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Deboogle!.
10-20-2005, 12:29 AM
Let's start fresh like we did earlier this year a couple times. I think we need it. Suggestions for diffferent title are welcomed.

Please, Andy :awww:

The Lyon draw will actually be made Friday evening France time, so not long to wait. usually I think semi-challenging draws are good for him, but this time he just plain needs an easy first-round opponent. He has to win a friggin match :o

warmy
10-20-2005, 12:39 AM
Woot to a fresh beginning! :bigclap: I can feel some great Tennis coming on. I just know it. Come on Andy play like we know you can. :banana: :rocker2: :yippee: :bounce:

surfpinky
10-20-2005, 12:39 AM
:awww:

Carito_90
10-20-2005, 01:13 AM
Cool, fresh new thread. I like that!

"France is not made for losers" Maybe?... it's shorter. I couldn't come up with anything better :sobbing:

partygirl
10-20-2005, 01:21 AM
i have hope...i think?

im suffering from roddick-itis...it effects ones "mind"- mostly :)

snaillyyy
10-20-2005, 01:27 AM
I like the title :D I just want him to win a match :sad: and preferably in 2005..

acoffeygirl
10-20-2005, 01:42 AM
I love fresh starts. Thanks Deb!!!

andyroxmysox12191
10-20-2005, 01:53 AM
fresh start :yeah:
please Andy....we beg of you lol. do well

nkhera1
10-20-2005, 02:00 AM
Getting out of the first round will actually be considered an accomplishment for him. :sad:

warmy
10-20-2005, 02:22 AM
Oh look Andy has something in common with Donald Young.




Sorry, I couldn't help myself. :hangs head in shame:

Deboogle!.
10-20-2005, 02:24 AM
Oh look Andy has something in common with Donald Young.




Sorry, I couldn't help myself. :hangs head in shame:oh man.... burn, andy. b.u.r.n.

J. Corwin
10-20-2005, 03:41 AM
The "They don't like losers in France so you have to win" Lyon and Paris thread

Andy, meet my av. :cool:

I don't think they need a French reindeer. ;)

Noelle
10-20-2005, 04:04 AM
WOOT

blosson
10-20-2005, 07:43 AM
Cancan Andy can. (to France)

oneandonlyhsn
10-20-2005, 11:10 AM
Go Andy Go :bigclap: :bounce: I have high hopes for this tournie

Deboogle!.
10-20-2005, 02:07 PM
oh bloss, I love that. I'm gonna work it into the title

Noelle
10-20-2005, 02:35 PM
Because he can-can-can! Because he can-can-can-can-can-can-can-can-can!!!!!!! :dance:

Deboogle!.
10-20-2005, 02:36 PM
Because he can-can-can! Because he can-can-can-can-can-can-can-can-can!!!!!!! :dance:hehe, when i saw blosson's post i immediately thought of Moulin Rouge. Love.

Fumus
10-20-2005, 02:47 PM
Yay for Lyon.

I would be Lyon to you if I said Andy won't win it! ;)

Deboogle!.
10-20-2005, 02:47 PM
that isn't how it's pronounced :p

Fumus
10-20-2005, 02:48 PM
Deb you wouldn't be lyon to me would you?

Deboogle!.
10-20-2005, 02:49 PM
I'd never.

Noelle
10-20-2005, 02:49 PM
We all know Andy can do the can-can.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v602/noelledeg/ouch.gif

Well, that's not the can-can, but... :lol:

Fumus
10-20-2005, 02:51 PM
All I have to say is....

Oh, this is the start of something good
Don't you agree?
I haven't felt like this in so many moons
You know what I mean?

Gavin Degraw is talking about Andy! Now Andy just has to "follow through"!

Fumus
10-20-2005, 02:56 PM
You know...it isn't a bunch of chumps in Lyon there are a bunch of good players...

Llubo
Grosjean
Mathieu
Blake
Ginepri
Ancic

It's going to be tough....but also a good confidence builder for Andy so he can win in Paris.

Noelle
10-20-2005, 02:58 PM
Hopefully your singing is a better charm than mine, Fumus. :) I sang "Tomorrow" after his US Open loss. :D

Fumus
10-20-2005, 03:21 PM
Singing always works, I sang "Passive" by APC to Marat Safin and he beat Fed and won the AO. Other than that...um yea I reserve singing unless it's really nessesary cuz it's kinda unfair to the other players when I do. Whomever I sing to is just going to go on a tear.

tangerine_dream
10-20-2005, 03:23 PM
Because he can-can-can! Because he can-can-can-can-can-can-can-can-can!!!!!!! :dance:
I loved Moulin Rouge. I still listen to the soundtrack in my car sometimes. :D

I love the new positive, uppity thread title Deb :cool: :yeah: Again, wipe the slate clean and let's start over. Again. Come on Andy and shake it off, you can do it!!!!!!! :banana:

guida
10-20-2005, 03:40 PM
Here's to a new beginning! :drink: :rocker2:

Fumus
10-20-2005, 04:57 PM
Well, Andy you already had a new begining today in doubles. Lets keep it up!

acoffeygirl
10-20-2005, 05:13 PM
All this Moulin Rouge talk makes me want to go home right now and watch it again. Do any of you have the set with all three of the movies? I love Strictly Ballroom too. It is quirky, but lots of fun.

OK back to tennis...nice to see the big WIN in doubles.

Fumus
10-20-2005, 05:17 PM
I told you my singing would do the trick.

blosson
10-20-2005, 05:48 PM
You know...it isn't a bunch of chumps in Lyon there are a bunch of good players...

Llubo
Grosjean
Mathieu
Blake
Ginepri
Ancic

It's going to be tough....but also a good confidence builder for Andy so he can win in Paris.

erh, will Karlovic be there too?

snaillyyy
10-20-2005, 05:53 PM
errrrr dont seem him on the list *crosses fingers*

Deboogle!.
10-20-2005, 07:32 PM
Karlovic is on the ALT list of all three tourneys and he'll probably get into them all. I doubt he'd pick Lyon - it has the least points and prize money.

Jennay
10-20-2005, 07:52 PM
Come ON, Andy. :bounce:

Love the title. :cool: :yeah:

am&a
10-20-2005, 08:09 PM
Do any of you have the set with all three of the movies? moi.

Deboogle!.
10-20-2005, 08:09 PM
I haven't seen Strictly Ballroom :( But I have the 2 others

acoffeygirl
10-20-2005, 08:54 PM
I haven't seen Strictly Ballroom :( But I have the 2 others

Well like I said Strictly Ballroom is very quirky. I think it is sort of one of those types that you either love or hate. Anyway...I'll have to let you borrow it sometime, and you can decide for yourself! :)

Seleshfan
10-20-2005, 09:29 PM
Well like I said Strictly Ballroom is very quirky. I think it is sort of one of those types that you either love or hate. Anyway...I'll have to let you borrow it sometime, and you can decide for yourself! :)

You know I was going to make an incredibly witty dirty joke here, but since Tangy the Porn Police is on duty, I'll refrain.

Changing the subject to something other than sex, I've never seen Moulin Rouge, isn't that about prostitutes?

Jennay
10-20-2005, 09:48 PM
Changing the subject to something other than sex, I've never seen Moulin Rouge, isn't that about prostitutes?
:haha:

Deboogle!.
10-20-2005, 11:58 PM
Well like I said Strictly Ballroom is very quirky. I think it is sort of one of those types that you either love or hate. Anyway...I'll have to let you borrow it sometime, and you can decide for yourself! :)Aw, that'd be awesome, thanks! :)

LMFAO Robert :worship:

tangerine_dream
10-21-2005, 02:47 AM
You know I was going to make an incredibly witty dirty joke here, but since Tangy the Porn Police is on duty, I'll refrain.
Acting like a hurt, petulant child isn't becoming of you, Robert.

Seriously, are you interested in anything about Roddick other than his ass and cock? Unless I've missed it, I don't think I've ever seen one post from you that had anything to do with Roddick's game, or anything that wasn't sex-related. I know that you are a clever person, and I know that you have a lot more to offer to this forum than the likes of someone like TennisBoy, but I haven't seen it yet. There have been hints of it, but then it's back to blowjobs and reach-arounds with you.

I'm hardly a squeamish prude, as Deb and the others can attest to :devil: . I've been known to perv over Andy's merchandise myself, but I don't obsess over it 24/7. People who can't talk about anything other than Andy's ass is just as boring to me as those folks who refuse to talk about anything other than what a great serve he has.

Robert, I'd love to get to know you better, you seem like a fantastic person, but I wish you would discuss something else about Andy for once. And no, not his warddrobe. ;)

Noelle
10-21-2005, 02:48 AM
Fumus and his singing. Love. :hearts: Thank you!

Havok
10-21-2005, 03:08 AM
Just win or something please. :shrug:

Noelle
10-21-2005, 03:53 AM
OK, I've done a comparison chart of the top ten players, and Andy seems like he's had a relatively good year...

http://www.atptennis.com/en/players/entrysystem/

#1. Federer --19 tournaments, W-L: 77-3, 11 titles. Points: 6975.
#2. Nadal -- 24 tournaments, W-L: 74-10, 10 titles. Points: 4475.
#3. Roddick -- 20 tournaments, W-L: 51-12, 4 titles. Points: 3115.
#4. Hewitt -- 18 tournaments, W-L: 37-9, 1 title. Points: 3015.
#5. Safin -- 18 tournaments, W-L: 27-11, 1 title. Points: 2990.
#6. Agassi -- 18 tournaments, W-L: 38-11, 1 title. Points: 2640.
#7. Coria -- 21 tournaments, W-L: 53-21, 1 title. Points: 2110.
#8. Davydenko -- 29 tournaments, W-L: 48-26, 1 title. Points: 2000.
#9. Nalbandian -- 20 tournaments, W-L: 34-15, 1 title. Points: 1905.
#10. Puerta -- 30 tournaments, W-L: 36-20, 1 title. Points: 1784.

