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Is Nadal your RG favorit now?

pinky
04-18-2005, 03:14 PM
Not talking about personal preference or anything, just straight facts...

Nadal seems to have the edge for RG, in front of Coria then Fed. Maybe Nadal has peaked too early and Coria will come stronger as the open approaches...

I don't think Gaudio (needs a lot of luck), Ferrero (will be too short physically i think) or Gasquet (he is french and the stupid french media and crowd will put too much pressure on him, like they did for all french potential winners in the last 20 years) have a chance of winning it...

Auscon
04-18-2005, 03:26 PM
I still think Coria has the edge for RG

I dont doubt Nadal's ability to beat anyone on the surface, but a GS, and especially RG, takes alot out of a player.....it'll take every ounce of strength he has, and at 18 he's surely not at his physical peak as an athlete

alexito
04-18-2005, 03:36 PM
yessssssss, nadal is favorite RG, no now, the last years nadal is the great players def layers how federer, roddick.

Julio1974
04-18-2005, 03:36 PM
Nadal was my fav. for RG before Montecarlo. Obviously, he is still my fav. However, Coria was the fav. last year and he lost. Tennis is a game full of surprises.


I still hope that Corial will win!!!!!

sigmagirl91
04-18-2005, 03:54 PM
He can be considered a favorite going in, and that would also depend on his other clay results from this point on.

Rezandinah
04-18-2005, 03:59 PM
Of course Nadal is the favorite number one for RG ;)
I really don't know who could beat him... Even Coria didn't success despite a good level during the two last sets.

PaulieM
04-18-2005, 04:08 PM
no not yet. mostly just because he hasn't played there yet, and i wonder how he'd handle the pressure now especially since so many people are talking about him being one of the favorites.

Rezandinah
04-18-2005, 04:11 PM
i wonder how he'd handle the pressure now especially since so many people are talking about him being one of the favorites.

That's a good point.

Skyward
04-18-2005, 04:21 PM
Of course Nadal is the favorite number one for RG ;)
I really don't know who could beat him... .

Probably, Safin can beat him if he decides to wear his head on that day.

Rezandinah
04-18-2005, 04:26 PM
Probably, Safin can beat him if he decides to wear his head on that day.

Yes. Safin can beat anyone on any surface if he's in a good mood.
Unfortunately it doesn't often happen... :sad:

Experimentee
04-18-2005, 04:34 PM
He isnt the favourite. He still needs to prove that he is physically capable of winning 7 best of 5 set matches in a row. Monte Carlo did not show that, he did not even have enough energy to give it his all in every set. He struggled with fitness in the best of 5 sets final in Miami too. If he is like that when he only had to play best of 3 sets, I cant see him lasting the distance at RG.

Action Jackson
04-18-2005, 04:36 PM
Man I am going to have to buy extra carriages for all the people that want to hop on the Nadal bandwagon.

tangerine_dream
04-18-2005, 04:40 PM
Can someone explain to me why so many seem to think that Roger is a favorite going into RG? I know he's won some clay titles, beating "real" claycourters, but still....a "favorite"? Too many people here actually name Roger a favorite before Coria! I don't get it. :confused:

Skyward
04-18-2005, 04:44 PM
Just because 5 years ago american commentators called Roger a "clay court specialist". :lol:

Exodus
04-18-2005, 04:46 PM
he is one of the fav. that's for sure but I think Fed is still the man to beat

Rezandinah
04-18-2005, 04:48 PM
Man I am going to have to buy extra carriages for all the people that want to hop on the Nadal bandwagon.

Because you lead the train ? ;)

Action Jackson
04-18-2005, 04:51 PM
Because you lead the train ? ;)

I saw him as a 16 yr old beat Costa. I am not one of these people who has just seen him now and think he is all that or think he is overrated. :)

TheMightyFed
04-18-2005, 04:54 PM
I think Roland Garros is the most open Grand Slam:
-Nadal is on fire on clay and in general
-Safin can win it (taste foe big events, appreciated surface)
-Coria/Gaudio/Ferrero are ready to show their skills
-Federer has a shot if he manages to shorten the points IMO
-Gasquet could do a great run in the French Slam
plus usual surprises in Roland Garros (I didn't even mention Hewitt, Kuerten etc.)...
What other slam offers us such incertainty ?
Nadal is still among other favourites in this slam... ;)

misyou25
04-18-2005, 05:03 PM
no......andreev and ferrero, pimpim maybe

Rezandinah
04-18-2005, 05:05 PM
I saw him as a 16 yr old beat Costa. I am not one of these people who has just seen him now and think he is all that or think he is overrated. :)

