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Anyone know when the Wimbledon seeding comes out?

uNIVERSE mAN
06-13-2005, 05:43 PM
Apparently there's a big story about who will get the #2 seed.

jtipson
06-13-2005, 05:44 PM
Seeding should be Wednesday and draw Thursday, if last year is anything to go by. (It used to be Monday and Tuesday.)

What "big story" are you talking about?

Flibbertigibbet
06-13-2005, 05:53 PM
Well, I think he's talking about a possibility of Roddick getting the #2 seed instead of Hewitt (they'd be the only two viable contenders as far as I see it).

jtipson
06-13-2005, 05:54 PM
Oh. Roddick getting the second seed is expected. Anyone else would be a surprise.

uNIVERSE mAN
06-13-2005, 06:00 PM
I wonder if NBC will have something to do with that.

madmanfool
06-13-2005, 06:08 PM
Top 8 will probably be:

Federer
Roddick
Hewitt
Nadal

Safin
Agassi
Henman
Canas

Chloe le Bopper
06-13-2005, 06:11 PM
Oh. Roddick getting the second seed is expected. Anyone else would be a surprise.
Indeed. I don't even see how this is up for dicussion :shrug:

Winston's Human
06-13-2005, 06:49 PM
I'm not sure if Henman will be number 7, as Nikolay Davydenko is 7 in the world. He also took Henman out handily in straight sets in the Australian Open this year, but you might be right. Who knows what it's going to be because it's up to the All England Lawn and Tennis Club.

The AELTC will probably downgrade Davydenko's seeding since he is 0-6 lifetime on grass.

Fee
06-13-2005, 06:52 PM
The AELTC may not need to move Davydenko if Agassi can't make it. Wouldn't be surprised to see Marat moved up at Nadal's expense.

Winston's Human
06-13-2005, 07:21 PM
Top 8 will probably be:

Federer
Roddick
Hewitt
Nadal

Safin
Agassi
Henman
Canas

The only difference I see is AELTC swapping Agassi and Henman -- if Agassi actually plays.

Deboogle!.
06-13-2005, 07:58 PM
It's a big story b/c the Australian press is making it into one. :)

Just for a couple...
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,15604059%255E2722,00.html
http://www.smh.com.au/news/Tennis/Roddicks-seeds-of-doubt-over-Wimbledon-ranking/2005/06/13/1118645749515.html

oneandonlyhsn
06-13-2005, 08:37 PM
I dont see how Hewitt will be seeded 2nd, if this was RG than yeah probably but Wimby is based on Grass performance (smart people). So judging from his early exit and a semi final finish in the last few years I cant see how he will be seeded #2. Then again depends on how they calculate the seedings.

mandoura
06-13-2005, 09:53 PM
Well, I think he's talking about a possibility of Roddick getting the #2 seed instead of Hewitt (they'd be the only two viable contenders as far as I see it).

I thought Andy getting the #2 seed was a sure thing even if Hewitt had won Queens. Since he did not and Andy did, why is this an issue? :confused:

I might be wrong.

mandoura
06-13-2005, 09:54 PM
Indeed. I don't even see how this is up for dicussion :shrug:

Wish I've seen your post before posting. :o

mandoura
06-13-2005, 09:57 PM
The AELTC may not need to move Davydenko if Agassi can't make it. Wouldn't be surprised to see Marat moved up at Nadal's expense.

Shame, but in view of his latest result, Marat deserves it. But so does Rafa. :confused:

Well, this seeding business is pretty weird. :(

Deboogle!.
06-13-2005, 10:08 PM
The AELTC may not need to move Davydenko if Agassi can't make it. Wouldn't be surprised to see Marat moved up at Nadal's expense.According to his coach, he's gonna play.

Flibbertigibbet
06-13-2005, 10:22 PM
I thought Andy getting the #2 seed was a sure thing even if Hewitt had won Queens. Since he did not and Andy did, why is this an issue? :confused:

I might be wrong.