Andy's right where he's supposed to be, I guess.

Deboogle!.
10-21-2005, 03:55 AM
yea Noelle, I don't think anyone's saying his year hasn't been ok. It's just all the matches he should've won - the three where he had MP, the one where he was up 2-0 sets, or a set and a break or a set and two TBs or the set points and stuff. It's that his year could have, and should have, been so much better. That's what makes me sad :(

Karlovic is officially not playing Lyon..... whoopie :p

Noelle
10-21-2005, 03:58 AM
Yeah, I did the comparison for another forum (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=616594&postcount=86) and decided I had to share it with all of you. :) Fresh start and all that.

Havok
10-21-2005, 04:08 AM
OK, I've done a comparison chart of the top ten players, and Andy seems like he's had a relatively good year...

http://www.atptennis.com/en/players/entrysystem/

#1. Federer --19 tournaments, W-L: 77-3, 11 titles. Points: 6975.
#2. Nadal -- 24 tournaments, W-L: 74-10, 10 titles. Points: 4475.
#3. Roddick -- 20 tournaments, W-L: 51-12, 4 titles. Points: 3115.
#4. Hewitt -- 18 tournaments, W-L: 37-9, 1 title. Points: 3015.
#5. Safin -- 18 tournaments, W-L: 27-11, 1 title. Points: 2990.
#6. Agassi -- 18 tournaments, W-L: 38-11, 1 title. Points: 2640.
#7. Coria -- 21 tournaments, W-L: 53-21, 1 title. Points: 2110.
#8. Davydenko -- 29 tournaments, W-L: 48-26, 1 title. Points: 2000.
#9. Nalbandian -- 20 tournaments, W-L: 34-15, 1 title. Points: 1905.
#10. Puerta -- 30 tournaments, W-L: 36-20, 1 title. Points: 1784.

Andy's right where he's supposed to be, I guess.
All this and Andy is playing the worst tennis he's played in 3 years. Pretty crazy huh :crazy:. So you could just imagine how much of a BETTER year he could be having right now if he showed up and won the matches he should have won, etc.

Deboogle!.
10-21-2005, 04:10 AM
All this and Andy is playing the worst tennis he's played in 3 years. Pretty crazy huh :crazy:. So you could just imagine how much of a BETTER year he could be having right now if he showed up and won the matches he should have won, etc.Yep, exactly. :(

Golfnduck
10-21-2005, 04:20 AM
Okay Andy, little steps. Let's win your first match in Lyon, then we'll work from there. Baby steps.

Noelle
10-21-2005, 04:24 AM
Andy's set that bar high himself. :) It's up to him to dig himself out of this rut and hit the bar again.

GO ANDY!

renee_chin
10-21-2005, 04:39 AM
All this and Andy is playing the worst tennis he's played in 3 years. Pretty crazy huh :crazy:. So you could just imagine how much of a BETTER year he could be having right now if he showed up and won the matches he should have won, etc.

Didn't we and he himself say that about 2004 as well? True - the way Federer was performing was simply sensational, and coming 2nd to a guy who was almost unbeatable was nothing to be ashamed of. But, look at the gap there... :o

This year, Andy has drifted even further off Fed. I think it's save to say that Federer matched his 2004 performance (almost, anyways) - and he should've done better. There's so many matches that he's thrown away - starting from last year's TMC semis against Hewitt, which still bugs me... :mad:

I mean - just, imagine what if he's played like we all know he can and win all those matches that he should have won... :sad:

superpinkone37
10-21-2005, 07:02 AM
Yeah, he has said that. And yeah, its true. I mean, we say he has had a horrible year this year, but thats not true compared to ATP players in general, or even anyone in the top ten not including Rafa and Roger who are just tennis freaks of nature or something. ;) It's just that WE KNOW and HE KNOWS that he can be better. A couple of those tough losses he had where he could have won would have made a HUGE difference. But still, its not like Andy has fallen way off the charts or anything. He just needs to step it up, win those big matches (and um, not lose in the first round, kthanks) and we can hope that Roger and Rafa don't have repeat years lol.

nobama
10-21-2005, 11:06 AM
The only players Andy's lost to who were in the top 50 at the time he played them were Federer (finals of Wimby and Cincy), Hewitt (SF of AO and IW) and Acasuso (who was ranked 49th at the time of RG). That's depressing. And if you feel bad for Andy, think of Andre and how great his year would be were it not for playing Fed 4 times this year (losing 1 QF, 2SF and 1F). Andre is 38-11 this year, and only 2 of those 11 losses were to players outside top 50. That's what's so frustrating about Andy is losing matches he SHOULD be winning because he IS the better player. It's one thing to lose in the finals to Fed, but to lose in R1 to players like Massu and Muller (who then get their ass kicked in the next round) just makes you want to :banghead:

Deboogle!.
10-21-2005, 12:57 PM
Yes, basically.

Golfnduck
10-21-2005, 01:14 PM
When does the draw for Lyon come out?

Deboogle!.
10-21-2005, 01:18 PM
About 4 hours from now (plus however long it takes them to actually get it up on the net)

Angle Queen
10-21-2005, 01:37 PM
OK, I've done a comparison chart of the top ten players, and Andy seems like he's had a relatively good year...

http://www.atptennis.com/en/players/entrysystem/

#1. Federer --19 tournaments, W-L: 77-3, 11 titles. Points: 6975.
#2. Nadal -- 24 tournaments, W-L: 74-10, 10 titles. Points: 4475.
#3. Roddick -- 20 tournaments, W-L: 51-12, 4 titles. Points: 3115.
#4. Hewitt -- 18 tournaments, W-L: 37-9, 1 title. Points: 3015.
#5. Safin -- 18 tournaments, W-L: 27-11, 1 title. Points: 2990.
#6. Agassi -- 18 tournaments, W-L: 38-11, 1 title. Points: 2640.
#7. Coria -- 21 tournaments, W-L: 53-21, 1 title. Points: 2110.
#8. Davydenko -- 29 tournaments, W-L: 48-26, 1 title. Points: 2000.
#9. Nalbandian -- 20 tournaments, W-L: 34-15, 1 title. Points: 1905.
#10. Puerta -- 30 tournaments, W-L: 36-20, 1 title. Points: 1784.

Andy's right where he's supposed to be, I guess.
:scratch:

At the 'tournament' totals. For example, Roger's only played 14 tournaments this year (plus a DC effort). That would make sense...11 titles + 3 losses = 14 tourneys. Are they perhaps mixing the points race (which is a rolling 12-month thing) versus a calendar year?

Deboogle!.
10-21-2005, 01:40 PM
:scratch:

At the 'tournament' totals. For example, Roger's only played 14 tournaments this year (plus a DC effort). That would make sense...11 titles + 3 losses = 14 tourneys. Are they perhaps mixing the points race (which is a rolling 12-month thing) versus a calendar year?Seems that the tourney totals, and the point totals are based on the entry system, but the win-loss is just for this year....

Golfnduck
10-21-2005, 02:23 PM
I'm doing my dance to the draw gods for a good draw for Andy. Please tennis gods, give us pissy, fired up Andy.

Noelle
10-21-2005, 02:53 PM
:scratch:

At the 'tournament' totals. For example, Roger's only played 14 tournaments this year (plus a DC effort). That would make sense...11 titles + 3 losses = 14 tourneys. Are they perhaps mixing the points race (which is a rolling 12-month thing) versus a calendar year?
Let me go check that. :o It says "Tourns. played" in that column and these are the Entry Rankings as of Monday 17 Oct 2005.

But when I check Federer's activity page, you're correct. Ack. :( The number of tournaments IS from the rolling system. I should probably go edit some stuff I posted elsewhere.

Deboogle!.
10-21-2005, 02:57 PM
That makes sense, noelle. on the Entry System page, the amount of tourneys played will be the 12 month rolling number. the tourneys played on the Champions Race would be year-to-date just 2005....

Noelle
10-21-2005, 03:04 PM
Corrected data. :o

#1. Federer --14 tournaments, W-L: 77-3, 11 titles. Points: 6975.
#2. Nadal -- 20 tournaments, W-L: 74-10, 10 titles. Points: 4475.
#3. Roddick -- 16 tournaments, W-L: 51-12, 4 titles. Points: 3115.
#4. Hewitt -- 10 tournaments, W-L: 37-9, 1 title. Points: 3015.
#5. Safin -- 12 tournaments, W-L: 27-11, 1 title. Points: 2990.
#6. Agassi -- 12 tournaments, W-L: 38-11, 1 title. Points: 2640.
#7. Coria -- 19 tournaments, W-L: 53-21, 1 title. Points: 2110.
#8. Davydenko -- 26 tournaments, W-L: 48-26, 1 title. Points: 2000.
#9. Nalbandian -- 16 tournaments, W-L: 34-15, 1 title. Points: 1905.
#10. Puerta -- 24 tournaments, W-L: 36-20, 1 title. Points: 1784.

