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Federer joins Ferrero and Guga as the only active players to win 3tms clay titles!

makro120
05-15-2005, 01:39 PM
Only Guga with 4 clay tms has more than him, only counting players who still are active in their career.

Ferrero has 3 while NAdal and Coria have both 2, but Nadal is afterall only 18.. :eek:

Action Jackson
05-15-2005, 01:40 PM
Just another excuse to gloat about Federer.

Neverthless congrats to Roger for defending his Hamburg title, he is almost as good as Medvedev there, now it's time to bring it to the real place.

Sjengster
05-15-2005, 01:40 PM
Erm, isn't Ferrero part of the same generation as Federer, makro? Because he achieved that feat you mention above over two years ago, and he's won two out of the three TMS events, something Federer hasn't managed.

makro120
05-15-2005, 01:41 PM
Yeah, Federer gives me many excuses to gloat about him.

makro120
05-15-2005, 01:42 PM
Erm, isn't Ferrero part of the same generation as Federer, makro? Because he achieved that feat you mention above over two years ago, and he's won two out of the three TMS events, something Federer hasn't managed.

ISn't Ferrero 2 years older? Isn't he part of Safin's generation?

I don't know really, but atleast Federer has at a younger age got as many tms titles as Ferrero. Now only RG is missing to truly be counted among the great clay court players.

Action Jackson
05-15-2005, 01:43 PM
Federer has only won the 1 clay event 3x whereas Ferrero has won 2 of them and been in the final of the other.

makro120
05-15-2005, 01:43 PM
YEah, but Federer is younger and has also been to the final of Rome.

oxy
05-15-2005, 01:45 PM
Ferrero has been to the final of all 3 clay masters....and won 3!!! he is only a year older than federer.

Action Jackson
05-15-2005, 01:45 PM
YEah, but Federer is younger and has also been to the final of Rome.

Not the point it has been done before by current players playing the game.

Jenrios
05-15-2005, 01:47 PM
Erm, isn't Ferrero part of the same generation as Federer, makro? Because he achieved that feat you mention above over two years ago, and he's won two out of the three TMS events, something Federer hasn't managed.

I like Fed, but have to agree with Sjengster. And yes, it is shameless Fed gloating:)

Action Jackson
05-15-2005, 01:48 PM
Ferrero achieved this at the same age.

makro120
05-15-2005, 01:49 PM
So what is your point? My only point is that Federer is 1st to win 3 tms clay titles in his age (compared to players 23 years and younger in the atp), not that he has won all 3 clay TMS titles.

mitalidas
05-15-2005, 01:49 PM
Federer and ferrero are of the same generation
they turned pro in 1998 and are part of the new balls scheme
being a year older, year younger, doesn't separate the generations

for then roddick would be in a later generation from Federer, and nadal in a still later generation than roddick

awesome win for Roger, but unfortunately --the past wins in Hamburg have meant little for the performance in Paris

Action Jackson
05-15-2005, 01:51 PM
So what is your point? My only point is that Federer is 1st to win 3 tms clay titles in his age (compared to players 23 years and younger in the atp), not that he has won all 3 clay TMS titles.

Well just proved it was shameless Fed gloating and that Ferrero has done more on clay at that age and not just win the same event 3 times.

Auscon
05-15-2005, 01:51 PM
How many people consider Federer and Ferrero to be of different generations of player??

for me, Safin, Ferrero, Federer, Hewitt, Roddick, etc all in the same gen

mitalidas
05-15-2005, 01:52 PM
How many people consider Federer and Ferrero to be of different generations of player??

for me, Safin, Ferrero, Federer, Hewitt, Roddick, etc all in the same gen

yeah agree
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=1676313&postcount=13

Deivid23
05-15-2005, 01:53 PM
I think Nadal has a small shot at beating that.

buddyholly
05-15-2005, 01:55 PM
Generations are pretty short in makro's experience.

mitalidas
05-15-2005, 01:55 PM
I think Nadal has a small shot at beating that.

probably Coria has a little chance too

oxy
05-15-2005, 01:58 PM
hmmm let me try this....

Ferrero is the 1st player in his generation to win RG, Monte-Carlo twice and Rome and finalist in RG, Hamburg.

Auscon
05-15-2005, 01:59 PM
hmmm let me try this....

Ferrero is the 1st player in his generation to win RG, Monte-Carlo twice and Rome and finalist in RG, Hamburg.

yeah, he's done some stuff too :)

oxy
05-15-2005, 02:01 PM
i have another one....

Nadal is the first player in his generation to win Monte-Carlo and Rome.

mitalidas
05-15-2005, 02:02 PM
okay, I think we have all made the point that makro's statements need a little qualification.... makro's statement is nice when referring only to Hamburg, and without the "generation" part

Makro, I'm excited for Roger too!

But.... in all fairness, his generation includes Ferrero who has at least as (and actually more) impressive vita on clay

Action Jackson
05-15-2005, 02:03 PM
Wilander was the first one of his generation to win RG at his first attempt.

oxy
05-15-2005, 02:06 PM
Guga is the first in his generation to win RG as a qualifier!!!

Action Jackson
05-15-2005, 02:07 PM
Guga is the first in his generation to win RG as a qualifier!!!

He wasn't a qualifier he was ranked in the 60s at the time.

Sjengster
05-15-2005, 02:07 PM
I think Nadal has a small shot at beating that.

:haha:

Anyway, Ferrero was 23 years and 2 months old when he defended Monte Carlo back in 2003, his third clay TMS; Federer's now 23 years and 9 months old and has just won the same event for the third time in four years. I can't believe there would be any dispute over who is, and always will be, the greater claycourt player.

Ferrero is some 18 months older than Federer but didn't he turn pro a little later, not until 1999? Just look at their best junior results and you can see they're of the same generation: Ferrero lost the 98 RG junior final to Gonzalez a few weeks before Federer won junior Wimbledon against Labadze, and then went on to lose the US Open final to Nalbandian.

RogiFan88
05-15-2005, 02:09 PM
Guga is the first in his generation to win RG as a qualifier!!!

wasn't he an unseeded player that year?

oxy
05-15-2005, 02:10 PM
He wasn't a qualifier he was ranked in the 60s at the time.

oh thanx for correcting me :)

Action Jackson
05-15-2005, 02:10 PM
wasn't he an unseeded player that year?

Not even Wimbledon would seed players ranked in the 60s at the time.

RogiFan88
05-15-2005, 02:12 PM
sampras is not in the same generation...

Skyward
05-15-2005, 02:17 PM
Makro , how many generations are between Federer and Nadal/Gasquet? :lol:

^Sue^
05-15-2005, 02:22 PM
YES, ROGER IS GREAT!!!

mitalidas
05-15-2005, 02:35 PM
Ferrero is some 18 months older than Federer but didn't he turn pro a little later, not until 1999? .
both turned pro in 98

makro120
05-15-2005, 03:36 PM
There is only 2 years between Ferrero and Federer, but I think the way Federer has come up the last 2 years and Ferrero has fallen, makes me feel there is a generation between them. Ferrero had his prime eyars while Federer still was a talent, 2003 is the only year both where on the top together.

Leo
05-15-2005, 05:50 PM
Ferrero is the same generation. It's not like there's a new generation of players every one and a half years or so.

We already know that Federer owns Hamburg. But it's not like winning Hamburg has increased his chances at Roland Garros in the past. 2005 to be any different?

mandoura
05-15-2005, 07:12 PM
ISn't Ferrero 2 years older? Isn't he part of Safin's generation?

I don't know really, but atleast Federer has at a younger age got as many tms titles as Ferrero. Now only RG is missing to truly be counted among the great clay court players.

Generation = 10 years not 2 ;) .

RG is pretty important I would say. :lol:

mandoura
05-15-2005, 07:17 PM
Wilander was the first one of his generation to win RG at his first attempt.

Crossing my fingers for Nadal to do just that.

lucashg
05-15-2005, 07:30 PM
Makro, it would have been much better if you had posted "Federer is the 1st player in his generation to win 7 AMS events", which is true.

And I agree: Federer, Ferrero, Safin, Hewitt, Roddick, Nalbandian, Coria, Gonzalez, Robredo are all part of the same generation. The next one is Nadal, Gasquet, Monfils, Baghdatis...

Obviously Ferrero has been more impressive on clay, no need to discuss that. Federer, has performed decently on clay, though: Three times Hamburg champion, Rome finalist, Monte-Carlo quarterfinalist twice and Roland Garros quarterfinalist.

makro120
05-15-2005, 08:45 PM
Yeah, ofcourse Ferrero has been much more impressive, but it seems Federer still has his best years ahead of him. Yes, I could have posted Federer is the 1st in his generation to win 7 tms, but he already was the 1st to win 6tms and 5 tms...

