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Rock-music talk - and all the others ;)

Dissident
11-19-2002, 11:33 PM
Come here to talk about the old and good rock-n-roll and all its variations. ;)

I was thinking we would have to make this forum more interesting, as we will have a couple of months before the action comes back in tennis. So, cmon, join me. :bounce:

Layla
11-19-2002, 11:51 PM
I'm here! :wavey:

Can we talk about new rock as well? :p Ooops, I just noticed you said in all its variations. :o My bad. ;)

Anyway, I'll join you tomorrow, I'm too tired right now.


My my, hey hey
Rock and roll is here to stay
It's better to burn out
Than to fade away
My my, hey hey.

It's out of the blue and into the black
They give you this but you pay for that
And once you're gone you can never come back
When you're out of the blue
And into the black

The king is gone but he's not forgotten
This is the story of a Johnny Rotten
It's better to burn out than it is to rust
The king is gone but he's not forgotten

Hey hey, my my
Rock and roll can never die
There's more to the picture
Than meets the eye.
Hey hey, my my.

Out of the blue and into the black
You pay for this, but they give you that
And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black.

The king is gone but he's not forgotten
Is this the story of Johnny Rotten?
It's better to burn out 'cause rust never sleeps
The king is gone but he's not forgotten.

Hey hey, my my
Rock and roll can never die
There's more to the picture
Than meets the eye.

Dissident
11-19-2002, 11:56 PM
As an avid fan of Pearl Jam, I just bought their new album last week. Riot Act is very very good. Their best new album since probably No Code, or maybe even Vitalogy.
I decided it was worth some review. :)

Ill talk briefly about each of the songs in the album

CANT KEEP - words and music by vedder
Good rocking song, very Pearl Jam-like. Different sounds, harsh lyrics, powerful performances. Smooth drums beat makes the start especially interesting.
"I wanna shake, I wanna wind out, I wanna leave, (this) mind and shout..."

SAVE YOU - words by vedder, music by all the crew
By far the best song of the album. The best song they come up with since Betterman or Nothingman on Vitalogy.
Energetic beat, makes you wanna shout along with them. :p The lyrics are also very good, and fit the sound perfectly. Special mention to Ament´s bass on this one. Fabulous.
"And fuck me if I say something you dont wanna hear fuck me
And fuck me if you only hear what you wanna hear
Fuck me if I care,... but im not leaving here."

LOVE BOAT CAPTAIN - words by Vedder, music by Vedder and Gaspar
Slower song, very beautiful lyrics, and a smart mention to the Beatles "All you need is love". It gets you thinking all song along. Interesting mix between very slow parts and rocking bits here and there.
"is this just another phase? earthquakes making waves
trying to shake the cancer off? stupid human beings
once you hold the hand of love.... its all surmountable"

CROPDUSTER - words by Vedder, music by Cameron
It looks like as Cameron came up with the music, he made it a good one for his drums, and they are indeed. ;)
The lyrics are not as good, but the sound is and its even kinda sticky. :p
"light green to green, dark green, brown
every life is falling down
brown to black, its coming back
dies to be a part of the ground
seed to seedling, root to stem"

GHOST - words by ament and vedder, music by ament.
Good song to enjoy some wicked guitars. Gossard, McCready and Vedder kick ass on that department. The lyrics are also not brilliant.

I AM MINE - words and music by vedder
Work song, the videoclip is on mtv. As always, I dont think the first single is the best song of the disc, but oh well, it comes at a second place, I guess. The lyrics are VERY good, and the sound is great on the chorus.
"The north is to south what the clock is to time
theres east and theres west and theres everywhere life
i know I was born and I know that Ill die
the in between is mine
i am mine"

Dissident
11-19-2002, 11:58 PM
lol, Layla. I just changed the title. I meant it to be all types of rock. Now I made it all kind of music. :p
Whatever makes this interesting. hehe :bounce:

Dissident
11-19-2002, 11:59 PM
I will post the rest of the album review tomorrow. Im too tired now. ;)

Chloe le Bopper
11-20-2002, 12:35 AM
Oh look- it's the Juan Carlos forum thread in Non Tennis now ;)

TennisHack
11-20-2002, 01:31 AM
:wavey: Hey, people!

LOL, I guess it's better when others are around ;)

And LMAO at Becca--maybe it's WE who will take over the board :D

TennisHack
11-20-2002, 01:37 AM
Originally posted by hitman
lol, Layla. I just changed the title. I meant it to be all types of rock. Now I made it all kind of music. :p
Whatever makes this interesting. hehe :bounce:

What about if you call it "Recommend Music for TH?" Then it really would be the Juanqui/Rogi forum rewarmed! :D

Just kidding, of course. ;) Everyone is welcome!

TheGuy
11-20-2002, 04:49 AM
I got some of my own music, but I must warn you, i'm a shredoholic

Check it out! www.geocities.com/clevelan7/

Chloe le Bopper
11-20-2002, 05:25 AM
We need a thread in GM now ;) ;)

How about the "General Messages Ferrero Thread" - nah, it's been done ;)

Mrs. B
11-20-2002, 11:07 AM
:wavey:

I love Stevie Ray Vaughan too, so here's something he sung from the album The Sky is Crying:

Life By The Drop
-branmhall/logan-

Hello there, my old friend
Not so long ago it was 'til the end
We played out in th' pouring rain
On our way up the road we started over again

You're livin' our dream, wo you on top
My mind is achin', Lord it won't stop
That's how it happens livin' life by th' drop

Up and down that road in our worn out shoes
Talkin' 'bout good thangs, singin' th' blues
You went your way, I stayed behind
We both knew it was just a matter of time

You're livin' our dream, wo you on top
My mind is achin', Lord it won't stop
That's how it happens livin' life by th' drop

No wasted time, we're alive today
Churnin' it up th' past, there's no easier way
Time's been between us, a means to an end
God it's good to be here walkin' together my friend

We're livin' our dreams
My mind's stopped achin'
That's how it happens livin' life by th' drop

ILR
11-20-2002, 03:57 PM
Hi I guess Id better post then ;) :wavey:

Layla,please talk about new rock :D

Dissident
11-20-2002, 09:27 PM
Ok, Ill finish what I started yesterday. ;)

Riot Act review part two

THUMBING MY WAY - words and music by vedder
The "mellowest" of the album´s songs, it has got probably the best of the lyrics. The soft and smooth sound makes a good package for the words.
"no matter how cold the winter, theres a springtime ahead.
thumbing my way back to heaven,...
wish that I could hold you,... wish that I had,...
thinking bout heaven,...."

YOU ARE - words by cameron and vedder, music by cameron
Matt plays some wicked distorted guitar all along, making the sound interesting and different. VERY different. The kind of music some people love and some people hate. ;)
"love is a tower
and youre the key
leading me higher
when you let me in"

WANTED TO GET RIGHT - words and music by cameron
Strong drums beat, especially during the chorus, a bit of punk guitar here and there, another song not exactly Pear-Jam-like. But its not at all bad.

GREEN DISEASE - words and music by vedder
The typical song you would say one wrote when was high. Its a trip, from start to end. :p The sound is really good.
"tell the captain
'this boats not safe,
and we´re drowning.'
turns out
he´s the one making waves"

HELP HELP - words and music by ament
Hmm, this would be the only song I cant say I liked. Its not better than regular. Very dark, very emotional, strong lyrics, the sound is very harsh and depressive.
"resevoir,... of fate and fear,...
invisible,... in repair,...
a hundred thieves,... cast a spell,...
this is hell."

BUSHLEAGUER - words by vedder and gossard, music by gossard
Stone made the song, and the start is a great guitar solo. Vedder keeps it going with a "talkative" lead sing. His voice works perfectly well for it. Excelent song.
"a confidence man, but why so beleaguered?
hes not a leader, hes a texas leaguer.
swinging from the fence. got lucky with a stryke.
drilling for fear. makes the job simple.
born on third. thinks he got a triple."

1/2 FULL - words by vedder, music by ament.
Theres a clear inspiration on blues here. Especially the guitar solo that opens the song. And, although they use a style that´s not theirs as an inspiration, the song doesnt sound fake. The lyrics are also great, and fit it very well.
"dont see some men as 1/2 empty
see them 1/2 full of shit
thinking that we´re all but slaves
there aint gonna be,..."