Deboogle!.
10-21-2005, 03:55 PM
That makes more sense, if you're going year-to-date, except that the point totals still cover the past 12 months... is that what you wanted?

Angle Queen
10-21-2005, 04:11 PM
It certainly is confusing...and I don't even know why Year-to-Date figures are important. If the 12-month rolling entry system is what's used for seedings and such...just leave the other stuff behind.

Deboogle!.
10-21-2005, 04:11 PM
Yeah, the race is ridiculous and useless. I guess at this time of year near the end of the season it's a bit more useful but even so, blah. What's funny is that it was put into place to ease confusion :haha:

Seleshfan
10-21-2005, 04:56 PM
Acting like a hurt, petulant child isn't becoming of you, Robert.

Seriously, are you interested in anything about Roddick other than his ass and cock? Unless I've missed it, I don't think I've ever seen one post from you that had anything to do with Roddick's game, or anything that wasn't sex-related. I know that you are a clever person, and I know that you have a lot more to offer to this forum than the likes of someone like TennisBoy, but I haven't seen it yet. There have been hints of it, but then it's back to blowjobs and reach-arounds with you.

I'm hardly a squeamish prude, as Deb and the others can attest to :devil: . I've been known to perv over Andy's merchandise myself, but I don't obsess over it 24/7. People who can't talk about anything other than Andy's ass is just as boring to me as those folks who refuse to talk about anything other than what a great serve he has.

Robert, I'd love to get to know you better, you seem like a fantastic person, but I wish you would discuss something else about Andy for once. And no, not his warddrobe. ;)

First of all, I was never acting like a “hurt” or “petulant” child. I was “actually” being an adult who was annoyed with some rude poster, who obviously doesn’t read enough of my posts, asking a stupid question she would know the answer to if she had read my posts. I have never claimed to be an Andy fan, while sober anyway. In fact, in the very post you originally commented on, I flat out say, “I’m not an Andy fan.” The truth is, I do not like his game. I think it would get tired pretty quickly in an Andy fan thread, if I replaced every one of my positive comments on Andy’s delicious body, with a negative comment on his backhand, volley, etc. While I thank you for being generous enough to acknowledge that I can be creative, and potentially fantastic. I just don’t see why I can’t be creative and fantastic in a dirty way? :confused: But seriously, if your intent was to get to know me better or to inquire why I only talk about Andy's body, why didn't you just do that from the beginning? Why the rude original post?

But, I say let bi-guys be bi-guys, I mean bygones, be bygones. :haha:

Deboogle!.
10-21-2005, 04:57 PM
*sings kumbaya*

can we all just get along? :)

tangerine_dream
10-21-2005, 05:04 PM
First of all, I was never acting like a “hurt” or “petulant” child. I was “actually” being an adult who was annoyed with some rude poster, who obviously doesn’t read enough of my posts, asking a stupid question she would know the answer to if she had read my posts. I have never claimed to be an Andy fan, while sober anyway. In fact, in the very post you originally commented on, I flat out say, “I’m not an Andy fan.” The truth is, I do not like his game. I think it would get tired pretty quickly in an Andy fan thread, if I replaced every one of my positive comments on Andy’s delicious body, with a negative comment on his backhand, volley, etc. While I thank you for being generous enough to acknowledge that I can be creative, and potentially fantastic. I just don’t see why I can’t be creative and fantastic in a dirty way? :confused: But seriously, if your intent was to get to know me better or to inquire why I only talk about Andy's body, why didn't you just do that from the beginning? Why the rude original post?

But, I say let bi-guys be bi-guys, I mean bygones, be bygones. :haha:

Well, it appears that I mistook you for an Andy fan then. Sorry, I tend to assume that when somebody posts a lot in a player's forum then they must be a fan. And I guess I was wrong in assuming that you'd be interested in something other than Andy's ass or dick. That was my mistake and I apologize for it. Happy humping then. ;)

Seleshfan
10-21-2005, 05:04 PM
*sings kumbaya*

can we all just get along? :)

*crossing my arms and pouts* Are you going to do our mediation Deb? All that I ask is the permission to discuss Andy's body any time I want. It's not like every post I post here is about his big round ass, is it?

Seleshfan
10-21-2005, 05:05 PM
Well, it appears that I mistook you for an Andy fan then. Sorry, I tend to assume that when somebody posts a lot in a player's forum then they must be a fan. And I guess I was wrong in assuming that you'd be interested in something other than Andy's ass or dick. That was my mistake and I apologize for it. Happy humping then. ;)

And it never occurred to you that one would post in a thread where they just liked the people there, eh?

Deboogle!.
10-21-2005, 05:07 PM
I don't really care. I mean, there are other people here who don't like Andy either and they come and chat with us and are friends with us on MSN and whatever. I don't really care as long as people aren't mean. You both are great people to have around and are both friends with many of us, so I'd just like to see people get along if possible :)

tangerine_dream
10-21-2005, 05:10 PM
And it never occurred to you that one would post in a thread where they just liked the people there, eh?
I seem to recall you barging into this forum from out of nowhere and demanding your own thread:

Do it already. Besides I think it's odd that Chloe who isn't even an Andy fan should have her own thread here, whereas, I love Andy's body to death don't even have one. Although, I would gladly take over the Andy's Got Back thread.

So now you got it and now you post here often, which is all fine and dandy with me, I don't care. The people in here are great to party with so I wouldn't blame anyone for doing so. :cool:

My original comment to you was: Can you talk about anything other than sex? And you just said no, because you're only interested in Andy's body. So that answers my question and I thank you for it.

Seleshfan
10-21-2005, 05:20 PM
I seem to recall you barging into this forum from out of nowhere and demanding your own thread:
Quite an interesting choice of words. Not sure if this is due to lack of better word choices, or lack of memory on your part. I can assure you, I did come from somewhere, and that I didn't barge, and that I didn't demand anything.


So now you got it and now you post here often, which is all fine and dandy with me, I don't care. The people in here are great to party with so I wouldn't blame anyone for doing so. :cool: My original comment to you was: Can you talk about anything other than sex? And you just said no, because you're only interested in Andy's body. So that answers my question and I thank you for it.
You're quite welcome. Now can you return me the favor, and answer my question from earlier?

Deboogle!.
10-21-2005, 05:21 PM
:crying2:

Angle Queen
10-21-2005, 05:22 PM
Me cry too, Deb. :bigcry:

Seleshfan
10-21-2005, 05:25 PM
awww...don't cry ladies!

Tangy, please accept my humblest apologies. I will try to accommodate you with more posts about Andy's game. :hug: Tangy :hug:

See, it's all better.

rachelzszs
10-21-2005, 05:26 PM
I suppose he 's preparing for Shanghai :p :p :p

warmy
10-21-2005, 05:30 PM
I think it's LOVE. :inlove: :couple: :smooch:

:sings:
Tangy and Robert sitting in a tree K.I.S.S.I.N.G.

blosson
10-21-2005, 05:32 PM
Let's talk about Andy's floppy forehand...it's crap.

tangerine_dream
10-21-2005, 05:33 PM
Now can you return me the favor, and answer my question from earlier?
Which question?

I just don’t see why I can’t be creative and fantastic in a dirty way?
You can. I didn't say that you couldn't.

But seriously, if your intent was to get to know me better or to inquire why I only talk about Andy's body, why didn't you just do that from the beginning? Why the rude original post?
Because your blowjob "joke" in the middle of a thread where most of us were still upset over Andy's loss to Ivo was, imo, ill-timed and ill-suited. Most of your posts in the tourney threads have absolutely nothing to do with Andy's game and everything to do with a dirty joke. I don't mind dirty jokes, but I felt that you had gone overboard at that particular time. And coupled with the fact that I couldn't recall any post from you that wasn't sex-related, I posted a direct question to you: can you talk about anything other than sex?

And then you stated that you are not a fan, only interested in Roddick's body. That is fine with me. :cool: I had thought maybe you might have something more interesting to say about Roddick's match vs Ivo instead of Andy needing a bj but now I know not to expect such discussions from you so I won't jump on you like that again.

awww...don't cry ladies!

Tangy, please accept my humblest apologies. I will try to accommodate you with more posts about Andy's game. :hug: Tangy :hug:

See, it's all better.

:hug: Just for the record Robert, I certainly don't hate you or want to push you or anyone out, but if you don't like Roddick's game, I wouldn't mind hearing about why you don't. :)

And I apologize for being a Tangybitch.

rachelzszs
10-21-2005, 05:41 PM
I believe Andy has already tried his best.
Andy is cute and nice , whatever.

Seleshfan
10-21-2005, 05:45 PM
Thanks Tangy for acknowledging you were a Tangybitch. :haha:

So, why don't I like Andy's game? Hmmmm....I like smooth players, like Federer, Sampras, Stich, Edberg, Seles. :haha: okay, I like Seles for other reasons. But I like my men players smooth. Andy is just not smooth. His shots just look forced to me.

Angle Queen
10-21-2005, 05:46 PM
I think Andy can do better. A sports shrink is definitely in order. Confidence, or lack thereof, is probably the biggest thing holding him back right now. Sure, he can work on his BH and volleys...but he's got to get his head right again.

Deboogle!.
10-21-2005, 05:49 PM
Couldn't agree more, Marlene.