Well, that's probably true - Roddick will get the #2 seed (and he probably deserves it, too, since he's been the second-best grass player behind Federer for the last couple of years) because of his semi-final and final performances in '03 and '04, his Queens hattrick, etc., but it's just that people might not know of the seeding procedures (since Hewitt has won Wimbledon and is the #2 player in the world, and Roddick's only #4 in the rankings), I guess? :retard:

mitalidas
06-13-2005, 10:39 PM
i would say that as a former (and fairly recent) champion of Wimbledon hewitt would trump a hattricker at Queens that is roddick

Goran was three times a finalist and had to still ask for a wildcard in 2001. roddick's been a finalist only once

mandoura
06-13-2005, 11:09 PM
Well, that's probably true - Roddick will get the #2 seed (and he probably deserves it, too, since he's been the second-best grass player behind Federer for the last couple of years) because of his semi-final and final performances in '03 and '04, his Queens hattrick, etc., but it's just that people might not know of the seeding procedures (since Hewitt has won Wimbledon and is the #2 player in the world, and Roddick's only #4 in the rankings), I guess? :retard:

Thanks for the explanation. :)

Btw, great signature. ;)

Lee
06-13-2005, 11:11 PM
Seeding should be Wednesday and draw Thursday, if last year is anything to go by. (It used to be Monday and Tuesday.)



http://www.wimbledon.org/en_GB/news/articles/2005-06-13/200506131118692641508.html



Schedule for Seedings, Draw and Book Launch


Monday, 13 June, 2005


WIMBLEDON SEEDINGS

The seedings for the 2005 Championships are scheduled to be announced in the afternoon of Wednesday 15 June.


WIMBLEDON DRAW

The draw for the 2005 Championships will be held at the All England Club at 10.30am on Thursday 16 June in the main interview room, located in the Millennium Building.

DORKING KINDERSLEY BOOK LAUNCH

At 12.15pm on the same day, publishers DK (Dorling Kindersley) will be launching their new children's book Tennis School, in association with children from the Wimbledon Junior Tennis Initiative (WJTI) - a key part of the All England Club's junior tennis programme. This will take place on Courts 14 and 15 (Indoor Courts 3 and 4 if wet).

Gonzo Hates Me!
06-14-2005, 12:36 AM
i don't get this seedings stuff. It's confusing. Why is everyone so confident ROddick will be number 2? I hope you are all right. I really want him to have that seed. But at the same time, as Filbbertigibbett noted, it would be nice if the AEC respected that Hewitt has already won Wimbledon and owned Queens in the past. So, I kinda think he deserves it just for that, out of respect

Flibbertigibbet
06-14-2005, 01:16 AM
Thanks for the explanation. :)

Btw, great signature. ;)
No problem, it wasn't much of one, and thanks. I mostly only lurk here, so today I had to edit my signature to 29 titles, since it was 25 last time I edited it. :D

Deboogle!.
06-14-2005, 01:37 AM
i don't get this seedings stuff. It's confusing. Why is everyone so confident ROddick will be number 2? I hope you are all right. I really want him to have that seed. But at the same time, as Filbbertigibbett noted, it would be nice if the AEC respected that Hewitt has already won Wimbledon and owned Queens in the past. So, I kinda think he deserves it just for that, out of respectThe issue is that they're only 50 points apart in the rankings, which is extremely close. If Lleyton were hundreds of points ahead or something, then it'd probably be different.

Plus, I don't think the system is in place to respect former champions, is it? I suppose there are a lot of explanations for why they use a specialized system. I think the "party line," though, is that since grass is such a short season and a unique surface that they feel like they should have specialized seeding. If this is true, then it would make sense to reward those who have done well in the more RECENT past, if their goal is to make it such that the top *grass* players can't meet until later. and it'd be hard to argue against Andy having played better on grass over the past couple of years than Hewitt.

Whether this is all fair or the "right thing to do" or whatever is all a matter of opinion, but the fact is that Wimbledon uses a separate system and based on the formulas they have used over the past 3-4 years, Andy would be seeded #2 under all of them. So it's entirely possible that they might find some new system that would somehow allow Hewitt to be seeded 2, and to his credit Andy said multiple times this week that as long as he's seeded in the top 4 that he doesn't care.

star
06-14-2005, 01:46 AM
I think Lleyton should be number two and Roddick number four.

But Wimbledon will do what it wants.

uNIVERSE mAN
06-14-2005, 01:49 AM
Head to Head Hewitt owns Roddick including 2-0 this year. Hewitt should be the #2 seed. Roddick is nowhere near a better player than him on any surface.

