that I hope Gaudio will win tomorrow!
C´mon GatooWelcome Here :wavey:

I will follow the live scores at work then watching the match when i'll come back home... or maybe not, depending of the result :o

Action Jackson
11-14-2005, 11:38 AM
Nadal has pulled out of the tournament.

Now Gaston will play Mariano Puerta.

sonatinca
11-14-2005, 11:46 AM
I just learnd Nadal is pulled out :( Hope he'll be ok!

Vamos Gato!!!!!

Choupi
11-14-2005, 11:48 AM
Welcome along Blue. :)

sonatinca
11-14-2005, 12:11 PM
It's seems like Agassi also pulled out, Gonzo is in :scratch:

Caralimon
11-14-2005, 12:32 PM
Let the excuses begin, Gaston is a set and a break up, and let me tell you, he's playing
amazingly.

Corina2605
11-14-2005, 01:10 PM
Wish I could have seen the match. Big congrats to Gaston on winning his first Masters match :) :) :)

Vale
11-14-2005, 01:12 PM
WE WON!!!!!
6-3, 7-5! 10 aces, 4 DFs. When he lost his serve he was heard to say he was dizzy, but then he recuperated and won the match, playing excellent tennis! :worship: :worship:

Peta Pan
11-14-2005, 01:13 PM
Well played Gaston... the backhand was working really well today and it was a great start to the tournament for him :)

Shame about all the withdrawals though :(

sigmagirl91
11-14-2005, 01:23 PM
WTG, Gaston.

Eléa
11-14-2005, 01:25 PM
I can't wait to see the match (which is waiting for me at home)!
Great job Gaston! :yeah: :bigclap:

sonatinca
11-14-2005, 01:39 PM
Congrats, Gaston!!!!!
Well done :banana: :banana: :banana:

RogiFan88
11-14-2005, 03:14 PM
YAY, I get to see Gaston win today, I hope, altho I wanted to see him beat Nadal... oh well, next time.

This is a sign to you, Gasti! ;)

Eugenia
11-14-2005, 03:36 PM
Well done Gastón!!! :bigclap: I can't see the match because I was at school :mad: but I'm so happy that he won his first TCM match!!! :woohoo:

justClaudia
11-14-2005, 04:30 PM
Well done Gaston! :D:D

LOVELY
11-14-2005, 05:21 PM
Well done Gaston :yeah: You did it!!!!!!Congrats!!! :worship: :clap2: :bounce:

*Ljubica*
11-14-2005, 05:40 PM
Hi guys :wavey: Just wanted to pop in to say congrats to Gaston.....but of course I am sad because his win meant my poor Mariano lost :sad: so perhaps I cannot be as happy as the rest of you - hope you understand. Good Luck to Gaston in the rest of the tournament though.

Eléa
11-14-2005, 06:32 PM
I need help! :sad:
I'm really upset, i had seen the match and the comments were incredible!
Lionel Roux (Who's a retired tennisman) insinuated that the match was arranged between Mariano and Gaston from the start, that it looks like an exhibition..
The same speakers already wished that Gaston won't play in shanghai when they commented Bercy. I can't stand them :mad:

RogiFan88
11-14-2005, 08:14 PM
Did Gasti play well or what? Fantastic! Now to beat Davydorko!!!

<Blue>
11-15-2005, 01:55 AM
First Davydenko, then go straight ahead to win the masters!!!

Well that´s just a wish. ;)

It will be a really though match

Action Jackson
11-15-2005, 02:37 AM
Well Gaston knows how to play Mariano and showed it again, the first set was good in the fact that he didn't make many errors and was able to time his backhand, he showed some good signs, though there does need to be some improvement.

Lucas Arg
11-15-2005, 08:55 AM
Well done Gaston!! :bigclap:

Vale
11-15-2005, 06:36 PM
I finally saw Gastón’s match last night and I was truly impressed. :clap2: He's an artist! He seems to have adapted to the fast surface, and playing like that he can face anyone! Not necessarily beat them, but put up a good show. Of course, he always has problems with the serve-and-volley hard-hitting players, but when the ball is in play he’s as good as the best of them.
I’m hoping that González will be on an off-day when they meet! ;)

Davydenko must be suffering from the humiliation of his five defeats against Gastón and will go out on court like a man with a mission! I remind myself that someday that head-to-head statistic will come to a close, and tomorrow could be the day… Of course I’m hoping for Gastón to win, but I’m trying not to be too optimistic. The main thing is for him to play well again. If his Shanghai jaunt finally makes him realize he can compete on this type of surface, it will be a major breakthrough!

Now it seems Tomas Johansson has been called urgently as an alternate and will be arriving on Thursday! :eek: This whole thing has become a farce!
But something good might still come out of the débacle: too many people are demanding that the tennis season be shortened, the Chinese are furious, Nadal and Agassi have both blamed the yearly schedule for the amount of players who are injured… I imagine the ATP and the ITF will finally realise that the present schedule is inhumane :devil: , but there are so many commercial issues involved that it would be difficult to get any of the Masters series to back down! Ideally I think there should be a full ten or twelve week break to ensure players have a good long holiday and also a pre-season. But it won't ever happen... :(

Good luck tomorrow, Gastón! Be a lion again!!! :worship:

Action Jackson
11-16-2005, 03:02 AM
I wouldn't take too much notice of the 5-0 H2H stat over Davydenko, as all of these meetings have been on clay, where Gaston would be favoured to win, whereas Dayvdenko plays better on this surface, as I said in the thread title if he won a match I wouldn't care and if he didn't still wouldn't care.

He can only do his best, no more and no less.

Betty
11-16-2005, 11:34 AM
why the MS doesn't play on clay court :mad: bad match for Gaston

Eléa
11-16-2005, 12:00 PM
Gaston lost 6-3 6-4 :sad: :sad: :sad:

yomike
11-16-2005, 12:12 PM
The good thing is he did not tank the match.
_______________

Eléa
11-16-2005, 12:14 PM
The good thing is he did not tank the match.
_______________I agree, that the only thing which stops me to jump through the window :sad:

justClaudia
11-16-2005, 12:16 PM
Gaston lost 6-3 6-4 :sad: :sad: :sad:


:awww: :sad:

bovenbuuf
11-16-2005, 12:54 PM
sorry to see that he lost his match, but well he still has a change to make it to the sf.

RogiFan88
11-16-2005, 01:34 PM
I'm not happy that Gaston lost to Davydorko today but I haven't seen the match yet. I was hoping he could beat Davy and then could afford to lose to Fena so that he and Fena make the SF... looks like it will be Davy for sure and possibly Mariano.

Eléa
11-16-2005, 01:59 PM
Good news! Gonzo won against Puerta so friday's match will give the second qualifer for the semi :D

Vale
11-16-2005, 02:16 PM
Good news! Gonzo won against Puerta so friday's match will give the second qualifer for the semi :D
For me that's VERY bad news! :devil: If Mariano had won, and assuming he would then probably lose against Davydenko, if Gastón loses on Friday the classification might conceivably be decided by sets won and lost...

Eléa
11-16-2005, 02:22 PM
if Gastón loses on Friday the classification might conceivably be decided by sets won and lost...
Gaston won't lose against Gonzo ;) that's why it's a good news... it's better for the suspense! :lol:
If Gaston will win Gonzo, he's into semi? am i right? i start to doubt about everything in this master cup!

