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Tour de France 2005

Straby
06-09-2005, 04:10 PM
Will Lance get his 7th victory in the Tour? Or is the T-Mobile team (Ullrich, Vinokourov and Klöden :eek: ) too strong this year?

Vinokourov has won the Mont Ventoux-stage in the Dauphine Libere today, he's definately is a good form.
He's a good bet @ 13 to win all the way in July. The bookies think he will be Ullrich's first helper in the mountains, but Ullrich is likely to lose time in the first time-trail (19 km), as he's a real diesel.

Straby
06-09-2005, 04:15 PM
Oh, yeah, for who doesn't know what I'm talking about: it's cycling. ;)

Yoel and co.
06-09-2005, 04:22 PM
Should be quite interesting this year (has to be, as last year was so boring).

I guess Ulrich is a possibility, but I think Vino has a better chance than him.

Is Beloki in this year?

I think Botero will go for the Polka-Dot jersey (and will take it)

Straby
06-09-2005, 04:36 PM
Is Beloki in this year?


I've seen him in the Giro, last month. He said he was there just to pick up some rhythm, but he was just horrible. I think he will not compete in the Tour, he will go to the Vuelta in September.

Yoel and co.
06-09-2005, 04:41 PM
That's too bad. Not that I think he had a chance of winning, but he could have put some good pressure on the other leaders

bad gambler
06-09-2005, 09:19 PM
Ulrich will not be fit as usual, I think Vino is a solid play

As good as Armstrong is, this year he will need his team more than ever as I can see some bad days for the champ in the mountains this year.

its.like.that
06-11-2005, 03:43 AM
Will Lance get his 7th victory in the Tour? Or is the T-Mobile team (Ullrich, Vinokourov and Klöden :eek: ) too strong this year?

Vinokourov has won the Mont Ventoux-stage in the Dauphine Libere today, he's definately is a good form.
He's a good bet @ 13 to win all the way in July. The bookies think he will be Ullrich's first helper in the mountains, but Ullrich is likely to lose time in the first time-trail (19 km), as he's a real diesel.
Jan is one of the best time triallers around I though? :shrug:

bad gambler
06-11-2005, 05:46 AM
Jan is one of the best time triallers around I though? :shrug:


over the longer distance trials he is the best, on par with armstrong

not the shorter ones as he doesnt have enough time to crank those large gears

Straby
06-11-2005, 10:49 AM
over the longer distance trials he is the best, on par with armstrong

not the shorter ones as he doesnt have enough time to crank those large gears

You're right about that one. :yeah:
The Tour of Switzerland starts today, with Ullrich competing. I'll keep you informed about his level of performance. (At least I hope he's lost his 'winter fat' :rolleyes: )

bad gambler
06-11-2005, 12:47 PM
You\'re right about that one. :yeah:
The Tour of Switzerland starts today, with Ullrich competing. I\'ll keep you informed about his level of performance. (At least I hope he\'s lost his \'winter fat\' :rolleyes: )

Mate that would fantastic if you could keep me updated - covergae in Australia is really poor. Id be interested to see how the big german goes. It really is a shame, he has one Tour victory to his name, the guy is so talented, unfortunately his love of german chocolates is more :rolleyes:

bad gambler
06-11-2005, 12:49 PM
I am also interested to follow Ivan Basso lead up form, he is another who could do some damage in the mountains this year

its.like.that
06-12-2005, 11:15 AM
Mikkel Kessler in the tour??? :p :eek::eek:

Straby
06-12-2005, 08:10 PM
Wow, Ullrich looks very fit (no fat ;)) and he was very strong in today's time trail (39km) in the Tour of Switzerland, finishing just a bit faster than the two Aussies McGee and Rogers:

1 Jan Ullrich TMO 44'06"
2 Bradley McGee FDJ +14"
3 Michael Rogers QST +17"
4 Fabian Cancellara FAS +39"
5 Serhiy Honchar DOM +40"

I guess he was right when he said he feels better than last year in this time of the year.

Basso is not competing by the way. He has taken some time off after the Tour of Italy last month. I've no clue about his form.

bad gambler
06-12-2005, 11:00 PM
michael rogers, future podium winner in the tour, watch out for him :worship:

Yoel and co.
06-16-2005, 09:40 AM
WHill have now put odds for all candidates (they had only Lance, Ullrich and a couple others previously):

Lance - 1.72
Ullrich - 3.75
Basso - 7
Vino - 11
Also...Leipheimer - 34

Ale10
06-16-2005, 10:14 AM
Gamebookers:

Outright 01 Jul 05 12:00 CET Winner Tour de France 2005

Armstrong L. (USA/DSC) 1.75
Ullrich J. (GER/TMO) 3.75
Basso I. (ITA/CSC) 4.50
Vinokourov A. (KAZ/TMO) 9.00
Cunego D. (ITA/LAM) 11.00
Kloden A. (GER/TMO) 15.00
Valverde A. (ESP/IBA) 17.00
Heras R. (ESP/LST) 21.00
Mayo I. (ESP/EUS) 26.00
Beloki J. (ESP/LAST) 34.00
Mancebo F. (ESP/IBA) 41.00
Jaksche J. (GER/LST) 51.00

Yoel and co.
06-16-2005, 10:28 AM
Funny, I don't see Basso's chances better than Vino...

Straby
06-16-2005, 10:41 AM
Cunego @ 11.00 :lol: Should've been at least 5000.
First stage with some serious mountains today in the Tour of Switzerland. Let's see if Ullrich can continue his good form in the mountains..

Straby
06-16-2005, 11:06 PM
michael rogers, future podium winner in the tour, watch out for him :worship:

Good eye mate. He was too strong for Ullrich today. Rogers is the new leader in Switzerland. :yeah:

bad gambler
06-17-2005, 01:12 AM
Good eye mate. He was too strong for Ullrich today. Rogers is the new leader in Switzerland. :yeah:

Mate this year will be the year Aussies make their mark:

McKewin to win green jersey IMO

Rogers and McGee to cause some shocks in the time trials and mountain stages :)

Straby
06-19-2005, 04:02 PM
Odds will raise on Ullrich after today I think. He's made absolutely no impressing in the Swiss mountains. He was lucky to have a very good helper today (Guerini), otherwise he was blown away by Rogers, Gonzalez and Schleck.
Is he fooling us? Don't think so, the look on his face was like he has been to war or something like that.

Yoel and co.
06-19-2005, 09:49 PM
He has been to war, ever since Lance won his first tour

bad gambler
06-19-2005, 11:21 PM
Forget Ulrich, his days are over

Rogers is the future, and so is McGee - both have been doing extensive mountain training in the off season

bad gambler
07-02-2005, 07:07 AM
OK so Prologue starts today, I like the following bets:

Brad McGee to win - $6.00 (3 units)
Fabian Cancellara to win - $13.00 (2 units)

Centrebet also offering Groupo H2h betting, and I like the following group:

LEIPHEIMER, Levi (USA) 2.50

PEREIRO, Oscar (ESP) 5.00

KARPETS, Vladimir (RUS) 5.00

CONTADOR VELASCO, Alberto 5.00

HUSHOVD, Thor (NOR) 6.50

Levi to win his group - $2.50 (5 units)

If any of the three bets win, I win :)

Yoel and co.
07-02-2005, 07:31 AM
WillHill have McGee to win today @ 6.50, Cancellera @ 10

Will follow your advice on both of them ;) and also put one on Botero, as he seems to be on the right side of things again (reminds me of Safin somtimes :angel: )

Also put one unit on Botero @ 10 and Mayo @ 17 to take King of the Mountains

Straby
07-02-2005, 06:20 PM
Bye Ullrich. Bye everyone. Only Vino can make this a real challenge for Lance.

Vino @ 12 was a good deal. He's T-Mobile's main man now.

Yoel and co.
07-02-2005, 07:37 PM
Bookies must have made a good deal on today's winner :o

Lance odds will probably drop to 1.000001

bad gambler
07-03-2005, 12:40 AM
lol what a shocking day for me.

yep, no suprises will ulrich to be honest, every year before the race we hear the same thing about how fit he is blah blah and he always fails to produce.

I saw enough of Vino today to think he will win this year, TT never his strength but to see him do really well has me confident. BIg call, but I think he will take Armstrong in the Pyrenees.

Straby
07-03-2005, 11:25 AM
Some nice H2Hs today at Unibet:

McEwen to beat Hushovd @ 1.50. Yes, Hushovd is a strong man, and when the finish is a bit uphill he would be able to beat McEwen, but not with this flat finish. McEwen is just too fast for him. High stakes.

J-P Nazon to beat O'Grady @ 1.70. Same story as above. Fast man against the strong man. Medium stakes.

star
07-03-2005, 03:28 PM
Vino looks like a threat, but I'm not counting out Landis just yet.

Word is McKee hurt his ITT by training for climbing.

ONE guy on the cycling board picked Zabriskie to win the ITT with no hedging. I hope he put money on him too.

Straby
07-03-2005, 03:55 PM
What a bad day for me. :sad:

bad gambler
07-03-2005, 04:02 PM
robbie :sad:

bad gambler
07-04-2005, 09:59 AM
Stage 3, try again....

I like Thor Hushovd to win the stage and beat Robbie McEwen H2h.

Also like Boonen to beat McEwen H2h

Thor Hushovd to win - $4.50

Hushovd to beat McEwen - $2.30
Boonen to beat McEwen - $2.65

good luck

Yoel and co.
07-04-2005, 12:20 PM
Very small bet on Oggy for me

bad gambler
07-05-2005, 09:13 AM
OK Stage 4 is Team TT, time for real money to be made

I see massive value in Team CSC winning this TT, they will start off last and will have the knowledge of Discovery's Times. Also Riis has made it clear thet his team has been focusing hard on the stage during the off season.

Team CSC to win - $2.50 (4 units)

Also like the following group betting offered by centrebet:

T-MOBILE - TEAM 2.85

GEROLSTEINER 2.90

LIBERTY SEGUROS 5.25

CREDIT AGRICOLE 7.50

ILLES BALEARS 7.50

Taking T-Mobile to win the group - $2.85 (3 units)

good luck

Yoel and co.
07-05-2005, 09:26 AM
I also went for CSC...if only to make this Tour interesting again...can't have Lance yellow already :rolleyes:

WillHill never have these group bets - only stage wins...too bad

bad gambler
07-05-2005, 04:19 PM
OK Stage 4 is Team TT, time for real money to be made

I see massive value in Team CSC winning this TT, they will start off last and will have the knowledge of Discovery's Times. Also Riis has made it clear thet his team has been focusing hard on the stage during the off season.

Team CSC to win - $2.50 (4 units)



gutted :sad: :sad:



Also like the following group betting offered by centrebet:

T-MOBILE - TEAM 2.85

GEROLSTEINER 2.90

LIBERTY SEGUROS 5.25

CREDIT AGRICOLE 7.50

ILLES BALEARS 7.50

Taking T-Mobile to win the group - $2.85 (3 units)

good luck


some consolation.....

Yoel and co.
07-05-2005, 04:29 PM
This is NOT my week.

First Davenport loses in the finals - I had her @9.00 three weeks ago to win it all, and was one MP short :sad:

Then Zib loses today, after I was sure he will make it :sad:

Now CSC takes a close second - no consolation for me :sad:

and Sanguinetti just lost a TB to the Rainman. If he loses the game, I retire until the end of the Tour, and just hope Botero or Mayo take the King of the Mountains :o :o

charlie666
07-05-2005, 05:13 PM
Tom Boonen wins his third 2moro

Yoel and co.
07-18-2005, 07:48 PM
Anyone betting on the Green Jersey?

I know McEwen seems to be in best shape, but I fancied Oggy @ 4.00

Yoel and co.
07-18-2005, 11:09 PM
And for tomorrow...my picks are Botero or Evans

Straby
07-19-2005, 07:14 PM
And for tomorrow...my picks are Botero or Evans

Good eye mate. Very close. Too bad Evans didn't care about the stage win at the end, he was aiming for a better position in the general.
I'm on live betting at this kind of stages, it's almost impossible to choose a winner from a group of 30 riders who can win stages like this.

Yoel and co.
07-19-2005, 09:28 PM
Thank you...so close, yet so far....

I put only 1 unit - Evans was @ 17, so it would have been a real nice win...never mind

Yoel and co.
07-19-2005, 11:09 PM
And just for the sake of it, one unit on Alan Davis and one on Cooke to win tomorrow, as Australians will be looking for this (and I don't like McEwen)

Bolar Bolabi
07-20-2005, 06:44 AM
O'Grady or McEwen tonight.

If it goes down to a sprint finish like the transition between the Alps and the Pyrenees did, McEwen will win it. No one except Boonen can out-sprint McEwen and Boonen is out of the race so expect McEwen to win all stages with a sprint finish. The question now remains, which one except Sunday, will the peloton chase up? Sunday is a sure bet for McEwen.

I backed McEwen in the transition last week and I'd back him again first day out of the pyrenees.

Mind you, there's a category 3 climb near the end. Even though it's not that big, O'Grady and Cooke and Evans are within chances of winning.

As mentioned before, an Aussie will win this stage but now it's a pick of which Aussie will get up.

I'm still favouring McEwen. I'll think on it some more before I decide to back him again. He's earnt me good money this tour and his odds of around $4 are too good to pass up on. Just gotto hope that its a group finish.

Yoel and co.
07-20-2005, 09:23 AM
I would lik Oggy to win today but can't see it hapenning.

No way he out-sprints McEwen and I don't see a breakaway succeeding - Loto and CA will chase them down.

Willhill odds of 3.00 for McEwen, so I'll stick with Cooke or Davis...

Bolar Bolabi
07-20-2005, 09:28 AM
I would lik Oggy to win today but can't see it hapenning.

No way he out-sprints McEwen and I don't see a breakaway succeeding - Loto and CA will chase them down.

Willhill odds of 3.00 for McEwen, so I'll stick with Cooke or Davis...

Yep, 239km's and the green jersey up for grabs. McEwen will take it. I've got odds of 3.50 for him.

bad gambler
07-20-2005, 09:39 AM
yep McEwen is the solid bet for the day - Lotto will make sure any break away's will be accounted for by the peleton therefore leaving a good ole fashion sprint to the line

I'm on board

Straby
07-20-2005, 09:52 AM
There's a very nasty climb in the end of the stage, watch out. And besides that, Lotto is the only team who wants a sprint, because Hushovd and O'Grady know they can't defeat Robbie.
Livebetting for me again. :)

Yoel and co.
07-20-2005, 09:56 AM
There's a very nasty climb in the end of the stage, watch out. And besides that, Lotto is the only team who wants a sprint, because Hushovd and O'Grady know they can't defeat Robbie.
Livebetting for me again. :)

Where do you get livebetting on the Tour?

Straby
07-20-2005, 10:02 AM
Where do you get livebetting on the Tour?

Betfair. :cool:

bad gambler
07-20-2005, 10:05 AM
Where do you get livebetting on the Tour?
bet365 also :)

camello
07-20-2005, 10:15 AM
I don't think it will be a sprint finish today. I believe a big group of at least 10 riders will form in the first 50 km and they will get to the end. In case Lotto manages to keep them close they will be too tired (last week of tour and long stage) to control the last 10km with the 3rd category climb.

