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Guga vs New King of Clay!

In_Disguise
06-06-2005, 10:39 PM
The commentators announced Nadal the new king of clay after his victory yesterday. Not since Ferrero and Guga before him has that title been rewarded so eagarly. Does Nadal deserve that title and is he better than Guga in his prime, who was adored by the Parsian crowd?

Deivid23
06-06-2005, 10:41 PM
I only love the fact JCF is surely driving himself nuts bc all of the hype Nadal is getting :yeah:

RioLaskand
06-06-2005, 10:46 PM
I think Nadal is in definitley better shape, and his ability to be able to get to the ball.

Melvins
06-06-2005, 10:56 PM
:worship: Gustavo Kuerten :worship:

In_Disguise
06-06-2005, 10:58 PM
:worship: Gustavo Kuerten :worship:

:worship: Guga :worship:

TennisLurker
06-06-2005, 11:01 PM
Ferrero was no king of clay

KoOlMaNsEaN
06-06-2005, 11:06 PM
nadal is definitely the better on grass so i pick him

blosson
06-06-2005, 11:10 PM
nadal is definitely the better on grass so i pick him

nadal better on grass? :confused:

Chloe le Bopper
06-06-2005, 11:20 PM
Did Guga not make the Wimbledon QF once?

There is not a doubt in my mind that Nadal will equal that some day. As of yet he clearly has not ;)

Scotso
06-06-2005, 11:24 PM
Ferrero was no king of clay

Where were you in 2002-2003? Surely no where near the internet or a TV... or sports news of any kind.

Nadal.

Scotso
06-06-2005, 11:26 PM
Guga's Wimbledon QF was a fluke. He's a terrible grasscourt player. That's why he's skipped it three of the past four years.

Chloe le Bopper
06-06-2005, 11:26 PM
In 2002 Ferrero had a great warmup to RG and then fell flat in the semis. In 2003 he blew really hard between Monte Carlo and Roland Garros.

Chloe le Bopper
06-06-2005, 11:27 PM
Guga's Wimbledon QF was a fluke. He's a terrible grasscourt player. That's why he's skipped it three of the past four years.
Wimbledon is a random slam with lots of random QFists. Sa, anybody? Still, Guga did it and deserves credit for that. JCF never did it ;)

Scotso
06-06-2005, 11:27 PM
Okay so what does it take to be the "King of Clay"?

In my opinion, it would be the person who gets the best results during the claycourt season.

I believe in both 2002 and 2003 that would fall to Ferrero.

Scotso
06-06-2005, 11:28 PM
Wimbledon is a random slam with lots of random QFists. Sa, anybody? Still, Guga did it and deserves credit for that. JCF never did it ;)

I didn't say he doesn't deserve credit for it :p but you can't say that a QF at Wimbledon makes someone a great grasscourt player, just like you can't call Thomas Johansson a rebound ace demon for winning the Australian Open.

Chloe le Bopper
06-06-2005, 11:32 PM
Okay so what does it take to be the "King of Clay"?

In my opinion, it would be the person who gets the best results during the claycourt season.

I believe in both 2002 and 2003 that would fall to Ferrero.
I think that "King of Clay" is somebody who was consistent and dominant on the surface. Ferrero is streaky and never struck me as unbeatable. HIs 2002 run to the finals was way more impressive than his 2003 run, but that is OT ;) It occurs to me that I exaggerated - he did not blow between MC and RG in 2003. He was just beatable by Marat and Roger, that's all. And injured at some point.

Anyways, Guga was teh last king of clay and Muster before that. All due respect to Ferrero, but he didn't match those two in dominance :shrug:

Nadal for this year has, but we'll see if he can keep it up.

;)

brazuca5copas
06-06-2005, 11:47 PM
today ? Of course Nadal would win Guga, Guga is in a really hard situation. But we have to wait some years and see if Nadal will achieves 3 French Opens like Guga did. I hope so, because I like Nadal so much. But we can't forget that it's not easy win 3 grand slams, to be number 1 for 43 weeks, win a masters cup ... The fact that Nadal is only 19 don't mean so much for me, Guga won Roland Garros for the first time with 20 years old, it's not a big difference.
About Ferrero, I don't think we was "king of clay", if he was, I think Moya was, Costa was, Agassi was, Gaudio was ... well, all the guys that have 1 French Open like him.

Billabong
06-07-2005, 12:18 AM
GUGA:worship: He had so many weapons and options on clay, simply beautiful to watch:worship: I think his best match was in 2001 against Ferrero in RG semis! And he reached that level again last year in RG, too bad his injury came back so soon after that:sad:

mandoura
06-07-2005, 12:21 AM
:worship: Guga, King of Clay :worship:
:bowdown: Nadal, Prince of Clay (still early to be christened King)

Lee
06-07-2005, 01:56 AM
In the 2002 and 2003, people can't wait to declare Ferrero the new King of Clay. In 2005, again, people can't wait to declare Nadal the new King of Clay.

Shouldn't they wait at least some players winning more than one RG crown and a few TMS titles on clay before they crowning another new King?

Chloe le Bopper
06-07-2005, 02:02 AM
In the 2002 and 2003, people can't wait to declare Ferrero the new King of Clay. In 2005, again, people can't wait to declare Nadal the new King of Clay.

Shouldn't they wait at least some players winning more than one RG crown and a few TMS titles on clay before they crowning another new King?
I don't see any problem with dropping the label on Nadal. What he did this year on clay is something that few before him have. He's in elite company.

However, if you want to wait 12 months until he has more MS under his belt, fine :angel:

Gonzo Hates Me!
06-07-2005, 03:56 AM
Ferrero was no king of clay

ppppsssshhh, i know!!!

Gonzo Hates Me!
06-07-2005, 04:00 AM
In the 2002 and 2003, people can't wait to declare Ferrero the new King of Clay. In 2005, again, people can't wait to declare Nadal the new King of Clay.

Shouldn't they wait at least some players winning more than one RG crown and a few TMS titles on clay before they crowning another new King?

:worship: i love nadal, but it makes me cringe when they call him that

NATAS81
06-07-2005, 06:23 AM
King of clay, no doubt.

Kuerten vs Nadal, good thought.

I don't think Guga will re-establish another title defense especially with all the new clay hero's coming out of the woodwork this year. Gasquet is on his way to big stuff on said surface.

To answer the question, Guga of 00-01 would have the edge vs 05 Nadal, only due to the fact Nadal is so young and wouldn't have picked up enough experience Guga had.

NYCtennisfan
06-07-2005, 07:40 AM
Guga. Even though he found most of his success on clay with increasingly good results on hardcourts, he still played what I consider beautiful tennis with ample winners coming from the FH, BH, and serve. You don't see that from most great clay kings. GUGA! GUGA! GUGA!

SuperFurryAnimal
06-07-2005, 09:15 AM
Rafa still has a long way to go before he can be compared to the great Guga!

alex.2812
06-07-2005, 09:25 AM
NADAL!

Fi-Fi
06-07-2005, 01:33 PM
RAFA!!!!...but i am biased and i'll admit it

its.like.that
06-07-2005, 01:39 PM
Guga is very overrated... he did win 3 RG titles, but Nadal would have flogged him, on any surface... Guga is lucky that he played his best tennis before Federer, JCF, etc. had fully matured...

mandoura
06-07-2005, 01:49 PM
Guga is very overrated... he did win 3 RG titles, but Nadal would have flogged him, on any surface... Guga is lucky that he played his best tennis before Federer, JCF, etc. had fully matured...

Didn't Guga beat Rogi last year in strait sets at RG? Was Rogi mature then? :D ;)

its.like.that
06-07-2005, 01:51 PM
Didn't Guga beat Rogi last year in strait sets at RG? Was Rogi mature then? :D ;)
not on clay, obviously...

Billy Moonshine
06-07-2005, 02:19 PM
Nadal is gonna be great, But Guga in his prime had more flamboyance and better serve and a much more attacking game. His groundies too were harder to return and he could just wipe u off the court. He didnt depend on his defensive game to win matches as much as Nadal does.
Both though are fab :)'

mandoura
06-07-2005, 02:25 PM
not on clay, obviously...

:lol:

So basically, Roger's defeat on clay by anyone will not amount to anything until Roger matures on clay, is that it? :D

brazuca5copas
06-07-2005, 02:51 PM
Guga is very overrated... he did win 3 RG titles, but Nadal would have flogged him, on any surface... Guga is lucky that he played his best tennis before Federer, JCF, etc. had fully matured...


This is really funny ! :haha: :haha: :haha:
Where are you in those watchs ? :shrug:

2000 Roland Garros, Semi-final
Kuerten d. Ferrero 7 5 4 6 2 6 6 4 6 3
2001 Roland Garros, semi-final
Kuerten d. Ferrero 6 4 6 4 6 3

head-to-head Guga 2 x 1 Federer

2004 Roland Garros, R32
Kuerten d. Federer 6 4 6 4 6 4
2003 Indian Wells TMS, Hard, R32 ( even in hard !!!!!!!)
Kuerten d. Federer 7 5 7 6
2002 Hamburg TMS, Clay, Q
Federer d. Kuerten 0 6 6 1 2 6

brazuca5copas
06-07-2005, 02:53 PM
not on clay, obviously...


2003 Indian Wells TMS, Hard, R32
Kuerten d. Federer 7 5 7 6

Gonzo Hates Me!
06-07-2005, 03:59 PM
don't worry kids. Anyone who thinks Guga is overrated has either: probably been watching tennis for only a year, or, just trying to play a really bad joke on us. Good one

Hagar
06-07-2005, 06:04 PM
Man, this thread is a stab in my heart because there is nothing I would want to see more on the Paris gravel than an in-form Guga. And I really don't know if we will ever see that again.
I kind of enjoyed the fact that he was in the stand of Roland Garros but at the same time I got this awkward feeling that this was almost like a player who's said goodbye to the tour...
I know that Nadal is great but so far his game hasn't really touched me emotionally.