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DC france v russia

Via
07-06-2005, 12:14 AM
RUSSIA v FRANCE
Venue: Moscow, Russia (clay – indoors)

Russia
Nikolay Davydenko
Mikhail Youzhny
Igor Andreev
Tiemuraz Gabashvili
Captain: Shamil Tarpischev

France
Arnaud Clement
Richard Gasquet
Michael Llodra
Paul-Henri Mathieu
Captain: Guy Forget

good luck to france.... and the likely doubles combination of arnaud/mika !!!

Marine
07-06-2005, 02:46 PM
Not able to think tennis now, cos "in mourning" for Paris2012.

delsa
07-06-2005, 04:51 PM
Not able to think tennis now, cos "in mourning" for Paris2012.
Poor Marine... :sad: I can't imagine how you feel...I'm tired and sad myself now after having been around devastated people all day... :sad:
C'est pas si grave...Paris s'en remettra...Ne sois pas si triste... :hug: :smooch:
Comme tu l'a toi-même conseillé à un moment: garde la positive attitude!!! :music:

Marine
07-06-2005, 05:27 PM
Merci delsa. J'y croyais à fond, et ce qui m'écoeure c'est la façon dont londres a gagné. Et ce qui me dégoute le plus c'est qu'il y avait un énorme engouement ici, plus de 80 % de Français etaient pour, contre 60% en Angleterre. Ca me laisse le goute amer d'un hold up, d'une certaine injustice que je vais avoir du mal à digérer en tant que fan de sport en général.


C'est énorme la déception qu'il peut y avoir ce soir, j'imaginais pas que les gens seraient aussi tristes. Et les sportifs comme Laura Flessel m'ont ému avec leurs larmes :bigcry:

J'en profite pour ajouter que Delanoe est génial, il s'est laché sur france 2, il a réussi à me faire rire avec son franc parler et son ironie ! Il aurait mérité ces jeux il 'est bien démené.

Allez, j'espere que les anglais auront la pluie tout au long de ces JO, que ça va retarder les compets et tout et tout... :ras:

delsa
07-06-2005, 10:26 PM
Let's speak about exciting things again, ok?
All the first pics of the French team preparing for the tie and other informations about it that weren't already mentioned (there is a lot more in the press file about the tie but these are the only ones that could be of any reel interest to us, i think...) ... ;)
I would have put pictures of the Russian team too but i don't know where to find them...Does anyone know where i could find some? :confused:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/lili979/PauloDC.bmp http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/5247/gasquettraininghardwithpatrice.png http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/6239/sanstitre0mc.png http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/819/sanstitre0kk.png



ENTRAÎNEURS - TRAINERS/COACHES
Patrice Hagelaeur and Rodolphe Gilbert

PREPARATEUR PHYSIQUE - PHYSICAL TRAINER
Paul Quetin

KINESITHERAPEUTES - PHYSIOTHERAPIST
Christophe Ceccaldi and Patrick Bordier

MEDECIN - DOCTOR
Bernard Montalvan

CORDEUR - STRINGER
Jean-Jacques Poupon

COORDINATEUR - COORDINATOR
Guillaume Raoux

LE SITE -THE VENUE
Stade Olympique de Moscou
16, Olympiyskiy Prospect
129090 Moscou (Russie)
Capacité : 11 400 places
Surface : Terre battue couverte

Moscow's Olympic Stadium
16, Olympiyskiy Prospect
129090 Moscow (Russia)
Capacity: 11 400 seats
Surface: indoor clay

LE TIRAGE AU SORT - THE DRAW
Le tirage au sort des matches sera effectué comme le veut la tradition la veille de la rencontre, soit le jeudi 14 juillet 2005, à 13 heures, sur le lieu même de la rencontre, au centre de presse du Stade olympique.

The draw will be done, as the tradition wants it, on the eve of the tie, so on the Thursday, July 14th 2005 at 2:00 pm, in the venue of the tie: in the Olympic Stadium' press center.
(It will be the French national day/fest! Is it a sign? ;) )

LES ARBITRES - THE UMPIRES
Juge-arbitre: Mike MORRISSEY (GBR)
Arbitres : Enric MOLINA (ESP) et Damian STEINER (ARG)

LES BALLES - THE BALLS (easy one... ;) )
La rencontre sera disputée avec des balles "Roland-Garros", fabriquées par Major Sport, les mêmes que celles utilisées lors des Internationaux de France.

The tie will be played with "Roland Garros" balls, made by Major Sport, the same that those used for the French Open.

PROGRAMME PRÉVISIONNEL - PREVISION OF THE PROGRAM

Vendredi 15 juillet
A partir de 12 h 45 (10 h 45, heure française) : présentation officielle des deux équipes suivie à partir de
13 heures (11 heures, heure française) des deux premiers simples disputés au meilleur des cinq manches.

Friday, July 15th
From 12:45 (10:45 am French (GMT +1) time): official presentation of the two teams followed by,
from 13:00 pm (11:00 am, French (GMT+1) time) the two first singles played at the best of five sets.

Samedi 16 juillet
A partir de 13 h 15 (11 h 15, heure française) : cérémonie du double, suivie, à partir de 13 h 30 (11 h 30, heure française), du double disputé au meilleur des cinq manches.

Saturday, July 16th
From 13:15 (11:15 am, French (GMT+1) time): Doubles presentation ceremony, followed by,
from 13:30 (11:30 am, French (GMT+1) time), the doubles played at the best of five sets.

Dimanche 17 juillet 2005
A partir de 13 heures (11 heures, heure française) : les deux derniers simples disputés au meilleur des cinq manches (sauf si le sort de la rencontre est déjà scellé).

Sunday, July 17th 2005
From 13:00 (11:00 , French (GMT+1) time) : the two last singles played at the best of five sets (except if the winner of the tie is already known)

Via
07-06-2005, 11:56 PM
:hug: marine.... i thought of you immediately when i heard the news about the olympics last night, i swear!

thanks delsa for posting and translating the latest news! :worship:

Hangdog
07-07-2005, 02:21 AM
Merci for the news of French team, delsa. I'm verrry happy that everything's ok with the team (except Sebastien :rolleyes: but that's his problems :( ).

Now I'll try to observe the situation of russians. So at the moment the team (I can't write "our team"... what's mine team of these two?..) is next: Nikolay DAVYDENKO, Igor ANDREEV, Mikhail YOUZHNY, Teimuraz GABASHVILI. Let's look. The first number is Davydenko... He didn't finish his match against Bjorkman in second round of Wimbledon. Then he was going to have an operation but didn't have it. And on 5th of July in Gstaad he didn't finish again his match against Sargsian when he leads 6-1 1-0. After match Nicolay said: "I'm going to have a medical checkup so then it'll become clear how serious my injury is. So I'll have 5-days rest. I hope that'll be enough to recover self to DC tie with France". So he's still in the team but his participation is a very big question. Next is Andreev (he's instead of Safin). He got an injury during his Wimbledon's match against Roddick and this week he lost in first round to Lopez in 2 sets 5-7 3-6. Youzhny got a serious injury in April. But since that time he has had no good matches :rolleyes: . Now he's in second round in Båstad. And Gabashvili's ranking is somewhere is 200th. In case of no Davydenko 4th in russian tream will be Konstantin Kravchuk, who is in 3rd hundred of ATP players...
Don't you think that this story is like it was in first round France-Sweden?.. Then swedes got back their strongest players... But I don't think it's possible for Russia. Ruefully.

esther
07-07-2005, 03:36 AM
im so sorry about london getting the Olympics, Marine. Thats so true, the way they got it was so stupid and unfair!!!

delsa
07-07-2005, 06:23 AM
Merci for the news of French team, delsa. I'm verrry happy that everything's ok with the team (except Sebastien :rolleyes: but that's his problems :( ).

Now I'll try to observe the situation of russians. So at the moment the team (I can't write "our team"... what's mine team of these two?..) is next: Nikolay DAVYDENKO, Igor ANDREEV, Mikhail YOUZHNY, Teimuraz GABASHVILI. Let's look. The first number is Davydenko... He didn't finish his match against Bjorkman in second round of Wimbledon. Then he was going to have an operation but didn't have it. And on 5th of July in Gstaad he didn't finish again his match against Sargsian when he leads 6-1 1-0. After match Nicolay said: "I'm going to have a medical checkup so then it'll become clear how serious my injury is. So I'll have 5-days rest. I hope that'll be enough to recover self to DC tie with France". So he's still in the team but his participation is a very big question. Next is Andreev (he's instead of Safin). He got an injury during his Wimbledon's match against Roddick and this week he lost in first round to Lopez in 2 sets 5-7 3-6. Youzhny got a serious injury in April. But since that time he has had no good matches :rolleyes: . Now he's in second round in Båstad. And Gabashvili's ranking is somewhere is 200th. In case of no Davydenko 4th in russian tream will be Konstantin Kravchuk, who is in 3rd hundred of ATP players...
Don't you think that this story is like it was in first round France-Sweden?.. Then swedes got back their strongest players... But I don't think it's possible for Russia. Ruefully.
:eek: This whole thing is a total mess! Poor Russians... :sad:
I don't know why but i think Davydenko will be able to play... ;)

*julie*
07-07-2005, 08:43 AM
Another news (Will it be over one day? :rolleyes: ) this time concerning the french team
Gael Monfils has withdrawn from Bastad. No reason given.

L'équipe
06/07/2005
Tennis - ATP - Baastad : Monfils abandonne


Le Français Gaël Monfils a été contraint mercredi à l'abandon dans son match contre l'Espagnol Tommy Robredo (6-4, 4-2).

*julie*
07-07-2005, 09:21 AM
The whole interview of Guy Forget from fft.fr.

Forget : ''Une nouvelle équipe, jeune et ambitieuse''

En l’absence de Sébastien Grosjean, forfait, le capitaine tricolore a ouvert sa sélection au tout nouveau numéro 1 français, Richard Gasquet, qui fera à Moscou sa première apparition sous le maillot "bleu", et à Gaël Monfils.


A leurs côtés, figurent les habitués de l’équipe de France que sont Paul-Henri Mathieu – le héros de Strasbourg contre la Suède au premier tour –, Michaël Llodra et Arnaud Clément. Même si la tâche de ses joueurs s’annonce particulièrement délicate face à une formation russe probablement au complet, Guy Forget aborde ce quart de finale avec beaucoup d’envie et d’impatience. Persuadé du bon coup à jouer…

Guy, quels joueurs avez-vous sélectionnés ?
Par ordre de classement, j’ai retenu Richard Gasquet, Paul-Henri Mathieu, Michaël Llodra et Arnaud Clément. Et j’ai pris Gaël Monfils comme cinquième joueur.

Pouvez-vous expliquer les raisons de votre choix ?
La nouveauté, c’est bien sûr Richard Gasquet, qui s’est imposé de par ses résultats. Sa sélection est indiscutable. Pour les autres, cela va un peu dans la continuité. "Paulo" (Mathieu) nous avait quasiment qualifiés contre la Suède en réalisant un week-end parfait. "Mika" (Llodra) et Arnaud (Clément) avaient réalisé un super double à Strasbourg ; c’est une très bonne équipe et aujourd’hui, ils ont de bonnes chances de figurer à nouveau en double. Quant à Monfils, au même titre que Richard, il représente l’avenir et la jeunesse. C’est le futur qui se prépare. C’est bien aussi de s’appuyer sur quelqu’un comme lui. C’est une nouvelle équipe, jeune et ambitieuse. J’ai hâte de tous les retrouver.

"Un coup dur pour l'équipe de France"
Sébastien Grosjean a déclaré forfait pour ce quart de finale. Comment l’avez-vous appris ?
J’ai vu Sébastien après sa défaite contre Andy Roddick à Wimbledon. On a pris un petit-déjeuner ensemble et c’est là qu’il m’a annoncé qu’il déclarait forfait. C’est un coup dur pour l’équipe de France. Maintenant, tant pis, d’autres vont en profiter. Cela fait une place à prendre pour d’autres joueurs qui, je l’espère, vont se distinguer. Même si notre équipe va être un peu moins forte sur le papier, je crois que la victoire est toujours possible. Je suis concentré sur cette rencontre, j’y pense depuis qu’on a battu la Suède. J’essaie de ne pas trop me focaliser sur le forfait de Sébastien, même si effectivement c’est un coup dur.

Quelles raisons vous a-t-il données ?
Celles qu’il a dites dans la presse ! Il a envie de faire un break. Il est fatigué mentalement et il souhaite se retrouver en famille, en vacances. Quand un joueur tient ce genre de propos, c’est qu’il y a des choses plus importantes pour lui et qu’il n’est pas en état de jouer. Quelles que soient les raisons, qu’elles soient physiques ou psychologiques, cela ne change rien. J’ai quasiment toujours eu en équipe de France, en Coupe Davis comme en Fed Cup, des garçons et des filles qui étaient prêts à venir "en stop". Sébastien a toujours été un des plus fidèles lieutenants de l’équipe. Là, malheureusement, ce n’est pas le cas. J’espère que ce n’est qu’une péripétie.

"Je suis déçu de ne pas avoir Sébastien"

Vous a-t-il déçu ?
J’aime beaucoup Sébastien. Alors oui, je suis déçu parce que j’aurais aimé passer encore un peu de temps avec lui et l’aider, s’il avait joué, à faire un bon match. Je suis donc déçu de ne pas l’avoir, de ne pas pouvoir vivre cette aventure avec lui. Maintenant, il y aura peut-être d’autres rendez-vous. En attendant, je préfère penser aux autres, à ceux qui seront là et qui vont se défoncer.

Quelle a été la réaction des autres joueurs par rapport à ce forfait ?
Quand Sébastien me l’a annoncé, je lui ai dit d’appeler la presse pour s’exprimer là-dessus et surtout d’appeler ses copains, ce qu’il a fait dans la demi-heure qui a suivi. Je ne sais pas trop comment ils ont réagi. Et si certains sont un peu déçus, tant pis. C’est l’occasion pour eux d’avoir aussi l’opportunité de jouer. Ils n’ont qu’à en profiter.

"Des calendriers très chargés et des joueurs fatigués"

Amélie Mauresmo avait déclaré forfait pour la phase finale de la Fed Cup l’an passé. C’est maintenant au tour de Sébastien Grosjean en Coupe Davis. Ces épreuves ne semblent donc pas être la priorité des leaders du tennis français. Cela vous inquiète-t-il pour l’avenir ?
On a des calendriers très chargés et les joueurs sont fatigués. Il faut peut-être arriver à trouver un moyen d’alléger un peu la Coupe Davis et de trouver une formule plus attrayante en Fed Cup. Malgré tout, en tant qu’ancien joueur et en tant que sélectionneur, je pense que jouer en équipe de France doit prendre le pas sur tout le reste. Pour moi, il y a les quatre tournois du Grand Chelem et après il y a la Coupe Davis et la Fed Cup. Tout le reste, ce ne sont que des tournois de préparation pour gagner ces épreuves-là. Après, il y a les calendriers, l’argent, d’autres paramètres qui influent dans une carrière.

Imaginez-vous des joueurs de football refuser une sélection en équipe de France ?
Cela s’est vu. Eric Cantona avait dit, si mes souvenirs sont bons, qu’il n’irait pas en équipe de France. Nicolas Anelka, également, avait dit qu’il faudrait que Jacques Santini le supplie pour qu’il vienne en équipe de France ; une phrase un peu malheureuse. Mais je pense que dans les sports d’équipe, ce n’est pas envisageable. Celui qui fait ça se grille à tout jamais. Ce n’est pas comparable avec le tennis, c’est forcément un peu différent.

"Gasquet est l'un des deux meilleurs Français en simple"

Le forfait de Sébastien Grosjean réduit votre marge de manœuvre…
Il la réduit et il la simplifie en même temps ! Il a dit à la presse qu’il n’avait pas envie d’être là sans être bien. S’il doit venir sans avoir envie de travailler, ni de se bagarrer, je préfère qu’il aille en vacances. Je sais que ceux qui seront là vont être à 200 %. Ils ont les capacités physiques et techniques pour relever le défi et pourquoi pas gagner.

Cette rencontre va marquer les débuts de Richard Gasquet en Coupe Davis ? Qu’avez-vous pensé de son extraordinaire ascension ?
Elle ne m’a pas étonné. Disons qu’il a explosé d’un coup. Comme un bouchon de champagne ! C’est surprenant parce que c’est soudain. Mais ses progrès étaient une question de mois. A partir du moment où il allait être beaucoup plus structuré dans son jeu, mieux dans sa tête, il allait vraiment franchir un cap. Il en a déjà franchi un gros et aujourd’hui, c’est probablement le ou l’un des deux meilleurs joueurs français en simple.

''Richard a les qualités pour devenir un grand joueur de Coupe Davis.''

Le connaissez-vous bien personnellement ?
Pas intimement, mais oui assez bien.

Selon vous, a-t-il les qualités pour devenir un grand joueur de Coupe Davis ?
Oh oui, tout à fait !

Ne craignez-vous pas que la pression si particulière à la Coupe Davis soit trop difficile à gérer pour lui ?
Non, la pression, il la connaît. Il la côtoie quand il est à Roland-Garros ou à Wimbledon. C’est quelque chose qu’on doit gérer mais dans lequel on peut aussi progresser. Cela fait partie de son apprentissage. Et c’est sûrement mieux pour lui de débuter à l’étranger plutôt qu’en France.

"Je fonctionne sur des critères concrets"

Depuis combien de temps aviez-vous envie de le sélectionner ?
Je ne fonctionne pas par envie, par rapport à l’éventuel potentiel d’un joueur. Je fonctionne à travers des choix basés sur des critères concrets, comme les résultats, la forme du moment… Moi, ce qui m’intéresse, c’est l’efficacité d’un joueur, et pas son potentiel éventuel.

De son côté, Arnaud Clément vit une période un peu délicate en terme de confiance. Pensez-vous que la Coupe Davis puisse le relancer ?
Aujourd’hui, c’est sûr, il est loin derrière les autres en simple. Maintenant, en double, je sais qu’il est présent. Il a très bien joué, il est capable de se transcender sur une rencontre comme celle-là.

"Surpris de jouer en salle"

Durant un mois, les joueurs ont évolué sur gazon. Quelle est la bonne méthode pour se réadapter à la terre battue en un minimum de temps ?
Il faut y passer du temps ! On se retrouve d’ailleurs dès jeudi matin à Paris, en espérant que les Russes n’en fassent pas autant ! Il va falloir privilégier les frappes de fond du court, retrouver les glissades, les coups d’attente, les coups d’attaque et la transition de l’un à l’autre.

Le choix de la terre battue vous a-t-il surpris ?
Non. Ce qui m’a surpris, c’est que les Russes aient choisi de jouer en salle. Je pensais qu’ils allaient vouloir jouer plutôt dehors. Il peut faire 35° à cette époque à Moscou… Mais concernant la terre, ils ont Davydenko qui a bien joué à Roland-Garros et Safin qui joue très bien aussi sur cette surface. C’est plutôt le choix du gazon qui m’aurait surpris plus qu’autre chose !

"35% de chances"

Eprouvez-vous un sentiment de revanche par rapport à cette équipe russe, concernant la finale 2002 perdue à Bercy ?
Non. On a perdu à la régulière en 2002 et on a une occasion de les battre chez eux. C’est un beau challenge, c’est tout. On a déjà gagné face à eux, puis perdu. C’est la même chose en Fed Cup. En tout cas, on va vraiment là-bas avec une grande motivation, une grande détermination.

Vous allez quand même vous retrouver face à une grosse équipe russe… en principe.
En principe, oui !

La présence conjuguée de Safin et Davydenko change-t-elle votre approche de la rencontre ?
Non, ça ne change rien du tout. On s’attend à jouer l’équipe la plus forte possible.

Quelles sont les chances de l’équipe de France ?
Avec leur meilleure équipe, je dirais 35 %. Sinon, je ne sais pas. On y va pour battre Safin et Davydenko. D’ailleurs, on peut les battre à la régulière. On sait que la barre est placée très haut, mais c’est à nous de nous transcender pour la passer.

It's interesting that the french team starts to practice together whereas for the russians it's still a bit "messy":
Safin withdrew from the team.
Youzhny is still in Bastad where he beat Haenel and Vinciguerra (tight match 4/6 7/6 7/5)
Davydenko??? He withdrew from Gstaad.
Andreev was defeated by F. Lopez (not really a clay specialist) on the first round of Gstaad.
For these reasons I think it will be more than 35%.

Btw, it's good that Guy Forget doesn't pay attention to all the russian news and prepares his team to play a tough match.

delsa
07-07-2005, 10:00 AM
We should change the title of this thread to DC russia vs. france, no? :confused: Since it takes place in Moscow...


For these reasons I think it will be more than 35%.

Btw, it's good that Guy Forget doesn't pay attention to all the russian news and prepares his team to play a tough match.

Well, the last time the two teams met the Russian perparation was a bit "messier" than the French team's one but that didn't prevented them from winning the tie ;) So don't be so sure about it...

And as always, Forget don't pay attention to this kind of things (as he already did at that time, in 2002...when he was asked about it ...) and focuses on his boys... That's the best attitude to have in that situation... He prepares them to face the toughest Russian team.

I think the selection of Andreev instead of Safin could turn up to be a blessing in disguise for the Russian team because he'll be very motivated, wanting to proove he deserves his selection and after his recent first rounds defeats, even if he's not in top form he'll be better physically than Safin would have been, and he's a big threat on clay...Add to that the crowd behind him and you have a very dangerous opponent in him...

Don't underestimate Youzhny too... and the "DC effect" that can work on the Russians too (not only the French... ;) ) especially since they play at home, in front of their crowd...

I don't know what to think about Davydenko since he's injured but if he recovers he'll be the biggest threat...

And i don't know about the two other Russian players but that's what is scary... It's never good not to know anything about one player... That's where the biggest upsets can happen...And Teimuraz Gabashvili can play on clay it seems since he made it to the final of the Barcelona Challenger this year...

I didn't want to post the interview because now it just begs for a translation and i hadn't the courage to translate it but it's good you posted it... ;) I'll try to translate it and it will be easier now because many articles in English have some bits of it translated like this one from Sporting Life ;) :

FORGET HAILS GASQUET PROGRESS

France's Davis Cup captain Guy Forget has backed Richard Gasquet after calling him up for the first time for the quarter-final clash against Russia.

The 19-year-old was included in the four-man squad on Tuesday, while Arnaud Clement, Michael Llodra and Paul-Henri Mathieu are also set to feature in the Moscow tie from July 15-17.

Fellow French prodigy Gael Monfils will be the reserve for the second consecutive time.

Gasquet, who became French number one ahead of Sebastien Grosjean in June, is expected to play the singles alongside Mathieu, while Clement and Llodra will take care of the doubles.

The youngster reached the final of the claycourt Masters Series in April, following his victory over world number one Roger Federer.

He was later defeated in the final by soon-to-be French Open winner Rafael Nadal.

He also lost to Federer in the final of the Hamburg Masters Series in May before winning his first trophy at at Nottingham in June.

He reached the last 16 at Wimbledon before stumbling against Argentinian David Nalbandian.

Forget said: "Richard is the new element in our Davis Cup team.

"He imposed himself after his good results and his selection is undisputable.

"His extraordinary progression in the past few months did not surprise me. He exploded like the cork of a champagne bottle.

"He is probably the best or one of the best French players when it comes to singles," added Forget.

Grosjean meanwhile turned down the national team because of fatigue after his exploits at Wimbledon, where he reached the quarter-finals only to be beaten in five sets by eventual runner-up Andy Roddick of the USA.

"Sebastien is tired mentally and needs to be with his family," added Forget in L'Equipe.

"It means he is not in the right state to play and tennis is not the most important thing for him right now."

France, who defeated Sweden 3-2 earlier this year, could face an easier round than expected as Russian number one Marat Safin has pulled out of the clash with a knee injury.

Last time both teams met in a Davis Cup tie was in the final of the 2002 event in Paris' Bercy arena, where France had lost 3-2 in the fifth rubber.

delsa
07-07-2005, 05:10 PM
Please forgive me if there are some things that don't make sense... :bowdown:

Forget: "A new young and ambitious team."

Guy, which players did you select?
By order of their ranking, i retained Richard Gasquet, Paul-Henri Mathieu, Michaël Llodra and Arnaud Clément. And i choosed Gaël Monfils as the fifth player.

Can you explain the reasons of your choice?
The new element is of course Richard Gasquet who imposed himself after his good results. His selection is undisputable. For the others, it goes rather in the continuity. "Paulo" (Mathieu) almost qualified us on his own against Sweden achieving a perfect week-end. "Mika" (Llodra) and Arnaud (Clément) realised a wonderful doubles in Strasbourg; they're a very good team and today they have good chances of playing the doubles again. As for Gaël Monfils, like Richard he represents the future and the youth. It's in preparation of the future. It's also good to rely on someone like him. It's a new young and ambitious team. I can't wait to be with them all again.

"A big blow for the French team"

Sébastien Grosjean withdrew for this quarter final. How did you learn it?
I saw Sébastien after his defeat against Andy Roddick in Wimbledon. We had breakfast together and that's when he announced to me that he withdrew. It's a big blow fot the French team. Now, never mind, others will took advantage of it. It leaves a place to take for other players, who, i hope, will distinguish themselves. Even if our team will be a little less strong on paper now, i think victory is still possible for us. I'm focused on this encounter, i have been thinking about it since we beat Sweden. I try not to focus too much on Sébastien's withdrawal even if it is indeed a big blow for us.

What reasons did he put forward to you?
Those he spoke about in the press! He want to have a break. He is tired mentally and needs to be with his family, in holydays. When a player deliver that kind of speech, it means he is not in the right state to play and tennis is not the most important thing for him right now. Whatever the reasons, wether they're physical or mental doesn't change anything. I always had in the French team, wether in the Davis Cup or in the Fed cup, boys and girls who were ready to come by hitchhicking if it was needed. Seb always was one of our most faithful pilars in the team. Today, it is not the case, unluckily. I hope it's only a mishap.

"I'm disappointed not to have sébastien with us"

Did he disappoint you?
I like Sébastien a lot. So yes, i'm disappointed because i would have liked to spend more time with him and help him if he had played to do a good match. So i'm disappointed not to have him with us, not to be able to live this adventure with him. Now, there may be other opportunities to do that again with him. Meanwhile, i prefer to think about the others, those who will be there and who will surpass themselves.

What was the other players' reaction to this withdrawal?
When Sébastien announced it to me i told him to call the press to explain himself on it and above all to call his friends, which he did in the half hour immediately after. I don't really know how they reacted. And too bad if some are a little disappointed but it's the opportunity for them to play too. They just have to take advantage of it/seize it.

"Too full schedules and over-tired players"

Amélie Mauresmo withdrew before the finals of the Fed Cup last year. Now it's Sébastien Grosjean's turn in the Davis Cup. This competitions don't seem to be the priority of the French tennis leaders. Does it worry you for the future?
We have very full schedules so the players are tired. Maybe we should find a way to lighten up the Davis Cup and find a more attractive formula for the Fed Cup. Despite all this, i think that playing in the French team must stay more important than anything else for them. For me, there are the four Grand Slam tournaments, then just behind the Davis Cup and the Fed Cup. All the rest are only tournaments of preparation to win these six competitons. Then, we must of course bear in mind that there is the schedules, the money, and other parameters that can have an effect on career choices too.

"Gasquet is one of the best French players in singles"

The withdrawal of Sébastien Grosjean reduce your margin of choice...
Yes but it simplifies it all the same! He said to the press that he didn't want to come here without feeling well. If he was to come without wanting to work and to fight, i prefer him to be in holydays. I know that those who will be there will be at 200%. They have the physical and technical capabilities to take up the challenge and why not to win.

This tie will be Richard Gasquet's debuts in the Davis Cup. What did you thought about his extraordinary progression?
It did not surprise me. Let's say that he exploded like the cork of a champagne bottle. It's only surprising because it's sudden. But his progresses were to be made in a few of months. When he would have been more structured in his game, better in his head, it was bound that he would get over his old difficulties and reach a new level. He has already made a step forward today and he's now probably the best or one of the two best French players when it comes to singles.

"Richard has all it takes to become a great Davis Cup player."

Do you know him well personnaly?
Not intimately but yes pretty well.

Do you think he has what it takes to become a great Davis Cup player?
Yes! Absolutely!

Don't you fear that the pressure so particular to the Davis Cupd will be hard to handle for him?
No. He knows how to deal with the pressure. He has pressure at Roland-Garros, in Wimbledon...It's something that you must learn to deal with but also in wich/because of wich you can progress. It's a part of what he has to learn. And it's maybe better for him to make his debut abroad than in France.

"I base my choices on concrete, objective criteria"

Since when do you want to select him?
I don't base my decision on who i want to select or on a player's potential. I function with choices based on concrete criteria like a player's recent results, current form... What interest me is the efficiency of a player (to win and bring points) not his possible potential.

On the other side, Arnaud Clément lives through a difficult time in terms of his confidence. Do you think that the Davis Cup could boost him?
Today, he's for sure far behind in singles. Now, in the doubles, i know i can count on him. He already played really well the last time. He's capable of transcending himself (... :o ...) for an encounter like this one.

"Surprise to play indoor"

During one month, the players evolved on grass. What is the good method to readapt to the clay in a minimum of time?
You have to spend a lot of time! For that matter, we will gather together again as soon as Thursday morning to start training hoping that the Russians won't do the same thing! We will have to work in priority on (too many technical terms for me... :o ) les frappes de fond du court, retrouver les glissades, les coups d’attente, les coups d’attaque et la transition de l’un à l’autre.

Did the choice of clay made by the Russian team surprised you?
No. What surprised me was that the Russians choosed to play indoors. I thought that they'll prefer to play outside. It can be 35°C in Moscow at that time of the year. But, as for the clay, they have Davydenko who had a great run in Roland-Garros and Safin who enjoys this surface. I would be more surprised if they had chosen grass!

"35% of chances"

Do you have a feeling of revenge towards this Russian team because of the 2002 final lost in Bercy?
No. We lost regularly ( like fairly... :o ) in 2002 and we now have an opportunity to beat them at (their) home. It's a great challenge, that's all. We already won against them then we lost. It's the same thing in Fed Cup. Anyway, we really come there with a huge desire to do well, a lot of motivation and resolution.

In theory, you'll face a very tough Russian team...
In theory, yes!

Does the possible presence of both Safin and Davydenko change your approach of this encounter?
No. It doesn't change anything at all. We expect to play the tougher team possible anyway.

How do you estimates the French team's chances?
With their best team, i'd say 35%. If not, i don't know. We go there to try to beat Safin and Davydenko in our mind anyway. And we can beat them. We know the level is really high but it's up to us to surpass ourselves to reach it.

Marine
07-07-2005, 05:40 PM
I love the way Forget sees his sport. He's in love with sport in general, with tennis, he takes davis cup to heart. He's a great man and the players can be happy to have him as captain. :)

I remember his words he said to the crowd after the crual defeat in 2002, I was in tears...
"On nous parle souvent de recette magique, cette recette, c'est l'amitié entre nous tous. Si on arrive à garder ça, je vous garantis que l'on en gagnera d'autres et contre des équipes encore plus fortes..." :angel:

Via
07-07-2005, 11:26 PM
ohhh thanks so much for all the news, and the translations!!!! :worship:

yes this is a french musketeer forum, so in every instance, wherever the game is played, france comes first lol

the russians do sound like a hobbling team... but you don't know how serious the injuries are, some can recover quite quickly (like hewitt breaking two ribs, then back to play in a month? :rolleyes: )

for the french, though guy won't admit it, the biggest risk is actually their highest ranked dc debutant... richard. dc is a different game, and he is untested... it's hard to predict how he'll play. and guy hasn't worked with him before, has he?

delsa
07-08-2005, 01:14 PM
for the french, though guy won't admit it, the biggest risk is actually their highest ranked dc debutant... richard. dc is a different game, and he is untested... it's hard to predict how he'll play. and guy hasn't worked with him before, has he?
Do you think it will do like for Paulo in 2002? :unsure:
Thinking of it that way, it looks indeed very risky to push a debutant against the Russian team... and the one he's supposed to rely on because he'll be the other playing the singles apparently is no other than...Paulo himself... :tape:
If he wants advice, confort, experience etc...and everything i hope Arnaud will take care of it because Paulo... :rolleyes: He's the oldest player of the team anyway...

No, he hasn't worked with Guy before... Does it matter a lot?

*julie*
07-08-2005, 05:27 PM
All your comments make me nervous :scared: :scared: :scared:
But don't forget that it's only a quarter. It's not like in 2002 with all the pressure of the final on Paulo's shoulder. Even if they lose, it won't be that dramatic.
I am pretty convinced that Paulo can beat either Andreev, Davydenko or Youzhny (i know that the H2H record 3-0 is not in favour of Paulo against Youznhy but he can play so well on clay that i believe in him :worship: ) And it's a DC so with the support of Guy and the team he can do it.

I don't really know what will be the impact of the russian crowd over this encounter though. :rolleyes:
But what makes me nervous the most is Richard's physique. He has never won a 5 sets match. And we all know that DC matches can become real marathons. But we should trust him. He has such talents that he can make great things.
Btw, they have to do their best. With a good attitude and no mental breakdown of the french, it can be a great match.
Then it will depend on the Russian. ;)

delsa
07-09-2005, 10:23 AM
All your comments make me nervous :scared: :scared: :scared:
But don't forget that it's only a quarter. It's not like in 2002 with all the pressure of the final on Paulo's shoulder. Even if they lose, it won't be that dramatic.
True. That's why it's important that Richard make his debuts now. It's the perfect moment (abroad, only a QF etc...). After, it would have been too risky.

I don't really know what will be the impact of the russian crowd over this encounter though. :rolleyes:
Why do you say that? :confused:

But what makes me nervous the most is Richard's physique. He has never won a 5 sets match. And we all know that DC matches can become real marathons.
Yeah.That is the most concerning :scared:. Maybe he'll win the first 5 sets match of his carreer there and that will give him a lot of confidence... (...it's called positivism... ;) )

Ome
07-09-2005, 10:54 AM
Maybe he'll win the first 5 sets match of his carreer there and that will give him a lot of confidence... (...it's called positivism... ;) )

:yeah: Sooner or later he will have to win his 1st 5-set match... and why not this up coming weekend! :devil: ;)

*julie*
07-09-2005, 11:53 AM
Why do you say that? :confused:


Cos I've never seen any matches played in Russia with a very "living" crowd. In fact I have never seen any full crowded stadium for tennis there. :shrug:
But I may be wrong. :rolleyes:

Ome, your avatar is brilliant ;)

delsa
07-09-2005, 12:52 PM
Cos I've never seen any matches played in Russia with a very "living" crowd. In fact I have never seen any full crowded stadium for tennis there. :shrug:
But I may be wrong. :rolleyes:

It was depressing at the beginning of the final phase of the Fed Cup in Moscow last year but then it got better match after match and for the last deciding doubles match between Russia and France the atmosphere was ok and even great at times... ;)
I think they'll be passionate about the Davis Cup. And even if they weren't "lively" there will only be 120 French supporters from the ASEFT (too far, too expensive...) plus maybe some others who will have made the trip alone or who live there with them so we'll still hear and see more the Russian crowd than the little group of French supporters... :awww:

Ome
07-10-2005, 11:40 AM
Ome, your avatar is brilliant ;)

I spent quite sometimes doing it especially for Paulo...
He needs something extra against Russia ;) :banana:

Marine
07-10-2005, 12:26 PM
we'll still hear and see more the Russian crowd than the little group of French supporters... :awww:

Not sure at all.

delsa
07-10-2005, 01:14 PM
Not sure at all.
Well, maybe not if you're on site, in the Olympic Stadium but for us (i assume you don't make te trip...) in front of our tv if it's like the last time when the realisator behind the camera was Russian (not a critic just a fact...)...
I fear it will be that way (lots of Boris Yeltsin and 'Kafel', lots of Russian supporters, lots of Russian players, very few images of the French girls' disappointment etc..., remember? if you even followed the Fed cup final?)... So... :shrug: Let's wait and see... ;)

Hangdog
07-11-2005, 09:16 AM
According to some news (but non-official) from Russain sites yesterday, on July 10th, French team had to come to Moscow. And today, on July 11th, the capitain Schamil Tarpischev's going to decide "the Davydenko question".

delsa
07-11-2005, 11:07 AM
According to some news (but non-official) from Russain sites yesterday, on July 10th, French team had to come to Moscow. And today, on July 11th, the capitain Schamil Tarpischev's going to decide "the Davydenko question".
Thank you very much. :hug:
Do you think Davydenko will finally play? Is he ok? I don't know why but i think he will... Just a feeling... ;)
It will be a better match-up if he plays (and is close to being 100%... if not maybe he shouldn't...) because he's really a great player on clay...It would be more exciting to have him... ;)
Will Tarpischev decide alone?

Hangdog
07-11-2005, 06:21 PM
I can't answer to all your questions right now. Can tell next: one girl's been today on training of Russians. She's seen Davydenko and Andreev, who played together... So I guess Nicolay is in the team - you're right.

Hangdog
07-12-2005, 12:11 AM
Oki. Now I try to tell something more.

1. About Davydenko. Hmm... Russian is my mother tongue and the article is in Russian, but I didn't get the main idea of it: why he is going to play DC when he's still injured :rolleyes: . Selflessness? Then it's able to be really dangerous. So:

Davydenko Prepares Himself to Davis Cup

Dispite of injure of the wrist russian tennisplayer Nicolay Davydenko's going to play in Quaterfinal of DC tie against French team. The captain of Russian team Schamil Tarpishev told about that in exclusive interview to RIA "News" on Monday. According his words on Monday Davydenko had a midical checkup that said the injury of his hard is still not recovered. "During the checkup doctors had questions about the health of Davydenko, said Tarpishev. In principle, he tries to train and we'll help him".

So Tarpishev hopes for Nicolay.

2. About DC tactics. I've found some moments of Monday's Tarpishev's radio interview. His "secret plan" is to put Andreev to singels, doubles and everywhere... - to almost all the matches... And he also concentrates not on "how to win" but on "how don't lose".

3. About the "full crowded stadium" and russian supporters. Firstly about the stadium. Sport Complex (SC) "Olimpical" is not the best place (that opinion is of people who live in Moscow and visit all tennis matches) for to watch tennis because all the places except VIP's are too far from the court. Anyway it's very hospitable thing to choose clay for the court surface, isn't it? Although they were going to prepare some "special" clay... Ok, about people. Tennis is not the most popular sport in Russia, it's even not in top5 or... somewhere on 5th place maybe. So there's no special culture of support. That's a little bit difficult question why russians come to tennis but many of them come not for to "voice support" of the team. But when somebody begins to shout "Davai Rossia!" the crowd becomes more noisy... So the advantage of fans who comes from rival-country is that they're more ready for to support their team. For example, when I watched for about 5 minutes of Fed Cup - some days ago - I heard only "U-S-A! U-S-A!" and saw only USA's fans with the national attributes.

P.S. But what makes me nervous the most is Richard's physique. He has never won a 5 sets match.
I'd be more calm and sure in the victory even if France puts Arnaud for singles match. But Richard... :rolleyes: Anyway it'll be interesting to watch what he can do.

Marine
07-12-2005, 10:53 AM
ARRIVÉS à Moscou dimanche, en début de soirée, les Français ont découvert hier matin le stade olympique et les deux courts en terre battue aménagés pour une double occasion : la demi-finale de Fed Cup Russie -États-Unis du week-end dernier et le quart de finale de Coupe Davis à venir. Leur verdict est mitigé : s’ils jugent la vitesse du terrain « intermédiaire », tous relèvent également une quantité appréciable de faux rebonds. Si la matinée fut consacrée au simple (Gasquet-Mathieu d’un côté ; Clément-Llodra-Monfils de l’autre), l’après-midi fut plus particulièrement axé sur le double. Avec un roulement de partenaires, puisque Llodra débuta la séance aux côtés de Clément, avant de faire équipe avec Gasquet. « On a commencé à travailler le double un peu plus tôt que d’habitude, expliquait Guy Forget, le capitaine de l’équipe de France. On le bosse tous les jours depuis le début du stage. Je ne crois pas qu’il constituera un point plus décisif que lors des rencontres précédentes. Si chacun joue à son meilleur niveau, chaque match est “gagnable”. Mais je crois que l’apport de Richard (Gasquet) peut être intéressant. Avec lui, sur le papier, on a vraiment trois joueurs de double disponibles. »


Après une heure et demie d’entraînement, Clément et Llodra furent ainsi conviés par Patrice Hagelauer à tester leurs cuisses sur une série de volées basses jouées le nez dans la terre battue. Mais les grimaces furent rapidement remplacées par les éclats de rire nés des facéties fomentées par un Llodra déjà surexcité. Alors que Forget s’occupait, en solo, de Monfils, sur le court secondaire, « Mika » se lança en effet dans une course aux paris. Le premier ne dura que quelques secondes : sommé de toucher une cible dans le carré de service avec un maximum de trois balles, le Parisien frappa dans le mille dès la première ! Le tour du central à cloche-pied, promis en cas d’échec, attendra un autre jour.

Moral et physique au beau fixe (seul Mathieu souffrit quelque peu de la hanche en fin de semaine, « parce qu’il faut bien réhabituer son organisme à la terre battue, et notamment aux glissades », précisait Forget), les joueurs français retrouveront le stade olympique aujourd’hui pour deux nouvelles séances d’entraînement : la première, de 9 heures à 10 h 45 ; la seconde, de 14 heures à 16 h 30. Entre-temps, puis en fin d’après-midi, les Russes occuperont les lieux. Avec Nikolay Davydenko en figure de proue, puisque le demi-finaliste de Roland-Garros semble bel et bien apte à tenir sa place. Hier après-midi, sous l’œil de son « team » et de son frère Eduard, il colla même une rouste mémorable à son coéquipier Igor Andreev. Les douleurs ressenties depuis plusieurs semaines au poignet droit semblent appartenir à l’histoire ancienne.

Hangdog
07-12-2005, 04:15 PM
Merci beacoupt for this very interesting article Marine. :) Hmm... Can I also put here some articles in Russian? :lol:
Today it's been press conference. Nothing really new. Davydenko's still not ok with his hand but he's going to play the whole match on Friday. 20-years old Teimuraz is champion of Russia - 2004...
Both captains have said that they have their own tactics and some time to decide who will play in singles. Richard's very happy that he can play in team of his country, he likes the city and the stadium and think that he'll have really interesting and intense match. Paulo's said that he's not afraid of Youzhny and so has no psychological problems :) . About court Micka, who has been a little bit nervous (about the balls and surface) during the training, has said that frenchies're get used to great clay of RG and it won't be so easy for them to play on this russian strange clay. "But we have no choice, we need play". Arnaud... !!!! He's come to the press conference with "scalp lock" (why there's always no photos on russian sites?!... :( ) on his hairs :p And he's said that this his hair style means that the team is ready for battles - and the symbol of that is Gallic rooster. And Forget has said that Russia without Safin maybe is not a concrete favorite of this tie but really dangerous and strong team. And he's also addes then that he thinks, Grosjean regrets about his dicision :rolleyes: I imagine...
So tomorrow the players have training day. And the sortition of match is in 1pm om Thursday.
http://www.rtr-sport.ru/p/b_84180.jpg - the only photo I've found. But I'm going to watch sport news on TV and maybe I'll get some caps then if it'll be something interesting.

Some other news, non-official (but from people who's been in the press conference).
After the press conference finished all frenchies've gone out, but journalists've stopped him and asked a hundreds of questions. Poor Richi was so surprised.
And about our special Arnaud. After the words about his new hair style is symbol of rooster he added: "Really I like very much this feeling: when you put gel on your hairs and begin to create something on your head, even don't know what the final result will be". Somebody then told that frenchies were lost to the press conference not because of traffic jams but because of Arnaud whom they can't pull away from mirrow...
P.S. I also will be in Moscow since 14th July. But that doesn't mean that I'll be in DC. But despite of everything I'm going to.

delsa
07-12-2005, 04:51 PM
Thank you very much for your very detailed reports Hangdog! Awesome. It makes us feel as if we were there and we understand perfectly everything thanks to your explanations... :worship:
And thank you for the article, Marine (where is it from? ). ;)
Go have a look at www.daviscup.com (http://www.daviscup.com) too because they've just put audio interviews of Davydenko and Gasquet and there is a new article reporting what was said in the press conference and the different situations, preparations of the two teams etc...
PHM has a problem with his hips already? uhoh... :scared:
Arnaud does a bit too much... :rolleyes: (he's usually a real live wire but this time it's "narcissic" humour so it's not that funny... but it's just my humble personal opinion)
So Davydenko crushed Andreev in a training match...he's definitely feeling better and his wrist is not so much of a problem it seems... :cool:
So Mika Llodra is the joker of the band, hum...interesting... ;)
Davis cup radio is now on air too... So now you can hear the "la-di-da" voice that Guy forget takes when he speaks English...:lol:

Edit: Ok i put the article from daviscup.com:

Davydenko's wrist causing headaches for Russia (12 Jul 2005)

With three days to go before Russia and France play for a place in the Davis Cup by BNP Paribas semifinals, the health of Nikolay Davydenko's wrist is still causing concern among the Russian camp.

Already missing Marat Safin, who is taking four weeks off to let a knee inflammation heal, the Russians are heavily dependent on Davydenko, who was a semifinalist at Roland Garros and whose position of fifth in the ATP Champions Race testifies to the fact that he is having the best year of his career.

Davydenko withdrew from his second round match at Wimbledon against Jonas Björkman because of an inflammation in his left wrist. He rested the wrist before heading to Gstaad, where, after taking the first set 6-1 in his first round match against Sargis Sargsian, the problem flared up again.

"Nikolay will be ready to play on Friday," said Russia's captain Shamil Tarpischev, who, having celebrated Russia's Fed Cup semifinal triumph over the USA last weekend, is looking to become the first captain of any nation to steer his country to Fed Cup and Davis Cup success in the same year.

But the confidence from the players was less convincing. Mikhail Youzhny, who is expected to play second singles behind Davydenko or first ahead of Igor Andreev if Davydenko can't play, said: "I don't know who's going to be in the team. Marat has an injury, and we don't know about Nikolay's injury."

Davydenko himself said: "The doctors have said it needs a few more days of rehabilitation. I should be fit to play Friday, but we'll see."

Davydenko's problem presents a further headache for Tarpischev, who was at pains to stress that "Marat Safin is not out of the team, he has never refused to play for Russia, he is just injured".

But Safin played on all three days of Russia's first round win against Chile, and his absence inevitably prompted the question about who would represent Russia in the doubles. "Davydenko and Andreev have played together on the tour," said Tarpischev, "but it could also be Youzhny and anybody else."

If Russia's injury problems are adding to France's attractiveness with the bookmakers (some of whom are making France favourites to lift the Davis Cup in December), the French captain Guy Forget is taking no notice. The master tactician is still talking about Russia being the favourites, and talks about his own team as a "team of the future", with Richard Gasquet playing his first Davis Cup match on Friday, and Gaël Monfils brought along for the experience.

Even without Sebastien Grosjean, who is on holiday with his family to recover from an intense French Open and Wimbledon period, France look to have a strong team, with Gasquet and Paul-Henri Mathieu likely to play singles, and the doubles specialist Michael Llodra certain to team up on Saturday with Arnaud Clement, who is sporting a new severely cropped haircut in Moscow. "I like it because I like the feel of the hair grease on my hands," Clement joked at a news conference on Tuesday.

At that conference, Russia's journalists inevitably wanted to probe Mathieu about facing Youzhny, the man who came back from two sets down to beat the Davis Cup debutant Frenchman in the fifth and decisive rubber of the 2002 final. "It's no big deal," said Mathieu, "that was three years ago, and I've played Mikhail since then." Yes, but he has a 0-3 head-to-head against Youzhny, and their only meeting since the 2002 final ended in victory for Youzhny after Mathieu had again taken the opening set.

The speculation as to who will play will end on Thursday lunchtime when the draw is made. But Youzhny added a note of caution for those looking to pre-judge the tie: "I tell you," he said, "I think everybody from our team and everybody from the French team can beat everybody in this match."

Marine
07-12-2005, 06:06 PM
J'ai comme l'impression que t'aimes pas trop Arnaud, delsa...lol

Hangdog
07-12-2005, 06:11 PM
From the press conference:

Marine
07-12-2005, 06:23 PM
Thank you Irina :wavey:
I don't like Arnaud's hair, now I'm sure.

delsa
07-12-2005, 06:55 PM
J'ai comme l'impression que t'aimes pas trop Arnaud, delsa...lol
Mais si! ;) Seulement je trouve juste qu'il en fait un peut trop là c'est tout pour se faire remarquer et jouer les boute-en-train! Et c'est pas la première fois mais c'est pour ça qu'il est appréciable aussi, il est exubérant, spontané et dépasse légèrement les bornes parfois... C'est l'Arnaud habituel, quoi! rien à signaler! (c'est peut-être ça mon erreur: j'aurais pas dû noter le truc vu qu'il est tout le temps comme ça... ;) ) Il a l'air en pleine forme... :lol:

Thank you very much Irina! :yeah: Looking at the pics you posted, it seem that the Russian players aren't there. Were there separate press conferences for the two teams?
They've got dark shadow round their eyes... jet lag? (only two hours of difference but there's the long trip too...)

Marine
07-12-2005, 07:01 PM
Mais si! ;) Seulement je trouve juste qu'il en fait un peut trop là c'est tout pour se faire remarquer et jouer les boute-en-train! Et c'est pas la première fois mais c'est pour ça qu'il est appréciable aussi, il est exubérant, spontané et dépasse légèrement les bornes parfois... C'est l'Arnaud habituel, quoi! rien à signaler! (c'est peut-être ça mon erreur: j'aurais pas dû noter le truc vu qu'il est tout le temps comme ça... ;) ) Il a l'air en pleine forme... :lol:

Thank you very much Irina! :yeah: Looking at the pics you posted, it seem that the Russian players aren't there. Were there separate press conferences for the two teams?

Ah ok. Oui desfois c'est un peu lourd. Il doit rivaliser avec Llodra qui est vraiment plus atteint je pense ( cf: nu ds ls le vestiaire de Ljubicic...) et avec Monfils qui a l'air pas mal ds son genre.
Donc bref, pauvre Paulo et pauvre Richard, qui doivent être complètement dépassés par ces energumenes !! LOL

delsa
07-12-2005, 07:13 PM
Ah ok. Oui desfois c'est un peu lourd. Il doit rivaliser avec Llodra qui est vraiment plus atteint je pense ( cf: nu ds ls le vestiaire de Ljubicic...) et avec Monfils qui a l'air pas mal ds son genre.
Donc bref, pauvre Paulo et pauvre Richard, qui doivent être complètement dépassés par ces energumenes !! LOL

Llodra et Nono doivent s'en donner à coeur joie c'est sûr et martyriser les autres... :devil: :lol:
Seulement on dirait que Gaël fait vraiment profil bas... :confused: il ressemble à un bébé sur la photo qu'on peut voir de lui, il se fait vraiment tout petit...(mais bon en même temps c'était une conférence de presse, bref rien de très marrant...ceci explique peut-être cela...). J'espère que tout va bien pour lui...

Marine
07-12-2005, 07:22 PM
Yes, and Arnaud is really the specialist of press conferences ! Always talkative and at ease (I mean... interviews in french of course ;) ).

*julie*
07-12-2005, 10:03 PM
Thanks Hangdog and Delsa for the news and pics. ;)

I didn't really understand the bit about Arnaud :confused: What happened?
What means "scalp locks"? :shrug:

Via
07-12-2005, 10:48 PM
thank you!!! :worship: great reports and pics... interesting tie this one!

gallic rooster? :rolleyes: i hope he runs out of gel one morning :devil: lol

lizabeth..*
07-13-2005, 01:50 AM
"I like it because I like the feel of the hair grease on my hands," Clement joked at a news conference on Tuesday.

lmfao...ohhh dear

Richie looks so good in that DC jacket :yippee:
Hope Paulo's hip will be ok!

Marine
07-13-2005, 08:18 AM
L'Equipe, today:

Mathieu, Coupe à cœur


Depuis neuf mois, c’est en Coupe Davis que le Français a brillé avec le plus d’éclat. On l’attend à Moscou.

MOSCOU – de notre envoyé spécial

SAUF BLESSURE(S) ou tempête(s) sous les crânes, Guy Forget devrait aligner le week-end prochain Richard Gasquet et Paul-Henri Mathieu en simple, et la paire Llodra-Clément en double. Propulsé numéro 1 de l’équipe par les grâces du classement ATP (17e), Gasquet vivra pourtant à Moscou sa première rencontre de Coupe Davis. Rien n’indique a priori qu’il passera l’examen sans céder à une tremblote somme toute normale. Ce statut de novice renforce les responsabilités de son colocataire du simple. Malgré son jeune âge (23 ans) et une carrière hachée par les blessures, Mathieu bénéficie en revanche d’un vécu déjà solide dans l’épreuve. A fortiori depuis neuf mois et l’exploit réussi face à Carlos Moya, à Alicante, en demi-finale. Un exploit confirmé cette année, à Strasbourg, lors du premier tour contre les Suédois, où « PHM » sauva presque à lui seul l’équipe de France.

Confortée en creux par l’absence de Sébastien Grosjean, cette position de leader n’est pourtant pas revendiquée par l’intéressé. Une attitude qui tient simultanément à la philosophie collective prônée par Guy Forget et à l’absence de résultats individuels probants. Sur le circuit ATP, on peine souvent à reconnaître le héros d’Alicante et de Strasbourg. Ses meilleurs perfs (demi-finale à Metz, quart à Chennai, huitième de finale à Indian Wells) laissent un goût d’inachevé. « Aucun match de Coupe Davis ne m’a encore fait du bien pour ma carrière individuelle, souligne Mathieu. J’ai toujours eu du mal à confirmer dans la foulée. Je crois que ça vient du fait que la Coupe Davis me pompe énormément d’énergie. Je donne le maximum à chaque rencontre. Je pense que toute cette expérience finira par me servir sur le long terme. En tout cas, je l’espère… »

Outre une série de blessures (abdos, poignet, etc.), à même de décourager le plus indécrottable optimiste, cette inconstance doit aussi beaucoup à l’instabilité de ses relations professionnelles. Chaque coach semble inexorablement lui glisser entre les doigts… Séparé d’Olivier Soulès à la veille de Roland-Garros, Mathieu bénéficia un temps (mais un temps seulement, règlement de Coupe Davis oblige) des conseils de Patrice Hagelauer. Depuis, l’Alsacien était en stand-by. Une période (provisoirement ?) close depuis quelques jours, puisque Thierry Tulasne l’accompagnera cet été, dans le cadre d’un accord avec la Fédération. « On part ensemble jusqu’à l’US Open, précise PHM. Ensuite, on fera le bilan pour savoir si on continue, ou pas, notre collaboration. »

En attendant la tournée américaine sur ciment, Mathieu a retrouvé Moscou et la terre battue. Théâtre de son premier titre sur le circuit, en 2002, le Stade Olympique ne lui laisse que de bons souvenirs. « C’est très sympa de retrouver les couloirs, les vestiaires, et même l’hôtel, qui est le même que pour la Kremlin Cup, dit-il. Mais c’est également bizarre de voir ce court en terre battue et de devoir jouer en indoor en plein mois de juillet… »


Au vu de ses remarquables succès contre l’Espagne et la Suède, on pourrait croire que l’ocre fait automatiquement naître sur son visage un sourire béat. La terre n’est pourtant pas sa surface de prédilection. « Je vais peut-être surprendre pas mal de monde, mais je crois que la surface sur laquelle j’exprime le plus mon potentiel est le synthétique indoor, sourit-il. Sans doute à cause de l’importance du retour de service. J’ai grandi sur surface rapide. Quand j’étais jeune, je ne me posais pas de questions, je mettais des mines, à plat, des deux côtés. Je n’ai appris à lifter que bien plus tard, en Floride, chez Bollettieri. Là-bas, je me suis fait opérer du genou (ménisque interne), deux ans de suite. Pour ne pas perdre de temps, j’avais installé une chaise sur le court et je m’entraînais. Forcément, vu ma position assise, je ne pouvais plus frapper à plat. C’est comme ça que j’ai appris le lift, pour pouvoir frapper fort dans la balle… tout en la faisant passer au-dessus du filet. Aujourd’hui, je ne le regrette pas. »

Hier, lors d’un point presse organisé pour les journalistes russes, Mathieu ne fut mis à contribution qu’une seule fois. Inévitable, le sujet ne manqua pas de le faire sourire – un peu jaune. Il portait, évidemment, sur Mikhaïl Youzhny et la cruelle défaite que le Russe lui infligea lors du cinquième match décisif de la finale 2002, à Bercy. À ce souvenir, Mathieu oscille toujours entre ras-le-bol et autodéfense. « Je ne sais pas si je vais devoir l’affronter ici, glisse-t-il. Mais, si c’est le cas, je préparerai ce match comme un autre. Pour moi, c’est de l’histoire ancienne. Je n’ai pas la même perception de cette partie que la majorité des gens. D’accord, j’avais perdu, mais en donnant le meilleur de moi-même. Je n’étais pas passé à côté du match en prenant 6-2, 6-3, 6-2. J’avais donné mon maximum et j’étais passé à deux points de la victoire. Maintenant, si je pouvais le battre chez lui, en cinq sets, lors d’un match décisif, je ne cracherais pas dessus. Ce serait un scénario idéal. » On saura ce week-end si l’histoire raffole toujours autant des clins d’œil.


VINCENT COGNET

*julie*
07-13-2005, 08:50 AM
His injury is not mentionned :)
Thank you very much Marine ;)

delsa
07-13-2005, 03:17 PM
thank you!!! :worship: great reports and pics... interesting tie this one!

gallic rooster? :rolleyes: i hope he runs out of gel one morning :devil: lol
Me too... :devil: So now he have a "crest"?... hum
He mentions the "gallic rooster" as a justification... hum
He'd better not dare to show up like that to play the doubles ;)
Thank you for the article Marine! :yeah:
Good to read that Paulo is ok...Because he'll need to be 100%: the pressure is on him...He's got big responsabilities
It's already been posted by Truc and Skeiji in other threads but here's an audio interview of Forget and a new pic from the FFT site (http://www.fft.fr/cd2005/Russie-France/default.asp?page=3):

audio intw (http://www.articles.fft.fr/Audio.asp?ID=980)

pic:

http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/1769/forgetrichyinmoscow9py.png

(note: playing on clay so...the cap is back... ;) )

Via
07-13-2005, 10:40 PM
what is the significance of the gallic rooster anyway, why won't arnaud dare to wear that hair during a match? :scratch:

yes i agree that paulo will have quite a bit of pressure playing the singles, although richard is the higher ranked player. paulo is the more experienced guy and last time he carried the team too. he's come a long way hasn't he lol

Via
07-13-2005, 11:40 PM
did anyone hear that audio interview of richard on the dc site? his english is pretty cool these days! :yeah: great improvement as in his tennis!

*julie*
07-14-2005, 10:10 AM
I 've found this on fft.fr

"Je crois que Youzhny va jouer"
De Guy Forget à propos de la composition de l'équipe russe. Le n°1 de la Russie, Nikolay Davydenko, devrait être présent. Quant au n°2, Mikhail Youzhny semble tenir la corde. Le capitaine français racontait que le héros de la finale 2002 avait assisté à pratiquement tous les entraînements de Richard Gasquet.

So, Youznhy spies Richard :( He should practice instead :devil:

*julie*
07-14-2005, 10:41 AM
The program has been done:


14/07/2005
Tennis - Coupe Davis : Russie - France


Le numéro un français débutera les quarts de final contre la Russie. Richard Gasquet jouera contre Igor Andreev. Le deuxième match oppposera Davydenko à Mathieu.

Le programme des matches:

Vendredi
Igor Andreev - Richard Gasquet
Nikolay Davydenko - Paul-Henri Mathieu

Samedi:
Andreev/Mikhail Youzny - Arnaud Clément/Michael Llodra

Dimanche:
Davydenko - Gasquet
Andreev - Mathieu

So Davydenko will play the singles. No revenge against Youzhny for Paulo :shrug:
I don't know if Davydenko has totally recovered from his injury though.

esther
07-14-2005, 11:35 AM
"I like it because I like the feel of the hair grease on my hands," Clement joked at a news conference on Tuesday.



LOOOL *dies laughing*

esther
07-14-2005, 11:35 AM
paulo vs davydenko will be very interesting

delsa
07-14-2005, 01:41 PM
From Libération.fr. i'll try to translate it later... ;)

Coupe Davis: Richard Gasquet prêt pour le grand frisson

jeudi 14 juillet 2005 (Reuters - 15:16)
par Eric Salliot

MOSCOU - A 19 ans, Richard Gasquet s'apprête à plonger dans le grand bain de la Coupe Davis avec une légitime appréhension.

Le numéro un français a été désigné par le sort pour ouvrir vendredi le quart de finale Russie-France à Moscou, face au numéro deux russe Igor Andreev, 46e mondial.

Pour sa première sélection, l'Héraultais ne cache pas un stress qui va encore augmenter.

"C'est clair que c'est très particulier", a-t-il dit.

"J'ai déjà disputé une finale d'un Masters Series (NDLR : à Hambourg) mais cela n'aura rien à voir", poursuit le Français, qui est passé en quatre mois du 155e au 17e rang mondial.

"Je m'attends à quelque chose de dur. La Coupe Davis représente beaucoup pour les Français et pour moi en particulier. Je suis très fier d'être ici mais je le serai encore plus demain si je gagne".

La plupart des grands noms du tennis français ont eu un baptême du feu délicat avec cette épreuve.

Ainsi Yannick Noah a-t-il perdu son premier match en 1978 face à l'Anglais Buster Mottram. Sébastien Grosjean a également connu une immense déception en s'inclinant 9-7 au cinquième set face au Brésilien Gustavo Kuerten, en 2001 à Pau.

Quant à Henri Leconte et Paul-Henri Mathieu, ils ont eu la malchance d'effectuer leurs débuts lors d'une finale.

Leconte avait cédé le deuxième simple face à l'Américain Gene Mayer en 1982 à Grenoble alors que Paul-Henri Mathieu s'était incliné en cinq sets dans le cinquième match décisif face au Russe Mikhail Youzhny en 2002 à Bercy.

GRANDE CONFIANCE

Guy Forget a conscience de ces douloureuses statistiques mais semble accorder une grande confiance au nouveau leader du tennis français.

"Richard a des yeux émerveillés et je crois que c'est un rêve de gosse qui se réalise pour lui", a expliqué le capitaine français.

"En plus, il rentre par la grande porte, c'est le joueur français le mieux classé à l'ATP, il est numéro un de notre équipe.

"On sent qu'il a une envie d'aller jouer ces matches et c'est chouette à voir. Il ne faut pas qu'il se dise : 'Je n'ai pas le droit de perdre'.

"Il faut qu'il parvienne à oublier l'enjeu. Si Richard joue le tennis qu'on l'a vu jouer à Monte-Carlo, Hambourg ou Wimbledon, il peut battre les deux joueurs russes. Je l'aiderai à oublier l'aspect théâtral de cette rencontre".

Guy Forget a vraiment conscience d'avoir sous sa coupe un phénomène.

"S'il y a un garçon qui peut rentrer de manière concluante sur un match de Coupe Davis, c'est bien Richard", a-t-il assuré.

"Il fallait bien le lancer un jour ou l'autre. Sa sélection est indiscutable à tous points de vue. Ce qui me rassure, c'est que c'est le joueur techniquement et tactiquement le plus abouti qu'on n'ait jamais eu en Coupe Davis à son âge sur les trente dernières années".

Un compliment qui n'empêchera pas un stress énorme, comme le confirme Michaël Llodra.

"Il aura cette petite boule au ventre en débutant son premier match", a-t-il dit.

"Mais c'est bien de vivre des émotions comme ça.
A Pau, en 2002, face aux Tchèques, je sens les jambes qui flageolent. Mais c'est aussi pour cela qu'on joue au tennis".

And Happy Bastille Day to all the French on this forum! :wavey: :D

Hangdog
07-14-2005, 05:19 PM
Hey from Moscow! =)

That's my first day there, the weather is so hot!.. Poor people who live there... But they said tomorrow it's raining and some storm maybe.

Yeah, I also congratulate al frenchies with Bastille Day. I've heard French players've told a lot today about that fest.. :D

And, by the way, I've bought today tickets to DC matches, so I'll be there! But I'm not sure that my places is good enough to support French team :rolleyes: although close to court. Will see.

Alllllllllez les gaaaaars! (I'm training myself =).

And I've checked the news and found some great pictures. Enjoy!
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/8647/024jy.jpg
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http://tennisclub.wtatour.ru/DavisCup/Photos/1/185.jpg
http://tennisclub.wtatour.ru/DavisCup/Photos/1/191.jpg
http://tennisclub.wtatour.ru/DavisCup/Photos/1/192.jpg
http://tennisclub.wtatour.ru/DavisCup/Photos/1/197.jpg
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http://tennisclub.wtatour.ru/DavisCup/Photos/1/211.jpg http://tennisclub.wtatour.ru/DavisCup/Photos/1/215.jpg

delsa
07-14-2005, 05:33 PM
Thank you Irina! Have a nice time in Moscow! Support the Russian team too! ;)
First attempt of a translation of Guy Forget's interview from fft.fr (i hope you will make corrections if it's needed...i'm sure it's needed so... :) ):

Forget: « Forget what's at stake and give our best. »

Logically, Guy Forget choose Richard Gasquet and Paul-Henri Mathieu in the singles with Arnaud Clément and Michaël Llodra in the doubles to play this quarterfinal. Objective: to take revenge from the 2002 defeat in the Bercy final. (< :rolleyes: )

In what state of mind is this French group seriously rejuvenated with new blood?
Everything goes very, very well. The atmosphere within the team is very good. To have young players who arrive among us with big amazed eyes in front of everything, is a breath of fresh air for us all especially for the oldest more experienced players, and even for the staff. For them - and I think at first of Richard, here- it is just a little kid's dream which comes true. Moreover, he enters the Davis Cup in the limelight. He is the higher-ranked French player today, he's our team number one and we feel that he can't wait to go and play these matches. And it is great to see. The group is very united, the team is young and ambitious and I hope that during the matches, they are going to show the same face as in the trainings and in the previous encounter in Strasbourg.

" On a playing field, you can always lose "

Richard Gasquet told us he felt a little apprehension before his first Davis Cup match, which is very normal. How to put him in the best frame of mind before and during this encounter?
The opposite would be concerning (if he wasn't a bit nervous). I will simply have to tell him that he just has above all to play a good match.The big force of Richard is that he is a very complete player physically, technically and even mentally. He made a lot of progress in this domain in the last eight, ten months. He should not say to himself: " I have no right to lose ". In sport, when you enter on a playing field, in general, you can always lose. On the other hand, what is needed, is to manage to forget the stake and to manage to give your best. And if Richard plays the tennis which we saw him play in Wimbledon, in Monte Carlo or in Hamburg, or even in Roland-Garros, I believe that he can beat the two best Russian players in singles. My role, is going to be to help him on the court to forget a little about the stake, the kind of theatrical aspect of the encounter in order to focus only on himself and his opponent. An opponent - I think- that he can beat.

Looking at the statistics, we notice that a first selection in the Davis Cup, is often an unsuccessful and tough experience. You know/experienced it…
Yes, it's true. Now, if there is a boy (in French tennis) today who can enter in a conquering manner (??? in a successful manner...) for his first Davis Cup match, it is definitely Richard. Anyway, we had to "launch" him one day. His selection is indisputable in any points of view. But what reassures me, is that he is probably the young player who technically and tactically is the the most accomplished that we ever had to debute in the Davis Cup for us at this age over the last thirty years. Statistics are not always respected and I think that he can show very nice things here in Moscow.

" Richard has all the weapons to counter wetherYouzhny or Andreev "

What do you think of the conditions of play: to have to play on clay indoors in the middle of July? Were you surprised?
I would prefer playing in the Southwest of France or in the Southeast, as in Aix-en-Provence in the sun (allusion to the France vs. Spain Fed Cup semifinal a few days before that where his friend Georges Goven captained the French team...). And then between matches to go sunbathing one hour with a book next to a swimming pool! But unfortunately it is not case. We are in Moscow indoors. On the other hand, the stadium is splendid as is the city. I hope that there will have big crowds. It is a great encounter facing adversaries who are superb players. We are so happy to be in this quarterfinal. I hope that we are going to experience big moments of Davis Cup as we know them. This will make us forget a little bit the summer vacation time in France...

You have marvellous memories in this stadium.
Good and less good too. Because even if we already won here ( editor's note: Fed Cup in 2003), we also lost. We are going to try to take our revenge for the defeat in Bercy in 2002.

Igor Andreev was chosen as the number two Russian player. Is it a surprise for you?
Yes and no. Coming here, we didn't know who we were going to have to confront as a second player. In terms of level of play, it is more or less identical, knowing that Youzhny and Andreev play completely different tennis though. Richard thought that he would play against Youzhny because he had attended all his trainings. Installed in the lodge, he watched him play permanently. Eventually it is Andreev. What is interesting, is to note that Richard has all the weapons to counter wether Andreev or Youzhny. He is able to change his game in the course of the match. If plan A does not work, he switch to plan B. And if plan B does not work, he can have a plan C. It is rare today to have a player able of changing so easily his style of play in the course of a match in order to face up problems set by an adversary. And he can do that.

delsa
07-14-2005, 06:43 PM
Atempt of a translation of the Arnaud Clément interview from fft.fr (there again please feel free to correct the mistakes...):

Clément: « I feel very confident. »
Oldest member of the French team at 27, Arnaud Clément talks about his joy to be part of the team and about the first selection of Richard Gasquet.

Arnaud, you are, as in Strasbourg in the first round, the veteran of the team…
Roles change, the young players arrive. It is good for French tennis. We have young guys who play very well, with Richard (Gasquet), Gaël (Monfils) and "Paulo" (Mathieu) who is constant, a sure value in Davis Cup today for us. Anyway, I am always very, very happy to be part of the French team. I hope that it will last as longer as possible, and that i will return perhaps one day in the singles. I am very happy to be there, i feel very confident about this encounter. Everybody plays well and we are all waiting impatiently for the matches to begin.

" The Russians are tremendously wary of Richard and they are right to be! "

In the doubles, you live a nice love story with Michaël Llodra! (< :lol: )
We get on very well together. When he doesn't play with Fabrice Santoro, we try to play together on the circuit. We begin to have played quite a lot of matches together. We get on well on the court, but especially very, very well off-court. What is great, is to share this also in the Davis Cup.

This quarterfinal is marked by the debuts of Richard Gasquet. A first selection is inevitably a particular occasion. What can you say about it?
That's true that it is particular. We are going to see how he is going to manage. Anyway, I am very, very confident. All that he made these last weeks, these last months is definitely going to be of great use for him. Today, I think that the Russian players are tremendously wary of him and they are right to be.

"In apnea during one and a half set "

Do you remember your first selection in the Davis Cup ?
I remember that Guillaume Raoux said to me: " Think especially of breathing well, blowing well ". This small advice was very simple, something of what we don't think necessarely at first. I completely understood why he told me that , once on the court. I did not breathe! I almost played in apnea during one and a half set! It was not easy. But then, I succeeded in relaxing. It is an absolutely different atmosphere and it is necessary to get used to it, to adapt. I think that Richard, who is a rather cool guy, will make it very easily.

Is playing the Davis Cup really so much of a different emotion?
It has got nothing to do with playing on the circuit, it is incomparable. Sometimes they ask us what we would prefer, what is the biggest moment, if it is this or that Davis Cup match or this moment in our individual career. We can't compare. They are so different things, bringing so different emotions! We're talking about an individual sport in one case and about a team sport in the other. It is something else, it is almost another sport.

When there is a good atmosphere in the group, it must, on top of that, help the players to transcend themselves?
Yes, it is one of our strenghts. We get on very well, we are happy to train together, to gather together again before each Davis Cup tie. It is what makes everything goes well. Therefore we are led to make the best possible preparation, in the best possible conditions, and then, inevitably, to give our best during matches.

;)

Tennis_Mad
07-14-2005, 06:59 PM
As I said on the Aussies v Argentina one...good luck to both teams and I hope the matches are very enjoyable.

delsa
07-14-2005, 08:00 PM
Great post Tennis_Mad!
Here's a "translation" of the Libération.fr article just for you to understand roughly what it says ;) :

Davis Cup: Gasquet ready for the "big shudder"
Thursday, July 14th, 2005 (Reuters - 15:16)
by Eric Salliot

MOSCOW - At the age of 19, Richard Gasquet gets ready to dive into the deep end of the Davis Cup with a legitimate apprehension.

The French number one was indicated by fate to open on Friday the Russia-France quarterfinal in Moscow, facing the Russian number two Igor Andreev, ranked 46th .

For his first selection, the "Héraultais" does not hide a stress which is going to increase as the hour of the match draws nearer.

" It is clear that it is very particular ", he said.

" I have already played a final in a Masters Series (editor's note: in Hamburg) but it will have got nothing to do with it", said the Frenchman, who has gone up in four months from the 155th to the 17th spot in the rankings.

"I expect something tough to deal with. The Davis Cup represents something very big for all the players and a lot for me in particular. I am very proud to be here but I will be even more tomorrow if I win. "

Most of the big names of French tennis had a delicate "baptism of fire" (French expression...Is there a direct translation of it in English?) with this test.

So Yannick Noah lost his first match in 1978 faced with the Englishman Buster Mottram. Sébastien Grosjean also knew a huge disappointment by bowing 9-7 in the fifth set against the Brazilian Gustavo Kuerten, in 2001 in Pau.

As for Henry Leconte and Paul-Henri Mathieu, they had the bad luck to make their debuts during a final.

Leconte had given up the second singles against the American Gene Mayer in 1982 in Grenoble while Paul-Henri Mathieu had bowed in five sets in the fifth decisive match against the Russian Mikhail Youzhny in 2002 in Bercy.

BIG TRUST

Guy Forget is aware of this painful statistics but seems to trust the new leader of French tennis a lot.

" Richard has these amazed eyes and I think that it is a childhood dream which comes true for him ", the French captain explained .

" On top of that, he enters this competition by the big door: he is the higher-ranked French player in the ATP rankings, he is the number one of our team."

" We have a feeling that he really wants to go to play these matches and it is great to see. It is not necessary that he says to himself: ' I do not have the right to lose '."

" It is necessary that he manages to forget what's at stake. If Richard plays the tennis which we saw him playing in Monte Carlo, Hamburg or Wimbledon, he can beat the two Russian players he'll face. I will be there to help him to disregard the kind of theatrical aspect there is to this encounter"

Guy Forget is really conscious to have under his cup a little phenomenon.

" If there is a boy who can enter in a succesful way on his first Davis Cup match, it is definitely Richard ", he assured

" It was necessary to launch him one day anyway. His selection is indisputable in any points of view. What reassures me, is that he is the most accomplished player of his age technically and tactically that we ever had to debute in the Davis Cup for us over the last thirty years."

" He will have this small ball of nerves in the stomach at the beginning of his first match as i did", he said. (French expression again...but you get what he mean, don't you?)

" But it is great to go through feelings like that.
In Pau, in 2002, against the Czechs, I felt my legs sagging at the knees. But it is as well for this kind of emotions that we play tennis ". said Llodra his team partner.

delsa
07-15-2005, 12:35 AM
Article from Sporting Life which makes me see how it's done by pros. That's good translation... not the crap i do...But i go faster... :p

FORGET HAPPY WITH GASQUET
Gasquet - able to handle pressure
France captain Guy Forget is confident Richard Gasquet will cope with the pressure when he makes his Davis Cup debut in the quarter-final tie with Russia this weekend.

The 19-year-old, who became French number one in June, will play the first rubber against Igor Andreev on Friday afternoon.

Gasquet will be followed by Paul-Henri Mathieu against Nikolay Davydenko while Arnaud Clement and Mickael Llodra will take on Andreev and Mikhail Youzhny in the doubles on Saturday.

"Everything is going fine, the atmosphere within the team is excellent," Forget told www.fft.fr.

"It's great to see young and fresh players coming into the team. For Richard this is like a kid's dream coming true.

"And he will make his debut in the limelight as he is the best-ranked Frenchman in the ATP rankings and he is the French number one.

"We feel he is very motivated to go out there and play his match. It's great to see that.

"The team is united, young and ambitious and I am confident they will play as well as they did during training this week.

"The most important thing is to forget about the stakes and give our best."

The last time France met Russia in the Davis Cup was in the final of the 2002 event at Paris' Bercy Arena where the Russians claimed a dramatic 3-2 victory.

Despite leading two sets to love and breaking his opponent in the third in the final rubber, Mathieu's game fell apart and he eventually lost 3-6 2-6 6-3 7-5 6-4 to Youzhny.

Mathieu insisted on Wednesday that he has recovered from that shattering disappointment.

"For me that defeat belongs to the past, I don't have the same perception as most people," he said.

"Of course I lost but after giving my best. It's not as if I had lost 6-2 6-3 6-2.

"I had given my maximum and I was very close to winning."

delsa
07-15-2005, 08:12 AM
Based on the L'Equipe article that Marine posted.

MATHIEU TARGETS YOUZHNY WIN
Mathieu - seeking revenge

Frenchman Paul-Henri Mathieu is eager to take revenge on Russia's Mikhail Youzhny in this weekend's Davis Cup quarter-final clash in Moscow.

The last time the pair clashed in the Davis Cup was in the deciding rubber of the 2002 final when France lost to Russia on home soil.

Despite leading two sets to love and breaking his opponent in the third, Mathieu's game fell apart and he eventually lost 3-6 2-6 6-3 7-5 6-4.

"I don't know if I will have to face him (Youzhny) but if this is the case I will prepare for that match like any other," Mathieu told L'Equipe.

"For me that defeat belongs to the past, I don't have the same perception as most people.

"Of course I lost but after giving my best. It's not as if I had lost 6-2 6-3 6-2.

"I had given my maximum and I was very close to winning.

"Now if I could beat him on his home ground, in a five-setter in the final match, then it would definitely suit me.

"It would actually be an ideal scenario for me."

Via
07-15-2005, 09:50 AM
great pics, great reports, great translations, great everything..... :worship:

trouble is i don't have much time these few days... i'll definitely catch up with the thread later... (not before it all finishes i hope)

hangdog (you're irina?) have a fantastic time!!! glad you've changed your mind and go :yeah:

Hangdog
07-15-2005, 08:25 PM
Can't post pictures right now because no time and unusual notebook I use...
Well, the day was just perfect! Maybe 2 first Paulo's sets were not very interesting. I'll try to tell the story with all the details tomorrow. No some facts only: I talked in French and English yesterday more than Russian (that's a nice story why I did it); I met and talked to many French fans; out of court I met Youzhny, Davydenko, Tarpishev, our previous president Yeltsin, Forget and all the French players; talked to Arnaud, he recognised me and asked for some quetions... I was sssssso surprised and can't tell him something clever... He's in a good form and absolutely ready for his match (from his words)... his haircut in real looks little bit different than on TV or pictures...

Alllllllllllleeeeeeeeeeeeezzz les gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrs! (rrrrrrrrr - I prepare myself for the next day =)

Via
07-15-2005, 10:20 PM
of course you all know this... but just for the record...

R1 - R.GASQUET (FRA) def. I.ANDREEV (RUS)
6-4 6-3 7-6(1)

R2 - N.DAVYDENKO (RUS) def. P.MATHIEU (FRA)
7-5 6-2 7-5

hangdog....... you lucky lucky girl!!!!!!!!! even got to talk with the rooster!!!!!!!!!!!!! :p (you must be doing well speaking in french)

i'm looking forward for more :)

Via
07-15-2005, 10:46 PM
btw :hatoff: to richard .... good job, great debut!

delsa
07-16-2005, 07:00 PM
Here's a "translation" (something for you to roughly get what it talks about...) of one of this morning's L'equipe articles about yesterday's DC matches. there are about a dozen more articles and interviews that i'd like to "translate" but maybe i will not be able to...
And there are so manythings that i've seen on French tv that i'd like to report about (like little anectdotes about a Boris yeltsin interview by the French tv etc...) and i can't wait for Hangdog's reports too since she's "on site" able to see everything live and talk with players etc...

Anyway, here's my report: After the match, Guy Forget was interviewed by French TV, and told than from inside, from the captain's chair, Richard’s match had been an epic match emotionally. At the beginning of the third set when everything was going fine and it seemed that Gasquet was dealing well with his emotions, he begun to had cramps of stress because of his nervosity and repeated several times to Forget that he “couldn’t play anymore”. To which Forget responded: “Come on! Don’t tell me this, you stupid! You’re going to win! Shut up!” And at each timeout Gasquet repeated “I can’t! I can’t play anymore!” so in the end Forget told him to do his best until a tie-break and then they would see...They were all fearing the worst in the French camp but he adapted his game to shorten the points because he had a beginning of cramps in his right hand and arm and on his right thigh... So he rushed to the net, varied a lot his game, changed his game plan and it worked; then he gave all he had left in the tie-break and he managed to win (with the final cramp in the thigh ) but it could have turned up to be a nightmare...
He almost gave up at some point... He won’t be able to do this against Davydenko...:scared:
But i'm reassured because he said that this first victory had relaxed him and that it won't happen again. tHe added that the French team, staff, Guy who "violently" "shaked" him and refused to hear his stupid complaints (his own words so he know it was stupid of him...), with the French supporters too helped him a lot and that had it be a normal match on the tour he would have lost despite having won the two first sets but in these conditions he pulled this off and that now he's understood something more again and that he really thinks this experience will be of great use to him in the future and that it won't happen again. He even said that he can't wait to play again on Sunday... ;) (Wow! i will have to translate all that... :eek: )
And Eric Deblicker, his coach, said that he is used to it with Richard and that one musn't listen to him when he's like that, that it's just a mental thing, and that you must tell him to shut up! So he thinks Guy Forget reacted perfecly! :lol:


Hope is allowed

Thanks to the successful debut of Richard Gasquet, France share the points with Russia before the doubles.

Impressive during two sets, before suffering from cramps of stress at the moment of finishing it off, Richard Gasquet won against Igor Andreev an important victory for the team and for himself (6-4, 6-3, 7-6). On the other hand, two wasted first set points precipitated Mathieu into defeat against Nikolay Davydenko.

Moscow – Nothing equals the Davis Cup in terms of putting characters and nerves to the test. Despite an atmosphere which sounded hollow in a too big and too empty Stadium, the new look French team went through emotional storms specific to these kind of big matches. To celebrate his all new promotion as a team leader, Richard Gasquet had to overcome both his fear and the pain of the cramps it brought about at the moment of concluding a first singles which was, before that, perfectly under control. On the contrary, Paul-Henri Mathieu, after a relatively impressive beginning, ended up ravaged by a defeat at the end of what is, to this day, his worst Davis Cup match.

This equal score, at the end of the first day, leaves the French in an interesting position, but not of domination. Stronger on paper than his Russian opponent, the Clément-Llodra doubles has the means to give the team the advantage. But it will have to be wary of the atypical style of the Russian doubles no matter its composition: Davydenko, Andreev or Youzhny are used to play a lot more from the baseline and to rely more on their returns and passing-shots than on their volleys.

Last year, in Alicante, the Spanish pair: Nadal and Robredo, adept of the same strategy, had left the Frenchmen with very bad memories of their encounter. Richard Gasquet, on the contrary, will certainly remember for all his life of this July 15th 2005, as a very important date of his career. Propelled, at 19, number one of a team in which he had not even been a reserve player yet, he gave yesterday not only an other proof of his talent, but he also showed for the first time a new quality: the capability of overcoming his enormous stress and to do violence to his pain.

Often suspected moral frailty against difficulty or pain, guilty of repeated retirements when he was a junior as soon as the first “alerts” appeared, Gasquet, for one of the first times in his career, managed to ignore his pain, forget it to go beyond what he thought were his limits. This discovery is priceless. In Igor Andreev, he had an adversary faithful to his reputation; At just 22 (since July 14th), he is one of these athletes that the Soviet “sportsmen making machine” know how to produce so well. He is also a hard-hitting baseliner as they are produced in the formation system in Spain where he perfects his game since 7 years. He hits with a lot of spin and opens himself the court with cross-court shots. If you accept to play his game, the end is inescapable.

During two and a half sets, despite a lost first serve that he passed only on a one over 3 times basis at the beginning of the second set, Richard Gasquet was like a Mohammed Ali on the court (pfff...:rolleyes: ). Able to neutralize the power of his opponents shots, with long disturbing returns without power or sudden accelerations, or with a lot of accurate dropshots: in short, he varied his game. By doing this, he made the Russian get out of his rhythm and a bit out of his apparent calm of the beginning, and got many free points out of him along the way. We were enjoying this spectacle when suddenly, on a although winner smash at 6-4, 6-3, 1-1 0-30 on Andreev’s serve, we saw him drop his racquet before suspending the match to have a massage on his right hand and arm. The stress, underlying since the beginning of the week, was getting the better of him and his apparent calm: cramps were overcoming his arm.

Despite managing to get the break when play resumed because of a few mistakes from Andreev, another match begun, a very anxious one. Shacked by Guy forget when he felt he was gained by powerlessness, Gasquet changed his game plan, shortened the points, hit his forehand “coupé” (don’t know how to translate this...), went to the net after his returns. In short, he used all he had at his disposal in the shots he has in his bag and delayed the return (break) of the Russian in the game until 4-4. But, once Andreev was back in the game, a catastrophic scenario was taking shape; becoming even more probable since the appearance of other cramps in Gasquet’s thigh at 5-5.

But, conserving his strenghts, supported by all the very anxious French team, the “teenager” made it to the tie-break. There, two or three shots of genius, two or three errors from Andreev and a little help from the net gave him 5 match points at 6 games to 1. A last dropshot provoked a last error from the Russian. Gasquet falled in; paralysed by the cramp he had in the thigh, he needed the help of Forget to go back to his chair; the pain made the victory even more satisfying;

The defeat of Paul-Henri Mathieu is tougher to handle mentally. Beaten two times against Russia in the 2002 final, he still gave his best then. On a serie of three consecutive victories in the Davis Cup against Moya and the Johansson brothers, he approached this encounter with the legitimate hope of surprising the 7th ranked and Roland-Garros semi-finalist, Nikolay Davydenko, announced to have problems with his wrist;

He was not so far from it, maybe, because nobody could say how the Russian would have reacted to the loss of the first set in which Mathieu obtained 7 break points in vain. , including two set points at 5-4, 15-40. Hitting, until this point, harder than Davydenko, he bothered him; but, exasperated by these repeated failures (in converting any break points), maybe haunted by the memories of other similar recent lost chances, like the two match points he had against Guillermo Cañas in Roland-Garros, he sunk into a hole and lost 7 games to find himself lead 7-5, 4-0. The fall was to brutal for him to put himself together after that. He still found back a little energy to save 5 match points, come back from 5-2 to 5-5 in the third set. But three other errors cost him his serve, one more time again, one of too many times. Davydenko concluded at his sixth match point; despite the denials of the Russian number one, we feel that he could partner Igor Andreev in today’s doubles. (they were wrong...)

;)

silverwhite
07-16-2005, 07:17 PM
Richard :haha: Tais-toi! :lol:

silverwhite
07-16-2005, 07:19 PM
Anyway, Reports: After the match, Guy Forget was interviewed by French TV, and told than from inside, from the captain's chair Richard’s match had been an epic match emotionally. At the beginning of the third set when everything was going fine and it seems that Gasquet was dealing well with his emotions, he begun to had cramps of stress because of his nervosity and repeated several times to Forget that he “couldn’t play anymore”. To which Forget responded: “Come on! Don’t tell me this, you stupid! You’re going to win! Shut up!” And at each timeout Gasquet repeated “I can’t! I can’t play anymore!” so in the end Forget told him to do his best until a tie-break and then they would see...they were all fearing the worst in the French camp but he adapted his game to shorten the points because he had a beginning of cramps in his right hand and arm and on his right thigh... So he rushed to the net, varied a lot his game, changed his game plan and it worked; then he gave all he had left in the tie-break and he managed to win but it could have turned up to be a nightmare...
He almost gave up at some point... He won’t be able to do this against Davydenko...
But i'm reassured because he said that this first victory had relaxed him and that it won't happen again, that the French team, staff, Guy who "violently" "shaked" him and refused to hear his stupid complaints, with the French supporters too helped him a lot and that had it be a normal match on the tour he would have lost despite having won the two first sets but in these conditions he pulled this off and that now he's understood something more again and that he really thinks this experience will be of great use to him in the future and that it won't happen again. He even said that he can't wait to play again on Sunday... (Wow! i will have to translate all that... )
And Eric Deblicker, his coach, said that he is used to it with Richard and that one musn't listen to him when he's like that, that it's just a mental thing, and that you must tell him to shut up! So he thinks Guy Forget reacted perfecly!



Priceless :haha:

Forget :worship: Deblicker :worship:

Could you post the French version of this paragraph please, Delsa? :D

delsa
07-16-2005, 10:12 PM
Priceless :haha:

Forget :worship: Deblicker :worship:

Could you post the French version of this paragraph please, Delsa? :D
This is not an article's paragraph but my report from all the articles i read and all the tv or audio interviews i saw and heard! The text that i posted below is a rapidly done "translation" of one of those many articles! ;) (it was not clear i'll change the intro to it and write "my report"...)
I'll find you the articles which speak about this (it seems you don't need translation... :cool: ) and i'll make a transcript of the tv interview which is the funnier thing (i have it all on tape...)! :lol:
It will come soon... ;)

lizabeth..*
07-17-2005, 05:03 AM
And Eric Deblicker, his coach, said that he is used to it with Richard and that one musn't listen to him when he's like that, that it's just a mental thing, and that you must tell him to shut up! So he thinks Guy Forget reacted perfecly! :lol:

Kekekekeke, that's great!

delsa
07-17-2005, 08:46 AM
Kekekekeke, that's great!
That makes me remember a time when you supported him saying "Allez stupid!" because he was so inconsistant and you had to wake up very early to follow his matches with him sometimes loosing in the end although he could have won them...:lol: :aplot:

Hey, Liz! Where is the pic you used to make your avatar from, btw?

Marine
07-17-2005, 11:10 AM
I wasn't at home these last days I didn't see the singles, only the first part of double.

For football amators, Micka's quote I like, cos it's true. LOL
Avec Michaël Llodra, tout commence par une boutade. Interrogé samedi avant le début d'une rencontre annoncée comme " cruciale", le Parisien affichait une mine rayonnante. "Quels sont les rôles de chacun ?", demande le journaliste. "Clément, c'est le Vieira du tennis", répond Mika. Il fait tout le boulot et moi je n'ai qu'à finir." Arnaud, qui n'a jamais été le dernier à lancer des blagues de potaches, enchaîne avec un grand sourire: "Oui, je suis là pour le faire briller".

*julie*
07-17-2005, 12:04 PM
Paulo is going to play the decisive match against Andreev! Allez Paulo! It's time you take revenge over the Russians :worship:

esther
07-17-2005, 12:25 PM
GO PAULO!

Marine
07-17-2005, 12:40 PM
i think I'm going to take a bath, the match is annoying, it's very disapointing today... :retard:

Marine
07-17-2005, 02:28 PM
Pathetic day. What an humiliation to lose like that.
Paulo and Richard have really big mental problems
Moreover Richard is ridiculous physically, I can't understand how a player as young can be as bad physically ! It's a shame. He can't hope to become a champion and win a grand slam with his fitness.

Well, at least, good news for Seb , he won't have to find another shity excuse not to play the final. :o

delsa
07-17-2005, 02:47 PM
Well, at least, good news for Seb , he won't have to find another shity excuse not to play the final. :o
It would have been a semi-final. ;)

lizabeth..*
07-17-2005, 02:47 PM
RE-DICULOUS.

lizabeth..*
07-17-2005, 02:50 PM
That makes me remember a time when you supported him saying "Allez stupid!" because he was so inconsistant and you had to wake up very early to follow his matches with him sometimes loosing in the end although he could have won them...:lol: :aplot:

Story of my life darling!! :rolleyes:

And the pic is from Davis Cup, when he was watching Paulo's first match.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v198/fernandoverdasco/dc-23.jpg

parissima
07-17-2005, 03:28 PM
They were making fun of poor Paulo! How mean.
:p

Marine
07-17-2005, 03:34 PM
Mal placé pour se moquer, Richard...

parissima
07-17-2005, 03:36 PM
Bah... On peut dire qu'il s'est moins fait laminer que Paulo. :/
Nan, bah z'étaient vachement décevants les matchs d'aujourd'hui, hein. Mais bon, ça arrive, right?

delsa
07-17-2005, 03:37 PM
Mal placé pour se moquer, Richard...
Très mal placé! But don't assume that's what they were doing, they're not the kind at all to do that. Must be something else... ;)

parissima
07-17-2005, 03:43 PM
Nan mais j'disais ça pour déconner ^^
L'un d'entre eux a dû dire quelque chose de drôle, et voilà. Ils s'encouragent vachement les uns les autres, j'les vois mal se moquer d'un de leur coéquipier comme ça :p

Marine
07-17-2005, 03:48 PM
De toute façon y'en a pas un pour relever le niveau ds tout ça :rolleyes:
Solidaires jusqu'au bout !!!

delsa
07-17-2005, 03:56 PM
De toute façon y'en a pas un pour relever le niveau ds tout ça :rolleyes:
Solidaires jusqu'au bout !!!
Yeah. They stand together even in stupidity! ;)

Marine
07-17-2005, 06:55 PM
A representative pic of the day - :speakles: :retard: :banghead: -

http://www.fft.fr/cd2005/russie-france/album-base/10-photos/album1707-1/images/07.jpg

Via
07-17-2005, 10:57 PM
i don't think arnaud has any nails left... :retard:

richard can be better with more experience... and both he and paulo needs counselling imho

hey france didn't do that badly compared to what happened in sydney lol

Hangdog
07-18-2005, 10:24 AM
and i can't wait for Hangdog's reports too since she's "on site" able to see everything live and talk with players etc...

Sorry, I spent my 2 last days in Moscow in a company of frenchies so I hadn't time to report... Shame on me, of course. I've returned at home right now, have to do some visites today... I'll try to make some reports this evening, night or tomorrow's morning. Anyway I think I have enough things to tell about ;). Excuse moi =).

hangdog....... you lucky lucky girl!!!!!!!!! even got to talk with the rooster!!!!!!!!!!!!! (you must be doing well speaking in french)

Who's really lucky that's Marine I think. If it was so great athmosphere in Moscow with less than 150 French supporters then I can only guess how perfect it's in Paris. And the Rooster... it was almost impossible to catch him because he was so fast, always run from court to players zone and back. And usually together with Micka, who's maybe instead of Seb for him?.. =)

See you soon.

Marine
07-18-2005, 08:44 PM
Who's really lucky that's Marine I think.


Why Irina ?? lol
I never talked to Arnaud.

I can't wait for your reports and ur pics (ok, I know, I didn't make any report about RG but I didn't have something interesting to tell you :unsure: )

Hangdog
07-19-2005, 06:40 PM
Les Françaises Vacances à Moscou – My Davis Cup Story.

Part I.
I’m happy to see you again, Arnaud!

The 15th of July. Moscow. The match began at 13 o’clock of local time. I decided to come to the stadium at 11 o’clock for to learn that place better and for to look for something interesting. That was an idea in my head “to become foreigner” because Russian people usually have more respect to foreigners than to their countrymen. Anyway it could be useful for me because I French team. So I came to the right entrance but the guardman looked at my ticket and said that I have to go downstairs and look for my entrance there. Having nothing more to do I followed the way according his words. But there were only shops and boutiques on that floor. Finally I found a press-center and asked where I can find my entrance. They showed me the next door. But there people told me (in so good English!) that I need return back upstairs and the guardman didn’t let me to enter because it’s still not 12 o’clock. I was becoming mad but went back. But the guardman said me again that he can’t let me to enter and I must go downstairs, then do the circle around the stadium and upstairs again but from another side. Don’t know why I didn’t kill him…
Ok. I found a new entrance and then finally came in. But for sure that wasn’t everything. A woman near a door to my tribune said that I need wait for about a half of hour more! But finally she let me to go in and watch the training standing near the door. But there were only Russians on court so not very interesting for me. I went out and walked around.
Soon I saw a group of people in blue T-shirts with word “France” on them. French supporters. I talked to them a little in French-English (the main thing is that we understood each other). Their tribune was behind their players and my one was the premium – where I went when the doors were opened. And I saw one more group of 3 French fans with national flag and sign “Tennis club Lyon” on it in 3 tribunes from mine. We waved flags to each other. Then players came in, it was opening ceremony with the anthems and the first match of Richard Gasquet – Igor Andreev began.
French tribune worked excellent! Some Russians who were sitting behind myself active tried to do something with that (they even composed some poems!) but a hundred of Frenchies was much more better than thousands of Russians. http://img317.imageshack.us/img317/8306/p71500017qu.jpg http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/8859/p71500057cy.jpg Richard was good enough and had no special problems with his rival. But Guy Forget took a medical pause for him ones… The little present for me was after the first set when two Frenchies came and sat right behind myself and also began to support Gasquet. The atmosphere around was great and I was happy about Richard. Especially I liked his speed. Great victory it was!
After the match I went to VIP zone (the only plus of premium ticket). There I met Lyon guys, we stand together and talked. And we were popular enough because some Russians wanted to get photo of us or with us…
After the break we went back to our tribunes for the next match of Paulo-Davydenko. Two first sets of this match were too boring. Lyon’s guys, Frenchies that sat near me and some people from the French tribune went out… In my opinion the worst part of Paulo’s game was too low percent of first serve. French man from my tribune said that it’s because Davydenko played great… But despite everything Paulo tried to do something in the third set so the end of the match I liked a lot.http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/7573/p71500132do.jpg
Anyway Paulo lost and I left the tribune fast and went to VIP zone for to meet somebody from French team. Unfortunately I didn’t directly know the place where players come from. But first persons I saw were Richard and Gael who walked towards to me. Then I guessed where is the entrance they came from and went there. I met some Russian players during the way (so I knew that the road is right!) and finally… I saw Arnaud who tried to run away from two guys wanted to get a photo with him. I was almost near that place and called Arnaud. Firstly he didn’t pay attention on me but then he returned, smiled and looked at me with absolutely another face. I guessed that he recognized me. Really I was ready to tell him something in French because I had got used to be with lots of Frenchies around. But Arnaud prefered English and answered me: “Hello!”. I decided to ask if he really remembers me and said: “Do you re…”, when he interrupted me and told: “Yes! I remember you!” and asked: “How are you?”. I automatically answered: “I’m fine, thanks. And you?!”. “I’m great!”, replied he with a wide smile. I was absolutely shocked and surprised because of everything: that he remembers me, that he talks to me in English, that he asks me for questions… And I found no more words, just suddenly said: “I’m happy to see you again, Arnaud!”. Also I asked him about his doubles match. The most interesting thing was: “Yes, I’m in a good form”. What can it mean, may be he’s going to show us something good in singles also? Really our talk lasted for 1-2 minutes only, then he said: “See you!” and went to players’ zone. Returning back I met Guy Forget and Davydenko. Got a couple of photos of the last one… http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/523/p71500140af.jpg I went out in the doors where they hadn’t let me in at the morning. Near the doors I saw French team was getting in the car. http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/8652/p71500161qi.jpg First day was finished.

Marine
07-19-2005, 07:28 PM
But Arnaud prefered English

:lol:

Marine
07-19-2005, 07:30 PM
Thank you so much Irina !!! I'm proud of you for severeal reasons.
At first you cheered our frenchies, that's nice.
Secondly, you took time to make a report and post ur pics. Great job. :hug:

Juts a question, what did Arnaud ask you ? (You said he asked you some questions ...)

Via
07-20-2005, 01:21 AM
:worship: thanks for the report and pics

lol i thought you needed to speak french with arnaud too. but of course... i should know better... he likes to practise 'how are you's on people. how cute that he's running away from the photo seekers :haha:

nice that a premium ticket got you into some restricted areas! (what is a tribune?)

Hangdog
07-20-2005, 12:15 PM
Part II.
Allez les blues!..

The 16th of July. Doubles match began at 13.30 o’clock. I went to the stadium in an hour before the beginning and walked to the place where I had met French supporters in previous day. They set on steps and did nothing so I added to them.
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/2336/p71600014ov.jpg
They were from different French cities but all from A.S.E.F.T. club des supporters (www.aseft.com). We had talked before the doors to tribunes were opened. Then I said: “Bonne chance!” and was going to my tribune but frenchies stopped me and said that I have to go with them – held my hands and pulled me with themselves to their tribune. That was so nice!.. Then they found a free place for me and made French make up (national flags on my cheeks). So soon we all were prepared to support les gars Arnaud et Micka and waited for them.
First person came to the court was our previous president Boris Eltsin. He waved us and the frenchies around myself began to shout: “Paris!”. And then the teams came in. The organizers tried to play the national anthems but something didn’t work. And we all from the French tribune stood and began to sing Marseillaise.
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/1858/p71600056tt.jpg
We did it absolutely perfect I think, all the players turned to us and then applauded for the long time.
And the match began.
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/7527/p71600171bs.jpg
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/9872/p71600060zr.jpg
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/4606/p71600272md.jpg
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/8853/p71600445ka.jpg
Really I thought that frenchies would have no problems with this Russian couple Andreev-Youzhny, but Russians tried to do even more than possible on their stadium with thousands of fans. There were little bit more than a hundred of us, French supporters, but we did everything better and louder I’m sure. We constantly sang (in the pauses of match sure) “Allez les blues!” and a lot of other different things. Russian supporters could do nothing, no culture of supporting… I loved the atmosphere of French crowd so much but I needed return to my premium tribune before the last set of the match for to come then to VIP zone and congratulate Arnaud. And I did it.
So the match was finished, I was in that zone but there were no players, I was a little bit worried. After about 10 minutes of waiting I saw Mickael and went to that place. But then I suddenly realized that I saw no Micka. While I thought where to go I heard well-known voice. I returned and saw… 4 huge guards and petit Arnaud in the middle of them, he looked exhausted but smiled and stretched me his hand out. I shook his hand and congratulate him in time. And this moment is mine the most favorite one of all the Moscow’s trip.
After Arnaud went out I met again Davydenko, got a photo with him; met Richard, asked him to sign my flag and got a photo of him
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/3298/p71600486qj.jpg and did the same with Guy Forget.
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After all I left the stadium and walked to the main exit for maybe to meet some my new French friends there. And I finally found them and walked together to subway. There I realized that we live at the neighbouring stations so I helped them to find the right way to the hotel and they invited me to “rendez-vous” – they were going to the club for all the night. But in the evening we contacted and decided don’t go there because they were exhausted and preferred to stay at hotel and sleep and I preferred to stay at home and watch on TV the record of the match. We were looking forward to the final day.

Hangdog
07-20-2005, 12:21 PM
I'll answer all your questions later, ok girls? No time, no workable pc... You know.

Marine
07-20-2005, 08:15 PM
спасибо Irina :worship:

After reading ur reports, we could think you're french ! lol

ps: the girl sitting with the russian flag, they showed a lot at tv, she was very involved and motived, it's not the first time I see her in davis cup.

delsa
07-20-2005, 08:33 PM
Why are you so critical of the Russian supporters Hangdog? :confused: I tought that overall we heard them a lot and that they supported their team very well which was great knowing they weren't organized as the ASEFT was. (btw i thought that the ASEFT chants were very boring and simplistic like always "ALLLEZ ALLEZ ALLEZ, bla bla bla..." I know it's hard to make old retired people, spending their pension fund money for the ASEFT trips following the French teams, sing very well some catchy tunes but still...they were some young girls and guys who could have been more imaginative...). And have they made a contest for the one who would wear the most ridiculous hat or what? (between the old guy with his moustache and his "mini-potato sack" hat and the old women and her gigantic hideous white hat with blue and red ribbons...and a few with fuschia and fluo bobs... it would have been hard to choose which was the worst :rolleyes: ). Most of the supporters were what the French call "bofs" (i watched the two first matches with a French friend and he was like "ashamed" of his representants! :lol: ). And you said yourself that tennis is not a major sport in Russia (it's not as if it was a hockey, football match or something...i heard they tend to be very hot atmospheres for those in Russia) so it was pretty well knowing that. But thank you very much for your reports! ;) :worship: It seems you had a great time! ;)

Marine
07-20-2005, 08:53 PM
*wow ça gaze ce soir! *

Well, I don't think there's a great atmopshere in Moscow, davis cup, fed cup etc...without Boris, we wouldn't have heard the russian supporters ! lol
I agree with you, delsa it's always the same songs, the "kitchissime " hats and shirts, it's very franchouillard, but...ça a le mérite to exist at least, I think there is nothing worse than an empty stadium, it's cold and sad.
;)

delsa
07-20-2005, 09:09 PM
*wow ça gaze ce soir! *

Well, I don't think there's a great atmopshere in Moscow, davis cup, fed cup etc...without Boris, we wouldn't have heard the russian supporters ! lol
I agree with you, delsa it's always the same songs, the "kitchissime " hats and shirts, it's very franchouillard, but...ça a le mérite to exist at least, I think there is nothing worse than an empty stadium, it's cold and sad.
;)

Don't get me wrong! There was a time when they were perfect and they still are sometimes (mostly when a tie is played in France... I'am looking forward to the Fed Cup final in Roland-Garros...) but lately the passion and the "fire" weren't there anymore... i hope it'll come back! ;)
And please don't exagerate! There was a great atmosphere in Moscow (at times...)!
I must admit i did it to conter-balance a little bit the talks here because i'm fed up with everybody in this thread criticizing the Russian supporters. I think it's easy, low and not fair-play..."Let's share the love!" :lol:
I love it when you mix English and French in your sentences (ieg.: "ça a le mérite to exist at least...") ! That gives you a special style and that's very funny! :lol: :yeah:

Marine
07-20-2005, 09:20 PM
Don't get me wrong! There was a time when they were perfect and they still are sometimes (mostly when a tie is played in France... I'am looking forward to the Fed Cup final in Roland-Garros...) but lately the passion and the "fire" weren't there anymore... i hope it'll come back! ;)
I love it when you mix English and French in your sentences (ieg.: "ça a le mérite to exist at least...") ! That gives you a special style and that's very funny! :lol: :yeah:

ughhh tu as pu remarqué mon super niveau d'anglais...donc disons que cette mixure est bien souvent nécessaire hélas :rolleyes: :unsure: lol
*ça craint, je sais*

Via
07-20-2005, 10:59 PM
wow irina........ what an experience :yeah: i love that bit about petit arnaud surrounded by huge guards, and he even shook hands with you :lol: (you know if you had given him a hug and a kiss, maybe he wouldn't have refused? hehe)

Hangdog
07-22-2005, 06:30 PM
Part III.
I become French.

The 17th of July. In the morning I discussed (using the phone) with my friends where we can meet and left the home in the right time. But already in subway I met a company of frenchies who were happy to meet me because they had some problems with the right way to the stadium. So we went on place together, they took me with themselves again and found me a good place on their tribune. My friends were a little bit late but they gave me their club T-shirt + French make up again + my own French flag = I wasn’t a stranger, became also almost French. When the players came in, some reporters, French as I understood, stopped Arnaud et Micka, who came the last, and asked them from some questions or something other maybe for long enough time.
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And then the first - Richard’s - match started. Richard did everything on court, supporters did everything on tribunes… Even some magical things! That looked very nice! At least Richard won a set.
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But finally he lost and the most of frenchies from court left their places very fast. I also left French tribune and went to my one for to go then to VIP zone and meet there somebody. I spent there all the break between the matches but met only Russian players. When I returned to tribune I almost bumped into Arnaud who run with Mickael to court – they were late again. I wished them bonne chance, got “merci” from Arnaud and also run to my place on French tribune. The last match was Paulo – Andreev. And that looked like Paulo was the most favorite player of French supporters. During this match (or perhaps the previous one, I’m not sure now) the French reporter came into our tribune and got an interview of one of the main supporters (who began all the songs, shouting in his megaphone). But all the efforts of French crowd helped Paulo to win just some sets… On the bench of French players the most nervous was Llodra, who left the court during every pause between sets –together with Arnaud.
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I think the atmosphere on French tribune during the last match was especially fantastic. And when everything finished I really felt myself French… I remembered that I’m Russian only when one woman asked me how I feel Russian victory. The only my feeling was that we lost… All the supporters of French team stayed on their place, I had also no reasons to leave the tribune so stayed with them. The players went out. The only of them who stopped near our tribune and applauded to us was Arnaud… Soon everybody left the stadium except us. I didn’t know what we’re waiting for but didn’t want to ask. Finally guards came and leaded us to VIP zone where there were tables with meal and drinks for us (for free). We were there for 15 – 20 minutes and then Gael and Richard came to us. Photos, autographs etc… 20 minutes later Paulo also came to us. So my flag became signed by the members of the team. Except Grosjean.
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By the way, the most free and talkative was Gael (well, nothing strange….), Richard and Paulo were very confused and felt themselves little bit uncomfortable. After all, the supporters organized a nice game. Soon the players loved that game also.
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But finally les gars went out (I asked fans why we hadn’t seen Arnaud, Mickael and Guy Forget – they answered it was maybe because they were going to fly to France that day). We get some affiches of the tournament, my friends presented me a tennis ball. Yeah, with “Rolland Garros” words on it. If they got it from players or from somewhere else… I’m not sure. So we were also going to the exit. But we spent the time of our way very nice also, especially in the subway – waving the flags, singing, dancing…
http://img273.imageshack.us/img273/9108/p71700615vl.jpg Absolutely crazy. Anyway I’d perhaps never have a chance to sing Marseillaise in Moscow subway again… But all the songs and events of those days are still in my mind.

Marine
07-22-2005, 06:54 PM
Merci again Irina ! lol

I can't understand how the supporters can "celebrate" such a big loss like that...it looks like a win's celebration :eek:

Marine
07-22-2005, 07:03 PM
During this match (or perhaps the previous one, I’m not sure now) the French reporter came into our tribune and got an interview of one of the main supporters (who began all the songs, shouting in his megaphone).

I remember this moment, it's our famous "Nelson national" who interviewed the guy with the megaphone :lol:
He asked him for shouting something to the french tvspectators... lol

sphaerena
07-22-2005, 08:41 PM
You were in the subway Irina??? i must have seen you.... ; ) yes it was absolutely crazy ( like the russian girl who can't help to yelled ! lol). It's always the same with the french supporters, we are happy even we lost, it's more easy to accept the loss like this i think :p
and after it's such great memories! But there, all the russians in the subway must have thought we were crazy ( so we are at least a little :p) the way they look at us.
it was an unforgattable week end, i have the impression to be in an other world in moscou.

Via
07-23-2005, 12:25 AM
:eek: :eek: :worship: :worship: what an impressive report, irina!!!!

i had no idea that french team supporters had so much privilege... (free food??? :yeah: ) and get to party too, even with a loss. can you imagine how they partied when they won in melbourne????

irina you'll get seb to sign that flag one day, of course ;)

esther
07-23-2005, 03:39 AM
Fantastic report, Irina!! thank you so much!! Loved how you did report by photos type thing too hehe. Sounded like an amazing experience!

delsa
07-23-2005, 07:12 AM
Merci again Irina ! lol

I can't understand how the supporters can "celebrate" such a big loss like that...it looks like a win's celebration :eek:
It's like in rugby, Marine. Celebration, great spirit at all cost! ;) I've always liked and admire the ASEFT a lot for borowing these great rugby values into the way they support tennis.

This celebration thing where the supporters carry a player through a room (or a team makes its supporters dance... normally that's the other way round...) is called a "paquito chocolatero" or "paquito" generally (it's shorter...you just know rugby is a sport from the south because it's clearly Spanish inspired name (from a Spanish song i think...so it comes from the other side of the Pyrenees but rugby's not popular at all in Spain so that's the only sharing there is...) that and i've just noticed Sphaerena spoke about it in another post...). It's directly borowed from usual rugby celebrations' traditions.

Here's the pic of the French XV celebrating their 2004 Six Nations Grand Slam win that way (doing it with the trophy...) to proove it and a few rugby supporters pics (the "Toulousains" supporters after a loss against their "enemy team" (there is no "enemy team" in rugby but...)) too:

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That's one of the main reason i like rugby so much: great values! And the ASEFT takes exemple of them. The "celebration no matter what" spirit, the respect (even friendship) of your opponent, the fair-play, the special culture of support with lots of chants, dance etc... You celebrate with as much passion, alcohol, chants, great food, etc...wether you've won or lost and in rugby normally you even celebrate with your opponents' supporters (here, i don't think the Russians would have accepted...hehe! :p ) because wathever happened: the sport, great play, emotions, pride of having supported your team which gaves its best (no matter the result it's always assumed that's what it did) , till the end are the reel winners of the day... Oooh i love rugby!
There not there yet in the chants and passion department (at least lately...i can see you coming Marine... :p ) but for the rest, the ASEFT really managed to keep the rugby atmosphere and values...

Everyone thinks that football "supporters" (many of them don't deserve this name...) should take exemple of this spirit... :rolleyes:

Did you hear the "Paulo! Paulo!" long after his loss (they stayed in the stadium till the end...)...How could you not feel bad at his place after his "performance" when you're still supported like that? He felt very guilty like Seb Grosjean did in Strasbourg pointing two fingers at his temple and everything... :sad: That's why he was not at ease, i think, Irina.

BTW, there was this guy always in the French player's box behind him during the whole DC week-end wearing his BO (Biarritz Olympique) jersey. Who was he? Was he a member of the team? :confused:

You can find a lot of this type of pics in the ASEFT's official site photo gallery. Some with the French DC and FC players and team members. Some are priceless like Mika (it's always about him...:lol: not sober it seems :aplot: ) and his "gay stretch black with silver impressions t-shirt" with the usual gel he puts on his hair it was all set! Or Arnaud going crazy as usual and a shy Seb Grosjean participating just to please his friends and not look like the uptight guy of the band...:lol:
Have a look at it some time! It's so funny! ;)

:worship: Thank you Irina for your reports! They're awesome! :worship:

And if they supported Paulo louder it's not because he's their favorite, you know. It's because it was the last decisive match (a certain loss if i may add...so in this case you even support louder) and because Paulo is known for being very nervous, sensitive and that he must feel supported a lot. They always sing their heart out for him. ;) Even after a loss so that he knows he's still supported no matter what. That's a rule. You support your team (opposed to being only a "despised spectator" hehe just half-kidding...) till the end in loss or in victory, in pain or joy... That's why you stayed till the end and were the last to leave... ;)
It seems you had a great time! Don't forget to be a bit Russian too. Your country's a great country.

And i'm the one who have to explain all that! Marine, Julie and the others, where are you? :devil:

delsa
07-23-2005, 07:13 AM
Just have a look at these to get an idea of it (and it was only after their win over Sweden in the second round in 2004 :haha: ):

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Those pics make me remember i really really really etc... miss Escudé too... :sad:

Marine
07-23-2005, 09:20 AM
Yes I know the rugby spirit is very different of football one, it's a real culture, tradition etc... even if I prefer football (the game) in general.
I follow just le quinze de France , and I don't understand the rules ! lol

I already visited the gallery of ASEFT, that's sounds funny but I'd prefer they put more player's pics, cos the pics of themself, well, I don't know them...lol

About Micka: he's, by far, the craziest player of the team. Even Arnaud seems shy comparing to him.
Look at this pics, Micka the animator !

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sphaerena
07-23-2005, 09:56 AM
I put some pics here, but i know the gallery of moscou will be soon on the aseft's website ; )

Marine
07-23-2005, 10:02 AM
Merci :)

Hangdog
07-23-2005, 05:12 PM
What a shame it'll be if I can't repair my PC after I've been studiing at electro technical university :lol: Well, at least this stupid (ok, clever...) machine works again now and I can send a reply.
спасибо Irina :worship:

After reading ur reports, we could think you're french ! lol

ps: the girl sitting with the russian flag, they showed a lot at tv, she was very involved and motived, it's not the first time I see her in davis cup.

Всегда пожалуйста ;) . It's so strange to see here Russian letters... But very nice :lol:
The girl is Laura and yes, she is one of the most active supporters (I'd even say the most active...). And that's she who presented me Golland Garros tennis ball =).

Why are you so critical of the Russian supporters Hangdog? I tought that overall we heard them a lot
A lot? Ohhhh sure!.. Especially after bad first serve of French players :devil: During these moments I heard russians very well. They all - from players and journalists to fans - applauded and shouted. And it wasn't easy for the jurge to make them calm. I can even tell you next. All dedicated enough Russian fans think the same (about no culture). The most Russian people on stadium even wasn't sure about the rules of tennis and about who's who even in Russian team... At the stadium we heard La Marseillaise at least for 3 times, and never Russian anthem (in Russia!..). If you're interested I can give you some other examples.
And about "the celebration of lose" of frenchies. Really I thought that's a part of French charakter - don't give up even in case of lose. For me it was strange and I even had a feeling that I regret about the lose more than all the frenchies around. That's impossible to imagine Russian fans of any sport in this role. I and see Marine, for example, being French also can't understand this thing. Well, maybe this quality is a good one - for memories like sphaerena said, but it's bad for motivation in my opinion. Anyway maybe it's because I'm self not so close to tennis or rugby and my sport is too different...
By the way, delsa, where do you give time for write so long and clever posts? =) And be sure, I'm really proud to be Russian although I often become little bit Norwegian or French, like that time.

wow irina........ what an experience :yeah: i love that bit about petit arnaud surrounded by huge guards, and he even shook hands with you :lol: (you know if you had given him a hug and a kiss, maybe he wouldn't have refused? hehe)

Yeah... :D That memory is my favorite one of all the Moscow's trip! When I'm turning and see Arnaud's hand... Inexpressible feelings. Hmmm.. and I'd even perhaps answer something your last question... but here it's wrong place for that, isn't it? :topic: :lol:

irina you'll get seb to sign that flag one day, of course ;)
Who can be sure in something about Sebastien Grosjean these days... Anyway I've already met him - at least something... And I remembered him very often during these two last matches. That's unfair that Paulo has to lose russians in Davis Cup time and time again, poor guy... :( I'm too dissapointed in my favorite French player.

You were in the subway Irina??? i must have seen you.... ; ) yes it was absolutely crazy ( like the russian girl who can't help to yelled ! lol).
:lol: yeah, then we must have seen one another =) Do you mean that Russian girl who tried to shout "CSKA - champion"?.. (although her team also lost that day...=)) And we have to be happy that we were foreigners there because if it were, for example, Russian football fans on our place, they'd be arrested in time... But anyway that weekend was really unforgettable!
Fantastic report, Irina!! thank you so much!! Loved how you did report by photos type thing too hehe. Sounded like an amazing experience!
Awww, that experience was really amazing ;) !!..

Tanya
07-25-2005, 10:19 AM
http://www.atptour.ru/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=207&start=105
There are many Richard's fotos from DC'05 in Moscow. They were made by me.

Marine
07-25-2005, 10:49 AM
Thank you Tanya !!! :)
You seem to...like Richard, I am right ? lol

Tanya
07-25-2005, 11:11 AM
Marine
I don't like Richard but I love another French tennis player. :p

Marine
07-25-2005, 11:36 AM
Marine
I don't like Richard but I love another French tennis player. :p

For someone who don't like him, you took lots pics of him !!!! lol
Did you shoot the other players if you prefer them ?? :p

Tanya
07-25-2005, 12:20 PM
I have something greater than photos for me from this tennis player. :inlove:
And I photographed Richard for others.
For example, for you :yeah:

Tanya
07-25-2005, 12:31 PM
These fotos are too mine.

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Alice154
07-29-2005, 08:01 PM
Cpaciba bolchoï !!!
No ia predpatchitayou Paul henri Mathieu !! :D :D

Kezzi
09-03-2005, 09:50 PM
It's like in rugby, Marine. Celebration, great spirit at all cost! ;) I've always liked and admire the ASEFT a lot for borowing these great rugby values into the way they support tennis.

This celebration thing where the supporters carry a player through a room (or a team makes its supporters dance... normally that's the other way round...) is called a "paquito chocolatero" or "paquito" generally (it's shorter...you just know rugby is a sport from the south because it's clearly Spanish inspired name (from a Spanish song i think...so it comes from the other side of the Pyrenees but rugby's not popular at all in Spain so that's the only sharing there is...) that and i've just noticed Sphaerena spoke about it in another post...). It's directly borowed from usual rugby celebrations' traditions.

Here's the pic of the French XV celebrating their 2004 Six Nations Grand Slam win that way (doing it with the trophy...) to proove it and a few rugby supporters pics (the "Toulousains" supporters after a loss against their "enemy team" (there is no "enemy team" in rugby but...)) too:

(I removed the pics and the rest of the post, otherwise you have to search to find my post underneath :p ) .


Can someone explain to me how that celebration thing goes exactly? Looks like fun :D

delsa
09-23-2005, 11:13 PM
Can someone explain to me how that celebration thing goes exactly? Looks like fun :D
It's Basque at the beginning : a dance/celebration tradition that spread to all the ways of celebrating a rugby encouter during the "third half time" in the whole of France from North to South by supporters because of rugby and the influence of the Basque clubs in the South West, the French heartland of rugby...So then this habit went further North and East etc...It's now called "une chenille" in "proper French" and a little modified when the rugby supporters do it up north (there they wouldn't know what a paquito is from most of them but they'd get what you mean by a "chenille"...) The fact that almost all the best female rugby teams were from the North during a long time (it's changing now and they're gaining respect in the s-w too) has maybe a little to do with the spreading of this "tradition" to other grounds...
Basically it's holding a person and moving him/her hands by hands the fastest possible through a crowded room following the rythm of a special music to hold him/her in triomph and for him/her to feel "tournis" as the French says (as if you were drunk or when you turn too much on yourself very fast you know?...) without drinking anything and at the end allthe holders can do it with lots of ppl and try to stand up (they're sit or lied on the ground at the beginning) while still making them "move" through the room and without "droping" them (ouch) so that they move from higher up the floor. They also make them jump etc...
It's weird described like that, i've only experienced doing this or being hold a few times but "in the moment" of the celebration with the other things like the "sautée" and many other drinking, eating, dancing traditional stuff etc...it's very funny and can be very enjoyable. :shrug: ;)
It's not as fun with the ASEFT supporters despite all the heart they must put into it though because they aren't numerous enough and i assume they don't have the right music too...
Maybe someone like Julie who lives close to this rugby heartland (and even in it according to some ppl who argue on this...hehe) could answer you better.
It surprised me when i first come to rugby a few years ago too.
Hope that helped. :wavey:

*julie*
09-24-2005, 01:29 PM
Maybe someone like Julie who lives close to this rugby heartland (and even in it according to some ppl who argue on this...hehe) could answer you better.
It surprised me when i first come to rugby a few years ago too.
Hope that helped. :wavey:

Your explanation is very good Delsa. I can't do better. And I am no longer living in the rugby heartland... I remind you that Beziers :smash: is out of the top 14... :rolleyes: ;)

silverwhite
09-24-2005, 03:44 PM
You come from Richard's hometown, Julie? :eek:

*julie*
09-24-2005, 04:02 PM
You come from Richard's hometown, Julie? :eek:

Not exactly. I live in Montpellier which is 30/45 minutes from Beziers by car. My father is "biterrois" as we say for people from Beziers. And my grand-parents still live there.

delsa
09-24-2005, 04:30 PM
Your explanation is very good Delsa. I can't do better. And I am no longer living in the rugby heartland... I remind you that Beziers :smash: is out of the top 14... :rolleyes: ;)
Yeah but some ppl say this part of the S-E close to the middle of the coast just next to the S-W is part of the "Ovalie"...I let these arguments to the old ppl around a serie of pastis glasses... ;)

And Richard must be sad about it for sure. Béziers the former great team (the one that dominated after the Lourdes era) with many ppl he knows playing in it in the Pro D2. What a disgrace! :sad:

Silverwhite: if she came from his hometown, the very little Sérignan she would know him personnaly for sure since it's so small (1000 habitants or so i think...). ;) Wouldn't it be great, actually? :eek:

*julie*
09-24-2005, 04:59 PM
Yeah but some ppl say this part of the S-E close to the middle of the coast just next to the S-W is part of the "Ovalie"...I let these arguments to the old ppl around a serie of pastis glasses... ;)

And Richard must be sad about it for sure. Béziers the former great team (the one that dominated after the Lourdes era) with many ppl he knows playing in it in the Pro D2. What a disgrace! :sad:

Silverwhite: if she came from his hometown, the very little Sérignan she would know him personnaly for sure since it's so small (1000 habitants or so i think...). ;) Wouldn't it be great, actually? :eek:

You are right about the Ovalie thing. I was just being sarcastic about the poor performances of the rugby team ;)

Sérignan is not that small. In fact there are about 7000 inhabitants there. I would say it's a residential village... as it's only 5 minutes from Beziers and many people from there work in Beziers.

delsa
09-24-2005, 05:14 PM
You are right about the Ovalie thing. I was just being sarcastic about the poor performances of the rugby team ;)

Sérignan is not that small. In fact there are about 7000 inhabitants there. I would say it's a residential village... as it's only 5 minutes from Beziers and many people from there work in Beziers.
Thx for these precisions, Julie! Great to have someone "on site" to explain everything. ;) And what is Sérignan-plage, the part of the village on the beach or another thing? :confused:

*julie*
09-24-2005, 05:29 PM
Thx for these precisions, Julie! Great to have someone "on site" to explain everything. ;) And what is Sérignan-plage, the part of the village on the beach or another thing? :confused:

Serignan plage is not exactly the same town as it is 5 minutes from Serignan village.
The funny thing is people imagine that Serignan is a tiny typical village (which is a bit true cos the center is very beautiful) but the truth is it's not that rural... There even is a Mc Donald in Serignan :lol:

delsa
09-24-2005, 05:57 PM
Serignan plage is not exactly the same town as it is 5 minutes from Serignan village.
The funny thing is people imagine that Serignan is a tiny typical village (which is a bit true cos the center is very beautiful) but the truth is it's not that rural... There even is a Mc Donald in Serignan :lol:
Nothing is truely "rural" nowadays exept maybe the "fin fond de la Creuse" as the expression says. Nothing escapes the McDo invasion too... ;)

silverwhite
09-24-2005, 06:05 PM
McDo :eek: We were watching a documentary ("Supersize Me") on McDonalds and they interviewed this French woman in America who said that the small size drink in McDonalds there was too much for her to finish.

They also mentioned that a French newspaper ran an article (in 2001 or 2002) on the detriments of eating too much McDonalds food.

delsa
09-24-2005, 06:09 PM
McDo :eek: We were watching a documentary ("Supersize Me") on McDonalds and they interviewed this French woman in America who said that the small size drink in McDonalds there was too much for her to finish.

They also mentioned that a French newspaper ran an article (in 2001 or 2002) on the detriments of eating too much McDonalds food.
Yeah. The recipes, the sizes and everything are diminished and different in European McDos (i've seen a documentary on tv on that too...)... I even think they make different flavours depending on the country. I never managed to finish a American burger when i went there. One plate was needed for the burger and another one for the "curly" fries (don't know what the name is...) but it's true it was not in McDo... :eek:
Oh and Supersize Me is a scary documentary film too...

Marine
09-24-2005, 06:21 PM
I'm sure they have mcdos au fin fond de la creuse !! lol

But his food did't help the french team (of basketball) to beat greec in semi final of the european championships, they just have lost at the LAST second while they were leading !!! That's horribleeeeeeee :mad:
sorry for this off tennis parenthese

delsa
09-24-2005, 06:33 PM
I'm sure they have mcdos au fin fond de la creuse !! lol

But his food did't help the french team (of basketball) to beat greec in semi final of the european championships, they just have lost at the LAST second while they were leading !!! That's horribleeeeeeee :mad:
sorry for this off tennis parenthese
The Greeks care much more about basket than you French do. They wanted this more. I'm happy about the result. Your team with this unexpected result that you shouldn't be ashamed of since you were not the favorites at all (seing how they were playing lately i think i don't have to remind you that...) booked itself a place for the World Championships in Japan. Be happy. Watch all the great top 14 rugby encounters there are today. A blast. That will cheer you up. ;)

*julie*
09-24-2005, 06:36 PM
I'm sure they have mcdos au fin fond de la creuse !! lol


I think there is only one department in France where they don't have any Mc Do: the Lozere...les irréductilbes gaulois :lol:
80% of the french population live at 20 minutes from a Mc Do...Which is a big strategy for Mc Do. Going to the Mc Do or cooking some pastas take the same time...

The Greeks care much more about basket than you French do. They wanted this more. I'm happy about the result. Your team with this unexpected result that you shouldn't be ashamed of since you were notr the favorites at all (seing how they were playing lately i think i don't have to remind you that...) booked itself a place for the World Championships in Japan. Be happy. Watch all the great top 14 rugby encounters there is today. A blast. That will cheer you up. ;)

Yes but that's cruel to loose 1 point down :sad:

:o We are very off topic...

Marine
09-24-2005, 06:39 PM
I don't like basketball, I think it's very boring to watch (game always stoped , the last 40 secs lasted 5 min !) but I always cheer the french team in big competitions, and that's always sad to lose at 3 sec of the end.

Marine
09-24-2005, 06:42 PM
:o We are very off topic...
If we talked in french we would be more off topic, so it's ok, and the thread us about france/russia...this evening russia was greece.

And yes our reaction is just normal.

delsa
09-24-2005, 07:04 PM
I think there is only one department in France where they don't have any Mc Do: the Lozere...les irréductilbes gaulois :lol:
80% of the french population live at 20 minutes from a Mc Do...Which is a big strategy for Mc Do. Going to the Mc Do or cooking some pastas take the same time...
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Why this Lozère particularity? :confused: Is it José Bové's department? :devil:
Very machiavelic smart strategy of McDo indeed... But if you don't cook yourself you're responsible. I almost never go to McDo. I have nothing against fast food and can enjoy it like every two month with some friends but it's not the kind of food and especially the way of eating i like. My mother isn't a "housewife" (English term?) and she works a lot and always did (exept for a 4 years break after my little bro's birth) but she always managed to cook and my father is a "very very good cook" (for someone without a formation of course...lol he just "attended" a kind of "training camp" to learn to make "sauces" a few years ago with some of his friends) too. So i was raised to love great prepared healthy dishes. The only prepared stuff i agree to eat without forcing myself (of course i won't complain about food, some Madagascan ppl would kill to be able to eat that much...) are those from Picard (great but more expensive...).
Not surprising Picard are very successful. Nobody is ready to cook nowadays. It's not even a question of knowing how to do it or not. I don't cook that well for ex or to do so i need to try and try a lot over and over again and to take a lot of time (which i can't afford to do...) but i have the will to do so. And there are healthy things (not rice and pastas every day...) that are easy to do too (for ex when i don't have time i eat loads of salads and fruits because it's done in no time...). And they get kids addicted to this stuff since their lazy parents brought them there since they were babies...So they don't get their sense of taste developped...And you are hungry again just three hours after having eaten a McDo menu too...The vicious cycle begins... And $$$$$$$$ enters in their pockets...
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*julie*
09-24-2005, 08:23 PM
[Off topic]
Why this Lozère particularity? :confused: Is it José Bové's department? :devil:
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[Sorry still Off Topic]
Not at all. I think he is from Aveyron. And there are Mc Donalds in Aveyron as he bombed one of them... :lol:
Lozère is the less crowded department in France I think... Worse than "le fin fond de la creuse"...

And I totally agree with you about what you said ;)
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Marine
09-24-2005, 09:37 PM
[Off topic]
And you are hungry again just three hours after having eaten a McDo menu too...The vicious cycle begins... And $$$$$$$$ enters in their pockets...
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Un ptit plat de pates ça cale bien plus et c'est meilleur ! :p
home woman = houswive, dear delsa, at least a word I know. Do you follow "desperate houswives" on canal+ ? lol

delsa
09-24-2005, 09:45 PM
Un ptit plat de pâtes ça cale bien plus et c'est meilleur ! :p
home woman = houswive, dear delsa, at least a word I know. Do you follow "desperate houswives" on canal+ ? lol
Thx. I edited my post. And i knew it but these words just don't come to your mind when you need them... :rolleyes:
Er...No i don't follow this serie. Don't have the time so when i watch tv it's almost always sport and "only with an eye"...

silverwhite
09-25-2005, 02:27 AM
Un ptit plat de pates ça cale bien plus et c'est meilleur ! :p
home woman = houswive, dear delsa, at least a word I know. Do you follow "desperate houswives" on canal+ ? lol

The show is (or rather, was, since it has finished its run) my guilty pleasure. :D

Kezzi
09-27-2005, 03:34 PM
It's Basque at the beginning : a dance/celebration tradition that spread to all the ways of celebrating a rugby encouter during the "third half time" in the whole of France from North to South by supporters because of rugby and the influence of the Basque clubs in the South West, the French heartland of rugby...So then this habit went further North and East etc...It's now called "une chenille" in "proper French" and a little modified when the rugby supporters do it up north (there they wouldn't know what a paquito is from most of them but they'd get what you mean by a "chenille"...) The fact that almost all the best female rugby teams were from the North during a long time (it's changing now and they're gaining respect in the s-w too) has maybe a little to do with the spreading of this "tradition" to other grounds...
Basically it's holding a person and moving him/her hands by hands the fastest possible through a crowded room following the rythm of a special music to hold him/her in triomph and for him/her to feel "tournis" as the French says (as if you were drunk or when you turn too much on yourself very fast you know?...) without drinking anything and at the end allthe holders can do it with lots of ppl and try to stand up (they're sit or lied on the ground at the beginning) while still making them "move" through the room and without "droping" them (ouch) so that they move from higher up the floor. They also make them jump etc...
It's weird described like that, i've only experienced doing this or being hold a few times but "in the moment" of the celebration with the other things like the "sautée" and many other drinking, eating, dancing traditional stuff etc...it's very funny and can be very enjoyable. :shrug: ;)
It's not as fun with the ASEFT supporters despite all the heart they must put into it though because they aren't numerous enough and i assume they don't have the right music too...
Maybe someone like Julie who lives close to this rugby heartland (and even in it according to some ppl who argue on this...hehe) could answer you better.
It surprised me when i first come to rugby a few years ago too.
Hope that helped. :wavey:
Thanks for explaining it :hug: . It's a bit clearer now, but maybe I have to experience it to really now what it's like :p .