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Coria :The court was too slow

World Beater
04-19-2005, 10:40 AM
I think the conditions didn't help me, because it rained, the court became really slow, the balls heavy and it was impossible for me to win a point against him because he is so fast," Coria said. "I came really close to turning the situation around, when I came back from 1-4 in the fourth set, but unfortunately it didn't work."

Really?

I was one to think, the slower the better for guillermo. Coria is also one of the fastest on tour, so I am wondering why the slow clay would supposedly give an advantage to Rafa.

Coria is the master counterpuncher on clay, so what is he talking about? It also seems strange to me that Nadal would be more defensive than Coria on clay.

Action Jackson
04-19-2005, 10:47 AM
He is making excuses for his defeat and he wanted to go off at 5-3 down in the 1st set and Layhani put him in his place.

syd
04-19-2005, 10:52 AM
It rained, so other conditions !!
but i don't know if his defeat is due to it!

Bibir
04-19-2005, 11:00 AM
Hey George , we have another "Mr Excuse" here!

sigmagirl91
04-19-2005, 11:01 AM
Whatever :rolleyes:

Action Jackson
04-19-2005, 11:05 AM
Hey George , we have another "Mr Excuse" here!

At least Marat has humor to his excuses. :)

Bibir
04-19-2005, 11:17 AM
At least Marat has humor to his excuses. :)
That's a smiley, George!!!

foul_dwimmerlaik
04-19-2005, 11:35 AM
Nadal is the master counter-puncher also, only with more power, so it's kind of useless to counter-punch against him. I didn't see the match, but I gathered from the scoreboard and some clips that Guillermo had to be the more offencive one in it - and didn't succeed. Plus, the balls were heavier, which is also a benefit to a harder hitter, i.e. Nadal.

Nadal won fair and square, but what guillermo said are not necessarily excuses.

Action Jackson
04-19-2005, 11:40 AM
I saw the match and the weasel was already trying to sneak his way off the court when it wasn't going well for him, if it was going well then he would have bought it up?

Considering if it's heavier it would be harder for Nadal to hit through him and Coria should be able to run more balls down and Nadal was smart in how he played the match and it's just excuses by Coria.

Horatio Caine
04-19-2005, 11:47 AM
Since when has a court ever been too slow for Cry-baby's liking? Why doesn't he shut and get on with his job - he was beaten by a better player and he knows it.

World Beater
04-19-2005, 11:52 AM
Since when has a court ever been too slow for Cry-baby's liking? Why doesn't he shut and get on with his job - he was beaten by a better player and he knows it.

lol, the funny thing is that he admitted that Nadal is the best on the surface the day before.

Kristen
04-19-2005, 11:55 AM
:hug: Coria...
Got an issue?
Get a tissue... :awww:

Choupi
04-19-2005, 11:56 AM
Excuses, excuses! :rolleyes: And what about this one? He lost the 1st set only because that mean umpire refused to stop the game when it was raining...pfffff! :o

SuperFurryAnimal
04-19-2005, 11:59 AM
He is making excuses for his defeat and he wanted to go off at 5-3 down in the 1st set and Layhani put him in his place.

Well done Mo! :woohoo:
Completely agree with your answer, GWH. Coria is probably not such a good loser and makes stuff like this up as an excuse...

syd
04-19-2005, 12:00 PM
Anyway, we'll see in their next confrontations !

foul_dwimmerlaik
04-19-2005, 12:01 PM
All right, as I said, I didn't see the match, so you're probably right. Still, I think sometimes we use different definition of "excuses". *sigh* I was just tryin to prevent yet another coria thread from evolving into a bashfest - unsuccessfully, it seems.

