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Which is more likely to happen

deliveryman
06-24-2005, 09:39 PM
;) discuss

Paialii
06-24-2005, 09:40 PM
;) discuss

Discuss..........what? :wavey:

Denaon
06-24-2005, 09:41 PM
:lol: mmmmmmm :scratch:

RodLo
06-24-2005, 09:42 PM
Mmkay...:rolleyes:

Denaon
06-24-2005, 09:43 PM
Nadal for sure!!!! Roddick is hopeless in RG :shrug:

mitalidas
06-24-2005, 09:43 PM
nadal wimbledon :)

like he said : all he needs to do is improve his serve, volley, and grass game!

joeb_uk
06-24-2005, 09:44 PM
Nadal wimbledon

Paialii
06-24-2005, 09:50 PM
Ah, NOW you add the discussion part of it. ;)

Roddick winning RG? Are you flippin' serious? :lol: :haha: :sobbing:

Bah, I shouldn't be quite that negative. Anything's possible (after all, Myskina won the French Open last year.. how the $@#& did that happen?), and if Andy would get smarter mentally, I suppose he could be more of a threat. The kid needs some confidence.

It's more likely for Nadal to win Wimbledon, however, but I don't see that happening, atleast not anytime soon (not in the next 3-4 years or more). I think this poll is pointless, everyone knows what's more likely. I would pose a more thought-provoking question, such as:

Who looks better without their shirt?

Andy Roddick
Irakli Labadze


;)

deliveryman
06-24-2005, 09:56 PM
Roddick has won 5 claycourt tournaments
Nadal hasn't even come close to winning a single grass tournament
Nadal gets thrashed in the first round at Halle.
Nadal gets thrashed in the second round of Wimbledon.
Roddick made the third round of RG when he was only 18 years old.
Roddick was a set away from making the third round again at RG, before blowing a 2-0 lead.
Roddick has more sets this year at RG, than Nadal has in both of his grass tournaments.

NYCtennisfan
06-24-2005, 09:57 PM
There will be too many claycourters for Roddick to ever contend at RG. Even if the draw opens up, there will someone who is good on clay to take him out. As for Nadal, he might get a draw where he would have to beat only maybe 1 or 2 really good grass players and perhaps in the future he will have improved himself on grass. In the end, I think neither will win on their most troublesome surfaces.

Paialii
06-24-2005, 09:58 PM
Roddick has won some claycourt tournaments
Nadal hasn't.

Nadal gets thrashed in Halle.
Nadal gets thrashed in the second round of Wimbledon.
Roddick has made the third round of RG when he was only 18 years old.
Roddick was a set away from making the third round again at RG, before blowing a 2-0 lead.

Is the French Open not played on clay?

deliveryman
06-24-2005, 10:00 PM
Is the French Open not played on clay?

I mean't Nadal hasn't won a grasscourt tournament. I thought it was obvious, but I fixed it for you.

Paialii
06-24-2005, 10:04 PM
I mean't Nadal hasn't won a grasscourt tournament. I thought it was obvious, but I fixed it for you.

Heh. It wasn't obvious, as the subject and direct object were changed in the implied version. I see your edited version though, makes sense now. :)

allanah
06-24-2005, 10:12 PM
I certainly think Nadal winning Wimbledon is likelier. If Hewitt can do as well as he has over recent years, there's no reason why Nadal can't match that or even better it with their styles of play being so similar.

For me, Andy making the 2nd week of RG would be a major breakthrough. It's just not his surface: his game does not translate to clay very well at all.

Papakori
06-24-2005, 10:27 PM
Nadal winning Wimbledon

mitalidas
06-24-2005, 10:28 PM
Roddick made the third round of RG when he was only 18 years old.

if I am not mistaken nadal reached the third round of Wimbledon in 2003 when he was ONLY 17 years old!

David Kenzie
06-24-2005, 10:30 PM
Roddick has won 5 claycourt tournaments
Nadal hasn't even come close to winning a single grass tournamentThis is totally irrelevant as there are so many more Clay tournaments than there are Grass tournaments. Not to mention the fact that Roddick is 3 years older than Nadal.

