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Muller def. Nadal 64 46 63 64

Five
06-23-2005, 03:45 PM
:tape:

tennischick
06-23-2005, 03:46 PM
still a respectable run by Nadal. he has nothing to be ashamed of. ;)

-wokkel-
06-23-2005, 03:47 PM
:tape:
Did u see the match??

It was a great match.. Really!

Well done Gilles!! :woohoo:

PaulieM
06-23-2005, 03:47 PM
congrats gilles, such a cutie :)

onewoman74
06-23-2005, 03:48 PM
Nadal OUT

Rogiman
06-23-2005, 03:48 PM
Thank you Gilles, for sending Porky home packing! :worship:

Fumus
06-23-2005, 03:48 PM
Awww...Rafa...someday you will win here. I promise...until then keeping giving people the finger.

JustmeUK
06-23-2005, 03:48 PM
respectable run?? out in the second round beating a Spadea who wasn't 100%. hmm.. hardly respectable for a 4th seed :p!

savesthedizzle
06-23-2005, 03:48 PM
Well done Gilles :yeah: I like both players... but grass is not Rafa's surface, so I'm very glad for Gilles.

Papakori
06-23-2005, 03:49 PM
:eek:

VingaRafel
06-23-2005, 03:49 PM
:sad: :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad:

C'est la vie!

HybridTheory
06-23-2005, 03:49 PM
Rafael :sad:
He'll do better next year !

tennischick
06-23-2005, 03:49 PM
respectable run?? out in the second round beating a Spadea who wasn't 100%. hmm.. hardly respectable for a 4th seed :p!
nice run for a dirt boy ;)

User ID 4783
06-23-2005, 03:50 PM
Henman and Nadal out, what a day

NYCtennisfan
06-23-2005, 03:51 PM
I was watching the scoreboard here at work. Muller's serve wasn't touched in that last set, especially the last 4 games or so. Was Muller playing really well?

noodles24
06-23-2005, 03:51 PM
Rafa couldn't do anything in the last set with Muller's serve. Ah well, he's always got men's doubles.

wahoosy
06-23-2005, 03:52 PM
The hard part for Nadal will be that the US Open courts play about as fast as the grass. It will help him that the balls bounce a little higher at the US Open though. But lets face it his only good hard court result has been on the slowest hard court in existence at Miami. There is still much to be proven. The bottom half of the draw is really opening up for Roddick. Practically no one left. Its starting to look like Grosjean will make another wimbledon semifinal.

Nadal Should be proud as hell though. He has had an amazing run. Now comes the tough part. He can't go back to play clay events this summer like last year. Its time to go against the big boys.

zethand
06-23-2005, 03:52 PM
Im so happy for Gilles!!!

LLeytonRules
06-23-2005, 03:52 PM
Nadal needs to improve that serve.I was dissapointed, i thought he would make it to the 4th round at least.

SwissMister1
06-23-2005, 03:52 PM
Muller's got a dangerous lefty serve, can do really well on the fast surfaces when's he is on, like at Legg Mason last year.

That being said, Richie will tear him apart next round.

martinatreue
06-23-2005, 03:53 PM
This is great news!!!!!! Rafa is gone!! :bounce: :banana:

Peetz
06-23-2005, 03:54 PM
Did u see the match??

It was a great match.. Really!

Well done Gilles!!

53 winners from Gilles :eek: :eek:

Good luck next round!

Castafiore
06-23-2005, 03:56 PM
:sad:
Well, after the fantastic season and the exhausting schedule he's been having...it's still a very good experience for him. Now, I hope that he can keep practising on the grass surface because I'm convinced that he can do great things in Wimbledon.

People are just going to have to give him time. The hype he has been getting was a bit much perhaps so this will calm things down a bit, hopefully.
Or as the French said on Stade 2: "laissez-lui grandir sur ce terrain".
It has taken Safin a long time to get used to grass and I just hope that people will be as patient with Nadal.

I just hope he doesn't get the same grief as Henin after her loss. The clay surface haters really went after her for losing in the 1st round.


Henman is out as well? Too bad. I can imagine the hatred he will be getting. I don't quite understand why so many people find joy in tearing apart a tennis player they don't like for some odd reason.

NicoFan
06-23-2005, 03:56 PM
Never hard of the guy - but then again, if they don't speak spanish, don't really care... lol!

Sad for Rafa. Sad for tennis. Rivalry between the top players is good, some guy name Muller is yawn time.

tangerine_dream
06-23-2005, 03:56 PM
Good run from Nadal anyway. At least he's trying and has shown interest in doing well at Wimbledon. :)

Now on to the hardcourts where he'll likely do more ass-picking damage.

Clara Bow
06-23-2005, 03:58 PM
Well, I am disappointed for Rafael. I really hoped that he would get a couple of wins under his belt. But I think he will learn from this, and will be able to improve his performance on faster surfaces in the future. And work on that serve.

It sounds like Muller did quite well, so good for him.

It has taken Safin a long time to get used to grass and I just hope that people will be as patient with Nadal.

I just hope he doesn't get the same grief as Henin after her loss. The clay surface haters really went after her for losing in the 1st round.


I totally agree.

aceit
06-23-2005, 03:59 PM
:sad: I wanted a 1986 rematch!

Chloe le Bopper
06-23-2005, 04:01 PM
Awww...Rafa...someday you will win here. I promise...until then keeping giving people the finger.
DOn't worry, he will ;)

LLeytonRules
06-23-2005, 04:01 PM
Rafa is 19 and has a grand slam under his belt.Not many can say that.He has time to improve.

Auscon
06-23-2005, 04:01 PM
Rafa couldve had this one, bp conversion killed him - 1/13

DDrago2
06-23-2005, 04:01 PM
What did I say - Nadal has no chance against grass court specialists, it was so obvious in his first match against Spadea.

He was even lucky not to come in hands of better player, such as LLondra for example, who would humiliate him.

Nadal is a clay-courter and it will remain extremely difficult for him to achieve anything on Wimbledon.

And those who said he had a great run should have their's heads checked, realy!

foul_dwimmerlaik
06-23-2005, 04:01 PM
Well, guess Rafa has to wait at least a year before becoming a new Borg. Pity.

Chloe le Bopper
06-23-2005, 04:03 PM
The hard part for Nadal will be that the US Open courts play about as fast as the grass. It will help him that the balls bounce a little higher at the US Open though. But lets face it his only good hard court result has been on the slowest hard court in existence at Miami. There is still much to be proven. The bottom half of the draw is really opening up for Roddick. Practically no one left. Its starting to look like Grosjean will make another wimbledon semifinal.

Nadal Should be proud as hell though. He has had an amazing run. Now comes the tough part. He can't go back to play clay events this summer like last year. Its time to go against the big boys.
He is playing the clay events after Wimbledon. Why shouldn't he? He'll still play the masters series in North America.

Rogiman
06-23-2005, 04:05 PM
I was watching the scoreboard here at work. Muller's serve wasn't touched in that last set, especially the last 4 games or so. Was Muller playing really well?

Nothing special, fine, I suppose...

Him being a lefty meant nothing of Nadal's usual lefty crap could make any impression on him, and everything Piggy tried came back at him twice as hard (which is not to imply it was exceptionally hard :lol: )

NicoFan
06-23-2005, 04:05 PM
Nadal is a clay-courter and it will remain extremely difficult for him to achieve anything on Wimbledon.


I can't wait until he proves people who say things like this totally wrong!

Took Borg two years after winning his first French to win Wimbledon.

And Borg will go down as one of the best in tennis ever.

He's only 19.

Give him a break.

And grass is an irrelevant surface anyway....MOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

Chloe le Bopper
06-23-2005, 04:05 PM
What did I say - Nadal has no chance against grass court specialists, it was so obvious in his first match against Spadea.

He was even lucky not to come in hands of better player, such as LLondra for example, who would humiliate him.

