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What could the ATP do to help YOU appreciate doubles more?

ae wowww
08-04-2005, 11:22 AM
I am interested to hear individuals specific ideas. They could be small changes, or huge re-vamps, I think it would be worthwhile to hear different points of view. Please feel free to comment if you feel the recent scoring and ranking changes will attract you (or not).

I think the ATP ought to have more material concerning doubles, on www.atptennis.com (http://www.atptennis.com) They have recently inserted a 3 line 'column' wherein they comment on the duo of the month or something, but this really is not enough in my opinion.

Perhaps additionally, they could provide a head-to-heard search service, where the public can see if certain teams have played each other before and/or whether two players have contested a doubles match before as well.

In the recent edition of Australian Tennis Magazine, the president of Tennis Australia wrote a moderately sized piece on how the magazine hopes to promote doubles, denoting his love for the game etc blah blah blah. However, despite being the first issue since Wimbledon, apart from that article, I don't think there was any other mention of Stephen Huss' Grand Slam doubles triumph. They listed only the top 5 doubles players, and did not display any of the Wimbledon doubles draws (MD, WD, XD). It just seemed a little hypocritical to me, and I am considering writing in with my points of view.

Anyway, as the poster once said to the forum: "Discuss".

mitalidas
08-04-2005, 11:57 AM
Sometimes these things are just a matter of individual preference. the concept of doubles tennis is fine to me (it's still tennis), but I enjoy individual efforts ---it's one of the most significant things I enjoy about tennis. in addition, i feel atp/others don't build up personalities or rivalries as much on the doubles tour. i know i would watch doubles a little more if some of the more interesting matchups took place --say Federer+coria against nadal+safin on clay. but even then, for some I suspect singles is more interesting because there is no crutch to lean on

1sun
08-04-2005, 01:44 PM
top players playin. i aint really interest in doubles, if its on tv ill watch it, only because i am grateful for any tennis coverage.

LaTenista
08-04-2005, 01:48 PM
Draw sheets at tournaments need to have info on the doubles players, head-to-heads, etc.

Also, stop putting doubles matches as the last matches of the day like they are an afterthought or something.

Experimentee
08-04-2005, 02:27 PM
The best thing they could possibly do would be to show more doubles on tv. The reason singles players are more well known and popular is because people see them on tv, see their game and become a fan. They then want to see that player play, both singles and doubles. If doubles was on tv now people would see doubles players and become fans, then they might go to tournaments to see doubles matches.

The current changes to scoring will just reinforce in the public's mind that doubles is an additional filler that isnt as important as singles. And the rules that try to encourage singles players to play doubles doesnt acknowledge the fact that singles players are more popular because they get more exposure on tv.

ae wowww
08-04-2005, 04:16 PM
LaTenista and Experimentee, thank you for the sensible comments. It's suggestions such as yours that can and should work.

Thoughts such as "Federer and Safin vs Agassi and Nadal" anger me. How do the ATP have control over that? And do you SERIOUSLY want to see that? You think that'll make good doubleS?

kabuki
08-04-2005, 04:48 PM
Top Player Participation. (Which will never happen)

RickDaStick
08-04-2005, 04:54 PM
LaTenista and Experimentee, thank you for the sensible comments. It's suggestions such as yours that can and should work.

Thoughts such as "Federer and Safin vs Agassi and Nadal" anger me. How do the ATP have control over that? And do you SERIOUSLY want to see that? You think that'll make good doubleS?

Yes, I do.

Regenbogen
08-04-2005, 05:00 PM
The best thing they could possibly do would be to show more doubles on tv. The reason singles players are more well known and popular is because people see them on tv, see their game and become a fan. They then want to see that player play, both singles and doubles. If doubles was on tv now people would see doubles players and become fans, then they might go to tournaments to see doubles matches.

The current changes to scoring will just reinforce in the public's mind that doubles is an additional filler that isnt as important as singles. And the rules that try to encourage singles players to play doubles doesnt acknowledge the fact that singles players are more popular because they get more exposure on tv.
agreed. basically, if i want to see a doubles match, i have to go to the tournament :rolleyes:

Papakori
08-04-2005, 05:03 PM
I think that maybe there should be some more coverage of it on tv and in newspapers/magasines which possibly would not happy. Also, like latenista said; not have the matches at the end of the day. I don't think that top player participation really matters.

partygirl
08-04-2005, 05:09 PM
get ANDY & ROGER to play doubles together!

