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Coria vs Gaudio

zethand
05-19-2005, 07:13 PM
Did you read what Coria did to the Argentine Team? You must to be so low and selfish to do something like that...
Gaudio is right! But you cannot expect a lot from a person like Coria...

Chloe le Bopper
05-19-2005, 07:22 PM
This thread would be of much greater value if you would explain wtf you are talking about. Some of us went home for three days.

Action Jackson
05-19-2005, 07:23 PM
Here is the Spanish version.

http://lanacion.com.ar/deportiva/nota.asp?nota_id=705499

Gaudio atacó duro a Coria
El Gato criticó al santafecino por negarse a jugar el singles de la Copa del Mundo; "Esto no es un equipo", dijo


DUSSELDORF (EFE).- Gastón Gaudio, que hoy proporcionó el primer punto de la eliminatoria contra Chile en la Copa del Mundo por equipos, mostró hoy su indignación por la actitud del número uno de la formación argentina, Guillermo Coria, en lo que concierne a este conjunto.

Gaudio, tras vencer al chileno Fernando González, puso en duda que la formación que se encuentra en Dusseldorf se la pueda llamar realmente equipo, debido a la disposición de Coria, número uno, para afrontar las eliminatorias.

Coria se escudó hoy en unos dolores en el hombro para eludir el compromiso contra Chile, sin duda, el más duro esta semana, habida cuenta que los dos países han ganado este torneo en los tres últimos años.

El de Rufino jugó la eliminatoria contra Francia el lunes y contra la República Checa el martes, ganando sus dos partidos individuales, contra Michael Llodra y Jiri Novak, sin ceder un set. Gaudio actuó también el lunes, con victoria ante Arnaud Clement.

"Me cansé, hay que decir la verdad, esto no es un equipo, porque hay alguien que toma las decisiones eligiendo lo mejor para él", dijo Gaudio en alusión directa a Coria, en la conferencia de prensa.

Según Gaudio la decisión de Coria de no jugar esta eliminatoria, ha obligado a Guillermo Cañas a saltar hoy a la pista con fiebre en el segundo encuentro contra Nicolás Massú.

"Comprendo que un jugador esté cansado y, de cara a Roland Garros decida descansar, pero no en el partido más importante", dijo Gaudio.

Al parecer, anoche, tanto Juan Ignacio Chela como Guillermo Cañas se acercaron a Coria para comentarle que en un duelo tan trascendental como éste su concurso sería importante. Coria les remitió directamente a su fisioterapeuta, Ivan Gutiérrez, para hacerles comprender que no estaba en condiciones.

Coria actúa en Dusseldorf como número uno del equipo, y aunque no hay una regla escrita al respecto, el número uno de cada formación elige a los jugadores que le acompañan en esta competición, y su entrenador, en este caso, el español José Perlas, ejerce como capitán del equipo.

"Aquí, las decisiones no se toman por el conjunto del equipo, son unipersonales", señaló Gaudio al respecto.

The English version:


A huge thank you to Vale for translating this article

I haven't found a transcript of the press conference anywhere, but this is what appeared in La Nación:

http://lanacion.com.ar/deportiva/no...?nota_id=705499

Thursday 19 May 2005

GAUDIO SPOKE HARSHLY OF CORIA

“I’m fed up, one has to tell the truth, this isn’t a team because there’s somebody who makes the decisions choosing what’s best for him”, said the Gato about the man from Santa Fe.


DÜSSELDORF.- Gastón Gaudio, who today obtained the first point against Chile to qualify for the finals in the World Team Cup, showed his indignation at the attitude of the team’s number one player, Guillermo Coria, regarding the team.

After beating the Chilean Fernando González, Gaudio cast doubts on whether the group now in Düsseldorf can really be called a team, in view of the number one Coria’s unwillingness to face the qualifying rounds.

Coria used the excuse of pains in his shoulder to shirk the commitment against Chile, undoubtedly the toughest of the week considering that the two countries have won this tournament in the last three years.

The man from Rufino played against France on Monday and against the Czech Republic on Tuesday, winning his two singles matches against Michael Llodra and Jiri Novak without losing a set. Gaudio also played on Monday, when he beat Arnaud Clement.

“I’m fed up, one has to tell the truth, this isn’t a team because there’s somebody who makes the decisions choosing what’s best for him”, said Gaudio during the press conference, in direct reference to Coria.

