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Roddick-Grosjean

Purple Rainbow
06-10-2005, 01:44 PM
The first set has just finished. Andy won 6-4 after Grosjean double faulted twice trailing 4-5 and at deuce. This reminded me of yesterday when Andy beat Beck who also doublefaulted twice when he was trailing 4-5 in the third. It gave Roddick a matchpoint that he converted through an unforced error by Beck.
Is it luck, or an intimidation factor, or something else? What do you think?

Nathy
06-10-2005, 02:05 PM
The first set has just finished. Andy won 6-4 after Grosjean double faulted twice trailing 4-5 and at deuce. This reminded me of yesterday when Andy beat Beck who also doublefaulted twice when he was trailing 4-5 in the third. It gave Roddick a matchpoint that he converted through an unforced error by Beck.
Is it luck, or an intimidation factor, or something else? What do you think?

Well today I don't know to what it is due.. But this is a very good match to watch, both player are really playing well today!

3-3 second set, one beak for each player...

Purple Rainbow
06-10-2005, 02:09 PM
Yeah! It is a very spectacular match. This match could go either way, not at all the ace-fest that we have seen many times from Roddick on grass.

Nathy
06-10-2005, 02:14 PM
Yeah! It is a very spectacular match. This match could go either way, not at all the ace-fest that we have seen many times from Roddick on grass.

Btw Roddick leads 5-4 second set.. now let's see what happens in this "again-situation"...

Nathy
06-10-2005, 02:18 PM
Grosjean came back to 5-5! Well done! Yeah we cannot predict who's gonna win..

Nathy
06-10-2005, 02:32 PM
Finally Roddick defeated Grosjean 6-4 7-6

Rogiman
06-10-2005, 02:46 PM
Somebody should pay Roddick to stop playing tennis, this match was a reminder to me as for how ugly his game is, and Grosjean - great choking on key moments - you look perfectly happy with being Roddick's bitch...

NATAS81
06-10-2005, 04:13 PM
Too easy.

Deboogle!.
06-10-2005, 04:14 PM
Yeah! It is a very spectacular match. This match could go either way, not at all the ace-fest that we have seen many times from Roddick on grass.What, you mean he's capable of winning matches other ways than just serving well???? Unthinkable!

NYCtennisfan
06-10-2005, 04:27 PM
I can't believe that the vbookie gave out .29 odds for Roddick since he's beaten Grosjean here so easily so many times. He also beat the hell out of him on clay in Houston. I hope it's a Hewitt/roddick final.

NYCtennisfan
06-10-2005, 04:28 PM
Yeah! It is a very spectacular match. This match could go either way, not at all the ace-fest that we have seen many times from Roddick on grass.

He only hit 6 aces and won 78% of his 1st serve points which is below average for him so he must've been doing something other than serving huge.

tangerine_dream
06-10-2005, 04:37 PM
What, you mean he's capable of winning matches other ways than just serving well???? Unthinkable!
LOL, Deb. :lol:

Anyhoo, congrats to Andy on getting past Seb. I was worried about the froggy. :p

alexito
06-10-2005, 06:01 PM
greattttttttttttt aroddddddd!!!!!!!!
all easy for you
hewitt hennan grosjean and gasquet out.

robinhood
06-10-2005, 06:08 PM
greattttttttttttt aroddddddd!!!!!!!!
all easy for you
hewitt hennan grosjean and gasquet out.

Alexito, you seem to root for everyone except for Federerrrrrrrrrrrr.
Why is that?

robinhood
06-10-2005, 06:13 PM
I can't believe that the vbookie gave out .29 odds for Roddick since he's beaten Grosjean here so easily so many times. He also beat the hell out of him on clay in Houston. I hope it's a Hewitt/roddick final.

But NYC, you just made a hefty profit.
What are you complaining about? :cool:

And I was hoping for the same match-up in the final, but that lanky grass court specialist has officially anointed himself as the potato peeler of June and July. :mad:

Nathy
06-10-2005, 06:16 PM
Alexito, you seem to root for everyone except for Federerrrrrrrrrrrr.
Why is that?

