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Houston field vs Barcelona field

ys
04-22-2005, 04:02 PM
You would think that Barcelona is supposed to be head and shoulders better..
But looking at list of quarterfinalists, I would not say so..

Roddick Gaudio
Agassi Ferrero
Haas Nadal
Grosjean Calleri
Blake Davydenko
Lapentti Mirnyi
Melzer Stepanek
Horna Wawrinka

Houston has Agassi and 5 "new balls". 5 players who reached at least semis or better at Slams.

Barcelona has only 2 players who reached semis or better at Slams.

federer express
04-22-2005, 04:07 PM
You would think that Barcelona is supposed to be head and shoulders better..
But looking at list of quarterfinalists, I would not say so..

Roddick Gaudio
Agassi Ferrero
Haas Nadal
Grosjean Calleri
Blake Davydenko
Lapentti Mirnyi
Melzer Stepanek
Horna Wawrinka

Houston has Agassi and 5 "new balls". 5 players who reached at least semis or better at Slams

Barcelona has only 2 players who reached semis or better at Slams.

barcelona still stronger!

mangoes
04-22-2005, 04:10 PM
Barcelona is stronger.

Action Jackson
04-22-2005, 04:12 PM
Wouldn't looking at the respective ranking cutoffs be a stronger indicator as to strength and for Barcelona it would have to be taken at place 23 for a favourable comparison.

Houston at the last direct entry was # 105 Kristof Vliegen
Barcelona with a larger field had the last direct entry # 74 Jan Hernych and he was 43rd on the list.

Oh no! ys was the starter of this thread and I got tricked into answering this seriously. Shame on me.

TheBoiledEgg
04-22-2005, 04:13 PM
Barcelona still.
non of the Houston players has a hope in hell of winning RG.

oxy
04-22-2005, 04:14 PM
barcelona still stronger becos of the upsets and quality if clay courters...reason why houston u have the top runners in quarters is becos the field isn't that strong

Rogiman
04-22-2005, 04:19 PM
Remember players like Coria and Canas have already lost before the QF's.

And like GWH said, no need to reply seriously to any of that fucker's threads.

ys
04-22-2005, 04:21 PM
I dunno.. If it is about watching tennis, I prefer Houston. All guys there are explosive shotmakers. They might be not the better clay players, but on this level it does not really matter. I mean, who in Barcelona has a serve of Roddick, has forehand as explosive as Grosjean, backhand as Haas, who takes ball as early as Agassi?

TheMightyFed
04-22-2005, 04:23 PM
I dunno.. If it is about watching tennis, I prefer Houston. All guys there are explosive shotmakers. They might be not the better clay players, but on this level it does not really matter. I mean, who in Barcelona has a serve of Roddick, has forehand as explosive as Grosjean, backhand as Haas, who takes ball as early as Agassi?
Who's as bald as Agassi above all ... ;)

ys
04-22-2005, 04:23 PM
Remember players like Coria and Canas have already lost before the QF's.

And like GWH said, no need to reply seriously to any of that fucker's threads.

A personal insult will get you suspended right away. Is it what you want?

ys
04-22-2005, 04:24 PM
Who's as bald as Agassi above all ... ;)

Blake.. :) Wait, he is also in Houston.. :)

Rogiman
04-22-2005, 04:27 PM
A personal insult will get you suspended right away. Is it what you want?

I believe saying that the Argentines play the clay-court events because they're poor and need the money is better...? :rolleyes:

rue
04-22-2005, 04:28 PM
Barcelona is so much stronger. No one is Houston really has a good chance of getting too far in Paris. The field in Houston is just too weak.

ys
04-22-2005, 04:30 PM
I believe saying that the Argentines play the clay-court events because they're poor and need the money is better...? :rolleyes:

What's wrong about it? Besides I said that not specifically about Argentininians, but also about Spaniards and my countrymen too.. But it is twice true about Argies and Spaniards because most of them will have a jack of a chance to get any far in draws on other surfaces come summer, so they have to make their buck now..

