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ANDRE AGASSI FOREVER !!! - THE BEST RETURNER IN THE HISTORY OF THE GAME!!!

Gigan
09-06-2005, 12:53 AM
Day 8 - Andre Agassi (USA) [7] vs. Xavier Malisse (Bel)

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Seemingly well on his way toward a short day of work, leading 6-3, 6-4 after the first two sets, Malisse stormed back in the third-set tie-break, giving Agassi all that he could handle. “The standard that Malisse played in the third and fourth was really high,” said Agassi. “I needed to answer that. I did in the fifth.” Almost conceding the fourth set, Agassi unleashed his reserve tank and exploded in the fifth set, closing out the match with a pair of breaks. Just as everyone was writing his eulogy, the X-Man decided that he wasn’t quite ready to call it a tournament, extending the two-time US Open champion to a nail-biting five sets. “If he's been unpredictable, he's answered that question this tournament. He's knuckled down and gotten the job done,” said Agassi about the 25-year-old..


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Appearing weary in the fourth set, Agassi dug deep and summoned a second wind that buoyed him to the win. The biggest break of the match, Agassi penetrated the Malisse serve at 2-1 in the fifth. Converting on the second break point of the game, Agassi hit a vintage backhand winner that got him to 3-1. A game later, Agassi extended the lead to 4-1, closing out the match in style with another break of serve. Out of it for the first two sets and in grave danger of a straight-sets defeat, spraying unforced errors and at the mercy of Agassi, the X-Man sprung to life. Giving the capacity crowd more tennis than it had expected, Malisse extended the match by winning the third-set tie-break and carried that momentum through to the fourth.


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The legend today passed the great Jimmy Connors as the oldest player to reach the quarterfinals of the US Open. At 35 years, 135 days by the time the Open ends, Agassi’s fitness rivals the very best of the teenagers and 20-somethings whom he plays against daily. Keeping him in the match when things were looking grim, the X-Man slammed 26 aces past Agassi, arguably the best returner in the history of the game. The Belgian came in on many of those serves, converting on 22 of 33 (67 percent) net approaches.


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The two-time US Open champion reaches the quarterfinals of New York for the fifth time in a row. Hard to overlook a possible dream match-up in the making, if James Blake can defeat Tommy Robredo on Monday, Agassi would meet his fellow American in primetime Wednesday night in Arthur Ashe Stadium. Talk about a hard ticket to get your hands on. All things considered a solid result for the pony-tailed Belgian. His come-from-behind, third-round win over No. 24 Mikhail Youzhny after being two sets down was something to build on. Having played a forgettable match, if Malisse can take a page from the Agassi work ethic, he still has time to turn around his career and take it to the next level.


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To no one’s surprise, the jam-packed Labor Day crowd was out in full support for Agassi, one of the most popular tennis players of all time. Meanwhile, back in the players’ dining room, James Blake and his “J Block” were enjoying a pre-match meal before his late-afternoon fourth-rounder against Tommy Robredo. His first match of the tournament inside Arthur Ashe Stadium on a sun-splashed, blue-skied New York afternoon, at least the scenic view was a welcome sight for Malisse… Except for Agassi staring him down on the other side of the net, of course.
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:wavey: Andre Agassi forever :wavey:

AgassiFan
09-06-2005, 01:41 AM
1. Andre is lunging at every semi-decent kick-serve... I am sorry, but when you watch Federer or even Hewitt for that matter hittnig passing shot serve-returns almost at will, Agassi's return-skills are pedestrian in comparison. And I say this as a huge Agassi fan.

2. Gigan, are you a Muslim? Or are you an Armenian Christian?

daze11
09-06-2005, 02:08 AM
this is only in response to the thread name not the whole post, which covered a lot more ground. but bud collins said a few weeks ago that chris evert had the best return of serve ever, and i'd have to agree. some say you cant compare mens & womens tennis on such points, but evert was the very best.

megadeth
09-06-2005, 02:27 AM
agassi is best because he can return offensively, rather than defensively.

if you look at his matches with pete in '95, you'll get what i mean.

federer express
09-06-2005, 02:28 AM
this is only in response to the thread name not the whole post, which covered a lot more ground. but bud collins said a few weeks ago that chris evert had the best return of serve ever, and i'd have to agree. some say you cant compare mens & womens tennis on such points, but evert was the very best.

like you said...cant compare mens and womens.

in recent times agassi has been the best returner for a consistent period of time. he has the quickest eyes and hands when returning serve. sadly now he is getting older and his reach is becoming more of an issue with the giants serving at him. he still returns like almost nobody else now in the game...or ever.