He is jealous and cannot stand Fed...

allanah
06-10-2005, 06:16 PM
Somebody should pay Roddick to stop playing tennis, this match was a reminder to me as for how ugly his game is, and Grosjean - great choking on key moments - you look perfectly happy with being Roddick's bitch...

It is subjective, I know, but I don't think Andy's game is ugly at all. He's worked hard to add more dimensions to his game. He's not just a serve and a big forehand anymore. Although those are his strengths and he uses them well.
He showed some finesse today with some of the backhand slices and the volleys he hit. Certainly not on a par with your guy yet but a lot improved and fun to watch.

robinhood
06-10-2005, 06:22 PM
the backhand slices and the volleys

:eek:
Good for Andy.

Purple Rainbow
06-10-2005, 07:40 PM
What, you mean he's capable of winning matches other ways than just serving well???? Unthinkable!

No, that's your interpretation.
I mean that I have seen Roddick win many matches in which his service alone carried him through his service games and a single break or a tiebreak would seal victory for him. To see him win a match, when his service is not a deciding factor is quite refreshing and very entertaining. Andy has grown in his ability to play rallies and he can produce terrific shots. I much prefer to see him win longer points than him producing 140+mph aces all the time.

Geez, mellow down a bit. Not everybody is an Andyhater here.

heya
06-10-2005, 08:08 PM
:rolleyes: Gee, I wonder why he had a 100-0 record in 1992.
He served fast back then...180 mph.
Lack of effort & injuries hampered his progress.

Deboogle!.
06-10-2005, 08:11 PM
No, that's your interpretation.
I mean that I have seen Roddick win many matches in which his service alone carried him through his service games and a single break or a tiebreak would seal victory for him. To see him win a match, when his service is not a deciding factor is quite refreshing and very entertaining. Andy has grown in his ability to play rallies and he can produce terrific shots. I much prefer to see him win longer points than him producing 140+mph aces all the time.

Geez, mellow down a bit. Not everybody is an Andyhater here.Wow, I was just being sarcastic lol. I'm glad you enjoyed the match. I also prefer it when he plays a better all-around game than when he just wins through his serving. See, we agree :cool:

Purple Rainbow
06-10-2005, 08:21 PM
Wow, I was just being sarcastic lol. I'm glad you enjoyed the match. I also prefer it when he plays a better all-around game than when he just wins through his serving. See, we agree :cool:

Wow! Agreement, you don't see that very often around here! :)

Talking about Andy's serve, do you think Andy has toned it down a bit, or have other players caught up on returning it? Roddicks serve doesn't seem to be as dominant as it was 1 or 2 years ago.

Paialii
06-10-2005, 08:52 PM
Somebody should pay Roddick to stop playing tennis, this match was a reminder to me as for how ugly his game is, and Grosjean - great choking on key moments - you look perfectly happy with being Roddick's bitch...

Care to elaborate on how you think his game is ugly? Or is it because he's an American player that isn't Roger Federer? :rolleyes:

Qaatar
06-10-2005, 08:59 PM
Care to elaborate on how you think his game is ugly? Or is it because he's an American player that isn't Roger Federer? :rolleyes:

I'm not speaking for Rogiman, but the reason why I don't like Roddick's game (I like him as a person, but that's irrelevant in this case):
1. His power game (solely dependent on his power)
2. His ugly serve motion
3. Two-handed backhands are decent in some cases, but Roddick's backhand looks so unnatural. Nadal's is much better (still not aethestically great), but one-handers are the way to go.

That's pretty much my opinion. I don't necessarily hate Roddick's game either. Just not a big fan of it.

Deboogle!.
06-10-2005, 09:07 PM
Wow! Agreement, you don't see that very often around here! :)no, you don't ;):yeah:

Talking about Andy's serve, do you think Andy has toned it down a bit, or have other players caught up on returning it? Roddicks serve doesn't seem to be as dominant as it was 1 or 2 years ago.Some of both. I think he's realized that if he takes a few mph off that he gets a higher percentage in. Considering the average speed he still gets consistently, it's pretty impressive he averages around 65% first serves in over the season. And yeah, I think players are becoming better returners every day - not just against Andy but returning in general has improved.