Angle Queen
10-21-2005, 05:49 PM
His shots just look forced to me.I get that feeling sometimes too. His serve motion seems quite natural to him and...voila...it's one of the best in the game. But he just looks like he's pressing sometimes. It's almost like he's trying...too hard. As a fan, though, it's hard not to like the fact that he seems to be trying to improve his game.

Deboogle!.
10-21-2005, 05:51 PM
Well, his forehand is a pretty violent swing, there's no denying. But it's his swing, he's had it since he was a kid, and he can't change it now. lol. and when he's going after it and hitting it confidently, it's certainly an effective shot lol

Seleshfan
10-21-2005, 05:51 PM
I...but he's got to get his head right again.

*resisting the urge to do a bj joke*...............*fighting it*

Angle Queen
10-21-2005, 05:52 PM
Agreed on the FH side. It's on the BH side...where...you never know what he's gonna try to pull out of the bag.

tangerine_dream
10-21-2005, 05:52 PM
Thanks Tangy for acknowledging you were a Tangybitch. :haha:
You haven't seen Tangytard yet. :devil:

Angle Queen
10-21-2005, 05:52 PM
*resisting the urge to do a bj joke*...............*fighting it*Don't do it.

warmy
10-21-2005, 05:52 PM
You know punishments are not just for Andy, they’re for everyone! All are welcome to inflict punishment on each other at “The Roddick Crime and Punishment Thread.” :wavey: :D

In fact if my dear Debstah my want to watch herself, she’s on my shortlist. :devil: :p

(Also, I need vCash.)

Angle Queen
10-21-2005, 05:53 PM
You haven't seen Tangytard yet. :devil::haha:

Deboogle!.
10-21-2005, 05:53 PM
You know punishments are not just for Andy, they’re for everyone! All are welcome to inflict punishment on each other at “The Roddick Crime and Punishment Thread.” :wavey: :D

In fact if my dear Debstah my want to watch herself, she’s on my shortlist. :devil: :p

(Also, I need vCash.)wait, what?!!? what did I do?! :sad:


Boo, I was hoping the Lyon draw would be posted before I went to class but apparently they need more than an hour to post it online :o

Seleshfan
10-21-2005, 05:55 PM
You haven't seen Tangytard yet. :devil:

Is there a Tangytramp? I think I might like her a lot.

warmy
10-21-2005, 05:56 PM
wait, what?!!? what did I do?! :sad:


Nothin'

I just like picking on you. :boxing:

Deboogle!.
10-21-2005, 05:56 PM
:sad: :sad: :sad:

Seleshfan
10-21-2005, 05:59 PM
:sad: :sad: :sad:

Lawyers don't cry, they sue. Sue for harrassment Deb!

tangerine_dream
10-21-2005, 05:59 PM
Tangytroll is also kinda annoying. I save her for GM duty :devil:

But nothing compares to Deb Vader. :bolt:

Deboogle!.
10-21-2005, 06:00 PM
Eep, AR.com says it's more like flu symptoms... hopefully he's ok for Lyon (he can get as late as a Wed. start...)
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Andy Pulls From Madrid
2005-10-21

Andy was forced to withdraw from the Madrid Masters doubles competition, suffering from symptoms of the flu. With his hectic European schedule leading up to the Masters Cup in Shanghai, maintaining Andy's health is a top priority. Although Andy's training has placed him in peak condition, traveling can be extremely tolling on the body especially during the fall flu season.

Check back to Ar.com for updates.

warmy
10-21-2005, 06:02 PM
:sad: :sad: :sad:

:kiss:

Seleshfan
10-21-2005, 06:27 PM
warmy are you soliciting for posts in your Punishment thread?

Carito_90
10-21-2005, 06:30 PM
dgfhjdagf OH COME ON.

Ugh.

Angle Queen
10-21-2005, 06:31 PM
Lawyers don't cry, they sue. Sue for harrassment Deb!Sue? That's cobalt60! Where is she? :lol:

athena_wu
10-21-2005, 06:37 PM
Eep, AR.com says it's more like flu symptoms... hopefully he's ok for Lyon (he can get as late as a Wed. start...)
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Andy Pulls From Madrid
2005-10-21

Andy was forced to withdraw from the Madrid Masters doubles competition, suffering from symptoms of the flu. With his hectic European schedule leading up to the Masters Cup in Shanghai, maintaining Andy's health is a top priority. Although Andy's training has placed him in peak condition, traveling can be extremely tolling on the body especially during the fall flu season.

Check back to Ar.com for updates.

aha, Deb, I post it in another thread of indoors. I know you always post news quickly. :p Poor Andy, Please recover as soon as possible. :sad:

cobalt60
10-21-2005, 06:38 PM
Sue? That's cobalt60! Where is she? :lol:
You rang? :cool: I am cooking now :wavey:

Seleshfan
10-21-2005, 06:39 PM
You rang? :cool: I am cooking now :wavey:

The Dr. is in! Hey you! How are you?

cobalt60
10-21-2005, 06:41 PM
The Dr. is in! Hey you! How are you?
I am actually OUT of the office today! And I am fantastic. Feeling on top of the world I am. How about you? How is it in california? right? I actually tried the acro game last night but I have the hardest time coming up with anything clever. Well I am never clever. :p

Seleshfan
10-21-2005, 06:52 PM
I am actually OUT of the office today! And I am fantastic. Feeling on top of the world I am. How about you? How is it in california? right? I actually tried the acro game last night but I have the hardest time coming up with anything clever. Well I am never clever. :p

Yay! Thanks for supporting my game. It's not one of the more popular ones there in the Chat Thread. I think because it requires some thought. :lol: I'll check out your acro.

Yep, I'm in good ol' California. It's fine here. I don't remember where you're from? Have you heard from Ofir?

Dinkie
10-21-2005, 07:10 PM
Hey, good to see all the Andy boppers still around despite him performing not as quite as expected or wanted.

He will rise again, I'm sure of that, either in tennis or in his personal life, which is as important. He might quit, he might fail, he might loose, but he still has a good life, stays true to himself and continues to entertain us. I like him in all his clumsyness.

I just had to say that. :) You can continue your discussion now. :wavey:

cobalt60
10-21-2005, 07:28 PM
Yay! Thanks for supporting my game. It's not one of the more popular ones there in the Chat Thread. I think because it requires some thought. :lol: I'll check out your acro.

Yep, I'm in good ol' California. It's fine here. I don't remember where you're from? Have you heard from Ofir?
I am from Maine. I live in Yarmouth a small town on the coast. And I haven't seen OFIR since he left. Hope he is alright. He was heading to India for about 2 months and I think it is almost 3 months since he left. Forget the ACRO-I only did one then called it quits ;) I figuer I think to much and multitask too much at work- who wants to do that when I get home :p

cobalt60
10-21-2005, 07:29 PM
Hey, good to see all the Andy boppers still around despite him performing not as quite as expected or wanted.

He will rise again, I'm sure of that, either in tennis or in his personal life, which is as important. He might quit, he might fail, he might loose, but he still has a good life, stays true to himself and continues to entertain us. I like him in all his clumsyness.

I just had to say that. :) You can continue your discussion now. :wavey:
:wavey: Don't worry; no interruption at all.

Deboogle!.
10-21-2005, 07:47 PM
So the Lyon draw was finally posted when I was at class.

andy's draw is tough. Well he opens againt Ascione a WC and if he can't beat him then the problems are worse than we imagined. Then Benneteau (who's been in a big slump lately) or a Qualie. QF will be tough - either Ancic or James (who play each other in R1 :()

SF he's seeded for Ljubicic, but he will most likely pull out so it could be Robby or Malisse or someone like that.

The bottom half is probably easier but this is a weaker event so IMO no one in this field should be able to beat Andy. Of course *should* is the operative word here.

snaillyyy
10-21-2005, 07:51 PM
I have given up speculating how he is going to do :(, who knows anymore, but on paper he SHOULD be able to do it. In some ways I am glad he doesn't have an easy draw but I guess we will just have to see. Cross our fingers and wait:sad: :(

tangerine_dream
10-21-2005, 08:08 PM
With regards to Andy playing Lyon: I am still in "whatever" mode.

Jennay
10-21-2005, 08:12 PM
Aww, I didn't mean to get him sick. :( :o :p

Well, he really should win at least two rounds. That's a start.

snaillyyy
10-21-2005, 08:14 PM
Jen, that would be a lovely start...then again I will be happy with one win at this point.

Deboogle!.
10-21-2005, 08:17 PM
thing is, winning 2 rounds at a tourney like this doesn't help him at all. Winning the title barely helps him points-wise but at least it's winning a title...

If he's only gonna win 2 rounds, there's not much point of playing.

blosson
10-21-2005, 09:16 PM
:awww: How boring, we don't see Andy playing tennis for ages now.
When we think he will do a come back, he does a move back :awww:

Allez Allez Allez

ps. Robby will reach Andy very soon considering the way he's playing.