Sommarsverige
11-16-2005, 08:49 PM
I am sure Gaston will win against Gonzo, at least this is my very, very big hope :worship:

Gaston, please make it to the semis!

Florencia
11-17-2005, 12:32 AM
I know that our hero will win next Friday (anyway, I do not want to underestimate Gonzalez, the match will be rather tough).

If he wins, he will be into semis, that´s a fact. But ... Roger will probably be his rival.

Good Luck Gasti! Every effort must be made to win on Friday!

RogiFan88
11-17-2005, 02:46 AM
I'm torn... betw Gaston and Fena but whoever wins, I'll be happy! I wanted both in the SFs but you can't have everything, esp in tennis! ;)

VAMOS, GASTON!

I saw him watching Mariano's match today.

Dirk
11-17-2005, 06:49 AM
I hope Gaudio can make semis.

Action Jackson
11-17-2005, 08:03 AM
Well Davydenko was just too good in this match and this was clear to see. Gaston had more break points than Davydenko, but a combination of the Russian's better play and some average shots from Gaston.

At the same time Gaston didn't help himself, his emotional state wasn't a positive one and the fact he could not consistently adjust where he was standing, it is very difficult to win matches from 4m behind the baseline on a fast carpet court, there were times when he moved up into the court, but it wasn't enough against a quality opponent, have to adjust to the conditions at hand, the tactics he employed weren't bad, the execution was the problem.

Dirk
11-17-2005, 08:05 AM
I think he could beat Gonzo. At least I hope.

sonatinca
11-17-2005, 09:09 AM
Well, I know it will be tough match for our man, but I belive he can do it as well!
He killed two rackets, hope it will be enough sacrifice to tennis gods :lol:
VAMOS GASTÓN!!!!!
:bigclap: :bigclap: :bigclap:

RogiFan88
11-17-2005, 01:28 PM
Kolya was looking almost A-hole-like vs. Gaston -- v confident and his bro being smug w his little smirks.

I am cheering for Nalby vs. Kolya altho it could be to Rogi's detriment [the way Rogi is playing if he beats either Gaston or Fena in the SF].

Vale
11-17-2005, 01:50 PM
Well Davydenko was just too good in this match and this was clear to see. Gaston had more break points than Davydenko, but a combination of the Russian's better play and some average shots from Gaston.

At the same time Gaston didn't help himself, his emotional state wasn't a positive one and the fact he could not consistently adjust where he was standing, it is very difficult to win matches from 4m behind the baseline on a fast carpet court, there were times when he moved up into the court, but it wasn't enough against a quality opponent, have to adjust to the conditions at hand, the tactics he employed weren't bad, the execution was the problem.
It's Gastón's nerves, as usual... :rolleyes: I saw a short interview on ESPN and he said he was nervous. I seem to remember that when that happens he always goes far behind the baseline. Then when there's nothing to lose he loosens up and starts playing as he knows how!
What will prevail tomorrow against González? His nerves or his desire to win?
He's 3-0 against him, but González is playing great, he's improved enormously this year, and he's better than Gastón on this sort of surface.
Vamos Gastón, show your feline claws!!! :worship:

*Ljubica*
11-17-2005, 05:31 PM
Hi guys :wavey: Here is tomorrow's OOP:-

SINGLES GOLD GROUP
not before 19:00 local time

Fernando Gonzalez (CHI) vs Gaston Gaudio (ARG)
followed by
Mariano Puerta (ARG) vs Nikolay Davydenko (RUS)

sigmagirl91
11-17-2005, 05:48 PM
Vamos Gaston.

Action Jackson
11-18-2005, 01:16 AM
It's Gastón's nerves, as usual... :rolleyes: I saw a short interview on ESPN and he said he was nervous. I seem to remember that when that happens he always goes far behind the baseline. Then when there's nothing to lose he loosens up and starts playing as he knows how!
What will prevail tomorrow against González? His nerves or his desire to win?
He's 3-0 against him, but González is playing great, he's improved enormously this year, and he's better than Gastón on this sort of surface.
Vamos Gastón, show your feline claws!!! :worship:

Well from his own personal aspect there is a lot to play for and there was an opportunity for him to make the semis in this match, but he is very fortunate that he has another chance to seal it now, it's up to him as to how he handles it. Every player has nerves before his matches, and that is part of his job as a player to manage this.

It's a comfort thing being that far behind the baseline, he is used to it when he is on clay and he feels secure there and it makes sense that he would go to something he knows when in a tight situation and being on a surface that he already doesn't feel comfortable on and when it gets tight, he retreats.

The thing is, there can't be no what ifs, if he loses, then he deserves it and if he wins, then it's the same thing, just as long as he puts in his best efforts, like he has done against Hrbaty at the AO, that personally was a great moment, even though he lost.

RogiFan88
11-18-2005, 02:06 AM
Vamos, Gaston! You have the hth ad vs. Fena and some good form coming into Shanghai! ;)

sigmagirl91
11-18-2005, 02:07 AM
I hope he pulls it off. Go, Gaston.

Betty
11-18-2005, 10:23 AM
very bad follow the scoreboard :mad: and not watching the match

yomike
11-18-2005, 11:45 AM
Has Gaston lose already I stop watching at 3-3 and I'm so afraid to see the score. Well bye Gaston maybe next year.
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fabolous
11-18-2005, 12:25 PM
he did it. incredible gaston, now he has earned the big match versus federer. good luck!

User id 7816
11-18-2005, 12:36 PM
wow.

How Gaston came back from the dead I dont know. I totally hated his match with Davydenko. But he makes the semis by losing to him and beating Gonzalez, crazy crazy Gaston. :p

hope he has a good match v Federer who isnt fully in gear so I just hope Gaston will try till the end.

sonatinca
11-18-2005, 12:38 PM
It was unbelievable!!! Cant wait to see that match!
Congrats to Gaston and all of us!!!!
WE'RE IN SEMIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

Florencia
11-18-2005, 12:42 PM
We did it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Incredible match !!!!!!!!!!!!!! :worship: :worship: Gasti you are great :yeah: :yeah: :yippee: :yippee:

Corina2605
11-18-2005, 12:45 PM
BIG CONGRATS to Gaston on reaching the Masters SEMIS :-)!!! It was a great match by him. I soooo loved to see his fire today. He wanted to win this match badly and he did it. Well done, great fight :-)!!!!!!!

ja_som1
11-18-2005, 01:13 PM
Let me to congratulate to all the fans of Gaston Gaudio for his reaching of semifinal. So finally two of four Argentinian made it and they are in semifinal. I know I am dreamer but can you imagine final on Masters Cup between Gaudio and Nalbandian?

Sparko1030
11-18-2005, 01:45 PM
Just wanted to pop in an say congrats to Gaston and his fans for his win today. Obvioulsy I was rooting for Fernando but Gaston was my guy to root for before Fernando was called in. Good luck to Gaston against Roger-hope he can kick some butt there lol!

(And there is a constitution for Gaston's forum????? What the heck is that all about??? :shrug: )

Eléa
11-18-2005, 01:55 PM
I'm so so so happy! :bounce: So proud of him :worship:
I didn't see the match yet, I only followed the live scores nerviously, but i will watch it tonight... I'm at work and i can tell you that everybody here knows about Gaston's victory :lol: All my colleagues guessed he won because of my (stupid) open wide smile stuck on my face! :lol:
I'm simply HAPPY! :D

Eléa
11-18-2005, 01:58 PM
Just wanted to pop in an say congrats to Gaston and his fans for his win today. Obvioulsy I was rooting for Fernando but Gaston was my guy to root for before Fernando was called in. Good luck to Gaston against Roger-hope he can kick some butt there lol!

(And there is a constitution for Gaston's forum????? What the heck is that all about??? :shrug: )
:wavey: and thank you :hug: (i'll pm you :rolleyes: )

*Ljubica*
11-18-2005, 02:05 PM
I didn't see the match because I've only just got home - but I got an SMS message with the result whilst I was travelling - and I was like....... :woohoo: Other passengers thought I was crazy I'm sure!!! Anyway - I'm home and I'm tired - but I don't care because I really AM thrilled for Gaston - so much so I even added a bit to my signature!!!!!!! Look forward to watching the highlights on TV tonight!!! VAMOS GASTON :bounce:

hellobeingthere
11-18-2005, 02:06 PM
Hi there, first time there. Gaudio will be in the chat room soon, check it up. http://vipchat.sina.com.cn/vip/new/8/index.html

Choupi
11-18-2005, 02:13 PM
Congrats Gaston. Thanks for bringing some positive note in my day.

Welcome back Rosie. :)

Action Jackson
11-18-2005, 02:47 PM
Hahahahahahaha, what a laugh this match was and Gaston making the semis of the Masters, just a very humourous thought. I am not even sure if I should give a review of a match.

Someone must have injected some of Cañas's resistence skills into him, couldn't do anything in that 1st set as he was blown away by a better player, then he got the combination of defence and aggression just right and was able to come through at the end and played better as Feña couldn't keep up the level as before.

Rosie, don't be too optimistic, this will actually give the morons more ammunition.

RogiFan88
11-18-2005, 03:09 PM
I guess I won't bother going to the scoring thread w all the bashing going on...

But, well done, Gaston! I haven't seen the match yet... of course... but looks like you mean business. I think Rogi better beware of Gaston tomorrow considering how he played vs. the Weasel yesterday, being so generous as to give him a set on carpet [oh well, Coria HAS won Basel and Rogi still hasn't -- funny how the Sud Americanos have won Rogi's tourney: Nalby, Guille and Fena, singles AND doubles!].

If the Weasel One can get a set off Rogi, then I shudder to think what Gaston can do to Rogi... s be muy interesante! Looking forward to it despite our asinine truncated coverage...

I'm happy that Gaston and Nalbers have made the SF. Too bad for Mariano -- hope Nalby can beat Davydorko tomorrow.

RogiFan88
11-18-2005, 03:12 PM
Gaston and Rogi haven't faced each other for some time...

Betty
11-18-2005, 03:13 PM
well done Gato :yeah: and now ROGI......

Action Jackson
11-18-2005, 03:19 PM
Gaston and Rogi haven't faced each other for some time...

Finding a white Bengal Tiger is easier than having a semi-intelligent debate on MTF.

The thing is Gaston I don't think believes he can beat him, he can ask for his autograph after the match, the thing is he has nothing to lose at all, so what happens, happens.

*Ljubica*
11-18-2005, 03:19 PM
Hahahahahahaha, what a laugh this match was and Gaston making the semis of the Masters, just a very humourous thought. I am not even sure if I should give a review of a match.

Someone must have injected some of Cañas's resistence skills into him, couldn't do anything in that 1st set as he was blown away by a better player, then he got the combination of defence and aggression just right and was able to come through at the end and played better as Feña couldn't keep up the level as before.

Rosie, don't be too optimistic, this will actually give the morons more ammunition.

GWH - I am not optimistic at all for tomorrow - I am sure Roger will kill Gaston :sad: - and don't worry - the signature was never meant to be permanent - it will probably be gone before the matches tomorrow, and most of the haters are too stupid to remember what was said or done more than 5 minutes ago :devil: - I just wanted to make a point!!!!!

And I know I've said this before - but I LIKE Davydenko :sad: It's cruel callng him "davydorko" :sad: - he is so sweet and inoffensive,

Action Jackson
11-18-2005, 03:22 PM
GWH - I am not optimistic at all for tomorrow - I am sure Roger will kill Gaston :sad: - and don't worry - the signature was never meant to be permanent - it will probably be gone before the matches tomorrow, and most of the haters are too stupid to remember what was said or done more than 5 minutes ago :devil: - I just wanted to make a point!!!!!

And I know I've said this before - nut I LIKE Davydenko :sad: It's cruel callng him "davydorko" :sad: - he is so sweet and inoffensive,

I mean I prefer to call him the PMK, it's a lot easier this way.

I meant being optimistic about the general populace, there are enough questions here and I will address those in the off season. Even then if Gaston wins, there will be stupid excuses flying around.

*Ljubica*
11-18-2005, 03:25 PM
I mean I prefer to call him the PMK, it's a lot easier this way.

I meant being optimistic about the general populace, there are enough questions here and I will address those in the off season. Even then if Gaston wins, there will be stupid excuses flying around.

MTF breeds stupidity - so of course there will be stupid excuses - and you know I love :inlove: the musicians. Btw - sent you a very quick PM!

Eugenia
11-18-2005, 04:00 PM
Gastón :hearts: What a match!!! :eek: I love the way Gastón fought back and the way he celebrated when he won!!! :worship: I'm really happy for him!!! :banana: Congratulations Gastón!!! :bigclap:

Action Jackson
11-18-2005, 04:00 PM
I hope Gaudio can make semis.

You got your wish.

Eiffel
11-18-2005, 04:06 PM
I didn't except GG have such big supporters in Shanghai, but it happend even GG played terrible tennis.
GG enjoy that very much, and wanna drive the crowd to cheering for him in the semifinal. :devil:

LOVELY
11-18-2005, 05:05 PM
:bounce: :bounce: We're in semis :dance: :dance: Congrats Gaston!!!you deserve it!!!!

Dirk
11-18-2005, 05:10 PM
I am happy for Gaudio. :)

sigmagirl91
11-18-2005, 05:35 PM
Turns out Gaudio upgraded from bottom-feeder status. Congratties, G-man.

Vale
11-18-2005, 05:43 PM
Hi, guys, THIS IS SO GREAT!!! :banana: :banana: :banana:
I left home after seeing Gastón being demolished in the first set, and when I arrived at work I found he was 5-5!!! :eek:
I followed the match in Eurosport's live descriptions and I COULDN'T BELIEVE he was making such a comeback! :worship: This evening I will see it taped with the peace of mind of knowing we won! :D

When asked later what was the best about his game, he said "The attitude", and I couldn't agree more. To lose miserably in the first set and most of the second and to claw his way up, frighten off his opponent and win the match! :bigclap: :bigclap: :hatoff:

I've been working since then and haven't had the time to translate the amount :rolleyes: of articles that have appeared. Sorry...

Sommarsverige
11-18-2005, 07:36 PM
I am late, but CONGRATS GASTON :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :yeah:

I am so so happy about it and even if this whole tourney is a joke, it is a great success anyway :) And anyone will ask later how he reached the semis, but it will be only important that he did ;)

I am sceptical Gaston will have a chance against Roger, but I so much hope it :worship:

Vamos Gaston :yeah:

At which time (CET) will the match be???

sigmagirl91
11-18-2005, 08:05 PM
I think all singles matches begin at 7pm CET, 6am here, and noon where you are.

*Ljubica*
11-18-2005, 08:23 PM
Yes - it's 12.00 CET and 11.00am in England - quite a civilised time for a weekend :)

sigmagirl91
11-18-2005, 08:26 PM
For you, yeah.....for me? I can get up at a ghastly hour, I guess, so I can see Gaston and Roger, then the other match. After that, it's beddy bye again.

*Ljubica*
11-18-2005, 08:30 PM
For you, yeah.....for me? I can get up at a ghastly hour, I guess, so I can see Gaston and Roger, then the other match. After that, it's beddy bye again.


Well it might be beddy byes afterwards for me too ;) I'll have to unpack and do the laundry tomorrow morning (I was too tired to do it tonight plus I wanted to watch Gaston's match against Gonzo on the highlights show!) - so will be busy tomorrow morning.

RogiFan88
11-18-2005, 10:50 PM
Again, I love them both [and as a RogiFan, I will cheer for him to win but if Gaston wins, I will be happy for him cos he deserves to be in Shanghai w his great year AND he always troubles Rogi on any surface].

May we have a good match and may the better man win. ;)

I'm chuffed Gasti's in the SF!!!! YAY!! Same w Nalbers.

RogiFan88
11-18-2005, 10:54 PM
Finding a white Bengal Tiger is easier than having a semi-intelligent debate on MTF.

The thing is Gaston I don't think believes he can beat him, he can ask for his autograph after the match, the thing is he has nothing to lose at all, so what happens, happens.

...ah, well, that is the thing -- does Gaston believe he can beat Rogi on carpet? why not? all will be revealed tomorrow! ;)

sigmagirl91
11-18-2005, 11:26 PM
I hope Gaston gives it his best.

Florencia
11-18-2005, 11:32 PM
"Lo mejor que tuve hoy fue la actitud, mañana voy a tener que jugar, además, el mejor tenis"
— Gastón Gaudio

"The best I had today was the attitude, tomorrow I will have to play the best tennis besides" - Gastón Gaudio

Good Luck Gasti !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :worship: ;) :woohoo:

chewy
11-19-2005, 01:15 AM
another late congrats to gaston, his fight in 2nd n 3rd set made d match very exciting!

<Blue>
11-19-2005, 01:21 AM
Great victory!!!! my hands were shaking while Gonzalez´s matchballs.
Congrats and good luck against Fed-Ex Gaudio!!!

aiwen_mei
11-19-2005, 04:50 AM
Can I ask for more, for GAston to reach the Final ?

As soon as I arrived home last night, I turned on the TV and saw Gonzales leading 6-1, 4-3. Ohh, pleazzzzzzzzz, Lord, Mother Mary I would love very much to see Gaston playing against Roger in the semis.

Big congrats to Gaston. You are great :worship: , and very happy to see the crowd cheering for him.

sonatinca
11-19-2005, 05:58 AM
Well, no matter who will win today, I'm so happy for Gastón and for all of us, cos we can enjoy his beautifull tennis one more time ;) I just wish to Gastón to have fun today, to enjoy being semifinalist! Good luck, El Gato!!!!
And I'm also very excited cos I'm leaving now to my friend to watch Gastón's match live :bounce:

Choupi
11-19-2005, 08:18 AM
Finally been able to see part of the match against Gonzo. Great job from Gaston. For all those who are gonna be able to watch the semi live, enjoy it.

sigmagirl91
11-19-2005, 08:56 AM
Gaston is up in one hour.

Jill
11-19-2005, 09:12 AM
Fantastic come back. I went to bed and assumed he would lose being down a break. Woke up this morning and a reply on TV and he won. Contrats Gaston. :yeah:

I just hope he can fight hard against Roger tonight.

Good luck. I want to see a Gaudio & Nalby final. Wouldn't that shock everyone??!!

fabolous
11-19-2005, 11:42 AM
uh-oh poor gaston...........the haters will crush him now.........

User id 7816
11-19-2005, 11:43 AM
That Federer even playing on one leg can smash Gaston (or almost anyone) easily on this surface is clear to all...but Gaston you're playing in Master's Cup and this is some huge CRAP to end the year...despite the good plays before..and I think anyone who loves Gaston would feel like this. Ok, well see ya'll next year maybe.

Eiffel
11-19-2005, 12:22 PM
I can't hold on that :bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry:

two Rogifans behind me always said that Gato have bad personality so as to play bad tennis today... I was :mad: with it and argued with them base on the record 6-0,6-0 of Roger...

It's totaly a bad day for me. :sad:

fini
11-19-2005, 12:26 PM
The score is surprising,you should have fought as you could.Anyway,hope you'll come to Shanghai next year.

Florencia
11-19-2005, 12:42 PM
It´s strange how Gastón can generate so opposite emotions within such a short period of time. Yesterday I was extremely happy for him and so proud of his courage. Today, I am incredibly sad due to his attitude towards the match. :sad: He surrendered before the match started. I know that it was almost impossible to win, but at least I expected him to fight and to do his best :crying2: It was really disappointing for anyone who loves and supports him.

*Ljubica*
11-19-2005, 01:25 PM
Hey guys - don't be so hard on Gaston! I watched the match on TV and he really fought and tried hard - it's just that at the end of the day Roger was too good for him - he is too good for nearly everybody these days so it's no shame to lose to him - especially on a court that favours his game more than Gaston's. Yes, it's true that Gaston was very tight and nervous (who wouldn't be?), and he came out thinking Roger would win - but despite the scoreline I am still proud of him for getting this far in the Masters' Cup. Enjoy your off-season break Gaston, and come back strong and rested in 2006.

sigmagirl91
11-19-2005, 01:26 PM
Good luck. I want to see a Gaudio & Nalby final. Wouldn't that shock everyone??!!

Well.....it's going to be Roger and Nabs.

Betty
11-19-2005, 01:49 PM
no words!!!!GASTY!!!!!:mad:
there were ppl who pay for see a match!!!!!what a blame!!!!
i can understan emotion, Federer play..... but exist the respect for public, for fans for himself, for his job!!!!
i didn't wait that Gaston would won, but who hi 'd played!!!!

Florencia
11-19-2005, 02:06 PM
Hey guys - don't be so hard on Gaston! I watched the match on TV and he really fought and tried hard - it's just that at the end of the day Roger was too good for him - he is too good for nearly everybody these days so it's no shame to lose to him - especially on a court that favours his game more than Gaston's. Yes, it's true that Gaston was very tight and nervous (who wouldn't be?), and he came out thinking Roger would win - but despite the scoreline I am still proud of him for getting this far in the Masters' Cup. Enjoy your off-season break Gaston, and come back strong and rested in 2006.
Gastón is an extraordinary player. He is much better than what he showed today. I am not saying that he should have defeated the number one player in the world on that disfavourable surface, but I expected a performance in accordance with his talent.
Anyway, I adore him and I am proud of all his achievements during the year.

Denisse
11-19-2005, 02:06 PM
Hey guys - don't be so hard on Gaston! I watched the match on TV and he really fought and tried hard - it's just that at the end of the day Roger was too good for him - he is too good for nearly everybody these days so it's no shame to lose to him - especially on a court that favours his game more than Gaston's. Yes, it's true that Gaston was very tight and nervous (who wouldn't be?), and he came out thinking Roger would win - but despite the scoreline I am still proud of him for getting this far in the Masters' Cup. Enjoy your off-season break Gaston, and come back strong and rested in 2006.

:yeah:

Sommarsverige
11-19-2005, 02:16 PM
Gaston :sad:

But I wish him a relaxing off season now :)

*Ljubica*
11-19-2005, 02:35 PM
ReturnWinner posted this in GM................it is what Gaston said after the match:-

"No excuses," said Gaudio. "That was maybe the worst match I've played. I want to apologise to the crowd because I couldn't do anything."

"I was playing against a guy who is the best in history in a surface where he is so much better than me," said Gaudio, winner of five clay titles this season. "There's not much to say.

"Sometimes, once in a life it (0-0) happens, and it happens to me today. I'm sad about it, I'm so disappointed. But what can I do? There are things a little bit worse than this sometimes in life."

ReturnWinner
11-19-2005, 02:46 PM
uh????????? are u sure u did watch the right match¡?
gaston did not even try to play, he was nervous and tense and negative without energy
u can be supportive but do not say bullshit and please try to be objective


Hey guys - don't be so hard on Gaston! I watched the match on TV and he really fought and tried hard - it's just that at the end of the day Roger was too good for him - he is too good for nearly everybody these days so it's no shame to lose to him - especially on a court that favours his game more than Gaston's. Yes, it's true that Gaston was very tight and nervous (who wouldn't be?), and he came out thinking Roger would win - but despite the scoreline I am still proud of him for getting this far in the Masters' Cup. Enjoy your off-season break Gaston, and come back strong and rested in 2006.

bluegueber
11-19-2005, 03:04 PM
uh????????? are u sure u did watch the right match¡?
gaston did not even try to play, he was nervous and tense and negative without energy
u can be supportive but do not say bullshit and please try to be objective
I agree. :yeah:

Eléa
11-19-2005, 03:09 PM
I didn't want to say anything about the match first but... :rolleyes:
gaston did not even try to play, he was nervous and tense and negative without energy
I agree with that BUT..
Gaston seemed enough sad and sorry about the match (and so am i) he doesn't need that his fans blame him and be cruel with him.
I saw the match and i think i'm able to understand what happened to him. I'm sad for him but i'm still proud of what he did in the TMC and of his season of course.

Enjoy your holidays Gaston and see you soon in 2006 :wavey:

*Ljubica*
11-19-2005, 03:29 PM
I didn't want to say anything about the match first but... :rolleyes:

I agree with that BUT..
Gaston seemed enough sad and sorry about the match (and so am i) he doesn't need that his fans blame him and be cruel with him.
I saw the match and i think i'm able to understand what happened to him. I'm sad for him but i'm still proud of what he did in the TMC and of his season of course.

Enjoy your holidays Gaston and see you soon in 2006 :wavey:

I agree with you Eléa - anyone can support a player when he is winning - but these guys need their fans' support MORE when they are going through a bad time. I wonder how many of the people who are attacking Gaston could achieve half as much as he has in their lifetimes? OK - yes - he had a "bad day at the office" today - but all of us have those - (I do all the time!) - but the difference is that none of us have to suffer the humiliation of our bad days and mistakes being played out in public for millions to watch, laugh at and criticise. Take care Gaston sweetie :hug:

bluegueber
11-19-2005, 04:29 PM
I agree with you Eléa - anyone can support a player when he is winning - but these guys need their fans' support MORE when they are going through a bad time. I wonder how many of the people who are attacking Gaston could achieve half as much as he has in their lifetimes? OK - yes - he had a "bad day at the office" today - but all of us have those - (I do all the time!) - but the difference is that none of us have to suffer the humiliation of our bad days and mistakes being played out in public for millions to watch, laugh at and criticise. Take care Gaston sweetie :hug:

Telling the truth does not mean attacking or being cruel, and being a fan does not imply being blind.
If you really care about him, you must want him to improve and to learn from his mistakes. If his circle told him that today he "really fought and tried hard" as you did, that would ruin his career because he will never be able to overcome his difficulties.

sigmagirl91
11-19-2005, 05:16 PM
Are they supposed to say, "Gaston, you stank the place up" or "Gaston, you played like the shit that makes up shit?"

Betty
11-19-2005, 06:34 PM
anyone can support a player when he is winning - but these guys need their fans' support MORE when they are going through a bad time. I wonder how many of the people who are attacking Gaston could achieve half as much as he has in their lifetimes? OK - yes - he had a "bad day at the office" today - but all of us have those - (I do all the time!) - but the difference is that none of us have to suffer the humiliation of our bad days and mistakes being played out in public for millions to watch, laugh at and criticise. Take care Gaston sweetie :hug:

Rose, sorry, but, if i 'm a fan i can say my opinion, and , if he played bad also when he won i said it.
if one player doesn't wont that the ppl know his "mistake" he change his job.
the players know that they are "V.I.P. " and the consequence :rolleyes: I don't say that it's right :rolleyes: but it's so
hope that now he relax himself and hope to see him again on MS next near :)

Betty
11-19-2005, 06:46 PM
again, if i do a mistake i can lost my job, Gaston take, howev,er the money :haha:
(I'm joking :p )

*Ljubica*
11-19-2005, 07:48 PM
Telling the truth does not mean attacking or being cruel, and being a fan does not imply being blind.
If you really care about him, you must want him to improve and to learn from his mistakes. If his circle told him that today he "really fought and tried hard" as you did, that would ruin his career because he will never be able to overcome his difficulties.

I am sure Franco will have been very supportive to Gaston tonight and told him that he did his best - the night after a defeat like that is NOT the right time to criticise. Of course in time they will sit down together, talk over the match (maybe watch it on video), and see where the problems are and how to work to improve them - but tonight Gaston will be raw and hurting - and he will need support from his coach and inner circle - not criticism.

LOVELY
11-19-2005, 10:36 PM
- anyone can support a player when he is winning - but these guys need their fans' support MORE when they are going through a bad time. I wonder how many of the people who are attacking Gaston could achieve half as much as he has in their lifetimes? OK - yes - he had a "bad day at the office" today - but all of us have those - (I do all the time!) - but the difference is that none of us have to suffer the humiliation of our bad days and mistakes being played out in public for millions to watch, laugh at and criticise. Take care Gaston sweetie :hug:
:hug: I totally agree with you Rosie and Eléa :worship:
Take care Gaston; enjoy your vacations and see you next year :wavey:

RogiFan88
11-19-2005, 10:42 PM
I feel so badly for Gaston today... how humiliating for him, pobrecito but he has to be proud that he made the SFs. He did well and I'm proud of him. He exceeded George's expectations, so that's cool!

Have a nice vacation, rest up and can't wait to see you next year, sweetie!! ;)

Eugenia
11-20-2005, 12:29 AM
Poor Gastón... :sad: Anyway, I always try to see the positive side, and Gastón made the TMC, and then he won two matches and qualified for the SF! I think that's a great achievement for any player, and he should be proud of it. Sure, he has to improve his game and try to keep focus during the whole match! :yeah: But Gastón is Gastón, and I just love him the way he is! :worship:
I can't wait to see him next year! :bounce: Happy holidays Gastón! :D

RogiFan88
11-20-2005, 01:18 AM
Interesting what Rogi said in his interview:

Q. You mentioned the word
"embarrassment" there. Detaching yourself
from the match, which is hard to do, but from
Gaston's point of view, do you think he
should feel a bit embarrassed with himself,
given the status of the tournament and the
stage, the semifinal?