World Beater
04-19-2005, 12:04 PM
All right, as I said, I didn't see the match, so you're probably right. Still, I think sometimes we use different definition of "excuses". *sigh* I was just tryin to prevent yet another coria thread from evolving into a bashfest - unsuccessfully, it seems.

i didnt intend it to become a coria bashfest. I was a little bit confused by what he said, and wanted to get some thoughts, thats all.

pixiedreamer
04-19-2005, 12:08 PM
Court too slow? no way...Coria got it right the first time..Nadal is the best player in the world on clay at the moment :worship:

Louloute
04-19-2005, 12:13 PM
lol, the funny thing is that he admitted that Nadal is the best on the surface the day before.
Actually, he said it after the finals too:
"Q. For a first tournament on clay, you are happy overall?
GUILLERMO CORIA: Yes, because I lost against the best player on clay, on this surface. I thought that if the match was going to go long enough, he might get tired, but he was able to run very well.
(...)
I believe today I lost again to one of the favorites for the French Open, so this gives me confidence.
(...)
He was playing well in all parts of the game and I didn't know where to play.
(...)
But, anyway, I lost the finals of a Masters Series against a very good player.
(...)
He played very well, and I was surprised how much he was able to run. He was very good physically."

Isn't that enough? :confused: He keeps telling he has been beaten by a better player.

foul_dwimmerlaik
04-19-2005, 12:15 PM
i didnt intend it to become a coria bashfest. I was a little bit confused by what he said, and wanted to get some thoughts, thats all.I know, don't worry. :) I was answering to George, actually, but was too lazy to quote.

Action Jackson
04-19-2005, 12:17 PM
I know, don't worry. :) I was answering to George, actually, but was too lazy to quote.

I am not trying to bash the guy, it was an excuse and backed up my reasoning as to why it was an excuse. If he wins, then he says nothing about the court conditions. The rain there was minimal to make that much difference to court conditions.

foul_dwimmerlaik
04-19-2005, 12:18 PM
Isn't that enough? :confused: He keeps telling he has been beaten by a better player.No, with Coria it's never enough. You'll learn.

foul_dwimmerlaik
04-19-2005, 12:27 PM
I am not trying to bash the guy, it was an excuse and backed up my reasoning as to why it was an excuse. If he wins, then he says nothing about the court conditions. The rain there was minimal to make that much difference to court conditions.Probably, but as Louloute pointed earlier, Guillermo did ascknowledge that he lost to a better player on the day. And wiht all respect, he was out on the court, not you, not I, so he'd know better. I like Coria and I know that he's not the pinnacle of sportsmanship sometimes, but to automatically dismiss all his reasoning as "excuses" is wrong. Though he'd probably lost on that day even if the conditions were ideal for him.

syd
04-19-2005, 12:32 PM
anyway, we know it rained that day so what he said is certainly true,
he knows nadal was better but just the conditions didn't helped him.

fabolous
04-19-2005, 12:42 PM
obviously coria didn't feel comfortable on court and with the conditions. but i don't think he uses that as an excuse for his defeat. or did he ever say sth like "if there was no rain i would have won the match"? no he didn't. he admitted that nadal is the best player at the moment and he accepted his defeat. so what is the problem here? i don't see one....

Nymeria
04-19-2005, 12:43 PM
I only got one thing to say about this: stupid excuse!
It might have been the reason, I don't know, but I hate it when players have an excuse like this for losing a match :rolleyes:

Action Jackson
04-19-2005, 12:44 PM
Probably, but as Louloute pointed earlier, Guillermo did ascknowledge that he lost to a better player on the day. And wiht all respect, he was out on the court, not you, not I, so he'd know better.


All he needed to say was that he lost to the better player on the day and that would be fine and as the court is too slow considering Hamburg is consistently the slowest of the TMS events and he has done very well there, it wasn't an issue then.

Conditions were the same for both players, he was beaten by a better one on the day.

TheMightyFed
04-19-2005, 12:51 PM
I know that he's not the pinnacle of sportsmanship
The art of euphemism by foul_dwimmerlaik :drool:

syd
04-19-2005, 12:57 PM
Originally Posted by Chiudi-fan
I only got one thing to say about this: stupid excuse!
It might have been the reason, I don't know, but I hate it when players have an excuse like this for losing a match so you must hate all the players,
all the players has at least once given an excuse for their loss !
and Coria's comment was may be an excuse but it was the reality,it rained & it changed the conditions

fabolous
04-19-2005, 12:57 PM
All he needed to say was that he lost to the better player on the day and that would be fine
he said this more than once, george.

Action Jackson
04-19-2005, 12:59 PM
he said this more than once, george.