Nacho
04-22-2005, 04:36 PM
Barcelona has:

Gaudio: FO champion
Ferrero: FO champion
Moya: FO champion
Costa: FO champion
Coria: FO runner up
Safin: FO semifinalist
(plus Nadal)

Houston has:
Agassi: FO champion...
Grosjean: FO semifinalist

enuff said ;)

Deboogle!.
04-22-2005, 05:43 PM
Last I checked, Barcelona was worth way more money and almost twice the points. The field should be much stronger!

SanTaureau Fan
04-22-2005, 06:12 PM
BARceLONA = MiCKEY mOUSE eVENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111!!!!

Saumon
04-22-2005, 06:13 PM
Barcelona has Rafael :lick: and Radek :drool: in the semis :devil: :aplot:

ys
04-22-2005, 06:28 PM
Last I checked, Barcelona was worth way more money and almost twice the points. The field should be much stronger!

Unless you take into account apperance fees.. ;)

Anyway, look at the quarter's lineup and think about it.. If you are running a TV channel in USA/UK/Australia/France/Germany - like anywhere except for Spain + South America ( who have very little money anyway ), which tournament would you rather cover?

Deboogle!.
04-22-2005, 06:32 PM
Unless you take into account apperance fees.. ;)
I'm sure the top players in Barcelona were given some appearance fees, also. But still, it is worth nearly double the points - there would be something wrong if Houston's field were stronger. And anyway, there have been weaker IS tourneys than Houston this year (Delray and Casablanca come to mind off the top of my head)

alfonsojose
04-22-2005, 07:07 PM
Barcelona is still strong but it's clear Houston hasn't been Disneyland. Nice QFs and Lapenti having a good week :)

Saumon
04-22-2005, 08:37 PM
at least they didnt play barcelona's qualies on ugly green clay :devil:

maratski
04-22-2005, 08:45 PM
I dunno.. If it is about watching tennis, I prefer Houston. All guys there are explosive shotmakers. They might be not the better clay players, but on this level it does not really matter. I mean, who in Barcelona has a serve of Roddick, has forehand as explosive as Grosjean, backhand as Haas, who takes ball as early as Agassi?

I thought you had better taste in tennis than that my friend...

maratski
04-22-2005, 08:46 PM
Unless you take into account apperance fees.. ;)

Anyway, look at the quarter's lineup and think about it.. If you are running a TV channel in USA/UK/Australia/France/Germany - like anywhere except for Spain + South America ( who have very little money anyway ), which tournament would you rather cover?

European clay is the shit! Enough said ;)

Federerhingis
04-22-2005, 08:54 PM
Barcelona has a field full of players who Played a Week at the Masters Series in
Monte Carlo

Houston is full of those who couldn't be bothered to play

Yup and if the players who played in Barcelona played those who are playing in Houston I am sure 79% of them would beat the latter on the same surface of course.

Leo
04-23-2005, 01:19 AM
I dunno.. If it is about watching tennis, I prefer Houston. All guys there are explosive shotmakers. They might be not the better clay players, but on this level it does not really matter. I mean, who in Barcelona has a serve of Roddick, has forehand as explosive as Grosjean, backhand as Haas, who takes ball as early as Agassi?

Big servers/more aggressive players/non-clay courters have done well this week in Barcelona (look at Mirnyi, Johansson, Stepanek, etc.), Ferrero and Nadal have more explosive forehands, Calleri has a sexy one-handed backhand that's more of a weapon than Haas' when he's on, Coria can take the ball just as early as Agassi while not being completely helpless on clay...

Vamos Barcelona!

erik-the-red
04-23-2005, 01:25 AM
In terms of career high rankings and major title success, then yes, I agree - the Houston Quarterfinalists are stronger than their Barcelona counterparts.

But, Barcelona is a clay-court title featuring LOADS of clay-court specialists. That's it.

ugotlobbed
04-23-2005, 01:50 AM
just the fact that nadal is there makes it that much stronger.....

NYCtennisfan
04-23-2005, 03:00 AM
Obivously Barcelona is stronger but I am surprised at the relative strength of the HOuston tourny. In any case, another month or so and the clay court season goes away. Hurrah!