Ok, I saw him beating Moya 2 years ago, and that was amazing too :worship:
But I must admit that it is the first year that I see him as a potential winner of Roland Garros ;)

rue
04-18-2005, 05:58 PM
He is favorite even though he does not think of himself as being favorite. What a good way to take some pressure off yourself.

Rex
04-18-2005, 06:23 PM
he always has been my fav for it this year- but you never know what will happen, i mean gasquet was playing well, and federer might have had a bad day against him.

All the different options you could have, nadal is a fav for rg- but that is not based on his tourny win.

Raquel
04-18-2005, 06:37 PM
It depends on what happens in Rome but right now Nadal is the favourite. He's won 3 clay court events this year and beat both last years RG finalists in Monte Carlo. Nadal is the favourite and I think Coria and Federer will like that.

willie
04-18-2005, 06:54 PM
no, after watching this tournament i think more than ever that coria is the favourite becuase without playing his best tennis he almost defeat nadal that is the player of the moment.

Skyward
04-18-2005, 06:59 PM
no, after watching this tournament i think more than ever that coria is the favourite becuase without playing his best tennis he almost defeat nadal that is the player of the moment.

Almost defeated? :confused: I don't think so.

thelma
04-18-2005, 07:16 PM
I need to see the draw before, but... hell need to demonstrate his yield in five-setters :)

Action Jackson
04-18-2005, 07:18 PM
Fair point and he does need to improve his overall fitness, and Roland Garros is a place a players fitness gets really tested.

Denaon
04-18-2005, 07:23 PM
GS are full of surprises... nah, he's as favourite as all faves here, I may include Puerta among them ;) :banana:

foul_dwimmerlaik
04-18-2005, 07:24 PM
Don't think so, not yet. He'll do a lot of damage and knock off a couple of favourites, but to actually win it? Doubtful, for the reasons already stated in other threads - he'll be playing it the first time ever, his stamina in 5-set matches is suspect. The others top contenders on clay (Coria and Ferrero) are yet to regain their best form. And that guy Federer is still in the conversation.

Of course, anything can happen, but I think Rafa will have to wait a year at least for his first RG title.

ys
04-18-2005, 07:44 PM
No. The biggest favourites have only started their clay preparations and will peak by RG time. Current results are only relevant to rank the claycourt specialists. But between them assessing RG chances are a crapshot anyway as Costa and Gaudio winning it proved. Ues, Nadal and Coria are favourites among claycourt specialists. Whether Federer, Safin, Nalbandian and Hewitt can peak by RG time remains to be seen.

Puschkin
04-18-2005, 07:46 PM
It is difficult not to consider him for RG, but THE favourite? I somehow feel he overstretches himself, he played Valencia, he plays Barcelona this week. The results seem to justify his decisions, but he might peak too early.

makro120
04-18-2005, 07:52 PM
Can someone explain to me why so many seem to think that Roger is a favorite going into RG? I know he's won some clay titles, beating "real" claycourters, but still....a "favorite"? Too many people here actually name Roger a favorite before Coria! I don't get it. :confused:

Sure.

This is why I think Federer is the favorite:

-Because of his winning mentality
-Because he will be more focused than ever on RG, he wants revenge for AO and wants to proof something he didn't do last year.
-Because he has 1 month to improve his game on clay, he has only played for 1 week on clay and already seems to be quite good, imagine him 1 month from now. Most clay court specialists has trained for 3 months this year on clay.
-Because he has constantly proofed himself to be a fighter even in the 2 matches he lost this year.
-Because he has beaten Coria, Ferrero, Moya, Safin, GAudio and other of the elite clay court players (ok, Safin is no elite clay court player, but dangerous) on clay and none of them has beaten him on clay. The greatest clay court players who have beaten him are all old and far from their top (except Gasquet).
-He has won 2 TMC titles on clay and has been to 1 final in Rome, not much worse than other great clay court players like Ferrero, Coria and Moya.
-The argument against him is that he has constantly failed in RG, but 1 year and a half ago he had better facit on RG than AO and Usopen, that was the argument people used against Fed's chanses to win hard court grand slams. Now they use the same argument against Federer's chanses to win RG.
-Federer has the game to play great on clay, he is no Sampras. His serve isn't that important, he is great both playing defense and offensive tennis from the baseline, his talent gives him many alternatives for how to play on clay.

