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I couldn't have been more wrong about Nadal.

Dirk
08-15-2005, 05:48 AM
I said he would not win a hardcourt title this year and was soundly proven wrong this week. He was in great form and translated his game and skills seamlessly. He is a USO contender for sure.

World Beater
08-15-2005, 05:55 AM
Dirk, in your stubborn devotion to federer, it is admirable that you have the decency to admit you were wrong about nadal.

Nadal thoroughly deserved his title although I will remain a tad skeptical until he takes out at least one of the three musketeers on HC.

I would still be shocked if he won the USO.

Chloe le Bopper
08-15-2005, 06:21 AM
If you had told me after RG that he would win Montreal too, I might have thought that was being a touch hopeful. I wouldn't write him off either, though.

He's been damn impressive, at least that can't be denied anymore. Well, Wimbledon aside :yeah:

bad gambler
08-15-2005, 06:25 AM
I don't think you were the only one who underestimated him Dirk. I knew he could play on most surfaces but never thought he could win a Masters HC title, well not this year anyway.

NYCtennisfan
08-15-2005, 06:41 AM
Props to Dirk. NOt too many other posters would admit to being wrong. The fact of the matter is that from a historical point of view, one wouldn't think that Nadal's game would translate well to hardcourts. But Nadal is just a different animal. Not only does he get to every ball hit onto his side of the court, he gets it back over to the other side to at least a neutral position so there is no easy put aways. This is what gave Federer so much trouble in Miami. Then you have to admire how Nadal has tweaked his game for the hardcourts. He is hitting that lefty serve out wide beautifully and then taking the ball earlier and hitting it DTL. He is hitting this inside-out BH DTL wonderfully to finish off rallies. He only really needs to improve his volleys, return of serve and maybe put some more pop on his serve for more cheapie points. As it is, Nadal only lost two games on his serve the entire tournament because nobody could hit the ball past him and he controlled at least 75% of all the rallies. Agassi hit some really good shots consistently that would break down just about anyone else but he couldn't finish the points. He just coudln't get it past Nadal.

Deivid23
08-15-2005, 07:59 AM
Props to Dirk. NOt too many other posters would admit to being wrong. The fact of the matter is that from a historical point of view, one wouldn't think that Nadal's game would translate well to hardcourts. But Nadal is just a different animal. Not only does he get to every ball hit onto his side of the court, he gets it back over to the other side to at least a neutral position so there is no easy put aways. This is what gave Federer so much trouble in Miami. Then you have to admire how Nadal has tweaked his game for the hardcourts. He is hitting that lefty serve out wide beautifully and then taking the ball earlier and hitting it DTL. He is hitting this inside-out BH DTL wonderfully to finish off rallies. He only really needs to improve his volleys, return of serve and maybe put some more pop on his serve for more cheapie points. As it is, Nadal only lost two games on his serve the entire tournament because nobody could hit the ball past him and he controlled at least 75% of all the rallies. Agassi hit some really good shots consistently that would break down just about anyone else but he couldn't finish the points. He just coudln't get it past Nadal.

It wasnīt necessary to admit he was wrong cause it was pretty obvious and no other reaction would have been decent.

Apart from that, I heavily disagree at the statement The fact of the matter is that from a historical point of view, one wouldn't think that Nadal's game would translate well to hardcourts. If u had watched Nadalīs matches in those hard courts in the past (apart from that Roddick anihilation) against Chela, Hewitt and Younes when he wasnīt even the half of a player heīs nowadays, it was pretty clear he had a great potential to do well there, but Federerīs shadow is too big for some of their fans to see this. Nadal will do fine everywhere (including grass) except indoors as I said a lot of months ago and itīs not something surprising to see him winning a TMS in hard court, more to come soon ;)

Chloe le Bopper
08-15-2005, 08:10 AM
Deivid23 for life!

Action Jackson
08-15-2005, 08:12 AM
I said he would not win a hardcourt title this year and was soundly proven wrong this week. He was in great form and translated his game and skills seamlessly. He is a USO contender for sure.

