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KIWI in Moscow!!! Kremlin Cup 2005!

knight_ley
10-06-2005, 10:47 PM
No draw yet, but with Safin and Puerta out it looks like Kiwi is going to be the #7 seed. Auf Gehts Kiwi !!!

:yeah:

kiwiteami
10-07-2005, 02:03 AM
He might not go.He is having problems getting his visa to go to russia with the new laws,especially if he has to go back a second time in a month.Poor baby.Meanwhile,even if i am sick like a dog right now,lets smile and all look at those new pics of him,in a suit! a real model.

kfh_9118
10-07-2005, 09:59 AM
I hope Kiwi will play Moscow.

JMG
10-07-2005, 11:22 AM
As I understand it only St.Petersburg is a problem at the moment because of the visa.

Neely
10-07-2005, 12:47 PM
As I understand it only St.Petersburg is a problem at the moment because of the visa.
Yes, that's how it is. Moscow is no problem, only St. Petersburg.

knight_ley
10-07-2005, 02:19 PM
Yes, that's how it is. Moscow is no problem, only St. Petersburg.

So he'll at least definately be in Moscow? Well at least that is good news and hopefully he can work out the mess with St. Petersburg.

Neely
10-07-2005, 03:17 PM
So he'll at least definately be in Moscow? Well at least that is good news and hopefully he can work out the mess with St. Petersburg.
As far as I understood the case now it is that you cannot ask for two visas in advance. He needs one for Moscow and it automatically becomes void when he leaves Russia for playing in Spain. And after playing in Madrid he would need another visa for St Petersburg for which he cannot apply anymore in time because it would need him to go in person to a Russian representation in Germany.

Germany and Russia are very important European trading partners to each other, so it's really crap that there are still so many complicated visa issues between these two countries.

Cool would be if he replaces St Petersburg by another tournament in this week. But I don't think it will happen and he would need a wildcard as the entry deadline is already over.

JMG
10-08-2005, 12:17 PM
Kiefer - Popp
Mayer - Burgsmüller
Gabashvili - Muller
Kirillov - Mirnyi

JMG
10-08-2005, 07:35 PM
Kiefer/Pavel - Goldstein/Thomas

JMG
10-09-2005, 04:37 PM
Monday match for Kiwi! Auf geht's! 4th match on court 1...

kiwifan80
10-09-2005, 06:13 PM
Good Luck Kiwi!!!!!!!!

I♥PsY@Mus!c
10-10-2005, 10:51 AM
Really dislike this draw,he,Max and Gilles are in the same section. :help:
Good luck to him! :D

Neely
10-10-2005, 02:47 PM
Kiwi wins 6-4 6-1

next round against Mayer

JMG
10-10-2005, 02:49 PM
Kiefer d. Popp 6-4 6-1

2nd round against Mayer. I hope he can defeat him this time.

Still no Semifinal this year. :o

JMG
10-10-2005, 02:50 PM
:eek: The winner gets 300 points here! Take it Kiwi!

kiwiteami
10-10-2005, 08:29 PM
Great win but i hope that he can win aginst Mayer cause I saw the match in miami and it wasn't pretty.He was not happy after the match when I talked to him so I,m pretty sure he wants to win badly.goodluck to him.

kiwifan80
10-11-2005, 06:16 AM
Don't know why he wudn't be happy with a 6-4, 6-1 win, but I guess he's just being a perfectionist. I believe he can beat Mayer. Good Luck!!!!!

JMG
10-11-2005, 06:24 PM
Kiefer/Pavel d. Goldstein/Thomas 5-2 5-4(7)

Neely
10-11-2005, 08:16 PM
Kiwi third match on court #2 against Mayer!

kek
10-12-2005, 12:02 AM
A tough match against Mayer but I'm sure he can pull it out :)

Neely
10-12-2005, 02:22 PM
2nd round:

Kiwi def. Mayer 6-4 6-3


Next round can be Mirnyi or Gabashvili. Mirnyi could be very uncomfortable because Kiwi didn't look good against serve and volleyers since long time and always had problems or lost. Good omen would be the 3-0 h2h. Gabashvili is unknown for me, I don't know about him.

kiwifan80
10-12-2005, 02:52 PM
Very routine- good job KIWI!!

knight_ley
10-12-2005, 02:56 PM
:bounce:

JMG
10-12-2005, 05:24 PM
His game looked okay on the webcam. Only a few ue's I think and he made 69% of the 2nd serve points. :yeah: Unfortunately Mirnyi came through. :sad: But it should be a 64 76 match for Kiwi.

kiwifan80
10-12-2005, 05:39 PM
Mirnyi sorta worries me cause of his huge serve and volley game. But as said before Kiwi does lead their head to heads. I just hope he can take advantage of any chances he gets on Max's serve.