Bolar Bolabi
07-20-2005, 10:17 AM
The third cat climb is about 2 k's and there's about 8 k's flat till the finish.

It will be a sprint finish I would think. Lotto won't be doing all the work. I believe Hushovd and O'Grady's teams will help.

Bolar Bolabi
07-20-2005, 10:32 AM
There was a rest day Monday and yesterday's stage, the hors category climb was out of the way with 40k's to go. So McEwen and his team would more than likely be fresh. They did well last Friday without a rest day, they have a rest day at their disposal and an easy finish to the stage yesterday hence my strong showing for McEwen tonight and a sprint finish.

bad gambler
07-20-2005, 10:36 AM
trust me McEwen will be going all out today - he knows this is one of his last chance to claw back the gap

he is clearly the best sprinter in the field, will be interesting to see if he can claw back all those lost points

Yoel and co.
07-20-2005, 10:39 AM
I agree - can't see CA, Cofidis or Lotto allowing any break.

The only reason for CA not to chase would be if they have Moreau in the brake - that way he can improve his GP and also prevent McEwen taking points. Chances are slim, but he might want to do an Evans.

Bolar Bolabi
07-20-2005, 11:06 AM
Yep.

My final odds I got for McEwen was $3.50.

Bolar Bolabi
07-20-2005, 12:21 PM
ATM, the breakaway of 17 riders including Dekker is nearly 9 minutes ahead. 170 odd k's to go.

If it reaches 10, they'll start to peg it back.

Yoel and co.
07-20-2005, 12:33 PM
Who will ? Lotto will have to do the work alone...

Go Davis...

Bolar Bolabi
07-20-2005, 12:54 PM
Who will ? Lotto will have to do the work alone...

Go Davis...

Point taken.

There goes our bets!

Yoel and co.
07-21-2005, 08:10 AM
Davis was a bit close, but not enough...

For today - very small bets on Botero and Heras. Neither have had a good tour and if they manage to gt in the break, can negotiate the climbs

Bolar Bolabi
07-21-2005, 08:35 AM
Lance tonight I reckon. He wants to win a stage.

Straby
07-22-2005, 05:42 PM
Ullrich to finish top 3 in GC @ 1.40 (Betfair). I'm huge on it. No way that Rasmussen can hold his 2:12 lead over 55 km.

bad gambler
07-23-2005, 03:52 AM
TT

Armstrong to win - $1.40 (5 units)

Currently looking into some H2h betting, but I see Lepheimer having a big TT today, will see who he has been pitted against and pound it, assuming its not against sir lance and the fat german :p

bad gambler
07-23-2005, 03:53 AM
Ullrich to finish top 3 in GC @ 1.40 (Betfair). I'm huge on it. No way that Rasmussen can hold his 2:12 lead over 55 km.
solid strab - ras will do well to limit the loss to 3 min

though with fatty, you never know :rolleyes:

bad gambler
07-23-2005, 04:52 AM
H2h data is up:

This will be the last time i bet on cycling this year, so going for a big card!

Basso to beat Botero - $1.65 (15 units)
Leipheimer to beat Hincapie - $1.85 (10 units)
Landis to beat Julich - $1.80 (5 units)

good luck, a lot of money on this today :scared:

Straby
07-23-2005, 09:22 AM
H2h data is up:

This will be the last time i bet on cycling this year, so going for a big card!

Basso to beat Botero - $1.65 (15 units)
Leipheimer to beat Hincapie - $1.85 (10 units)
Landis to beat Julich - $1.80 (5 units)

good luck, a lot of money on this today :scared:

I'm with you on Basso. Looks like easy money. Botero had a ear infection the last few days and had to take some medication, so that can't be good for his condition.
Not so sure about Leipie. Hincapie has already surprised me more than once this Tour.

bad gambler
07-23-2005, 09:36 AM
I really am going out...

