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Happy Birthday Goran Ivanisevic vs Thomas Muster at Romanian Open

Action Jackson
09-12-2005, 04:27 AM
Muster and Ivanisevic will play an exhibition tommorrow night at the Bucharest tournament.

It's Goran's birthday tomorrow as well and I wonder how much Tiriac is paying both these guys, seriously it would be good to see these two guys play again.

If any of the Romanians from the board are going to see this session, any reports would be appreciated.

Yes, it's that day and I am a bit early so happy birthday Goran.

Corey Feldman
09-12-2005, 04:49 AM
both former champions in Bucharest, sometimes i almost forget Goran could win on clay as well ;)

Action Jackson
09-12-2005, 04:53 AM
both former champions in Bucharest, sometimes i almost forget Goran could win on clay as well ;)

Goran also won the car in Stuttgart and beat Perez Roldan in that final and as a youngster he took out Becker in the first round at RG and I laughed my head off.

Corey Feldman
09-12-2005, 04:58 AM
and Kitzbuhel 94...
Becker and Henman never won a clay court event ever :sad:

its.like.that
09-12-2005, 10:58 AM
Ivanisevic was a clay court specialist. Muster will be up against it.

Action Jackson
09-12-2005, 10:59 AM
Ivanisevic was a clay court specialist. Muster will be up against it.

At least Muster isn't 105kg these days like he was when in Noosa.

its.like.that
09-12-2005, 11:03 AM
At least Muster isn't 105kg these days like he was when in Noosa.

does he still keep in touch with Jo-Beth Taylor?

that classy lass she was... :p

Action Jackson
09-12-2005, 11:09 AM
does he still keep in touch with Jo-Beth Taylor?

that classy lass she was... :p

I am not sure all I know is that both Goran and Muster are in Monaco and that Goran lost some money with dodgy builders in Croatia.

Jo-Beth all class for sure.

croat123
09-12-2005, 01:33 PM
ajmo gorane!! :p

Action Jackson
09-12-2005, 08:59 PM
Just cause it's Goran's birthday here is the classic exchange in the press he had with Mark Woodforde.

The great Woodforde vs Ivanisevic battle of the press room.

MARK WOODFORDE

Q. If you could sum it up in a couple of words, how did that feel?

MARK WOODFORDE: He just won with his serve. That was all. Once the points extended past, you know, either a doublefault or an ace or a missed return, I felt like I was doing okay, but he just served me off the court, basically, that is all. Goran has his serve and not much else, so it seems like he has got it back going together with his serve. Over in the year he had the yips with it totally and, you know, wasn't putting them in. He had poor results and then, you know, probably from grass courts on he seems to have, you know, just -- got back into to sync with it. He is starting to win. He wins with his serve. It is not much else that he wins with it.

Q. Is that a fault in the men's game that a guy can go out there and just serve people off the court and not really have to structure points?

MARK WOODFORDE: Well, I don't see what the attraction is. I can't believe that the game is going that way and the fans want to see tennis like that. What do you want to see? There is nothing happening. It is just a big serve and nothing else. His games were going by so quickly. I think that is why he probably -- when he is not having a good day and someone returns his serve back all the time and he sort of blows up because what else can he do? I just -- for me, I mean, if I was watching tennis, I wouldn't go and watch a guy like him play because what does he do? He doesn't do anything except serve, but he is still one of the stars of the game. He has developed it and that is great. It is a beautiful serve to watch. It is very natural, but I wouldn't -- if I was paying money to come to the US Open, I wouldn't go and sit by his court. (Laughs)

Q. On McEnroe good days when he was -- obviously different kind of serve, but even on McEnroe good days, were you able to guess right?

MARK WOODFORDE: Well, when probably -- when McEnroe was playing, I mean, he didn't serve up to -- I don't know exactly, but I would doubt whether he was serving consistently 120 odd like Goran was today. McEnroe certainly had fantastic disguise, but he also had a lot more to his game, I think.