Deboogle!.
10-21-2005, 09:19 PM
Tennis-X suggested the same thing... though they're just now suggesting he has mental problems???
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Andy Roddick and Co.
Sure Andy Roddick has lost three straight tour matches (not counting Davis cup play) -- in the Masters Series-Cincy final (l. to Roger Federer), the first round at the US Open (l. to a red-hot Gilles Muller), and this week at the Masters Series-Madrid where he was served off the court by Croatian giant "Dr." Ivo Karlovic. Tough losses all, though factor in the deer-in-the-headlights look A-Rod had against Muller at Flushing Meadows, and the fact the tiebreak loss to Karlovic is the kind of match the equally-huge-serving Roddick usually wins...and it could be a mental meltdown period for the former No. 1 (and his oft-second-guessed coach Dean Goldfine). Changes in store for 2006? Robby Ginepri, James Blake or Taylor Dent (all currently ranked in the Top 30) claiming the top-ranked American spot in 2006? Take note of Robby, who this summer took a set off of Federer, reached the US Open semis, and today muscled his way into the Masters Series-Madrid semis as the No. 16 seed.

blosson
10-21-2005, 09:26 PM
Robby is going deep into every tourney and could well de-throne Andy as number one American player... that will hurt Andy like hell.
Robby is on his way to the top 10.

Deboogle!.
10-21-2005, 09:28 PM
Well then he needs to do something about it, doesn't he?

If he continues to show apathy, my caring will start to wane quickly as well.

Thing is, Andy has almost triple the points that Robby does right now (and the race is close to double). We just have the recency effect for our memories.

tangerine_dream
10-21-2005, 09:31 PM
If he's only gonna win 2 rounds, there's not much point of playing.
Yep. He has to win the title for this to count for anything. A title is a title.

His draw looks pretty good. It isn't nearly as tough as the Madrid draw (thank god Ivo the Giant is not here) but it'll have it's challenges. By the time he reaches Ivan in the semis, his confidence should be back up to near normal and then he will have his vengeance. :)

But if Ljubo's not available to kick around, then Andy can focus on Robby.

Deboogle!.
10-21-2005, 09:33 PM
Well if James is really playing as well as everyone says he was, he'll beat Andy in the QF.

We don't even know if Andy's going to be well enough to play. If he actually has the flu, it's doubtful, though a potential Wednesday start could help. He needs a couple rounds to get his rhythm back, and matches like Ascione and Benneteau or a Qualie are definitely what he needs. But they're not pushover players, and they're French guys playing at home so they may "overperform" so he still has got to be careful.

tangerine_dream
10-21-2005, 09:39 PM
If Robby does catch up to Andy in the points race, I think that will finally light the fire under Andy's ass that he's been needing for a while. The boys are very competitive with each other and rather than be hurt or sad, I think Alfa Andy would fight hard to reclaim his dominance over his Beta Buddies. :)

blosson
10-21-2005, 09:41 PM
but Andy hasn't been winning points lately anyway. He had and still has such a good chance to earn some points to make sure he ends the year at number 3 behind Rafa and in front of Lleyton...

Deboogle!.
10-21-2005, 09:42 PM
I'd rather it not be Robby catching up to him that finally lights a fire under his ass, but it's so frustrating now that I'll take anything that gets him going.

blosson
10-21-2005, 09:46 PM
I hope Andy can run fast so no one catches him. I'm happy for Robby and his improvement but everytime I see him doing well I can't help thinking that it should be Andy in his place :awww:

Deboogle!.
10-21-2005, 09:55 PM
I hope Andy can run fast so no one catches him. I'm happy for Robby and his improvement but everytime I see him doing well I can't help thinking that it should be Andy in his place :awww:If Andy had beaten him as he should have in Indy, I'm not sure Robby would be on the same roll he is now. I'm sure he'd still have had a good summer and whatnot, but that was a huge mental breakthrough for Robby to save MPs and come back from a set down against a guy he'd never beaten before since they were kids.

So, it's all kind of ironic, isn't it?

blosson
10-21-2005, 10:05 PM
yeah ironic :awww:

16681
10-21-2005, 10:11 PM
I hope Andy can run fast so no one catches him. I'm happy for Robby and his improvement but everytime I see him doing well I can't help thinking that it should be Andy in his place :awww:
You know as strange as it sounds and as much as I love Robby I'm thinking the same thing that it should be Andy in his place. Andy has been American Tennis for sometime now and even for a supporter of another player it's still like what has happened to Andy :confused:

blosson
10-21-2005, 10:12 PM
Damn Andy, Nalbandian who has like a crappy-sh serve has won a TB over Ivo :(

Deboogle!.
10-21-2005, 10:17 PM
Damn Andy, Nalbandian who has like a crappy-sh serve has won a TB over Ivo :(Did you see the match though? Nalbandian was reading the serve like a book, getting so many of them back in play, so Karlovic made more errors. The thing is - having a crappy serve doesn't even matter against Karlovic, he's such a bad returner it's almost irrelevant, b/c eeven if he can get more of the serves back, Nalbandian is far too good off the ground and has far too good passing shots to be troubled on his own serve against a guy like Ivo. Andy's returning is the bigger problem than his serve.

blosson
10-21-2005, 10:30 PM
So what happens to Lleyton when he plays Ivo? I mean Lleyton is such a good returner, probably better than David. :confused:

To answer your question, no I did not see the match. Like many I lost a bit of interest in the tourney due to some guy called Andrew.

Deboogle!.
10-21-2005, 10:31 PM
Lleyton guesses. Nalbandian was actually reading it. Nalbandian also has a better BH down the line.

blosson
10-21-2005, 11:08 PM
Zeeeee that Avarillo guy said he heard humours that Andy's illness is nightparty illness... hehehe ha Andy,

Deboogle!.
10-21-2005, 11:10 PM
I'm not sure what a 'nightparty illness' is but if he means a hangover.... I think Andy drinks enough to probably not be THAT sick the next day, to the point where James's site would say he can't keep food down.

Maybe I just overestimate him, but I just don't believe that he'd be so stupid to do that during a tourney, even if it's only doubles that he has to play.

Carito_90
10-21-2005, 11:17 PM
Okay now I'm seriously like.. dissapointed of Andy. Sigh.

PinkFeatherBoa
10-21-2005, 11:18 PM
Der, der, der, der, der, der, der , der , der!

That was supposed to be Andy cancaning, well it made sense in my head so.. :p

I have low expectations for Lyon, I just hope he can win the 1st 2 matches, and regain something semi-resembling confidence.

blosson
10-21-2005, 11:23 PM
Der, der, der, der, der, der, der , der , der!

That was supposed to be Andy cancaning, well it made sense in my head so.. :p



he's still in Spain so he was probably taking some flamenco lessons and ate some tapas con quejo :lol:

Deb, I don't know. Since he lost his brains I don't know what to think anymore :lol: EDIT. The only Andy image I have is the one from your av.

Deboogle!.
10-21-2005, 11:24 PM
He's lost his brains on court. He knew they were gonna lose to Llodra/Santoro, he knew he could go party right after that. I just refuse to believe that he'd be so stupid. As for it being a rumor, well lots of stuff is a rumor. doesn't make it true at all lol.

blosson
10-21-2005, 11:26 PM
did I write "humours" :haha: I need to go back to primary school!

Carito_90
10-21-2005, 11:28 PM
Deb, I can totally picture him getting absolutely wasted and not being able to play the next day, unfortunately. I don't know :shrug:

Deboogle!.
10-21-2005, 11:42 PM
I don't know either. Unconfident? yes. but unprofessional? no. And people may not like Dean but he has a reputation as someone who'd never put up with that kind of shit.

I'd also suggest that if it were a SINGLES QF instead of a doubles QF today, that he would have played. I mean, he was pretty sick when he played RG last year... no one suggested he went out and got wasted then. I dunno, I just can't imagine him doing something THAT dumb and then bailing on his buddy on top of it. He respects James too much, IMO.

Tytta!.
10-22-2005, 12:01 AM
I agree with Deb... I really can't see Andy doing that with James... He can be dumb, but not that dumb...

Guess we're the only ones that don't believe it's true :lol:

J. Corwin
10-22-2005, 12:06 AM
Night party illness? I actually didn't take that as being hungover or whatnot. I took that as he was out late and wishes to sleep in more and party more with his time off. :lol: But I agree he wouldn't do that to James...or at least I think. :)

I don't even look at the draws anymore lol. Andy can win any match (sans v. Roger) and lose any match these days. So it doesn't matter to me lol. I just know he is capable of winning it and maybe FINALLY Andy can win his first career fall indoor title. :retard:

PinkFeatherBoa
10-22-2005, 12:06 AM
OK, I think i'm up to speed now.Andy has been accused of 'Nightsickness', the mysterious disease of the night.

I don't buy into that either, for much the reasons stated before.

snaillyyy
10-22-2005, 12:12 AM
I just don't see Andy being that nasty to James.

Carito_90
10-22-2005, 12:13 AM
Aww, I didn't mean to get him sick. :( :o :p


:haha: :haha:

tangerine_dream
10-22-2005, 01:15 AM
Oh please. Who started this latest bogus rumor? Sjengster of "Deb hates Nalby" fame? :rolleyes:

Andy partying the night before a match? What's a "party?" Having one beer with James or having many beers with groupies in the hotel suite? Come on. Andy does not have a reputation for partying on nights that he shouldn't be partying and he certainly wouldn't do something that might affect his doubles partner. Andy can be a dork but he's not stupid nor has he ever been known to be unprofessional like that.

