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Who is the "Well Known Veteran"?

Raquel
08-16-2005, 05:57 PM
From Jon Wertheim's column this week -

This goes to the discussion a few weeks ago about player-fan interactions. I took my eight-year-old son to the Mercedes-Benz cup in L.A. He had his oversized tennis ball ready for autographs, and he experienced both ends of the "cool player" spectrum -- Bob Bryan, James Blake and Dominic Hrbaty graciously signed his ball -- A WELL KNOWN VETERAN, on the other hand, surrounded by body guards passed by my son and watched as his body guard shoved my son out of the way. I followed the entourage to the entrance of the players' lounge to speak with this guard, and A WELL KNOWN VETERAN stood just inside the door and heard my conversation with the guard. He looked at my son and still didn't sign the ball. By the way, it was "Kids Day" and A WELL KNOWN VETERAN had just won his match. He lost the next round -- I like to think it was cosmic justice.
-- Michael Patterson, Burbank

Thanks. My instincts are to name -- and thus publicly shame -- the misanthrope player. But without getting his side of the story, or at least independent corroboration, it's not really fair.

Here's the full results from LA

1st Round

Andre AGASSI (USA) defeated Jean-Rene LISNARD (FRA) 61 60
Kevin KIM (USA) defeated Kenneth CARLSEN (DEN) 76(2) 67(3) 64
Paul GOLDSTEIN (USA) defeated Cyril SAULNIER (FRA) 64 64
Paradorn SRICHAPHAN (THA) defeated Mario ANCIC (CRO) 76(6) 67(4) 62
Tommy HAAS (GER) defeated Ivo KARLOVIC (CRO) 64 64
Xavier MALISSE (BEL) defeated Hyung-Taik LEE (KOR) 63 64
Juan Ignacio CHELA (ARG) defeated Marcos BAGHDATIS (CYP) 67(7) 63 64
Dmitry TURSUNOV (RUS) defeated Noam OKUN (ISR) 61 62
Zack FLEISHMAN (USA) defeated Vince SPADEA (USA) 46 62 64
Gilles MULLER (LUX) defeated Sebastien DE CHAUNAC (FRA) 26 63 76(6)
Robby GINEPRI (USA) defeated Wayne ARTHURS (AUS) 64 64
James BLAKE (USA) defeated Nicolas KIEFER (GER) 32
Ricardo MELLO (BRA) defeated Sebastien GROSJEAN (FRA) 16 62 63
Amir HADAD (ISR) defeated Cecil MAMIIT (USA) 26 63 63
Jan HERNYCH (CZE) defeated Jonas BJORKMAN (SWE) 64 64
Dominik HRBATY (SVK) defeated Karol BECK (SVK) 64 61

2nd Round

Andre AGASSI (USA) defeated Kevin KIM (USA) 62 75
Paradorn SRICHAPHAN (THA) defeated Paul GOLDSTEIN (USA) 61 64
Xavier MALISSE (BEL) defeated Tommy HAAS (GER) 16 63 64
Juan Ignacio CHELA (ARG) defeated Dmitry TURSUNOV (RUS) 36 64 62
Gilles MULLER (LUX) defeated Zack FLEISHMAN (USA) 63 75
Robby GINEPRI (USA) defeated James BLAKE (USA) 63 76(2)
Ricardo MELLO (BRA) defeated Amir HADAD (ISR) 63 61
Dominik HRBATY (SVK) defeated Jan HERNYCH (CZE) 64 62

Quarterfinal

Andre AGASSI (USA) defeated Paradorn SRICHAPHAN (THA) 62 46 64
Juan Ignacio CHELA (ARG) defeated Xavier MALISSE (BEL) 64 76(3)
Gilles MULLER (LUX) defeated Robby GINEPRI (USA) 76(5) 75
Dominik HRBATY (SVK) defeated Ricardo MELLO (BRA) 46 76(9) 62

Semifinal

Andre AGASSI (USA) defeated Juan Ignacio CHELA (ARG) 64 62
Gilles MULLER (LUX) defeated Dominik HRBATY (SVK) 46 76(4) 61
Final

Andre AGASSI (USA) defeated Gilles MULLER (LUX) 64 75

Obviously Andre's the best known veteran but he never lost. The player won a match so he had to have lost the next day so it's no first round loser. Are we really classing Tommy Haas or James Blake as veterans? Paradorn? Anyone know what day was Kids Day? The mystery deepens :p

propi
08-16-2005, 06:04 PM
He talks about Well known?? I guess it must be one from USA... maybe Spadea or Ginepri :confused:

El Legenda
08-16-2005, 06:06 PM
He talks about Well known?? I guess it must be one from USA... maybe Spadea or Ginepri :confused:

Ginepri is not a veteran or well known.

propi
08-16-2005, 06:17 PM
Ginepri is not a veteran or well known.
I know, but Ginepri has been playing for some years now on ATP being a veteran doesn't have to mean being old.
About well known, if I'm right Robby won a tourney in an all American final the week before, so I guess his popularity grew even if it's for just 1 week due to media exposure.