Nadal is a clay-courter and it will remain extremely difficult for him to achieve anything on Wimbledon.

And those who said he had a great run should have their's heads checked, realy!
I assume the great run reference were refering to his season so far - not his grasscourt season.

People who think that he's already good as he's ever going to be are the ones who need their heads checked. There are few things more silly than people who think a 19 year old Grand Slam Champ has stagnated.

LLeytonRules
06-23-2005, 04:06 PM
I saw the stats, someone was right, 1 out of 13 in terms of break chances, thats not good.

Geniey2g
06-23-2005, 04:06 PM
Henman and Nadal out, what a day
*sighs*
What a day indeed. A crap one. I feel so flat right now- COME ON, ANDY!!! :D

zubzy
06-23-2005, 04:07 PM
he's still young, so many more wimbledons to play still. he probably needs to adapt to the faster surface.

Fumus
06-23-2005, 04:07 PM
DOn't worry, he will ;)

:hug: :)

Chloe le Bopper
06-23-2005, 04:07 PM
Well done Gilles :yeah: I like both players... but grass is not Rafa's surface, so I'm very glad for Gilles.
It's not his surface... yet. :)

NYCtennisfan
06-23-2005, 04:08 PM
Well, Nadal has improved his serve dramatically. Last year at the USO against Roddick, he was serving the 1st serves at about 102-108 mph which of course is quite weak but I think he might've had an injury bothering him. He is serving much harder now, but the second serve is still a weak spot.

I didn't see the match but I see that Nadal was 1/13 on BP's. Did Muller play really well on those BP's or did Nadal just not convert? This is the first time in a long time that Nadal didn't win the big points.

Chloe le Bopper
06-23-2005, 04:08 PM
I saw the stats, someone was right, 1 out of 13 in terms of break chances, thats not good.
Maybe Muller played the bps really well?

Fumus
06-23-2005, 04:09 PM
I assume the great run reference were refering to his season so far - not his grasscourt season.

People who think that he's already good as he's ever going to be are the ones who need their heads checked. There are few things more silly than people who think a 19 year old Grand Slam Champ has stagnated.


Or a 22yr old Grand Slam Champ for that matter. :) (Andy Roddick)

LLeytonRules
06-23-2005, 04:09 PM
My day would be completed with a Roddick upset :)

Alvarillo
06-23-2005, 04:09 PM
at least Rafa tries to play better on grass other RG Champions prefer to have a month of holidays ....
great match from Gilles ! :)

good luck agaisnt Gasquet !

Chloe le Bopper
06-23-2005, 04:09 PM
Or a 22yr old Grand Slam Champ for that matter. :) (Andy Roddick)
It's more absurd in Nadal's case ;)

lucashg
06-23-2005, 04:09 PM
I just hope he doesn't get the same grief as Henin after her loss. The clay surface haters really went after her for losing in the 1st round.

What? I think she has proved that she can play well on grass, 1 F and 2 SF appearences, it's not something many fastcourters can say out there. Plus, her game is really suited to grass - she just got outplayed by a great grasscourter who had beaten her in the past on the same surface and she wasn't fully fit nor healthy and had no preparation at all. The clay haters cannot compare Justine to Nadal, he's yet to prove he can do well on grass.

Back to the topic, I kinda expected for him to at least reach R32, but seems like Muller played a great match. He has much time and room to improve on his game to do well on faster surfaces, but whoever thought he was gonna do a Bjorn Borg this year was just :o

Fumus
06-23-2005, 04:11 PM
It's more absurd in Nadal's case ;)

touche' :)

LaTenista
06-23-2005, 04:12 PM
Nadal Should be proud as hell though. He has had an amazing run. Now comes the tough part. He can't go back to play clay events this summer like last year. Its time to go against the big boys.

Unfortunately, I believe Rafa has committed to Bastaad (Swedish Open) & Umag. Only hard court tourneys he's playing are Montreal, Cincy, & US Open. :mad: He's a smart guy, he should know, especially after today's loss, he needs to keep working on fast surfaces and not go back to the slow clay, which honestly I can only see hindering him even further at this point. I don't care if he's supposed to play doubles in Sweden with Monaco or not, the young man needs to get himself to North America for the rest of the summer!

That said, I'm hoping Feli can give Rafa some tips before their next doubles match.

Clara Bow
06-23-2005, 04:12 PM
I saw the stats, someone was right, 1 out of 13 in terms of break chances, thats not good.

Wow- yeah, he does need to work on that.

There are few things more silly than people who think a 19 year old Grand Slam Champ has stagnated.
Exactly!

lucashg
06-23-2005, 04:13 PM
Unfortunately, I believe Rafa has committed to Bastaad (Swedish Open) & Umag. Only hard court tourneys he's playing are Montreal, Cincy, & US Open. :mad: He's a smart guy, he should know, especially after today's loss, he needs to keep working on fast surfaces and not go back to the slow clay, which honestly I can only see hindering him even further at this point. I don't care if he's supposed to play doubles in Sweden with Monaco or not, the young man needs to get himself to North America for the rest of the summer!

That said, I'm hoping Feli can give Rafa some tips before their next doubles match.

Wasn't he supposed to play in Gstaad also?

DDrago2
06-23-2005, 04:13 PM
I assume the great run reference were refering to his season so far - not his grasscourt season.

People who think that he's already good as he's ever going to be are the ones who need their heads checked. There are few things more silly than people who think a 19 year old Grand Slam Champ has stagnated.

You realy have problems with logic, do you? Everyone improves, but no one can become something else than what he is. Nadal can't become another player - he is more or less what he is, we see his game, he is never going to be something else. He will improve, yes, everyone is improving, but he will never be a force on the grass. Federer ousted an in-form Sampras on grass when he was 18, remember? Hewitt and Nalbandian were also a force on Wimbledon very young etc. Yes, Nadal is a clay-corter, and line my words: he will never be even as good as Agassi was on Wimbledon.

And I am not speaking about Borg, but about Nadal.

alexito
06-23-2005, 04:14 PM
no problem rafa, good job.
nadal no good in wimbledon
federer no good in RG
nobody is perfect

deliveryman
06-23-2005, 04:15 PM
This once again proves only one thing when comparing Roger and Nadal.

There's no comparasion.

Like I said before, once Nadal starts winning Queens or Halle on a consistent basis and reaches at least the semi's of Wimbledon, can you even start comparing him with Federer.

LLeytonRules
06-23-2005, 04:15 PM
Hopefully Nadal will not be label a grinder.He needs to generate some racquet speed on his serve.

Castafiore
06-23-2005, 04:15 PM
What? I think she has proved that she can play well on grass, 1 F and 2 SF appearences, it's not something many fastcourters can say out there.

Well, yes...I agree but tell that to the clay surface haters. Not really on this board but on other boards, people were having a :banana: party after her defeat.
Henin has already proven that she can do well on grass. In the press, she said that she had too little practice on the grass surface before coming to Wimbledon. Nadal had a similar problem: too little experience. Give him time.

He is still so young and he's already achieved so many things. It's too soon to tell how well he can do on grass but he has plenty of years to improve and at least, he has the ambition and the willpower to adapt to this surface.

Exodus
06-23-2005, 04:18 PM
Im not surprised at all on other surfaces besides clay Nadal is pretty ordinary, not a threat to Federer or any other top players!

ClaycourtaZzZz.
06-23-2005, 04:19 PM
Rogiman, where's alexito when we need him for some great posts?;)

tropicana978
06-23-2005, 04:19 PM
itz sad to see nadal go. i didnt even get to watch his match here in the US. :( oh wellz...still luv him!

NYCtennisfan
06-23-2005, 04:20 PM
You realy have problems with logic, do you? Everyone improves, but no one can become something else than what he is. Nadal can't become another player - he is more or less what he is, we see his game, he is never going to be something else. He will improve, yes, everyone is improving, but he will never be a force on the grass. Federer ousted an in-form Sampras on grass when he was 18, remember? Hewitt and Nalbandian were also a force on Wimbledon very young etc. Yes, Nadal is a clay-corter, and line my words: he will never be even as good as Agassi was on Wimbledon.