According to Gaudio, Coria’s decision not to play against Chile has obliged Cañas to go on court today with a fever for the second match against Massú.

“I understand that a player can be feeling tired and decide to rest, being so close to Roland Garros, but not for the most important match”, said Gaudio.

Apparently yesterday evening both Juan Ignacio Chela and Guillermo Cañas approached Coria to tell him that for such an important duel his participation would be important. Coria sent them directly to talk to his physiotherapist, Ivan Gutiérrez, to make them understand that he wasn’t in fit condition.

In Düsseldorf Coria acts as number one of the team and even though the rule is unwritten, the number one of each team choses the players to accompany him for this competition and his coach, José Perlas in this case, is the captain of the team.

”Here the decisions are not taken by the full team, they’re taken by one person”, Gaudio pointed out.

Chloe le Bopper
05-19-2005, 07:25 PM
All of this over... World Team Cup? Yikes. Thanks for the laughs, Gaudio.

Action Jackson
05-19-2005, 07:27 PM
All of this over... World Team Cup? Yikes. Thanks for the laughs, Gaudio.

He could have always not played the tournament, at least Coria played the hard matches.

Chloe le Bopper
05-19-2005, 07:31 PM
He could have always not played the tournament, at least Coria played the hard matches.
Maybe Coria actually was fatigued and something was wrong after playing the first two? :shrug: I can crack on Coria with the best of them, but you'll have to forgive me for thinking that Gaudio is about as objective as Rosie. Yeah, he was actually there... but given their history, would you take anything Coria said about Gaudio at face value? I wouldn't, and I won't do the reverse.

Um, also, it's World Team Cup. I could not care less about World Team Cup.

Raquel
05-19-2005, 07:32 PM
Coria used the excuse of pains in his shoulder to shirk the commitment against Chile, undoubtedly the toughest of the week considering that the two countries have won this tournament in the last three years.


So Coria thought Chile would be the toughest test of the week and rather than play, he used the "excuse" of shoulder pains? I don't think Coria would be scared of taking anyone on - the toughest competition of the week or not. Unless he just couldn't be bothered. I was surprised he did play this week at all.

Julio1974
05-19-2005, 07:35 PM
All of this over... World Team Cup? Yikes. Thanks for the laughs, Gaudio.

I couldn't agree more with you... Gaudio, Coria and Cañas should be training to win RG instead of losing their time there. This tournament cannot be taken seriously. In Argentina, nobody gives a damm about it. We are all waiting for RG. In fact, the most important news article published this week are about RG. Gaudio likes to talk too much with the media. He did the same when they players decided to remove Luza.

Chloe le Bopper
05-19-2005, 07:35 PM
So Coria thought Chile would be the toughest test of the week and rather than play, he used the "excuse" of shoulder pains? I don't think Coria would be scared of taking anyone on - the toughest competition of the week or not. Unless he just couldn't be bothered. I was surprised he did play this week at all.
Coria is 7-0 against Massu and Gonzo :)

Of course, seeing as they could have been the toughest competition and Coria opted out... well that lends weight to his apparently problems with his physical condition, doesn't it? :shrug:

TennisLurker
05-19-2005, 07:37 PM
At least we know they are not buddy buddy

When I saw that Coria chose Gaudio to play WTC, I thought, I guess now they get along.

Action Jackson
05-19-2005, 07:37 PM
Maybe Coria actually was fatigued and something was wrong after playing the first two? :shrug: I can crack on Coria with the best of them, but you'll have to forgive me for thinking that Gaudio is about as objective as Rosie. Yeah, he was actually there... but given their history, would you take anything Coria said about Gaudio at face value? I wouldn't, and I won't do the reverse.

Um, also, it's World Team Cup. I could not care less about World Team Cup.

Here is a take on this are you questioning my objectivity initially? First of all I can see Coria promised to go to WTC even though it wasn't in his best interests to do so, but having Perlas as team captain might have been something in it.

At the same time sure Coria is fatigued, but he could have just played this match against the best team and leave the first 2 rounds to either Cañas or Chela, one that would mean more rest, two they could have taken care of that and lastly he plays against a better player and the committment is honoured and doesn't create disharmony.

Actually him not watching the teammates play is more of an issue than the first one and no the WTC is not the be all end all. The only thing is that sure it's a minor tournament but does that set a precedent for Davis Cup.

Chloe le Bopper
05-19-2005, 07:38 PM
I wasn't questioning your objectivity, I was questioning Gaudio's.

gogo_guga
05-19-2005, 07:40 PM
Coria is an assface!!!

