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Why Is Andy Skipping Indianapolis this year?

binkygirl
05-11-2005, 02:33 PM
I just checked Andy's schedule on his official site and Indianapolis is not on the schedule. Does anyone know why he's skipping it or is it perhaps an error? He's got a title to defend. I wonder if Andy is feeling burned out, not so much physically but mentally. After he won the US Open, there were all these hopes placed on his shoulders (i.e. that he'd win more Slams) and none of them have come true so far. He's proven that he can win tournaments consistently, but can't win Slams in the same manner. I don't think he has the mental concentration to do it, because he is so easily frustrated these days.

Deboogle!.
05-11-2005, 03:20 PM
We talked about this months ago when his schedule was first posted. The explanation that makes sense to us is that he had expected to be in the DC Quarterfinals, which would have been the week before Indy. Obviously no DC now, but he's already committed to LA and Washington DC. He can't play Indy, LA, DC, Montreal, Cincy all in a row, that would be absolutely stupid on his part.

Carito_90
05-11-2005, 05:05 PM
Not that the points given to the winner of Indy are much anyway :shrug:

Deboogle!.
05-11-2005, 05:18 PM
They're more than LA, though.

Carito_90
05-11-2005, 05:27 PM
True. Oh well, he already committed so, I dont think there's anything he can do about it.

Black Adam
05-11-2005, 05:48 PM
:sad: I wanted a Three Peat in Indy!

tangerine_dream
05-11-2005, 06:09 PM
I'd rather he get a three-peat at Queen's. :banana:

Golfnduck
05-11-2005, 06:10 PM
Me too.

Deboogle!.
05-11-2005, 06:11 PM
I'd rather he get a three-peat at Queen's. :banana:me too!!

The thing that's too bad is that not only is Indy worth a few more points than LA is, the LA field is much much much stronger.

But, he MUST play LA. *thinks to the $375 ticket she purchased*

blosson
05-11-2005, 06:21 PM
three peat?

I will miss the Indy pets? [the puppies]

Black Adam
05-11-2005, 07:21 PM
I agreea 3 peat at Queens would be great!

MisterQ
05-11-2005, 11:10 PM
I agreea 3 peat at Queens would be great!

even better in Queens, NY!!! ;) :banana:

superpinkone37
05-12-2005, 12:49 AM
yeah he better play in LA..

Carito_90
05-12-2005, 01:00 AM
The puppies :bigcry: ...



Okay I'm over it. :p

Fumus
05-12-2005, 04:38 PM
Yea...um..Indy sucks. How come Andy didn't Monte Carlo? That's a bigger tourny.

Deboogle!.
05-12-2005, 04:42 PM
We went over that like 294820948209580298602 times, Ryan. lmfao!

Fumus
05-12-2005, 04:45 PM
294820948209580298602 ert...how about making that 294820948209580298603

He was injured?

Deboogle!.
05-12-2005, 04:48 PM
Shush... yeah if he would've played MC, it would've been right after he got out of his wrist splint, he would've lost 1st round, would've been a pointless trip.

Fumus
05-12-2005, 04:53 PM
yea yea, well I was making the point that that was a big tourny and friggin Indy is like nuthin'

Deboogle!.
05-12-2005, 04:56 PM
But that's not the point. It's not like he entered Indy and is skipping it, he never entered, and someone wanted to know why, since he was 2-time defending champ. so we explained it to her.

Fumus
05-12-2005, 04:59 PM
oohhh...alright. Andyways..:o

binkygirl
05-13-2005, 11:00 AM
We talked about this months ago when his schedule was first posted. The explanation that makes sense to us is that he had expected to be in the DC Quarterfinals, which would have been the week before Indy. Obviously no DC now, but he's already committed to LA and Washington DC. He can't play Indy, LA, DC, Montreal, Cincy all in a row, that would be absolutely stupid on his part.


I missed it. I have a life outside of MTF, so I can't be here 24 hours a day like you. Please stop jumping down my throat every time you misconstrue one of my comments.

binkygirl
05-13-2005, 11:02 AM
:sad: I wanted a Three Peat in Indy!

I think its cute how he pets the dogs and everything. You can tell he's a dog lover. Its too bad he can't own one.

Another site used to have video footage of him holding the puppy on his lap and petting the larger dog. It was sweet.