Action Jackson
09-12-2005, 09:00 PM
Goran Ivanisevic

Q. Woodforde was in here. He said that you have a serve and not much else. He wouldn't pay to watch you play tennis. What are your views on his comment?

GORAN IVANISEVIC: I don't know, he once -- he doesn't like me too much. He wanted to hit me today with this ball. Actually he hit me and he didn't say sorry, but he said once he is better player than me, but I don't see how, the way he is, the way his game is, man, it is very tough to watch. I think it is time for him to retire singles. In doubles, he is still good, because he still can cover half the court, but he looks very poor at the court. Pretty old, can't move, with that shitty backhand you can't beat anybody. If I have son, just show Woodforde picture, you can't play tennis like him otherwise, man --

Q. Apart from that, what is it between you?

GORAN IVANISEVIC: Me and him?

Q. Yeah.

GORAN IVANISEVIC: I don't have nothing against him, but he always talks how bad I am, but you cannot be bad and beat second in the world and Top-10 for six years, and at least he hit me on the purpose, I was at the net. He had straight forehand to me. He had a smash. He could -- I turned my back and he hit me, I don't know, somewhere he hit me, he didn't say sorry. So he hates me. But then I hit an ace after that and that kills him. I see on his face, those guys are poor, they can't do anything and then they hit you, it is a poor thing.

Action Jackson
09-12-2005, 09:02 PM
more Ivanisevic comments about Woodforde.
This was after 1999 Scottsdale championships, a match that Woodforde won.

Q. Mark said your serve wasn't working and that is why he won. What made the difference today in your mind?

GORAN IVANISEVIC: I didn't have four shots today. Second serve bad. No forehand down-the-line. Bad return and backhand was too risky. And I did a lot of running. I hit only forehand crosscourt, he stand there and made me left right, left right, I was running like idiot. I think myself this is Woodforde I am playing, not Sampras, what is going on? Maybe I need time out because when you lose to Woodforde unless it is doubles, then you look in mirror and ask yourself what is happening, is engine working.

RebelNYC
09-12-2005, 09:10 PM
Oh, I hope for sure somebody attends and gives us a full report! It would be fun to
be there and see those two play!

its.like.that
09-13-2005, 08:00 AM
I'd like to see a Woodforde v Goran rematch.

:cool:

Wednesday Addams
09-14-2005, 12:40 PM
:wavey:

I was there yesterday, so I guess I'll fill you in. :)

The match started at 8 pm, the audience watched two introduction clips on both players. Then they came on court.... Happy Birthday was sung for Goran and there were some fireworks (u know, the kind that spray out, don't know what they're called :o) and baloons were released.
The match was two out of three with a tiebreak (to ten points) for a third set.
It was entertaining, they both made some good shots and joked around (u know, the usual stuff). Goran hit some nice aces too and Muster hit one (at which point he said "My first ace since '95!" :lol: ).
Muster won 6-3 7-5 (he did play better, esp in the first set). At three match points for Muster, they got some drinks out (beer??) and drank, we sang Happy Birthday again and then Goran put his drink down on the court (at the T) for Muster to hit it. He didn't, but the shot was in. Then they stayed and signed some autographs and made pictures..... and that's abt it. :)

If u have any questions, feel free to ask.....

Action Jackson
09-14-2005, 12:43 PM
Thanks a lot for the report.

Was there a big crowd for this match? It's good to see that someone actually saw that Muster has a sense of humour and hitting first ace since 95.

How were they hitting the ball?

Wednesday Addams
09-14-2005, 12:52 PM
Yep, it was almost full.

Muster is really funny, seriously. He made all these silly impersonations of different players that take a lot of time to serve.... it was hilarious :lol: And joked around with the ballkids (if u want me to elaborate, tell me)

Well, at the beggining, Goran was hitting harder than Muster (he's older than Goran and not his size).... but then they both got into it, at they were hitting the ball really hard on most rallies. Goran's return was pretty awful, like his dropshots :lol: (Muster on the other hand hit some :hearts: ones)

Anda
09-14-2005, 01:51 PM
It was incredible.I laughed my ass off!!!
Goran hit a perfect shot between the legs,joked with the ballboys and hit muster in his a** when the latter dared him!
They also impersonated ballerinas.They were amazing;the crowd was roaring with laughter the whole time

Action Jackson
09-14-2005, 01:53 PM
Which players were they making fun of? I wonder if Massu had the piss taken out of him.

Wednesday Addams
09-14-2005, 02:15 PM
Well, he did the Hewitt-like incessant tugging of the shirt, kissed his cross medalion a couple of times, did that annoying arm-swinging motion some players do right before throwing the ball into the air..... oh, and during rallies they did the Guga-like shrieking and moaning :lol:.... everything highly exaggerated, of course :lol:

its.like.that
09-14-2005, 02:15 PM
Becker's and Edberg's serves are always good to have a laugh at.

Jonas used to do a good job of impersonating other players.

Action Jackson
09-14-2005, 02:17 PM
Well, he did the Hewitt-like incessant tugging of the shirt, kissed his cross medalion a couple of times, did that annoying arm-swinging motion some players do right before throwing the ball into the air..... oh, and during rallies they did the Guga-like shrieking and moaning :lol:.... everything highly exaggerated, of course :lol:

Yes, the Guga grunt definitely needs some mickey taking. I just wish Muster did a McEnroe impression, it needs to be hammed up for the crowd.

I hope I can find some pics somewhere.

Wednesday Addams
09-14-2005, 02:24 PM
Yes, the Guga grunt definitely needs some mickey taking. I just wish Muster did a McEnroe impression, it needs to be hammed up for the crowd.

I hope I can find some pics somewhere.
Well, he did (almost) moon the umpire. Also, they argued over shots and called him down a couple of times. Goran gave him a banana, because he said he couldn't hear what he was saying (he needed some energy) :lol:

Wednesday Addams
09-14-2005, 02:53 PM
Btw, I looked for pics from the match, but couldn't find any...... *hates the romanian media* This is the only pic I could find..... I'll look again tmrw :shrug:

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/1700/goranivaniseviciap6vi.jpg

Action Jackson
09-14-2005, 03:00 PM
I found this great pic of Muster and what a surprise when facing Goran's serve.

http://www.gotennis.com/Photos/2005-09-13T210108Z_01_BUC03D_RTRIDSP_2_SPORT-TENNIS.jpg

http://www.gotennis.com/Photos/2005-09-13T210238Z_01_BUC05D_RTRIDSP_2_SPORT-TENNIS.jpg

http://www.gotennis.com/Photos/2005-09-13T210148Z_01_BUC04D_RTRIDSP_2_SPORT-TENNIS.jpg

Wednesday Addams
09-14-2005, 03:13 PM
Ahh, kewl :yeah: Where'd u get them from?

The first one was when he turned around, bent over and dared Ivanisevic to hit him in the ass. And Goran did. With a ball (lmao, no idea where he got the helmet from, tho)

Action Jackson
09-14-2005, 03:15 PM
You can get anything in Romania can't you, the helmet just adds more effect.

Wednesday Addams
09-14-2005, 03:19 PM
You can get anything in Romania can't you,
Hmmmm.... who have you been talking to? *mobster look*

Action Jackson
09-14-2005, 03:20 PM
Hmmmm.... who have you been talking to? *mobster look*

Ion Tiriac.

its.like.that
09-14-2005, 03:20 PM
:lol:

that match would have been better than the whole US Open.

Wednesday Addams
09-14-2005, 03:29 PM
Ion Tiriac.
Yep, he would know.

christi
09-14-2005, 03:37 PM
Pix from last night's match in Bucharest...



http://www.gsp.ro/images/content/articles/2005/9/22957/z8i9907-12485358083d94abc48ad_450_300_.jpg

http://www.gsp.ro/images/content/articles/2005/9/22957/z8i0121-124853604564d56d8baca_450_300_.jpg

http://www.gsp.ro/images/content/articles/2005/9/22957/z8i0154-124853616790da194ac8f_450_586_.jpg

http://www.gsp.ro/images/content/articles/2005/9/22957/z8i0249-124853627fcea41467228_450_300_.jpg

http://www.gsp.ro/images/content/articles/2005/9/22957/z8i0432-124853669a48dc9dd6a12_450_519_.jpg

http://www.gsp.ro/images/content/articles/2005/9/22957/z8i0491-124853789a53ac7cb0c97_450_300_.jpg

http://www.gsp.ro/images/content/articles/2005/9/22957/z8i9966-124853928c6dd8dba10a5_450_514_.jpg

Action Jackson
09-14-2005, 03:44 PM
http://www.gsp.ro/images/content/articles/2005/9/22957/z8i9799-124853548b8b11d235b03_450_496_.jpg

http://www.gsp.ro/images/content/articles/2005/9/22957/z8i0461-124853722335c5efaef82_450_584_.jpg

http://www.gsp.ro/images/content/articles/2005/9/22957/z8i0207-124853906f7e19377de69_450_518_.jpg

Action Jackson
09-14-2005, 03:45 PM
:lol:

that match would have been better than the whole US Open.

That's a big call though it would be more interesting for some of us.

Jogy
09-14-2005, 07:31 PM
Muster was a petualant asshole on court and one of the biggest jerks that pro tennis knows. I cannot believe that Ivanisevic celebrate birthday with him in Romania.

jguisa8
09-15-2005, 05:53 AM
Actually he was one of the most misunderstood and misrepresented (by some american media sector not all) players of his generation, even do is Goran Ivanisevic the one that takes the palms for his media room quotes, Muster doesn´t fall far behind, he always brought an unique sense of humor into the press conferences and allways had an smart-interesting answer for tennis and off tennis topics.

About Goran celebrating his birthday with him... well they are great friends and have played many exhibitions even when touring the pro circuit, some of those where for charity related issues and where as well very theatrical from both sides, those guys could make the harlem globe troters (i misspelled this didn´t i?) version of tennis and get a good living!!, also, goran is old enough to invite anyone he wants for his birthday party!!! ;)

I must admit that i am a huge fan of both guys, and i miss their games and personalities on the regular tour, and one more thing about Musterman, is that how can you not become a fan of a guy who goes like these in front of his home audience, after auctioning with the public all of his clohtes...

Keep on cheeky Tom!! :worship: http://rhein-zeitung.de/old/96/07/16/sport/news/mupopo.jpg

hitchhiker
09-15-2005, 08:28 AM
can anyone think of a more dull way to celebrate birthday then to play muster on clay.
no wonder the crowd needed to entertain themselves and started to strip.

Neely
09-15-2005, 01:17 PM
can anyone think of a more dull way to celebrate birthday then to play muster on clay.
no wonder the crowd needed to entertain themselves and started to strip.
:haha:

Action Jackson
09-15-2005, 01:21 PM
Muster was a petualant asshole on court and one of the biggest jerks that pro tennis knows. I cannot believe that Ivanisevic celebrate birthday with him in Romania.

Coming from someone that likes Haas, that is funny.

hitchhiker
09-15-2005, 02:34 PM
Coming from someone that likes Haas, that is funny.

is that musters hASS i just saw? jesus, i will never recover.

Action Jackson
09-15-2005, 02:35 PM
is that musters hASS i just saw? jesus, i will never recover.

I wouldn't know alfonso is the arse man around here and as for stripping that wasn't in Bucharest.

Neely
09-15-2005, 02:52 PM
Coming from someone that likes Haas, that is funny.
To be fair to Haas and while Haas, like so many other players, certainly is not the best behaved player on the world, but the gamesmanship/antics/spitting that Muster unleashed throughout his career is quite two or three levels above the usual swearing, racket throwing or petulance that Haas is normally displaying and while Muster was still lots of fun to watch most of the time and besides a great player, Jogy is not too wrong about his observations about Muster's behaviour back then as an active pro player.

Action Jackson
09-15-2005, 02:59 PM
To be fair to Haas and while Haas, like so many other players, certainly is not the best behaved player on the world, but the gamesmanship/antics/spitting that Muster unleashed throughout his career is quite two or three levels above the usual swearing, racket throwing or petulance that Haas is normally displaying and while Muster was still lots of fun to watch most of the time and besides a great player, Jogy is not too wrong about his observations about Muster's behaviour back then as an active pro player.

It's still questionable on court behaviour at whatever level and anyone who has watched tennis when Muster was playing knows he wasn't angel and never pretended be one. Haas is a petulant shit, pretty boy and a jerk and well Muster wasn't a pretty boy, it could be argued easily that he was the other two, it's petulance whichever way it's looked at.

Neely
09-15-2005, 03:02 PM
It's still questionable on court behaviour at whatever level and anyone who has watched tennis when Muster was playing knows he wasn't angel and never pretended be one. Haas is a petulant shit, pretty boy and a jerk and well Muster wasn't a pretty boy, it could be argued easily that he was the other two, it's petulance whichever way it's looked at.
To say it in other words, the key point of the whole thing is: I've seen by far worse things of Muster than from Haas which makes Jogy's observations right. And it doesn't matter for me if one pretends to be not an angel or not or how much a pretty boy somebody is or not.

Action Jackson
09-15-2005, 03:09 PM
To say it in other words, the key point of the whole thing is: I've seen by far worse things of Muster than from Haas which makes Jogy's observations right. And it doesn't matter for me if one pretends to be not an angel or not or how much a pretty boy somebody is or not.

Ok, if you want to go on that line it's like a criminal, there maybe 2 different types of crimes one maybe the worse than the other, but they are still criminals.

In other words they are both pricks for different reasons, but still pricks.

Neely
09-15-2005, 03:13 PM
In other words they are both pricks for different reasons, but still pricks.
Exactly, it matters for what somebody is a prick and how much a prick somebody is and as for that, Muster was clearly the bigger one for me.

Action Jackson
09-15-2005, 03:16 PM
Exactly.

In reality they both have these tendencies, it's just a question of which one is prefered.

What Muster antics are you talking about?

Neely
09-15-2005, 03:23 PM
In reality they both have these tendencies, it's just a question of which one is prefered.
Probably, I wouldn't deny that. For me, one showed these tendencies much worse than the other.

What Muster antics are you talking about?
His gestures to intimidate his opponent, his behaviour when an opponent was serving for an important game or the match (delaying time, going suddenly once to the towel, then a 2nd time), his antics when hitting into the body of players when he shouted out after that right in the face of his opponent, spitting after players, denying hand shakes... to name a few

Action Jackson
09-15-2005, 03:27 PM
His gestures to intimidate his opponent, his behaviour when an opponent was serving for an important game or the match (delaying time, going suddenly once to the towel, then a 2nd time), his antics when hitting into the body of players when he shouted out after that right in the face of his opponent, spitting after players, denying hand shakes... to name a few

You're funny you have a problem with him hitting the ball directly at the opponent when it's the easiest way to win a point, yet no problem with faking injuries and taking time outs.

As for refusals it wasn't him, it was the other players that refused to shake his hand.

Neely
09-15-2005, 04:09 PM
You're funny you have a problem with him hitting the ball directly at the opponent when it's the easiest way to win a point, yet no problem with faking injuries and taking time outs.
I don't have a problem with hitting the balls directly at the opponent, it's the reaction after that (would Hewitt do something like that he would get slaughtered, lynched and eaten alive). I never said I thought it was illegal or bad to do that. And to debunk another myth, I don't endorse faking injuries and never said otherwise; I'm saying it is legal to take an injury time out at any point of the match and if it gets granted and if the player gets treatment for whatever reason it's not the fault of the player and therefore is legal.

revolution
09-15-2005, 04:14 PM
Muster was funny when Austria played GB in the DC, he was up off his seat at every point they won.

Action Jackson
09-15-2005, 04:19 PM
I don't have a problem with hitting the balls directly at the opponent, it's the reaction after that (would Hewitt do something like that he would get slaughtered, lynched and eaten alive). I never said I thought it was illegal or bad to do that. And to debunk another myth, I don't endorse faking injuries and never said otherwise; I'm saying it is legal to take an injury time out at any point of the match and if it gets granted and if the player gets treatment for whatever reason it's not the fault of the player and therefore is legal.

I remember you complaining about Gonzalez hitting the ball at Hewitt in Dusseldorf last year, no that is something I have not made up. Actually I don't care if Hewitt does it, as it's the easiest way to win a point and that goes for all players. Injury timeouts are not refused, as whether it's the fault of the player, they don't have to do it.

Action Jackson
09-15-2005, 04:20 PM
Muster was funny when Austria played GB in the DC, he was up off his seat at every point they won.

I heard he was getting very fired up.

Neely
09-15-2005, 04:29 PM
I remember you complaining about Gonzalez hitting the ball at Hewitt in Dusseldorf last year, no that is something I have not made up.
Damn, I remember it perfectly. I said after that Gonzalez should be banned and he did the worst possible thing he could do.

Action Jackson
09-15-2005, 04:30 PM
Damn, I remember it perfectly. I said after that Gonzalez should be banned and he did the worst possible thing he could do.

Nah, you would only say that if it was Federer.

Jogy
09-15-2005, 04:34 PM
Hey Hitler, do you really try saying me that Haas is a prick and what Muster has did was okay? :haha: :haha:

Jogy
09-15-2005, 04:35 PM
Nah, you would only say that if it was Federer.
No that would be me :) :p

Action Jackson
09-15-2005, 04:38 PM
Hey Hitler, do you really try saying me that Haas is a prick and what Muster has did was okay? :haha: :haha:

All I am saying is Haas is a petulant prick and Muster is an arsehole, as bad as each other, just depending on your preference.

Jogy
09-15-2005, 04:42 PM
All I am saying is Haas is a petulant prick and Muster is an arsehole, as bad as each other, just depending on your preference.
I say that Muster spitting is more bad as Haas swearing to Ayme or destroying rackets.

Action Jackson
09-15-2005, 04:49 PM
I say that Muster spitting is more bad as Haas swearing to Ayme or destroying rackets.

They're both pricks to me, and I have never said Muster was a great guy on court and never will.

Jogy
09-15-2005, 04:50 PM
Good you can admit that. I thinked you want to say only Haas is a prick.

Choupi
09-15-2005, 04:51 PM
All I am saying is Haas is a petulant prick and Muster is an arsehole, as bad as each other, just depending on your preference.
Muster is maybe an arsehole, as you say, but hey, I tend to like bad boys...at least in tennis! And I don't think that Haas has that class which could make me think alike...

Action Jackson
09-15-2005, 04:52 PM
Good you can admit that. I thinked you want to say only Haas is a prick.

I mean I loved watching Muster play, not cause it was beautiful tennis, he was such a warrior and the like, but he'd do what it took to win and not always good, it's not that difficult to see that.

I don't need an excuse to rip into Haas, but I mean say Costa for an example is a very classy guy on court, something Haas isn't and he and Muster had great battles. I was more a fan of Muster's tennis and interviews.