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Match-fixing accusation, 2nd round, USO

tennischick
09-12-2005, 08:59 PM
who?? :confused: whom?? :confused:

ITF in new alert over 'fixed' match

By Clive White and Gavin Versi
(Filed: 11/09/2005)

The match-fixing scandal that tennis hoped would quietly go away has been back in evidence here at the United States Open.

The International Tennis Federation, under whose jurisdiction the Open falls, were alerted to a possible "fix" in the second round of the men's singles and are investigating the match in question.

It is the 48th match to fall under suspicion since the Sunday Telegraph's exclusive revelation two years ago that players were deliberately throwing matches for financial gain, but it is rare for one to occur at a grand slam event.

The Association of Tennis Professionals, the governing body of the men's professional circuit, were made aware of a sustained gamble by a group of well-known Austrian betters and passed on their tip-off to the ITF. They were warned of a specific likely ending to a match, that turned out to be correct but, due to certain circumstances, the backers did not profit by as much as they had hoped, which was seven times their stake.

The ATP have been unable to prove guilt in any of the previous 47 matches, but a match at last year's St Poelten Open, between the Georgian Irakli Labadze and Julian Knowle, of Austria, is the subject of a legal action brought by a close friend of Labadze's. He bet heavily on a 2-1 win for Knowle but bookmakers Cashpoint withheld his winnings, claiming that the match, between two friends, was fixed. Both Knowle and Labadze, who was once fined under the Tour's non-effort rule after a match in Palermo in 2003, have denied any wrongdoing.

It had been hoped that the Memorandum of Understanding that the ATP signed with Betfair, the online odds exchange, during the Sunday Telegraph's initial investigation, would go some way towards eradicating the match-fixing problem. Unfortunately, according to our investigations, this has not been the case. Those involved simply use the accounts of associates who are not accredited to the tournament.

As a senior ATP figure admitted, unless it can be proved that communication has taken place between a player and a better, no prosecutions can be made, even if the scale of the problem is reflected in the organisation's policy of "routinely monitor[ing] every match all the time… no change in odds escapes our broad network of oversight".

Players' inclinations to involve themselves in this scurrilous practice may surprise some but almost all the matches investigated occurred in the first round, where losers' prize money is just a few thousand dollars at most. Players and their intermediaries can profit by more than 10 times as much by deliberately losing a match. Frequently the losing player has been carrying an injury and was likely to lose in any case.

As a leading London bookmaker put it: "I am not saying that any player was paid to lose, but what I am saying is that in all probability the outcome of these matches was known before the players stepped on to the court.

''If you went into a casino and stood beside a roulette wheel that came up red 47 times in a row, you may start to look under the table to see what was happening to cause such an extraordinary run. It is mathematically possible, but at odds of hundreds of millions to one, highly improbable."

While players' involvement remains the arrowhead of a problem that may never go away, the ATP's effort to eliminate match-fixing have occasionally been undermined by their own actions. At the Casablanca Open in May last year, for example, a tournament director granted a player's request to reschedule his match so that, if he lost, he would be able to enter the qualifying draw of a more prestigious event.

Bjorn Rehnquist, of Sweden, was scheduled to face Nicolas Mahut in the fourth match on court. Win or lose, he would have missed the 4pm deadline for confirming entry into the French Open qualifying. Paulo Pereira, the tournament director, accepted Rehnquist's wish to play the match earlier. While there is no suggestion that Rehnquist, who lost the match 6-1, 6-2, did not give his very best effort, the ATP needlessly put themselves in a position where the integrity of a match could be questioned.

The ATP's words have not always been backed-up by their actions. When the Sunday Telegraph made its revelations two years ago, Mark Miles, then ATP chief executive and now senior adviser, responded: "We did not invite punters into this sport. If there's anything we can do to escort them out, we'd be happy to do that." So who was allowed to sponsor the Kitzbuhel Open in Austria last month? A bookmaker.

http://sport.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml

tangerine_dream
09-12-2005, 09:24 PM
Here are the second round matches:

Andre Agassi [7] def Ivo Karlovic
James Blake def Igor Andreev
Robby Ginepri def Gilles Muller
Guillermo Coria [8] def Vincent Spadea
Xavier Malisse def Brian Baker
Tommy Haas [29] def Rainer Schuettler
Richard Gasquet [13] def Giorgio Galimberti
Robin Soderling def Feliciano Lopez
Mikhail Youzhny [24] def Jonas Bjorkman
Stanislas Wawrinka def Mariano Puerta
Ivan Ljubicic [18] def Cyril Saulnier
Sebastien Grosjean def Thomas Johansson
Tommy Robredo [19] def Gustavo Kuerten
Tomas Berdych [32] def Ricardo Mello
Taylor Dent [25] def Nicolas Almagro
Roger Federer [1] def Fabrice Santoro
Lleyton Hewitt [3] def Jose Acasuso
David Nalbandian [11] def Peter Wessels
Paradorn Srichaphan def Nikolay Davydenko
Arnaud Clement def Andy Murray
Fernando Verdasco def Paul Capdeville
David Ferrer [17] def Karol Kucera
Olivier Rochus [27] def Albert Montanes
Dominik Hrbaty [15] def Michael Lammer
Max Mirnyi [30] def Florent Serra
Nicolas Kiefer def Radek Stepanek
Davide Sanguinetti def Carlos Moya
Novak Djokovic def Mario Ancic
Fernando Gonzalez [21] def Dmitry Tursunov
Jarkko Nieminen def Bjorn Phau

alfonsojose
09-12-2005, 09:24 PM
:sad: Davy .. :ignore: .. again?

tennischick
09-12-2005, 09:29 PM
thanks tangerine. i really appreciate this. :hug:

oneandonlyhsn
09-12-2005, 09:29 PM
:sad: Davy .. :ignore: .. again?

:eek:

Geniey2g
09-12-2005, 09:40 PM
*stays tuned*

Truc
09-12-2005, 09:43 PM
:sad: Davy .. :ignore: .. again?
No way a nearly top 5 player is going to fix a 2nd round loss at a Grand Slam, that doesn't make any sense.

Deivid23
09-12-2005, 10:03 PM
It makes no sense fixing a 2nd rnd in a GS but who knows...

Timariot
09-12-2005, 10:05 PM
Match fixes generally happen in obscure events...sounds dubious.

bavaria100
09-12-2005, 10:22 PM
It´s gonna be interesting to see if they´ll release the names of the players, but I wouldn´t count on it. But we shouldn´t suspect anyone right now.

marcelwks
09-12-2005, 10:39 PM
Moya lost without fight or Davy again.

Deivid23
09-12-2005, 10:45 PM
Moya lost without fight or Davy again.

You can scratch Moyá from the list. If that text is correct it should have been a straight sets defeat

Paul Banks
09-12-2005, 10:46 PM
A tanking can happen anytime, anywhere in the first rounds of any tournament.

If a player lacks motivation, he can throw away a match and tell someone to bet against him to make some extra cash. Of course I'm sure it happened in the past, and it will happen again.

Bilbo
09-12-2005, 10:50 PM
Davydenko. That fucker cost me over $2000 :banghead: :banghead:

Geniey2g
09-12-2005, 11:19 PM
Davydenko. That fucker cost me over $2000 :banghead: :banghead:
:eek: please tell me you mean vCash??

Bilbo
09-12-2005, 11:23 PM
:eek: please tell me you mean vCash??

no, real money. that fucker blew up a big parlay for me.

ys
09-12-2005, 11:23 PM
Three big upsets: Davydenko. Moya, Johansson

alelysafina
09-12-2005, 11:25 PM
Davydenko. That fucker cost me over $2000 :banghead: :banghead:

I dont think it was Nikolay, yes he lost in straight sets, but the score was 4-6, 5-7, 3-6 Plus, he just pulled out of a tounament because of injury.

alelysafina
09-12-2005, 11:33 PM
What about Feli?

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/10/22/1066631500565.html?from=storyrhs&oneclick=true

A spokesman for the website, who declined to be named, has said that its report on the obscure Long Island match between Feliciano Lopez and Jarkko Nieminen in August - in which Lopez retired ill in the second set after an unusually large sum had been bet on Nieminen - had aroused the interest of the ATP, and its executive vice-president of rules and competition, Richard Ings.

vogus
09-12-2005, 11:46 PM
At the Casablanca Open in May last year, for example, a tournament director granted a player's request to reschedule his match so that, if he lost, he would be able to enter the qualifying draw of a more prestigious event.

Bjorn Rehnquist, of Sweden, was scheduled to face Nicolas Mahut in the fourth match on court. Win or lose, he would have missed the 4pm deadline for confirming entry into the French Open qualifying. Paulo Pereira, the tournament director, accepted Rehnquist's wish to play the match earlier. While there is no suggestion that Rehnquist, who lost the match 6-1, 6-2, did not give his very best effort, the ATP needlessly put themselves in a position where the integrity of a match could be questioned.

http://sport.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml


it's standard procedure for both the ATP and WTA to allow scheduling so that players can get from one tournie to the next if they lose. This point about Rehnquist should have been left out of the article as such scheduling happens every week.

Mistaflava
09-12-2005, 11:46 PM
bullshit

Mistaflava
09-12-2005, 11:49 PM
TOJO = guilty as charged


too easy and too obvious...all of a sudden he can't play anymore???? piece of shit.

liptea
09-12-2005, 11:51 PM
YES! I knew there was a reason that Carlos Moya didn't win!

Deivid23
09-12-2005, 11:52 PM
Three big upsets: Davydenko. Moya, Johansson

It´s not like it has to be an upset. A straight sets win has odds good enough to be a heavy favourite win.

Deivid23
09-12-2005, 11:53 PM
it's so obvious it was that **** Thomas Johansson. He's been doing it for 2-3 weeks now and nobody has noticed. If it wasn't him, it was Daydenko or Ancic. I am 99.9% sure it was Tojo that piece of no good trash.

For me it´s so obvious it wasn´t ToJo :shrug:

Deivid23
09-12-2005, 11:55 PM
I have a heavy favourite in the poll, but it hasn´t been mentioned so far.

George_Hanson
09-12-2005, 11:56 PM
I'd also like to hear the explanation why Zabaleta vs Mayer in Sopot started with 1.50 on Zaba and ended with 2.60 with only three bookies not blocking this match. Thank you.

alelysafina
09-12-2005, 11:56 PM
yes? please enlighten us :)

tennischick
09-13-2005, 12:06 AM
both Duckboy and his Mojo have been cleared of all accusations. video clip to follow ;)

buddyholly
09-13-2005, 02:12 AM
I knew there was something weird about that Federer-Santoro match!!!!!

Mistaflava
09-13-2005, 02:32 AM
fuckin Tojo...someone needs to investigate and arrest that piece of shit


idiot

Sjengster
09-13-2005, 02:37 AM
Oh shut up, you abusive troll. Johansson looked awfully annoyed during the match for someone who was trying to throw it, and I've seen enough petulant behaviour of his when losing to know that it's not a one-off act.

I wondered whether Deivid was thinking of Novak, since he said on here that he's been associated with match-fixing in the past, but then he gave a walkover in the second round to Massu. Does this count as the unexpected result the article talks about? If we're talking about surprising flameouts, then Muller certainly had a shocker against Ginepri, but that can be put down to a) his inconsistency and b) Ginepri's much more solid return game and general form of late.

Mistaflava
09-13-2005, 02:40 AM
exactly my point...Tojo should win an OSCAR for his bullshit and his lies

Sjengster
09-13-2005, 02:41 AM
I suppose he was on the fix when he lost to Hrbaty in Cincy for the seventh or eighth time in a row.

Mistaflava
09-13-2005, 02:45 AM
Tojo has been playing half-ass tennis the last month. It's pretty damn obvious one of his friends in Sweden is in need of some money and this is the best way to provide it. The way he is playing lately is worthy of a...maybe....TOP 300 ranking...what a loser.

Mistaflava
09-13-2005, 02:46 AM
midget

Doctor Dance
09-13-2005, 02:48 AM
how much did you lose on ToJo mistaflava?

star
09-13-2005, 02:57 AM
Here are the second round matches:

Andre Agassi [7] def Ivo Karlovic
James Blake def Igor Andreev
Robby Ginepri def Gilles Muller
Guillermo Coria [8] def Vincent Spadea
Xavier Malisse def Brian Baker
Tommy Haas [29] def Rainer Schuettler
Richard Gasquet [13] def Giorgio Galimberti
Robin Soderling def Feliciano Lopez
Mikhail Youzhny [24] def Jonas Bjorkman
Stanislas Wawrinka def Mariano Puerta
Ivan Ljubicic [18] def Cyril Saulnier
Sebastien Grosjean def Thomas Johansson
Tommy Robredo [19] def Gustavo Kuerten
Tomas Berdych [32] def Ricardo Mello
Taylor Dent [25] def Nicolas Almagro
Roger Federer [1] def Fabrice Santoro
Lleyton Hewitt [3] def Jose Acasuso
David Nalbandian [11] def Peter Wessels
Paradorn Srichaphan def Nikolay Davydenko
Arnaud Clement def Andy Murray
Fernando Verdasco def Paul Capdeville
David Ferrer [17] def Karol Kucera
Olivier Rochus [27] def Albert Montanes
Dominik Hrbaty [15] def Michael Lammer
Max Mirnyi [30] def Florent Serra
Nicolas Kiefer def Radek Stepanek
Davide Sanguinetti def Carlos Moya
Novak Djokovic def Mario Ancic
Fernando Gonzalez [21] def Dmitry Tursunov
Jarkko Nieminen def Bjorn Phau

That dammed no-good Santoro!!!

;)

Mistaflava
09-13-2005, 03:17 AM
bunch of comedians in here tonight...zzzzzzzzzzzzz

Paul Banks
09-13-2005, 03:38 AM
how much did you lose on ToJo mistaflava?

Yeah it's clear gamblers have no objectivity. They develop irrationnal hatred toward players who made them lose money.

alelysafina
09-13-2005, 03:42 AM
exactly my point...Tojo should win an OSCAR for his bullshit and his lies

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Rosa Luxembourg
09-13-2005, 03:49 AM
Wawrinka def. Puerto looks interesting.


I know, I know that Puerta is not good on anything, but clay, but still should beat Wawrinka on hard after beating Horna, Pavel, Malisse 2 weeks before

alelysafina
09-13-2005, 03:54 AM
Wawrinka def. Puerto looks interesting.


I know, I know that Puerta is not good on anything, but clay, but still should beat Wawrinka on hard after beating Horna, Pavel, Malisse 2 weeks before

I don't know if puerta would take such a big risk after just coming off a suspension....

Scotso
09-13-2005, 04:01 AM
I'd like to know how Mistaflava avoids being banned. Accusing any player of cheating without evidence should be reason enough.

SwissMister1
09-13-2005, 04:09 AM
I don't think it was Puerta, I saw some of his first round match, he just isn't good when he's off the clay, and Wawrinka is a decent player..

Mistaflava
09-13-2005, 04:43 AM
i'm telling you guys...it was Tojo or Ancic...guaranteed

Chloe le Bopper
09-13-2005, 04:44 AM
That dammed no-good Santoro!!!

;)
:yeah:

Chloe le Bopper
09-13-2005, 04:45 AM
Ancic :haha: Yeah, right. I guess he was faking not only the injury, but the CRUSHED look after losing.

Mistaflava
09-13-2005, 04:48 AM
Ancic :haha: Yeah, right. I guess he was faking not only the injury, but the CRUSHED look after losing.



you don't seem to get it. In order for the match fixing to work, these guys have to act like they actually give a shit. Faking injuries is all part of it as well. Think about it...and the OSCAR goes to...

Chloe le Bopper
09-13-2005, 04:51 AM
Me thinks that Scott isn't the only one who skipped doing his homework tonight :)

delsa
09-13-2005, 05:19 AM
Why didn't you put 2 of the 2nd round match?
And why this trash about ToJo and Fabrice?

savesthedizzle
09-13-2005, 05:20 AM
Ancic :haha: Yeah, right. I guess he was faking not only the injury, but the CRUSHED look after losing.


And also the crying that supposedly happened. Because 21 year old men like to cry in public.

ezekiel
09-13-2005, 05:28 AM
Davydenko is the most obvious suspect if this story is true. He lost way too easy. But one would have to watch the entire match. It's reall hard to act this

Sagiel
09-13-2005, 06:58 AM
I don't think it was Puerta, I saw some of his first round match, he just isn't good when he's off the clay, and Wawrinka is a decent player..

And it was a 5 setter too, I dont think you fix a match to loose it in 5 sets.

Then again Puerta has been acussed of fixing a match this year, but the results was much more unexpected.

Deivid23
09-13-2005, 07:34 AM
i'm telling you guys...it was Tojo or Ancic...guaranteed

Guaranteed they are not. You can read between the lines in that article it should have been a 3-0 defeat

Nathaliia
09-13-2005, 08:07 AM
it was Jenkins losing to Nadal in straight sets ;)
Hmm i don't know but from the favourites... to me only Davydenko and Lopez are on the list :sad: I wouldn't count Spadea or Andreev though or even Karlović. Maybe Schuettler, the match was between the Germans... but Rainer is in so poor form... (apparently he does need the money :lol: )
If Labadze had played.... ;) /he's 1st ALT to Szczecin, I may ask him about it :angel: /

Nathaliia
09-13-2005, 08:13 AM
I'd also like to hear the explanation why Zabaleta vs Mayer in Sopot started with 1.50 on Zaba and ended with 2.60 with only three bookies not blocking this match. Thank you.
Zabaleta had an injury. We knew this before his match he was going to lose to incredible Mayer who was playing in Sopot like nowhere else. Mariano withdrew later from doubles then as well. But I saw that match, he was really fighting and wanted to win, the strokes were very long but as I said, Mayer was incredible, he always played one ball more. We were cheering for Zabaleta, he was smiling to us... really he didn't pretend anything and also demonstrated few acts of frustration being even warned for :tape:
greetings, Nathii

skel1983
09-13-2005, 08:20 AM
I would look closely to Lopez!!

Deivid23
09-13-2005, 08:22 AM
I would look closely to Lopez!!

:lol:

Poor LaLo, he wasn´t either, betting times for him are gone :sad:

Tennis Fool
09-13-2005, 08:37 AM
:cough: I would point to the match where Kafelnikov was in the stands :cough:

hitchhiker
09-13-2005, 09:37 AM
Richard Gasquet [13] def Giorgio Galimberti


the don set it up...how the fuck can gasket lose a set to this italian crap? my dog can beat this grease ball in straight sets.
and then the italian guy conveniently retires.

silverwhite
09-13-2005, 09:41 AM
the don set it up...how the fuck can gasket lose a set to this italian crap? my dog can beat this grease ball in straight sets.
and then the italian guy conveniently retires.

He was injured, maybe? :rolleyes: Why on earth would he want to play more and risk injuring his elbow further on purpose?

silverwhite
09-13-2005, 09:43 AM
Anyway, I don't think we should speculate until we get more reliable information. It's unfair to accuse a player based on our biases.

garylanders
09-13-2005, 09:45 AM
can you please stop your bitching and crying for once? This thread is about cheating so shut your mouth idiot. I was so happy when school started again because all the little kids stopped posting on these forums but evidently you chose not to do your homework tonight...go to bed.


All the little kids stopped posting here ? except you then.

hitchhiker
09-13-2005, 09:46 AM
He was injured, maybe? :rolleyes: Why on earth would he want to play more and risk injuring his elbow further on purpose?

if gasquet was injured how does he beat ljubitch and push ginepri all the way?
have you seen Galimberti play? he usually loses first round in italian challengers.

article says
"They were warned of a specific likely ending to a match, that turned out to be correct but, due to certain circumstances, the backers did not profit by as much as they had hoped, which was seven times their stake."

that means someone was supposed to win in straight sets but surprisingly lost a set but still won. gasquet is your man. richie also has a history of retiring after losing a set.

Deivid23
09-13-2005, 09:49 AM
article says
"They were warned of a specific likely ending to a match, that turned out to be correct but, due to certain circumstances, the backers did not profit by as much as they had hoped, which was seven times their stake."

that means someone was supposed to win in straight sets but surprisingly lost a set but still won. gasquet is your man. richie also has a history of retiring after losing a set.

Wrong assumption imo. That should imply a straight sets defeat

silverwhite
09-13-2005, 10:04 AM
if gasquet was injured how does he beat ljubitch and push ginepri all the way?
have you seen Galimberti play? he usually loses first round in italian challengers.


I don't know how many times I've said this but he was so injured that he was serving at around 10-20 mph slower. He might have been able to win more easily against Ljubicic and might have been able to beat Ginepri if he wasn't injured and could serve normally.

But I digress. We should just wait for more news.

pravda
09-13-2005, 11:10 AM
Hasn't Puerta been suspected of match fixing before? It could be him

star
09-13-2005, 01:04 PM
I'd like to know how Mistaflava avoids being banned. Accusing any player of cheating without evidence should be reason enough.

Not to mention his language. :eek:

And the avatar! :lol:

Angle Queen
09-13-2005, 02:52 PM
...but what I am saying is that in all probability the outcome of these matches was known before the players stepped on to the court.Ah let's guess. Roger Federer in a tournament final? Outcome known. Check. :lol:

(and noooo, I'm not accusing Roger of ANYTHING...except winning his last 23 finals!!!)

alelysafina
09-13-2005, 05:21 PM
:cough: I would point to the match where Kafelnikov was in the stands :cough:

Zhenya went?

TomTheNewb
09-13-2005, 09:07 PM
Mullers collapse against Ginepri looked a little suspect especially coming off the back of his win versus Roddick

But i think Davydenko or Puerta are the more likely suspects as others have suggested.

Action Jackson
09-14-2005, 11:16 AM
bunch of comedians in here tonight...zzzzzzzzzzzzz

Yes, once again you have shown your absolute genius and why you are in the top 0.01 per cent of intellectual brilliance that has ever posted on a message board and it's an honour to read your posts.

Action Jackson
09-14-2005, 11:18 AM
What about Feli?

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/10/22/1066631500565.html?from=storyrhs&oneclick=true

I know quite a lot of people that made money on that match and LaLo was sick, as he was throwing up on court, so that usually indicates some problem.

its.like.that
09-14-2005, 01:24 PM
TOJO = guilty as charged


too easy and too obvious...all of a sudden he can't play anymore???? piece of shit.

:lol:

yer, coz Tojo is an awesome player. Look at all the top 10 guys he beats.

:retard:

its.like.that
09-14-2005, 01:26 PM
I know quite a lot of people that made money on that match and LaLo was sick, as he was throwing up on court, so that usually indicates some problem.

Lalo had his drink spiked, nothing he could do about it.

:sad:

its.like.that
09-14-2005, 01:42 PM
Wawrinka def. Puerto looks interesting.


I know, I know that Puerta is not good on anything, but clay, but still should beat Wawrinka on hard after beating Horna, Pavel, Malisse 2 weeks before

:lol:

Then why did Mariano save match points in the 4th set?

and I suppose Mariano doesn't wanna go to Shanghai either, that's why he didn't ask for a wildcard to play Bucharest this week.

:haha:

its.like.that
09-14-2005, 01:45 PM
Hasn't Puerta been suspected of match fixing before? It could be him

:haha::haha::haha::haha::haha:

Nice one Pravda.

:yeah:

Experimentee
09-14-2005, 02:01 PM
I dont think Rehnquist would have taken more than 3 games off Mahut even if he was trying his best. If there is tanking there then Bjorn tanks most of his matches :lol:

its.like.that
09-14-2005, 02:04 PM
most probable

Paradorn Srichaphan def Nikolay Davydenko

Robin Soderling def Feliciano Lopez


unlikely

Tomas Berdych [32] def Ricardo Mello

Tommy Haas [29] def Rainer Schuettler

Robby Ginepri def Gilles Muller

Novak Djokovic def Mario Ancic

Davide Sanguinetti def Carlos Moya

Nicolas Kiefer def Radek Stepanek

Sebastien Grosjean def Thomas Johansson

Guillermo Coria [8] def Vincent Spadea


definitely not

Jarkko Nieminen def Bjorn Phau
Fernando Gonzalez [21] def Dmitry Tursunov
Max Mirnyi [30] def Florent Serra
Dominik Hrbaty [15] def Michael Lammer
Olivier Rochus [27] def Albert Montanes
David Ferrer [17] def Karol Kucera
Andre Agassi [7] def Ivo Karlovic
James Blake def Igor Andreev
Fernando Verdasco def Paul Capdeville
Arnaud Clement def Andy Murray
David Nalbandian [11] def Peter Wessels
Lleyton Hewitt [3] def Jose Acasuso
Roger Federer [1] def Fabrice Santoro
Taylor Dent [25] def Nicolas Almagro
Tommy Robredo [19] def Gustavo Kuerten
Ivan Ljubicic [18] def Cyril Saulnier
Stanislas Wawrinka def Mariano Puerta
Xavier Malisse def Brian Baker
Richard Gasquet [13] def Giorgio Galimberti
Mikhail Youzhny [24] def Jonas Bjorkman

its.like.that
09-14-2005, 02:08 PM
I dont think Rehnquist would have taken more than 3 games off Mahut even if he was trying his best. If there is tanking there then Bjorn tanks most of his matches :lol:

David Benabou has played 2 matches, and won 0 games.

I accuse him.

its.like.that
09-14-2005, 02:14 PM
most probable

Paradorn Srichaphan def Nikolay Davydenko

Robin Soderling def Feliciano Lopez


unlikely

Tomas Berdych [32] def Ricardo Mello

Tommy Haas [29] def Rainer Schuettler

Robby Ginepri def Gilles Muller

Novak Djokovic def Mario Ancic

Davide Sanguinetti def Carlos Moya

Nicolas Kiefer def Radek Stepanek

Sebastien Grosjean def Thomas Johansson

Guillermo Coria [8] def Vincent Spadea


definitely not

Jarkko Nieminen def Bjorn Phau
Fernando Gonzalez [21] def Dmitry Tursunov
Max Mirnyi [30] def Florent Serra
Dominik Hrbaty [15] def Michael Lammer
Olivier Rochus [27] def Albert Montanes
David Ferrer [17] def Karol Kucera
Andre Agassi [7] def Ivo Karlovic
James Blake def Igor Andreev
Fernando Verdasco def Paul Capdeville
Arnaud Clement def Andy Murray
David Nalbandian [11] def Peter Wessels
Lleyton Hewitt [3] def Jose Acasuso
Roger Federer [1] def Fabrice Santoro
Taylor Dent [25] def Nicolas Almagro
Tommy Robredo [19] def Gustavo Kuerten
Ivan Ljubicic [18] def Cyril Saulnier
Stanislas Wawrinka def Mariano Puerta
Xavier Malisse def Brian Baker
Richard Gasquet [13] def Giorgio Galimberti
Mikhail Youzhny [24] def Jonas Bjorkman

By the way, there are only 30 matches on this list, 2 are missing.

One is Nadal def Jenkins - definitely not.

the other is Massu def Novak by default - :lol:.

Action Jackson
09-14-2005, 02:16 PM
Maybe Jiri Novak defaulting was a fix.

Deivid23
09-14-2005, 02:30 PM
most probable

Paradorn Srichaphan def Nikolay Davydenko

Robin Soderling def Feliciano Lopez


unlikely

Tomas Berdych [32] def Ricardo Mello

Tommy Haas [29] def Rainer Schuettler

Robby Ginepri def Gilles Muller

Novak Djokovic def Mario Ancic

Davide Sanguinetti def Carlos Moya

Nicolas Kiefer def Radek Stepanek

Sebastien Grosjean def Thomas Johansson

Guillermo Coria [8] def Vincent Spadea


definitely not

Jarkko Nieminen def Bjorn Phau
Fernando Gonzalez [21] def Dmitry Tursunov
Max Mirnyi [30] def Florent Serra
Dominik Hrbaty [15] def Michael Lammer
Olivier Rochus [27] def Albert Montanes
David Ferrer [17] def Karol Kucera
Andre Agassi [7] def Ivo Karlovic
James Blake def Igor Andreev
Fernando Verdasco def Paul Capdeville
Arnaud Clement def Andy Murray
David Nalbandian [11] def Peter Wessels
Lleyton Hewitt [3] def Jose Acasuso
Roger Federer [1] def Fabrice Santoro
Taylor Dent [25] def Nicolas Almagro
Tommy Robredo [19] def Gustavo Kuerten
Ivan Ljubicic [18] def Cyril Saulnier
Stanislas Wawrinka def Mariano Puerta
Xavier Malisse def Brian Baker
Richard Gasquet [13] def Giorgio Galimberti
Mikhail Youzhny [24] def Jonas Bjorkman




Definetely, I´ll take you wouldn´t earn a life as a detective :lol:

mandoura
09-14-2005, 03:31 PM
Question please:

If a player fixes the result of a match, does it necessarily mean his opponent is on it too?

its.like.that
09-14-2005, 03:56 PM
Definetely, I´ll take you wouldn´t earn a life as a detective :lol:

I wouldn't expect a smarter statement coming from you.

tangerine_dream
09-14-2005, 04:49 PM
Hasn't Puerta been suspected of match fixing before? It could be him
Pravda, every time I see you you've got a string of cherry bombs under your name. What did you do now? :lol: Which Fedtard did you piss off?

Action Jackson
09-14-2005, 04:50 PM
Question please:

If a player fixes the result of a match, does it necessarily mean his opponent is on it too?

Not necessarily, it depends on the circumstances, all matches are rigged anyway.

Deivid23
09-14-2005, 06:31 PM
I wouldn't expect a smarter statement coming from you.

I honestly expected such a dumb theory about which is the match in question coming from you.... :lol:

And u dare to laugh at others´ theories... :rolleyes:

Deivid23
09-14-2005, 06:34 PM
Question please:

If a player fixes the result of a match, does it necessarily mean his opponent is on it too?

Not really, mandoura, in fact it´s much easier to fix a match´s result bc one player throws away the match on purpose than making and arrangement between 2 players.

tennis elbow
09-14-2005, 08:10 PM
http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050819/SPT/508190459

Davydenko puts past behind, looks ahead

By Dustin Dow


MASON - There's no magic formula for success on the ATP Tour. The simplest way to the top is to just win matches.

Nikolay Davydenko was an obscure Russian tennis player with an overall career record of well below .500 until this season. But with a 43-20 record in 2005, Davydenko is suddenly No. 7 in the world and playing today in the quarterfinals of the Western & Southern Financial Group Masters.

"You can't win everything, but you can improve," said Davydenko, whose ranking has improved steadily the past five years. "You can play good, even to come into the semis, quarters, finals - why not?"

A semifinalist in the French Open, Davydenko, 24, will play No. 3 Lleyton Hewitt tonight for a chance to reach the semifinals here.

Davydenko's breakthrough season, however, has not been entirely blissful. Last month, the ATP cleared him of a match-fixing allegation that arose after he retired from a match against a good friend, Sargis Sargsian, when Davydenko was leading 6-1, 1-0.

Gambling Web site Onthepunt.com reported that a bet of 4,000 euros was made on the underdog Sargsian five minutes before the match began, and that the bet was traced to a computer at the players' hotel in Gstaad, Switzerland.

The Web site also reported, "Because of irregularities surrounding previous matches involving Sargsian, many bookmakers had not offered odds on the match."

Davydenko, however, is 10-3 since losing that match July 4 and said the effects of dealing with the situation are minimal.

"I don't know," Davydenko said. "Maybe it's supposed to make me feel different, but it's everything the same. This year I play better, not like last year. I'm not thinking about why. It's not so easy to tell how something affects you mentally in your mind. All you're thinking about is the match."

Geniey2g
09-15-2005, 12:25 AM
^^:eek: It's drugs, I tell ya!!

buddyholly
09-15-2005, 12:40 AM
Question please:

If a player fixes the result of a match, does it necessarily mean his opponent is on it too?

Probably. Otherwise the scenario where both players independently are committed to losing would be a match worth seeing :devil:

Leo
09-15-2005, 12:46 AM
Ooh, fun guessing game. My pick is Lopez.

Experimentee
09-15-2005, 01:37 AM
Davydenko and Lopez werent heavy favourites in their matches, so they could have lost without match fixing. I really doubt that anyone would give up R3 prizemoney and lose their pride as well, just to get some money from betting.

Deivid23
09-15-2005, 07:08 AM
Davydenko and Lopez werent heavy favourites in their matches, so they could have lost without match fixing. I really doubt that anyone would give up R3 prizemoney and lose their pride as well, just to get some money from betting.

Davydenko was indeed a heavy favourite and López had also a clear favouritism on odds, but as I said it´s not like an upset has to occur in order to fix a match.

About why fixing a match in 2nd round, it sounds pretty weird at first sight, but if you think it twice, you will find a very logical scenario to do it.

Peoples
09-15-2005, 07:17 PM
About why fixing a match in 2nd round, it sounds pretty weird at first sight, but if you think it twice, you will find a very logical scenario to do it.
First round is even better. But why a grand slam? That's insane. In smaller tournaments, even the Masters you can still do the same without hurting your career so much.

Deivid23
09-15-2005, 10:11 PM
First round is even better. But why a grand slam? That's insane. In smaller tournaments, even the Masters you can still do the same without hurting your career so much.

About why fixing a match in 2nd round, it sounds pretty weird at first sight, but if you think it twice, you will find a very logical scenario to do it.

In other words: Yeah, it sounds more logical, but I guess something may happen in your first rnd match that can make you take this decision.

Geniey2g
09-15-2005, 10:41 PM
Err, do we even know if this match fixing really happened??

Deivid23
09-16-2005, 05:21 AM
Err, do we even know if this match fixing really happened??

ITF normally has a high rating at hitting these cases

its.like.that
09-17-2005, 04:15 PM
I honestly expected such a dumb theory about which is the match in question coming from you.... :lol:

And u dare to laugh at others´ theories... :rolleyes:

I dare to dream.

:haha::haha::haha:

mandoura
09-17-2005, 07:47 PM
GWH & Deivid: Thanks

buddyholly: :p