Deboogle!.
06-14-2005, 01:55 AM
Head to Head Hewitt owns Roddick including 2-0 this year. Hewitt should be the #2 seed. Roddick is nowhere near a better player than him on any surface.head-to-head is totally irrelevant to the seeding committee. And in any case, all the wimbledon committee cares about is grass. And Andy is 1-0 there. They could give a rat's ass about any other surface - that's the whole reason they change the seedings at all.

Winston's Human
06-14-2005, 01:55 AM
Head to Head Hewitt owns Roddick including 2-0 this year. Hewitt should be the #2 seed. Roddick is nowhere near a better player than him on any surface.

Except Roddick has won their only meeting on grass.

Haute
06-14-2005, 04:41 AM
i would say that as a former (and fairly recent) champion of Wimbledon hewitt would trump a hattricker at Queens that is roddick

Goran was three times a finalist and had to still ask for a wildcard in 2001. roddick's been a finalist only once

But Goran's finalist showings didn't come in the three years before 2001, plus he was ranked 120-something in the world at the time.

Chloe le Bopper
06-14-2005, 04:56 AM
But Goran's finalist showings didn't come in the three years before 2001, plus he was ranked 120-something in the world at the time.
Indeed. The Goran bit was totally irrelevant. So is Hewitt winning Wimbledon, unless the seeding formula stretches back 3 years.

Frankly, I could not care less which of them gets it. I would just be surprised if Roddick didn't, based on the last two years.

jtipson
06-14-2005, 05:42 AM
It's a big story b/c the Australian press is making it into one. :)

Just for a couple...
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,15604059%255E2722,00.html
http://www.smh.com.au/news/Tennis/Roddicks-seeds-of-doubt-over-Wimbledon-ranking/2005/06/13/1118645749515.html


I thought the Aussie press might have learned their lesson after their mistakes on the potential seedings at the AO. Didn't they say that Hewitt would be ranked (and seeded) two if he won Adelaide/Sydney? They weren't aware that it wasn't possible due to the five optional tournament limit, and the tie-break rules to separate guys on the same number of points; now they don't seem to be aware that the AELTC uses a formula to seed.

jtipson
06-14-2005, 05:44 AM
Indeed. The Goran bit was totally irrelevant. So is Hewitt winning Wimbledon, unless the seeding formula stretches back 3 years.

Frankly, I could not care less which of them gets it. I would just be surprised if Roddick didn't, based on the last two years.


Actually in 2001 they took into account 4 years of grass court ranking, in order to make Pete Sampras top seed. Goran wouldn't have got seeded anyway though - he was ranked outside the top 100 at the time.

No, I don't really care which of them gets it either. I suppose it's just too much to ask that the press wise up on the rankings/seeding rules for the Grand Slams. That's what really bugs me.

Gonzo Hates Me!
06-14-2005, 05:47 AM
thanks deb for enlightening me. i just really want Andy to not have to meet Rogi until the finals :D but i feel sorry for lleyton... but whatever

The issue is that they're only 50 points apart in the rankings, which is extremely close. If Lleyton were hundreds of points ahead or something, then it'd probably be different.

Plus, I don't think the system is in place to respect former champions, is it? I suppose there are a lot of explanations for why they use a specialized system. I think the "party line," though, is that since grass is such a short season and a unique surface that they feel like they should have specialized seeding. If this is true, then it would make sense to reward those who have done well in the more RECENT past, if their goal is to make it such that the top *grass* players can't meet until later. and it'd be hard to argue against Andy having played better on grass over the past couple of years than Hewitt.

Whether this is all fair or the "right thing to do" or whatever is all a matter of opinion, but the fact is that Wimbledon uses a separate system and based on the formulas they have used over the past 3-4 years, Andy would be seeded #2 under all of them. So it's entirely possible that they might find some new system that would somehow allow Hewitt to be seeded 2, and to his credit Andy said multiple times this week that as long as he's seeded in the top 4 that he doesn't care.

NYCtennisfan
06-14-2005, 06:12 AM
Head to Head Hewitt owns Roddick including 2-0 this year. Hewitt should be the #2 seed. Roddick is nowhere near a better player than him on any surface.