MissFairy
05-13-2005, 06:30 PM
I missed it. I have a life outside of MTF, so I can't be here 24 hours a day like you. Please stop jumping down my throat every time you misconstrue one of my comments.
No. There's no need for that sort of comment. I think you miscontrued what she was saying completely. She was merely pointing out that there had previously been a discussion on the theories behind his decision. There was nothing harsh, or hard-toned about what Deb was saying.

You choose to post in this Roddick forum, if you can't respect the other people who actually are put effort into keeping us forever in touch with everything that is happening (something i am very thankful for, thankyou Deb, Tangy et al :kiss: ), please feel free to go somewhere else.

And, meh.

binkygirl
05-14-2005, 03:00 AM
No. There's no need for that sort of comment. I think you miscontrued what she was saying completely. She was merely pointing out that there had previously been a discussion on the theories behind his decision. There was nothing harsh, or hard-toned about what Deb was saying.

You choose to post in this Roddick forum, if you can't respect the other people who actually are put effort into keeping us forever in touch with everything that is happening (something i am very thankful for, thankyou Deb, Tangy et al :kiss: ), please feel free to go somewhere else.

And, meh.

F-U, Miss Fairy.

Debstah, jumped down my throat in the James Blake thread, so you don't know what you're talking about. Leave me alone.

Fee
05-14-2005, 03:39 AM
wow, that was a bit harsh...

Havok
05-14-2005, 04:16 AM
Oh, ok.

MissFairy
05-14-2005, 10:28 AM
F-U, Miss Fairy.

Debstah, jumped down my throat in the James Blake thread, so you don't know what you're talking about. Leave me alone.
Oh dear. Again, there's no need for that. I never once said anything of that manner or even reminiscent of it. Please credit me with some intelligence and try and use some decorum, rather than just spitting out curses.

Like I don't visit the Blake thread ever. Please.

Deb's lovely. Shes doesn't resort to such crude phrasing, therefore she trumps you everytime. Period.

And, double meh.

binkygirl
05-14-2005, 12:52 PM
wow, that was a bit harsh...

She deserved it and I'm not sorry. She ought to mind her own business.

I hope she enjoys the nastygram I sent her via PM.

MissFairy
05-14-2005, 01:04 PM
Oh i just loved it. Thankyou dearly.

Way to use swear words again, seriously, you're waaaay cool :yawn:

Tytta!.
05-14-2005, 01:50 PM
Sarah, just ignore it ;)

:kiss:

MissFairy
05-14-2005, 02:07 PM
Renata, hunny thanks for the advice :hug: :kiss:

Love you Renata :hug:

I know i should, but ahem, some people are just too funnily ignorant to be :p

Tytta!.
05-14-2005, 02:09 PM
I heart you too :hug: :hug::hug:

MissFairy
05-14-2005, 02:13 PM
:kiss:

See the love? :p

Tytta!.
05-14-2005, 02:17 PM
Yea :lol:

Thanks for the rep :hug:

MissFairy
05-14-2005, 02:20 PM
Only for those who are deserving :smooch: Guess who i'm not talking about? :p

Dear Lord Carlos,
You know how kick-ass me and Renata are right?
So, i was wondering, in return for our unlimited kick-ass talents, could we catch a break from this thread?
Oh, and with a side of fries.
And milshake,
Okay, i'm pushing it, forget the milkshake each, we'll share, two straws please :)

Cheers, my Lord

Sarah Fairy xxx

fangirl
05-14-2005, 02:21 PM
HEY SARAH!

Tytta!.
05-14-2005, 02:23 PM
Dear Lord Carlos,
You know how kick-ass me and Renata are right?
So, i was wondering, in return for our unlimited kick-ass talents, could we catch a break from this thread?
Oh, and with a side of fries.
And milshake,
Okay, i'm pushing it, forget the milkshake each, we'll share, two straws please :)

Cheers, my Lord

Sarah Fairy xxx

:rocker2: :rocker2: :banana:

MissFairy
05-14-2005, 02:23 PM
Kellerer! :hug: :hug:

Dear Lord Carlos,
Make it three straws, thanks xxx

fangirl
05-14-2005, 02:26 PM
Kellerer! :hug: :hug:

Dear Lord Carlos,
Make it three straws, thanks xxx

:hug: :hug:

MissFairy
05-14-2005, 02:36 PM
I heart this thread now :)

Kell, Renata and Fairy save the day :D

Deboogle!.
05-14-2005, 02:37 PM
Thanks Sarah :hug: :)

MissFairy
05-14-2005, 02:41 PM
Thanks Sarah :hug: :)
:hug: :hug:

Congratulations on finishing your exams by the way :)

Deboogle!.
05-14-2005, 02:42 PM
Thanks :) :smooch:

blosson
05-14-2005, 02:58 PM
:lol:

shall we order a couple more milkymooshakes?


edit: or can i bring a straw too?