JCF
05-15-2005, 08:47 PM
Yeah, ofcourse Ferrero has been much more impressive, but it seems Federer still has his best years ahead of him. Yes, I could have posted Federer is the 1st in his generation to win 7 tms, but he already was the 1st to win 6tms and 5 tms...
So you instead chose to post incorrect facts :rolleyes:

We don't really need to listen to how great Federer is all the time, i think most real tennis fans already know.

Chloe le Bopper
05-15-2005, 08:51 PM
I think Nadal has a small shot at beating that.

He'll do it by this time next year :angel:

Chloe le Bopper
05-15-2005, 08:53 PM
How many people consider Federer and Ferrero to be of different generations of player??

for me, Safin, Ferrero, Federer, Hewitt, Roddick, etc all in the same gen

Roddick came later than the others listed here. However, seeing as a lot of these guys peaked around the same time (ferrero and andy in particular), then I guess it's okay to throw him in :p

Sjengster
05-15-2005, 08:55 PM
Federer wasn't the first man to win 5 TMS titles either, just to let you know makro.

makro120
05-15-2005, 09:06 PM
Generations are difficult to define. Safin, Ferrero and Hewitt dominated the game some years before Federer, Roddick and Coria reached the top, but probably some years are not enought to make it a generation between them. So if you don't like the name of the thread I could change it to:

Federer the 1st in his generation to be in clay tms finals 4 straight years or something like that. The point is that he has been consistent on clay in his whole career but has not really had the breakthrought like he had on hard court last year or on grass the year before. It just feels like the last step to take for him to become the complete tennis player I expect him to be and everything indicates he could take it this year.

Chloe le Bopper
05-15-2005, 09:08 PM
Safin is probably the first of his generation to win 600 Paris titles, but don't hold me to that. I have an aversion to atptennis.com and refuse to get the number straight.

;)

makro120
05-15-2005, 09:09 PM
Federer wasn't the first man to win 5 TMS titles either, just to let you know makro.

That was Safin, right?

Ok, so the 1st to win 6 tms titles.

Sjengster
05-15-2005, 09:18 PM
Safin is probably the first of his generation to win 600 Paris titles, but don't hold me to that. I have an aversion to atptennis.com and refuse to get the number straight.

;)

It's safe to say Federer and Safin have Hamburg and Paris respectively locked up between them. ;) Although Safin has done much better in Hamburg than Federer ever has in either Parisian event.

makro120
05-15-2005, 09:23 PM
Federer was never that good on hard court or indoor before 2004, he had not even won a TMS on hardcourt before that year or been to a semifinal in hardcourt grandslams. So Federer has never played on the big indoor tournaments since he overcame his weaknesses on hardcourt 2004 because he was injured.

Daniel
05-15-2005, 09:29 PM
Federer is the best :D :D

vincayou
05-15-2005, 09:52 PM
I think Nadal has a small shot at beating that.

It doesn't count, he's not in the same generation. :)

Ferrero Forever
05-16-2005, 08:56 AM
this has turned into a Ferrero gloating thread......and I love it......FERRERO ROCKS, VAMOS JUAN CARLOS FERRERO......feel free to continue!!!

mandoura
05-16-2005, 09:04 AM
It doesn't count, he's not in the same generation. :)

:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

nermo
05-16-2005, 09:39 AM
{How many people consider Federer and Ferrero to be of different generations of player??for me, Safin, Ferrero, Federer, Hewitt, Roddick, etc all in the same gen}posted by Auscon

They are the same generation of course , they almost began together , nearly same age..
i think Makro missed that may be cuz federer achievements and winning/losing results are and getting better in somehow short time..so he just imagined that they re different generations.. :scratch:

makro120
05-16-2005, 09:41 PM
Changed the title, happy now?

I could also choose:

a)Federer only player to have won one clay tms event 3 times among active players.

b)Federer 1st active player to defend a clay tms title.

c)Federer 1st player to be in clay tms titles 4 straight years.

Many reasons to gloat about him, you see....

Dirk
05-16-2005, 10:17 PM
Makro, Ferrero defended MC in 03. :o