Then why mention the court conditions when there was no really need to as it does take away from Nadal's win, whether the intention was there or not.

star
04-19-2005, 01:00 PM
I think the conditions didn't help me, because it rained, the court became really slow, the balls heavy and it was impossible for me to win a point against him because he is so fast," Coria said. "I came really close to turning the situation around, when I came back from 1-4 in the fourth set, but unfortunately it didn't work."

Really?

I was one to think, the slower the better for guillermo. Coria is also one of the fastest on tour, so I am wondering why the slow clay would supposedly give an advantage to Rafa.

Coria is the master counterpuncher on clay, so what is he talking about? It also seems strange to me that Nadal would be more defensive than Coria on clay.

You should read the entire interview. :)

foul_dwimmerlaik
04-19-2005, 01:05 PM
The art of euphemism by foul_dwimmerlaik :drool:Glad to be of service.

fabolous
04-19-2005, 01:07 PM
Then why mention the court conditions when there was no really need to as it does take away from Nadal's win, whether the intention was there or not.
ok that's right. but they asked him how it felt playing for him so he couldn't say "it felt wonderful today" because that wouldn't be true. i'm very sure, there was no intention to take away from nadal's win but you're right, you can interprete this statement like that.

Adman
04-19-2005, 01:12 PM
I think he just making excuses considering he got beat by a teenager of 18.

Action Jackson
04-19-2005, 01:14 PM
ok that's right. but they asked him how it felt playing for him so he couldn't say "it felt wonderful today" because that wouldn't be true. i'm very sure, there was no intention to take away from nadal's win but you're right, you can interprete this statement like that.

As fine a player as he is, he is not in the league of Edberg or Rafter for sportsmanship, but that's not really the issue. There are ways to answer it and not make the opponent look bad in the process, but as I said the court conditions were the same for both players as Mo said when he wanted to stall for a rain delay, it was the same afterwards.

That's the thing it could be easily interpreted as it was more the court surface beat me and not the opponent, whether the intention was there or not.

It's still an excuse, but that's only from my perspective.

foul_dwimmerlaik
04-19-2005, 01:14 PM
Then why mention the court conditions when there was no really need to as it does take away from Nadal's win, whether the intention was there or not.Because he was asked a quiestion about his overall play in that match and he was trying to explain how he felt on the court, what helped him, what hindered him. The conditions were the same for Nadal, of course, but he wasn't asked abt. Nadal. He was trying to explain *himself* Later he said several times that Rafa was the better player on the day.

switz
04-19-2005, 01:17 PM
i try hard not to dislike players but i really just can't find any reason to like coria. his performance during the first set of that match with the rain was disgraceful and you could tell he just kept doing it because he realised it was getting to nadal. it wasn't even raining and he was whining after every single point.

another thing i will say is that it was a pretty ordinary match as rafael played pretty average throughout in my opinion and the coria of last year probably would have won it pretty easily. he reminds me of hewitt when he struggled and was trying to play at a level he wasn't capable of at the time.

joeb_uk
04-19-2005, 01:21 PM
Just excuses because he is upset for losing to a bopper! he was whining so much to be taken off court in the first set, it was getting really annoying.

fabolous
04-19-2005, 01:24 PM
As fine a player as he is, he is not in the league of Edberg or Rafter for sportsmanship, but that's not really the issue.
he is definitely not mr. sportsmanship and we all know that ;)

There are ways to answer it and not make the opponent look bad in the process, but as I said the court conditions were the same for both players as Mo said when he wanted to stall for a rain delay, it was the same afterwards.
i know that, you know that, he knows that.

That's the thing it could be easily interpreted as it was more the court surface beat me and not the opponent, whether the intention was there or not.
true.

It's still an excuse, but that's only from my perspective.
and from my perspective it isn't. he accepted that nadal is the better player at the moment. he just mentioned that the court conditions didn't help him today and that is also true. he never said that he lost just because of the conditions.

Action Jackson
04-19-2005, 01:25 PM
Because he was asked a quiestion about his overall play in that match and he was trying to explain how he felt on the court, what helped him, what hindered him. The conditions were the same for Nadal, of course, but he wasn't asked abt. Nadal. He was trying to explain *himself* Later he said several times that Rafa was the better player on the day.

Even then he could have answered it in a way not to discredit Nadal and it was used an excuse.

Fumus
04-19-2005, 01:32 PM
Hmmm...maybe all those hard court events have spoiled Coria....maybe he would have liked to play under a roof and on carpet. I am sure he would like Nadal's game better there...lol...

Nymeria
04-19-2005, 02:13 PM
so you must hate all the players,
all the players has at least once given an excuse for their loss !
and Coria's comment was may be an excuse but it was the reality,it rained & it changed the conditions

I didn't say I hate the players ;) I hate the excuse (read my sig, guille is in it :p)

Skyward
04-19-2005, 02:33 PM
Don't you know that Coria is a grass court specialist :D . After all he reached a final in Hertogenbosch last year.

Armada~121
04-19-2005, 02:46 PM
As fine a player as he is, he is not in the league of Edberg or Rafter for sportsmanship, but that's not really the issue. There are ways to answer it and not make the opponent look bad in the process, but as I said the court conditions were the same for both players as Mo said when he wanted to stall for a rain delay, it was the same afterwards.

That's the thing it could be easily interpreted as it was more the court surface beat me and not the opponent, whether the intention was there or not.

It's still an excuse, but that's only from my perspective.

I agree that it is an excuse. I don't hate Coria ane enjoy his tennis sometimes. But he is a whiny and I think nobody questions about that ;)

I know that Coria kept saying that Rafa was the better player on that day. But I just got the feelings that by the way he put it and his comments on the court condition gives away the logic that = "if it hadn't rained, I would probably have been the better player" or "because it rained, Nadal was therefore the better player because the condition favored him". Of course he didnt say that directly (if anyone did that in the international press room, they would be one hell of tactless idiots). But if u read closely... his answers seem to imply that. And that's why to me it sounds more like an excuse than anything.

RogiFan88
04-19-2005, 02:47 PM
Don't you know that Coria a grass court specialist :D . After all he reached a final in Hertogenbosch last year.

hmm... true and he will have to defend those pts...

Nymeria
04-19-2005, 02:48 PM
Don't you know that Coria a grass court specialist :D . After all he reached a final in Hertogenbosch last year.

:rolls:

And I guess he did love the rain here in Holland, he even comes back this year! :p

Action Jackson
04-19-2005, 02:53 PM
I know that Coria kept saying that Rafa was the better player on that day. But I just got the feelings that by the way he put it and his comments on the court condition gives away the logic that = "if it hadn't rained, I would probably have been the better player" or "because it rained, Nadal was therefore the better player because the condition favored him". Of course he didnt say that directly (if anyone did that in the international press room, they would be one hell of tactless idiots). But if u read closely... his answers seem to imply that. And that's why to me it sounds more like an excuse than anything.

That's the thing I just looked at the comments as comments only. As a player I appreciate his game, especially on clay, but that's where it stops.

People see things differently and I agree it was used as an excuse to justify the loss and there is a lot of doublespeak there.

Experimentee
04-19-2005, 03:33 PM
The conditions are the same for both players and if it didnt help him it wouldnt have helped Nadal either.

Carito_90
04-19-2005, 03:41 PM
"I think": Usually used to express an opinion.

OPINION. Have you heard about that word? Doesn't seem like it.

I don't think he said it randomly, he was probably asked about the court or the rain.
But hey, he's Coria, this is GM... yeah I should know by now :)

Carito_90
04-19-2005, 03:44 PM
The conditions are the same for both players and if it didnt help him it wouldnt have helped Nadal either.

Depends on the player. If they like faster or slower courts.
It wouldn't have been the same if this situation had happened while Roddick and Coria were playing, for sure.

foul_dwimmerlaik
04-19-2005, 06:11 PM
I know that Coria kept saying that Rafa was the better player on that day. But I just got the feelings...Yeah. That sums up the attitude pretty nicely.

Chloe le Bopper
04-19-2005, 07:01 PM
I think the conditions didn't help me, because it rained, the court became really slow, the balls heavy and it was impossible for me to win a point against him because he is so fast

Oh, the hilarity that ensues when people focus on one half of a sentence and ignore the rest.

The conditions didn't help him, mainly because his opponent was better in those conditions than him. Lo an behold that is almost exactly what he said.

Chloe le Bopper
04-19-2005, 07:03 PM
I don't see why Coria would need to justify the loss. He said a couple matches beforehand that he considered Nadal to be the best on clay right now. I found the comment a little absurd at the time. But that in itself would justify his loss.

Regardless, the sad ones will continue to grasp at desperate straws, and I will continue to sit back and laugh.

Chloe le Bopper
04-19-2005, 07:04 PM
You should read the entire interview. :)
Or even the entire passage that he quoted would be a good start. ;)

Deivid23
04-19-2005, 07:08 PM
Coria, blablablabla. Go learn some sportmanship, enano

TheMightyFed
04-19-2005, 07:17 PM
When will Coria stop finding excuses: blisters, cramp, rain, slow court, I mean, you name it... :mad:

Chloe le Bopper
04-19-2005, 07:22 PM
Okay, everybody who read the comment in context, put your hand up? *counts two hands*

That's about what I thought ;)

Deivid23
04-19-2005, 07:30 PM
Okay, everybody who read the comment in context, put your hand up? *counts two hands*

That's about what I thought ;)

Everybody who saw the match put your hands up ;)

foul_dwimmerlaik
04-19-2005, 07:30 PM
Where Coria is concerned, most people don't have to read anything in context. They got "feelings".

Chloe le Bopper
04-19-2005, 07:36 PM
Everybody who saw the match put your hands up ;)
I got the match live, thanks.

Woke up at 8:30 in the morning to watch it, actually.

:rolleyes:

Except for that third set. I protested after Coria tanked the end of the second set and turned the telly off

Chloe le Bopper
04-19-2005, 07:38 PM
Where Coria is concerned, most people don't have to read anything in context. They got "feelings".
As long as they don't pretend to be anything less than a subjective HATA, that is okay with me. It's when they try to butter up their subjective feelings in such a way as to claim they are being objective that it irritates me.

Deivid23
04-19-2005, 07:39 PM
I got the match live, thanks.

Then you should have also seen that rain wasnīt the reason for Coria to lose 1st and 2nd set, you should have heard the constant moaning about how lucky the kid was bc hitting the lines and how unfair God was bc his shots did not hit them and you should also have watched how he didnīt even congratulate Nadal neither when meeting on net after last point nor later in the ceremony trophy, or was that only in my TV? ;)

TheMightyFed
04-19-2005, 07:40 PM
Okay, everybody who read the comment in context, put your hand up? *counts two hands*

That's about what I thought ;)
For some players you don't need any context because they never complain, they don't bagel Gaudio and then are barely able to serve because of "psychological cramps" like in RG final. Coria said he had this because he stopped taking supplements after his suspension, like if everybody was ready to cry for a proven-doped athlete.
Some other players don't get "surprised" because the opponent runs fast in a final, they don't get bothered because the court gets slow while it actually favours them, they just accept defeat with grace and don't do any pathetic show...

Chloe le Bopper
04-19-2005, 07:41 PM
Then you should have also seen that rain wasnīt the reason for Coria to lose 1st and 2nd set, you should have heard the constant moaning about how lucky the kid was bc hitting the lines and how unfair God was bc his shots did not hit them and you should also have watched how he didnīt even congratulate Nadal when meeting on net after last point nor later in the ceremony trophy, or was that only in my TV? ;)
What in Gods name does that have to do with my point? My point, in case you didn't bother to read it, was that inferring something from an individual comment taken totally out of context is ridiculous. He has given Nadal plenty of credit, and conveniently even did so in the very quote that was used in the intial post. He also did so elsewhere in the interview. You are more than welcome to read it for yourself.

Thanks for keeping up.

Chloe le Bopper
04-19-2005, 07:42 PM
For some players you don't need any context because they never complain, they don't bagel Gaudio and then are barely able to serve because of "psychological cramps" like in RG final. Coria said he had this because he stopped taking supplements after his suspension, like if everybody was ready to cry for a proven-doped athlete.
Some other players don't get "surprised" because the opponent runs fast in a final, they don't get bothered because the court gets slow while it actually favours them, they just accept defeat with grace and don't do any pathetic show...
:retard:

Deivid23
04-19-2005, 07:46 PM
What in Gods name does that have to do with my point? My point, in case you didn't bother to read it, was that inferring something from an individual comment taken totally out of context is ridiculous. He has given Nadal plenty of credit, and conveniently even did so in the very quote that was used in the intial post. He also did so elsewhere in the interview. You are more than welcome to read it for yourself.

Thanks for keeping up.

Being a fan of Coriaīs game is ok. Defending Coriaīs attitude is ridiculous.

Chloe le Bopper
04-19-2005, 07:47 PM
Being a fan of Coriaīs game is ok. Defending Coriaīs attitude is ridiculous.
Okay, we are not even talking about the same thing. I'm not defending his attitude. I'm saying... UGH! I outlined my point in the above post.

If you'd like to argue about my point, I'm more than happy to do it.

Otherwise, Ciao for now.

I'm done repeating myself.

Armada~121
04-19-2005, 07:55 PM
Where Coria is concerned, most people don't have to read anything in context. They got "feelings".

I did read the whole interview and also watch the whole match, so I think it's not quite fair you made sweeping claim that everybody who criticizes Coria is his haters who never listen well before he/she speaks. I do not post a lot and I never bash any player according to my preference/dislike. Coria is not even in my dislike list.

The reason I put the word "feelings" there is only to indicate that it's my own subjective, unprovable notion of the subject, which is not to be taken as factual. You can have any "feelings" about my posts, that's your right (and I think you already do).

Deivid23
04-19-2005, 07:58 PM
Okay, we are not even talking about the same thing. I'm not defending his attitude. I'm saying... UGH! I outlined my point in the above post.

If you'd like to argue about my point, I'm more than happy to do it.

Otherwise, Ciao for now.

I'm done repeating myself.

Take some breath, this is not so serious. Just I found funny Coriaīs words and attitude and decided to make a bit of a comment with them in this thread, nothing personal against your comments, I find them interesting most of the times. Iīll make a final recap just to summarize:

1- Conditions were impossible for Coria to win that match, light 5 mins drizzle is obviously a mountain too high to climb against Nadal.

2- God was on Nadalīs side (you could hear some complains during the match about the kid hitting the lines and asking God for the same destiny to his shots), so nothing much he could do against.

3- (In interview) "My opponent had a lot of luck with his shots". First thing you should blame on when you lose I guess, bad luck...

4- After losing match when shaking Nadalīs hand at net, cold handshake and not even a "Congrats"

5- (In ceremony trophy) Again it was too much for him congratulating the champion, so better skip it.


Conclusion: (My first post in this thread) Coria blablablabla. Go learn some sportmanship, enano

Chloe le Bopper
04-19-2005, 08:04 PM
Take some breath, this is not so serious.

Who is serious? Just because i'm assertive doesn't mean I'm upset. I just HATE repeating myself. There are few things in life that I loathe more than that. Either than that, this thread is highly amusing.

Just I found funny Coriaīs words and attitude and decided to make a bit of a comment with them in this thread, nothing personal against your comments, I find them interesting most of the times. Iīll make a final recap just to summarize:

I don't think I picked on you for your individual comments. I picked on people in general for taking a quote completely out of context and inferring from it. I guarentee you that most people who commented did not read the entire interview - or even the entire quoted comment - before doing so.

1- Conditions were impossible for Coria to win that match, light 5 mins drizzle is obviously a mountain too high to climb against Nadal.

He was heavily complimentary of Nadal.

2- God was on Nadalīs side (you could hear some complains during the match about the kid hitting the lines and asking God for the same destiny to his shots), so nothing much he could do against.

Coria is a highly religious man. Anybody who has read his interviews or diary entries - not that I'm expecting most people to do this - would know this. I'm not going to criticize him for thinking that God decides our fates, even in simple things like the outcome of a match. I will admit that the concept is somewhat absurd to me, but I don't think it's proper to criticize him for it :shrug:



4- After losing match when shaking Nadalīs hand at net, cold handshake and not even a "Congrats"]

I suppose he was supposed to hug him like he did to his opponent at his moment of greatest defeat - the RG final. Yes, he's clearly always a brat at the net and needs to learn proper manners, since he's never demonstrated better than he did in the MC final.