Good for you for seeing the error of the ways and being brave enough to say so, so are Montreal and Miami clay events now?

Action Jackson
08-15-2005, 08:16 AM
If u had watched Nadalīs matches in those hard courts in the past (apart from that Roddick anihilation) against Chela, Hewitt and Younes when he wasnīt even the half of a player heīs nowadays, it was pretty clear he had a great potential to do well there, but Federerīs shadow is too big for some of their fans to see this. Nadal will do fine everywhere (including grass) except indoors as I said a lot of months ago and itīs not something surprising to see him winning a TMS in hard court, more to come soon ;)

No matter how many times you explain it and repackage it, some people will refuse to believe it and make poor excuses when it does happen, Dirk was good enough to accept it and that is something positive.

Indoors well it will take him longer, but he'll find a way to win there as well. I have to say some people have helped make me a Nadal fan.

Deivid23
08-15-2005, 08:32 AM
No matter how many times you explain it and repackage it, some people will refuse to believe it and make poor excuses when it does happen, Dirk was good enough to accept it and that is something positive.

Indoors well it will take him longer, but he'll find a way to win there as well. I have to say some people have helped make me a Nadal fan.

I agree with your points, still sceptic about Nadalīs chances at indoors, I think he needs to improve a lot of things to do well there, but I also know I canīt understimate him cause heīs hungry and he wants to win everywhere and in Spain thereīs a common expression that could do fine here "No se le pueden poner puertas al campo" (sth like "U canīt put doors in an open field")

MariaV
08-15-2005, 08:35 AM
I have to say some people have helped make me a Nadal fan.

Good for you George!!!!! :yippee: :D

Action Jackson
08-15-2005, 08:37 AM
I agree with your points, still sceptic about Nadalīs chances at indoors, I think he needs to improve a lot of things to do well there, but I also know I canīt understimate him cause heīs hungry and he wants to win everywhere and in Spain thereīs a common expression that could do fine here "No se le pueden poner puertas al campo" (sth like "U canīt put doors in an open field")

Yes, his serve would need to improve, but Rios was able to play well indoors. I mean Rafa doesn't need the big bombs, and he has improved the placement which is good. Yes, he's hungry, but the elements are taken out of the equation in indoor tennis, so that'll be a challenge for him.

Action Jackson
08-15-2005, 08:40 AM
Good for you George!!!!! :yippee: :D

I am not one of these people that have gone Nadal crazy all of a sudden, like he has come out of nowhere, he has been around for a while. I mean it's mainly because people think of him as a claycourt specialist, yes it is a negative term. Then again, maybe it's the rabid anti-Nadal fans that have helped as well.

vincayou
08-15-2005, 08:42 AM
Good for you, so are Montreal and Miami clay events now?

You can laugh at him, but that's a thread you could have written after the French open this year. ;)

Deivid23
08-15-2005, 08:46 AM
Yes, his serve would need to improve, but Rios was able to play well indoors. I mean Rafa doesn't need the big bombs, and he has improved the placement which is good. Yes, he's hungry, but the elements are taken out of the equation in indoor tennis, so that'll be a challenge for him.

One of the things that worries me more about this is that Nadal has such a huge confidence in his retrieving abilities that many times heīs too conservative when hitting the ball, he doesnīt give enough depth to their shots and thatīs a killer handicap at indoors. He also will have to deal with faster services and time for running down balls will be shorter. The good thing is that heīs a damned fast learner as he showed yesterday (again). He knew he had to be more agressive in 3rd set and he managed to do it perfectly, hitting the ball deeper and putting pressure on Agassi when he had a chance in every rally.

MariaV
08-15-2005, 08:47 AM
I am not one of these people that have gone Nadal crazy all of a sudden, like he has come out of nowhere, he has been around for a while. I mean it's mainly because people think of him as a claycourt specialist, yes it is a negative term. Then again, maybe it's the rabid anti-Nadal fans that have helped as well.

I'm not a crazy Nadal fan either (one crazy Marat's quite enough for me thank you ;)) but I've always been a pro Nadal person in the discussion with the anti Nadal people. He impressed me last year already and his progress this year has been simply amazing. And I just love the kid proving all his hatas wrong. :D

Action Jackson
08-15-2005, 08:50 AM
One of the things that worries me more about this is that Nadal has such a huge confidence in his retrieving abilities that many times heīs too conservative when hitting the ball, he doesnīt give enough depth to their shots and thatīs a killer handicap at indoors. He also will have to deal with faster services and time for running down balls will be shorter. The good thing is that heīs a damned fast learner as he showed yesterday (again). He knew he had to be more agressive in 3rd set and he managed to do it perfectly, hitting the ball deeper and putting pressure on Agassi when he had a chance in every rally.

Well he was able to handle the lighter balls and fast conditions, though you're right as he needs to take some shorter swings on his shots and as for length of shot, that is always important.

Sure he has the speed, but the heat is taken out of the equation, so he can't use superior fitness to his advantage and no wind or sun can hinder a big server, but that's a challenge he has to face up to.

MariaV
08-15-2005, 08:51 AM
The good thing is that heīs a damned fast learner as he showed yesterday (again). He knew he had to be more agressive in 3rd set and he managed to do it perfectly, hitting the ball deeper and putting pressure on Agassi when he had a chance in every rally.
That's exactly what I am impressed about and was so impressed last night in the 3rd set. :D He's one helluva smart kid. :yeah:

World Beater
08-15-2005, 09:51 AM
I am not one of these people that have gone Nadal crazy all of a sudden, like he has come out of nowhere, he has been around for a while. I mean it's mainly because people think of him as a claycourt specialist, yes it is a negative term. Then again, maybe it's the rabid anti-Nadal fans that have helped as well.

The fact that you are a fan by default shows you really aren't a fan.

Action Jackson
08-15-2005, 09:54 AM
The fact that you are a fan by default shows you really aren't a fan.

I have never said he was a favourite of mine, then again you wouldn't have followed the many conversations that I have had about Nadal. What it is, that all these rabid anti-Nadal fans around, have helped make me like Nadal more, whereas before I was neutral, it's just different form of dislike, some is more than others.

PamV
08-15-2005, 10:38 AM
I said he would not win a hardcourt title this year and was soundly proven wrong this week. He was in great form and translated his game and skills seamlessly. He is a USO contender for sure.

Yes, he has a chance at the USO that's obvious. I think it will depend on the draw. Nadal has never played Safin, and he has trouble with Hewitt and Roddick on hardcourt. I am not sure which other guys might give him trouble on hardcourt because this year he's played very little hard court matches. How would he do against Nalbandian, Ancic, Dent, Lopez, Karlovic etc. I think it would be interesting to see those match ups.

It also depends on Federer's draw an how he will be doing physically etc. Will his feet bother him? What about rain delays etc?

skel1983
08-15-2005, 11:20 AM
I wouldn't say he has trouble with Roddick and Hewitt until he plays them, he is totally a different proposistion on all courts from even 4 months ago, i would have him favourite to beat Hewitt no doubt, how would Hewitt hurt him??? I would say he would comfortably beat Hewitt on hard courts, i mean this guy does everything Hewitt does but three or four times better, with Roddick it will all depend on free Point's from Roddick, hard one to call probably 50-50, but to say he has trouble with these guys we can't say that until they meet, as we all know Nadal has had talent for a couple of years now, but the difference is he is now match tough, and i will say if he meets Hewitt he would totally dominate him off the court (no disrespect to Hewitt)

tennischick
08-15-2005, 11:30 AM
It wasnīt necessary to admit he was wrong cause it was pretty obvious and no other reaction would have been decent.

i agree. we're all entitled to opinions, even wrong ones. that's what tennis dicussion is all about.

it is also true that Dirk was not alone in his opinion -- many others posted the same thing. i daresay that many many others also had the same view even if they did not bother to post it. Nadal was seen as a clay courter and for many he was expected to dominate the clay season only. who knows, maybe Uncle Tony had the same view. i suspect that Nadal has surpassed his own expectations.

~EMiLiTA~
08-15-2005, 11:34 AM
good to see you've admitted that :yeah:

i hope ppl will stop labelling Rafa as a claycourter only now because, as i said in another thread, he can play damn well on hard too and now he's finally got a title to prove it

star
08-15-2005, 11:49 AM
Yes, he has a chance at the USO that's obvious. I think it will depend on the draw. Nadal has never played Safin, and he has trouble with Hewitt and Roddick on hardcourt. I am not sure which other guys might give him trouble on hardcourt because this year he's played very little hard court matches. How would he do against Nalbandian, Ancic, Dent, Lopez, Karlovic etc. I think it would be interesting to see those match ups.



Oh yes, It's going to be very interesting to see how he plays all those guys. One of the most exciting things in tennis is when a player comes on the scene like a comet. It's facinating to see all the new situations.

I think Fumus hit the nail on the head with his thread about Nadal. :)

It's a fun time in tennis. It doesn't bode that well for my favorite guys, but when a force of nature arrives in the form of a likeable kid who wears his heart on his sleeve -- I gotta just smile about it.

Deivid23
08-15-2005, 12:57 PM
who knows, maybe Uncle Tony had the same view. i suspect that Nadal has surpassed his own expectations.

Youīre wrong, Toni knows better than anyone Rafaīs potential and Iīm 101% sure he knew he was gonna play well on the summer hard courts. Of course they didnīt expect this explosion to arrive this early but Iīm also convinced their goals for Nadalīs career are way far away from achieving a Grand Slam and 3 TMS since he was 16.

skel1983
08-15-2005, 01:02 PM
I wouldn't call this an explosion isn't this the same guy who was 2-0 break up with Federer on hardcourt TMS final??? Since then he has won a Grnad slam, i opened a thread around 6 weeks back saying i fancy a Federer v Nadal US Final, most people disagreed??? This guy has improved leaps and bounds even since that final with Federer , so i couldn't see the problem with him doing so well on hard courts??

Nimomunz
08-15-2005, 01:13 PM
dirk has the class to admit when he is wrong. i am with GWH on this! i am not pro-Nadal but the rabid anti- Nadal fans pushed me over. rafa fans are charitable. look at the good reception dirks thread has, they only seem to get nasty when the anti-nadal peeps deny what is blatantly obvious to the casual fan of both!!

vincayou
08-15-2005, 01:21 PM
who are these rabid anti nadal fans? We want names and we'll look at their post of the last six months. :)

Deivid23
08-15-2005, 01:26 PM
I wouldn't call this an explosion isn't this the same guy who was 2-0 break up with Federer on hardcourt TMS final??? Since then he has won a Grnad slam, i opened a thread around 6 weeks back saying i fancy a Federer v Nadal US Final, most people disagreed??? This guy has improved leaps and bounds even since that final with Federer , so i couldn't see the problem with him doing so well on hard courts??

By "explosion" I meant winning 9 titles including a GS and 3 TMS being 18-19 years old, I think itīs quite a nice quality jump from what he had achieved at that stage of his career to label it as an "explosion"

Action Jackson
08-15-2005, 01:31 PM
By "explosion" I meant winning 9 titles including a GS and 3 TMS being 18-19 years old, I think itīs quite a nice quality jump from what he had achieved at that stage of his career to label it as an "explosion"

Not bad equalling that record by that Swedish guy called Wilander by winning 9 titles and those 4 big ones, well I didn't expect him to be that good this soon, but it's good to be surprised.