MissFairy
05-14-2005, 03:09 PM
Yeah extra milkymooshakes don't show the love enough, more straws :)

We'll just get Lord Carlos to being us an extra large Shake ;)

heya
05-14-2005, 03:12 PM
clay is for pots. this is called tennis? Everything is slow motion for the untalented and dust fly everywhere. If inventors of tennis knew its played on this DIRT they would go back in time and shoot themselves.

even roddick on clay i have to watch with fast forward button pressed to speed things up otherwise things just dont make sense.

someone with shoe nailed to the baseline and a court that doesnt reply to pace, good serve or power suddenly means a smart mans tennis?

if i had my way the dirt specialists would be taken out back and whipped twice a day until they went to the net.
:haha: This is funny stuff from GM. :rolls:
lets revolutionalize tennis. Send me ferrer, martin and Costa in a box and I will teach them to play tennis in a way that doesnt make past greats turn in their grave.

Deboogle!.
05-17-2005, 03:33 PM
Well it looks like there might be a chance for Andy to play. but oh my god if he drops LA, I will cry. This is from the Indy newspaper
------------------
MacGill said two-time RCA defending champion Andy Roddick may adjust his schedule so he can play in Indianapolis.

Roddick had not planned to play in the tourney this year due to expected Davis Cup responsibilities in July. But the United States was upset by Croatia in March.

MissFairy
05-17-2005, 03:42 PM
Deb, for your sake i really, really hope he sticks to his guns and plays L.A :hug:

I think honouring his commitment is important, although he's more likely to do better at Indy considering the much weaker field. :shrug: Damn you, Andy, please Deb. Who, may I ask, is more deserving of seeing you beat everyone and winning a pretty cup? :)

star
05-17-2005, 03:47 PM
Yeah. I'll miss the puppies too.

Deboogle!.
05-17-2005, 04:54 PM
aw thanks Sarah lol :hug: I mean I would've gone to the tourney if he wasn't playing, but now I'm extra looking forward to it :p Actually, indy is probably a better tourney anyway. The weather is more like that at the USO, it's worth more points than LA, and the field is MUCH weaker. but *whines* I wanna see him :p

blosson
05-17-2005, 06:00 PM
Personally, I rather see Andy playing the tournament with a stronger field even if it means less points. Winning smaller tournaments earlier this year did not help his confidence that much. Andy needs a big win.

... and we can see lovely pictures from Deb if he plays LA. :)

Deboogle!.
05-17-2005, 06:07 PM
Personally, I rather see Andy playing the tournament with a stronger field even if it means less points. Winning smaller tournaments earlier this year did not help his confidence that much. Andy needs a big win. well, that is a good point. in LA he could get a win over Lleyton or PimPim or Haas. None of them are playing Indy. Good counter-point :p... and we can see lovely pictures from Deb if he plays LA. :):haha: yes, Andy should definitely plan his schedule around my photography ;)

superpinkone37
05-17-2005, 11:52 PM
:haha: yes, Andy should definitely plan his schedule around my photography ;)

You mean he doesn't already? :eek: I mean, clearly he convinced PMac to have DC in LA even if it meant playing on a slower surface and losing ;)

Deboogle!.
05-18-2005, 06:25 PM
Well the tourney directors got their wish. 5 weeks in a row, I hope you know what you're doing Andy.
------------------------------
Roddick to defend RCA tennis title


By Mark Ambrogi
mark.ambrogi@indystar.com


Andy Roddick will return to Indianapolis to defend his RCA Championships title, tournament director Rob MacGill said today.

Roddick, the two-time defending RCA champion, had expected to participate in Davis Cup play for the U.S. team the weekend before the Indianapolis tennis tournament begins in July. But after the Americans were upset by Croatia in March, Roddick began considering adding Indianapolis to an already busy schedule.