AgassiFan
09-06-2005, 02:36 AM
agassi is best because he can return offensively, rather than defensively.

if you look at his matches with pete in '95, you'll get what i mean.


How many clean passing shots/winners does Agassi hit off a serve per game? How about serve returns that result in forced errors by an opponent? Then compare that to an average Federer or Hewitt game...

'95? That's 10 years ago, are you crazy!







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oneandonlyhsn
09-06-2005, 02:38 AM
He used to be not anymore

MisterQ
09-06-2005, 02:42 AM
There are several different approaches to the return game. I would say that Agassi is the best at one of those approaches.

If the ball comes into Agassi's strike zone, he is still the finest striker of an offensive yet consistent return. He can react to a serve of any speed with pinpoint timing and place the return deep with pace.

He does lack the reach and mobility of a Hewitt or a Federer, however, especially at this age, and his close positioning makes him more vulnerable to a big serve which can hit the sides or corners of the box. Agassi is not as comfortable as some others with slicing the return back from a stretched position. So it is safe to say that others get more balls back into play, albeit less aggressively.

megadeth
09-06-2005, 02:48 AM
How many clean passing shots/winners does Agassi hit off a serve per game? How about serve returns that result in forced errors by an opponent? Then compare that to an average Federer or Hewitt game...

'95? That's 10 years ago, are you crazy!







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well, this 'aint an argument based on the present isn't it? otherwise, why wold chris evert be brought up?

in terms of the technical execution, percentage and all that fuss aside, no one could match andre on the offensive return.

AgassiFan
09-06-2005, 02:51 AM
Agassi is not as comfortable as some others with slicing the return back from a stretched position. So it is safe to say that others get more balls back into play, albeit less aggressively.


Then why do Federer and Hewitt end up with twice or three times as many return-winners than Agassi if what you're saying is true?

I like how Andre has been using the slice backhand Steffi taught him - he even makes it into an offensive weapon when he has placement down the line or a drop shot.... Maybe it's time Andre also acquaints himself with this thing tennis players refer to as 'top spin'; it's great at creating angles and counter-punching where his usual flat power-swing may not be the best idea...


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federer express
09-06-2005, 02:52 AM
Then why do Federer and Hewitt end up with twice or three times as many return-winners than Agassi if what you're saying is true?

I like how Andre has been using the slice backhand Steffi taught him - he even makes it into an offensive weapon when he has placement down the line or a drop shot.... Maybe it's time Andre also acquants himself with this thing tennis players refer to as 'top spin'; it's great at creating angles and counter-punching where his usual flat power-swing may not be the best idea...

you dont think agassi can hit angles? interesting...

and i think his career speaks for itself without getting tips on how to hit topspin or any other kind of shot from anyone here

megadeth
09-06-2005, 02:55 AM
agassi uses top spin most of the time even on returns. he has this flick of the wrist that allows the ball to dip at the last minute.

agassifan, are you indeed an agassi fan? seems to me you don't know anything about agassi's technical part of the game much...

fed and hewitt has more return winners in terms of forcing an error from their opponents or setting up points. agassi, goes for broke and for clean winners on the returns...

AgassiFan
09-06-2005, 02:58 AM
you dont think agassi can hit angles? interesting...




He can create angles, but not enough IMO. It's clear he can't blow his opponents off the court like he used to; I think using all the tactical experience he's accumulated in the last 20 years and playing with more variety could maybe help him on some nights.

I mean, he used to get owned on the backhand side, getting caught flat-footed... but that little slicer he has, when it works anyway, bails him out of some trouble and even becomes a counter-punching weapon (such as the match point against Malisse, which he would have lost had he tried the normal backhand)...

I just can't imagine him beating Gasquet or Nadal, let alone King Roger the way he's playing like stiff these days...

Neely
09-06-2005, 03:13 AM
There are several different approaches to the return game. I would say that Agassi is the best at one of those approaches.