JMG
10-13-2005, 06:50 PM
Hrbaty/Levinsky d. Kiefer/Pavel 0-5 5-4(3) 5-4(5)

I don't see any better player than Kiefer is the draw. Mirnyi's damn serve is a problem, but he has no chance from the baseline. I'm confident that it will be a succesful day tomorrow.

bavaria100
10-13-2005, 08:29 PM
Kiwi made it into the quarters. If his head is on straight, he should beat Max (especially in the bad form that he´s been in for the last couple of weeks/months). I watched Max´s last match on the internet and I was surprised, how off Max´s netgame was. He played much better from the baseline. We´ll see how Max will play tomorrow. I just don´t know, who I´ll root for, because both of them belong to my faves. But anyway, I wish Kiwi good luck for tomorrow!

kek
10-13-2005, 10:29 PM
I'm confident that Nicolas will beat Max tomorrow. I was more concerned about Florain and he beat him in straights so...

knight_ley
10-13-2005, 10:55 PM
:yeah:

Neely
10-14-2005, 01:07 AM
I don't see any better player than Kiefer is the draw.
Youzhny is the biggest thread IMO. Russian at home, Kiefer does not like to play him, has already 0-3 against him, overall Youzhny is something like 20-3 against Germans.

But first Mirnyi! Go Kiwi! :)

Neely
10-14-2005, 11:38 AM
The 3 hours and 13 minutes women's match before Kiwi's match was coming to end when Likhovtseva blew a 6-0 lead in the final set tiebreak to lose the match.

Finally, Kiwi is on court. Goo luck! :clap2: :)

kfh_9118
10-14-2005, 12:22 PM
Kiwi won the first set 6-3 :D

Neely
10-14-2005, 01:01 PM
Kiwi def. Mirnyi 6-3 6-4

great! :yeah:

first semifinal of the year :)

kfh_9118
10-14-2005, 01:03 PM
:woohoo:

Finally a SF appearance from Kiwi :bigclap:

Kiwi played really good in that match, very few errors ;)
Keep it up in the SF Kiwi :bounce:

I♥PsY@Mus!c
10-14-2005, 01:05 PM
Congrats to Kiwi, :clap2: he dominated this match! :p

Neely
10-14-2005, 01:06 PM
I didn't see much because the stream did not load well enough for me
but glad to hear that he played well

opponent will be of Pavel vs Kunitsyn

knight_ley
10-14-2005, 03:07 PM
:crazy:

knight_ley
10-14-2005, 03:13 PM
One picture from today! :yeah:

urbanjae
10-14-2005, 03:56 PM
YAY Kiwi!! :yippee:

rrfnpump
10-14-2005, 04:42 PM
well done, sexy Kiwy :p :lick:
this tournament his yours to win!

kiwifan80
10-14-2005, 05:07 PM
:woohoo:

Finally a SF appearance from Kiwi :bigclap:

Kiwi played really good in that match, very few errors ;)
Keep it up in the SF Kiwi :bounce:

I know it feels like it's been ages. So glad he's in the semis. Great win over Max. Looks like he's playin really solid tennis

Neely
10-14-2005, 07:51 PM
Kiwi vs Igor Kunitsyn tomorrow... I don't know anything about that guy, I think I've never seen him playing before!! Hopefully Kiwi is not afraid of the unknown :eek:

Somebody ever saw this guy playing or knows something about him, what makes him dangerous etc?

kiwiteami
10-14-2005, 09:20 PM
If you want to see more pics of Nicolas from today,go on the official website.There is a beautiful pic of him signing autographs..he looks hot! I would love to put the pic here but like usual don't know how! But good news,tomorrow i will have my new phone..with intermnet on it so I can have the scores even when I,m at work! lol

knight_ley
10-14-2005, 09:45 PM
Karine, I believe this is the picture you spoke of ;)

It is lovely :hearts:

kiwiteami
10-14-2005, 10:05 PM
Karine, I believe this is the picture you spoke of ;)

It is lovely :hearts:

Oh yes! :worship: Thanks Mary.He looks amazing on it.

kek
10-15-2005, 12:13 AM
He looks very thrilled to be signing autographs ;) Nice run he has had in Moscow. He has a great chance to get to the final playing a player who basically unknown. His nemesis is out (Youzhny) so there is absoultely no reason for him to not win this tournament.