Because of previous commitments, the 22-year-old Roddick will play five consecutive weeks, starting with Indianapolis. The local tournament begins July 18. He will then play in Los Angeles, Washington, Montreal and Cincinnati. He had previously committed to those tournaments.

“Our defending champion is making unprecedented effort to come defend his title this year,” MacGill said. “We intend to show him a warm welcome.”

MacGill said the support Roddick received from his Indianapolis fans the past two seasons was key to the decision.

partygirl
05-18-2005, 06:29 PM
well he say's he is in the best shape of his life.....lets hope his mind can keep up but there has been no real proof of that, at least not recently :sad:

MissFairy
05-18-2005, 06:31 PM
5 Weeks in a row? :eek: I hope he's thought this through. It's sweet that he wanted to come back and defend again, although it's not very smart to do all this before the USO, and the Masters, right?

Well L.A is still on, Deb (yay) ;) Photo galore, here we come ;)

Deboogle!.
05-18-2005, 06:33 PM
No it's not very smart. He didn't even do this in 2003. In 2003, he only did 4 tourneys before USO. I just hope he knows what he's doing.

MissFairy
05-18-2005, 06:34 PM
No it's not very smart. He didn't even do this in 2003. In 2003, he only did 4 tourneys before USO. I just hope he knows what he's doing.
Can i just...:sad:

:secret: I don't like 2005

surfpinky
05-18-2005, 06:40 PM
He's trying to keep everyone happy :smash: :ras: dumb andy

andyroxmysox12191
05-18-2005, 06:41 PM
*crosses fingers*

partygirl
05-18-2005, 06:48 PM
i dont want to jinx andy or anything but surfpinky is right he's trying to please everyone, when is he going to realize its okay to think about yourself and whats best for you- sometimes :p

Deboogle!.
05-18-2005, 06:50 PM
We'll see. If he could learn how to return serve and play more efficiently, he could win matches quickly and without expending that much energy :p Then he could play and win all 5 of the tourneys he'll play in the HC season ;)

Either that or he can show up at one of the smaller tourneys, fulfill a commitment, and tank in the QFs or something :p

superpinkone37
05-18-2005, 06:56 PM
who knows, he might end up pulling out of one at the last minute...but at least he is still playing in LA!

Deboogle!.
05-18-2005, 06:57 PM
Well if he's gonna pull out of one last-minute, it'll be LA. He won't pull out of DC b/c it's a much bigger tourney and also run by SFX.

I doubt he'll pull out of US Hardcourt tourneys at the last minute. He might lose early in one of them though.

surfpinky
05-18-2005, 06:58 PM
We'll see. If he could learn how to return serve and play more efficiently, he could win matches quickly and without expending that much energy :p Then he could play and win all 5 of the tourneys he'll play in the HC season ;)

Either that or he can show up at one of the smaller tourneys, fulfill a commitment, and tank in the QFs or something :p
:yeah:
People wouldn't be happy about the last one though.. :p

surfpinky
05-18-2005, 07:00 PM
Well if he's gonna pull out of one last-minute, it'll be LA. He won't pull out of DC b/c it's a much bigger tourney and also run by SFX.

I doubt he'll pull out of US Hardcourt tourneys at the last minute. He might lose early in one of them though.
He gets penalized if he pulls out of LA right? Or is that only in bigger tournaments? :confused:
Losing early ---> LA :o

Deboogle!.
05-18-2005, 07:00 PM
No, but it's a no-win situation. Either he plays 5 weeks in a row before the USO and goes deep in all of them, which he should do, and then only has a week off before USO and is tired and has played too much. Or he pulls out of one at the last minute and pisses people off. Or he loses early semi-intentionally and gets bad rap for that. All of them are undesirable for various reasons.

For smaller tourneys, you don't get penalized unless you pull out after the deadline (Which for these smaller ones is Friday noon Eastern before the tourney). But he wouldn't get his (assumed to be LARGE) appearance fee, and he'd really upset tourney directors who were using his name to sell tickets. Not to mention fans who bought tickets to see him.

Yes, LA would be the one he would either withdraw from or lose early in, I'd guess. Of the three, it is the only one he hasn't won, the smallest one (in terms of points and money), and has the strongest draw BY FAR.