And I am not speaking about Borg, but about Nadal.

This might prove to be true and I would say it would certainly be true about 15 years ago but with the new type of grass, improvement is possible.

Agassi actually had a great career at Wimbledon once he started to play so if Nadal can have Agassi type results, I am sure he would be happy with them. That goes for almost all the players out there.

rofe
06-23-2005, 04:20 PM
I did watch a bit of the match and all I can say is Nadal's game currently is not suited for grass. He really needs to work on his serve and his serve and volley game to be a force to reckon with. He made a match of this one only because he has incredible guts.

savesthedizzle
06-23-2005, 04:21 PM
It's not his surface... yet. :)

Right :) I mean... Rafa had his chances against Gilles. Seeing as he's now played a grand total of 3 matches on grass in the last two years, it'll just take a little time for him to figure out how to adjust his game. He's young though... he has time :)

Chloe le Bopper
06-23-2005, 04:21 PM
You realy have problems with logic, do you?

Actually, logic is my specialty.

Frankly, based on the following:

Everyone improves, but no one can become something else than what he is. Nadal can't become another player - he is more or less what he is, we see his game, he is never going to be something else. He will improve, yes, everyone is improving, but he will never be a force on the grass. Federer ousted an in-form Sampras on grass when he was 18, remember? Hewitt and Nalbandian were also a force on Wimbledon very young etc. Yes, Nadal is a clay-corter, and line my words: he will never be even as good as Agassi was on Wimbledon.

Me thinks that you have some comprehension issues, because I never said anything that would have elicited this ridiculous response. If not comprehension issues, you just like quoting people and posting things that are irrelevant to their points.

Just to help you out, I've bolded the only part of this paragraph that had anything to do with what I was saying :D

And I am not speaking about Borg, but about Nadal.

That's nice. I wasn't speaking about Borg either, my King of logic.

Next time you want to condescend me, try responding to the things that I actually said, and not going on a ridiculous tangent as if you've refuted something that I said :retard:

ClaycourtaZzZz.
06-23-2005, 04:21 PM
no problem rafa, good job.
nadal no good in wimbledon
federer no good in RG
nobody is perfect
here he's, haha
Federer just was in the semis so bitchy was only in 2nd r... so much for that..!

LaTenista
06-23-2005, 04:21 PM
Wasn't he supposed to play in Gstaad also?

Impossible. Bastaad and Gstaad are the same week. Not to mention if he really wants to play that week, he could go play some more on grass in Newport, Rhode Island.

Chloe le Bopper
06-23-2005, 04:22 PM
Hopefully Nadal will not be label a grinder.He needs to generate some racquet speed on his serve.


Nadal was labelled a grinder the moment that people saw ESP beside his name.

Chloe le Bopper
06-23-2005, 04:23 PM
This once again proves only one thing when comparing Roger and Nadal.

There's no comparasion.

Like I said before, once Nadal starts winning Queens or Halle on a consistent basis and reaches at least the semi's of Wimbledon, can you even start comparing him with Federer.

Anybody who responds to alexito seriously deserves a bad rep. Sadly, I can not give you one right now. Maybe next time.

rue
06-23-2005, 04:23 PM
I am disappointed that he lost, but he himself did not even give himself a chance to get far at Wimbledon. He is still young and he will learn from this. I just wanted him to play Gasquet, but I guess it won't happen this time around.

Castafiore
06-23-2005, 04:24 PM
Why bring in Federer at this point?

Of course Federer still stands out but give Nadal a break: he's only just turned 19!
Nadal can beat Federer on clay. That's a given.
He can beat him on hardcourt if he plays very well and Federer plays good but not on his best level (give Rafa time on this surface as well)
He can't beat Federer on grass but it's really too soon to tell if Rafael will ever be able to do that. Most tennis commentators seem to think he can adapt to the surface but clay will probably always be his very best surface (as is the case with Henin).

lucashg
06-23-2005, 04:25 PM
Well, yes...I agree but tell that to the clay surface haters. Not really on this board but on other boards, people were having a :banana: party after her defeat.
Henin has already proven that she can do well on grass. In the press, she said that she had too little practice on the grass surface before coming to Wimbledon. Nadal had a similar problem: too little experience. Give him time.

Well, you know they're partying because she is the main threat to anybody, no matter what they say. :devil:

He is still so young and he's already achieved so many things. It's too soon to tell how well he can do on grass but he has plenty of years to improve and at least, he has the ambition and the willpower to adapt to this surface.

I definitely think he will improve and do better in Wimbledon and on faster surfaces overall the next few years, I'm not so sure about big titles just yet. I barely watched him on fast surfaces like indoor hard and carpet, and this was the first match I've seen of him on grass, he wasn't so bad, it just his game is not suited to the surface and he was playing a good opponent today.

Well, time will tell.

vincayou
06-23-2005, 04:25 PM
I was expecting him to reach next round for a rematch with Gasquet. I was hoping richie would improve his head to head record against Rafa.
It seems that Nadal is not a force yet on grass, I'm a bit surprised that he failed at the first difficult hurdle. Muller is no push over though.

deliveryman
06-23-2005, 04:25 PM
I don't know why everyone's suprised.

You can expect more or less the same results from Nadal in 3 out of the 4 slams.

God I just want Roger to play Nadal on grass, although it's never going to happen. If for some miracle it does, Roger would bend him over and penetrate depths so far up Nadal's ass, he wouldn't know what hit him.

Then I'd create tons of new threads entitled, "Nadal is depressed." "Nadal is washed up," etc.

LLeytonRules
06-23-2005, 04:27 PM
I am rooting for Nadal to improve, tennis needs a guy like Nadal.He reminds me of my favorite player, LLeyton Hewitt although not polished enough.

uNIVERSE mAN
06-23-2005, 04:29 PM
still a respectable run by Nadal. he has nothing to be ashamed of. ;)

didn't know winning one match was called a run.

NYCtennisfan
06-23-2005, 04:30 PM
God I just want Roger to play Nadal on grass, although it's never going to happen. If for some miracle it does, Roger would bend him over and penetrate depths so far up Nadal's ass, he wouldn't know what hit him.

Yikes!

LaTenista
06-23-2005, 04:34 PM
I don't know why everyone's suprised.

You can expect more or less the same results from Nadal in 3 out of the 4 slams.


Hmmm. How soon it is forgotten that Rafa took Hewitt to 5 sets in the 3rd or 4th round of AO this year.

lucashg
06-23-2005, 04:35 PM
Anybody who responds to alexito seriously deserves a bad rep. Sadly, I can not give you one right now. Maybe next time.

It's not like he's the only one who compares Nadal to Federer seriously. Not the only one who says he's bound to be #1 soon enough, among other things.

DDrago2
06-23-2005, 04:35 PM
Chloe, give me a break. I read your post again: "I assume the great run reference were refering to his season so far - not his grasscourt season." - what is the point of referencing to his clay-court season in this moment?

And his improving is obviously linked with idea that he can be a serious competitor and one of the favourites for Wimbledon... If that's not what you wanted to say, why did you say it then in this moment?

Don't try to hide what is obvious - you are one of those who would like Nadal to be more than he will ever be... It's not wise. Check what happened with some Rodick fans.

lucashg
06-23-2005, 04:38 PM
Hmmm. How soon it is forgotten that Rafa took Hewitt to 5 sets in the 3rd or 4th round of AO this year.

Apparently, AO and Miami are clay tournaments wearing hardcourt outfits. :p

Seriously though, the toughest GS for him is Wimbledon. I expect him to do better at the USO and much better on Rebound Ace.

uNIVERSE mAN
06-23-2005, 04:42 PM
Chloe, do a lot of spaniards end their comments with a "no?"

mangoes
06-23-2005, 04:46 PM
wowow.......I'm sad he lost. Andy must have done a little celebration dance.

lucashg
06-23-2005, 04:48 PM
wowow.......I'm sad he lost. Andy must have done a little celebration dance.