5- (In ceremony trophy) Again it was too much for him congratulating the champion, so better skip it.


I didn't get the ceremony. I hear Nadal didn't say much about Coria either. True or false?

TheMightyFed
04-19-2005, 08:05 PM
Hope he will play Fed, Nadal, Safin and that kind of guys a lot of times and he will be thrashed by them, so that we can measure the difference in attitude between him and these great personnalities.
Nadal was a giant after Spain victory in DC when he went shaking hands to all French players, Coria is really smaller than him, in every aspect...

Deivid23
04-19-2005, 08:11 PM
He was heavily complimentary of Nadal.


Complimentary when saying he had a lot of luck on his shots?


I suppose he was supposed to hug him like he did to his opponent at his moment of greatest defeat - the RG final. Yes, he's clearly always a brat at the net and needs to learn proper manners, since he's never demonstrated better than he did in the MC final.


A simple "Congrats" would have been ok for a teenager winning his first big title.


I didn't get the ceremony. I hear Nadal didn't say much about Coria either. True or false?

You are wrong. Nadal congratulated Coria for reaching the finals and praised him. Coria only said "Perdí contra un gran jugador", but maybe thatīs a heavy compliment to your eyes....

Peoples
04-19-2005, 08:15 PM
Pathetic excuses, the unclassy dirtballer can't take a defeat again.

Chloe le Bopper
04-19-2005, 08:49 PM
Complimentary when saying he had a lot of luck on his shots?

You haven't read the interview. This part of the conversation ends until you do.


A simple "Congrats" would have been ok for a teenager winning his first big title.

I don't disagree with that.

You are wrong. Nadal congratulated Coria for reaching the finals and praised him. Coria only said "Perdí contra un gran jugador", but maybe thatīs a heavy compliment to your eyes....

No. I was not wrong. I was repeating what I had heard and asked if it was correct. I would have been wrong if I had assumed it to be true. Surely you can rub them together and see the difference here? :)

The last part IS a compliment. You are completely unreasonable about Coria so I'm not in the least bit surprised that you don't consider it as much.

Deivid23
04-19-2005, 08:59 PM
You haven't read the interview. This part of the conversation ends until you do.


GUILLERMO CORIA: ...... He played very well, and I was surprised how much he was able to run. He was very good physically. Also, he was having a lot of success and luck with his shots.

No. I was not wrong. I was repeating what I had heard and asked if it was correct. I would have been wrong if I had assumed it to be true. Surely you can rub them together and see the difference here? :)

Youīre leaving the main concern about your question, anyway it sounded more like an assumption so itīs your choice to make an approach by othersī comments. Iīve always preferred forming my own opinion and I thought you were of that kind also, my fault.

The last part IS a compliment. You are completely unreasonable about Coria so I'm not in the least bit surprised that you don't consider it as much.

lol Completely unreasonable about Coria, youīve read my mind ;)

Carito_90
04-19-2005, 09:38 PM
GUILLERMO CORIA: ...... He played very well, and I was surprised how much he was able to run. He was very good physically. Also, he was having a lot of success and luck with his shots.


Its hilarious how people just LOVE finding the smallest word or phrase that could be taken as an excuse or simply something to bash Coria and use it :lol:

Coming from Coria, what he said was a HUGE compliment. See, I've noticed he is not comfortable bowing his opponents when he loses, probably because he sets his mind in what he did wrong or simply because he doesn't feel comfortable doing it. It happens to me, I wouldn't feel comfortable saying "His forehand was amazing, his serve is extremely fast" blah blah about anyone.
I mean, people, this is getting old, you know how Coria is, he's not the kind of player who would worship another player but does respect them so I really can't believe you're complaining about what he said about Nadal, when it was actually one hell of a compliment.

*remembers this is GM*...

Oh! yeah... :p

World Beater
04-19-2005, 11:07 PM
The thread wasnt intended to pick apart coria's interview, at least that wasnt the intention.

I had a question about why coria might favor faster courts when playing nadal. This contradicted my initial intuition. I NEVER suggested it was an excuse, nor do I have to read the whole interview. I could care less about what Coria's attitude is, or his sportsmanship.

Coria said he "thought" the court was slow, and I also "thought" that Coria would favor slower courts. And yes they are opinions. Talk about picking out small things, a poster just did that to me, and laughs about how others that do it to Coria. That is hilarious.

Is that too hard to grasp?

Carito_90
04-20-2005, 12:54 AM
WB, you only have to do as little as create a thread about Coria, no matter if its worshipping him or bashing him, and people will start picking on him, its just the way it is here :) But if you say you didn't mean to cause trouble, its alright, I'm not blaming you anyway. Not me at least :lol:

World Beater
04-20-2005, 01:05 AM
WB, you only have to do as little as create a thread about Coria, no matter if its worshipping him or bashing him, and people will start picking on him, its just the way it is here :) But if you say you didn't mean to cause trouble, its alright, I'm not blaming you anyway. Not me at least :lol:

Ok... I appreciate it :)

Chloe le Bopper
04-20-2005, 03:09 AM
WB, you only have to do as little as create a thread about Coria, no matter if its worshipping him or bashing him, and people will start picking on him, its just the way it is here :) But if you say you didn't mean to cause trouble, its alright, I'm not blaming you anyway. Not me at least :lol:
Pretty much.

niko
04-20-2005, 05:12 AM
He is making excuses for his defeat and he wanted to go off at 5-3 down in the 1st set and Layhani put him in his place.
I totally agree with you and don't want to sound offensive, but it seems to me argentinians are good at it.

Chloe le Bopper
04-20-2005, 05:57 AM
Youīre leaving the main concern about your question, anyway it sounded more like an assumption so itīs your choice to make an approach by othersī comments. Iīve always preferred forming my own opinion and I thought you were of that kind also, my fault.




If it was an assumption, why the Hell would I have asked for verification? Yeah, I was really looking for a loophole where I could insult Nadal :rolleyes: Talk about grasping at straws.

Chloe le Bopper
04-20-2005, 05:59 AM
I totally agree with you and don't want to sound offensive, but it seems to me argentinians are good at it.
It seems to me like tennis players in general are good at it. Maybe when I'm done exams I"ll whip up every interview I can find where a non Argie is "making excuses" (read: I'll take comments totally out of context and attempt to interpret them as unreasonably as possible, all for the sake of negativity). Probably not. I'll have other things to study for. But it can be done quite easily :)

Deivid23
04-20-2005, 07:06 AM
If it was an assumption, why the Hell would I have asked for verification? Yeah, I was really looking for a loophole where I could insult Nadal :rolleyes: Talk about grasping at straws.

Well, I donīt find this discussion interesting anymore. You like to talk around the fam (with very little success, at least with me, I donīt want to explain to you whatīs obvious as you like to do), leaving out the wheat you dislike. I really find it boring

Action Jackson
04-20-2005, 08:12 AM
I totally agree with you and don't want to sound offensive, but it seems to me argentinians are good at it.

Too many players make excuses irrespective of nationality.

foul_dwimmerlaik
04-20-2005, 08:24 AM
The reason I put the word "feelings" there is only to indicate that it's my own subjective, unprovable notion of the subject, which is not to be taken as factual. You can have any "feelings" about my posts, that's your right (and I think you already do).But that's the entire point. The quote is taken out of context and assumed a different meaning, regardless of what else was said in the interview. Just on the base of subjective feelings.

Anyway, I apologize to you personally, if I misenterpreted your words. But you only have to read this thread in its entirety to see that my generalization wasn't far off the mark.

niko
04-20-2005, 02:51 PM
Too many players make excuses irrespective of nationality.
It seems to me like tennis players in general are good at it. Maybe when I'm done exams I"ll whip up every interview I can find where a non Argie is "making excuses" (read: I'll take comments totally out of context and attempt to interpret them as unreasonably as possible, all for the sake of negativity). Probably not. I'll have other things to study for. But it can be done quite easily :)
What I really meant was "top argentinian players are good at it". I agree that players in general are good at it. Coria isn't a player in general. The way I look at it that top players are role models and when they come up with BS excuses they basicly sending wrong message to a new generation of tennis players who eventually start emulate them, this is why I think you don't see acts of great sportmanship, it's all about the money.