Deivid23
08-15-2005, 01:31 PM
dirk has the class to admit when he is wrong. i am with GWH on this! i am not pro-Nadal but the rabid anti- Nadal fans pushed me over. rafa fans are charitable. look at the good reception dirks thread has, they only seem to get nasty when the anti-nadal peeps deny what is blatantly obvious to the casual fan of both!!

Dirkīs analysis concerning Federer and Nadal are weak ones bc heīs biased in an opposite way in both cases, thatīs not a new thing. Nothing to be ashamed of though cause we all have our biases and sometimes itīs difficult to be objective, anyway I like people who take the challenge and make predictions. But I donīt give props nor credit to recognizing he was wrong cause itīs blatantly obvious and had no other way out if he wanted to be considered a serious poster here

Deivid23
08-15-2005, 01:35 PM
Not bad equalling that record by that Swedish guy called Wilander by winning 9 titles and those 4 big ones, well I didn't expect him to be that good this soon, but it's good to be surprised.

As much as I like Nadal and even having the huge expectations I have for his career, I didnīt expect this to arrive so early, but as u said Iīll gladly take it :)

PD: Iīve read a Moyáīs comment saying he thinks the turning point on Nadalīs career was his DC match against Roddick, "the beast inside of him woke up", Iīve thought the same sometimes before and itīs good to know Carlos thinks the same.

yanchr
08-15-2005, 01:35 PM
Good for you for seeing the error of the ways and being brave enough to say so, so are Montreal and Miami clay events now?
You can always leave out the latter part of this sentence to actually mean what you want to.

Action Jackson
08-15-2005, 01:39 PM
PD: Iīve read a Moyáīs comment saying he thinks the turning point on Nadalīs career was his DC match against Roddick, "the beast inside of him woke up", Iīve thought the same sometimes before and itīs good to know Carlos thinks the same.

I remember the fierce battles I had in the lead up with some people about whether Nadal should play on Day 1 of the DC final and I backed Rafa, for those who think I am bragging, bump up the thread and the evidence is there.

That Ferrero wasn't the best choice, he handled the occasion so well and from there his confidence grew and grew.

World Beater
08-15-2005, 01:41 PM
You can always leave out the latter part of this sentence to actually mean what you want to.

He likes to throw in his left jab for good measure :boxing:

skel1983
08-15-2005, 01:44 PM
apologys this is a big explosion on the year no doubt!!
on hard court's shown his quality in march 2005.

yanchr
08-15-2005, 01:49 PM
dirk has the class to admit when he is wrong. i am with GWH on this! i am not pro-Nadal but the rabid anti- Nadal fans pushed me over. rafa fans are charitable. look at the good reception dirks thread has, they only seem to get nasty when the anti-nadal peeps deny what is blatantly obvious to the casual fan of both!!
Dirk's class only helped destroy the balance between two established camps. Like now, you anti-Fed fans felt you grab the victory finally against anti-Nadal fans, didn't you? But this is not the case cuz Fed and Nadal are still in balance to some degree with Fed leading a bit ahead. Plus, we don't need class in this forum or we will miss so much fun won't we?

This is the last thing Dirk should do in this forum, even though part of what he said is the truth.

Nimomunz
08-15-2005, 01:50 PM
Dirk's class only helped destroy the balance between two established camps. Like now, you anti-Fed fans felt you grab the victory finally against anti-Nadal fans, didn't you? But this is not the case cuz Fed and Nadal are still in balance to some degree with Fed leading a bit ahead. Plus, we don't need class in this forum or we will miss so much fun won't we?

This is the last thing Dirk should do in this forum, even though part of what he said is the truth.
a bit overdramatic, eh?

Action Jackson
08-15-2005, 01:51 PM
apologys this is a big explosion on the year no doubt!!
on hard court's shown his quality in march 2005.

He laid the seeds for it there, though the AO was a good indication as well, this effort above, just made it grow at a faster rate.

yanchr
08-15-2005, 01:55 PM
a bit overdramatic, eh?
Yes, a bit. But I doubt no one in the other group actually has that kind of feeling.

Ok. Your boy proves himself by his action. Good for him. Let's wait for our boy to come out with a say by his action. All in all, facts speak louder than words. So better leave the battle to them rather than we take it ourselves.

skel1983
08-15-2005, 01:57 PM
I was refering to him being a major player at the US, his AO preformance would not have put him as one of the fav's for the title, i was refering to my post of Will it be FED V RAFA in Us open final, alot of the post's said highly unlikely Rafa has not proved himself and could be too early for him, but my argument was he has proved he can live with the big boy's on this sort of surface. i.e March 2005. That's why i predicted that final.

Nimomunz
08-15-2005, 02:02 PM
their h2h is 2-1 in favor of nadal.
and yanchr actions may speak louder than words but here at a message board, words are a bit necessary!

Castafiore
08-15-2005, 02:04 PM
Ok. Your boy proves himself by his action. Good for him. Let's wait for our boy to come out with a say by his action. All in all, facts speak louder than words. So better leave the battle to them rather than we take it ourselves.
our boy
your boy
:confused:
They're not ours...sadly :sad: ;)


There should not be a "us" vs "them" but just "we support him more" & "good luck to those who support others more" (and while I'm being naive and dreaming...'I would like world peace as well... :angel: )

Fumus
08-15-2005, 02:04 PM
If you wanna be real brave, predict Nadal winning Wimbly next year.

star
08-15-2005, 02:06 PM
Do you call that brave or foolish? :lol: :lol:

yanchr
08-15-2005, 02:08 PM
their h2h is 2-1 in favor of nadal.
and yanchr actions may speak louder than words but here at a message board, words are a bit necessary!
You know clearly that I'm not talking about their H to H. So don't bring that up. Plus it's more likely than not that their H to H records will remain the same the rest of the year.

And you mean you still want battles here? Then find sb else. I'm not going to be the person to accompany you, coz my boy will be in action soon. And I can't wait. Cheers :bounce: :wavey:

Nimomunz
08-15-2005, 02:10 PM
i'm not looking for battles i just think that your a bit overdramatic and that your possesive calling of fed your boy is a bit off!! :wavey:

yanchr
08-15-2005, 02:13 PM
our boy
your boy
:confused:
They're not ours...sadly :sad: ;)


There should not be a "us" vs "them" but just "we support him more" & "good luck to those who support others more" (and while I'm being naive and dreaming...'I would like world peace as well... :angel: )
Do you have to come out finding fault with my shortened version of the long-ass "the player I support more", my dear peace-lover? BTW, I myself am a peace-lover too :angel:

Fumus
08-15-2005, 02:15 PM
Do you call that brave or foolish? :lol: :lol:


Well all I have to say is I predicted Nadal to win the French in Nov.2004 before he even played the DC final. Everyone said no way, he's not ready...but oohh what a web we weave.

World Beater
08-15-2005, 02:15 PM
their h2h is 2-1 in favor of nadal.
and yanchr actions may speak louder than words but here at a message board, words are a bit necessary!

OMG. Nadal owns federer. Federer should pack his bags everytime nadal is in the same tournament.

Nimomunz
08-15-2005, 02:16 PM
Do you have to come out finding fault with my shortened version of the long-ass "the player I support more", my dear peace-lover? BTW, I myself am a peace-lover too :angel:
you could try calling them by their name?!





p.s. still not picking a fight here :lol:

Nimomunz
08-15-2005, 02:16 PM
OMG. Nadal owns federer. Federer should pack his bags everytime nadal is in the same tournament.
preach!!

Castafiore
08-15-2005, 02:22 PM
Do you have to come out finding fault with my shortened version of the long-ass "the player I support more", my dear peace-lover? BTW, I myself am a peace-lover too :angel:
Come on, don't take everything so seriously.

Erm...didn't I use enough smilies perhaps to make it clear that the tone of my message was not to be taken that seriously but I'm just trying to move away from the "us" vs "them" debates?

OK...some more smilies to lighten up the tone:
:) :wavey: :angel: :bounce: :clap2: :bigclap: :smooch: :dance: :bigwave: :yippee: :D :cool:
(edit: damn, that many smilies in one post is not good for the eyes)

World Beater
08-15-2005, 02:23 PM
:) preach!!

Saumon
08-15-2005, 03:13 PM
good effort dirk :yeah:

Dirk
08-15-2005, 03:15 PM
When you're wrong your wrong. I was wrong several times this week. I thought Moya would take him out, then I thought Grosjean would do it and I even thought Paul would do it. By the time Nadal got to Andre, I thought he will probably win this one too. He is proof that you don't need a great serve if you have a great hold game to back it up. Unless a good hardcourt player can take him to the distance and cause him to lose his gas tank they will likely lose unless they come to the net quite a bit during the USO; that is really the only chances they have to beat Nadal.

Castafiore
08-15-2005, 03:18 PM
I admire a man who can admit when he's wrong!

Like others have said, no need to say it really but you did anyway. :yeah:

RogiFan88
08-15-2005, 03:23 PM
Dirk, at least you admit you were wrong, unlike some here. But next time, do not underestimate El Huracan Nadal, OK?

Dirk
08-15-2005, 03:26 PM
I may not like Nadal's style of play nor his hyper antics but I can admire greatness where ever it is. He did hit some amazing shots this week that I applauded. In a way I hope that he actually wins another title this year (certainly not the USO or the Cup) and Roger wins a few more because it would great to see two players hit the 10 title mark in one year. I don't think that has ever been done before.

mp3junkie
08-15-2005, 05:11 PM
Props to Dirk. NOt too many other posters would admit to being wrong. The fact of the matter is that from a historical point of view, one wouldn't think that Nadal's game would translate well to hardcourts. But Nadal is just a different animal. Not only does he get to every ball hit onto his side of the court, he gets it back over to the other side to at least a neutral position so there is no easy put aways. This is what gave Federer so much trouble in Miami. Then you have to admire how Nadal has tweaked his game for the hardcourts. He is hitting that lefty serve out wide beautifully and then taking the ball earlier and hitting it DTL. He is hitting this inside-out BH DTL wonderfully to finish off rallies. He only really needs to improve his volleys, return of serve and maybe put some more pop on his serve for more cheapie points. As it is, Nadal only lost two games on his serve the entire tournament because nobody could hit the ball past him and he controlled at least 75% of all the rallies. Agassi hit some really good shots consistently that would break down just about anyone else but he couldn't finish the points. He just coudln't get it past Nadal.

I totally agree with your assessment of Nadal's play. Very good analysis.

Raquel
08-15-2005, 05:29 PM
Well done Dirk on admitting you were wrong; although having 3 or 4 threads bumped to remind you of predictions you made months ago was just cruel. Those pesky Nadal fans! :mad: :p ;)

Rafael was great yesterday and he is really exciting to watch but back then I wouldn't have predicted he would win a hardcourt TMC this year either. Although if I had known then that Roger and Marat would be missing, Lleyton would retire ill and Andy would bomb out in the first round I might have predicted a Nadal win.

Chloe le Bopper
08-15-2005, 06:09 PM
OMG. Nadal owns federer. Federer should pack his bags everytime nadal is in the same tournament.

No no, it's like this:

Nadal is lucky that Federer wasn't trying, yo. Federer wins the next match, love and love.

Chloe le Bopper
08-15-2005, 06:10 PM
Well done Dirk on admitting you were wrong; although having 3 or 4 threads bumped to remind you of predictions you made months ago was just cruel. Those pesky Nadal fans! :mad: :p ;)

Yeah, really.

Rafael was great yesterday and he is really exciting to watch but back then I wouldn't have predicted he would win a hardcourt TMC this year either. Although if I had known then that Roger and Marat would be missing, Lleyton would retire ill and Andy would bomb out in the first round I might have predicted a Nadal win.