Deboogle!.
08-04-2005, 05:17 PM
Promote it more, period. At tournaments where doubles is hyped and promoted, a good number of people stick around and go to the side courts for the matches. Advertise it, pump it up, make it sound fun.

ae wowww
08-04-2005, 05:50 PM
Promote it more, period. At tournaments where doubles is hyped and promoted, a good number of people stick around and go to the side courts for the matches. Advertise it, pump it up, make it sound fun.

Hell YEAH! Crank it up American Style!! :rocker2:

revolution
08-04-2005, 05:53 PM
Advertise doubles, or try and train younger players in doubles as well as singles.

ae wowww
08-04-2005, 06:09 PM
http://www.atptennis.com/shared/photos/180X250/tennis_channel.gif

:worship:

disturb3d
08-04-2005, 06:15 PM
One and only one reason. Increase the prize money.

DayTripperGH
08-04-2005, 06:21 PM
maybe if the atp didnt screw doubles already with the no-ad scoring and something [i forgot] and showed it a little more...

i love doubles...but they just dont show it!!!

alfonsojose
08-04-2005, 06:22 PM
I can't believe ESPN and other broadcasters are so dumb about promoting doubles. C'mon therer are two human beings interacting here. They could interview them talking about each other, their experiences together, what they like/dislike from each other. I mean, everybody involved in a relationship, siblings/co-workers/friends/couple could relate to that. Even in singles it could be great for example, to show on a half of the screen the face of the player and the face of his coach/girlfriend father on the other on a crucial point. Just a few seconds of course but i think there's a lot of room to improve :shrug:

jtipson
08-04-2005, 06:25 PM
get ANDY & ROGER to play doubles together!

I hear it's Roger you have to work on to get that to happen, not the ATP ;)

superpinkone37
08-04-2005, 06:30 PM
They need to to promote it more. You never see interviews with doubles players. ESPN is starting to show players that most casual fans might not know (ie non-Americans, lower ranked players), which is good. But most of the good doubles teams are exclusively doubles players, and to introduce players like these would interest more fans. As of now, the only doubles you see the the last few points of the final at a Grand Slam or something, rarely more. Doubles, and doubles players need to be promoted much more and we need to see a lot more of it on tv. And get rid of those stupid new rules :).

ae wowww
08-04-2005, 06:32 PM
Alfie, GREAT comments :D

ae wowww
08-04-2005, 06:34 PM
One and only one reason. Increase the prize money.

Interlinked with this, I think points earned by a player in doubles, should count towards their singles ranking-but not vice versa, and definitely not this new system of 50-50 results :rolleyes:

Extra points up for grabs would no doubt incourage top players to compete in doubles, thus additionally having a chance to take on Roger :D The incentive would also be there with greater money :yeah:

CooCooCachoo
08-04-2005, 09:34 PM
Nothing..

I already love it :worship:
Maybe they could kick out those annoying Bryan Brothers. Can't we put some illegal stuff in their drinks and have them tested afterwards? :shrug:

ae wowww
08-04-2005, 09:38 PM
Nothing..

I already love it :worship:
Maybe they could kick out those annoying Bryan Brothers. Can't we put some illegal stuff in their drinks and have them tested afterwards? :shrug:

Looking back on it, I feel I could've perhaps better worded the title... It should be what positive changes should they make and/or is there anything which would attract you..

:lol: at the Bryans!

Deboogle!.
08-04-2005, 09:52 PM
I realize you don't like them, CooCoo. but the Bryans got almost as big crowds last week in LA as AGASSI. They were the tournament's 2nd biggest draw - singles OR doubles. I'm sorry, but I think doubles needs them, at least in the US. They're fun, charismatic, good-looking, successful, and basically 100% dedicated to doubles. ESPN talks about them and shows them sometimes, I think they can help doubles - at least in the US - immensely. You don't have to like them or support them to realize they are helping bring some attention to doubles.

uNIVERSE mAN
08-05-2005, 01:20 AM
doubles is garbage, only used at clubs with too many members and too few courts, and for old people who can't run and need to socialise.

LaTenista
08-05-2005, 01:30 AM
I realize you don't like them, CooCoo. but the Bryans got almost as big crowds last week in LA as AGASSI. They were the tournament's 2nd biggest draw - singles OR doubles. I'm sorry, but I think doubles needs them, at least in the US. They're fun, charismatic, good-looking, successful, and basically 100% dedicated to doubles. ESPN talks about them and shows them sometimes, I think they can help doubles - at least in the US - immensely. You don't have to like them or support them to realize they are helping bring some attention to doubles.