Action Jackson
05-19-2005, 07:41 PM
I couldn't agree more with you... Gaudio, Coria and Cañas should be training to win RG instead of losing their time there. This tournament cannot be taken seriously. In Argentina, nobody gives a damm about it. We are all waiting for RG. In fact, the most important news article published this week are about RG. Gaudio likes to talk too much with the media. He did the same when they players decided to remove Luza.

Considering Luza was a problem and there is a captain now that everyone and not just one player respects isn't that for the overall benefit? These are glorified practice matches and only the fact that it's a team competition makes it a bit different.

Action Jackson
05-19-2005, 07:42 PM
I wasn't questioning your objectivity, I was questioning Gaudio's.

Just making sure, then again some people don't think I criticise Gaudio enough.

DanEd
05-19-2005, 07:43 PM
gaudio had to play against novak but coria replaced him pleasantly.

Chloe le Bopper
05-19-2005, 07:44 PM
gaudio had to play against novak but coria replaced him pleasantly.
Why?

Action Jackson
05-19-2005, 07:45 PM
gaudio had to play against novak but coria replaced him pleasantly.

How would be the case when it was Cañas that replaced Gaudio in that match, all Coria did was move up a ranking place, there is a difference.

Raquel
05-19-2005, 07:47 PM
CThese are glorified practice matches
I am not sure if they are quite that meaningless. That was the impression I got during the Canas v Massu match today. Maybe that was different as it was two South American teams facing off so there was a bit more national pride at stake but there was definitely a bit of bad feeling between them today.

Action Jackson
05-19-2005, 07:49 PM
I am not sure if they are quite that meaningless. That was the impression I got during the Canas v Massu match today. Maybe that was different as it was two South American teams facing off so there was a bit more national pride at stake but there was definitely a bit of bad feeling between them today.

Argentina vs Chile well never just be a friendly and Massu took an injury time out and was moving very well afterwards and Cañas wasn't keen on that, so that added to the tension.

Julio1974
05-19-2005, 07:49 PM
I am not sure if they are quite that meaningless. That was the impression I got during the Canas v Massu match today. Maybe that was different as it was two South American teams facing off so there was a bit more national pride at stake but there was definitely a bit of bad feeling between them today.

What I heard (but can't confirmed) is that Cañas did not like some attitudes from Massuh (I don't know if he faked a cramp or what).

DanEd
05-19-2005, 07:55 PM
How would be the case when it was Cañas that replaced Gaudio in that match, all Coria did was move up a ranking place, there is a difference.

coria replaced gaudio not canas.

foul_dwimmerlaik
05-19-2005, 07:56 PM
There's definitely no love lost between the two. Coria shouldn't have played the WC at all, but since he did play, it kind of sucks that he snubbed the tie. Then again, the shoulder might have really bothered him, and in that case I understand his unwillingness to aggravate it before the RG. Anyway, it's much ado about nothing.

World Beater
05-19-2005, 07:56 PM
this isnt davis cup gaudio...its a glorified exhibition

DanEd
05-19-2005, 07:58 PM
What I heard (but can't confirmed) is that Cañas did not like some attitudes from Massuh (I don't know if he faked a cramp or what).


yeah canas recriminated massu when shaked hands.

Action Jackson
05-19-2005, 07:59 PM
coria replaced gaudio not canas.

Ok, how do you work that out.

First match: Gaudio, Coria
Second match: Coria, Cañas
Third match: Gaudio, Cañas

So how is it that Coria was in the team for both match 1 and 2 and Gaudio wasn't for the second and was replaced Cañas. The only thing that changed for Coria was the rank, but Cañas replaced Gaudio in the team for match 2.

Truc
05-19-2005, 08:01 PM
Actually him not watching the teammates play is more of an issue than the first one and no the WTC is not the be all end all. The only thing is that sure it's a minor tournament but does that set a precedent for Davis Cup.
Coria wasn't there today, it's true, but I never saw the other argentinian players watching their teammates during the first encounters neither. This is something I've noticed since the first day of the event. When the other teams were playing we always saw the other players cheering in the crowd, but never when the argentinian team was playing. At least that is my impression.

Action Jackson
05-19-2005, 08:03 PM
Coria wasn't there today, it's true, but I never saw the other argentinian players watching their teammates during the first encounters neither. They were not watching him too. This is something I've noticed since the first day of the event. When the other teams were playing we always saw the other players cheering in the crowd, but never when the argentinian team was playing. At least that is my impression.

