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Entry list

Eruwen
09-13-2005, 09:20 AM
From the official tournament website (http://www.masters-series-madrid.com/eng/players.htm):

1. Federer, R. (SUI)
2. Nadal, R. (ESP)
3. Roddick, A. (USA)
4. Hewitt, L. (AUS)
5. Safin, M. (RUS)
6. Davydenko, N. (RUS)
7. Agassi, A. (USA)
8. Coria, G. (ARG)
9. Gaudio, G. (ARG)
10. Puerta, M. (ARG)
11. Nalbandian, D. (ARG)
12. Henman, T. (GBR)
13. Gasquet, R. (FRA)
14. Johansson, T. (SWE)
15. Ferrer, D. (ESP)
16. Hrbaty, D. (SVK)
17. Stepanek, R. (CZE)
18. Ljubicic, I. (CRO)
19. Robredo, T. (ESP)
20. Lopez, F. (ESP)
21. Ferrero, J. C. (ESP)
22. Gonzalez, F. (CHI)
23. Ancic, M. (CRO)
24. Novak, J. (CZE)
25. Youzhny, M. (RUS)
26. Dent, T. (USA)
27. Rochus, O. (BEL)
28. Rusedski, G. (GBR)
29. Haas, T. (GER)
30. Mirnyi, M. (BLR)
31. Moya, C. (ESP)
32. Berdych, T. (CZE)
33. Grosjean, S. (FRA)
34. Beck, K. (SVK)
35. Volandri, F. (ITA)
36. Kiefer, N. (GER)
37. Pavel, A. (ROM)
38. Hanescu. V. (ROM)

And I'm sure Verdasco will get a wild card!

Any other information is welcome! ;)

Björki
09-13-2005, 09:39 AM
Next players (alternates) in:

Melzer, Jurgen (AUT)
Soderling, Robin (SWE)
Monfils, Gael (FRA)
Acasuso, Jose (ARG)
Mathieu, Paul-Henri (FRA)
Ginepri, Robby (USA)
Spadea, Vincent (USA)
Verdasco, Fernando (ESP)
Blake, James (USA)
Chela, Juan Ignacio (ARG)

Eruwen
09-13-2005, 10:03 AM
Thanks! :)

Alvarillo
09-13-2005, 11:02 AM
sure, Verdasco will get a WC!

Kyla
09-13-2005, 01:46 PM
Good - Verdasco doesn't need a WC ;)

:bounce:

mishar
09-13-2005, 07:22 PM
I have a question. Is this the fixed alternate list? Or does the alternate list get updated 3 or 4 weeks before the tournament? Because already the rankings are different. Right now I believe Ginepri, Blake, then Verdasco are next in line in case of withdrawals..

But maybe they stick with the original alternates list?

smucav
09-13-2005, 10:22 PM
Updated entry list (& alternates):

OUT Federer, Roger (SUI) 1
2. Nadal, Rafael (ESP) 2
3. Roddick, Andy (USA) 3
OUT Hewitt, Lleyton (AUS) 4
OUT Safin, Marat (RUS) 5
6. Davydenko, Nikolay (RUS) 6
OUT Agassi, Andre (USA) 7
8. Coria, Guillermo (ARG) 8
9. Gaudio, Gaudio (ARG) 9
10. Puerta, Mariano (ARG) 10
11. Nalbandian, David (ARG) 11
12. Henman, Tim (GBR) 12
OUT Gasquet, Richard (FRA) 13
14. Johansson, Thomas (SWE) 14
15. Ferrer, David (ESP) 15
OUT Johansson, Joachim (SWE) 16
17. Hrbaty, Dominik (SVK) 17
18. Stepanek, Radek (CZE) 18
19. Ljubicic, Ivan (CRO) 19
20. Robredo, Tommy (ESP) 20
21. Lopez, Feliciano (ESP) 21
22. Ferrero, Juan Carlos (ESP) 22
23. Gonzalez, Fernando (CHI) 23
24. Ancic, Mario (CRO) 24
25. Novak, Jiri (CZE) 25
26. Youzhny, Mikhail (RUS) 26
27. Dent, Taylor (USA) 27
OUT Canas, Guillermo (ARG)
29. Rochus, Olivier (BEL) 29
30. Rusedski, Greg (GBR) 30
31. Haas, Tommy (GER) 31
32. Mirnyi, Max (BLR) 32
33. Moya, Carlos (ESP) 33
34. Berdych, Thomas (CZE) 34
35. Grosjean, Sebastien (FRA) 35
36. Beck, Karol (SVK) 36
37. Volandri, Fillippo (ITA) 37
38. Kiefer, Nicholas (GER) 38
39. (SE)
40. (WC) Fernando Verdasco ESP
41. (WC) Albert Costa ESP
42. (WC) Nicolas Massu CHI (Votación Marca)
43. (Q) Juan Ignacio Chela ARG
44. (Q) Christophe Rochus BEL
45. (Q) Ivo Karlovic CRO
46. (Q) Alberto Martin ESP
47. (Q) Agustin Calleri ARG
48. (Q) Tomas Zib CZE

Alternates
IN Pavel, Andrei (ROM) 39
IN Hanescu, Victor (ROM) 40
IN Melzer, Jurgen AUT 41
OUT Soderling, Robin SWE 42
IN Monfils, Gael FRA 43
IN Acasuso, Jose ARG 44
IN Mathieu, Paul Henri FRA 45
IN Ginepri, Robby USA 46
IN Spadea, Vincent USA 47
1. Verdasco, Fernando ESP 48
2. Blake, James USA 49
3. Chela, Juan Ignacio ARG 50
4. Srichaphan, Paradorn THA 51
5. Andreev, Igor RUS 52
6. Rochus, Christophe BEL 53
7. Malisse, Xavier BEL 54
8. Carlsen, Kenneth DEN 55

Nota: Guillermo Cañas (28 ATP) por suspensión y Joachim Johansson (16 ATP) por lesión en el hombro no han entrado en el cuadro

[Due to a bug-- http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=2301092&postcount=7 --I was unable to edit my post from earlier today that included the full entry list & alternates (nor was I able to include a quote from the first post "Any other information is welcome!") so I deleted it & am replicating it here.]

Alvarillo
09-14-2005, 08:32 AM
one of the WC will be chosen in www.marca.es in a poll!

Björki
09-14-2005, 08:48 AM
one of the WC will be chosen in www.marca.es in a poll!
where can I find the poll?

Deivid23
09-14-2005, 08:57 AM
where can I find the poll?

Not available yet.

One of the Q spots will go to Oscar Burrieza (as winner of a minor tourney whose prize was that)

smucav
09-15-2005, 02:57 PM
I have a question. Is this the fixed alternate list?Yes.

Or does the alternate list get updated 3 or 4 weeks before the tournament?No.

But maybe they stick with the original alternates list?Yes.

Direct entry list (& alternates): 9/5/05 entry rankings
Qualifying entry list: 9/26/05 entry rankings
Seeding (main draw & qualifying): 10/10/05 entry rankings

mishar
09-16-2005, 05:21 PM
Thanks Smucav. So Verdasco would need a wildcard, and unless there are a lot of withdrawals, Blake & Ginepri would have to play qualifying.

LaTenista
09-18-2005, 10:04 PM
Thanks Smucav. So Verdasco would need a wildcard, and unless there are a lot of withdrawals, Blake & Ginepri would have to play qualifying.

Bingo. It's pretty depressing though - it seems stupid to use a week (9/5) when new rankings didn't even come out as the basis of deciding who made the cutoff and who didn't. As the last GS of the year, it would have made a lot more sense to wait until after the USO for the rankings of 9/12 to come out. All 3 of them would have been directly into Madrid then.

smucav
09-19-2005, 06:55 PM
Thanks Smucav. So Verdasco would need a wildcard, and unless there are a lot of withdrawals, Blake & Ginepri would have to play qualifying.In 2004, there were eleven zero pointers in Madrid. While there may not be as many this year, several alternates will probably be admitted to the main draw.

Super-Fabio
09-21-2005, 04:59 PM
Go Filippo and Rafa......

juanpablo18
09-25-2005, 07:10 PM
massu ask for q Wild Card....!
massu was finalist in 2003, so i think that is too posible

landoud
09-29-2005, 03:11 PM
seems it's gonna be great tourny

Galaxystorm
09-29-2005, 11:36 PM
Nadal talking about Madrid masters series “ At the end of the last two seasons i arrived very tired and off form and it seems it can happen again this year “

Deivid23
09-30-2005, 06:30 PM
Nadal talking about Madrid masters series “ At the end of the last two seasons i arrived very tired and off form and it seems it can happen again this year “

I´d be surprised if Nadal goes deep in the draw, honestly

keqtqiadv
10-01-2005, 01:35 AM
massu ask for q Wild Card....!
massu was finalist in 2003, so i think that is too posible
For qualies, it's possible. But I wouldn't give it (he defeated El Aynaoui in SF. That was the last match I've seen of Younes, and after that he wasn't the same player)

In Marca last year, I used all ways to give more votes to Alex Corretja. Who are the options this year??

Oj-Ala
10-03-2005, 02:48 AM
Ok, sadly, Safin is out (according to his official website) and I think Hewitt will withdraw too because his baby will be born in October so...