On another note: Deb, I need your help for suicide: who was looking sharper out there today? Nadal or Nalbandian? How does Ivan look? Does he look like he could handle the SF and then the final or is he done for? I want to get the suicide finals but it's hard to pick a player when you haven't seen how they're playing. *whine* :awww:

Sjengster
10-22-2005, 01:17 AM
OK, you fingered me fair and square. But don't blame me when Andy's bucolic nature comes back to haunt him. ;)

My two cents on the matches today: hard to choose between Nadal and Nalbandian, both were playing attacking opponents but they're still very different match-ups. Nadal was threatened a lot on his serve in the first set but gutsed it out in the TB, Nalbandian wasn't challenged remotely after saving a couple of breakpoints early on. He looks sharp, obviously on the return and with his crisp passing shots, but you can't judge a player's form too much by how they perform against Karlovic, he poses unique problems.

Ljubicic came through with sheer will and determination, steadily getting his game back together and becoming more solid on his service games. To be honest I would bet on the same result as last year's semi, Nalbandian will get back too many serves and make him play too many long rallies.

Deboogle!.
10-22-2005, 01:22 AM
LOL Tangy, you crack me up. I agree with you though. But I think even for anyone who thinks ANDY is capable of doing something, I just don't think he would do it to James. His respect for James is IMMENSE and I just don't think he'd do that to him.

Anyway, as for suicide... Nalbandian looked incredibly sharp out there today from what I saw. I feel that if he can handle Karlovic's serve, he should certainly be able to handle Ljubicic's. Of course, Ljubicic has a better all-around game, but he's looking tired (I only saw a little of his match today, though.). Gonzo had a real shot to take him out today. I think Robby will have trouble with someone like rafa who will get so many of his balls back, and also Rafa is really feeding off the crowd and playing with a lot of energy, and he is moving fine out there despite whatever is wrong with his knees.

So make of that what you will and keep in mind I didn't see any of today's matches in full and I'm only one person's opinion :p

tangerine_dream
10-22-2005, 01:23 AM
Tennis-X suggested the same thing... though they're just now suggesting he has mental problems???
Well it's about damn time that tennis-x started paying attention to what we've been saying for THE PAST TWELVE MONTHS. The fans here at MTF are more-up-to-date than any of these other tennis websites, including Andy's official site. ;) :smoke:

btw, I've noticed that many drive-by Roddick fans are now starting to regurgitate the same "Andy needs to see a sports shrink" talk in GM that we've been saying forever. How much longer before it reaches the legit sports press? :p

tangerine_dream
10-22-2005, 01:39 AM
LOL Tangy, you crack me up. I agree with you though. But I think even for anyone who thinks ANDY is capable of doing something, I just don't think he would do it to James. His respect for James is IMMENSE and I just don't think he'd do that to him.
I agree. Maybe if it were Andy playing a singles match the next day (in other words, a match that would affect only him), then I could possibly believe it. But the fact that his behavior would've affected James the next day as well pretty much confirmed for me that the rumor was just that: a rumor. And a bad one, too. Probably from the Spanish press, no doubt. ;)

Anyway, as for suicide... Nalbandian looked incredibly sharp out there today from what I saw. I feel that if he can handle Karlovic's serve, he should certainly be able to handle Ljubicic's. Of course, Ljubicic has a better all-around game, but he's looking tired (I only saw a little of his match today, though.). Gonzo had a real shot to take him out today. I think Robby will have trouble with someone like rafa who will get so many of his balls back, and also Rafa is really feeding off the crowd and playing with a lot of energy, and he is moving fine out there despite whatever is wrong with his knees.
Thanks for the info. It does help. It sounds to me like Nalbandian and Ginepri are the fresher of the four remaining, and Ivan and Rafael are getting by on sheer determination. Whether that's enough to win the final... :shrug:

Interestingly, Nalby has not met with either Ginepri or Rafa yet but if he's playing as well as everyone says he is, and Rafa's tired, then he could win this. I would be very surprised if Ivan won this title; he's got to be exhausted by now and the other three are just as hungry for a title. I'm expecting a battle between Rafa and Robby. I think David will beat Ivan tomorrow.

Gah. I think I'm screwed. I have no choice but to pick Rafa and hope for the best. Although I would love to see Robby win this small European title right on the heels of James' Stockholm win. :D

NicoFan
10-22-2005, 01:46 AM
I came over to say to Debstah yet again how annoying those haters are on GM, and see this about the "rumor".

For what its worth - the way I look at these rumors from fans is that fans don't know sh*t. lol!

You may have already heard this, but Fernando Gonzalez was on Center Court - and he said the player he likes playing most is Andy - says that Andy is a good winner and a good loser. Sounded like he has a lot of respect for Andy.

And that's what I've been saying on GM for awhile - again fans opinions are worth sh*t - I go by what the other players say - they're the ones that see each other on a daily basis - they know the "good" guys vs. the a*sholes.

To be honest - even if it was true - and don't think that it is - I'm not judging Andy. He's usually always professional - everyone screws up now and again - I'm not perfect, and I don't expect him to be.

But that's my humble opinion...lol!

And hope he feels better!

Deboogle!.
10-22-2005, 01:52 AM
I came over to say to Debstah yet again how annoying those haters are on GM, and see this about the "rumor".LOL. yeah. I'm remembering quickly why I stopped going there, that's for sure lol
You may have already heard this, but Fernando Gonzalez was on Center Court - and he said the player he likes playing most is Andy - says that Andy is a good winner and a good loser. Sounded like he has a lot of respect for Andy.I saw this and I know I mentioned it to at least one person on MSN but I don't think I ever posted it here, so thanks :) Gonzo seemed sincere, and actually he is not the only player who has said something like that - Roger has as well. I will trust RogerGod before some rumor running around the tournament volunteers:)And that's what I've been saying on GM for awhile - again fans opinions are worth sh*t - I go by what the other players say - they're the ones that see each other on a daily basis - they know the "good" guys vs. the a*sholes.if FAN opinions are worth shit, what are HATER opinions worth? ;)

Anyway, thanks for stopping by again :)

and tangy, glad I could help. Based on what I Saw today, David should beat Ljubicic tomorrow. But again, who knows what will actually happen.

renee_chin
10-22-2005, 02:08 AM
thing is, winning 2 rounds at a tourney like this doesn't help him at all. Winning the title barely helps him points-wise but at least it's winning a title...

If he's only gonna win 2 rounds, there's not much point of playing.

The way I see it - a win is a win for him now. It may not boost anything ranking/points-wise, BUT hopefully, he'll be gaining in confidence. It's been like a yo-yo this year - great one moment, total flop the next. :sad:

Hopefully with the models gone now, mean Andy will be back... :devil:

Hope the flu isn't that too serious though...

NicoFan
10-22-2005, 02:26 AM
if FAN opinions are worth shit, what are HATER opinions worth? ;)


I'm like a bad penny, I keep coming back...lol!!!

That was fun teaming up on the haters on GM...the anti-haters have to do that more often... :angel:

Havok
10-22-2005, 02:45 AM
Am I the only one who sees this Ginepri streak as a HUGE fluke? I mean the guy is good, but he should hover around the top 20 spot throughout his career and like NEVER make another GS semis ever again. Possible QF but imo that's even pushing it :tape:. Anyways the only player who can take out Roddick for the top USA spot is Andre, but the guy is old and doesn't play a proper schedule so unless Andy is losing 1r EVERYWHERE, there's no way in hell or no other American good enough to top him for that spot quite frankly. Roddick can play like CRAP and still win titles/get deep in slams. Ginepri/Blake and co need to play their very best to even get a shot at say a 4r/QF appearance. Just please get back your demeanor on court and play some good power tennis!

Deboogle!.
10-22-2005, 02:49 AM
No Naldo you are not the only one who thinks it could be a fluke.

Winston's Human
10-22-2005, 03:33 AM
Am I the only one who sees this Ginepri streak as a HUGE fluke? I mean the guy is good, but he should hover around the top 20 spot throughout his career and like NEVER make another GS semis ever again. Possible QF but imo that's even pushing it :tape:. Anyways the only player who can take out Roddick for the top USA spot is Andre, but the guy is old and doesn't play a proper schedule so unless Andy is losing 1r EVERYWHERE, there's no way in hell or no other American good enough to top him for that spot quite frankly. Roddick can play like CRAP and still win titles/get deep in slams. Ginepri/Blake and co need to play their very best to even get a shot at say a 4r/QF appearance. Just please get back your demeanor on court and play some good power tennis!

Ginepri probably cannot sustain his momentum. However, it would be nice to have another younger American in the top 10 because it might take some of the press attention away from Andy.

Who knows. A little rankings pressure from Ginepri might spur Andy's pride to overcome his current mental lapses.

Golfnduck
10-22-2005, 02:09 PM
I watched Andy's match against Ferrero from Cincy this summer. His volleying was good especially in the 3rd set. What impressed me was his forehand. Lately it seems like he's been laying off it and not hitting with as much power. Andy hit a few blistering forehands, one of which almost knocked Ferrero's racquet out of his hand. Andy was very fired up in the 2nd set tb and the 3rd. I think Dean needs to show Andy that last set and a half to some him how to play with emotion Andy. Please bring back pissy Andy.

Deboogle!.
10-22-2005, 02:37 PM
Yeah, that was one of the better weeks he's had all year I think. I agree, show it to him. :awww:

Deboogle!.
10-22-2005, 03:18 PM
well James's site says he arrived in Lyon today, so hopefully he and Andy went together:)

blosson
10-22-2005, 03:54 PM
So it's cancan time for the boys. Oh la la.

athena_wu
10-22-2005, 04:15 PM
well James's site says he arrived in Lyon today, so hopefully he and Andy went together:)

Hopefully, they should be together.