kfh_9118
10-15-2005, 03:38 AM
Kiwi is surrounded by 3 Russian in the SF :scared:

I hope he will prevail in the end :angel:

Go Kiwi, can't wait to watch the match again online tonight
I love this tournament :bigclap:

I♥PsY@Mus!c
10-15-2005, 05:48 AM
He is my No.1 in this tournament now, :aplot: I don't know about his opponent,just hope Kiwi will win! :angel:

Neely
10-15-2005, 06:11 PM
Kiefer def. Kunitsyn 6-2 6-4

2nd set was with five breaks, three for Kiefer, two for Kunitsyn.
In the first set I tuned in a bit too late as the match already started, but I think Kiefer broke twice without losing serve to win this set.

It was quite solid from what I saw, Kunitsyn made enough errors. I'm not sure if this will be enough against Andreev. Especially one thing he could need against Andreev and which he didn't show in this match: backhand longline. Because I expect Andreev will play again 70% of the court with his forehand and if Kiwi can only play crosscourt on his backhand and not longline into the open court where Andreev is not standing, his game might get a bit too calculable.

But lets hope the best for tomorrow's final!

knight_ley
10-15-2005, 06:11 PM
KIWI IS IN THE FINAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :woohoo:

Dani, I guess me accidentally putting all $2000 of my vCash on him today wasn't such a bad thing ;)

AUF GEHTS KIWI !!!!!!!!!

:bounce:

:bounce:

:bounce:

rrfnpump
10-15-2005, 06:21 PM
:banana::banana: :dance: :banana::banana:

win this now, Kiwi
this title is yours!

JMG
10-15-2005, 07:00 PM
:worship:

2001 he lost against Kafelnikov in the final, this time he will win!!!

kiwifan80
10-15-2005, 08:01 PM
Woohooo!!!!!!! so glad he's in the final. An all- around solid performance. He picked up his game when he needed to:) Don't really know much bout Igor Andreev's game. Can anyone inform me? and/or tell me what Kiwi needs to do to win tomorrow to beat him?

zethand
10-15-2005, 08:06 PM
Come on Kiwi!!!! YOU ARE BETTER PLAYER!!! Go an WIN!!!!!

delsa
10-15-2005, 08:21 PM
I'm 100% behind you to win that final against Igor, Kiwi! :yeah:
Win the Kremlin Cup! :bounce:

Neely
10-15-2005, 08:54 PM
Woohooo!!!!!!! so glad he's in the final. An all- around solid performance. He picked up his game when he needed to:) Don't really know much bout Igor Andreev's game. Can anyone inform me? and/or tell me what Kiwi needs to do to win tomorrow to beat him?
I didn't watch how Andreev played this week, but normally Andreev plays huge and pressureful topspin forehands as much as possible from about three quarters of the court, 90% stuck to the basline normally. I expect a situation that we will often see tomorrow is going to be that Kiwi plays Andreev to his backhand side, Andreevs runs around and plays topspin forehand inside out to Kiwi's backhand. It can be difficult to get out of these situations and you can get easily caught in such rallies with Andreev commanding all the time, nailing you to your backhand side and then waiting for the ultimate winner against your direction or to your forehand (that's normally his favourie scheme, but not sure which concept he is following indoor). Therefore Kiwi backhand longline would be a very worthy shot to show Andreev that it can be costly for him if he leaves his forehand side too much neglected because he is normally positioned more to his backhand side, but Kiwi hardly plays that (I saw none good at all today).

Neely
10-15-2005, 08:57 PM
:worship:

2001 he lost against Kafelnikov in the final, this time he will win!!!
would be about time for him to break his final loss streak :sad:

kiwiteami
10-15-2005, 09:09 PM
Well I don,t have the final on tv here tomorrow but I,ll be up and on my internet to watch him..win,he has too! Come on people,we have to send positive energy all at the same time tomorrow.Our boy needs to win a tournament,it has been a long time.

urbanjae
10-15-2005, 09:43 PM
YAY, go Kiwi!!! :bigclap:

kiwifan80
10-15-2005, 11:43 PM
Some screencaps from the semis

kiwifan80
10-16-2005, 12:13 AM
More caps and pics

Semis:

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/brandon888/Nicolas%20Kiefer/_40913726_kiefer_ap_203.jpg

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/brandon888/Nicolas%20Kiefer/overhead-23.jpg

Quarters:

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/brandon888/Nicolas%20Kiefer/r1045919123.jpg

kiwifan80
10-16-2005, 12:29 AM
I didn't watch how Andreev played this week, but normally Andreev plays huge and pressureful topspin forehands as much as possible from about three quarters of the court, 90% stuck to the basline normally. I expect a situation that we will often see tomorrow is going to be that Kiwi plays Andreev to his backhand side, Andreevs runs around and plays topspin forehand inside out to Kiwi's backhand. It can be difficult to get out of these situations and you can get easily caught in such rallies with Andreev commanding all the time, nailing you to your backhand side and then waiting for the ultimate winner against your direction or to your forehand (that's normally his favourie scheme, but not sure which concept he is following indoor). Therefore Kiwi backhand longline would be a very worthy shot to show Andreev that it can be costly for him if he leaves his forehand side too much neglected because he is normally positioned more to his backhand side, but Kiwi hardly plays that (I saw none good at all today).

Thanx:), by longline do u mean down the line. sorry

knight_ley
10-16-2005, 01:15 AM
THANKS FOR THE PICTURES :)

I♥PsY@Mus!c
10-16-2005, 06:45 AM
Thanks kiwifan80! :hearts:
Kiwi hasn't won a title for a long time, :sad: now beat Andreev and take the new one! :rocker2:

kfh_9118
10-16-2005, 09:39 AM
I bet vcash $2000 on Kiwi :scared:

But I am confident he won't disappoint me ;)

Good luck Kiwi :bounce:

kfh_9118
10-16-2005, 09:41 AM
I really like Kiwi's shirt :bounce: It looks great, even better than the Adidas shirts he wore before

kfh_9118
10-16-2005, 01:34 PM
Kiwi is down *3-5 in the first set :(

Fight Kiwi :fiery:

kfh_9118
10-16-2005, 01:54 PM
Kiwi won the first set 7-5, fighting back from 3-5 down to win 4 games in a row :eek: :bigclap:

Now, keep concentrate and win the match, Kiwi :bounce:

knight_ley
10-16-2005, 02:25 PM
Come on Kiwi !!!!!!!!

kfh_9118
10-16-2005, 02:30 PM
Kiwi 7-5 4-1* (got a BP now)

He was winning 8 games in a row :bigclap:

kfh_9118
10-16-2005, 03:11 PM
Kiwi lost the second set 6-7(3), after leading 4-0 :sad:

what a turnaround luck for both players. First set for Kiwi and second set for Igor.

I hope Kiwi hasn't lost his hope and will fight back in the final set.
The long bathroom break taken by Igor at 1-4 has distracted Kiwi's focus unfortunately

kfh_9118
10-16-2005, 03:50 PM
Third set:

*1-4 (down one break serve)

I am so sad now :sad: Hope could Kiwi blow a very good chance to end his title drought :mad:

JMG
10-16-2005, 04:08 PM
:speakles: :mad:

kfh_9118
10-16-2005, 04:19 PM
Kiwi lost 2-6 in the final set :sad: :bigcry: :mad: :(

I still can't believe this is happening, after leading 7-5 4-0, then a BP opportunity to lead 5-1 in the second set :( Kiwi should blame himself for letting this happen. At first, I was so mad at Igor for taking this big timeout (bathroom and medical) when he was down 1-4 in the second set, and I was so afraid that it will affect Kiwi's focus. Well, stupid Kiwi to let it get to him and in the end (starting from the end of second set), he played too safe and let Igor dictated the match. Kiwi should play more aggresive and never let Igor got back to his game :sad: :(

Kiwi is clearly very very disappointed in the end after the match, he broke his racquet after the match, and in the final ceremony, he couldn't even smile :(
Poor Kiwi :sad:
Hope this won't affect his performance next in Madrid.

When will we finally see Kiwi win another title :sad:

knight_ley
10-16-2005, 04:37 PM
This is horrible news..... :sad:

rrfnpump
10-16-2005, 04:44 PM
I saw the match via live stream and I really dont know how Kiwi could lose this :(
he was so in control of the match, but somehow let it slip away!

Kiwi :smash:
thats what I call a choke

zethand
10-16-2005, 04:49 PM
Can we die now? Im so sad!