Gonzalo81
08-16-2005, 06:27 PM
He talks about Well known?? I guess it must be one from USA... maybe Spadea or Ginepri :confused:

Spadea lost in 1st round

Gonzalo81
08-16-2005, 06:34 PM
Now I really want to know.....Everything points to Haas but I don´t picture him doing that...

I´m really curious now....

Ten_Isse_Fan
08-16-2005, 06:40 PM
Yeah, looks like Haas to me

ys
08-16-2005, 06:54 PM
Doubt Haas has a bodyguard..

Gonzalo81
08-16-2005, 07:08 PM
I thought that as weel....but then who?

ys
08-16-2005, 07:16 PM
I thought that as weel....but then who?
Everything though indeed points to Haas. He was the only well known player who won on Kid's Day ( Tuesday ) and lost his next match.

El Legenda
08-16-2005, 07:24 PM
well when that guys says bodygaurd...its probly a coach or friend or an assistant to the coach...

Clara Bow
08-16-2005, 07:34 PM
Sounds like it could be Haas. Isn't he known to sometimes get in black moods?

tangerine_dream
08-16-2005, 07:41 PM
Bodyguards are present at all the tournaments for all the players, it's not the player's personal bodyguard.

Whistleway
08-16-2005, 07:41 PM
Doubt Haas has a bodyguard..

Good point.

RebelNYC
08-16-2005, 07:46 PM
It had to be Haas, he is the best known among that bunch. I cannot believe Paradorn
did this - I cannot believe it ... oh wait, Paradorn not eligible according to the wording.. Tommy has been known to be ...uh, moody?

DanEd
08-16-2005, 07:50 PM
malisse???????

El Legenda
08-16-2005, 07:59 PM
malisse???????

the "well known Veteran" lost in 2nd round.....Malisse lost in QF

Gonzalo81
08-16-2005, 08:09 PM
the "well known Veteran" lost in 2nd round.....Malisse lost in QF

BTW love your Budweiser truck :worship:

fabolous
08-16-2005, 08:13 PM
we have several hints:

1) the player won his 1st round match on the kids day, that was tuesday. i just looked after the OOP for tuesday and found these players:
fleishman, hamad, hrbaty, muller, blake, hernych, haas, ginepri, agassi

2) the player lost his 2nd round match, so we still have fleishman, hamad, haas, blake, hernych

3) james blake "graciously signed his ball" so he's out of this

4) a well known veteran? are fleishman, hernych, hamad well known veterans? no.


AAAAAAND the winner is..................tommy :D

El Legenda
08-16-2005, 08:18 PM
we have several hints:

1) the player won his 1st round match on the kids day, that was tuesday. i just looked after the OOP for tuesday and found these players:
fleishman, hamad, hrbaty, muller, blake, hernych, haas, ginepri, agassi

2) the player lost his 2nd round match, so we still have fleishman, hamad, haas, blake, hernych

3) james blake "graciously signed his ball" so he's out of this

4) a well known veteran? are fleishman, hernych, hamad well known veterans? no.


AAAAAAND the winner is..................tommy :D

yeah no joke..all that stuff is in 1st post.

El Legenda
08-16-2005, 08:19 PM
BTW love your Budweiser truck :worship:

:yeah: thx

DanEd
08-16-2005, 08:20 PM
goldstein i think

Fee
08-16-2005, 08:28 PM
I volunteered at the LA tournament for 2 years, and attended 5 days last summer. I did not go this year, but in the years that I was there, the only players who had 'bodyguards' or any type of escort at all were Agassi and Roddick. Last year, Tommy was regularly walking around on his own with just Red and Glenn Weiner next to him.

That being said, looks like it was Tommy simply by process of elimination, and he has been known to do this before. Perhaps because it was kids' day they used escorts to get the players through the worst part of the crowds (between the practice court and the clubhouse, it can be kind of hairy there sometimes). Players are only human, and not all of them can be as charming as Vince Spadea is all the time.

binkygirl
08-16-2005, 08:31 PM
Haas. Tommy wasn't too fan friendly at the tournament.