Why? :confused:
I seriously don't think so.

mickymouse
06-23-2005, 04:50 PM
wowow.......I'm sad he lost. Andy must have done a little celebration dance.

Andy would have beaten him without a sweat with his big serve

mangoes
06-23-2005, 04:50 PM
Why? :confused:
I seriously don't think so.


Well he said in some interview that the person he was most worried about in his side of the draw was Nadal.

savesthedizzle
06-23-2005, 04:54 PM
Well he said in some interview that the person he was most worried about in his side of the draw was Nadal.

Andy must have been on crack that day with Grosjean and Henman in his quarter, let alone half.

Although he doesn't have to worry about Henman anymore.

Not to mention Mirnyi and Nalbandian also being bigger threats than Rafa on grass. :shrug:

ugotlobbed
06-23-2005, 04:57 PM
wat happened?

NYCtennisfan
06-23-2005, 04:57 PM
wowow.......I'm sad he lost. Andy must have done a little celebration dance.

Doubt it. I think Roddick is only thinking about Federer or maybe Hewitt right now.

willie
06-23-2005, 05:11 PM
oh, bad tournament for rafa, sure it will be better next time

nermo
06-23-2005, 05:14 PM
It has taken Safin a long time to get used to grass and I just hope that people will be as patient with Nadal.
I just hope he doesn't get the same grief as Henin after her loss. The clay surface haters really went after her for losing in the 1st round.posted by C.Fiore :angel:

well, almost everyone knows that Nadal still has a looong way to go with grass, so his early getting out of This Wimbledon was expected sooner or later ( at least by wise guys)..
the truth, Nadal was really struggling out there,..the kid was fighting to get normal points and losing here is just the normal outcome for this unease he 'sfeeling , it wasnt thaaat great run..but it was about fighting , learning and gaining experience...Today 's match indicates there are lots of things need lots of work by him on Grass, one of them is his net and volley games points ..that's true ..but its equal to the truth..that improving is a normal pathway of life ...and still, its so unwise and unfair to eat the kid alive..at least it's not his last grass season .. ;) ...and
Again it's so unwise and unfair to expect miracles from a human..
yes, there're lots of sad fans right now(including me)..but now it's all about wise and consistent improvement ....so....Comooon Rafael.. i am sure what happened today is for your best InshAllAH..keep going.. :yeah:

Fergie
06-23-2005, 05:15 PM
Well done Gilles :bounce:

Deivid23
06-23-2005, 05:16 PM
Deserved win for Muller, he came up with big serves when it counted and played a good match, well done.

Rafa didnīt play bad and this loss wonīt be such a bad thing for him, he will learn from it and will try to improve his weak parts of the game as time goes by.

mitalidas
06-23-2005, 05:20 PM
wowow.......I'm sad he lost. Andy must have done a little celebration dance.


on the contrary
I'm sure rodick would have liked to see him on grass with full belief that he would tutor him on HIS turf

Neely
06-23-2005, 05:26 PM
Rafa :sad:

mitalidas
06-23-2005, 05:27 PM
didn't know winning one match was called a run.

:lol:

Lourdes
06-23-2005, 05:32 PM
Still a respectable showing and run, with more experience on the surface. Good going Rafael.

onewoman74
06-23-2005, 05:57 PM
Why bring in Federer at this point?

Of course Federer still stands out but give Nadal a break: he's only just turned 19!
Nadal can beat Federer on clay. That's a given.
He can beat him on hardcourt if he plays very well and Federer plays good but not on his best level (give Rafa time on this surface as well)
He can't beat Federer on grass but it's really too soon to tell if Rafael will ever be able to do that. Most tennis commentators seem to think he can adapt to the surface but clay will probably always be his very best surface (as is the case with Henin).

Is Sharapova in the building? just wondering...excuses :rolleyes:

Seraphim
06-23-2005, 05:59 PM
didn't he make it to the third round before?

Seleshfan
06-23-2005, 06:04 PM
Still a respectable showing and run, with more experience on the surface. Good going Rafael.

Can we really call one 1st round loss on grass in Halle, and one 2nd round loss on grass at Wimby a run? I'd call it a brisk walk, cut short.

LaTenista
06-23-2005, 06:09 PM
on the contrary
I'm sure rodick would have liked to see him on grass with full belief that he would tutor him on HIS turf

I believe Roddick already schooled Nadal at the US Open last year. At least one bagel was involved if I remember correctly. :eek:

LaTenista
06-23-2005, 06:10 PM
didn't he make it to the third round before?

Yeah, in 2003. The year before he made the Semis of Wimby junior. ;)

joeb_uk
06-23-2005, 06:14 PM
Rafa :sad:
I saw muller a week or so ago in queens and to be honest, he was impressive at all. Apart from a big serve he had nothing when i saw him :shrug:

A loss to muller and waske doesnt show much for nadals grass court abilities :eek:

NYCtennisfan
06-23-2005, 06:17 PM
I saw muller a week or so ago in queens and to be honest, he was impressive at all. Apart from a big serve he had nothing when i saw him

A loss to muller and waske doesnt show much for nadals grass court abilities

That's the thing that makes me doubt Nadal's chances here in the future again, a long way to go. Waske and Muller have not really done anything until they played Nadal. I'm interested in how Nadal will do on the faster summer hardcourts.

joeb_uk
06-23-2005, 06:20 PM
That's the thing that makes me doubt Nadal's chances here in the future again, a long way to go. Waske and Muller have not really done anything until they played Nadal. I'm interested in how Nadal will do on the faster summer hardcourts.
I think he will do well on hard, but in terms of grass court tennis i think he is probably a preety average player. But it seems he wants to do well on the surface, so he will always improve.

Nimomunz
06-23-2005, 06:21 PM
Rafael :sad:
He'll do better next year !
probably not!! :devil:

Castafiore
06-23-2005, 06:22 PM
Nadal said in an interview that Muller had a good, strong service every game and he himself didn't have a good day and you need a good day to respond to good services.

He also said that he needs to go out and play on grass because he realises that he needs more experience on the surface. He said that he needs to improve his serve and his volley and his general level on grass.

The loss in Halle doesn't prove much because he had a hand injury, he had problems with his fitness (playing only three days after his win in RG).
This match: I don't think the difference was that big in this match, though. He had a number of break points himself but he could practically never turn them into a winner. So, that'll improve with practice.

No idea if he will ever be a good grass player but he also said in the interview that he likes to play on grass, that he feels good on it and that he likes London and the Wimbledon tournament a lot.

Seraphim
06-23-2005, 06:23 PM
The year before he made the Semis of Wimby junior. ;)

I didn't know that. Good to know though.

richard gasquet
06-23-2005, 06:32 PM
I was expecting him to reach next round for a rematch with Gasquet. I was hoping richie would improve his head to head record against Rafa.
It seems that Nadal is not a force yet on grass, I'm a bit surprised that he failed at the first difficult hurdle. Muller is no push over though.

Think the same.

rafael wasted so many occasions in this match, muller played well but making also many errors.

Congrats to muller who took the occasions when he had to.

Nimomunz
06-23-2005, 06:34 PM
on the contrary
I'm sure rodick would have liked to see him on grass with full belief that he would tutor him on HIS turf
i totally agree!!

Nimomunz
06-23-2005, 06:34 PM
Can we really call one 1st round loss on grass in Halle, and one 2nd round loss on grass at Wimby a run? I'd call it a brisk walk, cut short.
a stroll maybe? :wavey:

Seleshfan
06-23-2005, 06:37 PM
a stroll maybe? :wavey:

Well, I was going to say stroll, but I didn't want to put the "troll" in stroll.