If the ball comes into Agassi's strike zone, he is still the finest striker of an offensive yet consistent return. He can react to a serve of any speed with pinpoint timing and place the return deep with pace.

He does lack the reach and mobility of a Hewitt or a Federer, however, especially at this age, and his close positioning makes him more vulnerable to a big serve which can hit the sides or corners of the box. Agassi is not as comfortable as some others with slicing the return back from a stretched position. So it is safe to say that others get more balls back into play, albeit less aggressively.
Completely my view on that, Q :worship:

TennisLurker
09-06-2005, 03:19 AM
Ferreira, Becker and Korda were very good too

AgassiFan
09-06-2005, 03:37 AM
agassifan, are you indeed an agassi fan? seems to me you don't know anything about agassi's technical part of the game much...
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I know a hell of a lot more than you do, that's for sure. Agassi's returns are some flattest on Tour, which is not a bad thing when you have otherwordly racquet speed/timing, but Andre's reflexes aren't what they used to be and it shows when a lot of his returns, especially on the backhand side, float in the middle of the court where they can be tee'd off by an opponent...

fed and hewitt has more return winners in terms of forcing an error from their opponents or setting up points. agassi, goes for broke and for clean winners on the returns..

Then how come his Serve-return winners totals are so low, as compared to Federer and Hewitt? I mean, if he is still a great returner AND he goes for broke so much... He'd be hitting passing shots off every other 2nd serve...

AgassiFan
09-06-2005, 03:41 AM
I miss the days when people who actually understand the game, like say WyverN or GeorgeWHitler would weign in in debates like this one...

megadeth
09-06-2005, 03:42 AM
He can create angles, but not enough IMO. It's clear he can't blow his opponents off the court like he used to; I think using all the tactical experience he's accumulated in the last 20 years and playing with more variety could maybe help him on some nights.

I just can't imagine him beating Gasquet or Nadal, let alone King Roger the way he's playing like stiff these days...

what can you expect? he's been playing for 20 yrs already. duh! the fact that he can push fed to 5 sets, come close to nadal had he not been irritated by the 19yr old, goes to show that andre is still up there.

you can't expect him to meet your expectations of 1995. of course you deteriorate over time.

what do you mean not enough angles? obviously you haven't been following his matches enough. that's why he makes his opponents become like a human yoyo IMO.

AgassiFan
09-06-2005, 03:49 AM
.what do you mean not enough angles? obviously you haven't been following his matches enough

You still don't get it: there is no doubt Andre is still a formidable opponent when he can dictate pace or otherwise control the point; he goes into 'practice' mode and doesn't make a lot of mistakes while his opponent is running from corner to corner. He takes the ball early, so he can afford not to use too much top spin.

The problem comes into play when he is playing against a tough opponent and is forced to play defense/counter punch. He used to be a passing-shot machine, but now when he needs tremendeous counter-punching/angle-creating skills to survive against guys like Federer, more often than not, he ends up making a (forced) error.

Then watch Nadal or Hewitt hitting crazy top-spinners while 15 feet off the court and off balance... Those points Andre never wins.

AgassiFan
09-06-2005, 03:52 AM
I miss the days when people who actually understand the game, like say WyverN or GeorgeWHitler would weign in in debates like this one...

Hey, speaking of which.... is Leena still around?

It's a shame I never got to fuck that deliciously bitchy/moody Russian. :sad:

megadeth
09-06-2005, 04:00 AM
I know a hell of a lot more than you do, that's for sure. Agassi's returns are some flattest on Tour, which is not a bad thing when you have otherwordly racquet speed/timing, but Andre's reflexes aren't what they used to be and it shows when a lot of his returns, especially on the backhand side, float in the middle of the court where they can be tee'd off by an opponent...



Then how come his Serve-return winners totals are so low, as compared to Federer and Hewitt? I mean, if he is still a great returner AND he goes for broke so much... He'd be hitting passing shots off every other 2nd serve...

you just answered your own question. when you go for broke on every return, of course, your prone to making more errors. that's why fed/hew have more winners. besides, we're discussing the technical aspect of his return like i said, not the percentages etc.

you just don't get it.

and i don't agree that agasi hits flat more than spin as to what you're saying. i've read enough magazines that breaks down dre's strokes and it shows that even on returns, there's still ahint of spin in it that makes the ball land deep. sure, he hits flat sometimes, especially on putaways, but to say that he doesn't generate much top spin now is a fluke.

AgassiFan
09-06-2005, 04:29 AM
you just answered your own question.

Huh? This is what you said

fed and hewitt has more return winners in terms of forcing an error from their opponents or setting up points. agassi, goes for broke and for clean winners on the returns..

You said Agassi goes for broke a lot... If he's such a great returner AND he is prone to taking risks, then he would have very high Winner totals off his returns - but he doesn't!

Federer and Hewitt hit way more passing shots off ground strokes and serve returns than Agassi does. Ditto for Nadal and Gasquet.

i've read enough magazines that breaks down dre's strokes and it shows that even on returns, there's still ahint of spin in it that makes the ball land deep. sure, he hits flat sometimes, especially on putaways, but to say that he doesn't generate much top spin now is a fluke

I didn't say he was spin-free, so don't put words in my mouth. I said now that he has learned to utilize that slice backhand effectively as a defensive measure, maybe he should start hitting those Spaniard-esque heavy top-spinners and creating crazy angles on the run.... You can't expect Andre to beat Federer even on a bad day when he gets caught flat-footed so much and tries to hit a flat-ball from unfavorable angles... Whereas Federer kills him with angles and placement.

Just once I'd like to see Andre come out against a tough opponent and hit 40 non-serve winners to just 15-20 EU... I mean, if he's such a magician with the tennis ball, that shouldn't be a problem, right?




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max122
09-06-2005, 04:35 AM
Agassi is the best returner in the game PERIOD

Tennis Fool
09-06-2005, 04:56 AM
AgassiFan you crack me up :haha: Do you like any other players besides Agassi?

BTW, where has Wyvern been? Haven't seen him for months...

AgassiFan
09-06-2005, 05:05 AM
AgassiFan you crack me up :haha: Do you like any other players besides Agassi?

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I used to like Safin, Federer, Nadal and Gasquet before they became great... Now I admire them, but root against them. UNless they play Roddick... :)

I am here to primarily discuss Agassi. Like how he hasn't played Championship-level tennis arguably since 2004 USO Quarters - which was year ago! Well, his win over Pim-Pim at Aussie was nice, I guess....

Tennis Fool
09-06-2005, 05:06 AM
I used to like Safin, Federer, Nadal and Gasquet before they became great... Now I admire them, but root against them. UNless they play Roddick... :)

I am here to primarily discuss Agassi. Like how he hasn't played Championship-level tennis arguably since 2004 USO Quarters - which was year ago! Well, his win over Pim-Pim at Aussie was nice, I guess....
He's been playing very well this Open, although you have to say the draw was very good to him. Very very good.

ys
09-06-2005, 05:54 AM
Agassi is the best returner of mediocre serves. He has never been the best returner of big serves.

AgassiFan
09-06-2005, 07:45 AM
Agassi is the best returner of mediocre serves. He has never been the best returner of big serves.

He was pretty good against Sampras, Goran, etc back in his hey day.

But now I agree - his returns are overrated. The 2nd serves he used to absolutely destroy are now, well, not.

redginseng
09-06-2005, 12:44 PM
Do you actually expect Agassi at the age of 35 to return like he used to? when Agassi was in his prime there were a lot of big servers like Pete, Goran, Stich, Becker, krajicek, Rosset, Rusedski etc and I don't think today's big servers are much better servers than them.

Agassi's retrun of serve against them was one of the most jaw-dropping things I've ever seen. Agassi at 35 doesn't move well and his reflexes are not good enough like once they were. so it ain't no shame at all that he can't hit return winners like Federer and Hewit.

what's funny to me is that it seems like you don't consider Agassi is a 35 year old guy then goes on saying that he can't do this, he can't do that, he's not aggreessive enough, he gotta reduce his unforced errors etc. but today's players are bigger, stronger with more powerful frames than players in Agassi's era. and the man is slowing down everyday. He can't and you know that. I know that and everybody in the world who has brain knows that.


My conclusion: I agree Agassi at 35 is not the best returner as of right now.
but he definitely can be nominated as the best returner of all time.

Castafiore
09-06-2005, 01:11 PM
I used to like Safin, Federer, Nadal and Gasquet before they became great... Now I admire them, but root against them.
You root against them? Why?