So true. :worship: I can personally vouch that Mike is a nice guy. I can't even imagine doubles with the Bryans.

About top players playing, Nadal has played tons of doubles this year and he's No 2 in the world...the other players mentioned (Agassi, Roddick, Fed, and Safin) have all played doubles at least 1 match this year as well. But I think it's a bit ridiculous to expect the guys who are making it to the last weekend of tournaments consistently to also play doubles ever week. The top singles players won't and cannot save doubles, only the promotion and marketing of this part of tennis can.

LaTenista
08-05-2005, 01:33 AM
doubles is garbage, only used at clubs with too many members and too few courts, and for old people who can't run and need to socialise.

Did you get the memo entitled Fed Plays Doubles? :scratch:

Seleshfan
08-05-2005, 01:46 AM
1) They could pay me to watch and act entertained.
2) They could cut down the doubles schedule to just one or two doubles tournaments a year, for absence makes my heart grow fonder.
3) They could cut the sets to 2 games per set, with a 3 point tie-break at 1-all. I find fast paced, sudden death terribly exciting. This would also clear up a lot of courts for the singles.
4) They could let the players, play nude. I for one would pay to see the Bryan Brother jumping chest bump without either of them wearing clothes.
5) They could have Oprah endorse doubles, with the "Oprah's Team of the Month Club." I think if we got to know the teams on a personal level as only Oprah can reveal, I'd be interested.
6) They could require the teams to play with wooden racquets and advertise doubles as the classical game of tennis. I would really like to see how today's players would play with old equipment.
7) They could name the teams, and promote matches like a WWE tag team clash. To me a match between "The Conquistadors" (Lopez, Nadal) and "The Flyin' Brians" just sounds more exciting.
8) I also think they are going to need help from local clubs. As Universeman states, it's not helpful when the only doubles, people see is old people at their club gasping for oxygen as they waddle for a ball hit right to them, then waddle to their wheelchair at changeovers. Clubs should promote juniors and young adults to play.

uNIVERSE mAN
08-05-2005, 03:18 AM
Did you get the memo entitled Fed Plays Doubles? :scratch:

they always force me to play it when it's busy, I hate it! pair up they say, F you I say.

ys
08-05-2005, 04:16 AM
Make it a part of some new rankings. In alpine skiing there are slalom competition, downhill competition, and combo competition. Make something like that..

I like playing singles. I like playing doubles. Singles is a game that could be played by people who are intelligent below average. In other words, it is relatively dumb game. You have only two object to follow and process in your brain, and you have more time. Simple. In doubles there are four moving objects instead of two, you are given less time, and precision is more important than power. And it is a team game on top.

Watching doubles therefore is also very interesting if you are knowledgeable enough to understand and appreciate it.

YoursTruly
08-05-2005, 04:48 AM
Top Player Participation. (Which will never happen)


Actually some top players or known ones have been in doubles for many years now and recently I've noticed draws of tournaments having teams with top players and even all-top player teams. But the problem is that they, and the doubles coverage is ignored. Meanwhile, some total lazy-ass ZZZZZ golf tournament is on for hours and hours and hours....LIVE.

ae wowww
08-05-2005, 10:15 AM
uNIVERSE mAN - how old are you, out of interest?

seleshfan - a professional comedian, I assume?

Seleshfan
08-06-2005, 02:03 AM
seleshfan - a professional comedian, I assume?

No, just your average smart ass. I could be professional if you pay me. What do you say?

Flibbertigibbet
08-06-2005, 03:07 AM
The doubles that I have watched I've enjoyed. To answer the question, I think that increasing TV coverage, highlighting the doubles players, and so on will all help. Of course, it'd also be nice to reel in some of the singles players into it, too (and there are top singles players, such as Federer, Nadal, Safin, etc., who do play doubles tournaments on the occasion, and that should help the profile of doubles). It'd be nice to see more doubles - at the very least, I think they ought to try to get coverage of Grand Slam doubles (semi-finals and finals would be nice)... of course, I'm just dreaming there.

Scotso
08-06-2005, 05:17 AM
I already love doubles... and it's sickening that they're going to screw up the game like this.