Fee
05-18-2005, 07:03 PM
Andy should pull out of LA, but only if he promises to come to So Cal anyway, and take me and Deb out for drinks (I, of course, will drive). We can go somewhere nice and quiet on the beach. Talk about tennis. :angel:

tangerine_dream
05-18-2005, 07:05 PM
Fee, I :hearts: your Tommy pic.

Tytta!.
05-18-2005, 07:22 PM
Andy :retard:

As Deb said I hope he knows what he's donig :awww:

surfpinky
05-18-2005, 07:24 PM
I don't think Andy himself knows what he's doing :retard:

Tytta!.
05-18-2005, 07:36 PM
:secret: We can hope :unsure:

MissFairy
05-18-2005, 07:37 PM
Renata, with Andy, it's less hoping, more wishful thinking ;)

5 weeks in a row is absurd scheduling for anyone :o

Faik Kheft
05-18-2005, 07:38 PM
Yes, LA would be the one he would either withdraw from or lose early in, I'd guess. Of the three, it is the only one he hasn't won, the smallest one (in terms of points and money), and has the strongest draw BY FAR.
Slightly off topic, but why has the tournament with least points and money attracted the strongest draw?

Tytta!.
05-18-2005, 07:44 PM
Yea, Sarah :o I think I'll pray to Carlos :o

MissFairy
05-18-2005, 07:47 PM
Good idea, maybe divine intervention will help him not run his legs off :sad:

Fee
05-18-2005, 07:51 PM
Fee, I :hearts: your Tommy pic.

There are 4 more ones in the Tommy forum. I think you'll like those better. :D
(excuse the off topic communique...)

Fee
05-18-2005, 07:54 PM
Slightly off topic, but why has the tournament with least points and money attracted the strongest draw?

Because its in LA and some of the players just like to have an excuse to go there in the summer, they have decent appearance fees for at least half the draw, a few players go to the Playboy (skank) Mansion each year, some decent parties, good gift bag, etc, etc, etc....

heya
05-18-2005, 09:02 PM
Since he has no clue that he's talented enough to be the best, why
would the schedule hurt him and us anymore?
He pretty much gave up on fighting to win events
since the '03 Madrid event. Did anyone tell him to shut his mouth & hit
clean winners instead of messing
around like an amateur that nobody cares about?
It's unacceptable that HE GAVE UP 'cuz he believed he's ugly & only hits hard.
What's wrong with American people????
No one told him that he's great enough to REACH HIS BIG POTENTIAL!!
He decided to lose every event & to treat tennis like it's a car crash.

When he had a lot of rest last summer, he was only interested in gaining weight & spending time with friends. He played nothing but the Olympics, if you can call that "playing." Did anyone tell him to find another great coach as well as practice partners...?
It's not smart to relax just because you're 21 and #1.

superpinkone37
05-19-2005, 12:51 AM
Andy should pull out of LA, but only if he promises to come to So Cal anyway, and take me and Deb out for drinks (I, of course, will drive). We can go somewhere nice and quiet on the beach. Talk about tennis. :angel:

Only if you guys come by Riverside, not too far away, and pick me up ;)

guida
05-19-2005, 01:47 AM
Since he has no clue that he's talented enough to be the best, why
would the schedule hurt him and us anymore?
He pretty much gave up on fighting to win events
since the '03 Madrid event. Did anyone tell him to shut his mouth & hit
clean winners instead of messing
around like an amateur that nobody cares about?
It's unacceptable that HE GAVE UP 'cuz he believed he's ugly & only hits hard.
What's wrong with American people????
No one told him that he's great enough to REACH HIS BIG POTENTIAL!!
He decided to lose every event & to treat tennis like it's a car crash.

When he had a lot of rest last summer, he was only interested in gaining weight & spending time with friends. He played nothing but the Olympics, if you can call that "playing." Did anyone tell him to find another great coach as well as practice partners...?
It's not smart to relax just because you're 21 and #1.