I think Roddick is better on grass though I would expect a great match if they met again on grass. Roddick is for sure the #2 seed and probably would be a 2 time Wimbledon champion if not for his majesty, Roger Federer. Roddick is 27-2 on grass since the beginning of the 2003 season and has only lost 7 sets to someone other that Federer in thos 27 wins. I think if LH had won Queen's Club then he would get the nod.

jtipson
06-14-2005, 08:32 AM
Points in last 2 years on grass:

Roddick: 225 (W Queen's 05) + 700 (F Wimby 04) + 225 (W Queen's 04) + 450 (SF Wimby 03)
Hewitt: 55 (QF Queen's 05) + 250 (QF Wimby 04) + 100 (SF Queen's 04) + 5 (1R Wimby 03)

They're only separated by 50 points in the entry ranking, so assuming the AELTC takes 2 years grass results into account as they normally do (2002 onwards), who do you think will get the number two seed? I can't see there's a case for Hewitt.

Halba
06-14-2005, 09:42 AM
Cmon Any sucks

His form over the past 18 months has been pathetic

Hasn't won any big matches, keeps failing against the top players (Fed, Hewitt)

He doesn't deserve #2. He isn't even ranked anywhere near 2. His rank is 4.

But i guess Wimby officials only care about *grass* results. Well Hewitt won wimbledon. Not that long ago in 02`. Roddick has never won the title. 'Nuff
Said.

jtipson
06-14-2005, 09:48 AM
He doesn't deserve #2. He isn't even ranked anywhere near 2. His rank is 4.

But i guess Wimby officials only care about *grass* results. Well Hewitt won wimbledon. Not that long ago in 02`. Roddick has never won the title. 'Nuff
Said.

If you look at the rankings you'd see that Andy is in fact very close to number two: Hewitt 3640, Nadal 3600, Roddick 3590.

Yes Hewitt won Wimbledon, but that was three years ago and he's not done much since. The AELTC take two years' worth of results into account generally; if they took three it still might not be enough because they probably wouldn't weight 2002 results as heavily as those from 2004/2005.

Deboogle!.
06-14-2005, 01:59 PM
I thought the Aussie press might have learned their lesson after their mistakes on the potential seedings at the AO. Didn't they say that Hewitt would be ranked (and seeded) two if he won Adelaide/Sydney? They weren't aware that it wasn't possible due to the five optional tournament limit, and the tie-break rules to separate guys on the same number of points; now they don't seem to be aware that the AELTC uses a formula to seed.You'd think they would've learned, but obviously not :lol: Yes, they did do that in January.

Fumus
06-14-2005, 02:28 PM
I like the way Andy put it. He's going to have to beat the best players no matter what. It doesn't matter if he plays them in the qrts...semi...finals or third round. I don't think Andy is coming to this tournement just hoping to make the final. He wants to win it.

I also think it may give Andy a better chance win if he plays Rogi in the semi-finals as oppose to the finals because Roger hasn't won a semi-final of a slam this year ;)

jtipson
06-14-2005, 05:16 PM
Wimbledon announced the formula already, same as last year's. http://www.wimbledon.org/en_GB/bios/seeds.html

So now we know what to expect tomorrow:


Seed Player Rnk Pts Formula Pts
1 Federer, Roger 6980 8955
2 Roddick, Andy 3590 4853
3 Hewitt, Lleyton 3640 4020
4 Nadal, Rafael 3600 3661
5 Safin, Marat 3195 3359
6 Henman, Tim 1830 2323
7 Canas, Guillermo 2075 2205
8 Davydenko, Nikolay 2085 2099
9 Grosjean, Sebastien 1215 2058
10 Ancic, Mario 1310 1855
11 Johansson, Joachim 1620 1790
12 Johansson, Thomas 1398 1697
13 Robredo, Tommy 1515 1681
14 Stepanek, Radek 1480 1671
15 Coria, Guillermo 1490 1649
16 Puerta, Mariano 1618 1622
17 Ferrer, David 1440 1506
18 Nalbandian, David 1385 1503
19 Haas, Tommy 1310 1486
20 Ljubicic, Ivan 1435 1466
21 Gonzalez, Fernando 1270 1354
22 Hrbaty, Dominik 1246 1330
23 Ferrero, Juan Carlos 1075 1318
24 Kiefer, Nicolas 1230 1281
25 Dent, Taylor 1095 1280
26 Lopez, Feliciano 1055 1263
27 Gasquet, Richard 1170 1245
28 Novak, Jiri 1145 1230
29 Massu, Nicolas 1135 1166
30 Soderling, Robin 985 1126
31 Youzhny, Mikhail 1055 1116
32 Volandri, Filippo 1060 1099


NB There may be small errors here and there; please note I've not included formula points from grass court challengers etc.

robinhood
06-14-2005, 05:20 PM
To be Fair they should make sure Roddick and Hewitt meet in Semi
whoever is 2 or 3 !!!!

A good idea.

Skyward
06-14-2005, 05:48 PM
Let us see if Wimbledon Can make the Draw as Lop sided as this

Top Half
1 Federer, Roger
10 Grosjean, Sebastien
13 Johansson, Thomas
6 Agassi, Andre
3 Hewitt, Lleyton
11 Ancic, Mario
15 Stepanek, Radek
5 Safin, Marat

Easy Half
7 Henman, Tim
9 Davydenko, Nikolay
12 Johansson, Joachim
4 Nadal, Rafael
8 Canas, Guillermo
14 Robredo, Tommy
16 Coria, Guillermo
2 Roddick, Andy

PimPim belongs to the top half. The last year USO QF shouldn't be repeated. :devil: Grosjean has to be moved down. Roddick beats him even on clay, that tells the whole story. :devil:

aam
06-14-2005, 05:50 PM
scratch andre's name off the list, he just withdrew according to espn

uNIVERSE mAN
06-19-2006, 04:58 AM
the customary seeding thread as Wimbledon approaches.

RonE
06-19-2006, 05:41 AM
I love Wimbledon, it's a great slam. But I don't quite get how the seeding system works- I know 'formula' points are calculated as a combined function of a player's ranking and past performances on grass but still what are the ratios?

musicilike
06-19-2006, 06:02 AM
safin isn't in the top32,so he can't be a seed

soraya
06-19-2006, 06:16 AM
i don't get this seedings stuff. It's confusing. Why is everyone so confident ROddick will be number 2? I hope you are all right. I really want him to have that seed. But at the same time, as Filbbertigibbett noted, it would be nice if the AEC respected that Hewitt has already won Wimbledon and owned Queens in the past. So, I kinda think he deserves it just for that, out of respect

Agree.

heya
06-19-2006, 06:25 AM
It's not like hewitt suffered through a full quarterfinal in Queen's and eventually
will win Wimbledon with a difficult draw.

stebs
06-19-2006, 10:06 AM
I love Wimbledon, it's a great slam. But I don't quite get how the seeding system works- I know 'formula' points are calculated as a combined function of a player's ranking and past performances on grass but still what are the ratios?
I think it works like this.

The All England Club applies a formula to re-order the 32 players who earn a seed. The formula is:

· Take INDESIT ATP Entry Ranking points at Monday, June 13, 2006
· Add 100% of points earned for all grass court tournaments in the previous 12 months
· Add 75% of points earned at a player’s best grass court event in the 12 months before that.

nobama
06-19-2006, 11:10 AM
So no controversy this year....Nadal seeded #2 and Roddick #3?

Winston's Human
06-19-2006, 11:38 AM
I believe that, in the 2006 rankings thread, Judio has laid out the anticipated Wimbledon seedings using the last few years' formula.

Under that formula, I believe that Rafa is seeded #2, Andy is seeded #3, and Lleyton is seeded #6.

betterthanhenman
06-19-2006, 02:10 PM
The only guy that deserves the number 2 seeding at Wimbledon is Nadal.

uNIVERSE mAN
06-19-2006, 03:44 PM
Wimbledon seeding scientists are working around the clock to devise a new formula that can wipe out a 2000 point world ranking disadvantage for Roddick to be seeded second.

Socket
06-19-2006, 03:51 PM
Wimbledon seeding scientists are working around the clock to devise a new formula that can wipe out a 2000 point world ranking disadvantage for Roddick to be seeded second.
:lol:

Actually, they're working on a new formula that will seed Henman due to the lousy line calls he got at Queens. ;)

Jimnik
06-19-2006, 03:55 PM
Scenario 2
Rosmalen 2005 IS included in Last 12 months Points

1 Federer
2 Nadal
3 Roddick
4 Nalbandian
5 Ljubicic
6 Hewitt
7 Ancic
8 Blake J

9 Davydenko
10 Gonzalez
11 Robredo
12 Johansson T
13 Berdych
14 Stepanek
15 Grosjean
16 Gaudio

17 Ginepri
18 Kiefer
19 Baghdatis
20 Haas
21 Hrbaty
22 Monfils
23 Nieminen
24 Ferrer

25 Ferrero
26 Agassi
27 Rochus O
28 Tursunov
29 Verdasco
30 Vliegen
31 Massu
32 Mathieu
That scenario would make more sense. But I think Gaudio is withdrawing.

R.Federer
06-19-2006, 05:13 PM
Anything apart from a #1 Federer and #2 seed nadal would just create controversy

Also, Wimbledon's going from staid to less-staid. The ball kids are to be dressed by Ralph Lauren!

A Fashion Statement at Wimbledon
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Wimbledon's strict dress code banning color and flashy corporate logos has made the tournament a bastion of tradition for more than a century.

But the grass courts of the All England Lawn Tennis Club have finally been infiltrated — by a United States fashion house, no less.

Polo Ralph Lauren will become the first external company in 129 years to outfit the tournament's on-court officials, who will exchange their green polyester grass-blending jackets for smart navy blue ones. In the past, Wimbledon has done its own design of officials' uniforms.

Rob McCowen, Wimbledon's marketing director, said it was time the current uniforms got a "smartening up and a refreshening," but he drew the line at anything too drastic.

"The very English and timeless look of Ralph Lauren fits very well," he said. "They are not a company that is aggressive like a sports company, wanting their name plastered all over the fabric of the shirt."

And more..... at http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/18/sports/tennis/18lauren.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

oneandonlyhsn
06-19-2006, 05:13 PM
Safin to meet Rafa or Fed in the 1st round, I just had this ugly premonition :scared:

uNIVERSE mAN
06-20-2006, 02:57 AM
Safin to meet Rafa or Fed in the 1st round, I just had this ugly premonition :scared:

why? safin goes out in straights.

Puschkin
06-21-2006, 11:06 AM
Nadal seeded 2

Source: http://www.eurosport.com/tennis/wimbledon/2006/sport_sto910711.shtml

Hola Mr. SK
06-21-2006, 11:35 AM
Nadal seeded 2

Source: http://www.eurosport.com/tennis/wimbledon/2006/sport_sto910711.shtml

Thanks for the link.:worship:
So Na is seeded 28 for her wimby debut :eek: :woohoo: :woohoo: :p
and Nalby is seeded 4...lucky you Andy ;)

flip_fan
06-21-2006, 11:37 AM
Men's seeds; 1 Roger Federer (Swi)
2 Rafael Nadal (Spa)
3 Andy Roddick (US)
4 David Nalbandian (Arg)
5 Ivan Ljubicic (Cro)
6 Lleyton Hewitt (Aus)
7 Mario Ancic (Cro)
8 James Blake (US)
9 Nikolay Davydenko (Rus)
10 Fernando Gonzalez (Chl)
11 Tommy Robredo (Spa)
12 Thomas Johansson (Swe)
13 Tomas Berdych (Cze)
14 Radek Stepanek (Cze)
15 Sebastien Grosjean (Fra)
16 Gaston Gaudio (Arg)
17 Robby Ginepri (US)
18 Nicolas Kiefer (Ger)
19 Marcos Baghdatis (Cyp)
20 Tommy Haas (Ger)
21 Dominik Hrbaty (Svk)
22 Gael Monfils (Fra)
23 Jarkko Nieminen (Fin)
24 David Ferrer (Spa)
25 Juan Carlos Ferrero (Spa)
26 Andre Agassi (US)
27 Olivier Rochus (Bel)
28 Dmitry Tursunov (Rus)
29 Fernando Verdasco (Spa)
30 Kristof Vliegen (Bel)
31 Nicolas Massu (Chl)
32 Paul-Henri Mathieu (Fra).

I♥PsY@Mus!c
06-21-2006, 11:42 AM
Paulo is still a seed! :banana:

Agassi Aces
06-21-2006, 11:55 AM
Andre only seeded 26th!

suus21
06-21-2006, 01:04 PM
that is a shame. Can't believe Ferrer and Ferrero are higher seeds....

gillian
06-21-2006, 01:16 PM
At first blush, this would seem to be based more on the actual rankings than on the formula.

Edited: Just looked at the seedings vs. rankings, and there are significant discrepancies (for instance, how is Hewitt seeded below Nadal when Nadal hasn't sniffed even a grass court semifinal?)

Oh well, this is what we expect from the seeding committee. At least it makes for good debate.

goran_the_2nd
06-21-2006, 01:27 PM
hmm.. federer - ancic in 1/4, pitty :(

tripb19
06-21-2006, 01:57 PM
Does 1st seed play 3rd or 4th seed? or is it random?

R.Federer
06-21-2006, 02:33 PM
Does 1st seed play 3rd or 4th seed? or is it random?
It's random I'm pretty sure
Only #1 and #2 are definitely on opposite sides

Clara Bow
06-21-2006, 02:58 PM
Edited: Just looked at the seedings vs. rankings, and there are significant discrepancies (for instance, how is Hewitt seeded below Nadal when Nadal hasn't sniffed even a grass court semifinal?)

Based on the All England Club formula that has been pasted above- Nadal has such a lead on the others in terms of ranking points, that even when factoring grass performance points- he is still ahead.

And granted- Hewitt has done better at Wimbledon- but in the past year and a half Nadal has won 16 titles- including 6 Masters Cups (two on hard) and two other tournaments on hard. I don't think that Nadal should just bumped down below the 9th ranked player (who last week was outside of the top ten) because he has not done well on grass and therefore throwing out all that he has acheived in the past year as worth nothing.


From stebs


The All England Club applies a formula to re-order the 32 players who earn a seed. The formula is:

· Take INDESIT ATP Entry Ranking points at Monday, June 13, 2006
· Add 100% of points earned for all grass court tournaments in the previous 12 months
· Add 75% of points earned at a player’s best grass court event in the 12 months before that.

gillian
06-21-2006, 03:07 PM
Based on the All England Club formula that has been pasted above- Nadal has such a lead on the others in terms of ranking points, that even when factoring grass performance points- he is still ahead.

And granted- Hewitt has done better at Wimbledon- but in the past year and a half Nadal has won 16 titles- including 6 Masters Cups (two on hard) and two other tournaments on hard. I don't think that Nadal should just bumped down below the 9th ranked player (who last week was outside of the top ten) because he has not done well on grass and therefore throwing out all that he has acheived in the past year as worth nothing.


From stebs

Aaaah. That makes more sense. Thanks for clarifying. I used to think the formula weighted grass court performance more than anything else.

R.Federer
06-21-2006, 03:29 PM
The All England Club applies a formula to re-order the 32 players who earn a seed. The formula is:

· Take INDESIT ATP Entry Ranking points at Monday, June 13, 2006


correct formula, except the date which should be June 19

Lady
06-21-2006, 03:37 PM
It's random I'm pretty sure
Only #1 and #2 are definitely on opposite sides

Nope. #3 and #4 are on opposite sides as well. ;)

R.Federer
06-21-2006, 03:42 PM
Nope. #3 and #4 are on opposite sides as well. ;)
Yes, but it is random which side they're on, isn't it? That's what I meant about random after #1,2. Meaning, #1 could draw either #3 or #4, and that the only thing guaranteed is that #1 and #2 do not face off before the final

LLeytonRules
06-21-2006, 04:07 PM
I expect Roddick to be in Nadal's draw.If wimbledon seeded Nadal number 2, they should know he will probably be ousted before the quarterfinals.

R.Federer
06-21-2006, 04:22 PM
I expect Roddick to be in Nadal's draw.If wimbledon seeded Nadal number 2, they should know he will probably be ousted before the quarterfinals.
Well.... it's to be determined by a draw, so its 50% chance of either
Unless you're suggesting that they'll rig the draw......

NYCtennisfan
06-21-2006, 04:44 PM
It's random just like at RG. The special grass seedings even things out a little bit which is a good thing. the 5-8 seeds are Ivan, Hewitt, Ancic, and Blake. While Hewitt is the best grass player out of those 4, any one of them when on will be tough to beat. If they went by the rankings, Davydenko would be a 'QF seed' which would mean a wide open quarter.

Winston's Human
06-21-2006, 05:33 PM
This question comes up with every slam. It is completely random. If you look over the past ten years, you will see that about half the time it is a 1-3/2-4 draw and the other half of the time it is a 1-4/2-3 draw.

nobama
06-21-2006, 05:49 PM
I hope Hewitt and Roddick get placed on the same side of the draw so hopefully once and for all the question of who deserves to be seeded higher is put to bed. I know it's all formula based but that doesn't stop the press (and former players like Pat Cash) from complaining about the seeding.