Nadal gets thrashed in the first round at Halle.
Nadal gets thrashed in the second round of Wimbledon.
Roddick made the third round of RG when he was only 18 years old.
Roddick was a set away from making the third round again at RG, before blowing a 2-0 lead.
Roddick has more sets this year at RG, than Nadal has in both of his grass tournaments.
So ? Nadal made the third round of Wimby at only 17.

mitalidas
06-24-2005, 10:31 PM
Roddick has won 5 claycourt tournaments

just clarifying, this includes Houston which is littered with claycourt specialists every year

Shabazza
06-24-2005, 10:36 PM
this thread is pointless

Fedex
06-24-2005, 10:45 PM
Roddick has won 5 claycourt tournaments

And how many of those were in Houston again?? I believe 4, but do correct me if I'm wrong.

Fedex
06-24-2005, 10:46 PM
Nadal because he actually makes an effort to improve on grass. I cant say the same about Roddick on clay.

Fedex
06-24-2005, 10:48 PM
Roddick made the third round of RG when he was only 18 years old.

And he hasn't been there since.

ys
06-24-2005, 10:58 PM
This poll is not even funny. Add "Hewitt wins RG" and "Safin wins Wimbledon" options, then it is interesting.

KoOlMaNsEaN
06-24-2005, 10:58 PM
nadal winning wimbledon. He reached the 3rd round last year and has a better chance than andy winnin in paris

deliveryman
06-24-2005, 11:02 PM
do you forget that Andy should've made third round RG this year but choked away a 2-0 set lead?

Fedex
06-24-2005, 11:30 PM
do you forget that Andy should've made third round RG this year but choked away a 2-0 set lead?
No he shouldn't have. He lost to the better player on the day, end of story.

Fedex
06-24-2005, 11:30 PM
This poll is not even funny. Add "Hewitt wins RG" and "Safin wins Wimbledon" options, then it is interesting.
:lol:

RickDaStick
06-24-2005, 11:32 PM
The end of the world.

Regenbogen
06-25-2005, 12:14 AM
i'd definitely say nadal, though i do think roddick could win rg eventually if he could get everything together for 2 weeks '_'...i mean, you don't necessarily need a "clay court game" to win rg, the main thing is you have to play well lol

NATAS81
06-25-2005, 12:45 AM
Definitely Nadal winning Wimbledon. This question wasn't really necessary, was it?

Roddick's results have been completely dispicable on clay.

Unless you count American clay, he's not ready for even SF at RG.

NATAS81
06-25-2005, 12:46 AM
This poll is not even funny. Add "Hewitt wins RG" and "Safin wins Wimbledon" options, then it is interesting.
Or Joachim Johansson winning RG.

DanEd
06-25-2005, 12:48 AM
both things are unlikely to happen

Havok
06-25-2005, 12:48 AM
Both are as likely to happen since both will NEVER happen anyways.:p Roddick's clay game is superior to Nadal's grass game atm, but both will continue to suck on their respective worst surface, moreso Nadal I feel. Sorry but you can't go anywhere with a Dementieva type serve on grass courts on the mens side. Also he plays topspin tennis on grass.:retard: he will improve, as I think Andy will on clay but neither will come close to winning them.

NATAS81
06-25-2005, 12:54 AM
Both are as likely to happen since both will NEVER happen anyways.:p Roddick's clay game is superior to Nadal's grass game atm, but both will continue to suck on their respective worst surface, moreso Nadal I feel. Sorry but you can't go anywhere with a Dementieva type serve on grass courts on the mens side. Also he plays topspin tennis on grass.:retard: he will improve, as I think Andy will on clay but neither will come close to winning them.
Well he has alot more years to grow than Roddick, and give him the fact he leads the ATP in first serves in.

He doesn't have to get out of breath as much as his opponent from less serves to motion through.

He has more weapons than Roddick, and if his serve was averaging 125 MPH with his natural forehand kick he would be practially unstoppable along with Federer.

Havok
06-25-2005, 12:59 AM
DEATH. Put both men on a fast courts, and Roddick has way more weapons than Nadal does. Nadal has morw weapons on the clay than Andy does, obviously. Who cares about Nadal leading in first serve % in, he spins a whole lot of them in ala Anna Kournikova. She used to get like 80%+ first serves in, does that say much to you? Oh and we dont get tired from service motions.:retard: Nadal has to grind points out as he seems reluctant to smack flat forehands the more it goes, why I have no clue. His forehand is up there with the very best, but he sticks with his topspins which just makes rallies much more longer. Rafa has more variety than Andy, I'll give him that, but as I said before put them both on a fast court and Roddick has more weapons than the youngster does. He just knows how to play fast court tennis better than Nadal does as of now, though Nadal will quickly learn.:)

NATAS81
06-25-2005, 01:04 AM
I'll give you Roddick has more variety in the fact that he can hit different types of shots on the run better and can hit the lines just as good.