Chloe le Bopper
04-18-2005, 07:59 PM
ys - Hewitt?! Surely you jest.

Nadal is not my favourite to win RG, no. I'd feel more comfortable going on Coria.

Action Jackson
04-18-2005, 08:01 PM
Chloe, if Nadal wins RG are you going to check the credentials of the bandwagon jumpers?

sigmagirl91
04-18-2005, 08:02 PM
Chloe, if Nadal wins RG are you going to check the credentials of the bandwagon jumpers?

She should-with all diligence, I should say....

intikab
04-18-2005, 08:11 PM
Right now he probably is the top fave for RG just ahead of Coria and Federer. Below them would be Ferrero, Gaudio and Safin. Andreev and Ferrer, the dark horses.

Chloe le Bopper
04-18-2005, 08:11 PM
Chloe, if Nadal wins RG are you going to check the credentials of the bandwagon jumpers?
Maybe I'll make them badges and join in with "Nadal will win Wimbledon" ;)

Action Jackson
04-18-2005, 08:12 PM
Maybe I'll make them badges and join in with "Nadal will win Wimbledon" ;)

He'll beat Oscar in the 2006 final.

Billy Moonshine
04-18-2005, 08:12 PM
No, for me Gaudio is still fave because hes defending champ, hes got a couple of clay titles this year. Sure, he got whipped by Nadal but Nadal will wear himself out I reckon and the hyp could get to his nerves, while gaudio will be consistent and then use all his experience for the big 5 setters at RG.
Nadal would be my fifth fave after Gaudio, Coria, Safin, and Federer.

makro120
04-18-2005, 08:14 PM
My faves would be listed:

1.Federer
2.Nadal
3.Gaudio
4.Coria
5.Ferrero

Action Jackson
04-18-2005, 08:16 PM
Gaudio isn't a favourite at all. He was a fluke champion and that's the bottom line.

KCVH
04-18-2005, 08:17 PM
Don't think he'll be the red hot fav. to win. Would consider him among the outsiders to win RG.

ys
04-18-2005, 08:20 PM
ys - Hewitt?! Surely you jest.

Don't be that narrow-minded, Becca.. I like Hewitt no more than you do.. I know it is not politically correct to even consider him as a threat on clay.. still.. Last year he reached semis at Hamburg, finals at Dusseldorf and quarters at RG. And since then he improved very much. Since last summer he reached the finals of pretty much every single outdoor tournament that he played. Up to this year he didn't do anything at AO too. What he did in Australia suggests that his ability on slower surfaces did improve. I would not rule out him doing very well in Paris.

makro120
04-18-2005, 08:20 PM
I also thought Gaudio was a fluke winner, but fact is that he has done great results on clay since RG and loosing to Nadal (or even beeing crushed by Nadal) is not a shame at all. More impressive is the fact that he beat NAdal on clay this year, I think Gaudio is a player who has grown since RG.

Action Jackson
04-18-2005, 08:21 PM
I also thought Gaudio was a fluke winner, but fact is that he has done great results on clay since RG and loosing to Nadal (or even beeing crushed by Nadal) is not a shame at all. More impressive is the fact that he beat NAdal on clay this year, I think Gaudio is a player who has grown since RG.

Yeah yeah.

joske
04-18-2005, 08:22 PM
nope.. he played awesome in Monte Carlo but I don't think he's got MORe chance to win RG now.. a slam is still a lot different from a "normal" tourney and a lot can happen even if it isn't that long until RG

owyn
04-18-2005, 08:23 PM
i still says it's coria as favorite! turtle is great and has a good future but i think it may be alittle bit to early for him!

makro120
04-18-2005, 08:24 PM
I think Gaudio has more chanse to beat Nadal than Coria, who I feel has no weapons against Nadal at all. Anyway, I think Gaudio would be destroyed if he faced Coria in RG or any other clay event.

foul_dwimmerlaik
04-18-2005, 09:18 PM
Gaudio isn't a favourite at all. He was a fluke champion and that's the bottom line.
Why do you bait the poor souls like that?

Action Jackson
04-18-2005, 09:20 PM
Why do you bait the poor souls like that?

No baiting at all, it has to be known and spread around to as many people as possible.

Melvins
04-18-2005, 09:39 PM
Nadal is in favourite players group. I think the RG champion will be Nadal or Coria, but you couldn't Ferrero (comeback) and Federer (i don't think so, but...).

joske
04-18-2005, 09:39 PM
for once I agree with Hitler here I didn't think Gaudio's way to that final was all THAT amazing :o

boliviana
04-18-2005, 09:43 PM
the problem with Nadal and the french is his endurance . . . playing best out of five for the entire tournament is a very different scenario than a masters series. Even he said he got tired yesterday. So I would go with someone with more experience who understands how you pace yourself etc. Also he will be under a lot of pressure . . . he may not respond well to it. Should be an interesting 6 weeks!!

foul_dwimmerlaik
04-18-2005, 10:03 PM
No baiting at all, it has to be known and spread around to as many people as possible.
Well, good luck to you then, at least with makro it seems to be working. ;)

Action Jackson
04-18-2005, 10:09 PM
Well, good luck to you then, at least with makro it seems to be working. ;)

Thanks foul and I wonder if I can do with the cramping one as well. :)

Deivid23
04-18-2005, 10:13 PM
A couple of months ago Nadal was an overrated kid, a crap hc player who only could win mickey mouse tourneys and of course he was not a rival for Coria and Gaudio.... Now hes due for a win in a tourney he has never played in.. :shrug:

Action Jackson
04-18-2005, 10:17 PM
A couple of months ago Nadal was an overrated kid, a crap hc player who only could win mickey mouse tourneys and of course he was not a rival for Coria and Gaudio.... Now hes due for a win in a tourney he has never played in.. :shrug:

Bandwagons man, they are dangerous.

euroka1
04-18-2005, 10:23 PM
Bandwagons man, they are dangerous.

Yes, I agree, but one can't help but be impressed by those last two finals. It was spectacular spectator tennis.

Action Jackson
04-18-2005, 10:26 PM
Yes, I agree, but one can't help but be impressed by those last two finals. It was spectacular spectator tennis.

The thing that irritates me is that he hasn't been under a cave all this time and a pro since 16, but what Deivid said makes sense.

Fortunately I saw him at 16 and made up my own mind, but as for winning RG, there have only been 2 and only 1 I remember doing it at their first attempt.

Raquel
04-18-2005, 11:50 PM
A couple of months ago Nadal was an overrated kid, a crap hc player who only could win mickey mouse tourneys and of course he was not a rival for Coria and Gaudio.... Now hes due for a win in a tourney he has never played in.. :shrug:
I understand what you're saying but surely you can see why people are thinking that he can win it. He's number 2 in the Race with and has the most clay court wins this season. He took the French Open champion apart and beat a healthy Coria reasonably comfortably. Therefore if he is not favourite he must be at least joint favourite.

Bilbo
04-19-2005, 12:14 AM
Coria is my favorite especially after the Monte-Carlo final.

Coria played not good and can do much better yet he was close to brought Nadal into a 5th set where would have no gas left in his tank as he said himself after the match.

Deivid23
04-19-2005, 12:16 AM
Coria played not good and can do much better yet he was close to brought Nadal into a 5th set where would have no gas left in his tank as he said himself after the match.

I took exactly the opposite conclusion ;)

Bilbo
04-19-2005, 12:21 AM
When Coria is at his best like he was last year I don't see Nadal beating him. Nadal may have a better looking body what makes people think he's more fit than Coria but in reality he isn't. Coria has more so called natural spirit and can go the distance more often. Nadal's getting too tired with his style of game.

Gaudio right now is crap and Federer getting beaten by a kid named Gasquet makes Coria as the ultimate favorite for me.

Deivid23
04-19-2005, 12:26 AM
When Coria is at his best like he was last year I don't see Nadal beating him. Nadal may have a better looking body what makes people think he's more fit than Coria but in reality he isn't. Coria has more so called natural spirit and can go the distance more often. Nadal's getting too tired with his style of game.

Gaudio right now is crap and Federer getting beaten by a kid named Gasquet makes Coria as the ultimate favorite for me.

The thing was that while Nadal was capable to play deep and heavy strokes in the first and 2nd set, he simply had too much for Coria. Guillermo found at the other side of the net another quick, smart and solid baseliner who also have much more firepower when needed.

Bilbo
04-19-2005, 12:31 AM
The thing was that while Nadal was capable to play deep and heavy strokes in the first and 2nd set, he simply had too much for Coria. Guillermo found at the other side of the net another quick, smart and solid baseliner who also have much more firepower when needed.

Coria brought a very good fact after the match. The light drizzle made the balls bigger and that was a huge advantage for Nadal. The main reason why Nadal won the first two sets so easily.

Besides that Coria was far away from his best and played his 1st final on clay since Roland Garros 2004. Nadal on the other side has played a lot more on clay.

I want Coria at his best under sunshine and Nadal with lots of pressure in a probably 5th setter and then we will talk.

Deivid23
04-19-2005, 12:38 AM
Coria brought a very good fact after the match. The light drizzle made the balls bigger and that was a huge advantage for Nadal. The main reason why Nadal won the first two sets so easily.

Besides that Coria was far away from his best and played his 1st final on clay since Roland Garros 2004. Nadal on the other side has played a lot more on clay.

I want Coria at his best under sunshine and Nadal with lots of pressure in a probably 5th setter and then we will talk.

Yes Coria likes a lot those excuses, Id better make an approach by myself than believeing him. If Im not wrong drizzle started when Nadal was serving at 5-3, so of course thats a bad justification.

With two players of that caliber everything can happen on a given day. I thought Nadal would win him this time and maybe I will think the opposite if they met in next tourneys but what I say is that I doubt it, Im quite optimistic concerning their next meeting.

You should also think about the fact of Nadal being more tired.

Bilbo
04-19-2005, 12:41 AM
It was no excuse. I know how it is when the ball and court is wet. This favoures a hard hitter like Nadal in all aspects. The reason why it took Coria so long to came into that match. I don't know what would have happened if he converted the breakpoint at 4-4 in the 4th set. For me this was a matchpoint for Coria and I don't think there's another player in the world who is able to beat Nadal after 2 sets down on clay.

Neely
04-19-2005, 12:45 AM
This favoures a hard hitter like Nadal in all aspects.
LOL, Nadal a hard-hitter? :confused:
Nadal is somebody who is hitting the ball with lots of spin rather than bashing plain shots. Nadal has lots of drive on his shots, but a hardhitter is somebody else to me...

Bilbo
04-19-2005, 12:48 AM
LOL, Nadal a hard-hitter? :confused:
Nadal is somebody who is hitting the ball with lots of spin rather than bashing plain shots. Nadal has lots of drive on his shots, but a hardhitter is somebody else to me...

so, who's hitting with more power? nadal or coria? who's more an offensive player? nadal or coria?

think about it, neely.

Golfnduck
04-19-2005, 12:49 AM
RAFA ALL THE WAY!!!!! :bounce: :worship:

Neely
04-19-2005, 12:51 AM
Nadal has more power, clear answer. But categorizing him as a hard-hitter is just... uh, way off... these are other players for me...

think about it, Bilbo ;)

Bilbo
04-19-2005, 12:53 AM
Nadal has more power, clear answer. But categorizing him as a hard-hitter is just... uh, way off... these are other players for me...

think about it, Bilbo ;)

a hard hitter is someone who has power. that's my declaration, i know most people think different but that's how i see it.

nadal-coria reminds me a bit of roddick-hewitt. both roddick and nadal play with a lot of power and try to dictate the match whil hewitt and coria play more defensive tennis and run like there's no tomorrow.

Deivid23
04-19-2005, 12:55 AM
nadal-coria reminds me a bit of roddick-hewitt. both roddick and nadal play with a lot of power and try to dictate the match whil hewitt and coria play more defensive tennis and run like there's no tomorrow.

That was a bad comparison mate.

bad gambler
04-19-2005, 12:57 AM
based on what i saw at AO this year when nadal played hewitt, I think to say nadal hits his shots with some heat is a fair assessment, especially that killer fh, hewitt was oblivious as to how to play it in the middle of that match and looked totally lost

Bilbo
04-19-2005, 01:01 AM
That was a bad comparison mate.

when you don't look at the surface it was a good comparison. offense vs defense. full power vs brain.

Deivid23
04-19-2005, 01:07 AM
when you don't look at the surface it was a good comparison. offense vs defense. full power vs brain.

lol . Its a bad comparison indeed. I know you dont like Nadal, but saying hes full power and no brain is really wrong, I didnt expect to read these words from you, honestly. Hes definitely more a defensive player but he has a weapon that Hewitt/Coria lack of, his fh. Hes also a smart player and a fast learner, I really cant see any particular resemblance of Roddick in his game. :shrug:

Bilbo
04-19-2005, 01:07 AM
based on what i saw at AO this year when nadal played hewitt, I think to say nadal hits his shots with some heat is a fair assessment, especially that killer fh, hewitt was oblivious as to how to play it in the middle of that match and looked totally lost

unlike his serve nadal is a hard-hitter for me. on hardcourt you can see that very good as you stated in your comment.

roddick, gonzalez, pimpim, enqvist, mirnyi, srichaphan and nadal. all hard-hitters for me with heavy groundstrokes.

you will also notice that hard-hitters most ofthe time are the ones who play with no brain unlike soft players like canas, coria, gaudio or robredo. i bet my ass those players have a higher IQ not even on court.

Bilbo
04-19-2005, 01:09 AM
I really cant see any particular resembling of Roddick in his game. :shrug:

both have a killer fh and are used to dictate the match with lots of winners.

i don't need to wear glasses to see these things. :shrug:

Deivid23
04-19-2005, 01:11 AM
both have a killer fh and are used to dictate the match with lots of winners.

i don't need to wear glasses to see these things. :shrug:

If you are comparing Roddick to Nadal , you definetely should wear them

Bilbo
04-19-2005, 01:22 AM
I think you got me wrong here, mate. All I said was Nadal-Coria matchup reminds me of Roddick-Hewitt just on different surface.

Both Nadal and Roddick like to heat up the crowd and pump themselves up. Both like to dictate the point and hit the forehand with lot of power. Same style of tennis they prefer.

It's like seeing Sacramento-Miami or Dallas-Detroit in the NBA.

Leo
04-19-2005, 01:23 AM
Shall we wait for more of the lead-up events to actually be played? Still too early to pick a favorite. Theoretically, Nadal could lose in the opening round of his next few tournaments leading into RG and Coria could win all of his. That'd wouldn't exactly qualify Nadal as clear favorite, although he's definitely in there as one of the contenders. There's still as ways to go on this path to Paris so let's wait before we start making the odds.

bad gambler
04-19-2005, 01:26 AM
lol Bilbo I don't understand that NBA analogy at all :lol:

Leo
04-19-2005, 01:29 AM
unlike his serve nadal is a hard-hitter for me. on hardcourt you can see that very good as you stated in your comment.

roddick, gonzalez, pimpim, enqvist, mirnyi, srichaphan and nadal. all hard-hitters for me with heavy groundstrokes.

you will also notice that hard-hitters most ofthe time are the ones who play with no brain unlike soft players like canas, coria, gaudio or robredo. i bet my ass those players have a higher IQ not even on court.

Are you seriously trying to group those players together? There's a variety of styles in that bunch. Enqvist - flat groundies, Mirnyi - net rusher, Nadal - massive topspin, Gonzalez - huge preparations/swings on both sides with little margin for error, etc. Some similar elements but they can't all be classified as "hard-hitters with heavy groundstrokes."

Not sure what Robredo does on the court that is so ingenious and full of IQ in comparison to some of these other guys. And I am a Robredo fan.

Fedex
04-19-2005, 01:56 AM
Don't be that narrow-minded, Becca.. I like Hewitt no more than you do.. I know it is not politically correct to even consider him as a threat on clay.. still.. Last year he reached semis at Hamburg, finals at Dusseldorf and quarters at RG. And since then he improved very much. Since last summer he reached the finals of pretty much every single outdoor tournament that he played. Up to this year he didn't do anything at AO too. What he did in Australia suggests that his ability on slower surfaces did improve. I would not rule out him doing very well in Paris.
The fact that the movement on clay is so much different then of a slow hardcourt, comparisons between the two cannot be made. No, I dont expect Hewitt to do very well at RG at all. Prior to last year Hewitt's RG results were quite poor, and he got as far as he did last year, in part, to a soft draw.

Fedex
04-19-2005, 02:00 AM
lol Bilbo I don't understand that NBA analogy at all :lol:
Neither do I.

JeNn
04-19-2005, 02:00 AM
The fact that the movement on clay is so much different then of a slow hardcourt, comparisons between the two cannot be made. No, I dont expect Hewitt to do very well at RG at all. Prior to last year Hewitt's RG results were quite poor, and he got as far as he did last year, in part, to a soft draw.


Actually Hewitt has always been rather consistent at RG - quarters in '01 losign to Ferrero, and quarters last year to Gaudio, 4th round in '02 to Costa who won the whole thing, 4th round in '00 and third round in '03 was he was in a slump and he should have beat Robredo anyway. His record at RG was actually better than his AO record before the year.

A quarter or semi would not suprise me. A win would.

makro120
04-19-2005, 02:01 AM
Nadal is a defensive player who doesn't hit many winners, don't get why anyone would compare him with Roddick. Ferrero, Gaudio and Moya are more offensive than NAdal, Kuerten is the most offensive clay specialist. Nadal would be considered as one in the defensive group with Coria, Canas and the others. Only differense is that Nadal has one hell of a tricky forehand. Not that hard, but with loads of top spin. Nadal doesn't have much power in any of his shots and has one of the weakest serves in the atptour.

So now Nadal is both a dirtballer and a hardhitter?

Deivid23
04-19-2005, 02:04 AM
Only differense is that Nadal has one hell of a tricky forehand. Not that hard, but with loads of top spin. Nadal doesn't have much power in any of his shots and has one of the weakest serves in the atptour.


Nadal can hit terribly hard his forehand, and his serve has improved enough to leave it out from that assumption.

Fedex
04-19-2005, 02:05 AM
a hard hitter is someone who has power. that's my declaration, i know most people think different but that's how i see it.

nadal-coria reminds me a bit of roddick-hewitt. both roddick and nadal play with a lot of power and try to dictate the match whil hewitt and coria play more defensive tennis and run like there's no tomorrow.
That's not a very good analogy at all. Nadal is a true master of spins, particularly with his forehand, so comparing him to Roddick, who does nothing of the sort is just :confused:. I see the comparisons with Hewitt and Coria, but Coria can play more offensive minded tennis than Hewitt, and he has an excellent drop shot.

Fedex
04-19-2005, 02:07 AM
A quarter or semi would not suprise me.
Like I said, he will need a soft draw for that to happen.

makro120
04-19-2005, 02:09 AM
Nadal can hit terribly hard his forehand, and his serve has improved enough to leave it out from that assumption.

I know, but I think the spin is his greatest strength. Roddick's game is all about hitting the ball hard while Nadal's game is about having a strategy, fighting for every point and playing all these ery tricky shots he has, mainly on the weak point of his opponent. Roddick and Nadal isn't far from beeing the opposite from each other, but I agree Nadal can sometimes hit his forehand almost as hard as Roddick.

His serve on the other hand is still weak but no longer the weakest in my opinion.

Fedex
04-19-2005, 02:10 AM
Nadal can hit terribly hard his forehand, and his serve has improved enough to leave it out from that assumption.
Nadal never hits 'terribly hard' with his forehand, but he does hit it with tremendous spin and angle, making it a lethal shot.

Deivid23
04-19-2005, 02:15 AM
Nadal never hits 'terribly hard' with his forehand, but he does hit it with tremendous spin and angle, making it a lethal shot.

Its not usual and its probable youve never seen him doing it, but I can swear I have seen the kid hit killer flat fh as well. I guess its the advantage of knowing him since a lot of time ago. ;)

Fedex
04-19-2005, 02:16 AM
Its not usual and its probable youve never seen him doing it, but I can swear I have seen the kid hit killer flat fh as well. I guess its the advantage of knowing him since a lot of time ago. ;)
I know that Nadal can and will hit the flat ball on occasion, but his shots are usually deep, and played with alot of topspin.

TennisLurker
04-19-2005, 02:23 AM
you will also notice that hard-hitters most ofthe time are the ones who play with no brain unlike soft players like canas, coria, gaudio or robredo. i bet my ass those players have a higher IQ not even on court.


:haha:


I heart Bilbo and I hope all his predictions come true

Action Jackson
04-19-2005, 09:58 AM
Its not usual and its probable youve never seen him doing it, but I can swear I have seen the kid hit killer flat fh as well. I guess its the advantage of knowing him since a lot of time ago. ;)

Sometimes it's better to keep things to yourself, but Nadal can hit the ball quite hard when he needs to and he surely hits enough winners with his forehand, but don't forget he is just an overrated claycourt clown.

JeLuliA88
04-19-2005, 11:57 AM
Needs to improve his fitness if he's to win RG... he's one of the real contenders, but i still think coria may gave the edge, simply b/c he has more experience and physically fitter. But then again, there's always the odd surprises in the majors.

hablovah19
04-19-2005, 12:14 PM
nope. JCF or Safin or even fedex and Moya and Robredo (ok, I'll stop now ;) !! :p

foul_dwimmerlaik
04-19-2005, 12:40 PM
Thanks foul and I wonder if I can do with the cramping one as well. :)
The cramping one hasn't won it yet, but if and when he does, you can start your tune right away. That time you might even be serious. ;)

Action Jackson
04-19-2005, 12:41 PM
The cramping one hasn't won it yet, but if and when he does, you can start your tune right away. That time you might even be serious. ;)

Once I can convince the Medical Board that cramps is an injury then it just gets better and I am always serious.

SuperFurryAnimal
04-19-2005, 12:57 PM
Rafa is certainly one of the favorites... But he's not the only one who could win RG.

pinky
04-20-2005, 05:16 PM
The thing that irritates me is that he hasn't been under a cave all this time and a pro since 16, but what Deivid said makes sense.

Fortunately I saw him at 16 and made up my own mind, but as for winning RG, there have only been 2 and only 1 I remember doing it at their first attempt.

And I saw him at -9 monthes, he was so impressive winning that "race" already !!! ;)
Am i a bandwagon jumper then? :)

That being said, there are interesting new talents coming out every year but it is a real lottery to tell who will shine on the tour and who won't...

Devotee
04-21-2005, 02:51 AM
If everyone, especially his fans in Spain, continually talk about Nadal as a favorite for RG (which is what I expect), the pressure on Nadal will keep building,the spotlight will be on him, the press will badger him.
The deeper he goes into Rome & Hamburg, the higher the expectations will get and of course the more tired Nadal will become.
By the time RG arrives, all of this may take its toll, and as a result prevent Nadal even getting to the quarters or semis. Things might be different if he "came out of nowhere" like Kuerten to win his 1st. RG.

Action Jackson
04-21-2005, 03:53 AM
And I saw him at -9 monthes, he was so impressive winning that "race" already !!! ;)
Am i a bandwagon jumper then? :)

That being said, there are interesting new talents coming out every year but it is a real lottery to tell who will shine on the tour and who won't...

It's even easier to jump on a bandwagon when a player is doing well.

Chloe le Bopper
04-21-2005, 04:08 AM
Don't be that narrow-minded, Becca.. I like Hewitt no more than you do.. I know it is not politically correct to even consider him as a threat on clay.. still.. Last year he reached semis at Hamburg, finals at Dusseldorf and quarters at RG. And since then he improved very much. Since last summer he reached the finals of pretty much every single outdoor tournament that he played. Up to this year he didn't do anything at AO too. What he did in Australia suggests that his ability on slower surfaces did improve. I would not rule out him doing very well in Paris.
I expect Hewitt to do well. In fact, unless he gets an ugly draw, I expect to see him at least in the 4th round. It will take a solid claycourt player to knock him out, I believe. I just don't consider him a contender to win. That's all.

Vaccine
05-13-2009, 12:26 PM
bump :P

finishingmove
05-13-2009, 12:29 PM
perhaps.

ossie
05-13-2009, 01:07 PM
all his opponents are praying for death so yea hes the favourite

Black Adam
05-13-2009, 01:09 PM
GS are full of surprises... nah, he's as favourite as all faves here, I may include Puerta among them ;) :banana:
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