Grosjean, Malisse, and Chela were also very reluctant to sign things for fans. In fact, after his doubles match with partner Saulnier, Grosjean literally ran off the court and left his partner on the court. Cyril kindly signed things for fans and seemed baffled that so many people wanted his autograph.

Whistleway
08-16-2005, 08:37 PM
I volunteered at the LA tournament for 2 years, and attended 5 days last summer. I did not go this year, but in the years that I was there, the only players who had 'bodyguards' or any type of escort at all were Agassi and Roddick. Last year, Tommy was regularly walking around on his own with just Red and Glenn Weiner next to him.

That being said, looks like it was Tommy simply by process of elimination, and he has been known to do this before. Perhaps because it was kids' day they used escorts to get the players through the worst part of the crowds (between the practice court and the clubhouse, it can be kind of hairy there sometimes). Players are only human, and not all of them can be as charming as Vince Spadea is all the time.

i agree, including your last 'punch' line ;)

superpinkone37
08-16-2005, 08:40 PM
That being said, looks like it was Tommy simply by process of elimination, and he has been known to do this before. Perhaps because it was kids' day they used escorts to get the players through the worst part of the crowds (between the practice court and the clubhouse, it can be kind of hairy there sometimes). Players are only human, and not all of them can be as charming as Vince Spadea is all the time.

Some of us were looking at this earlier and came to the conclusion that it must be Tommy as well.

Vince Spadea! :inlove: :haha: :haha:

Deboogle!.
08-16-2005, 08:42 PM
Tuesday was Kids Day. It has to be Haas.

But this was one little instance. I also saw Tommy being very nice to kids after practice sessions. I also never saw him with a bodyguard, but since so many people hang around the players entrance, they may have had him escorted in/out of that particular area by the security.

In fact, the only person who wasn't very warm and open with signing for kids was Andre, but he was also swarmed by 20x the people. I saw an awful lot of players and they were all nice - Grosjean and Malisse were VERY friendly after their practices taking pictures with fans of all ages and signing things. I don't have one bad complaint about any player I saw all week. :shrug:

Nimomunz
08-16-2005, 08:45 PM
this has just made Haas look even hotter in my eyes................. sorry i'm addicted to bad boyss!!

its.like.that
08-17-2005, 03:48 AM
let's all have a cry :lol:

Hagar
08-17-2005, 10:31 AM
A wellknown veteran does not sound like a description of Tommy Haas in my ears. Tommy is not a veteran yet.

joycomesmorning
08-17-2005, 12:05 PM
I don't know this lady...or her story...but beware of the "fan's" view of an event... all of us see things through our own restricted self-interest...just human nature!

If you have attended tennis events, you have seen how some players are always rude and distant...but sometimes, the fans are suffocating and obnoxious...and you have the feeling that the player is totally overwhelmed by the throng of people demanding that he focus just on them!!!

I appreciate that Wertheim wanted to get "the other side" to the story...

A couple of years ago we saw Boris Becker at a WTT match...there were a couple of kids and older people who walked down to the court and tried to get his autograph while he was sitting on the bench with the team...he pushed them away....

I was sitting just across from them...and I remember thinking that Becker certainly was being rude...he didn't make eye-contact or even make an attempt at being polite...I was totally put-off...

But then during an intermission, Boris came out to the center of the court to hit some balls with some kids...and he was warm and friendly...even stopped the action to bend down and tie the shoes of one little guy whose laces had come undone....

After the event, he took time to chat with kids and sign autographs .....

It's a tough call...best to take the high road with an isolated report of a player's refusal to sign autographs...

I also remember the account of Agassi in Houston a few years ago...one little guy had brought his piggy bank full of money to give to Agassi for hs Foundation...Agassi was escorted through the crowd by bodyguards, eager to get him through the people...and the little guy started to cry because Agassi had ignored him...

The enraged father got close enough to Gil Reyes to explain the situation...Gil took the little boy into the lockerroom...he delivered his money to Agassi...and Andre gave him a hug and an autographed tennis racket....

But not every story can end happy...we just saw Venus at WTT...the few people who got her autograph were thrilled...and will have a ton of good things to say about Venus...the others who were ignored as her handlers escorted her away will have some not so nice things to say....

That's celebrity.....

One other thing in this NOW lengthy post---SORRY!!!-- a lot of the high profile players receive a fair amount of weird communications from fans, with all kinds of over-the-top requests and threats to themselves and to their families...I think that we can expect some sort of justifiable paranoia and increased security...most of us are just fans who get a kick out of getting an autograph for our kids...but there's the ever-present other element too that celebs must take into account.

jcm