TEAM CSC 2.00

PHONAK HEARING SYSTEMS 2.75

GEROLSTEINER 6.00

ILLES BALEARS 15.00

CREDIT AGRICOLE 16.00

I'm playing team CSC to win (5 units)

Yoel and co.
07-23-2005, 09:44 AM
I'm going with one unit on Jan @ 3.5 :p

I know everyone thinks Lance will win, but I'm going on my gut feeling now (same feeling that made me lose money on every stage up to now...)

Bolar Bolabi
07-23-2005, 09:58 AM
I'm a Jan fan, he won't do it unfortunately.

Instead I parlayed.

Armstrong over Ullrich @ $1.23
Basso over Vinokourov @ $1.65
Mancebo over Rasmussen @ $1.85
Popovych over Pereiro @ $1.85

Mancebo and Popovych won domfortably over Ras and Peirero over 19 k's. Both are good long distance and should do the same over 55 k's.

Reckon I am in with a chance?

Yoel and co.
07-23-2005, 10:01 AM
I'm a Jan fan, he won't do it unfortunately.

Instead I parlayed.

Armstrong over Ullrich @ $1.23
Basso over Vinokourov @ $1.65
Mancebo over Rasmussen @ $1.85
Popovych over Pereiro @ $1.85

Mancebo and Popovych won domfortably over Ras and Peirero over 19 k's. Both are good long distance and should do the same over 55 k's.

Reckon I am in with a chance?

The only one I think is risky is Mancebo. Ras will do all he can do get a good time and motivation can do wonders at TT

Bolar Bolabi
07-23-2005, 10:04 AM
The only one I think is risky is Mancebo. Ras will do all he can do get a good time and motivation can do wonders at TT

Yeah, but Ras is a shit time trialist.

Straby
07-23-2005, 05:29 PM
Ullrich top 3
Basso vs. Botero
Lancie to win the stage (live bet)

Never in doubt. :banana:

(But I feel very sorry for Rasmussen..)

Bolar Bolabi
07-23-2005, 05:34 PM
Ullrich top 3
Basso vs. Botero
Lancie to win the stage (live bet)

Never in doubt. :banana:

(But I feel very sorry for Rasmussen..)

Basso sux.

Yoel and co.
07-23-2005, 10:41 PM
Jan did all he could...poor Ras :(

bad gambler
07-23-2005, 11:35 PM
TT

Armstrong to win - $1.40 (5 units)

Currently looking into some H2h betting, but I see Lepheimer having a big TT today, will see who he has been pitted against and pound it, assuming its not against sir lance and the fat german :p


:wavey:

bad gambler
07-23-2005, 11:36 PM
H2h data is up:

This will be the last time i bet on cycling this year, so going for a big card!

Basso to beat Botero - $1.65 (15 units)
Leipheimer to beat Hincapie - $1.85 (10 units)
Landis to beat Julich - $1.80 (5 units)

good luck, a lot of money on this today :scared:


won on basso, lost on the other 2 :(

bad gambler
07-23-2005, 11:37 PM
I really am going out...

TEAM CSC 2.00

PHONAK HEARING SYSTEMS 2.75

GEROLSTEINER 6.00

ILLES BALEARS 15.00

CREDIT AGRICOLE 16.00

I'm playing team CSC to win (5 units)

thank god i placed this bet :woohoo:

bad gambler
07-23-2005, 11:37 PM
overall nearly a 2 unit gain :)

Straby
07-24-2005, 09:59 AM
Small bet on McEwen @ 2.22 to win the stage. I'm no too sure if it's gonna be a sprint, but if so, it's nailed on.

Bolar Bolabi
07-24-2005, 02:27 PM
Small bet on McEwen @ 2.22 to win the stage. I'm no too sure if it's gonna be a sprint, but if so, it's nailed on.

It's definately going to be a sprint.

Yoel and co.
07-24-2005, 02:50 PM
It will be a sprint but if the rain continues you can expect things to get messy.