Anyway, going back to the Malisse match. Xavier said that he knew he had to begin with a fast, aggressive and forward game. Trouble is that a) he was a bit intimidated to play opposite the legend and b) Agassi dominated the game by hitting the balls towards the baseline and letting him run.

By set 3, Xavier changed shirts (changed from a dark shirt into a bright colored shirt - a tactic that worked against Youzhny ;) ) and Xavier decided to give us a real match by attacking Agassi's second serve and following that he moved forward (net game - he's good at the net) and he played more aggressively.

Set 4: Malisse was playing 'in the zone' as they said here on Flemish tv. Very strong serve ( a 'kick' serve) + aggressive play + a great selection of shots.

Set 5: If he was only mentally a bit stronger, he could have kept the momentum going and he could have beaten him :sad: but "could have" doesn't count against a classy player like Agassi. :worship:

Agassi sure is an excellent returner but I don't know if he's the very best at the moment but he's still awesome at the age of 35!
Against Malisse, his volleys weren't always effective and often enough, he could not hide his drop shots well enough.

alfonsojose
09-06-2005, 01:37 PM
AgassiFan is back :drool: :bounce: :bowdown: ... Damn it, i need to lay down :shrug:

bandabou
09-06-2005, 02:14 PM
Of all-time, when you consider his whole career, yes....but of today? nope...not anymore.

skel1983
09-06-2005, 02:44 PM
Agaasi is a legend, but he hasn't really beat anyone of the top guys recently, since he returned from Injury he has played Nadal out of the top boys(please correct me if i am wrong) and got beat comfortably overall even though it went 3 set's, i mean he is not the player he once was, obviously he is getting older, but for me once he meet's a top guy he will be beaten comfortably and to say he can take Federer to five sets?? that was lat year did you see there encounter in Dubia earlier this year??

I think if Blake doesn't get over respectful for Agassi and plays his game i think he will win. But if he meet's Federer or Hewitt i think it's good night Andre.

Gigan
09-06-2005, 02:46 PM
Of all-time, when you consider his whole career, yes....but of today? nope...not anymore.

you answered yourself:

Of all-time, when you consider his whole career!

what it means? it means 20 years long! And it means- forever!!!
It is not negotiable! It is the truth!!!


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:wavey: Andre Agassi forever :wavey:

wimbledonfan
09-06-2005, 03:16 PM
I still think a younger Agassi would have had the game to beat Roger Federer on hard courts . He is a better base line player than Roger anyday , and I think he would have had more success on Rogers serve than he is now with his lack of agility on his return of service games . It says a lot about a guy who was 34 years old and almost beat Fed in 5 sets last year . I believe a youger Andre would have destroyed Feds or Hewitts serve as they aren't as good as some of the top dogs in the 90's , however at 35 he has a more difficult time breaking their serves.

Tourmalante
09-06-2005, 04:45 PM
What wishful thinking. Agassi can only maintain a rally with federer with their backhands and not even then. Federer's forehand just tears Agassi apart. People keep turning to that 2004 US Open result as some sort of indication that Agassi can play Federer close. Somehow they don't seem to take into account the uniqueness of the condidtions during that particular quarterfinal and also refuse to acknowledge the many ass whoopings Federer has dealt Agassi since then. At the Aussie open Agassi was beaten like a child. He was completely held at arm's length by Federer's serve. At Miami the exact same result. In Dubai he was breadsticked in the final set. He expends all his energy and is still straightsetted comfortably. Federer plays Agassi like he is a journeyman. Though a younger Agassi would be a few steps quicker, he was at no point in his career, the pure athlete that Federer is. There would still be a marked difference in movement. I'm pretty sure Agassi will never beat Federer again. The way that Agassi wins a lot of his matches these days is not through his game but through his mental fortitude. He knows if he stays the course long enough 99% of his opponents will fold. This is the strategy that Gilbert and Cahill(once coached Hewitt-the master of mental strength) have instilled in him. The problem is that Fed has the game and the mental strength. Agassi's last great asset is rendered impotent.

Gigan
09-06-2005, 06:37 PM
thread is closed fans...

you answered yourself:

Of all-time, when you consider his whole career!

what it means? it means 20 years long! And it means- forever!!!
It is not negotiable! It is the truth!!!