Fedex
06-23-2005, 07:25 PM
Nadal has nothing to be ashamed of here. Muller has a good all around game, and any advantage that Nadal usually has with his forehand is neutralized to an extent because Muller is a lefty as well. 11 aces from Nadal is a bit suprising; he certainly cant complain about his serving today.

Fedex
06-23-2005, 07:26 PM
Although I must say I am a bit dissapointed because I wanted to see Nadal play Gasquet on grass.

Fedex
06-23-2005, 07:34 PM
no problem rafa, good job.
nadal no good in wimbledon
federer no good in RG
nobody is perfect
I woulden't describe Federer as 'no good' at RG. He did make the semis and lost to the hottest player on the surface at the time, so he did well. He might win it someday.

LaTenista
06-23-2005, 07:58 PM
Although I must say I am a bit dissapointed because I wanted to see Nadal play Gasquet on grass.

Me too! I'm hoping to see Gasquet beat Muller on Saturday so I can feel a bit better about Nadal's loss.

Dirk
06-23-2005, 08:02 PM
I knew Muller would win because he has the better game than Nadal on faster surfaces. Now watch Muller take out Richard. :haha:

Billabong
06-23-2005, 08:08 PM
Muller:banana::woohoo: well done man:yeah:!!!!!!!!!

lina_seta
06-23-2005, 08:08 PM
now what do nadal fans have to say now?? they r always sooo sure of his success
*laughing evil inside* muahaha! hhmmm i just had to c ppl's expression

savesthedizzle
06-23-2005, 08:15 PM
now what do nadal fans have to say now?? they r always sooo sure of his success
*laughing evil inside* muahaha! hhmmm i just had to c ppl's expression


Well normal Nadal fans, like myself, I don't think are too shocked by this. I even put vCash on Muller.

But do I believe that there are better Wimbledons in his future? Yes.

Scotso
06-23-2005, 08:32 PM
Rafael :(

Scotso
06-23-2005, 08:33 PM
now what do nadal fans have to say now?? they r always sooo sure of his success
*laughing evil inside* muahaha! hhmmm i just had to c ppl's expression

Grow up.

Scotso
06-23-2005, 08:34 PM
respectable run?? out in the second round beating a Spadea who wasn't 100%. hmm.. hardly respectable for a 4th seed :p!

Considering he did as well as the grass-specialist Henman, who really should have lost in the first round, I'd say it was a decent run.

Castafiore
06-23-2005, 08:46 PM
Maybe I'm not a typical Nadal fan (I don't know) but I'm not surprised. I took every game as it came. I wouldn't have been surprised to see him leave after only one round so I was very happy with that victory.
Would I have loved to see him go further than round 2? Sure.
Did I expect him to win? Hell no!

I also think that Nadal was wise enough to realise that his chances were minimal and he downplayed it in every interview.

He has so little experience on the surface compared to clay (or even hardcoart) and he knows very well (judging by his interviews) that he needs more practice on it.

Article on the official Wimbledon site (http://www.wimbledon.org/en_GB/news/articles/2005-06-23/200506231119551137443.html)
:)

Chloe le Bopper
06-23-2005, 09:43 PM
now what do nadal fans have to say now?? they r always sooo sure of his success
*laughing evil inside* muahaha! hhmmm i just had to c ppl's expression
Funny, I don't remember seeing this after Roger got his ass handed to him at RG. And there is no fanbase more arrogant and obnoxious than the Fed fans (and yes, he wins a lot, but the arrogance looks mighty silly the 5 or so times that he actually does lose :devil: The only one who should be arrogant is him).

I thought Rafa would lost in the third round, troll.

You better believe that I'll be around to mock you after Roger's next loss.... not that I expect it to occur anytime soon. Fed fans reading this - don't wonder why when Roger loses there are MOCKING threads. Tools like this who could probably use a good vibrator are just asking for them.

People in glass houses and all that...

Fuck you, troll :)

Chloe le Bopper
06-23-2005, 09:48 PM
Although I must say I am a bit dissapointed because I wanted to see Nadal play Gasquet on grass.

So did I. In fact, that's the only reason I'm dissapointed about this loss. Grass would have favoured Gasquet. I was saying the entire time he was losing to get his shit together so that he could take his loss to Gasquet like a man :p

Chloe le Bopper
06-23-2005, 09:49 PM
I knew Muller would win because he has the better game than Nadal on faster surfaces. Now watch Muller take out Richard. :haha:

I'm of two mindsets here... I don't want that to happen. I'd like Richard to go further and have his first big slam run. But it would crush a few of the assholes in this thread. So this is sort of win-win for me :devil:

Chloe le Bopper
06-23-2005, 09:51 PM
Considering he did as well as the grass-specialist Henman, who really should have lost in the first round, I'd say it was a decent run.

:yeah:

Chloe le Bopper
06-23-2005, 09:52 PM
Maybe I'm not a typical Nadal fan (I don't know) but I'm not surprised. I took every game as it came. I wouldn't have been surprised to see him leave after only one round so I was very happy with that victory.
Would I have loved to see him go further than round 2? Sure.
Did I expect him to win? Hell no!

I also think that Nadal was wise enough to realise that his chances were minimal and he downplayed it in every interview.

He has so little experience on the surface compared to clay (or even hardcoart) and he knows very well (judging by his interviews) that he needs more practice on it.

Article on the official Wimbledon site (http://www.wimbledon.org/en_GB/news/articles/2005-06-23/200506231119551137443.html)
:)


You are typical. I don't know of many Nadal fans who expected him to get past the third round. I think that many of us though he could beat Muller, but ultimately it appears he was outplayed. Good for Muller :)

The only people who think you aren't typical are well, Fed trolls/Nadal HATAS. LIke Lina Seta, who I assure you, is not a "typical" Fed fan. It's just unfortuante that there are so many of them like her :)

GoranIvanisevic546346
06-23-2005, 10:21 PM
No suprise here, Nadal is contender only on clay courts and slow-hard courts.

Clara Bow
06-23-2005, 11:23 PM
Maybe I'm not a typical Nadal fan (I don't know) but I'm not surprised. I took every game as it came. I wouldn't have been surprised to see him leave after only one round so I was very happy with that victory.
Would I have loved to see him go further than round 2? Sure.
Did I expect him to win? Hell no!

I also think that Nadal was wise enough to realise that his chances were minimal and he downplayed it in every interview.

He has so little experience on the surface compared to clay (or even hardcoart) and he knows very well (judging by his interviews) that he needs more practice on it.



I agree with Rebecca in that I think your attitude is the most typical of most Nadal fans, well at least it is typical for me. :)

I was nervous in the first match and nervous today. And while I thought that he could get to the third round (where I thought he would very likely lose to Gasquet) I was not shocked when he lost today. Disappointed, very...but not utterly surprised.

I have read in one of his interviews from the Madrid stopover that this year the training focus has been on clay, in preparation for RG. But that he hopes to now (a.k.a. at Wimbleon) and in the future to get more experience on the grass so he can learn how to do well in the future.

But what I have really liked have been his interviews after the match. He now seems to really want to practice on grass and more than ever improve the aspects of his game that will help him. He even said that he would like to build a grass court in Mallorca (wouldn't it then be the only grass court in Spain?) I love that he said that he will want to win Wimbledon until the day he retires and that this loss seems to have even further motivated him to that goal.

Will he ever win and develop the game needed to win? I have no idea. I do think he will improve parts of his game that will allow him to perform better here in the future, though still don't know is he will ever be champ here. But one think I can be sure of is I think he will always have the deep desire to win at Wimbledon and will in the future really make the effort to get better. And his desire when he plays is one of the reason why I have become such a fan of his. I love that Nadal is really aware of what it would mean for a Spaniard to win here.