Escuses :angel:

Raquel
08-15-2005, 06:21 PM
Escuses :angel:
It's just the fear talking.

ys
08-15-2005, 06:31 PM
I don't think I've ever been wrong about Nadal..

Chloe le Bopper
08-15-2005, 06:32 PM
I spot a piggy hata! Karate chop!

I think Karate Chop only works on Ninja hatas. I totally missed my calling as a Fed troll.

NYCtennisfan
08-15-2005, 06:50 PM
Apart from that, I heavily disagree at the statement The fact of the matter is that from a historical point of view, one wouldn't think that Nadal's game would translate well to hardcourts.

I was talking about players thoughout history and their playing styles.

tennischick
08-15-2005, 10:23 PM
As much as I like Nadal and even having the huge expectations I have for his career, I didnīt expect this to arrive so early, but as u said Iīll gladly take it :) .
and i daresay neither he nor his coach did either. this has nothing to do with Nadal's potential -- there was never any question of this. i just never got the impression that his coach expected him to deliver on it this year. what a pleasant surprise for them both. Moya's analysis may be correct -- that something got awakened in Nadal this year. even Moya (who was as aware of Nadal's potential as anyone) seems to have been caught pleasantly by surprise.

tennischick
08-15-2005, 10:26 PM
Well all I have to say is I predicted Nadal to win the French in Nov.2004 before he even played the DC final. Everyone said no way, he's not ready...but oohh what a web we weave.
yes you did. and you were right. yippee!

having not made predictions one way or the other this does not affect me in the slightest. i just don't get why folks who made a different prediction are being slammed. none of us have crystal balls. if someone did not think that Nadal would gain as many titltes as he did this year, i don't see why they have to be criticized for that. it's all just a part of the tennis discussion -- it's not that big a deal IMO.

Saumon
08-15-2005, 10:33 PM
I spot a piggy hata! Karate chop!

I think Karate Chop only works on Ninja hatas. I totally missed my calling as a Fed troll.
chloe the ninja :lol:
http://yelims5.free.fr/Sport/karate.gif http://yelims5.free.fr/Sport/ArtMartiaux.gif http://yelims3.free.fr/Jesuis/Picku29.gif

Chloe le Bopper
08-15-2005, 10:37 PM
I enjoy your ninja smilies!

Saumon
08-15-2005, 10:38 PM
I enjoy your ninja smilies!
:) ;)

jacobhiggins
08-16-2005, 12:00 AM
He's suprised me this year, a very good player!

World Beater
08-16-2005, 02:42 AM
I spot a piggy hata! Karate chop!

I think Karate Chop only works on Ninja hatas. I totally missed my calling as a Fed troll.

Nah. Nadal aint a piggy. He is mowgli on 'roids! :devil: ;)

Realistically, he's got more of the apache indian look

RonE
08-16-2005, 07:24 AM
It takes a big man to admit his mistakes. Not many others would have had the guts to do so so well done Dirk.

Like TC said, many other people even if they did not post it, certainly thought that Nadal would not be a real contender during the hardcourt season and I admit I was one of those, and I am sure there are many others.

I see Roger and Rafa as the two big favourites for the US Open unless something totally unforseen happens and a final between them would be a blockbuster considering all that is at stake. But this is all quite far away still a few more events to be played first.

Puschkin
08-16-2005, 07:34 AM
Like TC said, many other people even if they did not post it, certainly thought that Nadal would not be a real contender during the hardcourt season and I admit I was one of those, and I am sure there are many others.



I see Roger and Rafa as the two big favourites for the US Open unless something totally unforseen happens.

I seem to be in the middle of these two comments. I never doubted, that Nadal could do well on Hard court, at the same time, he is not the big favourite for the US Open for me. In fact, up to now, I see no clear favourite emerging for the US Open.

MariaV
08-16-2005, 07:50 AM
Yeah well USO may be too much for Rafa but who knows, he has surprised us already so anything's possible you know. :)