*Viva Chile*
10-03-2005, 04:46 AM
Safin is OUT :sad:

*Ljubica*
10-03-2005, 11:45 AM
I read a post somewhere on MTF from an Agassi fan, who said Agassi wasn't planning to play Madrid - but I have no idea how true this is.

NicoFan
10-04-2005, 02:02 AM
massu ask for q Wild Card....!
massu was finalist in 2003, so i think that is too posible

Does anyone know when we'll find out if Nico gets a q Wild Card??? Is it like a week before??

Deivid23
10-04-2005, 04:05 PM
http://www.marca.com/edicion/marca/tenis/es/desarrollo/571750.html

Verdasco and Albert Costa will be given WCs and the 3rd one will come from a poll in Marca between Beto Martin, James Blake, Nico Massu and Monfils :shrug:

Carlita
10-04-2005, 05:13 PM
:woohoo: NANDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :woohoo:

Galaxystorm
10-04-2005, 05:41 PM
If tennis was fair Blake should be the winner of this poll ...

juanpablo18
10-04-2005, 06:35 PM
agassi is out of madrid?? that is true??

keqtqiadv
10-04-2005, 07:27 PM
Monfils, Blake, Massu or Beto?? No more Spanish options? So I will vote for Beto.
WCs for Costa and Verdasco were an easy choice. Sanchez and Montanes won't have another opportunity this year.

NicoFan
10-04-2005, 07:53 PM
If tennis was fair Blake should be the winner of this poll ...

No, if tennis was fair, Nico would win. ;) He was in the finals in 2003 - he should have gotten the WC without a poll.

I really like Blake, but going all out to vote for Nico here. :angel:

Grinder
10-04-2005, 08:36 PM
I vote for Blake.

Daniel
10-05-2005, 09:28 AM
Vamos Roger :worship:

Deea
10-05-2005, 01:40 PM
No Marat in Madrid... :bigcry: He won't defend his title. :crying2:

Golfnduck
10-05-2005, 03:44 PM
James should get a wild card for this tournament. He had an awesome summer and deserves to play here.

JBrocks
10-05-2005, 03:52 PM
where can I vote? link please.

Alvarillo
10-05-2005, 06:27 PM
The poll hasn't started

Iza
10-05-2005, 06:44 PM
oh jeez but when will it start????

keqtqiadv
10-06-2005, 12:56 AM
James should get a wild card for this tournament. He had an awesome summer and deserves to play here.
Sorry, but you're defending an American position. There are many IS or better tournaments in US, so it's easy for Americans. In Brazil, we have only one. In Spain there are three. They should give only Spanish options, as last year. If it were in Brazil, I wouldn't agree inviting Blake. It is important to give opportunity to local players to play with Roger, Nadal and others.
But I agree Blake would be good to Madrid. He has a lot of fans.

cecilija
10-06-2005, 02:07 AM
James Blake!

+alonso
10-06-2005, 03:34 AM
Sorry, but you're defending an American position. There are many IS or better tournaments in US, so it's easy for Americans. In Brazil, we have only one. In Spain there are three. They should give only Spanish options, as last year. If it were in Brazil, I wouldn't agree inviting Blake. It is important to give opportunity to local players to play with Roger, Nadal and others.
But I agree Blake would be good to Madrid. He has a lot of fans.

100% with you! ;)

*Ljubica*
10-06-2005, 11:52 AM
Sorry, but you're defending an American position. There are many IS or better tournaments in US, so it's easy for Americans. In Brazil, we have only one. In Spain there are three. They should give only Spanish options, as last year. If it were in Brazil, I wouldn't agree inviting Blake. It is important to give opportunity to local players to play with Roger, Nadal and others.
But I agree Blake would be good to Madrid. He has a lot of fans.

I agree. I like James Blake a lot - but the Wild Cards should go to young Spanish talent in my opinion.

LaTenista
10-06-2005, 12:59 PM
I agree. I like James Blake a lot - but the Wild Cards should go to young Spanish talent in my opinion.

Verdasco, who's 21 I think :scratch:, got one of the WCs already. He's younger than any of the players to be included in the Marca poll.

Where's MajorcanBoy, I know there's another Mallorcan kid who's about 18 or so coming up, hopefully they will give him a WC into the qualifying.

:secret: I think Madrid is more interesting in being popular (I heard it had attendance issues along with Roma) than in supporting their countrymen. :eek:

NicoFan
10-06-2005, 02:52 PM
Sorry, but you're defending an American position. There are many IS or better tournaments in US, so it's easy for Americans. In Brazil, we have only one. In Spain there are three. They should give only Spanish options, as last year. If it were in Brazil, I wouldn't agree inviting Blake. It is important to give opportunity to local players to play with Roger, Nadal and others.
But I agree Blake would be good to Madrid. He has a lot of fans.