If that was the case then that doesn't help a create a team atmosphere, obviously it's not expected they sit there for the whole match, they have to prepare as well for their own games, but that alone says more than most words.

Chloe le Bopper
05-19-2005, 08:06 PM
Coria wasn't there today, it's true, but I never saw the other argentinian players watching their teammates during the first encounters neither. This is something I've noticed since the first day of the event. When the other teams were playing we always saw the other players cheering in the crowd, but never when the argentinian team was playing. At least that is my impression.
That's probably all Coria's fault too. He probably instructed them not to watch his matches. That's just the kind of assface that he is!

Raquel
05-19-2005, 08:06 PM
I saw Gaudio sitting in the stands during the Canas match. I think he was sitting with his girlfriend (if he has one). A girl had her arm round him anyway.

swap348
05-19-2005, 08:07 PM
Coria is 7-0 against Massu and Gonzo :)

Of course, seeing as they could have been the toughest competition and Coria opted out... well that lends weight to his apparently problems with his physical condition, doesn't it? :shrug:

Argentina's dream team of Gaston Gaudio and Guillermo Canas ended Chile's bid to become the first nation to win a hat-trick of World Team Cup titles with a 3-0 victory on Thursday...................................

***To compound Chile's misery, Guillermo Coria and Juan Ignacio Chela completed the whitewash with a 6-4 6-3 success in the doubles against Adrian Garcia and Hermes Gamonal.***

Link: http://www.eurosport.com/home/pages/v4/l0/s57/e7323/sport_lng0_spo57_evt7323_sto720561.shtml

I think last time coria won against Gonzalez the score was some thing like 7-6 5-7 6-4. So i guess he didn't want himself to be engaged in a marathon match just before RG. :shrug:

Action Jackson
05-19-2005, 08:08 PM
I so Gaudio sitting in the stands during the Canas match. I think he was sitting with his girlfriend (if he has one). A girl had her arm round him anyway.

Yes, that is his girlfriend Marcela.

Action Jackson
05-19-2005, 08:08 PM
I think last time coria won against Gonzalez the score was some thing like 7-6 5-7 6-4. So i guess he didn't want himself to be engaged in a marathon match just before RG. :shrug:

The way the rankings are Coria would have played Massu.

Julio1974
05-19-2005, 08:10 PM
If that was the case then that doesn't help a create a team atmosphere, obviously it's not expected they sit there for the whole match, they have to prepare as well for their own games, but that alone says more than most words.

The team atmosphere was great in the last match of the DC. But gaudio was not there because he said he was injured.

Truc
05-19-2005, 08:11 PM
Yes, Gaudio was there today during the Canas match, I saw him too. I was speaking about the first days.

DanEd
05-19-2005, 08:12 PM
Ok, how do you work that out.

First match: Gaudio, Coria
Second match: Coria, Cañas
Third match: Gaudio, Cañas

So how is it that Coria was in the team for both match 1 and 2 and Gaudio wasn't for the second and was replaced Cañas. The only thing that changed for Coria was the rank, but Cañas replaced Gaudio in the team for match 2.

maybe you are right but coria said that .

Action Jackson
05-19-2005, 08:12 PM
The team atmosphere was great in the last match of the DC. But gaudio was not there because he said he was injured.

Ok, you want to start that then. Who was injured in Malaga then?

Action Jackson
05-19-2005, 08:13 PM
maybe you are right but coria said that .

I see what you mean. Coria replaced Gaudio as # 1, but Cañas took Gaudio's spot in the team for that match.

Julio1974
05-19-2005, 08:14 PM
Ok, you want to start that then. Who was injured in Malaga then?

I was one of the few who defended Gaudio in Malaga. I won't argue about that. What the Argentine media did with Gaudio was disgusting. He was the only one who show there, despite he knew he was playing very bad.

Action Jackson
05-19-2005, 08:20 PM
I was one of the few who defended Gaudio in Malaga. I won't argue about that. What the Argentine media did with Gaudio was disgusting. He was the only one who show there, despite he knew he was playing very bad.

I wouldn't have bothered to mention that except you insinuate that the team spirit was good cause Gaudio was allegedly injured in DC, without acknowledging the necessary changes. Here it is the vast majority of players respect Mancini that is progress from the previous situation.

This situation could have been easily avoided, but these players are pros and if they are in that environment then they have to pro about it no matter how much they don't like each other.

Carito_90
05-19-2005, 08:28 PM
Coria has the right to decide which matches he wants to play, taking into account HE was the one that reached MC and Rome final, plus the quaters of Hamburg.
You go whine to the media, Gaston, while Guille rests and comes out on fire for RG :)
Yep, that'd be just fine :)

tennyfan
05-19-2005, 09:35 PM
I don't understand what Gaudio is whining about. It seems the Argentine captain is rotating their players so all of them get to Roland Garros with some amount of rest. The first day, Gaudio and Coria played singles while Chela/Canas played doubles. Second day Coria and Canas played singles while Gaudio/Chela played doubles. Now today Gaudio and Canas played singles and Coria/Chela played doubles. Coria hasn't played any less than Gaudio.

willie
05-19-2005, 09:45 PM
gaudio and his stupid comments, bahhh, what can we expect of a stupid person.

alexito
05-19-2005, 10:03 PM
coria was, is and will be always always always the problem. argentina, this way, never win davis cup.

Rogiman
05-19-2005, 10:13 PM
Why not call this stupid event off already? :confused:

Oh, I forgot...obviously tennis players like team sports, or otherwise they would have chosen an individual sport instead :rolleyes:

tennyfan
05-19-2005, 10:20 PM
Alexito ... I think you have it backwards. Gaudio is causing this problem right now. The Davis Cup team was very united indeed and Coria was part of it. Hopman Cup with Coria part of it was a well oiled machine.

lau
05-19-2005, 10:24 PM
I`m with Coria in this one... Gaudio shouldn`t say that to the press.
But I really don`t care.
Both of them are acting like divas. :rolleyes: There were, are and will be problems between them. That`s clear ;) .

Sommarsverige
05-19-2005, 10:39 PM
My only comment on this thread is that I can´t stand these Coria against the rest of the world threads anymore.....

lau
05-19-2005, 10:45 PM
My only comment on this thread is that I can´t stand these Coria against the rest of the world threads anymore.....
I agree ;) And I`m not Coria`s fan, I was cheering for Gaudio in the RG 2004 final, etc, etc, etc.

User id 7816
05-19-2005, 10:51 PM
Why not call this stupid event off already? :confused:

Oh, I forgot...obviously tennis players like team sports, or otherwise they would have chosen an individual sport instead :rolleyes:

it's just for the love of being a part of a perfectly harmonized team like that :rolleyes:

Rogiman
05-19-2005, 11:03 PM
it's just for the love of being a part of a perfectly harmonized team like that :rolleyes:

That's exactly the thing...

These guys are used to playing for themselves with only their (huge) egos on their side, then all of a sudden they're part of a so called "team", when it couldn't be more obvious they only care about themselves - which is great, I mean - that's why I liked tennis in the first place, it's an individual sport and unlike any team sports your player is always the same guy - not just a name of a club you once used to like and whose players have all been replaced since last season, so why in the world do we need this kind of silly team-competition, especially when the real-deal begins on monday and apparently they all would rather avoid playing and for a reason.

By the way - Davis Cup sucks too ,I don't care what others say :p

TennisLurker
05-19-2005, 11:03 PM
We should give them weapons, for Gaston a whip and a shield, nunchakus for Coria

NYCtennisfan
05-19-2005, 11:12 PM
I smell a good old-fashioned cat fight!

willie
05-20-2005, 12:00 AM
i hate so much gaudio, he is always doing this stupid things, he is idiot, hope he looses rg in first round!:(

User id 7816
05-20-2005, 01:56 AM
That's exactly the thing...

These guys are used to playing for themselves with only their (huge) egos on their side, then all of a sudden they're part of a so called "team", when it couldn't be more obvious they only care about themselves - which is great, I mean - that's why I liked tennis in the first place, it's an individual sport and unlike any team sports your player is always the same guy - not just a name of a club you once used to like and whose players have all been replaced since last season, so why in the world do we need this kind of silly team-competition, especially when the real-deal begins on monday and apparently they all would rather avoid playing and for a reason.

By the way - Davis Cup sucks too ,I don't care what others say :p

well i feel the same, tennis will never be a team sport even if they have 10 team cups, so its a bit ridiculous to have competitions between teams. i think the players represent their countries individually well enough and they don't have to gather to do it as a group to feel patriotic or whatever, i understand that some guys feel more patriotic and love to play for the flag like Gaudio, so if they're into it it's only good, I'll support the guy whatever he plays for.

*Ljubica*
05-20-2005, 10:21 AM
i hate so much gaudio, he is always doing this stupid things, he is idiot, hope he looses rg in first round!:(

As I understand it Willie, - this isn't a case of Gaudio "whining" to the Press - Canas and Chela were said to be equally unhappy about Coria's diva behaviour - and Gaston was just their spokesperson. The story, as I heard it from someone who knows all parties involved, was that Canas and Chela both approached Coria about his decision not to play, because they thought it damaged Team morale, and were sceptical about his "shoulder" so wanted to talk to him "man to man". But he refused to even speak with them and referred them to his physiotherapist, - he didn't treat them with any respect and then wouldn't go to watch any of the matches that day either. OK Gaston was the one who spoke to the Press (and maybe he shouldn't have done so and should have kept quiet on this occasion) - but he was not making a personal attack against Coria - it was the view of the rest of the team - he was just the spokesperson.

Earlier on this week I actually commended Coria's decision to play for his country in this event and for keeping his word to the organisers - I admit I can't stand him personally but I can be objective despite some people here thinking to the contrary! But sadly this latest situation only increases my negative view of him If his main objective is to do well at RG (fair enough - good for him - most people would agree with that decision) - then he should have practised for this individually and not taken part in a Team event where his sudden changes of heart and mind effected other people, not just himself. He could have practised with other players at Roland Garros like Agassi and Henman are doing, - or if he wanted real "matches" then he could have taken part in an exhibition tourney like the one Nalbandian and Roddick are playing in - at least that way if he suddenly decided not to play or didn't feel up to it - then he was only damaging himself not others. By agreeing to play in a TEAM event, he should have accepted that he was part of that Team and considered his colleagues' feelings.The WTC may not mean much to him but it obviously does to the other Team members, especially as they are representing their country, not themselves. Perhaps he should have considered the consequences to others involved and less of himself then Gaudio's comments to the Press would never have happened would they?

Action Jackson
05-20-2005, 10:21 AM
I wonder how many people would call Gaudio a chicken shit if he was the one who played the easier matches and sat out the toughest one?

Julio1974
05-20-2005, 11:49 AM
I`m with Coria in this one... Gaudio shouldn`t say that to the press.
But I really don`t care.
Both of them are acting like divas. :rolleyes: There were, are and will be problems between them. That`s clear ;) .

That's the right word: divas!!!

Julio1974
05-20-2005, 11:55 AM
As I understand it Willie, - this isn't a case of Gaudio "whining" to the Press - Canas and Chela were said to be equally unhappy about Coria's diva behaviour - and Gaston was just their spokesperson. The story, as I heard it from someone who knows all parties involved, was that Canas and Chela both approached Coria about his decision not to play, because they thought it damaged Team morale, and were sceptical about his "shoulder" so wanted to talk to him "man to man". But he refused to even speak with them and referred them to his physiotherapist, - he didn't treat them with any respect and then wouldn't go to watch any of the matches that day either. OK Gaston was the one who spoke to the Press (and maybe he shouldn't have done so and should have kept quiet on this occasion) - but he was not making a personal attack against Coria - it was the view of the rest of the team - he was just the spokesperson.

Earlier on this week I actually commended Coria's decision to play for his country in this event and for keeping his word to the organisers - I admit I can't stand him personally but I can be objective despite some people here thinking to the contrary! But sadly this latest situation only increases my negative view of him If his main objective is to do well at RG (fair enough - good for him - most people would agree with that decision) - then he should have practised for this individually and not taken part in a Team event where his sudden changes of heart and mind effected other people, not just himself. He could have practised with other players at Roland Garros like Agassi and Henman are doing, - or if he wanted real "matches" then he could have taken part in an exhibition tourney like the one Nalbandian and Roddick are playing in - at least that way if he suddenly decided not to play or didn't feel up to it - then he was only damaging himself not others. By agreeing to play in a TEAM event, he should have accepted that he was part of that Team and considered his colleagues' feelings.The WTC may not mean much to him but it obviously does to the other Team members, especially as they are representing their country, not themselves. Perhaps he should have considered the consequences to others involved and less of himself then Gaudio's comments to the Press would never have happened would they?

Rosie,
I disagree this time with you. Every player has played two single matches and one double. What Gaudio was asking to Coria was to play more than the other players because they think it was important to beat Chile. So, they were asking Coria to make a bigger effort than the one they have made. I don't think they have the right to do that 3 days before RG. And I don't think that Coria's tiredness is an excuse. Even you said before that he should be very tired after Rome and Hamburg (you cannot even begin to compare Coria's perfomance with Gaudio and Cañas' in those tournaments). I only agree with you that Coria should have talked to them in person.

Action Jackson
05-20-2005, 12:06 PM
Rosie,
I disagree this time with you. Every player has played two single matches and one double. What Gaudio was asking to Coria was to play more than the other players because they think it was important to beat Chile. So, they were asking Coria to make a bigger effort than the one they have made. I don't think they have the right to do that 3 days before RG. And I don't think that Coria's tiredness is an excuse. Even you said before that he should be very tired after Rome and Hamburg (you cannot even begin to compare Coria's perfomance with Gaudio and Cañas' in those tournaments). I only agree with you that Coria should have talked to them in person.

Chela hasn't played a singles match. If they had some communication beforehand then the problem could have been solved as in save him for the Chile as match as they would want their best team, but it seems predetermined that Coria was going only going to play R1 and R2 singles and not the 3rd one and they knew the format was going to be that they were playing Chile last, so it worked out well for Coria then.

nermo
05-20-2005, 12:57 PM
I don't understand what Gaudio is whining about. It seems the Argentine captain is rotating their players so all of them get to Roland Garros with some amount of rest. The first day, Gaudio and Coria played singles while Chela/Canas played doubles. Second day Coria and Canas played singles while Gaudio/Chela played doubles. Now today Gaudio and Canas played singles and Coria/Chela played doubles. Coria hasn't played any less than Gaudio. posted by tenny fan

This is as childish as that shit happened between ferrero and Safin last week
Coria and everyone has the right to play or not according to his physical and mental Condition..The guy made a commitment aboutplaying the tour and he is playing it..it may be wrong not to speak to Chela and canas by himself..but its very rude to speak that way in public about a player in my team..and he couldnot behave as a spokesman cuz other players have tongues and they have the right to deal with it themselves..Canas himself didnt mention it..SO Gaudio ..Tennyfan has said it..Period.

Action Jackson
05-20-2005, 01:01 PM
posted by tennyfan

This is as childish as that shit happened between ferrero and Safin last week
Coria and everyone has the right to play or not according to his physical and mental Condition..The guy made a commitment aboutplaying the tour and he is playing it..it may be wrong not to speak to Chela and canas by himself..but its very rude to speak that way in public about a player in my team..and he couldnot behave as a spokesman cuz other players have tongues and they have the right to deal with it themselves..Canas himself didnt mention it..SO Gaudio ..Tennyfan has said it..Period.

One of your best ever posts.

nermo
05-20-2005, 01:07 PM
One of your best ever posts posted by GWH

Thanks. :) .Couldnt be much more satisfied

lennon402
05-20-2005, 01:17 PM
After the match with Rafel Nadal twice, He really be tired and need rest.

Good Luck! Guillermo mago Coria.

See u in Roland Carlos

Jim Jones
05-20-2005, 01:20 PM
Why does the WTC exist anyway? It carries 0 ATP points and is just an inferior version of the Davis Cup. It is only good for practice matches for players who if they lose their first match can still play a minimum of 2 more matches. So what if Coria is not playing at WTC? Argentina is in the finals. The really clever players are those who decided to play in Austria since it carries ATP points and where most of the top players decided not to play there thus giving many players there the chance to improve on their ranking like Christophe Rochus.

zethand
05-20-2005, 01:41 PM
I have to say that I really enjoy people speaking out for their players...
I honestly didnt expect it.. but you were more civilized than Roddicks fans..(of course with exeptions but in general I mean it was pretty good...)
I dont like Gaudio, either Coria.. but you have good points.. both are very strange people... and their hate (between them) is undeniable!

Action Jackson
05-20-2005, 01:44 PM
The players who play the WTC usually don't need the ranking points and 3 matches is enough practice especially if they have had a hard season.

boliviana
05-20-2005, 04:32 PM
Couple of observations . . . not necessarily tied together . . .

first of all . .. MEOW!! Cat fight!!!!!!! :devil:

How much of this is posturing and mind-games for RG? pretty much can go for either idiot . . . they both have an awful lot at stake . . . one has to prove that he is not a fluke and the other has to prove that he is something other than the perpetual jilted bridesmaid. And on a global stage.

Gaudio . . . how do you take him seriously when he goes out there and plays with tremendous sincerity one match and then tanks it the next . . . that is my biggest issue with him as a player.

Coria . . . he's a primadona and a handful. I like watching him and am definitely pulling for him but he likes to pull shit like this. Doesn't make me really happy but ultimately he is the one who has to pay the price . . . I'm a great believer in karma and payback. I don't think he gets any of that or that he cares. Very centered on his universe.

They will never get past their home history . . . one is annointed the next argentinian god of tennis and is accorded a lot of benefits as a result and the other has to scramble and struggle. I'm sure the Argentinian press help fuel the fires too . . .

In Coria's defense (possibly) . . . the schedule is ridiculous. That's a lot of high stakes tennis in a very short period . . . and he has been rubbing his shoulder between points, etc. Gaudio has not played as much tennis as Coria this spring.

And totally off-topic :topic: . . . why the hell is Roddick seeded 2? I don't understand at all . . . because he won some god forsaken something in Houston a month ago?

TGIF . . . I have to get to work (yuck)

mitalidas
05-20-2005, 07:01 PM
Hot off the press.... BBC

ARGIE BARGY

A year on from Gaston Gaudio's French Open victory over Guillermo Coria and it seems the Argentine pair are still not on the best terms.

After Coria chose to sit out Argentina's World Team Cup clash with Chile, Gaudio made his feelings clear.

"I'm fed up," said the French Open champion.

"Let's be truthful, this isn't a team because there's someone who makes decisions choosing the best for himself."

Coria's replacement, Guillermo Canas, weighed in: "I originally did not want to play but Guillermo said he felt worse than me.

"I'm taking antibiotics and I cannot play in the final on Saturday."

Coria admitted that "everyone knows we're not friends", but insisted: "I haven't got any problems with Gaston.

"If I thought only about myself I'd have stayed in Barcelona or gone directly to Roland Garros.

He added: "It's better to arrange things face-to-face and not say them to the press."

MeluG
05-21-2005, 06:36 PM
For me this whole discussion is pointless. I am a Gaudio fan and I dislike Coria due to his antisportive behaviour oncourt and offcourt but on this one I canno back Gaudio up.
Gaston made a terrible mistake by talking about internal problems with a player to the world press during a press conference and Coria made it worse by saying that with Gaudio they get along just fine. I know GG and that's not true, they don't even say hi to each other. If you see them together posing for a pic, it's because the photographer begs fot it.
Coria might have skipped the singles match against Chile but Gaudio did the same against C. Republic this same week, so what's his point? He's complaining about something that he did himself and that's not ethical and not good for his concentration considering we are hours away from the championship he has to defend.
It's a pitty, but Gaston let me down this time =O(

Chloe le Bopper
05-21-2005, 06:55 PM
I guess that Coria's lack of team spirit caused Gaudio to get flattened by Haas.

NATAS81
05-21-2005, 06:56 PM
lol

Jogy
05-21-2005, 07:41 PM
They must realize how strong they are in a team and not bitching. If Argentina team is not injured they don't need both Gaudio AND Coria in team to win. Canas, Nalbandian are strong for most countries. But if one has injury they have see that they need others to come playing.

Gaudio made not clever statement this week. At the end it was Coria who WON for the team easy.

Jogy
05-21-2005, 07:49 PM
There is reason why Argetina team did not win Davis Cup since a 50 years? or what?
they have good players and they can do it in this time

SwiSha
05-21-2005, 08:06 PM
funny thread :yeah: :lol:

J. Corwin
05-21-2005, 08:25 PM
Isn't World Team Tennis pretty much an exhibition tournament? I would think RG is a tad bit more important. ;)

Daniel
05-21-2005, 11:28 PM
Gaudio :yawn:

zethand
05-22-2005, 02:37 AM
Isn't World Team Tennis pretty much an exhibition tournament? I would think RG is a tad bit more important. ;)
It´s a good train for RG... I dont know if it matters but it´s a good opportunity to play against good clay tennis players.. so not that bad.. Ask Haas... ;)

Lee
05-22-2005, 02:54 AM
http://eur.news1.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/ng/sp/ap/20050521/16/119185824.jpg

mitalidas
05-22-2005, 01:42 PM
http://eur.news1.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/ng/sp/ap/20050521/16/119185824.jpg
if I am not imagining things or doing poppsychology, the body language seems to be gaudio leaning away and to the other side than coria :devil: