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ugotlobbed
11-07-2005, 04:41 AM
anyone know who will be groupped together....or how it will play out now the race points are in

Deboogle!.
11-07-2005, 04:45 AM
1 and 2
3 and 4
5 and 6
7 and 8

are all drawn into groups via those pairs, so it limits the possibilities of what groups can result ....

Hard to say much more since we're not really exactly sure who's playing yet.

Merton
11-07-2005, 05:00 AM
1 and 2
3 and 4
5 and 6
7 and 8

are all drawn into groups via those pairs, so it limits the possibilities of what groups can result ....

Hard to say much more since we're not really exactly sure who's playing yet.

That means there are only 8 possible group pairings, if i am not wrong.

Corey Feldman
11-07-2005, 11:54 AM
What are the chances Federer, Roddick and Ljubicic all get drawn in the same group :help:

Rogiman
11-07-2005, 12:16 PM
What are the chances Federer, Roddick and Ljubicic all get drawn in the same group :help:
Should be a blast.

jenanun
11-07-2005, 01:30 PM
What are the chances Federer, Roddick and Ljubicic all get drawn in the same group :help:

the chance is 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 = 1/8 = 12.5%

if that's the case, i can see nadal vs federer in the final.... which is what i m looking for!

Rogiman
11-07-2005, 01:39 PM
the chance is 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2 = 1/8 = 12.5%

Actually it's 1/4, since Federer's group is determined, therefore the calculation applies to Ljubo and Roddick only.

uNIVERSE mAN
11-07-2005, 02:37 PM
so federer and nadal can be in the same group?

dkw
11-07-2005, 03:25 PM
Actually it's 1/4, since Federer's group is determined, therefore the calculation applies to Ljubo and Roddick only.
I know nothing about this so I really shouldn't be writing in here but...

I don't think it's pre-determined whether Feds gets put in the Blue? Group or the Red? Group so you still have to factor in that probability when determining the probability of the other guys being in his group.

And no I don't think Fed and Nadal can meet... Feds goes in Blue and Nadal in Red or vice-versa, No?!

Deboogle!.
11-07-2005, 03:45 PM
What are the chances Federer, Roddick and Ljubicic all get drawn in the same group :help:I thought about that - wouldn't it be hilarious in a sad sort of way?

rofe
11-07-2005, 03:56 PM
I thought about that - wouldn't it be hilarious in a sad sort of way?

Maybe but not in the way you think. Fed will be rusty and Andy and Ivan will be tired and nursing an injury or two. So, unfortunately, whoever wins, the quality of tennis is bound to suffer.

ginny_legend
11-07-2005, 03:57 PM
hopefully coria will get pissed on cos hes a TWAT

Deboogle!.
11-07-2005, 04:00 PM
Maybe but not in the way you think. Fed will be rusty and Andy and Ivan will be tired and nursing an injury or two. So, unfortunately, whoever wins, the quality of tennis is bound to suffer.Yeah, but it's still the three best people on the surface (assuming Hewitt doesn't play) all in the same group, it'd still be too bad IMO, b/c only 2 of them would be able to be semifinalists, etc. But it's not even sure that Andy's playing so it may not even matter.

ClaycourtaZzZz.
11-07-2005, 04:04 PM
hopefully coria will get pissed on cos hes a TWAT
And you're an idiot.

ClaycourtaZzZz.
11-07-2005, 04:05 PM
I'd want a Federer, Ljubicic, Roddick and Agassi group:p

ginny_legend
11-07-2005, 04:30 PM
ha ha, no response, you're a fuckin hardman aint ya!

ClaycourtaZzZz.
11-07-2005, 04:34 PM
:retard:

I'm not following you, asshole.

ginny_legend
11-07-2005, 04:35 PM
:retard:

I'm not following you, asshole.

HAHA
you'd be on the floor with a broken nose if i ever came into your contact.

Rogiman
11-07-2005, 04:46 PM
I know nothing about this so I really shouldn't be writing in here but...

I don't think it's pre-determined whether Feds gets put in the Blue? Group or the Red? Group so you still have to factor in that probability when determining the probability of the other guys being in his group.

And no I don't think Fed and Nadal can meet... Feds goes in Blue and Nadal in Red or vice-versa, No?!
You can observe it both ways: Either you make a similar calculation to the one done above and conclude the probablity for the 3 of them to play together in one of the groups is 1/8, but remember to multiple it by 2 since the group's color doesn't matter here, or (since color doesn't matter) fix, say, Fed at one of the groups and compute the chances for Ivan and Andy to join him.

ClaycourtaZzZz.
11-07-2005, 04:49 PM
HAHA
you'd be on the floor with a broken nose if i ever came into your contact.
:rolls:

Best comment ever:retard:

Seleshfan
11-07-2005, 04:51 PM
You can observe it both ways: Either you make a similar calculation to the one done above and conclude the probablity for the 3 of them to play together in one of the groups is 1/8, but remember to multiple it by 2 since the group's color doesn't matter here, of (since color doesn't matter) fix, say, Fed at one of the groups and compute the chances for Ivan and Andy to join him.

You're so smart. :) Welcome back.

Seleshfan
11-07-2005, 04:54 PM
:rolls:

Best comment ever:retard:

No the best comment ever was made by my 4 year old nephew. He was picking his nose, and his older sister asked him, "what are you doing, digging for gold?" He says, "no, stupid I'm getting boogers."

Deboogle!.
11-07-2005, 05:42 PM
No the best comment ever was made by my 4 year old nephew. He was picking his nose, and his older sister asked him, "what are you doing, digging for gold?" He says, "no, stupid I'm getting boogers.":haha: :haha: that's adorable, in an icky sort of way :p

joycomesmorning
11-07-2005, 06:00 PM
I'd want a Federer, Ljubicic, Roddick and Agassi group:p
Spoken like a true Nadal fan!! I'm sure Hewitt would be happy with that, also...

jcm

ClaycourtaZzZz.
11-07-2005, 06:44 PM
Spoken like a true Nadal fan!! I'm sure Hewitt would be happy with that, also...

jcm

Me a Nadal fan?:haha:

Phunkadelicious
11-07-2005, 06:49 PM
And you're a smackhead cock nose ****pie.

why aren't you banned yet?

ClaycourtaZzZz.
11-07-2005, 06:52 PM
That's my question too:shrug:

Seleshfan
11-07-2005, 06:52 PM
why aren't you banned yet?

None of those words are grounds for banning, that's why.

Smackhead, is simply a verb meaning to hit one upside the head.
Cock is a rooster
Nose is a nose
****pie is a well-known lesbian delicacy.

Phunkadelicious
11-07-2005, 06:56 PM
None of those words are grounds for banning, that's why.

Smackhead, is simply a verb meaning to hit one upside the head.
Cock is a rooster
Nose is a nose
****pie is a well-known lesbian delicacy.


sure

Seleshfan
11-07-2005, 06:57 PM
sure
You don't believe me? :awww:

Phunkadelicious
11-07-2005, 06:57 PM
hopefully coria will get pissed on cos hes a TWAT

and tw*t is some kind of arctic bird or something right?

Phunkadelicious
11-07-2005, 06:58 PM
You don't believe me? :awww:
no you are right, luckily I have been blessed with a mind that doesn't have to take everything in a literal sense

Seleshfan
11-07-2005, 07:00 PM
and tw*t is some kind of arctic bird or something right?

Noo silly, TWAT was actually an acro for Tiny Whiner Ass Troll

Again none of those words are ban-worthy.

ClaycourtaZzZz.
11-07-2005, 07:00 PM
:rolls:

dkw
11-07-2005, 07:18 PM
You can observe it both ways: Either you make a similar calculation to the one done above and conclude the probablity for the 3 of them to play together in one of the groups is 1/8, but remember to multiple it by 2 since the group's color doesn't matter here, or (since color doesn't matter) fix, say, Fed at one of the groups and compute the chances for Ivan and Andy to join him.
Okay the last time I took a stats class was like 10yrs ago so again I shouldn't be arguing. But since I can't help myself...

So Fed is in one group and there's a 25% chance that both Andy and Ivan will meet him there >> I agree.

But which group will the guys meet up with him? Will Fed land in Blue or Red? Since this factor is uncertain, I think you would have to multiply by an additonal 1/2.

Put a different way... there's a 25% chance that Andy and Ivan would land in the same group together. Will Fed also be in this group?

tetoaguri
11-07-2005, 07:40 PM
let's make it easier
there are 8 (2*2*2=8) players grouping patterns you can make (since we don't consider the fourth guy here). And there are patterns which Roger, Ivan, and Andy all happen to be in red-group, AND blue-group. This makes two. two patterns out of all possible 8 patterns is 1/4=25%.

TenHound
11-07-2005, 08:53 PM
No, RF & RN cannot be in the same group. Nor can 3&4, 5&6, or 7&8.

mangoes
11-07-2005, 09:26 PM
Well, Nadal has been having a lot of luck in the draws, so, I'm going to guess that Hewitt, Coria, and Davydenko will be in Nadal's draw..............lololololol....... So no need for Nadal to play, just move him to the finals.

Fedex
11-07-2005, 09:29 PM
And you're a smackhead cock nose ****pie.
:lol:

Fedex
11-07-2005, 09:35 PM
why aren't you banned yet?
He probably has been banned several times before, but is under a different username. Can you say Carnival Carnage?

smucav
11-07-2005, 09:40 PM
What are the chances Federer, Roddick and Ljubicic all get drawn in the same group :help:2/8 or 25%

There are only 8 possible scenarios:

1) 1357/2468
2) 1457/2368
3) 1367/2458
4) 1467/2358
5) 1358/2467
6) 1458/2367
7) 1368/2457
8) 1468/2357

1 Federer
2 Nadal
3 Roddick
4 Hewitt
5 Agassi
6 Coria
7 Davydenko
8 Ljubicic

Given that the above 8 players are the ones who actually play, only scenarios 5 & 7 would include Federer, Roddick, & Ljubicic. (Thus: 2/8=25%)

tetoaguri
11-07-2005, 09:59 PM
All I wanted to say is above, I just edited this now.

In other words, Fed being in red-group and the other two guys falling into the same group is one out of four possible patterns. Same thing when Fed being in blue-group so the probability won't change.

If any guy can be in either group, then the number of all possible patterns would be a lot bigger... which I don't bother to calculate:p

Well I could be mistaken of course but what the heck,
all I want is a good draw for Nadal, whatever that probability is.

NYCtennisfan
11-07-2005, 10:05 PM
What are the chances Federer, Roddick and Ljubicic all get drawn in the same group

This would be crazy because if given the opportunity to be on opposite groups, I believe that Fed/Nadal/Ivan/Roddick would make the SF round.

revolution
11-07-2005, 10:07 PM
Agassi should not be counted out, he has the ability to beat all except Fed I think.

mangoes
11-07-2005, 10:07 PM
Agassi should not be counted out, he has the ability to beat all except Fed I think.

agree

dkw
11-07-2005, 11:36 PM
Rogiman (and others) I take back all the smack I've been talking today (at least where this thread is concerned)

You guys were Right. If you take color into consideration then you'd go up to 16 permetations and Fed, Andy and Ivan could meet under 4 scenarios which equates to 25% >>> like you guys have been saying all day long.

dkw

Merton
11-08-2005, 02:36 AM
Okay the last time I took a stats class was like 10yrs ago so again I shouldn't be arguing. But since I can't help myself...

So Fed is in one group and there's a 25% chance that both Andy and Ivan will meet him there >> I agree.

But which group will the guys meet up with him? Will Fed land in Blue or Red? Since this factor is uncertain, I think you would have to multiply by an additonal 1/2.

Put a different way... there's a 25% chance that Andy and Ivan would land in the same group together. Will Fed also be in this group?

The probability that Andy and Ivan are in the same group is 50%, not 25%. The easiest way to see it is imagining Andy drawing randomly one ball out of two. Think that ball 1 is called Davydenko and ball 2 is called Ljubicic. The probability of drawing ball 2 is 1/2, or 50%.

ugotlobbed
11-08-2005, 03:55 AM
i wish it was federer/roddick/coria/ljubicic
nadal/hewitt/agassi/davidenko
then federer would win easily hahahah jk