Agree about the American position. But disagree about Blake being good for Madrid. Blake has a lot of fans...but I doubt in Spain. Nico would probably be more popular in Spain just because he speaks spanish - and he had a lot of support there in 2003 until he met JC in the finals.

Of course, I'm biased but Nico should get it just in comparison to what he has accomplished vs. the others. He was a finalist in 2003 and won the gold in the Olympics. James has never done anything close to that.

Unfortunately, this will come down to whose fans can rally the most votes. And that's not how tennis s/b run. Since those are the rules (stupid or not), I will of course hope the good people of Chile rally behind him and provide many many votes. But I still think its a dumb way to decide who gets a WC or not.

And agree with Rosie somewhat - I don't believe in WCs at all, but if you have them, they were meant for young and upcoming players. So if you're not going to go by who deserves it most, it s/b for that reason, not by who can rally the most votes.

shotgun
10-06-2005, 05:38 PM
I don't see anything wrong in giving one of the three wildcards for a player who would attract more attention to the tournament. I mean, they´ve already given 2 wild-cards to spanish players, then what´s the problem to give one to a foreign player? Tournaments also need commercial success.

BTW, on the poll, I'd vote for Massu, because Blake and Monfils have already received enough WCs this year. On the other hand, the probability of Massu wasting this WC is enormous. :devil:

Alvarillo
10-07-2005, 02:05 PM
The Poll Is Open!
http://www.marca.com/tenis/masters_series_madrid_05/encuesta.html

Deivid23
10-07-2005, 03:13 PM
My vote goes to Beto :lol:

keqtqiadv
10-07-2005, 04:57 PM
Alberto Martin!!

juanpablo18
10-07-2005, 05:00 PM
vote for massu!!! jaja pleeasee, he need it more than the other players...and he will not wast the WC im sure!!

+alonso
10-07-2005, 06:19 PM
Well Beto need it too but i go for Massu.. obvious.. :yeah:

Socket
10-07-2005, 06:25 PM
Lleyton just had minor surgery on another one of his toes, so between that and the baby, I'm sure he won't play this tournament.

JuchuPati
10-08-2005, 10:51 AM
Lleyton just had minor surgery on another one of his toes, so between that and the baby, I'm sure he won't play this tournament.


puff excuses, excuses...

:sad: :sad:

Haute
10-08-2005, 10:06 PM
Yes.

No.

Yes.

Direct entry list (& alternates): 9/5/05 entry rankings
Qualifying entry list: 9/26/05 entry rankings
Seeding (main draw & qualifying): 10/10/05 entry rankings

I'm confused about this. If Ginepri didn't have the rankings back on 9/5/05, then what's happening in terms of seeding after 10/10/05? He'll probably be #21 by Monday, so will he still have to qualify, or will he be in the main draw now?

Mara_M
10-08-2005, 10:19 PM
davai marat!haide victor&andrei!vamos nando:bounce:

shotgun
10-08-2005, 11:27 PM
I'm confused about this. If Ginepri didn't have the rankings back on 9/5/05, then what's happening in terms of seeding after 10/10/05? He'll probably be #21 by Monday, so will he still have to qualify, or will he be in the main draw now?

He´ll have to play the qualifying tournament.

Deboogle!.
10-09-2005, 05:54 PM
He´ll have to play the qualifying tournament.Except that it appears he didn't enter it :o :smash:

idolwatcher1
10-09-2005, 07:07 PM
Except that it appears he didn't enter it :o :smash:

which begs the question: is the appearance wrong or did he truly not enter himself into the qualifying tournament... :confused:

Deboogle!.
10-09-2005, 07:20 PM
I suppose there's a possibility that the list is wrong but I've rarely, if ever, seen that happen from one of these lists. From everything any of us would be able to gather, he did not enter qualifying.

It seems to me that the 6-week entry thing is kind of archaic. I imagine the tourney directors of the smaller events appreciate knowing that far in advance, but it seems like for the masters events if they cut the period to 4 weeks, there would be less of these problems.

idolwatcher1
10-09-2005, 07:36 PM
I suppose there's a possibility that the list is wrong but I've rarely, if ever, seen that happen from one of these lists. From everything any of us would be able to gather, he did not enter qualifying.

It seems to me that the 6-week entry thing is kind of archaic. I imagine the tourney directors of the smaller events appreciate knowing that far in advance, but it seems like for the masters events if they cut the period to 4 weeks, there would be less of these problems.

oh, I totally agree with that...I would support the 4 weeks thing way more, because that way, your field of players are more of a current representation of who is best in the world, instead of players on your list that might have fallen out of the Top 50 by the time the tournament starts...ah well

Agassi Aces
10-11-2005, 01:04 PM
I read a post somewhere on MTF from an Agassi fan, who said Agassi wasn't planning to play Madrid - but I have no idea how true this is.