I wish Andy is better now. :worship:

tangerine_dream
10-22-2005, 05:05 PM
Good morning everyone :wavey:

My hand is killing me. It's flaming up with tendonitis again. Too much typing I guess. I wanted to chat with you all on MSN :awww:

I can't believe David lost. The one time I put a lot of vcash on him and he crashes out to Ivan, who doesn't seem to get tired. He is so obviously on drugs. :rolleyes: :mad: ;)

Rafa won, but not easily. Heh. I knew Robby wouldn't roll over. Excellent run for Robby anyway :bigclap: And I agree Winston, if Andy finds Robby breathing down his neck in the Top 10 that might spur him on to finally fix whatever's been broken. :devil:

Jennay
10-22-2005, 05:26 PM
David :sad:.
I watched Andy's match against Ferrero from Cincy this summer. His volleying was good especially in the 3rd set. What impressed me was his forehand. Lately it seems like he's been laying off it and not hitting with as much power. Andy hit a few blistering forehands, one of which almost knocked Ferrero's racquet out of his hand. Andy was very fired up in the 2nd set tb and the 3rd. I think Dean needs to show Andy that last set and a half to some him how to play with emotion Andy. Please bring back pissy Andy.
Thank you for reminding me I need to buy this match.

cobalt60
10-22-2005, 07:10 PM
Good luck to Andy. I am wishing that the Americans do very very well here. ;)

Noelle
10-23-2005, 12:31 AM
Some people have no life. :( Look at the comments I got on that Top Ten thing.
http://noelledeg.blogspot.com/2005/10/atp-top-ten.html

cobalt60
10-23-2005, 02:17 PM
It is ok Noelle! You did a great job making that in table form. Thanks.

melissa7
10-23-2005, 02:42 PM
Aww Noelle, you did a good job with the table... I don't see the point of posting crap comments in a blog. A blog is supposed to be about whatever you want it to be, so I don't know where this person gets off saying you need to get a life.

blosson
10-23-2005, 04:38 PM
That was a fast flu.


Bonjour Andy!
By Jen Moschella
2005-10-23

After recovering from the flu, Andy hopped a flight to Lyon, France, where he will play this week in the Grand Prix de Tennis de Lyon. He is currently fine-tuning his game and warming up his shoes on the Taraflex carpet surface with coach Dean Goldfine.

Andy received the #1 seed, with two Argentinians seeded second and third; Mariano Puerta and Gaston Gaudio. The 2001 Champion Ivan Llubicic is seeded #4. In Andy's half of the draw are friends and fellow American's James Blake and Robby Ginepri (8). Andy's first round match is against Wild Card Frenchman Thierry Acione. Andy will be looking to capture the 300th career win that escaped him last week.

The Grand Prix de Tennis de Lyon was founded 19 years ago by Gilles Moretton. Andy and Moretton share a similar outlook on the sport. As Andy takes each tournament one match at a time, Moretton takes this tournament one year at a time. "Each year is a challenge, and once you achieve that challenge, you think about the next, and the next..."Moretton noted on the tournament's success.

Andy will be playing for 45 ATP race points and for nearly $115,000 before he skips over to Paris. To follow Andy in Lyon with live scoring, go to www.gptennislyon.com. Stay tuned to AR.com for the Order of Play and Andy's action in Lyon.

Go Andy!

Deboogle!.
10-23-2005, 05:00 PM
It was probably one of those quick 24 or 48-hour things from food that we can all get. Makes you feel awful for a couple days but then you're fine....

blosson
10-23-2005, 05:25 PM
Hopefully he's fine and can finally take the title this time. I just cannot accept anything less than a tourney win at Lyon.

Deboogle!.
10-23-2005, 05:28 PM
Yeah, I agree. But I don't think he will win. Unless he suddenly and magically finds form. On current form, James will beat him.

Anyway, he doesn't play tomorrow so maybe Tuesday. He'll probably play at night, being the #1 seed and playing a French

blosson
10-23-2005, 06:56 PM
How painful is to be an Andy fan.

(woot to Rafa for coming back from 2 sets down!) When was the last time Andy did that? USO 03?

blosson
10-23-2005, 09:14 PM
Woot. Andy is still a favourite to win Paris with the folks at GM. Woot. :lol:
*praying for Ivo to be in somebody else's draw*

Fumus
10-23-2005, 09:15 PM
I think Andy had a case of the Idontwannaplaydoubles flu, it's quite common for tennis players of his age and stature.

Caren
10-23-2005, 09:29 PM
Why, why, why, why Mr Andrew Stephen Roddick, do you suck so badly when i have the chance of actually watching you play tennis live on TV :mad: . No doubt you'll probably lose first round this week seeing as my crappy sports channel has decided to show this tournament. :rolleyes:

I wonder if i just didn't watch this week, he'd win :confused:

Carito_90
10-24-2005, 12:30 AM
Ah Caren, I've tried that too. Doesn't work, he sucks all the same :p


I hope I'm getting at least the QFs or SFs on Lyon... I know I'm getting Basel in one channel but there's another one which could cover Lyon so yeah :shrug:

I better hope Andy makes it that far :rolleyes:

Caren
10-24-2005, 12:37 AM
I just hope he makes it past the first round :(

Carito_90
10-24-2005, 12:54 AM
He's playing some serious nobody. If he loses, I will like... I don't know. Fly there and stab him in the back or something. :shrug:

acoffeygirl
10-24-2005, 04:55 AM
Can we just have a decent tennis week.....I would really appreciate it. kthanksbye!

renee_chin
10-24-2005, 07:26 AM
I'm not at all optimistic, despite the draw - maybe it's a good sign... :shrug:

Whatever the pattern/habit that he's developed this year, I hope we'll be getting a new one next year - i.e., one where he'll play a lot on Sundays and get lots of the larger vases or fruit bowls or silverware, whatever that is handed out that weekend... :o

Noelle
10-24-2005, 09:48 AM
:ras: I'll be getting Basel instead of Lyon on TV.

:hug: Thanks to everyone for making me feel better about my blog. :) Hopefully I'll have a lot of good things to say about Andy when I make a year-end report on the Top Ten.

:bounce:

MissFairy
10-24-2005, 09:57 AM
Fly there and stab him in the back or something. :shrug:
You're too late Caro. His talent already stabbed him in the back. Repeatedly.

It's WANTED. But uh, does it even exist? :sobbing:

snaillyyy
10-24-2005, 12:31 PM
Well let's hope Andy is ready, hate to admit my expectations are low:o , also according to his site Ivan is going to Lyon:rolleyes:

Deboogle!.
10-24-2005, 01:41 PM
hahaha look what the vbettors think

http://menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=58162

Golfnduck
10-24-2005, 03:13 PM
I may have to put down alot of money on this one. I have faith he can win this match, and hopefully have a decent showing.

snaillyyy
10-24-2005, 07:31 PM
http://www.gptennislyon.com/R0_media/R0-1_fr/R0-1-1_public/R0-1-3_page_actualite/Roddick.jpg

Still liking the backwards cap:p

Fumus
10-24-2005, 07:44 PM
What time is the match? All my money is on Andy!!

Andy hasn't lost back to back matches in a long long time(B4 CINNCY FINAL AND USO 1ST ROUND). He's one of the best rebounders in tennis. Rebound time!! Andy better not be lyon on a losers bed tonite.

acoffeygirl
10-24-2005, 08:32 PM
James :sad:

Anyone know the OOP for tomorrow yet?

snaillyyy
10-24-2005, 08:33 PM
:sad:yea to James.... I havn't seen the OOP yet

EDIT: just saw it :lol: he plays at 0630pm local time (1130am CST)

Fumus
10-24-2005, 08:43 PM
:sad:yea to James.... I havn't seen the OOP yet

EDIT: just saw it :lol: he plays at 0630pm local time (1130am CST)

so 10:30 EST Andy plays. :)

nobama
10-24-2005, 08:50 PM
James. :sad: Crap. It was fun seeing him and Robby doing well outside of the US. Hopefully Robby will fare better.

acoffeygirl
10-24-2005, 09:09 PM
so 10:30 EST Andy plays. :)

I'm not the best at figuring out time zone stuff...but I think it would be 12:30 on the east coast.....

warmy
10-24-2005, 09:12 PM
I'm not the best at figuring out time zone stuff...but I think it would be 12:30 on the east coast.....


:hug:
Me neither.
Timeticker (http://www.timeticker.com/) :worship:

guida
10-24-2005, 09:58 PM
Andy hasn't lost back to back matches in a long long time(B4 CINNCY FINAL AND USO 1ST ROUND). He's one of the best rebounders in tennis. Rebound time!! Andy better not be lyon on a losers bed tonite.

May the tennis gods hear you. :scared:

warmy
10-24-2005, 10:02 PM
May the tennis gods hear you. :scared:

JesusFeds is always listening.

PinkFeatherBoa
10-24-2005, 10:03 PM
Glad Andy got a evening match, hopefully I might get to see it on Eurosport.

guida
10-24-2005, 10:08 PM
JesusFeds is always listening.

:lol:

surfpinky
10-24-2005, 10:46 PM
JesusFeds is always listening.
no, lord carlos.

Deboogle!.
10-24-2005, 10:50 PM
Yea, Eastern time is LATER than Central. Anyway, good scheduling for me. Cool, no class til 11:15am tomorrow :cool: this works out well, assuming Andy wins in 90 minutes or less :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :unsure: :rolleyes:

Honestly if he has any trouble with someone ranked 95 in the world who needed a WC and stuff, the problems are even bigger than we had already imagined. The score should be no worse than 6-4, 6-4 or something, and the only reason I'll let him get away with only one break per set is b/c Ascione is French playing in front of his home crowd.

guida
10-24-2005, 10:54 PM
no, lord carlos.

:lol:

I don't really care who it is, as long as he helps Andy... :p

Deb, fingers crossed! :scared:

snaillyyy
10-25-2005, 12:01 AM
I am not even giving him 90 mins to win this one. I have to leave at 1230p and I want to know he has won before I leave!!!!

nkhera1
10-25-2005, 01:52 AM
Does anyone have the full draws and timings. Thanks in advance and sorry if it is already posted, but i'm too lazy to check :ras:

Deboogle!.
10-25-2005, 01:56 AM
Tuesday's OP: http://menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=58361
Full draw: http://menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=57923

If that's not what you were actually asking for, I'm sorry :(

Noelle
10-25-2005, 01:57 AM
:scared:

Golfnduck
10-25-2005, 01:58 AM
COME ON ANDY!!!!!! I really hope he comes out firing.

nkhera1
10-25-2005, 02:09 AM
Tuesday's OP: http://menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=58361
Full draw: http://menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=57923

If that's not what you were actually asking for, I'm sorry :(


Thats exactly what I was looking for. Thank you.

As for Roddick's draw he has a pretty easy first and second round though it picks up against Ancic. Toughest test will be Ljubicic but if he gets through he *should* be able to take the final. However we just need to take this one step at a time or make Roddick play a full clay schedule next year because that seems to be his best surface as of late. :devil:

renee_chin
10-25-2005, 02:11 AM
I say have a full grass-court season :devil:

superpinkone37
10-25-2005, 02:13 AM
I bet 2 bucks on Ascione. I'm a bad Andy fan. :o

Deboogle!.
10-25-2005, 02:15 AM
I did too :(

Golfnduck
10-25-2005, 02:17 AM
Bad Andy fans *tisk tisk* I bet $100 on Andy, I know he'll do it.

Noelle
10-25-2005, 02:21 AM
OK, since I have vCash to burn I will bet a lot on Andy. I bet 153 vCash $. ;)

Agassi Fan
10-25-2005, 10:37 AM
Andy will win.

Black Adam
10-25-2005, 01:11 PM
Good luck Andy!
I have noticed that Andy's concetration had been following a certain patern since summer. a pretty sad one :mad: :sad: :banghead:
Indy =Quarters
Washington=Win
Montreal= Fist Round
Cincy=Final
USO= First Round
DC= Two important wins
Madrid=First Round
Lyon=?
Paris=?
Shanghai=?

He is failing to follow up a good performance with another one but after a faillure he has a good performance so Andy should do well in Shanghai and Lyon but Geeeezzzz :banghead: This is a sick situation! The good part is he is still able to get up after a bad performance so we should now look for Consistency ;)
I will always beleive in you Andy GO ANDY:bounce:

Hope Mr Andrew Stephen Roddick improves this patern and get good results.
If he keeps the way he has been for the last few months Lyon and Shanghai are gonna be good for him:yeah:

tangerine_dream
10-25-2005, 03:59 PM
Please, Andy, just make it out of the first round this time. :o And no 7-6 6-4 bullshit scorelines either. You are world No. 3, it should be 1 and 2, k? Thanks. :(

Carito_90
10-25-2005, 04:13 PM
Nowadays, I don't care HOW, I just want him to WIN.

Angle Queen
10-25-2005, 04:16 PM
So is anyone here going to be able to watch it live? Or will I have to make do with OOP...since the scoreboard for Lyon is :retard:

Deboogle!.
10-25-2005, 04:17 PM
I think it's on in Europe, on Eurosport or something... I don't know if I can handle the live scoring thread :eek:

The match isn't gonna start on time anyway, the prior matches are lonnnnnnngggg

acoffeygirl
10-25-2005, 04:18 PM
The Lyon SB was making me crazy yesterday!! I'm guessing OOP will be the way I'll go.

melissa7
10-25-2005, 04:19 PM
The Lyon scoreboard is definitely :retard: ... I hate how it needs to be constantly refreshed. As if Livescoring isn't stressful enough as it is, especially with Andy.

I hope someone gets to watch it live!

partygirl
10-25-2005, 04:20 PM
hope we can scrounge pics...i have no chance of watching :unsure: :scared:

Angle Queen
10-25-2005, 04:22 PM
A poster, Smasher...is doing a great job of detailing the games...and I think is gonna do Andy's match too...in OOP.

acoffeygirl
10-25-2005, 04:29 PM
I have a horrible headache this morning....so Andy had better not make it worse! No messing around out there!

melissa7
10-25-2005, 04:31 PM
I blame Andy for breaking my laptop. I think my stress over whether or not he'll ever win again burnt it out. Damn him.

Angle Queen
10-25-2005, 04:33 PM
The Lyon scoreboard is definitely :retard: ... I hate how it needs to be constantly refreshed. You might want to check your popup blockers. After I'd had it open for a bit, it tried to open another browser window. When I allowed it, a new window did open...and seems to refresh itself...although just with the game score, not point-by-point.

melissa7
10-25-2005, 04:37 PM
You might want to check your popup blockers. After I'd had it open for a bit, it tried to open another browser window. When I allowed it, a new window did open...and seems to refresh itself...although just with the game score, not point-by-point.

Ah, thanks!! It's working now. Whew. I don't think I could've handled the match if I had to constantly refresh!

acoffeygirl
10-25-2005, 04:40 PM
I turned off the pop up blocker for this site so that it would refresh, but it still doesn't work for me for some reason.... :retard: It is probably user error! :lol:

Deboogle!.
10-25-2005, 04:43 PM
If you can stand it, the OP thread in the tourney forum has a couple people who have it on tv in europe. anyone can feel free to get on MSN Too :)

acoffeygirl
10-25-2005, 04:43 PM
:) I'm there! ;)

Angle Queen
10-25-2005, 04:44 PM
Hey Amber...try this link:

http://www.gptennislyon.com/R3_public/R3-1_fr/R3-1-10_scoring/R3-1-10-1_scoring/F3-1-10-1.cfm?u_i_central=43&U_I_simple=1

I can't really 'test' on my machine because I don't know how my cookies are set.

Angle Queen
10-25-2005, 04:45 PM
anyone can feel free to get on MSN Too :):sad: I wish. Maybe, shhhh, I can sneak on for a bit.

acoffeygirl
10-25-2005, 04:51 PM
Hey Amber...try this link:

http://www.gptennislyon.com/R3_public/R3-1_fr/R3-1-10_scoring/R3-1-10-1_scoring/F3-1-10-1.cfm?u_i_central=43&U_I_simple=1

I can't really 'test' on my machine because I don't know how my cookies are set.

Well right now it doesn't have anything up because we are in between matches. It looks just like the SB I have up except bigger....hmmmm

tangerine_dream
10-25-2005, 04:58 PM
If you can stand it, the OP thread in the tourney forum has a couple people who have it on tv in europe. anyone can feel free to get on MSN Too :)
For those of us who work for a living and have MSN chat blocked from our work computers, could somebody be kind enough to give us live updates in this thread please? :angel:

Angle Queen
10-25-2005, 04:59 PM
Andy 1*-0 ace to start, ace to end

Angle Queen
10-25-2005, 05:01 PM
Now 1-1

tangerine_dream
10-25-2005, 05:01 PM
Andy 1*-0 ace to start, ace to end
There's our Rocket Man. Let's go Andy. Get PISSED. :fiery: :banana:

Thanks for the scores, Angle Queen :kiss:

Angle Queen
10-25-2005, 05:01 PM
Hey Tang...can you try the link I posted earlier in this thread. Seems to be working now...but like I said, only for game scores (no points).

Angle Queen
10-25-2005, 05:03 PM
compliments of Smasher...

Andy *1-1

0-15 bh to the net
15-15 good serve
30-15 long return
40-15 ace
wide return

Game Andy 2-1

tangerine_dream
10-25-2005, 05:07 PM
Hey Tang...can you try the link I posted earlier in this thread. Seems to be working now...but like I said, only for game scores (no points).
I clicked on the link and got this:

GPTL 2005
.................................................. .................................................

Aucun match


That's all :shrug:

Angle Queen
10-25-2005, 05:17 PM
Sorry...it takes awhile....but I see you're over in OOP on occasion. Presume you'll get the scores from there.

tangerine_dream
10-25-2005, 05:19 PM
Eurosport's brilliant insights so far:

"Roddick is wearing kind of a scottish cap, it's interesting to watch...The same he had at the French Open last May where he lost to Jose Acasuso of Argentina in the second round..."

*cue the doomsday music* :rolleyes: :lol:

Caren
10-25-2005, 05:29 PM
Ok, Andy now would be a good time to break...7-5 scoreline i can just about handle, a tiebreak i might not :(

Angle Queen
10-25-2005, 05:34 PM
ask and ye shall receive. 7-5.

Caren
10-25-2005, 05:38 PM
Yeh i see :), i'm not going to abuse him for it yet though, he has to win another set. Either way, win or lose he's getting abuse :(

Caren
10-25-2005, 05:40 PM
ooooooooooooooooooooooo he's going for it now, broke early in the second set :)