I actually believe that kind of harsh speech would be ideal to get Andy back on track. If only Goldfine had that in him...

heya
05-19-2005, 02:08 AM
I wish he can hear more of that!
Lance Armstrong couldn't accept failure.
Basketball players always improve for their teams.
Andy takes the back seat while Hewitt & Federer drive. :ras: :bolt:

Fee
05-19-2005, 02:10 AM
Only if you guys come by Riverside, not too far away, and pick me up ;)

Not too far away? Okay, that's a 50 - 60 minute drive on a good day, but the 60 from LA is backed up about 20 hours a day, so you have to get on a Metrolink train and we'll meet you downtown. That's the best I can do. :p

Deboogle!.
05-19-2005, 05:02 AM
Because its in LA and some of the players just like to have an excuse to go there in the summer, they have decent appearance fees for at least half the draw, a few players go to the Playboy (skank) Mansion each year, some decent parties, good gift bag, etc, etc, etc....Yea... I'd guess the appearance fees and the fact that it's sponsored by Mercedes are especially important. DC is the one with the most points and the most prize money but typically has the weakest draw of the three. Well it's similar to Indy I guess.

smucav
05-19-2005, 06:00 AM
Yea... I'd guess the appearance fees and the fact that it's sponsored by Mercedes are especially important. DC is the one with the most points and the most prize money but typically has the weakest draw of the three. Well it's similar to Indy I guess.DC always has a great field (except in 2004 when it was at the same time as the Olympics).

Deboogle!.
05-19-2005, 06:03 AM
It's not as good as LA, IMO. Especially considering the disparity in points.

smucav
05-19-2005, 06:17 AM
It's not as good as LA, IMO. Especially considering the disparity in points.We'll see when the lists come out, but DC typically has 5 or more top 25 players & a tougher cut-off (with a bigger draw than LA). Plus the ATP gave it back the prime spot right before Canada & Cincinnati this year in exchange for taking the bad week last year.

Deboogle!.
05-19-2005, 06:21 AM
well I am only speaking about years' past. Obviously there is no way to know what will happen this year. But of those who have already been announced, LA is stronger at this point than DC is. But LA has announced more players. But, it doesn't much matter anyway. It's just interesting.


Hey I noticed TTC carries Indy.... :yippee:

Fee
05-19-2005, 06:26 AM
Well, last year DC was right before the Olympics, so LA was a little bit stronger. The year before that, LA and DC were at the same time, so it was almost even but I think LA was a tiny bit stronger. The year before that (2002) the fields were almost identical because so many of the guys at LA got on a plane and flew to DC next (or was it the other way around, can't remember). Have no clue what 2001 was like. I suspect they will be almost even this year, with a lot of the same players. And DC is a simple 32 player draw if I remember correctly, as is LA. Indy is the one that's bigger.

Deboogle!.
05-19-2005, 06:27 AM
Ok... we don't have to agree on this...it's not an absolute thing, it's subjective. would you like a prize for attending the tourney so often? ;)

Yea, Fee, that's about right - except that DC is worth a lot more points lol And because it's closer to the USO and the conditions are more like what they are in NYC, I'd think it'd attract a much stronger field than LA, not just perhaps arguably marginally stronger.


Wait, DC is worth only 40 points. Wasn't it worth more at one time? Or is the jetlag affecting me more than I want it to be?

I take it all back. pull out of DC, Andy :p

Edit: AHA I AM NOT CRAZY!!!! It was worth 50 points before - through 2002. Too bad they changed it.

smucav
05-19-2005, 06:33 AM
And DC is a simple 32 player draw if I remember correctly, as is LA.DC is a 48 draw (it was temporarily reduced to 32 in 2004 only when it was at the same time as the Olympics)/some years in the past it has been a 56 draw; LA is 32.

would you like a prize for attending the tourney so often? ;)
I already have a prize: free series tickets for the whole week every year (which wasn't a prize in 2004 when Agassi & Hewitt were the only marquee players in the draw; they couldn't give them away even for the final).

Fee
05-19-2005, 06:48 AM
Well, that was a trip down memory lane...
So, looking a the 2003 draws for all 3 tournaments, they were relatively equal. DC got andre and andy that year, LA got Hewitt and Kuerten (and an injured Safin). Meh, we'll see what happens this year.

Geez, the only way I get to see tennis for a whole week is to drive 8 - 12 hour shifts. Lucky you.

binkygirl
05-20-2005, 08:17 AM
I actually believe that kind of harsh speech would be ideal to get Andy back on track. If only Goldfine had that in him...

Agreed guida and heya. Andy has reached that unfortunate point where he doesn't want to listen to anyone's advice. Time, I hope, will make him wiser, like it did for Andre, but he's in for some harsh lessons. He has to learn humility and patience.