According to my sources Andre Agassi has arrived in Madrid to reclaim the title he won in 2002. If he is fit he will be there on Monday!

Alvarillo
10-11-2005, 06:01 PM
Federer and Nadal arrive on Thursday
Roddick has booked a training court for Sunday

Deboogle!.
10-11-2005, 08:01 PM
Federer and Nadal arrive on Thursday
Roddick has booked a training court for SundayThanks :)

Does this mean Andy's not arriving til like Saturday.... no comment :rolleyes: :o :smash:

Daniel
10-12-2005, 01:29 AM
Roger :hug: :D

NicoFan
10-12-2005, 06:05 PM
Update the entry list!!!

NICO GOT THE 3rd WILD CARD!

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

keqtqiadv
10-12-2005, 06:36 PM
Er, Nico?!?! He won't pass 1st round....
I voted on Beto...

NicoFan
10-12-2005, 06:40 PM
Er, Nico?!?! He won't pass 1st round....
I voted on Beto...

Yup, Nico won!!!!! :)

Alvarillo
10-12-2005, 07:24 PM
Federer injured (or at least he says that) won't play

Galaxystorm
10-12-2005, 08:01 PM
According to a spanish news agency Agassi is also out

Alvarillo
10-12-2005, 08:03 PM
yes it's official, Agassi, Federer, Hewitt, Safin out :mad:

Anne-Claire
10-12-2005, 08:05 PM
do you know the official hotel for qualies players in madrid is it nh eurobuilding?????????? thanks caro

Grinder
10-12-2005, 08:05 PM
So:
Out: Federer, Safin, Cañas. J. Johansson
Most likely out: Agassi, Hewitt
SE Sport will probably get cleared, that means Ginepri only needs one more person to pull out.

Alvarillo
10-12-2005, 08:07 PM
So:
Out: Federer, Safin, Cañas. J. Johansson
Most likely out: Agassi, Hewitt
SE Sport will probably get cleared, that means Ginepri only needs one more person to pull out.

Agassi and Hewitt officially out

Galaxystorm
10-12-2005, 08:14 PM
So:
Out: Federer, Safin, Cañas. J. Johansson
Most likely out: Agassi, Hewitt
SE Sport will probably get cleared, that means Ginepri only needs one more person to pull out.

In the list of alternates Soderlling is also out, then Robby Ginepri only needs one more withdrawal ( ¿ Gasquet ? ) or the special exempt vacant to enter in the main draw , then it seems that Ginepri will be in Madrid too.

Grinder
10-12-2005, 08:31 PM
In the list of alternates Soderlling is also out, then Robby Ginepri only needs one more withdrawal ( ¿ Gasquet ? ) or the special exempt vacant to enter in the main draw , then it seems that Ginepri will be in Madrid too.

That should do it, but Gasquet may show up for the prize money or try to play a match or to. Hopefully Robby will get in.


What is really unfortunate is that James Blake will almost certainly get to the quarters of Stockholm, meaning that he won't be able to play the Madrid qualies so that means he can't play Madrid since Stockholm isn't a ISG event and not qualified for SE.

keqtqiadv
10-12-2005, 08:40 PM
With all these withdraws, Roddick and Nadal are rank favorites for a final...

keqtqiadv
10-12-2005, 08:46 PM
Ginepri is probably IN, exception occuring if someone gets the SE spot (don't know if it's still possible)

Agassi Aces
10-12-2005, 09:41 PM
Andre Agassi has officially told tournament organisers that he has pulled out.

smucav
10-12-2005, 09:58 PM
(One SE spot to be cleared)
OUT: Agassi, Canas, J.Johansson, M.Safin (and Soderling from ALT)
IN: Pavel, Hanescu, Melzer, Monfils
NEXT: Acasuso, Mathieu, Ginepri, Spadea, Verdasco, Blake, Chela, Srichaphan

Updated entry list:
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=2327108&postcount=7

keqtqiadv
10-12-2005, 10:05 PM
Gah, Monfils entered in that WC competition but I knew it was not necessary...

bavaria100
10-12-2005, 10:25 PM
Ginepri is probably IN, exception occuring if someone gets the SE spot (don't know if it's still possible)


I think the only player who still could get an SE spot is Nicolas Lapentti. But right now, he´s only on the alternative list for the qualies, so we have to see if 4 other players will withdraw in the next few days (and if Nicolas gets far enough in Vienna).

keqtqiadv
10-12-2005, 10:34 PM
I think the only player who still could get an SE spot is Nicolas Lapentti. But right now, he´s only on the alternative list for the qualies, so we have to see if 4 other players will withdraw in the next few days (and if Nicolas gets far enough in Vienna).