Gonzo Hates Me!
08-06-2005, 05:19 AM
Maybe they can send little girls to take pictures of Jim Thomas and Jordan Kerr for them, which forces them to watch their entire match Andy

hehe

ae wowww
08-06-2005, 06:39 PM
Maybe they can send little girls to take pictures of Jim Thomas and Jordan Kerr for them, which forces them to watch their entire match Andy

hehe

No force, purely request ;) You have to stay at a whole match for pics?? :D

Kristen
08-07-2005, 09:18 AM
Not much, sadly. For me, as a doubles fan, and a fan of players who are so crap they need to compete in doubles for prize money/practice/whatever other reason...it was fine as it was. Thanks ATP :wavey: Now I have less hope of seeing Tripp and Lindstedt around. :help:

mitalidas
08-07-2005, 12:38 PM
LaTenista and Experimentee, thank you for the sensible comments. It's suggestions such as yours that can and should work.

Thoughts such as "Federer and Safin vs Agassi and Nadal" anger me. How do the ATP have control over that? And do you SERIOUSLY want to see that? You think that'll make good doubleS?

they might anger you, but your question was what could ATP do to help YOU (caps are yours) appreciate doubles more. there are many opinions out here which don't mirror yours, why ask if you don't want to hear them???

if you ask this question --what do you expect to hear? only things that don't anger you? its a fact some of us would be more engaged in doubles if the colourful personalities played it

*Ljubica*
08-07-2005, 12:45 PM
they might anger you, but your question was what could ATP do to help YOU (caps are yours) appreciate doubles more. there are many opinions out here which don't mirror yours, why ask if you don't want to hear them???

I agree. The only doubles match that has interested ME in ages is the match in Montreal - Nalbandian/Puerta against Gaudio/Lopez. I know Gaudio/Lopez is just a fun,"scratch" pairing and the other two are just playing together to practice for a possible match in the Davis Cup semis - but as a huge fan of 3 of those players I would go to watch it no matter what time it was on or how much it cost to get in. I don't deny it might not be the kind of match a doubles purist might appreciate, but if we're being asked what we feel the ATP should do to attract more fans to doubles - well this or the aforementioned Federer/Safin vs Agassi/Nadal would be the answer for me and many others! I have 3 girlfriends in Canada who never normally never watch doubles but they'll all definately be going to the Gaudio match because they're huge Gaudio fans and they like Nalbandian too - so if the ATP really wants to make doubles more accessible, then I don't think they should sneer at people with views like this because they're probably in the majority. You only need to see the crowds who watch Martina Navratilova at Wimbledon (when normally not many people there bother to watch the Ladies' or the Mixed Doubles), to prove that personalities are what attracts the fans.

ae wowww
08-07-2005, 01:08 PM
They anger me, because such changes are out of the ATP's hands?? They're changes you'd like to see-but nothing to do with the title of the thread. Mitalidas and Rosie, I hope you understand what I mean..

mitalidas
08-07-2005, 01:11 PM
They anger me, because such changes are out of the ATP's hands?? They're changes you'd like to see-but nothing to do with the title of the thread. Mitalidas and Rosie, I hope you understand what I mean..

these things can be controlled by the ATP by changing the cash disbursements (a previous poster pointed this out) by offering well known singles players a lot more to play doubles and/or by promoting some personalities or rivalries on the doubles tour

the ATP uses money as the incentive for everything else, why not for doubles? probably because they don't care about it, which the recent scoring system they've introduced goes to show

*Ljubica*
08-07-2005, 04:37 PM
these things can be controlled by the ATP by changing the cash disbursements (a previous poster pointed this out) by offering well known singles players a lot more to play doubles and/or by promoting some personalities or rivalries on the doubles tour

the ATP uses money as the incentive for everything else, why not for doubles? probably because they don't care about it, which the recent scoring system they've introduced goes to show

Absolutely - agreed 100% :yeah:

ae wowww
08-07-2005, 06:42 PM
You two... You honestly think the likes of Federer would play doubles because he was offered more money?

Not at all worth the risk, regardless of how much he earns from it. Promoting personalities and rivalries on the doubles tour has nothing to do with singles players, and doesn't need them.

mitalidas
08-07-2005, 07:39 PM
You two... You honestly think the likes of Federer would play doubles because he was offered more money?

Not at all worth the risk, regardless of how much he earns from it. Promoting personalities and rivalries on the doubles tour has nothing to do with singles players, and doesn't need them.

not specifically Federer. but top players go to tournaments in far off places like dubai and asia that they wouldn't ordinarily go to, for half million dollar appearance fees. money has a lot to do with how ATP players behave --including in clothing contracts, advertisements, appearances at lower key tournaments and even illegal wagering. why suddenly would they shun doubles play for some money? doesn't sound so far fetched to me

ae wowww
08-14-2005, 10:17 PM
I see Federer plays doubles next week-this time at an event where there are other teams worth watching :D! Wonder how he will take losing on a hardcourt :D!