ROGER FEDERER: I think more
disappointment than embarrassment. I mean, as
long as you try and lose 0-0, there's no problem
with it. I think that's what happened today. I
mean, he almost won a few games, and it could
have turned around, the match, if he gets his
claws into the match. But I guess I never really
allowed him to do that.
I still think he should leave this
tournament, you know, feel going about himself,
the first semifinal appearance for him, solid year.
Shouldn't be miserable now for a month - I
wouldn't be.

...

Q. A friend of mine is worried
because you and Gaston are friends, you give
a friend such worst experience on court. Did
you think about the friendship?

ROGER FEDERER: No, we won't have
any problems shaking each other's hands in the
future. I mean, when I shook hands with him, I
definitely saw a big disappointment from his side.
Especially after yesterday's great fight, coming
back, Gaston to get this sort of treatment today,
that's no fun for nobody. Yeah, I don't think we'll
have no problem. We'll probably smile next time
we'll see each other.
;)

RogiFan88
11-20-2005, 01:28 AM
Funny how they call the double bagel [sorry to bring that up again] "bicicleta". ;)

Jill
11-20-2005, 03:23 AM
So he lost, big deal. Everyone else has lost to Federer this year, except 3 people.

It's tough that the scoreline was harsh but he must be proud that he made it to the semis.

Have a nice break and look forward to seeing you "live" at the Hopman Cup in 2006. :wavey:

Action Jackson
11-20-2005, 03:42 AM
This is just a generic response, so people can take what they from this post and think whatever.

Yes, Gaston lost 6-0 6-0 it happens in professional tennis, if someone in here seriously thinks he didn't try, then please go and get an eye test and soon.

Well, he didn't go on court expecting to win and as for being nervous well that's understandable considering the stage and serving that many double faults in the first game set the standard for the match. He didn't go out there and not care about this match. Federer was simply too good and Gaston was thrashed, if he gave up, then it would have been more of an issue.

Sure he is playing on a surface that he isn't comfortable on, that's not the point, he knows himself that this was his best chance and probably his last to make a semi final of the Masters and putting in a result like that, is worse for him than for anyone who follows tennis.

The season is over now for him and sure that is not a good end to it, but how is this important? It's only a tennis match, nothing more and nothing less, it is not going to change the world this result, good to see Federer has some perspective, which is a commodity that is always in short supply.

Then again I was singing "Always Look on the Bright Side of Life" straight after the match, says more about myself than anything else.

sigmagirl91
11-20-2005, 03:43 AM
Gaston will be OK; this we know. You had a good season, Gaston. Rest up, and we'll see more great tennis from you in 2006.

michelleg
11-20-2005, 04:02 AM
My only thought is that Gaston had a good 2005 and is addressing his head issues.

That's a hell of a lot more than some posters at MTF can claim!

sigmagirl91
11-20-2005, 06:24 AM
You're right. This place has seen a huge infiltration of the troll population.

bluegueber
11-20-2005, 12:53 PM
This is just a generic response, so people can take what they from this post and think whatever.

Yes, Gaston lost 6-0 6-0 it happens in professional tennis, if someone in here seriously thinks he didn't try, then please go and get an eye test and soon.

Well, he didn't go on court expecting to win and as for being nervous well that's understandable considering the stage and serving that many double faults in the first game set the standard for the match. He didn't go out there and not care about this match. Federer was simply too good and Gaston was thrashed, if he gave up, then it would have been more of an issue.

Sure he is playing on a surface that he isn't comfortable on, that's not the point, he knows himself that this was his best chance and probably his last to make a semi final of the Masters and putting in a result like that, is worse for him than for anyone who follows tennis.

The season is over now for him and sure that is not a good end to it, but how is this important? It's only a tennis match, nothing more and nothing less, it is not going to change the world this result, good to see Federer has some perspective, which is a commodity that is always in short supply.

Then again I was singing "Always Look on the Bright Side of Life" straight after the match, says more about myself than anything else.
Do you really think he tried? You are underestimating him then, or you are too subjective.
David is playing right now and he is the one who is trying hard. You can clearly see the difference.
Gaston said that it was equal for him losing 6-0 than 6-2, therefore he wanted to go home as soon as possible. Shall we call that "attitude"?
He is a professional player, we cannot say admit a bad performance because he was "nervous". I am sure that David is also nervous, but he is playing his best tennis. Sorry, it is my opinion.

Betty
11-20-2005, 01:04 PM
. Sorry, it is my opinion.

not all acept that :sad:

Corina2605
11-20-2005, 02:03 PM
I just wanted to congratulate Gaston on his great season. The year after the breakthrough is never easy, but Gaston did really well :)

I hope he enjoys his holiday now and has a good preparation for 2006 :)

Florencia
11-20-2005, 02:51 PM
Wow !!!!!!!!!!!!
Vamos David !!!!!!! :hatoff: Well Done !!!!!!!!! :worship: Great match !!!!!!!! :clap2:
And, of course -as always- Vamos Gasti !!!!!!!!! :hug:

LOVELY
11-20-2005, 08:27 PM
Bluegueber why did you bad rep me??? :shrug: What have I done ? :confused:

Vale
11-20-2005, 09:53 PM
Hi guys!
I echo everything you´ve said here, George, you put it much better than I could have. Also Rosie (welcome home, btw!) Choupi and Eléa, you all have your heads and your hearts in the right place. :worship:

I didn´t even enter the forum yesterday, I was too upset about Gastón and how he would be taking it. :sad: Luckily he seems to accept that it isn´t the end of the world, and David´s great triumph will help to take the pressure off him, now that the media have a better story to focus on!

As you know by now, I´m a student of the Gaudio mentality – rather difficult because I don´t know him personally, so I can only go by the clues he gives us.

I´m convinced his principal impediment is “nerves”, nothing like the common nerves that assail others, but real stage-fright (the “trac”, as it´s called in French and Spanish). This is a calamity for a high-competition sportsman, but because he plays fantastic tennis, he still became a pro and makes do as well as he can in spite of that burden. So when he wins it´s a true victory of the spirit over his demons!

Nowadays, with his greater confidence on clay since RG, he feels pretty good when playing the lesser tournaments, but his fear of humiliation returns when he´s competing for a big prize, and he freezes up. This can be conquered when he gets in a few good points, which is quite likely in clay events.

But when he´s on a surface where he feels unsure of himself, he starts up really badly :( (see the first sets in Shanghai), and only seems to shake off the fear when he has nothing to lose. If there´s still time, and the other player gets nervous, he can claw his way up and win the match. If it´s too late (vs. Davydenko) or his opponent won´t cooperate by getting worried (Federer) he´s had it.

Against Fed we saw an extreme example of how his nerves act as a destabilising agent, it´s almost like playing injured. The easy way out would have been to simulate an injury, but he had the fortitude to see it through to the end, captive on that court with thousands watching (millions if you count the TV), feeling like he wanted to disappear and then wake up to find it was only a nightmare. For somebody with Gastón´s artistic, sensitive nature, what he went through yesterday took courage.

Luckily, he seems to be developing a thicker skin and I believe he will be able to put all this into perspective. Summing-up his year, he will value his five titles, (even the 50 points he had to resign), his Top Ten status, his semifinals in the Masters Cup, his improved game on hard, his better serves (not yesterday!) and forehand, and can look forward to a good 2006 :worship: . With the usual mixture of great and disastrous tennis.

bluegueber
11-20-2005, 10:22 PM
Vale: do you mean that the people who do not think like you do, do not have their heads and hearts in the right place? Are you so narrow-minded?