Hehe, this 4 withdraws will probably occur, but Lapentti reaching SF in Viena...

idolwatcher1
10-13-2005, 05:17 AM
So is this how it looks right now??

1 Nadal, R (ESP)
2 Roddick, A (USA)
3 Davydenko, N (RUS)
4 Coria, G (ARG)
5 Gaudio, G (ARG)
6 Puerta, M (ARG)
7 Nalbandian, D (ARG)
8 Henman, T (GBR)
9 Gasquet, R (FRA)
10 Johansson, T (SWE)
11 Ferrer, D (ESP)
12 Hrbaty, D (SVK)
13 Stepanek, R (CZE)
14 Ljubicic, I (CRO)
15 Robredo, T (ESP)
16 Lopez, F (ESP)
17 Ferrero, JC (ESP)
18 Gonzalez, F (CHI)
19 Ancic, M (CRO)
20 Novak, J (CZE)
21 Youzhny, M (RUS)
22 Dent, T (USA)
23 Rochus, O (BEL)
24 Rusedski, G (GBR)
25 Haas, T (GER)
26 Mirnyi, M (BLR)
27 Moya, C (ESP)
28 Berdych, T (CZE)
29 Grosjean, S (FRA)
30 Beck, K (SVK)
31 Volandri, F (ITA)
32 Kiefer, N (GER)
33 Pavel, A (ROM)
34 Hanescu, V (ROM)
35 Melzer, Jurgen (AUT)
36 Monfils, Gael (FRA)
37 Acasuso, Jose (ARG)
38 Mathieu, Paul-Henri (FRA)
WC Verdasco, F (ESP)
WC Costa, A (ESP)
WC Massu, N (CHI)
SE – ATP

Alt.1 Ginepri, R (USA)
Alt.2 Spadea, V (USA)

keqtqiadv
10-13-2005, 11:43 AM
All that discussion about Ginepri not playing the qualies and he will probably get direct entry. :p
I think he knew it would have withdraws enough. ;)

shotgun
10-13-2005, 01:46 PM
So the 16 seeds will receive bye in the first round?

keqtqiadv
10-13-2005, 01:54 PM
So the 16 seeds will receive bye in the first round?
Yes

Donny
10-13-2005, 02:35 PM
Ginepri will barely get in, eh? Too funny if the guy ends up with the 16th seed (i.e. Gasquet and Puerta w/d) after just squeezing into the field.

Deboogle!.
10-13-2005, 02:58 PM
Fed and Hewitt are officially out now, so yes Idolwatcher, that's how it looks

Madrid Masters Main Draw (One SE spot to be cleared)
OUT: Agassi, Canas, Federer, Hewitt, J.Johansson, M.Safin (and Soderling from ALT)
IN: Pavel, Hanescu, Melzer, Monfils, Acasuso, Mathieu
NEXT: Ginepri, Spadea, Verdasco, Blake, Chela, Srichaphan, Andreev, C.Rochus

juanpablo18
10-13-2005, 03:41 PM
But who are the 16 seeds??

Deboogle!.
10-13-2005, 03:45 PM
don't know til the draw comes out - the 16 seeds will be the top 16 players in the draw

smucav
10-13-2005, 03:53 PM
Updated entry list:
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=2327108&postcount=7

peteslamz
10-13-2005, 04:17 PM
I thought Gasquet has already pulled out too? because his website said that his next tournament will be Lyon because of his elbow injury? :confused:

Deboogle!.
10-13-2005, 04:25 PM
He may be intending to pull out but he may not have officially notified the tourney, he has til tomorrow to do that.

esh
10-13-2005, 06:38 PM
Andy return! good luck :)

juanpablo18
10-13-2005, 06:40 PM
but the seeds its decided with the actual ranking?? the ranking of this week??

Deboogle!.
10-13-2005, 07:25 PM
but the seeds its decided with the actual ranking?? the ranking of this week??yes:)

juanpablo18
10-13-2005, 07:56 PM
But gasquet is going to play or not??

Grinder
10-13-2005, 08:18 PM
James has a slight chance of getting in. Since theSE spot will definitely be cleared now since Lapentti was the only person that could have qualified for special exemption, Ginepri is in. Gasquet will most likely pull out, so Spadea will be in, that means only one person needs to pull out for Blake to get in. So maybe someone like Puerta or Monfils will pull out.

idolwatcher1
10-13-2005, 08:24 PM
I think James is willing to play in the qualies...I'm sure he would enjoy not having to play in them, but I was having a hard time believing Robby would make the main draw, it'd be even more amazing if James also made it...