I♥PsY@Mus!c
10-16-2005, 05:01 PM
I didn't see most of the match becoz I was focusing on Ivan.How long did that Andreev take the big timeout? :fiery::fiery::fiery: I just hate him and his tactics in order to win the match! :rolleyes: Last time Gael was cheated by Djokovic :armed: and now it's his turn.ATP should shorten this timeout! :o Also lineman and umpire gave a mp to Andreev,the ball was clrealy out you know! :armed: Kiwi may play other tourney instead of this fucking shitty tourney next year. :mad: But Kiwi should take some responsibility for his loss too. :sad: Had a big lead but blew the chance...I saw him was so disappointed and angry after the loss,feel so upset for him.Poor Kiwi when will he win a title again? :sobbing:

knight_ley
10-16-2005, 05:02 PM
I am completely crushed.

rrfnpump
10-16-2005, 05:39 PM
I didn't see most of the match becoz I was focusing on Ivan.How long did that Andreev take the big timeout? :fiery::fiery::fiery: I just hate him and his tactics in order to win the match! :rolleyes: Last time Gael was cheated by Djokovic :armed: and now it's his turn.ATP should shorten this timeout! :o Also lineman and umpire gave a mp to Andreev,the ball was clrealy out you know! :armed: Kiwi may play other tourney instead of this fucking shitty tourney next year. :mad: But Kiwi should take some responsibility for his loss too. :sad: Had a big lead but blew the chance...I saw him was so disappointed and angry after the loss,feel so upset for him.Poor Kiwi when will he win a title again? :sobbing:

Kiwi took a 10 minutes time-out after 2nd set ..........

bavaria100
10-16-2005, 06:04 PM
I really can´t believe this. :banghead: He was leading 7-5, 4*-0 and blew it all away. :fiery: Somehow I get the feeling, that Kiwi is cursed when it comes to finals. He really has to work on his mentality. I mean, he hasn´t lost every final against a top player in the last 2 years (except for Roddick and maybe J. Johansson). He should have won at least today and last year against Spadea. I think it becomes more and more of a burden for him. He has to feel an unbelievable pressure when he steps out on the court to play in a final and I think it´s getting worse and worse from loss to loss. The point which gave the mp to Andreev was clearly out. :fiery: You have to be blind to overlook that. :mad: But we can´t change it anyway.

kiwifan80
10-16-2005, 06:08 PM
This is so sad. I don't even know what to say. I think it's funny how Andreev down 4-0 in the second takes an injury time-out. WTF, he obviously just wanted to break the momentum. And that's just what happened. I think during the Andreev's timeout, Kiwi prob started thinkn about how long it's been since he won a title. It's really a shame, because he had this in the bag. I just hope he can recover cuz this was a great tournament for him, until this point. He really deserved to win :sad: I wonder how this will affect him. If anyone catches an interview or anything-please post it

kiwifan80
10-16-2005, 06:19 PM
I really can´t believe this. :banghead: He was leading 7-5, 4*-0 and blew it all away. :fiery: Somehow I get the feeling, that Kiwi is cursed when it comes to finals. He really has to work on his mentality. I mean, he hasn´t lost every final against a top player in the last 2 years (except for Roddick and maybe J. Johansson). He should have won at least today and last year against Spadea. I think it becomes more and more of a burden for him. He has to feel an unbelievable pressure when he steps out on the court to play in a final and I think it´s getting worse and worse from loss to loss. The point which gave the mp to Andreev was clearly out. :fiery: You have to be blind to overlook that. :mad: But we can´t change it anyway.

Maybe he should get a sports psychologist

kek
10-16-2005, 06:51 PM
Unfortunately, Nicolas is mental I really thought he had the title. I saw the score 4-1 and at duece on Igor's serve, I really thought he had it. To be one 1 point and 1 game away from the title really sucks.

Maybe this will build on a good result next week.

kiwiteami
10-16-2005, 09:52 PM
I still can,t believe that he lost.Now you all know why Karen and I call him our mentalcase! He is like THAT! it is him..his personality.He practices and gets mad when he misses a ball and his eyes turn black.Come on,it is a practice.You can,t change a person.We all wanted him to win and at some point,all thought it was in the bag..but he lost.I think that he is not going to be in a good mood for a long time.Lets hope he does well in madrid.

Neely
10-16-2005, 10:21 PM
OMG, what a very bad way to lose a match.

Bavaria, that damn 7th title is a huge jinx for sure now. And building on finals losing streaks doesn't make it easier to win the next final. I can just hope some time he does it soon. It's nice to be in a final, but it sucks if you lose them the 8th time in a row already.

What can I say? I would like to think that this loss doesn't affect him, but I'm not sure about that.

A 4-0 lead just needs to be carried home, and he couldn't do it :sad: While guys like Ljubicic this week played their best tennis all time when the situation was huge, Kiwi got more and more intimidated as he saw that Andreev picked up his game and rallied back. Andreev's forehand became better and won him the match while Kiwi was following mainly the same game plan like earlier in the match when Andreev still gave him lots of easy unforced errors.