I mean Seb got back a great deal of Andy's serves today, sometimes with a lot on it. But Andy still held serve except once. So yea I'd say combo of both. His serve might not be as "dominant" (i suppose it depends what you mean by that anyway), but if you look at the serving stats he still holds serve as often as he always has and saves about the same % of BPs he faces..... so if his serve alone is not as dominant, that must mean the rest of his game has improved ;) :)

Melvins
06-10-2005, 09:32 PM
I'm not speaking for Rogiman, but the reason why I don't like Roddick's game (I like him as a person, but that's irrelevant in this case):
1. His power game (solely dependent on his power)
2. His ugly serve motion
3. Two-handed backhands are decent in some cases, but Roddick's backhand looks so unnatural. Nadal's is much better (still not aethestically great), but one-handers are the way to go.

That's pretty much my opinion. I don't necessarily hate Roddick's game either. Just not a big fan of it.

1. Andy have a power game but the Andy's game isn't just power. Be fair.
2. What is a beautiful serve? :confused:
3. Yeah, it's a bad "gun" of Andy, but do you see the Andy's game by backhand.

No like Andy's game is a rigth that you have, because I don't like so much Coria's game, Joachim's game, Hewitt's game.

Just I think the point 1. and 2. is unfair.

Melvins
06-10-2005, 09:37 PM
Somebody should pay Roddick to stop playing tennis, this match was a reminder to me as for how ugly his game is, and Grosjean - great choking on key moments - you look perfectly happy with being Roddick's bitch...

Turn off TV, Rogiman. Why do you see Roddick? Because you want it.

I pay to see Roddick playing game.

And some questions:

Don't Soderling look perfectly happy with being Federer's bitch?

Don't Nadal look perfectly happy with being Federer's bitch when lost in Miami?

Purple Rainbow
06-10-2005, 09:38 PM
Some of both. I think he's realized that if he takes a few mph off that he gets a higher percentage in. Considering the average speed he still gets consistently, it's pretty impressive he averages around 65% first serves in over the season. And yeah, I think players are becoming better returners every day - not just against Andy but returning in general has improved.

I mean Seb got back a great deal of Andy's serves today, sometimes with a lot on it. But Andy still held serve except once. So yea I'd say combo of both. His serve might not be as "dominant" (i suppose it depends what you mean by that anyway), but if you look at the serving stats he still holds serve as often as he always has and saves about the same % of BPs he faces..... so if his serve alone is not as dominant, that must mean the rest of his game has improved ;) :)

Stats don't lie, do they? :)
What I meant by dominant serve was that when I think of Andy serving on hardcourt or grass, those games usually don't last longer than a minute. It was very rare for opponents to get more than 2 points on Andy's serve.
After having seen his last two matches (Beck and Grosjean) I noticed how many chances they got on Roddicks service games and how (relatively) few aces Andy hit.
Yet, if he still holds his serve and saves bp's as often as he had than I guess there's nothing to worry about for Andy and his fans.

Skyward
06-10-2005, 09:45 PM
Just I think the point 1. and 2. is unfair.

In general, this place is unfair. Peope here like to have fun at someone else's expense. Just ask Shitito 36.

Qaatar
06-10-2005, 09:49 PM
1. Andy have a power game but the Andy's game isn't just power. Be fair.
2. What is a beautiful serve? :confused:
3. Yeah, it's a bad "gun" of Andy, but do you see the Andy's game by backhand.

No like Andy's game is a rigth that you have, because I don't like so much Coria's game, Joachim's game, Hewitt's game.

Just I think the point 1. and 2. is unfair.

They could be "unfair" in your eyes, but this is all subjective anyways. I'm not duck bashing. Andy is one of my favorite personalities on tour...just not a fan of his game. That's all.

Adman
06-10-2005, 09:54 PM
Excellent and another win on the grass for Andy.

garylanders
06-10-2005, 09:57 PM
wow, cant really understand why so many people hate Roddick....well well, when Grosjean was serving and made his doublefaults the crowd on one of the nearby courts were cheering quite heavily..just when he was about to serve...that might´ve distracted him. just me who noticed that ?

Deboogle!.
06-10-2005, 10:04 PM
I did not hear that garylanders, but I will watch the replay of the match in a couple hours and pay attention for that.