Deboogle!.
10-13-2005, 08:43 PM
But James's problem is that he might not be able to get to Madrid in time to be able to play qualifying because he's playing this week. So even if he's willing to try to qualify it doesn't matter if he can't physically get there in time.

Grinder, why would monfils and/or puerta withdraw? are they hurt?

AgassiDomination
10-13-2005, 09:18 PM
Agassi is out I believe.. :(

Grinder
10-13-2005, 09:44 PM
But James's problem is that he might not be able to get to Madrid in time to be able to play qualifying because he's playing this week. So even if he's willing to try to qualify it doesn't matter if he can't physically get there in time.

Grinder, why would monfils and/or puerta withdraw? are they hurt?

My bad I was thinking Murray who had hurt his hamstring, Puerta might because he might not able to concentrate with all this doping speculation in the back of his mind.

Truc
10-13-2005, 09:49 PM
Monfils withdrew from Stockholm because of a hip injury, but I think he will play in Madrid.

Puerta definitely plans to play in Madrid.

shotgun
10-13-2005, 10:07 PM
When will the draws be made??

Haute
10-13-2005, 10:20 PM
So is this how it looks right now??

1 Nadal, R (ESP)
2 Roddick, A (USA)
3 Davydenko, N (RUS)
4 Coria, G (ARG)
5 Gaudio, G (ARG)
6 Puerta, M (ARG)
7 Nalbandian, D (ARG)
8 Henman, T (GBR)
9 Gasquet, R (FRA)
10 Johansson, T (SWE)
11 Ferrer, D (ESP)
12 Hrbaty, D (SVK)
13 Stepanek, R (CZE)
14 Ljubicic, I (CRO)
15 Robredo, T (ESP)
16 Lopez, F (ESP)
17 Ferrero, JC (ESP)
18 Gonzalez, F (CHI)
19 Ancic, M (CRO)
20 Novak, J (CZE)
21 Youzhny, M (RUS)
22 Dent, T (USA)
23 Rochus, O (BEL)
24 Rusedski, G (GBR)
25 Haas, T (GER)
26 Mirnyi, M (BLR)
27 Moya, C (ESP)
28 Berdych, T (CZE)
29 Grosjean, S (FRA)
30 Beck, K (SVK)
31 Volandri, F (ITA)
32 Kiefer, N (GER)
33 Pavel, A (ROM)
34 Hanescu, V (ROM)
35 Melzer, Jurgen (AUT)
36 Monfils, Gael (FRA)
37 Acasuso, Jose (ARG)
38 Mathieu, Paul-Henri (FRA)
WC Verdasco, F (ESP)
WC Costa, A (ESP)
WC Massu, N (CHI)
SE – ATP

Alt.1 Ginepri, R (USA)
Alt.2 Spadea, V (USA)

If the tournament organizers use this weeks ranking to determine the seeds, why would Lopez be #16 if he's ranked below Ferrero right now? I think Ancic is ranked ahead of him this week too.

keqtqiadv
10-13-2005, 10:36 PM
If the tournament organizers use this weeks ranking to determine the seeds, why would Lopez be #16 if he's ranked below Ferrero right now? I think Ancic is ranked ahead of him this week too.
This is not used for the seeds. It's only the entry list. The best 16 of the list in this week rank will be the seeds.

LaTenista
10-13-2005, 10:49 PM
If James is entered in the qualies and is still playing in Stockholm on Saturday, I believe he will get the Special Exemption (SE).

keqtqiadv
10-13-2005, 10:54 PM
If James is entered in the qualies and is still playing in Stockholm on Saturday, I believe he will get the Special Exemption (SE).
He won't. Stockholm is not a ISG, so he cannot get the SE...

LaTenista
10-13-2005, 11:09 PM
He won't. Stockholm is not a ISG, so he cannot get the SE...

That is such a crap stupid rule. I'm not thinking very highly of International Series Gold, esp. when Vienna is apparently one, even though it has less prize money than both Moscow and Stockholm. :eek: :o

Deboogle!.
10-13-2005, 11:19 PM
That is such a crap stupid rule. I'm not thinking very highly of International Series Gold, esp. when Vienna is apparently one, even though it has less prize money than both Moscow and Stockholm. :eek: :oYea, it sucks :(

Galaxystorm
10-14-2005, 10:00 AM
Gasquet is out, then Spadea in .

The next would be Verdasco and if he got to enter because of the withdrawals one of the WC would be free and i wonder if this WC would be for the second player with more votes in the poll or for Beto Martin, although i suspect that Beto was the second in the poll, then one more withdrawal = Beto in.

