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MTF Showdown: Nadal vs. Gasquet!

Tennis Fool
04-18-2005, 09:48 PM
We haven't down one of these in a while.

Let the match begin! :p

Bibir
04-18-2005, 10:07 PM
TF, the poll prince! :p

Gasquet.

Tennis Fool
04-25-2005, 07:04 PM
Bea, I've curbed my addiction ;)

Well, Nadal maybe winning all the tournaments, but the poll is tied so far...

***Daniela86***
04-25-2005, 07:09 PM
Nadal by far :rocker: :rocker: :rocker:

rocketrajic
04-25-2005, 07:09 PM
Gasquet. It's a no-brainer.


Yes, he leads actually 10-9.

Rogiman
04-25-2005, 07:10 PM
Gasquet :devil:

Eruwen
04-25-2005, 07:10 PM
Rafa

rocketrajic
04-25-2005, 07:12 PM
I don't know why you all love Nadal. I find him arrogant and pretentious like Roddick.

TheMightyFed
04-25-2005, 07:17 PM
Gasquet=pure talent and great shotmaker, he's gonna give us great moments of tennis :worship:

PaulieM
04-25-2005, 07:25 PM
gasquet

Rogiman
04-25-2005, 07:31 PM
I don't know why you all love Nadal. I find him arrogant and pretentious like Roddick.

Relax, even though the kid is already rich and famous he's still a mere 18 year old boy, such a judgement is really premature ;)

Sandra
04-25-2005, 07:31 PM
Richard

Lady
04-25-2005, 09:07 PM
Rafa

Chloe le Bopper
04-25-2005, 09:39 PM
I don't know why you all love Nadal. I find him arrogant and pretentious like Roddick.
In case you were just born yesterday: everybody here does not love Nadal. Thanks for keeping up!

You'd probably be pretty arrogant if you were even half as good at anything as he is at tennis. As it is, I highly doubt you are. And that isn't an insult, it's reality. I sure as Hell am not.

makro120
04-25-2005, 09:41 PM
I like them both, but I like aggresive tennis and onehand backhands so I go for Gasquet. It will take sometime for him to develop his game, but he will someday win a grand slam and he will be top 5 atleast I think.

GermanBoy
04-25-2005, 09:52 PM
Definitely Richard Gasquet! No question! :devil:

Rogiman
04-25-2005, 09:53 PM
Definitely Richard Gasquet! No question! :devil:

That's my (German)boy! :devil:

tennischick
04-25-2005, 09:56 PM
this is a toughy. if they are both rested and at their best, i give the edge to Mini-Rog. he'd spank Nadal. that would be a match worth watching tho!

Deivid23
04-25-2005, 09:58 PM
Whoīs Gasquet?

joske
04-25-2005, 09:58 PM
Gasquet... he's a Frenchie :woohoo: and very talented (as we all have seen these last weeks)

Rogiman
04-25-2005, 09:59 PM
Whoīs Gasquet?

Who's cocky...? :devil:

Deivid23
04-25-2005, 09:59 PM
Gasquet... he's a Frenchie :woohoo: and very talented (as we all have seen these last weeks)

Ok then, I pick Gaswho? cause Nadal is a lucky overrated kid and plays ugly tennis.

GermanBoy
04-25-2005, 10:00 PM
That's my (German)boy! :devil:

:eek:

Deivid23
04-25-2005, 10:49 PM
Who's cocky...? :devil:

Now more seriously, talking about young players, just curiosity, do u like Verdasco?

Chloe le Bopper
04-25-2005, 10:54 PM
Ok then, I pick Gaswho? cause Nadal is a lucky overrated kid and plays ugly tennis.
He's just lucky that he was born with a big ass or he would be going nowhere in life.

Chloe le Bopper
04-25-2005, 10:55 PM
By the way, I'm pretty sure that Gasquet and Nadal were fairly equally "rested" in Estoril last year, where Nadal beat Gasquet on a broken foot. Not to suggest this will the trend of their future matches. I'm just saying. LUCKY!

Rogiman
04-25-2005, 11:03 PM
Now more seriously, talking about young players, just curiosity, do u like Verdasco?

Unfortunately I haven't gotten much of him (I 'm limited to what Eurosport and ESPN Middle East have to offer), but from what I did see he hits his mind out on every shot, which makes it kind of tough for me to watch...

A player I do enjoy watching alot is Nalbandian - probably the only double handed backhand I find spectacular - too bad he plays well so sporadically :sad:

Deivid23
04-25-2005, 11:08 PM
Unfortunately I haven't gotten much of him (I 'm limited to what Eurosport and ESPN Middle East have to offer), but from what I did see he hits his mind out on every shot, which makes it kind of tough for me to watch...

A player I do enjoy watching alot is Nalbandian - probably the only double handed backhand I find spectacular - too bad he plays well so sporadically :sad:

No, heīs not González, but heīs an agressive player and takes a lot of risks, but as a shotmaker, his lefty fh is really worth to watch, not only bc of its power but also bc of the abilty to change directions and precision. Imo itīs one of the best shots in tour. Maybe some day he will start to use his brain and then youīll get more of him. ;)

Sjengster
04-25-2005, 11:13 PM
I think just about the only Verdasco matches I've ever seen are the two he lost to Moya last year, including that choke in Hamburg where he led 4-2 in the deciding set and lost 4 games in a row (dumping a short overhead miles over the baseline to go down matchpoint in the final game). From a distance I always thought of him as a Nadal clone in his appearance and clothing, but the patience of the younger Spaniard is certainly not there, which might explain why Nadal has thrashed him in their meetings so far. Actually, I did see a little bit of him for the first time against Roddick at Cincy in 2003 (when he broke Roddick's serve in the second set, a feat not achieved again until Fish did it in the final).

Didn't he hit one of the fastest forehands of the tournament against Robredo in Madrid last year? Pity he didn't win that match, it would have been interesting to see his baseline power against Agassi in the quarters, although his pace might have been turned against him.

Deivid23
04-25-2005, 11:23 PM
I think just about the only Verdasco matches I've ever seen are the two he lost to Moya last year, including that choke in Hamburg where he led 4-2 in the deciding set and lost 4 games in a row (dumping a short overhead miles over the baseline to go down matchpoint in the final game). From a distance I always thought of him as a Nadal clone in his appearance and clothing, but the patience of the younger Spaniard is certainly not there, which might explain why Nadal has thrashed him in their meetings so far. Actually, I did see a little bit of him for the first time against Roddick at Cincy in 2003 (when he broke Roddick's serve in the second set, a feat not achieved again until Fish did it in the final).

Didn't he hit one of the fastest forehands of the tournament against Robredo in Madrid last year? Pity he didn't win that match, it would have been interesting to see his baseline power against Agassi in the quarters, although his pace might have been turned against him.


Nothing to do with a Nadalīs clone, just they both are lefty and both prefer hittting the ball with their forehands. Verdasco has a great first serve, powerful and varied -when focused, he can make an ace per game not going down than 200km/h on everyone of them-. He can generate unbelievable pace with his fh (more than Nadal) and also his backhand when itīs on is a dangerous stroke bc of his power, but itīs definetely his weakest shot. Heīs more "elegant" than Nadal Iīd say also. But he lacks of "smartness on court" and he tends to go out of the match with terrible ease, very inconsistent player.

I was praying for seeing him against André last year in Madrid, but Robredo played a great match and avoided that clash. Anyway, they both played in Stockholm later (Verdasco had declared his idol was Agassi) and I remember André praised a lot his young opponent that day on some interviews.

Sjengster
04-25-2005, 11:27 PM
Yes, I meant in appearance and the leftiness - obviously their games aren't really comparable, otherwise Verdasco might be a little more consistent than he is. I do know he double bagelled our own Grinning Greg at last year's RG... did you see that match, and was he impressive against the tough claycourt opposition he faced?

Deivid23
04-25-2005, 11:31 PM
Yes, I meant in appearance and the leftiness - obviously their games aren't really comparable, otherwise Verdasco might be a little more consistent than he is. I do know he double bagelled our own Grinning Greg at last year's RG... did you see that match, and was he impressive against the tough claycourt opposition he faced?

hehehe, no I didnīt watch that match. The thing with Verdasco is that some times his return skills or his backhand look weak parts of his game, but Iīve also seen him returning like an animal from both sides and hitting many booming cc and dtl winners with his bh, so you never know with him...

For me, heīs a huge talent, but I donīt know if he will be remembered as one more of those underachievers or some day he will become a top player.

Clara Bow
04-25-2005, 11:54 PM
Originally Posted by rocketrajic
I don't know why you all love Nadal. I find him arrogant and pretentious like Roddick.
***
The response by Chloe

In case you were just born yesterday: everybody here does not love Nadal. Thanks for keeping up!

You'd probably be pretty arrogant if you were even half as good at anything as he is at tennis. As it is, I highly doubt you are. And that isn't an insult, it's reality. I sure as Hell am not.

Gotta agree with Chloe. Not everyone here loves Nadal, in fact I've read quite a few posters who don't seem to like him at all. I'm not one of them though- I'm a fan.

I must say that I don't find Nadal to be arrogant. One thing that has made me a fan of him is that he seems to be very well grounded, has realistic expectations of himself, has respect for fellow players and knows where his game needs to improve. I just find him to be fun and exciting to watch on court and very likeable off court and in interviews.

And as kind of an aside I think you could call Roddick a number of things but I don't think pretentious is one of them. In my opinion he is one of the more self-effacing guys on the tour. I think his lack of pretense is why a number of his fans like him.

Back to topic? Can't decide between the two because I haven't seen enough of Gasquet (though I have enjoyed what I have seen). Plus- I think that both of their games are developing. Heck, I could end up likeing them both the same even with their different styles. I enjoy watching Federer, Safin, Coria, Roddick, Hewitt, El Aynaoui, etc. play and even they all have different styles and personalities I couldn't really choose a favorite. I have room in my heart to embrace many a tennis player. :)

martirogi
04-26-2005, 12:16 AM
:speakles: i thought nadal would be winning easily. well im glad not everyone likes him, that would make him boring.

MissMoJo
04-26-2005, 12:27 AM
My favorite Frenchie is Gael
Rafa gets my vote

Chloe le Bopper
04-26-2005, 01:22 AM
I must say that I don't find Nadal to be arrogant. One thing that has made me a fan of him is that he seems to be very well grounded, has realistic expectations of himself, has respect for fellow players and knows where his game needs to improve. I just find him to be fun and exciting to watch on court and very likeable off court and in interviews.


I agree with you. But I guess some people consider him arrogant because of how he acts on court, or they consider him pretentious because he doesn't act that way off of court. Whatever ;) I have given up trying ot udnerstand.

And as kind of an aside I think you could call Roddick a number of things but I don't think pretentious is one of them. In my opinion he is one of the more self-effacing guys on the tour. I think his lack of pretense is why a number of his fans like him.

I agree with you about Roddick. He's never struck me as any more arrogant than any of the other top players. Save perhaps Roger, they've all had their horribly obnoxious moments on court ;) (I don't consider breaking a racquet "horribly obnoxious", I'm thinking more along the lines of nasty exchanges with the chair).

Back to the topic, I also can see myself enjoying Gasquet. I don't know if I'll ever like him as much as Nadal... I've only seen him once, afterall. I'm not impressed with some of his errr... multiple retirement (or default) of tournaments past. But hopefully those moments are in the past. He's young and I can forgive him ;) Struggle builds character :yeah:

gravity
04-26-2005, 02:04 AM
:speakles: i thought nadal would be winning easily. well im glad not everyone likes him, that would make him boring.

People already see him as a winner and that makes him easy to dislike.... or many here at least hope he starts losing more matches. I've noticed a huge increase in numbers of people joining the Rafa Nadal fault-finding mission, ever since he started win a few serious tournaments/matches. Such a shame that success breeds contempt. :lol:

Vamosssssssss Rafa. :worship:

Chloe le Bopper
04-26-2005, 02:23 AM
Some of it is definitely a matter of prefered game style. With so many Fed fans around here, it wouldn't be surprising if a lot of them in particular would prefer Gasquet. That said, I do believe that Gravity's explanation applies to at least a few posters ;)

*julie*
04-26-2005, 02:28 AM
People already see him as a winner and that makes him easy to dislike.... or many here at least hope he starts losing more matches. I've noticed a huge increase in numbers of people joining the Rafa Nadal fault-finding mission, ever since he started win a few serious tournaments/matches. Such a shame that success breeds contempt. :lol:

Vamosssssssss Rafa. :worship:

Do you mean that the votes for gasquet were actually anti-nadal votes??? :eek:
I think people are fed up with all the clay specialists and their rallies in general and not especially nadal. Gasquet played a very beautiful tennis in MC with a lot of diversity.

Btw I voted for Gasquet cos I prefer him and it doesn't mean I want to see Nadal losing matches. ;)

Allure
04-26-2005, 02:34 AM
I have to say Nadal but Gasquet is hot. :hearts: And to think at first I thought he was an old man. :o

Chloe le Bopper
04-26-2005, 02:39 AM
Gasquet is hot? Did I miss something? He was a cute kid once upon a time, but he has no shoulders and poor skin. He might grow shoulders and grow out of the skin. Time will tell!

mangoes
04-26-2005, 02:40 AM
I am a very big fan of Nadal, and I think he is very talented. I'm always cheering for him. But I must admit, Gasquet has raw talent. If Gasquet hadn't run out of steam, he would have beaten Nadal. He still has to develop his game, but I believe he will win some grandslams.

WyveN
04-26-2005, 02:46 AM
Such a shame that success breeds contempt. :lol:


no it doesnt, federer is among the most popular players on this forum.

Deboogle!.
04-26-2005, 02:50 AM
I like them both a lot :awww:

Chloe le Bopper
04-26-2005, 02:55 AM
no it doesnt, federer is among the most popular players on this forum.
Yes, and there are a couple people who don't like him because he's so successful. Or at the very least want him to lose. So yes, success does breed contemp. Just less so in the case of Federer ;)

WyveN
04-26-2005, 02:57 AM
Yes, and there are a couple people who don't like him because he's so successful. Or at the very least want him to lose. So yes, success does breed contemp. Just less so in the case of Federer ;)

More people want him to lose now which is understandable but I dont think people have began to dislike him simply because he has won a lot.

tennischick
04-26-2005, 02:59 AM
:speakles: i thought nadal would be winning easily. well im glad not everyone likes him, that would make him boring.
i love Nadal. but i happen to think that Gasquet is currently playing the better clay tennis. that backhand down the line is a critical shot on clay -- and Gasquet can produce it reliably.

Chloe le Bopper
04-26-2005, 03:00 AM
More people want him to lose now which is understandable but I dont think people have began to dislike him simply because he has won a lot.
I don't think that scores of people did, but I think that a select few did. Of course I can't name names on this, I'm just going by impressions ;)

That said, I believe that Federer is an exception. The backlash against a successful player is usually much greater. At least that has been my experience. The Roddick backlash? Yikes! The Hewitt backlash? :scared: And while I wasn't on the internet back then, the fact that there are still Sampras haters tells me something ;)

Not to compare Nadal's level of success to any of those players, of course :)

Allure
04-26-2005, 03:05 AM
Gasquet is hot? Did I miss something? He was a cute kid once upon a time, but he has no shoulders and poor skin. He might grow shoulders and grow out of the skin. Time will tell!

I like his face. :)

Deivid23
04-26-2005, 03:09 AM
I notice a "small" overreaction at Gasquetīs abilities. I think people are biased bc of his great run in MC (understandable), where he played at his 101% since 2nd set against Federer till 3rd set against Nadal. Guy is very talented, his backhand is terrific and he has touch, but Iīve also seen him hitting all balls out or into the net, so letīs be a bit more cautelous and fair about this kid.

PD: (No offence, French fellas, I know you wonīt ever agree ;) ) For instance, imo Verdasco at his 101% is much more impressive than Gasquet at his 101%.

WyveN
04-26-2005, 03:18 AM
I notice a "small" overreaction at Gasquetīs abilities. I think people are biased bc of his great run in MC (understandable), where he played at his 101% since 2nd set against Federer till 3rd set against Nadal.


How do you know that will be his 101% in the future? When Federer was young and occasionally played incredible matches, lots of people said he will never be able to play at that level consistently, even up until 2004.

I saw Gasquet for the first time against Safin in 2002, he played remarkably well.




Guy is very talented, his backhand is terrific and he has touch, but Iīve also seen him hitting all balls out or into the net, so letīs be a bit more cautelous and fair about this kid.


Gasquet has a high risk game, its not surprising that with so little experience he is having a lot of ugly matches. It is very promising that he was able to raise his game against Federer of all people and chances are that in time he will become far more consistent.



PD: For instance, imo Verdasco at his 101% is much more impressive than Gasquet at his 101%.

It doesnt matter what peoples 101% level is, whats important is their 90% level and I think eventually Gasquet's 90% level will put him into the top 5.

Chloe le Bopper
04-26-2005, 03:25 AM
i happen to think that Gasquet is currently playing the better clay tennis.

Erm... alrighty :yeah:

Mimi
04-26-2005, 03:28 AM
nadal :woohoo: :bowdown: :yeah: :baby: , he is so cute like a little boy :music:

but gasquet has a wonderful backhand :worship:

still i love nadal more, coz i hate getting old and i like those with baby face :baby: :nerner:

Deivid23
04-26-2005, 03:35 AM
How do you know that will be his 101% in the future? When Federer was young and occasionally played incredible matches, lots of people said he will never be able to play at that level consistently, even up until 2004.


Obviously, I was talking about this moment, year 2005, and yes, Gasquet had some brilliant phases those days in which I can say he played his best (101% is a bit of exageration, sorry, should have written 100%) donīt know whatīs wrong with that assumption. Maybe in the future Gasquet can play 24 hours hitting winners here and there without missing a single one, but at this 2005 I think itīs an unrealistic possibility...


Gasquet has a high risk game, its not surprising that with so little experience he is having a lot of ugly matches. It is very promising that he was able to raise his game against Federer of all people and chances are that in time he will become far more consistent.

Agree, but I was not talking about missing a shot my cms bc trying to hit a winner, I was talking about him not being consistent and I donīt have to go too far (I must remember he played a bad match against Davydenko, who served for the match and played awful since then).



It doesnt matter what peoples 101% level is, whats important is their 90% level and I think eventually Gasquet's 90% level will put him into the top 5.

Agree. If Gasquet manages to keep a high level heīs top player material, but that has nothing to do with my late assumption. If Verdasco managed to keep that 90% you talk about Iīm sure weīd see many polls and prasings about Fernando.


Conclusion: Gasquet is talented, he has the weapons to become a top player, but there are a lot of sub21 guys who have a lot of talent and so far the only one who deserves full credit bc what he has achieved is Nadal. ;)

Chloe le Bopper
04-26-2005, 03:38 AM
so far the only one who deserves full credit bc what he has achieved is Nadal.

Ding ding! It's more than just a little funny that people used to whine about his hype, and Gasquet got way more considering their respective achievements. There isn't a doubt in my mind that there is some serious hypocritical crossover going on here either, but I'm not about to investigate enough to name names ;)

In truth, I'm just REALLY sad that King Nadal has lost a poll. :sad:

WyveN
04-26-2005, 03:44 AM
Obviously, I was talking about this moment, year 2005, and yes, Gasquet had some brilliant phases those days in which I can say he played his best (101% is a bit of exageration, sorry, should have written 100%) donīt know whatīs wrong with that assumption. Maybe in the future Gasquet can play 24 hours hitting winners here and there without missing a single one, but at this 2005 I think itīs an unrealistic possibility...


Thats true but I dont think anyone suggested Gasquet is going to do anything this season, beating Federer and making the semis of MC has probably already made 2005 a success for him, it may take 5 years for him to mature.





Conclusion: Gasquet is talented, he has the weapons to become a top player, but there are a lot of sub21 guys who have a lot of talent and so far the only one who deserves full credit bc what he has achieved is Nadal. ;)

As I said I dont think anyone is predicting for Gasquet to win the FrenchOpen this year. Nadal receives a lot of credit on this forum, maybe even a little to much from some people relative to what he has actually achieved.

WyveN
04-26-2005, 03:47 AM
Ding ding! It's more than just a little funny that people used to whine about his hype, and Gasquet got way more considering their respective achievements.

GM is filled with Nadal threads. There is 1 Gasquet thread and Nadal is also in the subject.

Deivid23
04-26-2005, 03:56 AM
Thats true but I dont think anyone suggested Gasquet is going to do anything this season, beating Federer and making the semis of MC has probably already made 2005 a success for him, it may take 5 years for him to mature.

Thatīs why I found a bit overreacting the fact of comparing Nadal to Gasquet these days. Nadal is right now sth like 2 or 3 steps ahead of any of those talented sub21 players. Youīre saying Richard maybe will need some years to mature and become a top player, facts say Nadal is already a top player and he has the same age. To make it even clearer, as much as I like Verdasco (Iīve said many times heīs the best sub21 talent for my taste, but tennis is not only talent) I would find myself ridiculous if I compare him to Nadal nowadays, even when I think Verdasco may achieve more things than Nadal if he could use his brain properly.

As I said I dont think anyone is predicting for Gasquet to win the FrenchOpen this year. Nadal receives a lot of credit on this forum, maybe even a little to much from some people relative to what he has actually achieved.


I donīt think the credit he receives here is exagerated at all. Iīm convinced he will receive a lot more in the future, though ;)

Chloe le Bopper
04-26-2005, 03:57 AM
Nadal receives a lot of credit on this forum, maybe even a little to much from some people relative to what he has actually achieved.

And those people are balanced by the two or three "Nadal is a lucky prick"! posters.

mangoes
04-26-2005, 04:24 AM
I can't believe Nadal is being called arrogant. Success doesn't equal arrogance. Let's just be thrilled for his success.

And what exactly makes Nadal arrogant??? His excitment at winning??

Allure
04-26-2005, 04:43 AM
I can't believe Nadal is being called arrogant. Success doesn't equal arrogance. Let's just be thrilled for his success.

And what exactly makes Nadal arrogant??? His excitment at winning??

Agree, I don't see him as arrogant at all. :)

martirogi
04-26-2005, 05:02 AM
actually when i was in miami the guy next to me took one look at nadal and said hes arrogant and rude, i dont want him to win :tape:

Clara Bow
04-26-2005, 05:23 AM
actually when i was in miami the guy next to me took one look at nadal and said hes arrogant and rude, i dont want him to win

How could anyone say that without getting to know the personality? Sigh... But does not surprise me. There are some fusters everywhere who take one look and judge.

Rafael is not arrogant, just because he has success or is excited. I come from a mutli-cultural backround and since my parents got together in an era that that was frowned upon it was always drilled into me to get to know the personality not the appearance or imediate outward actions because of the shit they [my folks] went through. I'm also sure that many people judge people on their personality as well regardless of their background. But I am always loathe to hear people make knee-jerk reaction to people based on a 1-second impression be it in the sports, politcal, artistic, or personal arena.

Mimi
04-26-2005, 05:23 AM
don't find nadal arrogant, this guy is unfair coz he does not know nadal deeply :angel:
actually when i was in miami the guy next to me took one look at nadal and said hes arrogant and rude, i dont want him to win :tape:

WyveN
04-26-2005, 05:33 AM
Thatīs why I found a bit overreacting the fact of comparing Nadal to Gasquet these days.

They are part of the same generation and are extremely talented, of course thye will be compared. Monfils and Baghdatis will also be compared to them. Federer was compared to Hewitt when he didnt have a 10th of Hewitts achievements.

Some people have said Gasquet may eventually turn out to be a better player then Nadal and you seem to have a problem with it.

WyveN
04-26-2005, 05:35 AM
And those people are balanced by the two or three "Nadal is a lucky prick"! posters.

Actually those are balanced out by some of the fanatics that claim things like "Nadal will never lose to Ferrero/coria again" posts.

Chloe le Bopper
04-26-2005, 05:53 AM
He wears sleeveless shirts and capris. He's clearly arrogant!

Deivid23
04-26-2005, 10:18 AM
Some people have said Gasquet may eventually turn out to be a better player then Nadal and you seem to have a problem with it.

I have no absolutely no problem with that, it will be exciting to watch much more quality matches between both, so I hope Gasquet will be able to become a top player, donīt know if I havenīt explained myself well or you have not been able to get my points.

PD: The thing I wanted to make clear is that I donīt think we can compare Nadal with any other young player right now, and if so, there are other ones more talented than Gasquet to do it. And maybe the one who may have a problem admiting this is you ;)

Nacho
04-26-2005, 11:49 AM
Some people have said Gasquet may eventually turn out to be a better player then Nadal

That has been said for 3 years already and we're still waiting

Rogiman
04-26-2005, 12:05 PM
Some people have said Gasquet may eventually turn out to be a better player then Nadal

That has been said for 3 years already and we're still waiting

It took quite a few years for Federer to turn the 2:7 record against Hewitt around to 9:7 :angel:

Art&Soul
04-26-2005, 12:28 PM
I prefer Richie coz he has the beautifull game and the touch like Roger ;) I still like Nadal for his fighting spirit but Richie in my opinion makes the game look so easy and artistic so i voted for him and one more thing i find him hotter than Nadal, Nadal a bit muscular not the type i like :)

Adman
04-26-2005, 12:32 PM
Gasquet NO QUESTION!!

TheMightyFed
04-26-2005, 12:58 PM
Interesting stat from Wertheim mailbag:

Gasquet vs. Nadal stats from Monte Carlo:

Gasquet: 58 winners/70 unforced
Nadal: 24 winners/34 unforced

My vote goes to the shotmaker (plus I'm Fench ;) )
Nadal is not arrogant, he pumps himself but he doesn't yell "C'moooon" on opponent's UE's like a certain LH... :mad:

richard gasquet
04-26-2005, 01:25 PM
richard has pure talent,nadal is a huge fighter both are great young players, nadal is ahead richard for now but wait few times and I think the french if he works his physique hard he will probably be a "real problem" for the spanich.

WyveN
04-26-2005, 01:33 PM
That has been said for 3 years already and we're still waiting

The more complicated the game the longer players generally take to develop.

Auscon
04-26-2005, 01:36 PM
I've never seen Gasquet play, and havent seen or heard much of him other than at Monte Carlo.....but even if I had seen him play I'm pretty sure my vote would still be with Nadal

awesome game, and seems like a pretty good guy too

junekidd
04-26-2005, 01:56 PM
ermmmmm... where is the "both" option? ;)

it is exciting to see Richard's game. always be aggressive and take a risk to his opponent. I love this style.
Rafa's game is great in different way. he is mature, no obvious defect in skills and could control the match in his rhythm.
so it is difficult to pick one from them.

TheMightyFed
04-26-2005, 02:03 PM
I've never seen Gasquet play, and havent seen or heard much of him other than at Monte Carlo.....but even if I had seen him play I'm pretty sure my vote would still be with Nadal

awesome game, and seems like a pretty good guy too
doenload the torent matches if you can, it's really awesome. I saw him a bit last year on TV in RG but he played not well against Nalby.
Against Fed and Nadal he really displayed a great game, out of this world shots, a bit like Fed actually, that's why this QF in MC was so great, with MP's on both sides and all... really good player, try to watch him in RG...

Auscon
04-26-2005, 02:08 PM
doenload the torent matches if you can, it's really awesome. I saw him a bit last year on TV in RG but he played not well against Nalby.
Against Fed and Nadal he really displayed a great game, out of this world shots, a bit like Fed actually, that's why this QF in MC was so great, with MP's on both sides and all... really good player, try to watch him in RG...

no chance of downloading on my comp.....56k connection that cuts out fairly often


and I wont get to see any of RG most likely :(

TheMightyFed
04-26-2005, 02:55 PM
no chance of downloading on my comp.....56k connection that cuts out fairly often
and I wont get to see any of RG most likely :(
Too bad... time to buy ADSL mate !
For RG I thought it was pretty widely aired, or maybe you don't have TV...
anyway I'm pretty sure you'll have opportunities to see him play ;)

yanchr
04-26-2005, 05:34 PM
Can't believe it, Gasquet is leading :eek: Must be many Roger fans ;)

I think he may turn out to achieve more than Nadal given him some more years, based on how he develops his already beautiful game in a more consistent way and his mental strength in the future. It definitely takes more time for a game like his to mature into a certain level to be competitive enough on a regular base. It's something like Roger-Hewitt stuff.

And I think he should play more on the surfaces other than clay to collect more confidence and experience there. He has a game potentially for all surfaces. That, not sure about Nadal.

TennisLurker
04-26-2005, 05:46 PM
richi!

Auscon
04-26-2005, 05:46 PM
Too bad... time to buy ADSL mate !
For RG I thought it was pretty widely aired, or maybe you don't have TV...
anyway I'm pretty sure you'll have opportunities to see him play ;)

We dont get RG in Aus on free-to-air tv (even though we get the 3 other slams), but it's on pay tv

all I'd use it for is the sports channel, but the minimum package has a whole heap of crap and its not cheap

Tennis Fool
05-13-2005, 08:14 PM
Nadal has been on a tear, but Gasquet was the 2nd to beat Federer this year...Now he's in the semis of Hamburg. Is there a rematch in the works?

Marine
05-13-2005, 08:42 PM
I think Nadal is better, he'll be a big champion, I dunno if Richard will have the mental for that.
I think too Richard is more talented naturally and I prefer his game, he's very specatular and his backhand is just amazing ! So beautiful !!
But he lacks so many things: physic, mental, fighting spirit...

Tennis Fool
05-13-2005, 08:50 PM
Why does RG remind me of Anakin Skywalker :confused:

vincayou
05-13-2005, 08:52 PM
Well, his victory against Federer after having missed and saved match points was quite impressive on a mental point of view.
And he's showing some constitency now. He seems to be on the right track now.

Media frenzy will be huge in France for Rolland Garros, if Richard manages to get to the final tomorrow. If not, it will be huge anyway.

Nastase
05-13-2005, 10:18 PM
Nadal for sure, RG shots are much more spectacular, specially his backhand,(just amazing!) but he doesn't have the kind of aggressiveness and self-confidence that makes Rafa a number one.

Tennis Fool
05-13-2005, 10:20 PM
Trivia for those who don't know: Gasquet already has a Slam title...

allanah
05-13-2005, 10:24 PM
Trivia for those who don't know: Gasquet already has a Slam title...

He does? In doubles? The French?

Full of questions, me.

Tennis Fool
05-13-2005, 10:34 PM
Allanah: 2004 FO Mixed Doubles Champion with Tatiana Golovin:

http://2004.rolandgarros.com/images/pics/large/b_h0604_golovin_gasquet.jpg

http://medias.francetv.fr/bibl/url_images/2004/06/04/image_2371966_144_108.jpg

tashanv
05-14-2005, 12:43 AM
Heres The Thing If Your From France Your Going To Love Richard.If Your From Spain Your Going To Love Rafael.And If Your Not From Spain Or France Then It Depends On If You Like The French Players Or The Spain Players. I Am From Russia And I Love The Players From France And I Love The Players From Spain.So For Me I Think It Would Be Hard If I Had Seen Richard Play Tennis But I Havent So I Would Say Rafael.But Only Because I Have Not Seen Richard Play Tennis.But I Hope Soon I Will Get To See Richard Play!!

Scotso
05-14-2005, 04:23 AM
Nadal.

But I do like Gasquet a lot.

Billy Moonshine
05-14-2005, 04:28 AM
I like both but I prefer gasquet. Guess its because he's yet to breakthrough and people were writing him off and now he's having a good run. I like his game too, I find nadal, though a superb player, a little predictable. You know he is going to be consistent and find the lines, but with Gasq, well, you never know! And when he's on, he just fires off the most sublime winners. i think he even has a little morer spark than Nadal. Kind of the way I feel about prefering Safin over Fed.

Mimi
05-14-2005, 04:58 AM
Nadal :inlove: :woohoo: :dance: :yippee: possessing my favourite baby face :baby: :baby: and also with great skills, determination and charms, a warrior on court and a shy and good boy off court , not arrogant of his great achievements at this young age :bowdown: :yeah:

gasquet also has great skills but he lacks the charms of nadal :p

NYCtennisfan
05-14-2005, 06:16 AM
Richard has a beautiful game and I like shot-making. Nadal will battle you until the end but he doesn't create art out on the court. I like them both but prefer Richard.

Chloe le Bopper
05-14-2005, 08:19 AM
Trivia for those who don't know: Gasquet already has a Slam title...
Yeah, so does Justin Gimelstob. Good for both of them.

Chloe le Bopper
05-14-2005, 08:20 AM
actually when i was in miami the guy next to me took one look at nadal and said hes arrogant and rude, i dont want him to win :tape:
Bicep envy.

Chloe le Bopper
05-14-2005, 08:21 AM
I think Nadal is better, he'll be a big champion, I dunno if Richard will have the mental for that.
I think too Richard is more talented naturally and I prefer his game, he's very specatular and his backhand is just amazing ! So beautiful !!
But he lacks so many things: physic, mental, fighting spirit...
Eh.. don't give up on him. People used to say the same thing about Fed.