Nadal is way quicker than Roddick, you saw some of his shots as RG. He is the only one on tour to get to some of those.

Now put his Wimby loss in perspective, he lost 6-4 6-4 in the final sets. Not exactly run away sets. He hasn't played alot on grass and even Federer didn't adapt to grass that quickly.

It's the toughest surface to get used to unless you're from UK and thereabouts ala Murray, Henman. Henman is aging, but that is for a different breakdown. His career is a breakdown at this point so, lol.

Anyway, Nadal took sets off capable hard serving players on HC last year. The records say everything. It's all about matchups.

Nadal matches up well against anyone because he's a lefty, big spin, and quickest on tour.

But I agree Roddick vs Nadal on fast, Nadal's topspin wouldn't stand much of a chance vs. Roddick's serve game. If Nadal adds MPH it's alot more interesting as we all know.

azza
06-25-2005, 01:07 AM
i think a ahrder poll would be

Roddick winning the French and Henman winning Wimbledon

Havok
06-25-2005, 01:20 AM
Um, I said nadal has more variety than Roddick does. He's got way more topspin, can do a lot more with his shots due to him being a lefty and having an insane amount of spin on it, and he has the drop shot as uses it fairly well. Nadal is quicker than Andy, obviously. Much easier to be quicker than a 6'2 guy when you're shorter. Have no idea what his height is, but I know he isn't as tall as Andy is. Oh and about grass being the toughest to get used to, the exact same thing can be said about clay. Clay involves sliding into/out of shots, something people have a difficult time doing if they've never grown up on the surface.

NATAS81
06-25-2005, 01:22 AM
Have no idea what his height is, but I know he isn't as tall as Andy is..
6'1" 188 lbs :)
http://www.atptennis.com/en/players/playerprofiles/default2.asp?playersearch=Nadal

deliveryman
06-25-2005, 03:13 AM
Roddick's results have been completely dispicable on clay.

Uhh... Nadal's results on grass hasn't been exactly stellar, either.

Such a bias question to ask on this forum, because so many of you are anti-roddick regardless.

By no means of the imagination am I a Roddick fan.

You guys seem to be stuck on the fact that Nadal is 19, and he's going to improve. You act like Roddick is a 29 year-old guy on the decline. He's only 3 years older than Nadal, and has plenty of time to improve as well.

Fedex
06-25-2005, 03:28 AM
Sorry but you can't go anywhere with a Dementieva type serve on grass courts on the mens side.
Well, the serve will need improvement yes, but that's like saying Lopez needs to work on his topspin backhand; we all know he needs to improve that area, as well as work on his court positioning on grass. I think its a bit unfair to compare Nadal's serve to Dementieva's, because atleast Nadal does a good job of hitting a high 1st serve %. Dementieva struggles constantly to get her 2nd serves in play.

Fedex
06-25-2005, 03:30 AM
You act like Roddick is a 29 year-old guy on the decline. He's only 3 years older than Nadal, and has plenty of time to improve as well.
Yes, but you have to question whether Roddick is motivated enough to really improve on clay. You dont exactly hear Roddick saying that he really wants to win RG, like Nadal does with Wimbledon.

NATAS81
06-25-2005, 04:02 AM
Quality couple of posts, Fedex. :yeah:

deliveryman,

We're well aware of the age difference of Nadal and Roddick. Roddick has had a long distance between slam titles, and his best finish at RG was five years ago.

Nadal doesn't have as long of a history to draw from, so all we have to look at now are his attributes. Mainly, the speed, agility, stonewall mental focus. The kid has an outstanding will to win at such a young age.

Nobody is saying that Roddick is past his prime here, but Nadal's success this year has brought about major comparisons to the world's best players on all surfaces. That's all that is being focused on.

World Beater
06-25-2005, 04:32 AM
nadal wimbledon :)

like he said : all he needs to do is improve his serve, volley, and grass game!

erm, that is equivalent to andy saying he needs to improve his footwork, tactics and clay game.

World Beater
06-25-2005, 04:46 AM
Now put his Wimby loss in perspective, he lost 6-4 6-4 in the final sets. Not exactly run away sets.
.

Roddick was closer to winning his match. He was 2-0 up.

He hasn't played alot on grass and even Federer didn't adapt to grass that quickly.
.

He beat sampras when he was 18, where were you, on mars?



It's the toughest surface to get used to unless you're from UK and thereabouts ala Murray, Henman. Henman is aging, but that is for a different breakdown. His career is a breakdown at this point so, lol.
.

No, clay is harder. You need more weapons to succeed on clay.



Anyway, Nadal took sets off capable hard serving players on HC last year. The records say everything. It's all about matchups.
.



Roddick almost beat a claycourt specialist this year on clay. Nadal wasnt even close to beating a grass one.



Nadal matches up well against anyone because he's a lefty, big spin, and quickest on tour.
.

Roddick has the biggest serve. I reckon he matches up well with anyone.



But I agree Roddick vs Nadal on fast, Nadal's topspin wouldn't stand much of a chance vs. Roddick's serve game. If Nadal adds MPH it's alot more interesting as we all know.

They played not so long ago at the USO, and roddick was closer to beating him on clay than rafa was at the USO.

Chloe le Bopper
06-25-2005, 05:26 AM
erm, that is equivalent to andy saying he needs to improve his footwork, tactics and clay game.

Ferrero improved his serve dramatically. I see no reason that Rafa - who is a better athlete than Ferrero, imo - can't do the same. That doesn't mean he'll ever have the best serve on tour - Ferrero doesn't. But when he's on, it can be a decent weapon and get him some cheap points. It got him to the USO final.

YoursTruly
06-25-2005, 06:27 AM
Nadal winning Wimbledon is more likely to happen. When he plays on grass, especially during this Wimbledon, it wasn't that different from how he is on the hard courts and clay, which shows that he can play on it and get better. Some players games really look different and even go downhill when they transfer onto their weaker surface. Rafael's didn't really, except that the speed was faster on grass and there were points I saw where he was able to do his retrieving of the ball but because of the low bounce, there was no way to get it over the net. He just needs to work on the grass courts and he will.

World Beater
06-25-2005, 06:27 AM
Ferrero improved his serve dramatically. I see no reason that Rafa - who is a better athlete than Ferrero, imo - can't do the same. That doesn't mean he'll ever have the best serve on tour - Ferrero doesn't. But when he's on, it can be a decent weapon and get him some cheap points. It got him to the USO final.

who's serve is better? Hewitt or Ferrero?

I said nadal can develop his serve to be as effective as Hewitt. I consider hewitt to have a better serve than ferrero on everything except clay.

So yes no doubt, nadal can be as good as ferrero with respect to the serve. I think he will be much better though. He needs his serve do be in the hewitt league if he wants to do well on grass

World Beater
06-25-2005, 06:29 AM
okay, sorry. I must have said it in another thread.

BAMJ6
06-25-2005, 06:34 AM
Nadal man, he's got all his 20's to win Wimbledon, probably in the 2010's when Fed is at the latter part of his career.

Roddick on RG == Sampras in RG, enough said.

World Beater
06-25-2005, 06:47 AM
Nadal man, he's got all his 20's to win Wimbledon, probably in the 2010's when Fed is at the latter part of his career.

Roddick on RG == Sampras in RG, enough said.

roddick wishes that were true

Chloe le Bopper
06-25-2005, 06:58 AM
who's serve is better? Hewitt or Ferrero?

I said nadal can develop his serve to be as effective as Hewitt. I consider hewitt to have a better serve than ferrero on everything except clay.

So yes no doubt, nadal can be as good as ferrero with respect to the serve. I think he will be much better though. He needs his serve do be in the hewitt league if he wants to do well on grass
Gotcha!

nkhera1
06-25-2005, 08:07 AM
Or Joachim Johansson winning RG.

or nobody criticizing Andy Roddick for an hour

CooCooCachoo
06-25-2005, 08:09 AM
Nadal :p

nkhera1
06-25-2005, 08:09 AM
Also all of Roddick's losses on clay have been pretty close so he is not really that far behind. He made some stupid decisions regarding how he was going to play and hopefully he can work on it though I don't think Nadal will Wimbledon or that Roddick will win the FO.

Scotso
06-25-2005, 07:29 PM
There you go deliveryman, you have your answer. So stop trolling about this now.