Galaxystorm
10-14-2005, 10:44 AM
By the way, Ginepri will be seeded player and will get a bye in the first round

sigmagirl91
10-14-2005, 11:01 AM
By the way, Ginepri will be seeded player and will get a bye in the first round

How high will his seed be? I always thought only the top 8 seeds got byes.

~EMiLiTA~
10-14-2005, 11:21 AM
no, i think it's all 16 that get byes

keqtqiadv
10-14-2005, 11:33 AM
All 16 seeds get bye. The MD has 48 players, 16 byes and 32 playing first round to decide other 16 players that play with seeds. It's just maths...

sigmagirl91
10-14-2005, 11:39 AM
All 16 seeds get bye. The MD has 48 players, 16 byes and 32 playing first round to decide other 16 players that play with seeds. It's just maths...

Oh, sorry....I stand corrected. Thanks for the info.

fanancic
10-14-2005, 11:52 AM
AJMO MARIo!!!

bavaria100
10-14-2005, 12:44 PM
When will the draws be made??

The draw will be available on Sunday, the 16th of October.

shotgun
10-14-2005, 01:33 PM
The draw will be available on Sunday, the 16th of October.

Are you kidding me?? The tournaments starts on Monday and the draw will only be available on Sunday?? Too late, specially for an AMS event!

shotgun
10-14-2005, 02:11 PM
Draws

Draw of the Prior Phase: will be available Friday 14th of October at night.

Final Draw: will be available Sunday 16th of October.

:mad:

Deboogle!.
10-14-2005, 02:16 PM
That does seem quite late for the draw. but this tourney seems to do whatever it wants however it wants without regard to what might be best for players and fans :lol:

smucav
10-14-2005, 03:14 PM
(The one SE spot cleared)
OUT: Agassi, Canas, Federer, Gasquet, Hewitt, J.Johansson, M.Safin (and Soderling from ALT)
IN: Pavel, Hanescu, Melzer, Monfils, Acasuso, Mathieu, Ginepri, Spadea
NEXT: Verdasco, Blake, Chela, Srichaphan, Andreev, C.Rochus, Malisse, Carlsen

Updated entry list:
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=2327108&postcount=7

cobalt60
10-14-2005, 03:18 PM
Come on James- you need to get to Madrid! You most definitely deserve it!

Deboogle!.
10-14-2005, 04:04 PM
Verdasco got a WC though, didn't he? So why is he on the ALT list?

Good on James for still going over to Madrid, maybe he can get lucky before the draw is made and someone will pull out.

keqtqiadv
10-14-2005, 04:10 PM
Pavel!!!

Galaxystorm
10-14-2005, 05:41 PM
Verdasco got a WC though, didn't he? So why is he on the ALT list?

Because if Verdasco gets to enter in the main draw thanks for the withdrawals, the WC could be used by another player .

In any tournament happens the same , although a player gets a WC he didn't disappear from the alternates list

idolwatcher1
10-14-2005, 06:46 PM
If the seeds are based on Oct. 10th, this is approximately how it will look:

1. Nadal, R. (ESP)
2. Roddick, A. (USA)
3. Davydenko, N. (RUS)
4. Coria, G. (ARG)
5. Nalbandian, D. (ARG)
6. Puerta, M. (ARG)
7. Gaudio, G. (ARG)
8. Ljubicic, I. (CRO)
9. Johansson, T. (SWE)
10. Stepanek, R. (CZE)
11. Ferrer, D. (ESP)
12. Ancic, M. (CRO)
13. Robredo, T. (ESP)
14. Hrbaty, D. (SVK)
15. Gonzalez, F. (CHI)
16. Ginepri, R (USA) :lick:
--------------------------------------BYE ^ for all above
17. Ferrero, J. C. (ESP)
18. Lopez, F. (ESP)
19. Youzhny, M. (RUS)
20. Mirnyi, M. (BLR)
21. Dent, T. (USA)
22. Henman, T. (GBR)
23. Rochus, O. (BEL)
24. Rusedski, G. (GBR)
25. Moya, C. (ESP)
26. Grosjean, S. (FRA)
27. Novak, J. (CZE)
28. Monfils, G. (FRA)
29. Kiefer, N. (GER)
30. Verdasco, F (ESP)
31. Haas, T. (GER)
32. Volandri, F. (ITA)

Haute
10-16-2005, 01:36 AM
Is there any chance of one more person withdrawing before the draw is made?

smucav
10-16-2005, 06:09 PM
added qualifiers

Updated entry list:
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=2327108&postcount=7

Argentine girl
10-17-2005, 03:19 AM
Who took the SE spot?