Lovely: I have not intended to do that, it was an involuntary error. Please bad rep me back.

Vale
11-20-2005, 10:39 PM
Vale: do you mean that the people who do not think like you do, do not have their heads and hearts in the right place? Are you so narrow-minded?
I didn´t expect you to take offense! I just disagree with what I feel is a rather superficial interpretation.
I think the people I mentioned, and quite a few others in this forum, tried to understand what was happening and also showed affection for Gastón.
But it´s no big deal, let´s not have an argument! :)

Vale
11-20-2005, 10:42 PM
Statistics worth remembering:

When Federer beat Hewitt in the 2004 US Open, he won his two sets
6-0!

sigmagirl91
11-21-2005, 01:50 AM
Oh gawd!!! Gaston had a great Masters' tournament, for crying out loud. Yes, he lost. In the end, the scoreline is not going to matter as much as the fact that he got this far, contrary to all expectations. Great things are in store for Gaston in 06, and we'll all be here when it unfolds.

jole
11-21-2005, 03:57 AM
Do you really think he tried? You are underestimating him then, or you are too subjective.
David is playing right now and he is the one who is trying hard. You can clearly see the difference.
Gaston said that it was equal for him losing 6-0 than 6-2, therefore he wanted to go home as soon as possible. Shall we call that "attitude"?
He is a professional player, we cannot say admit a bad performance because he was "nervous". I am sure that David is also nervous, but he is playing his best tennis. Sorry, it is my opinion.

Are you watching the same match we were watching?

Gaston was hitting the ball quite well off the ground, it's just his serve that betrayed him.....big time. There is no excuse for this bad serving, but it did not happen because he didn't care. Shit happens, and he has plenty of things to work on like all players.

It was evident that he was trying to step into the court, drive the ball, and take the ball much more early the he is comfortable doing. All of this because he was playing on a fast court, and against Roger Federer. He had some nice points, but it was far from enough, there is no doubt about this. None of this was showing that he did not care, however.

Action Jackson
11-21-2005, 04:42 AM
Do you really think he tried? You are underestimating him then, or you are too subjective.
David is playing right now and he is the one who is trying hard. You can clearly see the difference.
Gaston said that it was equal for him losing 6-0 than 6-2, therefore he wanted to go home as soon as possible. Shall we call that "attitude"?
He is a professional player, we cannot say admit a bad performance because he was "nervous". I am sure that David is also nervous, but he is playing his best tennis. Sorry, it is my opinion.

If you want a serious answer here it is.

You are kidding with me or don't know me very well at all to say I am too subjective. I am a lot of things, but not I am so subjective as not to able to comment effectively on something and yes I do criticise people I like, when it's deserved.

I am going to explain this in point form for you.

- Did I say he played well? No, he didn't. Believe me it's not just since this year I have watched Gaudio play tennis and have seen him not try in matches before. If you want a clear and obvious example of when he has not done his best the 2nd set of the Berdych match in Paris just a few weeks ago. The 3rd round US Open match with Gambill, when he was consistently serve/volleying, that was an example of a questionable effort.

- Onto nerves: Every player has them and they have to find the best way for them to manage their nerves on that particular day, some days it works out and other days it doesn't. It's called the facts of life that these happen, and it happens in every field. Gaston couldn't manage them and it effected his play, it wasn't solely down to this, but serving all those faults in the 1st game, not a good point, effecting his footwork, where he couldn't hit the ball as well as he could have, he didn't manage the situation.

What point and relevance does Nalbandian have in this thread, it doesn't. It's about Gaston's performance in this match.

- Gaston played a poor match, but to say he didn't try to play well in this match is garbage, when I have seen so many qualities performances where he didn't do his best.

No pro wants to lose 6-0 6-0, Hewitt lost 2 sets 6-0 6-0 to Federer at the US Open, he was definitely trying to win this match. Corretja when # 3 in the world lost 2 sets 6-0 6-0 to Hewitt, yes, he was trying his heart out.

Well when a player is trying and they can't do anything on the court, why wouldn't they want to get off the court as soon as possible? It's a horrible experience when they are trying their best on that day to win and they make errors and can't win a game and look hopeless, it's called embarrassment and think about the level of this match, and feeling helpless then it makes sense that they want to get away from the scene as soon as possible, this does not mean that they are not trying to rectify the situation, though it's not always going to be successful.

Debate is fun, bring it on.

aiwen_mei
11-21-2005, 05:01 AM
What I cared most after the semifinals match was Gaston himself, and after reading his words during the interview, I adore him more. :hearts:

Hopefully Gaston will have a nice long holidays and be well-prepared for the next year 2006.

Million thanks to GG for all of his excellent & poor performances throughout the year 2005 :worship:.

*Ljubica*
11-21-2005, 05:19 AM
If you want a serious answer here it is.

You are kidding with me or don't know me very well at all to say I am too subjective. I am a lot of things, but not I am so subjective as not to able to comment effectively on something and yes I do criticise people I like, when it's deserved.

I am going to explain this in point form for you.

- Did I say he played well? No, he didn't. Believe me it's not just since this year I have watched Gaudio play tennis and have seen him not try in matches before. If you want a clear and obvious example of when he has not done his best the 2nd set of the Berdych match in Paris just a few weeks ago. The 3rd round US Open match with Gambill, when he was consistently serve/volleying, that was an example of a questionable effort.

- Onto nerves: Every player has them and they have to find the best way for them to manage their nerves on that particular day, some days it works out and other days it doesn't. It's called the facts of life that these happen, and it happens in every field. Gaston couldn't manage them and it effected his play, it wasn't solely down to this, but serving all those faults in the 1st game, not a good point, effecting his footwork, where he couldn't hit the ball as well as he could have, he didn't manage the situation.

What point and relevance does Nalbandian have in this thread, it doesn't. It's about Gaston's performance in this match.

- Gaston played a poor match, but to say he didn't try to play well in this match is garbage, when I have seen so many qualities performances where he didn't do his best.

No pro wants to lose 6-0 6-0, Hewitt lost 2 sets 6-0 6-0 to Federer at the US Open, he was definitely trying to win this match. Corretja when # 3 in the world lost 2 sets 6-0 6-0 to Hewitt, yes, he was trying his heart out.

Well when a player is trying and they can't do anything on the court, why wouldn't they want to get off the court as soon as possible? It's a horrible experience when they are trying their best on that day to win and they make errors and can't win a game and look hopeless, it's called embarrassment and think about the level of this match, and feeling helpless then it makes sense that they want to get away from the scene as soon as possible, this does not mean that they are not trying to rectify the situation, though it's not always going to be successful.

Debate is fun, bring it on.

I am not going to debate because I agree with you 100% GWH :worship:What a brilliant post!

Eléa
11-21-2005, 08:31 AM
I feel the same as Rosie, so, sorry, i won't debate either. I finally feel understood.
Thank you for this post Georges, it had comforted me a lot, even if it wasn't the aim first ;)

Vale
11-21-2005, 11:47 AM
If you want a serious answer here it is.

You are kidding with me or don't know me very well at all to say I am too subjective. I am a lot of things, but not I am so subjective as not to able to comment effectively on something and yes I do criticise people I like, when it's deserved.

I am going to explain this in point form for you.