Bilbo
06-23-2005, 11:28 PM
i'm surprised nadal gets so much attention even on grass. i mean come on he lost to muller. not that muller is not a great player but 9 pages for this crap perfomance of nadal? :tape:

lina_seta
06-23-2005, 11:39 PM
The only people who think you aren't typical are well, Fed trolls/Nadal HATAS. LIke Lina Seta, who I assure you, is not a "typical" Fed fan. It's just unfortuante that there are so many of them like her :)

te toco el alma didnt it? HA ;) weno antes de usar la palabra f te joder.. tu

ppl like urself and those (NOT ALL) extreme-nadal-fans make ppl like me, who dislike those FANS (cuz im not a nadal hater, only of some of his fans)

well i havent mentioned federer if u c only the other nadal fans did.... ohhmm plus u dont make sense ur like "i'll mock roger's lost" then "not that it will happen anytime soon" plus and contra, plus and contra..???
u do try hard to not be biased, well u cant

and i only refer to fans like alexito that put nadal in roger's level but when nadal loses to an easier opponent its normal, but when roger lose to an easy opponent its the end of the world... then how can that be at the same level?

LAST but not least! thats what i think "MUAHAHA" why cant i express it? :p
ppl just can take it, a sincere comment

Scotso
06-23-2005, 11:43 PM
Is that english?

lina_seta
06-23-2005, 11:45 PM
Considering he did as well as the grass-specialist Henman, who really should have lost in the first round, I'd say it was a decent run.

fact is he lost in second round... and its not good to compare with the worst... i mean in this case henman didnt have what we can call a decent run for a grass courter

Deivid23
06-23-2005, 11:50 PM
te toco el alma didnt it? HA ;)

ppl like urself and those (NOT ALL) extreme-nadal-fans make ppl like me, who dislike those FANS (cuz im not a nadal hater, only of some of his fans)

well i havent mentioned federer if u c only the other nadal fans did.... ohhmm plus u dont make sense ur like "i'll mock roger's lost" then "not that it will happen anytime soon" plus and contra, plus and contra..???
u do try hard to not be biased, well u cant

and i only refer to fans like alexito that put nadal in roger's level but when nadal loses to an easier opponent its normal, but when roger lose to an easy opponent its the end of the world... then how can that be at the same level?

LAST but not least! thats what i think "MUAHAHA" why cant i express it? :p
ppl just can take it, a sincere comment


Itīs too late for children to be awaken isnīt it? :rolleyes:

Nimomunz
06-24-2005, 01:33 AM
Funny, I don't remember seeing this after Roger got his ass handed to him at RG. And there is no fanbase more arrogant and obnoxious than the Fed fans (and yes, he wins a lot, but the arrogance looks mighty silly the 5 or so times that he actually does lose :devil: The only one who should be arrogant is him).

I thought Rafa would lost in the third round, troll.

You better believe that I'll be around to mock you after Roger's next loss.... not that I expect it to occur anytime soon. Fed fans reading this - don't wonder why when Roger loses there are MOCKING threads. Tools like this who could probably use a good vibrator are just asking for them.

People in glass houses and all that...

Fuck you, troll :)
quite honestly your obsession with nadal is a tad annoying he's good at clay and he lost in wimbledon!! you expected it so expect those of us who arent fans to gloat.............thats how shit happens! deal with it!
I'm not a roger fan but it irritates me that you are talking about that loss in rg on clay to this loss on grass against a much weaker oponent ...........grow up, as you know noone not even federer is immune to defeat............now lets see how mature you are to take this defeat as a fan and move the fuck on!!!!!!!!!!
dont worry maybe he'll bounce back and be good on other surfaces, but now he's a claycourter(Miami et al are SLOW hard courts) and your inability to let us tell you that is um, quite immature!!

Chris Seahorse
06-24-2005, 01:35 AM
I agree with Rebecca in that I think your attitude is the most typical of most Nadal fans, well at least it is typical for me. :)

I was nervous in the first match and nervous today. And while I thought that he could get to the third round (where I thought he would very likely lose to Gasquet) I was not shocked when he lost today. Disappointed, very...but not utterly surprised.

I have read in one of his interviews from the Madrid stopover that this year the training focus has been on clay, in preparation for RG. But that he hopes to now (a.k.a. at Wimbleon) and in the future to get more experience on the grass so he can learn how to do well in the future.

But what I have really liked have been his interviews after the match. He now seems to really want to practice on grass and more than ever improve the aspects of his game that will help him. He even said that he would like to build a grass court in Mallorca (wouldn't it then be the only grass court in Spain?) I love that he said that he will want to win Wimbledon until the day he retires and that this loss seems to have even further motivated him to that goal.

Will he ever win and develop the game needed to win? I have no idea. I do think he will improve parts of his game that will allow him to perform better here in the future, though still don't know is he will ever be champ here. But one think I can be sure of is I think he will always have the deep desire to win at Wimbledon and will in the future really make the effort to get better. And his desire when he plays is one of the reason why I have become such a fan of his. I love that Nadal is really aware of what it would mean for a Spaniard to win here.

Brill post :)

oneandonlyhsn
06-24-2005, 01:42 AM
Rafa :sad: :sad:

I so wanted him to go a few more rounds further in this tournament or atleast play Gasqy. What I love about this kid is that he really does want to win Wimby and for me that speaks volume about his character especially because grass is his worst surface.

I already miss the kid :sad:

Chloe le Bopper
06-24-2005, 02:12 AM
te toco el alma didnt it? HA ;) weno antes de usar la palabra f te joder.. tu

ppl like urself and those (NOT ALL) extreme-nadal-fans make ppl like me, who dislike those FANS (cuz im not a nadal hater, only of some of his fans)

well i havent mentioned federer if u c only the other nadal fans did.... ohhmm plus u dont make sense ur like "i'll mock roger's lost" then "not that it will happen anytime soon" plus and contra, plus and contra..???
u do try hard to not be biased, well u cant

and i only refer to fans like alexito that put nadal in roger's level but when nadal loses to an easier opponent its normal, but when roger lose to an easy opponent its the end of the world... then how can that be at the same level?

LAST but not least! thats what i think "MUAHAHA" why cant i express it? :p
ppl just can take it, a sincere comment

Anybody who replies to Alexito seriously, thinking that their responses will hav e any effect on his trolling whatsoever... is a tool.

I don't know why people have such a hard time understand this :shrug:

Is that english?

Barely, but I don't believe English is her first language so it doesn't really matter.

Chloe le Bopper
06-24-2005, 02:14 AM
quite honestly your obsession with nadal is a tad annoying he's good at clay and he lost in wimbledon!! you expected it so expect those of us who arent fans to gloat.............thats how shit happens! deal with it!
I'm not a roger fan but it irritates me that you are talking about that loss in rg on clay to this loss on grass against a much weaker oponent ...........grow up, as you know noone not even federer is immune to defeat............now lets see how mature you are to take this defeat as a fan and move the fuck on!!!!!!!!!!
dont worry maybe he'll bounce back and be good on other surfaces, but now he's a claycourter(Miami et al are SLOW hard courts) and your inability to let us tell you that is um, quite immature!!
Now, I'm not sure that English as a second language is an excuse for this poster, but I may be mistaken.

Nimomunz
06-24-2005, 02:38 AM
Now, I'm not sure that English as a second language is an excuse for this poster, but I may be mistaken.
i fear i dont feel the need to excuse my opinions on this matter!!! :wavey:

Chloe le Bopper
06-24-2005, 02:39 AM
Nor do I feel that you need to, but I'm not sure what that response had to do with my post.

LaTenista
06-24-2005, 02:42 AM
I already miss the kid :sad:

Contrary to his post match interview in which he talked about going back home, he's on the schedule to play doubles with F-Lo tomorrow - last match of the day on Court 13.

Didn't see him on the Mixed Doubles draw. I suppose this is because he'd be too afraid of hitting a girl after pounding Ferrer at FO QFs in chest with a ball. :awww:

RogiFan88
06-24-2005, 02:45 AM
Poor Rafa... and I hardly saw his 2 matches [more's the pity -- ESPN sucks esp this Wimby but enough of that]. I was looking forward to seeing him on the grass in his cute white outfit. I wanted to see how he adjusted to the green stuff... sigh. At least he won his first rd and Muller is not an easy customer on grass. It seems that Rafa got his test today vs. a big serving guy on the faster surface [faster than clay] -- it will serve as good experience for him for future grass tourneys. He is determined to learn how to play on the stuff and good for him! He is always enthusiastic about improving -- that's the attitude! Even tho he has little experience on grass [and let's face it, there's hardly time to get this experience] he is willing to change his game to adapt to grass. AND he has always had the goal to one day win Wimbledon and he is ready to make sacrifices and work hard, improve his serve and other aspects of his game to achieve that goal. He even said they should build a grass court in Mallorca!

I'm sad for Rafa but I know he'll bounce back -- he's already thinking ahead to the hardcourt season! ;)

Rafa's just come off an amazing clay season and he's won one match at Wimby -- of course it's disappointing for him but at the same time he is tired [he said] and needs to take a little break before continuing.

ys
06-24-2005, 02:49 AM
Thsi loss doesn't tell much.. Two Nadal's first Wimbledons are much better than two first Wimbledons of Sampras. So we'll see.

LaTenista
06-24-2005, 03:02 AM
i'm surprised nadal gets so much attention even on grass.

Nadal has been saying for years now he wants to win Wimbledon. Therefore, anytime he plays at the All-England Club it is a big deal. Same reason Henman is so prominently featured this time of year. Rafa's just a bit better with the charisma is all.

Chloe le Bopper
06-24-2005, 03:06 AM
Thsi loss doesn't tell much.. Two Nadal's first Wimbledons are much better than two first Wimbledons of Sampras. So we'll see.
Not what I was expecting ot read from you at all ;)

rommel99
06-24-2005, 03:10 AM
Thsi loss doesn't tell much.. Two Nadal's first Wimbledons are much better than two first Wimbledons of Sampras. So we'll see.

youre actually comparing him to sampras in wimbledon? nadal is a grinder, sampras in an all court player.. go figure..

one was even comparing him to safin, cmon, their games is totally different and you can see who has the game a lot more suitable on grass.

oneandonlyhsn
06-24-2005, 03:18 AM
Contrary to his post match interview in which he talked about going back home, he's on the schedule to play doubles with F-Lo tomorrow - last match of the day on Court 13.

Didn't see him on the Mixed Doubles draw. I suppose this is because he'd be too afraid of hitting a girl after pounding Ferrer at FO QFs in chest with a ball. :awww:

Yeah but thats the end of my Rafa coverage by freaking ESPN :sad: :sad:

ys
06-24-2005, 03:34 AM
Not what I was expecting ot read from you at all ;)

I am full of sympathy to claycourters trying hard to improve on grass.. If anything, I really want Ferrero to win few more matches.. Wait .. Even two more matches would be .. good.. :lol:

Seriously, some of Nadal's strengthes - such as huge topspin are pretty much neutralized by grass - while some of them - such as precision on passing shots - stay , and some of them - such as footspeed can be even magnified on the surface if he adjusts his movement. Really, what can Hewitt do that Nadal can't?

ys
06-24-2005, 03:37 AM
youre actually comparing him to sampras in wimbledon? nadal is a grinder, sampras in an all court player.. go figure...

I am not comparing players.. I am comparing results.. Besides, let Nadal beef up his first serve a bit, and his game on grass will take a completely different look. He is taller than Sampras. He is strong. At his age Hewitt served not bigger than he does now. Just a matter of very possible improvement.

Chloe le Bopper
06-24-2005, 03:55 AM
ys! Your twisted obsession with Nadal is starting to get rather pathetic! I suggest that you go outside and get a life! Hmph! *insert some garbled comments in here*

Chloe le Bopper
06-24-2005, 03:58 AM
I am full of sympathy to claycourters trying hard to improve on grass.. If anything, I really want Ferrero to win few more matches.. Wait .. Even two more matches would be .. good.. :lol:

Clearly you are also rooting for grasscourt King Guillermo Coria :D

Seriously, some of Nadal's strengthes - such as huge topspin are pretty much neutralized by grass - while some of them - such as precision on passing shots - stay , and some of them - such as footspeed can be even magnified on the surface if he adjusts his movement. Really, what can Hewitt do that Nadal can't?

Nadal is so determined and talented that it would be a shock to me if in two years we don't see a whole different Nadal out there on grass. Obviously his core game isn't going to change - he's not going to become a s-v player :p But as you have noted, he has strengths that he can employ and areas to improve for grass. I fear that he may do so at the expense of his clay game, but we'll see.

ys
06-24-2005, 04:08 AM
Clearly you are also rooting for grasscourt King Guillermo Coria :D

At Wimbledon? Yes.. He tries, he fights, he wins.. Unlike all kind of gaudios..



Nadal is so determined and talented that it would be a shock to me if in two years we don't see a whole different Nadal out there on grass. Obviously his core game isn't going to change - he's not going to become a s-v player :p But as you have noted, he has strengths that he can employ and areas to improve for grass. I fear that he may do so at the expense of his clay game, but we'll see.

It will only make him more of a complete player. When was the last time a true s&v player won Wimbledon? Edberg? Because Sampras, Ivanisevic, Krajicek were S&v He can improve his serve. It'll instantly make hima threat..

PamV
06-24-2005, 04:11 AM
respectable run?? out in the second round beating a Spadea who wasn't 100%. hmm.. hardly respectable for a 4th seed :p!

Yes, that's a called a respectable run for Nadal, while Federer losing in the SF of the French Open is a huge blotch on his career.

Chloe le Bopper
06-24-2005, 04:13 AM
At Wimbledon? Yes.. He tries, he fights, he wins.. Unlike all kind of gaudios..




It will only make him more of a complete player. When was the last time a true s&v player won Wimbledon? Edberg? Because Sampras, Ivanisevic, Krajicek were S&v He can improve his serve. It'll instantly make hima threat..
There isn't a doubt in my mind that he will improve his serve. It looks a tad silly for him to serve as hard as Justine H-H, doesn't it? :p

oneandonlyhsn
06-24-2005, 04:50 AM
Out of topic but I just saw Nadals post interview match, he was absolutely cute. One of the commentators complimented him about how well his English was, and he said he studies English for 20 minutes every night, and that he would play in the Davis Cup if his presence was required. It was so cute, the way he said it made it sound like he would not be a top choice, duh kid. I think you are currently the best tennis player in Spain.

Have I said how much I love this kid :hearts:, he is so humble and he keeps getting hotter. Cant wait for Montreal to start, that will probably be the next tournie that I will see him play, sigh.

NYCtennisfan
06-24-2005, 04:55 AM
Sampras did S&V on at least 95% of his service points on grass and was a darn good volleyer.

Devotee
06-24-2005, 05:26 AM
Out of topic but I just saw Nadals post interview match . . . . he said he studies English for 20 minutes every night

That sounds like he meant his post-match press conferences are his English lessons -- because he said after each match he has this lesson.

Kristen
06-24-2005, 05:34 AM
Muller reminds me of how Marco Mirnegg might look, if he had more hair :D

Clara Bow
06-24-2005, 05:54 AM
That sounds like he meant his post-match press conferences are his English lessons -- because he said after each match he has this lesson

I think that's what he meant too.

He actually has a pretty nice sense of humor, in particular when you consider that he is doing so in a language that he is around 3/4 fluent in. It was cute in the interview when a reporter commented that his English has improved and he said right away "I study two hours every night!" He was joking, and it was actually pretty funny. I do enjoy Nadal's interviews.

***

On to Muller- I've read that he was the number 1 junior a couple of years ago- when he was the finalist at jr. W and won the jr. USO. Has anyone seen him enough to know if he could rise up and get more solid results in the future? I know he beat Agassi in Washinton last year, but didn't see the match so don't know how he played.