Rogiman
06-10-2005, 10:10 PM
Care to elaborate on how you think his game is ugly? Or is it because he's an American player that isn't Roger Federer? :rolleyes:

Is there any American player that is Roger Federer? :confused:

NYCtennisfan
06-10-2005, 10:54 PM
2. What is a beautiful serve?

See Pete Sampras. Good win for Roddick and he is easily the 2nd best grass court player depsite the recent speculation.

guida
06-11-2005, 02:07 AM
See Pete Sampras.

Have to agree there. No one had a more graceful serve (or game, for that matter. Mr. Elegance :worship: ).

Paialii
06-11-2005, 03:43 AM
Is there any American player that is Roger Federer? :confused:

Wow. I was being sarcastic. :rolleyes:

Seeing as how you chose to only answer that part of my question, I can only assume that you're simply arrogant and don't care to give credit where it's needed.

Paialii
06-11-2005, 03:49 AM
I'm not speaking for Rogiman, but the reason why I don't like Roddick's game (I like him as a person, but that's irrelevant in this case):
1. His power game (solely dependent on his power)
2. His ugly serve motion
3. Two-handed backhands are decent in some cases, but Roddick's backhand looks so unnatural. Nadal's is much better (still not aethestically great), but one-handers are the way to go.

That's pretty much my opinion. I don't necessarily hate Roddick's game either. Just not a big fan of it.

LOL. There's a huge difference between being biased on the technical shots and preferring one way to hit the ball and disliking the overall way someone plays. His backhand has become much more of a weapon now. Same with the serve, you can't dislike his "game" just because you don't like the motion he uses. His serve is pretty damn good for using a not-so-common form.

As for the power game... power is all you ever see any more. His speed is good but his movement isn't as good as, say, Federer. But then again, noone moves better than Federer. I think he's added to his game well, and I hope to see him in another Wimbledon final this year. I feel sorry for the guy, he's had ZERO results since the 03 US Open. :p

NATAS81
06-11-2005, 03:51 AM
I feel sorry for the guy, he's had ZERO results since the 03 US Open. :p
I don't think he's too disappointed losing to the home crowd favorite in the first GS of '05.

Rogiman
06-11-2005, 12:03 PM
Today I expect Radek to take the Duck out, right now he's a better player with a serve just as effective and I'm not kidding here.

Neely
06-11-2005, 12:10 PM
Today I expect Radek to take the Duck out, right now he's a better player with a serve just as effective and I'm not kidding here.
I see no chance for Stepanek here in the outcome. Roddick is too good and will beat him in tiebreaks if Stepanek even reaches them. The only thing that Stepanek can hope is to keep it close as Grosjean did it yesterday.

Rogiman
06-11-2005, 12:15 PM
I see no chance for Stepanek here in the outcome. Roddick is too good and will beat him in tiebreaks if Stepanek even reaches them. The only thing that Stepanek can hope is to keep it close as Grosjean did it yesterday.
Stepanek is better than Grosjean ATM (on grass that is, and I still think he shouldv'e won that RG match too) and I believe in him, he's got a game 10 times nicer than the Duck's and I hope it'll show in the final score.

Roddick is too good for Ginepri perhaps, and maybe for Fish too.

Rogiman
06-11-2005, 02:27 PM
:haha:

And Stepanek outplays Duckboy 6:2 in the 2nd set!

heya
06-11-2005, 03:46 PM
This reminds me of the French Open semifinal when Nadal got lazy in one set.

tangerine_dream
06-11-2005, 04:58 PM
:haha:

And Stepanek outplays Duckboy 6:2 in the 2nd set!
:haha:

And Rogiman shows himself to be a jackass again!


Seeing as how you chose to only answer that part of my question, I can only assume that you're simply arrogant and don't care to give credit where it's needed.
That's pretty much his M.O. here :p

Neely
06-11-2005, 05:05 PM
Well, for a short moment, Stepanek gave Rogiman a short glimpse of light on the horizon as his hope that Duck will be kicked out by Stepanek was kept alive... but eventually for not too long as the third set was underway :) :devil: ;)