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:wavey: Andre Agassi forever :wavey:



thread is closed fans...

intikab
09-06-2005, 06:46 PM
I still think a younger Agassi would have had the game to beat Roger Federer on hard courts . He is a better base line player than Roger anyday , and I think he would have had more success on Rogers serve than he is now with his lack of agility on his return of service games . It says a lot about a guy who was 34 years old and almost beat Fed in 5 sets last year . I believe a youger Andre would have destroyed Feds or Hewitts serve as they aren't as good as some of the top dogs in the 90's , however at 35 he has a more difficult time breaking their serves.

Federer won 92% of his service games last year (#1 on ATP), this year he is winning 90% (second on ATP behind Roddick). For reference, Sampras used to win 88% to 91% of his service games in his peak; Goran won 87% in 2001, Krajicek won 85% in 1996 (year he won Wimbledon). Fed is also the best at winning points on 2nd serve for 2 years running. While his serve in isolation may not be as good as several other players', his hold game is as good as anybody's (even compared to 90's greats). Also, in his last 3 matches, he hasn't even been broken by Agassi (no break in 8 straight sets).

On the flip side, Fed is one of the best ever at breaking other peoples' serves. Again for two years' running, he is among the top 10 in most return categories (all the others in top 10 are mostly claycourters). He could break Agassi's serve at will.

It's just wishful thinking that Agassi could beat Fed. At least against Sampras, he was able to win 14 of 34 matches, and 3 out of 9 slam matches. Against Fed, (peak) Agassi would have been lucky to win 7 out of 34, and 1 out of 9 slam matches.

wimbledonfan
09-06-2005, 06:57 PM
intikab , you have your stats all wrong . Sampras fyi , would hold on his service games more frequently than Roger . Roger is not the greatest at holding his serve , players like Roddick and karlovic actually do a better job at holding their own serves but don't have the return of service game to beat Fed . Sampras at his peak , would hold close to 95 % of the time on hard courts , and at wimbledon those numbers were even higher . Please dont tell me Roger is a better server than Pete . We all know an old Andre still can give Federer a fight but I don't expect him to win anymore at his age . It would be an embrassment to tennis if a 35 year beat a much younger player at his peak . I'm also certain peak Sampras would have beat a 35 year old Agassi just as convincigly as federer has been doing .

ExpectedWinner
09-06-2005, 07:16 PM
players like Roddick and karlovic actually do a better job at holding their own serves but don't have the return of service game to beat Fed .

:haha: about Karlovic. Yeah, the only thing he's missing is the return of serve. :rolleyes:

As for Roddick, he's had some funny results on hc this year, despite his big serve.

Miami- 1st round
Montreal-1st round
USO- 1st round

The return of serve of an "average" ATP tour player has greatly imporved since the end of the last century.

intikab
09-06-2005, 07:42 PM
wimbledonfan, the stats I quoted are all correct, only thing is that they are for the whole calender year. I don't have stats breakdown for surfaces.

Link for 2004 stats: http://www.atptennis.com/en/media/2004ITW/ITW41.pdf
(see page 9 - shows Fed at 92%)
Link for 2005 stats: http://www.atptennis.com/en/players/matchfacts/
(shows Fed at 90%)
Link for Wimbledon champs' ('93-'03)serve holding rates:
http://www.atptennis.com/en/newsandscores/news/2004/wimbledon_stats.pdf (shows Pete ranging from 88% to 91%).

Also, keep in mind, in the 90's, there were more carpet tournaments & fewer slow-hard-court tourneys, grass was faster, balls lighter etc., so it was easier to hold serve.

No, as I said, I don't claim that Fed is a better server than Pete. I actually said his serve is inferior to a number of players current and past. But, because of his superior backup game, he is able to hold as well as/better than greater servers.

You are reading too much into the last USO match. Keep in mind, coming into the tournament, experts were saying Fed is like Edberg - he won't win USO until he gets adjusted to conditions later in his career. Doubts like this coupled with the fact that he was playing a hometown favorite and legend in swirling, hurricane conditions (on the 2nd day) - conditions conducive to Agassi - made the match closer. Remember, before this, he had thrashed Agassi in a MC final including a bagel set. All in all, he has a 7 match win streak against Agassi without even having been broken (no TB's either) in 8 straight sets. Furthermore, it's not like a 35-year old Agassi is a chump - he can still hang with any other player in the top 10 (Roddick, Hewitt, Safin, Nadal including). He is still one of the top players in the game. Yet the fact there is not much doubt about the outcome speaks volumes about Fed's game. One more point about reading about too much into one match: Remember Sampras losing to 5'7" Jaime Yzaga in his prime peak ('94) at USO; being MP down to Corretja at USO ('96) - doesn't mean it's an embarrassment to Pete - most probable explanation is a flat day or opponent playing unreal, and these things happen to everybody.

El Legenda
09-06-2005, 07:46 PM
umm what happend to the best returner at Davis Cup vs Ljubicic?

Dirk
09-06-2005, 07:49 PM
Wimbledonfan just wants to discredit Roger. He is one of those Pete fans who just can't get past Pete and embrace Roger. :sad:

Gigan
09-06-2005, 07:51 PM
umm what happend to the best returner at Davis Cup vs Ljubicic?

we did speak here about whole history!

We spoken about Best of the Best Returner -
About Andre Agassi!

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:wavey: Andre Agassi forever :wavey:

ExpectedWinner
09-06-2005, 07:55 PM
He is one of those Pete fans who just can't get past Pete

All hardcore fans are ridiculous to some degree. But those who keep living in the past are the most miserable ones.

Gigan
09-06-2005, 08:09 PM
for most stupid fans ...otherwise read article one more time ;)

we did speak here about whole history of the game!


We spoken about Best of the Best Returner -
About Andre Agassi!:

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:wavey: Andre Agassi forever :wavey:

Gigan
09-08-2005, 06:27 AM
Andre is the best of the best!!!!
And no fucking way!

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:wavey: Andre Agassi forever :wavey:

Neely
09-08-2005, 06:30 AM
Yes, there have been a few terrific returns at key moments. Agassi just brushed over the ball as if the score was meaningless and if he felt no pressure at all. Brutally high quality stuff what he showed in this match, no doubt!

:worship: :bowdown:

disturb3d
09-08-2005, 06:31 AM
When it comes down to it, Andre makes winners... and others choke.

Tourmalante
09-08-2005, 06:33 AM
except when he gets beaten like a geriatric by Federer

wimbledonfan
09-08-2005, 06:38 AM
the guy is 35 years old, is he suppose to beat every player on tour ?

Ays25
09-08-2005, 07:12 AM
he broke blake 5 times in 7 games i think.
3 times in a row! he won like 11 straight points on blakes serve.. now he must officially be the best returner eva

Federerhingis
09-08-2005, 07:33 AM
The legend persists on :worship:

wimbledonfan
09-08-2005, 03:08 PM
If Andre can return like he did against Blake , he has a shot at this years u.s open . Looks like flashes of old andre are coming back .

andre the great
09-08-2005, 03:14 PM
Andre can pound the returns like no one else. Such eye co-ordination. But the best thing he has is pure character. Showed against Pim Pim in Oz and has showed here against the Croatian Ace Machine in Round 2. You can fire as many aces and winners as you like when Dre is in the mood he'll just keep coming at you.Blake was in another planet first two sets or so. Did Agassi panic? Not on your life. Whoever wins this tournament will have to earn it.

Sugar Kane
09-08-2005, 03:23 PM
except when he gets beaten like a geriatric by Federer
:haha: :haha: :haha: Well, but it's not fair to say that, funny as it is, Federer makes 20 year-olds look like they're dying of old age :p
Still :rolls:

Gigan
09-08-2005, 03:32 PM
Andre can pound the returns like no one else. Such eye co-ordination. But the best thing he has is pure character. Showed against Pim Pim in Oz and has showed here against the Croatian Ace Machine in Round 2. You can fire as many aces and winners as you like when Dre is in the mood he'll just keep coming at you.Blake was in another planet first two sets or so. Did Agassi panic? Not on your life. Whoever wins this tournament will have to earn it.

really andre the great :wavey:

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:wavey: Andre Agassi forever :wavey:

andre the great
09-08-2005, 03:45 PM
True I am just paraphrasing Andre's plan of making sure that if some one should do the unthinkable and remove the only personality left in this event that they will have to play their very best to do so. There will be no presents.