- Did I say he played well? No, he didn't. Believe me it's not just since this year I have watched Gaudio play tennis and have seen him not try in matches before. If you want a clear and obvious example of when he has not done his best the 2nd set of the Berdych match in Paris just a few weeks ago. The 3rd round US Open match with Gambill, when he was consistently serve/volleying, that was an example of a questionable effort.

- Onto nerves: Every player has them and they have to find the best way for them to manage their nerves on that particular day, some days it works out and other days it doesn't. It's called the facts of life that these happen, and it happens in every field. Gaston couldn't manage them and it effected his play, it wasn't solely down to this, but serving all those faults in the 1st game, not a good point, effecting his footwork, where he couldn't hit the ball as well as he could have, he didn't manage the situation.

What point and relevance does Nalbandian have in this thread, it doesn't. It's about Gaston's performance in this match.

- Gaston played a poor match, but to say he didn't try to play well in this match is garbage, when I have seen so many qualities performances where he didn't do his best.

No pro wants to lose 6-0 6-0, Hewitt lost 2 sets 6-0 6-0 to Federer at the US Open, he was definitely trying to win this match. Corretja when # 3 in the world lost 2 sets 6-0 6-0 to Hewitt, yes, he was trying his heart out.

Well when a player is trying and they can't do anything on the court, why wouldn't they want to get off the court as soon as possible? It's a horrible experience when they are trying their best on that day to win and they make errors and can't win a game and look hopeless, it's called embarrassment and think about the level of this match, and feeling helpless then it makes sense that they want to get away from the scene as soon as possible, this does not mean that they are not trying to rectify the situation, though it's not always going to be successful.

Debate is fun, bring it on.
There's nothing to debate, you're completely right. :worship: Thank you George!

clin
11-21-2005, 02:11 PM
Hello Everyone. I would really like someone who knows Gaston to pass the best of the posts here on to him. I watched all the singles matches in Shanghai. Yes, Gaston didn't play his best against Roger. Both Gaston and Davydenko had to play the day before and both were decidedly flatter than Roger and David -- who had a day's rest -- in the semis. So Davydenko also got blanked in his first set. And Gaston was coming off the emotional high of coming back from the brink of defeat against Gonzo; AND having to do the round of interviews afterwards; AND having to go back to sign autographs at the Wilson booth. So being back on court less than 24 hours later must surely have been tough.

In any case, remember what Andre said at the US Open before playing Roger:

ANDRE AGASSI: Well, the challenge is real simple, you know. Most people have weaknesses and most people only have one great shot. I mean, Federer doesn't have weaknesses and has a few great shots. So that equates to a problem (laughter). I mean, I could lie, I could say something else, but...But he's earned that respect. That means you go out in the match and you address it with urgency and you have to play well, you know. He's not the first guy to make you feel that way, but he's certainly the guy that's doing it better than anybody now.

Q. Do you know what it takes to beat him? Is it a matter of executing it? Or are you still looking for answers?>

ANDRE AGASSI: You hit it in that corner and that corner and that corner and that corner over and over again, and you beat him. But you got to do it.

I mean, listen, there's no weakness to speak of, but it is ‑‑ sports is a function of executing, you know. The guy plays great defense, plays great offense. He has a great hold game and he has a great break game. You play a bad match against Pete, you lose 6‑4, 7‑5. You play a good match against Pete, you lose 6‑4, 7‑5. You play a good match against Federer, you lose 6‑4, 7‑5. You play a bad match against Federer, you lose 1 and 1."

Well 1 and 1 is not so different from love and love. Gaston was not really going for the corners in his match, playing it safe; and Roger jumped all over his shots. And as someone pointed out, Roger had the two love sets agaist Hewitt at the Open last year.

And another thing, I watched Gaston practice before his match against Roger at about 6 pm (match was at 7 pm). He was hitting with Franco. The terrible thing was the big stadium screen was showing the DVD from last year's Masters and he was clearly watching the screen during practice and particularly the part where they talk about how he didn't win a match and lost to Federer in Houston. Yikes. Not exactly the right thing to watch just before you have to play Federer again.

So he shouldn't feel too bad. The fans in the stadium wanted him to do well, and he was clearly popular with the crowds. They cheered him on in the Gonzo match and just wanted him to do well against Federer. He should have felt no pressure as there were no expectations. He should have had fun out there and played looser. Too bad he didn't. But he doesn't need to apologize.

So I hope someone passes this on to him. Many thanks.

Vale
11-21-2005, 02:31 PM
Thanks Clin! :D There have been quite a few very good posts here, and yours is one of them! :clap2:
I might be able to forward them to Gastón in a roundabout way, but I wonder if it's a good idea...? I mean, he's going to try to enjoy himself with those close to him and put all this behind him, and really feel he's on holiday from tennis. Any opinions out there?

clin
11-21-2005, 02:59 PM
Thanks Clin! :D There have been quite a few very good posts here, and yours is one of them! :clap2:
I might be able to forward them to Gastón in a roundabout way, but I wonder if it's a good idea...? I mean, he's going to try to enjoy himself with those close to him and put all this behind him, and really feel he's on holiday from tennis. Any opinions out there?

Hi Vale, thank you. You are probably right that we don't need to remind him of the ordeal again and he deserves rest and a great holiday. The whole Shanghai tournament was incredibly tiring, even for the fans because the stadium was an hour away from the city and travelling there every day was not easy. Anyway, I just now got caught up with Gaston's post-match interviews, and it sounded like he has good perspective on the whole thing anyway. BTW, I am very glad that David did himself and Argentina proud. He really was the player to beat in Shanghai. Congratulations!

*Ljubica*
11-21-2005, 04:31 PM
Thanks Clin! :D There have been quite a few very good posts here, and yours is one of them! :clap2:
I might be able to forward them to Gastón in a roundabout way, but I wonder if it's a good idea...? I mean, he's going to try to enjoy himself with those close to him and put all this behind him, and really feel he's on holiday from tennis. Any opinions out there?

I personally feel he might like to read them....but not just now, as he has said himself that he wants a complete holiday from tennis this next few weeks ((http://www.clarin.com/diario/2005/1...tes/d-07904.htm ) .But it maybe nice to give him some confidence during next season.

Florencia
11-25-2005, 12:58 AM
I know it is a bit late and this thread should probably be over, but I just want to make a comment since I have just read the last posts.

George: I really liked your post, not only for its content but also because it is a very good example of how discussion should be dealt with. :)

I mean, on some occasions I have noticed certain "subtle intolerance" towards opinions expressed by people who hold a different point of view. I know that sometimes we get emotional and we tend to answer rather impulsively (I can tell from personal experience, since I usually get mad when I feel that Gaston is being unfairly attacked). But,as long as the other opinion is respectul and the poster comments on the grounds that sustain his position, we should be able to accept diversity. If we do not agree, we can clearly express our ideas or beliefs (as George did), without looking down on the others' opinions.

Besides, debate is certainly fun and it will enrich the excellent level of discussion that this forum already has. :yeah:

At least, this is my opinion. ;)

bluegueber
11-25-2005, 01:59 AM
Florencia: Some individuals here believe that their opinion is more qualified, they will never understand what you mean.

Action Jackson
11-25-2005, 02:18 AM
Florencia: Some individuals here believe that their opinion is more qualified, they will never understand what you mean.

If you have a problem with any particular poster and their views take it up with them specifically, it's a lot easier that way.

You have to be prepared to defend your view point with counterarguments, if an individual doesn't agree and state why they don't, it's a basic fact of life that no one is going to agree 100 per cent of the time.