Drimal
06-24-2005, 06:39 AM
Great upset Gilles Muller! :clap2: :bigclap: :bowdown: :woohoo:

You can go far in wimbledon if you keep up this great performance. :worship:

Borrachero
06-24-2005, 09:27 AM
Nadal sucks

GoranIvanisevic546346
06-24-2005, 11:25 AM
Nadal is little pussy

rommel99
06-24-2005, 02:12 PM
I am not comparing players.. I am comparing results.. Besides, let Nadal beef up his first serve a bit, and his game on grass will take a completely different look. He is taller than Sampras. He is strong. At his age Hewitt served not bigger than he does now. Just a matter of very possible improvement.

oh my mistake.. cause i thought you were actually comparing him saying that sampras had a worst result in his first two years and stuffs..

and i think its not the first serve thats troubling him more, its the second serve..

but i doubt he would do consistently well on grass.. given a good draw and luck yeah he could have a good run and once deep in the draw youll never know but i think he would always be more focused on the french every year becuase thats where he has the most chance to win and when he suceeds there which obviously he could do in a consistent manner lots of energy is already spent and few would be left for wimbledon thats the reason i think federer wont do consistently well on the french open also because his main focus is wimbledon..

rommel99
06-24-2005, 02:13 PM
At Wimbledon? Yes.. He tries, he fights, he wins.. Unlike all kind of gaudios..




It will only make him more of a complete player. When was the last time a true s&v player won Wimbledon? Edberg? Because Sampras, Ivanisevic, Krajicek were S&v He can improve his serve. It'll instantly make hima threat..

i dont think improving his serve would instantly make hima threat on grass.. he needs more than that

LaTenista
06-24-2005, 02:40 PM
[QUOTE=Clara Bow]I think that's what he meant too.

He actually has a pretty nice sense of humor, in particular when you consider that he is doing so in a language that he is around 3/4 fluent in. It was cute in the interview when a reporter commented that his English has improved and he said right away "I study two hours every night!" He was joking, and it was actually pretty funny. I do enjoy Nadal's interviews.
QUOTE]

Thanks for the clarification. Reading the interview I wasn't sure if he was joking or was confusing 20 minutes with two hours. Great looks, great game, now great sense of humor. No wonder all of Spain is in love with him. :D

rocketassist
07-07-2008, 03:41 PM
Bump!

Ackms421
07-07-2008, 03:47 PM
:tape::tape:Rafa couldve had this one, bp conversion killed him - 1/13

Does that breakpoint conversion rate sound familiar to anyone?

Ouragan
07-07-2008, 04:05 PM
Gilles who?

Montego
07-07-2008, 04:23 PM
Awww...Rafa...someday you will win here. I promise...until then keeping giving people the finger.

This is a good quote from 2005.

GlennMirnyi
07-07-2008, 04:30 PM
Those were the times tennis was still breathing.

iriraz
07-07-2008, 04:45 PM
Three years ago is ancient history.Gilles Mueller made Nadal look worse the Hernandez or Montanes on grass in 2005

nateyang
07-07-2008, 04:47 PM
:tape::tape:
Originally Posted by Auscon
Rafa couldve had this one, bp conversion killed him - 1/13

Does that breakpoint conversion rate sound familiar to anyone?

Ew, that's eerie :eek:

Chloe le Bopper
07-07-2008, 05:04 PM
I unnecessary bump, but still... hee hee.

GlennMirnyi
07-07-2008, 05:10 PM
Three years ago is ancient history.Gilles Mueller made Nadal look worse the Hernandez or Montanes on grass in 2005

Exactly what he is. Thing is we don't have Gilles Muller anymore because courts are slow as a Candlemass song.

Henry Chinaski
07-07-2008, 05:29 PM
haha. love the doom reference.

Sunset of Age
07-07-2008, 05:32 PM
Exactly what he is. Thing is we don't have Gilles Muller anymore because courts are slow as a Candlemass song.

Candlemass! :worship: :worship: :worship:

Jimnik
07-07-2008, 05:35 PM
Hopeless. This Nadal will never make an impact at Wimbledon.

Jaap
07-07-2008, 05:37 PM
Rafa will win this tournament by 2008 IMO


;)

scarecrows
07-07-2008, 05:41 PM
Rafa will win this tournament in 2008 beating Federer in a dramatic final

:worship:

Xristos
07-07-2008, 05:51 PM
^Wow Gen!

When did you post that?

Jaap
07-07-2008, 05:51 PM
:lol:

Albop
07-07-2008, 05:53 PM
:haha:

Fedex
07-07-2008, 07:18 PM
^Wow Gen!

When did you post that?

Are you serious?

Winnipeg
07-07-2008, 11:39 PM
Go Muller Go !!!

star
07-07-2008, 11:48 PM
:worship:

You are as good as Lurker!! :bowdown: :bowdown:

l_mac
07-07-2008, 11:54 PM
:haha: @ genci and Jaap

You realy have problems with logic, do you? Everyone improves, but no one can become something else than what he is. Nadal can't become another player - he is more or less what he is, we see his game, he is never going to be something else. He will improve, yes, everyone is improving, but he will never be a force on the grass. Federer ousted an in-form Sampras on grass when he was 18, remember? Hewitt and Nalbandian were also a force on Wimbledon very young etc. Yes, Nadal is a clay-corter, and line my words: he will never be even as good as Agassi was on Wimbledon.

And I am not speaking about Borg, but about Nadal.

:haha: :yeah:

Black Adam
07-08-2008, 12:02 AM
Great bump!

HeretiC
07-08-2008, 02:01 AM
Nadal will win his first Wimbledon 2 or max 3 years from now and it will be in a 5 seter, something like 9-7 or 10-8 in the fifth against Federer.

:yeah:

GlennMirnyi
07-08-2008, 02:04 AM
Now all those :rolleyes: predictions seem like something intelligent.

Oh my. :rolleyes:

cmurray
07-08-2008, 02:10 AM
Now all those :rolleyes: predictions seem like something intelligent.

Oh my. :rolleyes:

Awww. GM. How are you handling it? :hug: Poor thing - you must be despondent. :awww:

Hurley
07-08-2008, 02:13 AM
Best bump ever? Perhaps.

Oh...Drago...ohh. LOL.

GlennMirnyi
07-08-2008, 02:14 AM
Awww. GM. How are you handling it? :hug: Poor thing - you must be despondent. :awww:

This isn't your business. :)

Merton
07-08-2008, 02:28 AM
Interesting to see 167 posts for a 2nd round result. Obviously bandwagoning was huge at that time.

Mimi
07-08-2008, 02:50 AM
haven't seen the pork chop killer roginman for long time, i hope he is all right :angel::devil:
Thank you Gilles, for sending Porky home packing! :worship:

Mimi
07-08-2008, 02:53 AM
wow, Jaap, you are god :bowdown::bowdown:;)

Mimi
07-08-2008, 02:53 AM
:worship::worship::worship:

Mimi
07-08-2008, 02:56 AM
:haha::bigclap:Awww. GM. How are you handling it? :hug: Poor thing - you must be despondent. :awww:

Metis
07-08-2008, 03:45 AM
so many posts that beg to be quoted in this thread :devil:


Some Fedtards actually used to like Nadal back then :tears:

and some great posts (e.g. Castafiore, Chloe le Bopper, Clara Bow) that came true :worship:



:tape::tape:

Does that breakpoint conversion rate sound familiar to anyone?

:spit:

Mimi
07-08-2008, 03:47 AM
they don't like rafa now, especially after he let roger suffered the most heart breaking defeat in his life :p:devil:
so many posts that beg to be quoted in this thread :devil:


Some Fedtards actually used to like Nadal back then :tears:

and some great posts (e.g. Castafiore, Chloe le Bopper, Clara Bow) that came true :worship:





:spit: