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Best records in history over a 100 match stretch

NYCtennisfan
08-25-2005, 08:51 PM
Usually I would do the top 10 or so but I was feeling lazy. :) So here are the top 5.

PLAYER........................TIME PERIOD......................RECORD

Roger Federer..........Sept. 2004-Current.....................97-3
Bjorn Borg...............May 1979-Aug. 1980...................97-3
J. McEnroe..............Jan. 1984-Apr. 1985...................96-4
Ivan Lendl...............Sep.1981-Aug. 1982..................96-4
Ivan Lendl...............Aug. 1985-Aug. 1986...................95-5
Guillermo Vilas..........Jul. 1977-May 1978...................94-6

Others:

Andre Agassi...........Aug. 1994-Aug. 1995....................90-10
Pete Sampras..........Aug. 1993-Aug. 1994....................88-12
Mats Wilander..........Mar. 1983-Aug. 1984....................86-14
Thomas Muster........Mar. 1995-mar. 1996.....................85-15

1sun
08-25-2005, 08:58 PM
nyctennisfan, just gotta say that your great for all these record threads. i very much appreciate them :yeah: ;)

jazz_girl
08-25-2005, 09:03 PM
I love reading these stats, thanks for doing it :yeah:

NYCtennisfan
08-25-2005, 09:04 PM
No problem guys. I love putting them up there. 95-5 over 100 matches in today's era is truly, truly, truly amazing.

ktwtennis
08-25-2005, 09:15 PM
Thanks for this stat...Roger is just incredible!

oneandonlyhsn
08-25-2005, 09:33 PM
Thanks the iceman truly ruled the tennis world during his days, Roger :worship:

Action Jackson
08-25-2005, 09:37 PM
Well Borg was undefeated on clay twice within a year, that's different from Federer's grass streak considering how many tournaments there are on the respective surfaces.

NYCtennisfan
08-25-2005, 09:43 PM
^Borg's clay court record was just phenomenal. That's why there is obviously no debate over who was the best player on clay. I'm going to count up how many times he lost actually lost on clay in his entire career.

Fed's 95-5 in this era is just incredible. All the other records threads I've started have most of the top record holders from the mid-70's ( Connors, Vilas, Nastase), late 70's (Borg, Connors), early 80's (Lendl, MAC, Borg), and mid 80's (Lendl). You don't see anyone from the 90's or later. It's incredible to see how much depth the game has now. A guy with the talent of say PHM or Chucho or _________ can be ranked so low. In the old days, guys with that kind of talent unless they were completely braindead would make it high into the rankings simply because there would be very few people who could hit with them.

Action Jackson
08-25-2005, 09:45 PM
He lost 18 times on clay, and only 1 guy beat him at RG, but the fact that Federer is this good in this era does make it even better.

NYCtennisfan
08-25-2005, 09:50 PM
Was it 18? I knew it was less than 25 or maybe even 20 but only 18 times is phenomenal really.

It's ridiculous what FEd is doing right now but it can't last forever. I can see Fed going the Sampras route and concentrating on the Slams maybe after next year. I don't see anyone having enough energy to do this every year. The only guy to ever come close was Lendl but he was just a beast.

Action Jackson
08-25-2005, 09:54 PM
It was 18 and as for Federer well he will have to make some changes and realise that the Slams are what really count and I just hope he can win RG one day.

NYCtennisfan
08-25-2005, 10:00 PM
I think he can win RG one day but I see 1 at the most. You are right, he will have to make some changes but I am not sure if he is willing to do that right now. He really wants to keep that #1 ranking and it would not be a problem if it wasn't for Rafa having an amazing year. It will be interesting to see of Nadal can repeat the results but I am assuming he can for the most part.

I just rewatched some of Federer's match with Coria in Hamburg (the 2004) version and the court was nice and dry and Federer was able to push Coria around on it. I know that Nadal is not the same animal but he needs that type of court. The court at Roland Garros was really slow this year and Federer just couldn't get a stranglehold of most of the points like he is used to. I really think he will trade in a high bounce to his BH for a dry, sun drenched, faster clay court and try to dictate more effectively.

Action Jackson
08-25-2005, 10:04 PM
That's bullshit as Hamburg has always slower than RG, especially after 95 when they deliberately made the courts quicker for Federer to win there, he would need it to be like 96 where it was like a hardcourt, but that's another thread which has been done many times.

NYCtennisfan
08-25-2005, 10:07 PM
^Yes, Hamburg is slower than RG but not always. Rain had made the court VERY slow compared to the Hamburg court in the 2004 Coria/Fed final. But yes, we are getting off topic. :)

dukeblue5
08-26-2005, 12:24 AM
That's bullshit as Hamburg has always slower than RG, especially after 95 when they deliberately made the courts quicker for Federer to win there, he would need it to be like 96 where it was like a hardcourt, but that's another thread which has been done many times.

Sampras?

Mechlan
08-26-2005, 12:54 AM
That's an amazing achievement. Does anyone know how many more matches Roger will have to win to improve on that record?

NYCtennisfan
08-26-2005, 01:41 AM
^Well, that record goes back to the opening rounds of Wimby 2004 so Feder would have to go win something like 17 in a row to improve. If he wins about 20 in a row, it would mean that the 100 match stretch would no longer include Cincy of last year and the aThens Olympics. Then he would go to 97-3.

Purple Rainbow
08-26-2005, 07:22 AM
^Well, that record goes back to the opening rounds of Wimby 2004 so Feder would have to go win something like 17 in a row to improve. If he wins about 20 in a row, it would mean that the 100 match stretch would no longer include Cincy of last year and the aThens Olympics. Then he would go to 97-3.

That's a bit too much to ask for, but this 95-5 record is just..wow!

How do you have the time to work all these stats out, I wonder. :) Thanks for doing it, though!

Art&Soul
08-26-2005, 08:32 AM
WOW ROGI, just incredible :)

skel1983
08-26-2005, 08:43 AM
[QUOTE=GeorgeWHitler]That's bullshit as Hamburg has always slower than RG, especially after 95 when they deliberately made the courts quicker for Federer to win there, he would need it to be like 96 where it was like a hardcourt, but that's another thread which has been done many times.[/QUOTE


They must of had a magic ball that saw into the future, they must of said to themselves, "there is a little boy from Switzerland who will play here one day in the future we must make the courts faster for him to win!!!!"

Doris Loeffel
08-26-2005, 11:16 AM
Good one I for myself thought hmmm Federer doesn't fit in there maybe hmmm guga no not even he. Maybe GWH can give us the proper answer to this...

jtipson
08-26-2005, 11:29 AM
^Well, that record goes back to the opening rounds of Wimby 2004 so Feder would have to go win something like 17 in a row to improve. If he wins about 20 in a row, it would mean that the 100 match stretch would no longer include Cincy of last year and the aThens Olympics. Then he would go to 97-3.

Yeah, he needs to win another 15 to eliminate the Cincy loss, and a further 2 to eliminate the Olympics. That means he'd have to defend his titles in New York and Bangkok, and win Madrid to get 97-3, which would be a 33 (oops, 35) win-streak. To get to 98-2 he'd have to win a further 27. Impossible.

Action Jackson
08-26-2005, 12:01 PM
They must of had a magic ball that saw into the future, they must of said to themselves, "there is a little boy from Switzerland who will play here one day in the future we must make the courts faster for him to win!!!!"

What a surprise that something of such substance and well constructed analysis would come from yourself, then again that would mean forgetting that one form of tennis had been slowed down, while one was quickened, but witnessing the metamorphosis alone from yourself has been a major highlight.

skel1983
08-26-2005, 12:06 PM
What a surprise that something of such substance and well constructed analysis would come from yourself, then again that would mean forgetting that one form of tennis had been slowed down, while one was quickened, but witnessing the metamorphosis alone from yourself has been a major highlight.


George you take things so personal, but you are at a different level to me!!!!

Purple Rainbow
08-26-2005, 12:21 PM
Yeah, he needs to win another 15 to eliminate the Cincy loss, and a further 2 to eliminate the Olympics. That means he'd have to defend his titles in New York and Bangkok, and win Madrid to get 97-3, which would be a 33 win-streak. To get to 98-2 he'd have to win a further 27. Impossible.

For Roger to take his streak to 98-2 is indeed impossible, and 97-3 would also be a bit too much to ask for. However, Roger has quite a good shot at making this a 96-4 streak, given that his two losses last year were so close to each other.
Roger needs to win 16 of his next 17 matches to improve his record to 96-4, which is not unthinkable, given that Roger's year-to-date winning pct. is higher than that.

vincayou
08-26-2005, 12:53 PM
Amazing work again!

Lendl didn't win any slam in his 100 match stretch if I remember correctly. That's quite amazing as well.

Sunfire
08-26-2005, 02:14 PM
What Sampras, Agassi, and Connors records then? Anyone knows? Or are they too far from the Top 5?

Action Jackson
08-26-2005, 02:58 PM
George you take things so personal, but you are at a different level to me!!!!

As long as you think so and that is all that counts, no you are on a level that will never be reached, but sometimes facts can help now and then.

Action Jackson
08-26-2005, 02:59 PM
Amazing work again!

Lendl didn't win any slam in his 100 match stretch if I remember correctly. That's quite amazing as well.

Lendl didn't win a Slam until 84 and he made 19 finals but people forget this.

NYCtennisfan
08-26-2005, 07:44 PM
What Sampras, Agassi, and Connors records then? Anyone knows? Or are they too far from the Top 5?

I'll put up some more numbers when I get the chance. It's hard to put up numbers for Connors because the time perido when he would come close is not fully detialed in the ATP or ITF database.

NYCtennisfan
08-26-2005, 07:46 PM
Amazing work again!

Lendl didn't win any slam in his 100 match stretch if I remember correctly. That's quite amazing as well.

THe amazing thing about Lendl is that he had another great stretch from 1985-1987 adn another great year in 1989. In the 81-82 stetch, he just couldn't beat Connors or JMac in the big matches.

Sjengster
08-26-2005, 08:06 PM
If anyone's interested, I have a lot more stats-related threads in the Statistics forum...

NYCtennisfan
08-26-2005, 09:16 PM
^HEY! Don't divert the people from my thread!! :)

NYCtennisfan
08-26-2005, 09:22 PM
Others:

Andre Agassi...........Aug. 1994-Aug. 1995....................90-10
Pete Sampras..........Aug. 1993-Aug. 1994....................88-12
Mats Wilander..........Mar. 1983-Aug. 1984....................86-14
Thomas Muster........Mar. 1995-mar. 1996.....................85-15

jacobhiggins
08-26-2005, 09:40 PM
Just looking at these stats alone, you can see Federer is a very special player and is probablly already one of the best players to ever play the game!

Cervantes
08-26-2005, 09:43 PM
Let's just see if he can defend his US Open crown, if he does there's a chance he can reach 97-3. I don't think he can get to 98-2, that would mean he'd have to win US Open, Bangkok, Madrid, Basel, Paris, TMC, Doha and Aus Open in a row, ouch!

NYCtennisfan
08-26-2005, 10:00 PM
Just looking at these stats alone, you can see Federer is a very special player and is probablly already one of the best players to ever play the game!

Indeed. In a 100 match stretch, most players are going to play on all surfaces and that's where the cream rises to the top. These players have had success on all surfaces--one has to to go 95-5 in a 100 match stretch. The other place where many players lose a lot of matches in the Masters/Singles Championships/TMC year end tournament since they are round robin and you could theoretically lose more than one match in them. It's just incredible in today's era.

BTW, Federer is also 138-9 in his last 147 matches. If he gets to the 4th round of the USO, then his 150 match record will be 141-9. Yikes!

Purple Rainbow
10-03-2005, 12:05 PM
BUMP!

After some number crunching, I figured out that Federer has almost played 100 matches since losing 2 out of 3 at Cincinatti and the Olympics.
Since Roger lost only 3 matches since, he is very close to equalling the Open Era record for best 100 game strectch!
In fact, if Roger wins his next 4 matches he'll improve to 97-3! All of a sudden this record seems very reachable! :)

deliveryman
10-03-2005, 12:37 PM
only another 27 matches for 98-2! lol

I doubt that'll happen. That'd mean he would be on a 58 match win streak. :O

skel1983
10-03-2005, 02:19 PM
only another 27 matches for 98-2! lol

I doubt that'll happen. That'd mean he would be on a 58 match win streak. :O


Hey dude i wouldn't bet against it, off the top of my head that would be completed if he wins Aus open or even Semi or QF (unless he plays an event before hand!!

Madrid 6
Paris 6
Basle 5
Master cup 5
Aus Open 5

Aus Open Semi final place would do it!!!!!

NYCtennisfan
10-03-2005, 03:18 PM
^That would be just absolutely unreal.

skel1983
10-03-2005, 03:35 PM
^That would be just absolutely unreal.

Please tell me how this is unreal he has won his last 3 hardcourt TMS finals, (oknit's not carpet but who wll beat him on carpet???

Masters Cup Who will beat him please tell me?????

Basle his hometime event, about time he won it!!!

Aus Open Semi which is as certain as can be.

I think you would get around 4/1 for this to happen with a bookie!!

I would say this is very possible.

stebs
10-03-2005, 03:59 PM
phenomenal stuff. It looks likely Fed will equal his record with Bjorg but although it is pheasable for Fed to win all the next 27 matches I think it is unlikely. I'm not sure who will beat him but I'm sure someone will pop up.

NYCtennisfan
10-03-2005, 11:53 PM
Please tell me how this is unreal he has won his last 3 hardcourt TMS finals, (oknit's not carpet but who wll beat him on carpet???

We use the word unreal in the States colloquially meaning that we substitue the word for "amazing" and "hard to believe". :)

wowfed
10-03-2005, 11:56 PM
Usually I would do the top 10 or so but I was feeling lazy. :) So here are the top 5.

PLAYER........................TIME PERIOD......................RECORD

Bjorn Borg...............May 1979-Aug. 1980...................97-3
J. McEnroe..............Jan. 1984-Apr. 1985...................96-4
Ivan Lendl...............Sep.1981-Aug. 1982..................96-4
Roger Federer..........Jun. 2004-Current.......................95-5
Ivan Lendl...............Aug. 1985-Aug. 1986...................95-5
Guillermo Vilas..........Jul. 1977-May 1978...................94-6

Others:

Andre Agassi...........Aug. 1994-Aug. 1995....................90-10
Pete Sampras..........Aug. 1993-Aug. 1994....................88-12
Mats Wilander..........Mar. 1983-Aug. 1984....................86-14
Thomas Muster........Mar. 1995-mar. 1996.....................85-15

Good one man.. Intersting to see Lendl had two great 100 match stretches...
What about Connors ? He was consecutive No.1 for some 160+ weeks right ?
Any body recall if he has any good stats which can fit here.

NYCtennisfan
10-03-2005, 11:58 PM
wowfed, Connors would be right at the top of that list along with Nastase but the ITF and ATP have a lot of missing data on their sites from the early 1970's and 1972-4 in particular on the ATP site. These are the years that Nastase and Connors dominated like no other until Fed. Connors and Nastase are the only other players to have won double digit titles in consecutive years other than Fed the last two years.

deliveryman
10-04-2005, 12:26 AM
I believe Federer now shares the record with Borg.

Where does Fed's past two seasons compare to other players 2 seasons? Is Federer's past two seasons the greatest back to back seasons in the open era?

Record: 151-9 record (and counting)
Grand Slams: 5
TMS Titles: 7 (and counting)
Titles: 22 (and counting)

soonha
10-04-2005, 01:28 AM
I believe Federer now shares the record with Borg.

Where does Fed's past two seasons compare to other players 2 seasons? Is Federer's past two seasons the greatest back to back seasons in the open era?

Record: 151-9 record (and counting)
Grand Slams: 5
TMS Titles: 7 (and counting)
Titles: 22 (and counting)
In terms of W/L and GS wins, I believe his '04-'05 is the best back-to-back seasons. The next is Lendl's '86-'87 : W/L 148/13(74/6 & 74/7), 4 GS.
Title-wisely, there were a few players who won more # of titles in 2-year span.

NYCtennisfan
10-04-2005, 02:10 AM
Fed's last two years (and he isn't done yet) are the two greatest back-to-back years on the ATP tour. Ever. If one looks at the all the years since 1990 or even since Lendl in 87, nobody could dominate like this. The fields are too deep and the TMS events ensure or used to ensure different winners throughout the year due to their sueprioer fields. 151-9 over that stretch is truly remarkable.

mishar
11-15-2005, 07:24 PM
If Federer reaches the finals of TMC Shanghai, he will equal Borg's record, no? Two more wins and he will have gone 97-3 in his last 100 matches.

He would have to win Doha, Ao, Rotterdam, Dubai, Davis Cup and the QF of Indian Wells to break Borg's record

Domino
11-15-2005, 07:45 PM
No, he would need to continue on until he has played more than one hundred matches since the Berdych loss, since Berdych and Hrbaty are the first two losses of his five.

mishar
11-15-2005, 07:55 PM
Yes, the final of Shanghai would be his 101st match since the Berdych/Hrbaty losses

R.Federer
11-15-2005, 07:56 PM
Oh my goodness, Borg's record is crazy (crazy good that is)!

konyalikartal
11-15-2005, 09:28 PM
I think from now on 29 match is necessray for 98-2. I think Indian Wells third round is enough.mishar you forgot the DC match of Federer with England.This means 62 match winning streak which is insane...

NYCtennisfan
11-16-2005, 12:21 AM
If Federer reaches the finals of TMC Shanghai, he will equal Borg's record, no? Two more wins and he will have gone 97-3 in his last 100 matches.


Correct.

To get to 98-2, he would have to win his next 31 matches in a row or in other words, win up with a winning streak of 64 straight wins.

R.Federer
11-16-2005, 12:25 AM
Unrelated, but I did not want to start a new thread or so,
today Roger's race points are more than DOUBLE the #3 player's points (andi's)!!!!

jtipson
11-16-2005, 09:51 AM
Unrelated, but I did not want to start a new thread or so,
today Roger's race points are more than DOUBLE the #3 player's points (andi's)!!!!

Last year, after Bangkok, he had almost double the entry points of the number *two* player: 6875 to Roddick's 3780. Hewitt in third had 3055, so Federer had more points than both the number two and three put together.

mishar
11-16-2005, 02:02 PM
Correct.

To get to 98-2, he would have to win his next 31 matches in a row or in other words, win up with a winning streak of 64 straight wins.


Maybe I'm doing my math wrong, but if he is 79-3 on the year so far, that means post-Safin loss, he is 69-2... So he'd have to win 29 consecutive matches to become 98-2.. If he wins 3 this week, that means he'd have to start the year with a 26-match winning streak. And his winning streak total would be 62... If his schedule included 2 Davis Cup matches in February, Doha, Rotterdam, Dubai, the Australian, and he won all of those, then he would just have to win 2 matches at Indian Wells. If he skips one of those optionals, he would have to win IW & 1 round at Miami.

Whew. We are in deep stat time-wasting geekitude territory here. :angel:

AgassiDomination
11-16-2005, 02:33 PM
Love the stats man thanks!

NYCtennisfan
11-16-2005, 03:28 PM
Maybe I'm doing my math wrong, but if he is 79-3 on the year so far, that means post-Safin loss, he is 69-2... So he'd have to win 29 consecutive matches to become 98-2.. If he wins 3 this week, that means he'd have to start the year with a 26-match winning streak. And his winning streak total would be 62... If his schedule included 2 Davis Cup matches in February, Doha, Rotterdam, Dubai, the Australian, and he won all of those, then he would just have to win 2 matches at Indian Wells. If he skips one of those optionals, he would have to win IW & 1 round at Miami.

You are right...I was forgetting about his two victories in Shanghai. :)

R.Federer
11-16-2005, 03:35 PM
Last year, after Bangkok, he had almost double the entry points of the number *two* player: 6875 to Roddick's 3780. Hewitt in third had 3055, so Federer had more points than both the number two and three put together.
That is unbelievable (I believe you :lol: but still incredible!)
I think it is impresive how two guys dominate the Tour this year. But the separation from #1 and #2 is also a small bit, because rafs's points are not double the #3 or #4 player (#2 is about as far from #1 as #3 is from #2)

NYCtennisfan
11-16-2005, 08:49 PM
Lendl used to have huge leads in the entry rankings in 1986-1987. #2 would always be WAY behind.

mishar
11-19-2005, 01:05 PM
Federer ties the record with Borg. He is now 97-3 since the Olympics of 2004

1sun
11-19-2005, 01:32 PM
ny, are you going to edit your initial post?

NYCtennisfan
11-19-2005, 02:18 PM
Just did 1sun. :) Hail to the King.

1sun
11-19-2005, 02:28 PM
nice one, the guy is just a machine. great stuff.

NYCtennisfan
11-19-2005, 02:36 PM
I never thought that 97-3 or 82-3 could ever come close to being touched. If the Lendl of the mid 80's who had huge leads in the entry rankings couldn't get there, I didn't think anyone could. Then we had the 90's where the slams were dominated by Sampras but there was never domination like this very every single tournament was won.

1sun
11-19-2005, 02:43 PM
i know, its crazy shit, the numbers just keep cuming and im totaly lovin it.