Kiwi took a 10 minutes time-out after 2nd set ..........
His first timeout in the match to get his ankles re-taped again which is legitimate. Andreev was treated during games and offcourt how many times and how long? I counted more than one injury timeout, but if stupid Grillotti allows that, what can you do?

Neely
10-16-2005, 10:27 PM
Kiwi may play other tourney instead of this fucking shitty tourney next year. :mad:
With playing another tournament next year, maybe he would play in a tournament then where the crowd is a bit more polite and appreciative to a non-Russian player and doesn't applaud EVERY, yes, really every serve fault of Kiefer for three seconds since the end of the 2nd set to the end of the match. To be honest, I was disappointed with this kind of behaviour because I thought the Muscovites have a bit more class than that. But nothing you can do about that, Andreev will have to pay his debt at some time too.

I♥PsY@Mus!c
10-16-2005, 11:21 PM
Kiwi took a 10 minutes time-out after 2nd set ..........
lol so I should hate Kiwi as well?
I just know Andreev took a timeout for his left leg and off the court to the BATHROOM.BTW you actually didn't answer my question.

kiwiteami
10-17-2005, 02:00 AM
With playing another tournament next year, maybe he would play in a tournament then where the crowd is a bit more polite and appreciative to a non-Russian player and doesn't applaud EVERY, yes, really every serve fault of Kiefer for three seconds since the end of the 2nd set to the end of the match. To be honest, I was disappointed with this kind of behaviour because I thought the Muscovites have a bit more class than that. But nothing you can do about that, Andreev will have to pay his debt at some time too.


Well now that I know more about what happenned,I can see why he lost.First everyone or almost was against him.You know the more I get to know him,the more I see that he does appreciate to have people,fans in his corner,cheering for him.He DOES need the support.I know that most people see him as a strong person,he is but he is sensitive too and if he saw that it was him vs the world,he had no support except for thomas well,he didn,t fight.I remember,in indianapolis,it was so hot,I went to his single match and then we went for coffee and then I was like..are you joking you have another match tonight? yes it was in doubles.He was all nice,smiling pLEASE please you have to come,you have to be there,for me,it is against Americans and everyone else will be cheering for them..please.Of course,I did go.He needs the support,he needs to hear his fans cheer for him.And yes Dani ,if Andreev did that to him..one day,he,ll pay.Kiefer has always revenge on his mind when he loses a match...remember this year,clement and only this week,Mayer..he won.I hope that he,ll have fans in madrid.

rrfnpump
10-17-2005, 07:56 AM
lol so I should hate Kiwi as well?
I just know Andreev took a timeout for his left leg and off the court to the BATHROOM.BTW you actually didn't answer my question.

I dont know how long that time-out lasted, cause I left watching at 75 30, because I was sure he would win it anyway; when I came back it was 4-4...


With playing another tournament next year, maybe he would play in a tournament then where the crowd is a bit more polite and appreciative to a non-Russian player and doesn't applaud EVERY, yes, really every serve fault of Kiefer for three seconds since the end of the 2nd set to the end of the match. To be honest, I was disappointed with this kind of behaviour because I thought the Muscovites have a bit more class than that. But nothing you can do about that, Andreev will have to pay his debt at some time too.

so Kiwi should not play French Open as well?

Come on, girls
its not very convincing to say crowd and Igor's timeout were the reasons for Kiwi's loss. He had many chances and just missed them. It would be not good if a former Top10 player would be irritated by a biased crowd and by a time-out taken....
No, the real problem is his mental fragility! He has to work on that. All Germans are head-cases

I♥PsY@Mus!c
10-17-2005, 11:10 AM
Yep I know his mentality damn sucked and he ruined his chance but I'm still too angry at your fave.You know he has taken timeout 3 times.(Yahoo news and Kiwi's journal mentioned that)It's so disturbed. :mad: I at most accept the first time but NEVER stand the last time for requesting off the court to a bathroom. :fiery:

I like you,Kiwi,Rainer,Jarkko,Paradorn and some in your sig but Andreev.Never.

rrfnpump
10-17-2005, 11:32 AM
Yep I know his mentality damn sucked and he ruined his chance but I'm still too angry at your fave.You know he has taken timeout 3 times.(Yahoo news and Kiwi's journal mentioned that)It's so disturbed. :mad: I at most accept the first time but NEVER stand the last time for requesting off the court to a bathroom. :fiery:

I like you,Kiwi,Rainer,Jarkko,Paradorn and some in your sig but Andreev.Never.

:lol:
I can understand you of course. I would probably be angry too if Kiwi had played another player I dont like and had lost that way.
but thats tennis. look at Mary Pierce. as long as such time-outs are allowed everybody can use them! Tennis is more than just playing, its also a huge mental thing these days.
Kiwi got irritated by the time-outs. Federer would not have been. thats the difference.

BTW, I like you too :hug:

JMG
10-17-2005, 11:59 AM
It was probably even a bit more difficult than in Roland Garros with that crowd. I really thought that the fans in Moscow are fair, it was really disappointing. I couldn't believe it when I saw that the game was suspended for ages at 4-0 and then again at 4-1. I must admit that I couldn't watch the stream with good quality, but even I could see how Andreev jumped around after his "injury" timeouts. I always heard you can take one 3min timeout each set or so, but not 5 minutes, then 10 minutes and so on.

Fitness is imo part of that game and if the 3min timeout is not enough, you have to pay for it.

Robredo took that unfair timeout last year at bp for Gaudio and won the match. I think many posters attacked him after that, but if you compare this to what Andreev did ... and Andreev is even the hero now for the majority here.

There is actually a chance for a RUS vs GER Daviscup QF. Would be nice to get a revenge there.

And I hope they behave better in St. Petersburg.

There are m any examples that a fair cheering for the home player is possible. Just look at Liberec in Daviscup few weeks ago.

kfh_9118
10-17-2005, 01:38 PM
I dont know how long that time-out lasted, cause I left watching at 75 30, because I was sure he would win it anyway; when I came back it was 4-4...



so Kiwi should not play French Open as well?

Come on, girls
its not very convincing to say crowd and Igor's timeout were the reasons for Kiwi's loss. He had many chances and just missed them. It would be not good if a former Top10 player would be irritated by a biased crowd and by a time-out taken....
No, the real problem is his mental fragility! He has to work on that. All Germans are head-cases

I agree with you that Kiwi has a mental problem, and maybe it costs him the title. What I don't like is how Igor tried everything he could to get back into the match, and for me, it's not a fair game.

I am not sure if you watched the match or not. I watched the entire match through a very good live-stream, hence I saw every moment in that match. First time out from Igor was in the second set when the score was 0-2. He called the trainer for his knee problem I suppose. First, unless it's really really serious, I don't think it's fair to call a trainer not during a break between 2 games. In my opinion, he should has played another game before calling for a trainer. We know what happened next, Kiwi won the next 2 games, and then somehow he lost his serve to make the score 1-4. Then Igor called for another time-out to threat his back, and then go to the bathroom for god knows how long. In total, I guess it's about 10 minutes break at that score. Kiwi did ask the chair umpire about the length of the break and I don't know what is the rule, but definitely the break should not be allowed for that long. Igor should have been disqualified or at least penalised a game or points. Instead, the umpire lets it happened and ignore Kiwi's concern. This clearly was intended to break Kiwi's momentum by Igor in my eyes and too bad Kiwi let it happened.

I know Kiwi also took a time-out during the match, but the timing was between second and third set. We all know that the players are given a longer break before the final set and if you add up the injury time allowed to be taken by Kiwi, he had clearly not extended the time out allowed to be taken. Again, I am not too sure about the rule, hence I might be wrong.

What really upset me as well was how Igor claimed that he was injured and it was not shown at all in the way he played. Except from several occasion when he missed a shot or lost a point, he touched his back tried to tell us that he has a back problem. Then, the next point, he will play unbelievable point and won it. Not sure about you, but I clearly saw this as faking an injury. I can't believe the way he reacted after winning the match, I mean, how can you still be happy knowing the way you tried to win the match :rolleyes:

Sorry if I offended you in many ways. As I said, this is purely how I feel about the match, nothing against you really. Unfortunately, from this match, I would never never able to like or cheer for Igor again. I thought I really dislike Hewitt, now after this, I know it's nothing compared to how I feel about Igor now ;)

Btw, I also like some of your favourites, eg. Tommy ;)

Neely
10-17-2005, 02:30 PM
so Kiwi should not play French Open as well?
You can't compare a Grand Slam to an optional even like Moscow in a week with another two tournaments of similiar kind. There are certainly more possibilities to replace Moscow if he doesn't want to come anymore again next year. Also regarding French Open, we have to admit that Kiwi has to blame himself a lot to cause that behaviour of the French crowd back then as he wasn't the most friendly player in that match either.

Come on, girls
its not very convincing to say crowd and Igor's timeout were the reasons for Kiwi's loss. He had many chances and just missed them. It would be not good if a former Top10 player would be irritated by a biased crowd and by a time-out taken....
No, the real problem is his mental fragility! He has to work on that. All Germans are head-cases
The main reason was Kiwi himself because 4-0 has to be carried home, no matter when they start playing again and whatever Andreev is doing and had he been strong enough he would have won it easily. But I still had preferred a normal loss without bad taste and that's what bothers me. Also everybody seems to take it at the most normal thing in the world if Andreev leaves the court for 10 minutes despite getting treatment before already and when Roddick did the same at the Australian Open the whole board slaughtered him for his 10 minute break.
Again, if Kiwi had been strong enough he had won no matter what would have happened yesterday. But this match was still not clean and a good chair umpire with authoriy, not like Grillotti, should have dealt otherwise according to the rules.

Neely
10-17-2005, 02:42 PM
I always heard you can take one 3min timeout each set or so, but not 5 minutes, then 10 minutes and so on.
Normally it's one medical time (examination and 3 minute treatment) each match.

Robredo took that unfair timeout last year at bp for Gaudio and won the match. I think many posters attacked him after that, but if you compare this to what Andreev did ... and Andreev is even the hero now for the majority here.
Many people attacked Robredo because they thought he faked it. But unlike Andreev getting treatment here and there more than once, the timeout itself by Robredo was the first of the match and according to rules he may take it anytime.

There is actually a chance for a RUS vs GER Daviscup QF. Would be nice to get a revenge there.
would be away, right? Not good.

There are m any examples that a fair cheering for the home player is possible. Just look at Liberec in Daviscup few weeks ago.
I don't blame an away crowd for cheering maybe a few times on important points (break point, 30-30, deuce) during a match when a player hits a first serve fault; this can happen in many places if the home crowd is eager for their own player to win. But applauding first serve faults for three seconds when the foreign player is missing a serve at 15-0 or 15-15 is pretty stupid.

rrfnpump
10-17-2005, 03:02 PM
Sorry if I offended you in many ways. As I said, this is purely how I feel about the match, nothing against you really. Unfortunately, from this match, I would never never able to like or cheer for Igor again. I thought I really dislike Hewitt, now after this, I know it's nothing compared to how I feel about Igor now ;)

Btw, I also like some of your favourites, eg. Tommy ;)

I dont feel offended
thats a discussion and everybody has his opinion. I dont like discussions where everybody has the same opinion....

I never said Igor won this match; Kiwi lost it and thats the way it was
I am also not proud of Igor doing these time-outs, but its allowed


I don't blame an away crowd for cheering maybe a few times on important points (break point, 30-30, deuce) during a match when a player hits a first serve fault; this can happen in many places if the home crowd is eager for their own player to win. But applauding first serve faults for three seconds when the foreign player is missing a serve at 15-0 or 15-15 is pretty stupid.

As a pro player you have to live with biased crowds. Thats one part of tennis. I dont say I find it good what the crowd in Moscow did, but its understandable. Patriotism is a big topic in Russia.
There was a report on the WTA board from an ITF tournamnet in China where foreign players were treated really bad by the crowd.
Or imagine Ivan Ljubicic would play an important match against Djokovic in Serbia.
Think about all the fans from Chile during world team cup; The emotional Sania Mirza fans

YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT AS A PRO!!!!


Again, if Kiwi had been strong enough he had won no matter what would have happened yesterday. But this match was still not clean and a good chair umpire with authoriy, not like Grillotti, should have dealt otherwise according to the rules.

There are many umpires who are useless. who never overrule. who never do something against bad behavior. thats a big problem I agree

Neely
10-17-2005, 03:45 PM
I am also not proud of Igor doing these time-outs, but its allowed
it was allowed, but I don't think it is allowed by the rules because there is only medical timeout per match. That's what I'm saying and why this match has a bad aftertaste for me.

kek
10-17-2005, 06:57 PM
If I'm not mistaken, you can have multiple injury timeouts in a match but you can't be treated for the same injury. So I can have a timeout for an elbow for 3 minutes and then the next 3 minutes use it for a shoulder injury for a total of 6 minutes plus add a bathroom timeout etc...for a total of 10 minutes.

Mary Pierce did this exactly in the US Open semi's.

Neely
10-17-2005, 07:50 PM
You're right, kek. I've taken a look at the rules and it states that a medical time-out can be approved "for each medical condition". So if you have wrist, shoulder, elbow, ankle, back and knee problems you could theoretically be awarded a time-out each time, if I am right about that. So if Andreev first got treatment for his knee and then for his back, it could have been legal.