ARC
Instrumental song, Eddie just keeps on making sounds, and there are background voices. Its really weird, as it sounds like a kind of theme song for a movie like "The Dark and the Darkness". :p

ALL OR NONE - words by gossard and vedder, music by gossard
The song to close the album sounds a lot like a good-bye. The calm atmosphere of a jam session, soft words. There is a good guitar solo in between, but not loud. It keeps the calm and low sound.
"heres the selfless confession
leading me back to war
can we help that,... our destinations
are the ones we´ve been before"

This finishes my review. Im still looking for some more people´s opinions, since I thought the cd was fabulous, but Im a fan of them, and maybe Im biased. Feel free to add or correct something you dont agree with. Thanks :wavey:

TennisHack
11-20-2002, 09:38 PM
Originally posted by hitman
SAVE YOU - words by vedder, music by all the crew
By far the best song of the album. The best song they come up with since Betterman or Nothingman on Vitalogy.

:eek: Whoa, that's a tall order to fill.

I think you've convinced me to get this CD, LOL ;) Thanks for the lovely review, hitman.

I hope to add somethings to this thread later tonight, when I'm not so pressed for time.

Layla
11-20-2002, 10:01 PM
Thanks for the great review Hitman. :) I can't wait to hear the album. :bounce: I'll put it on my Christmas/Birthday list, but of course I can't wait till then. I'll probably pay another visit to Kazaa first. ;)

Does anyone at all care about a band called American Music Club? They don't exist anymore, but they took me by the storm when I first heard their album called Mercury (their best one). For a while, they were even my favorite band. But nobody seems to share my passion for them. :( Does anyone know them at all?

Here's an article from The Book of Rock:

It's one of those imponderables that music aficionados love to ponder: how come San Francisco's American Music Club could be acclaimed by the critical fraternity of the early 90s - leading light, the mercurial Mark Eitzel, was voted Rolling Stone's Songwriter of teh Year in 1991 - but be pretty much ignored by the buying public? Maybe they were just too much of an acquired taste. Eitzel's vidion of a lonely but resilient low life, down but never quite out for the count, was a stark mix of Nick Drake and Ian Curtis, laid over a country-cum-punk sound.

Dissident
11-20-2002, 10:13 PM
I dont know them, Layla.
Could you name a good song for me to try to find?
Thanks! :D

Dissident
11-20-2002, 10:13 PM
Oh, and thanks you two for the support. ;)
I guess this is the first time I write a music review in english. lol

Layla
11-20-2002, 11:40 PM
Hitman, try I've Been a Mess (kinda soppy ;) ), Hollywood 4-5-92, What Godzilla Said to God When His Name Wasn't Found in the Book of Life, Keep Me Around, If I Had a Hammer - all from Mercury

and Cape Canaveral, How Many Six Packs Does It Take To Screw in a Light - from San Francisco

In that order. Come to think of it, I rather doubt you'll like them. :(

TennisHack
11-20-2002, 11:59 PM
hitman, have you ever seen Pearl Jam in concert?

Dissident
11-21-2002, 12:08 AM
I dont think so, Hackie. Is it something on MTV?

TennisHack
11-21-2002, 12:09 AM
LOL, no silly. I mean live. Have you ever been to a live concert of theirs?

Dissident
11-21-2002, 12:10 AM
lol, oh no. :sad:
I dont think they came to Brazil. Or maybe they did, but something like 10 years ago or so. I was too young then. :p

TennisHack
11-21-2002, 12:13 AM
Really? I thought you would have found a way :)

Not a lot of bands came down my way, either. :(

Dissident
11-21-2002, 12:26 AM
Hmmm, Ill make it someday. ;)
I waited a huge bunch for Eric Clapton too, and he came, so, nothings impossible. hehe

TennisHack
11-21-2002, 01:09 AM
All right, you guys want new rock? How's this? Kent (http://www.kent.nu)

They are a Swedish rock band, and everyone I've introduced them to adores them :) They have released 4 albums, 2 in Swedish only and 2 in both Swedish and English.

Here (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00000AFYH/qid=1037840908/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/002-9457901-9303209) is the album I own, Isola, and you can download clips of the first 4 songs.

Granted, they aren't geniuses in the lyrics department, especially on their first English-language album, but the music is wonderful :)

Lyrics to follow from that album.

Here (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00004SD0C/ref=pd_bxgy_img_2/002-9457901-9303209?v=glance&s=music) is their latest album, available in both English & Swedish.

TennisHack
11-21-2002, 01:17 AM
BTW, if any of our Swedish posters know these guys, could you alert us to a better website? The English translation of the official one leaves something to be desired.

Anyway, on to lyrics:

1) LIFESAVERS -- the first time I heard this song, I thought of "Creep" by Radiohead.

I will save your life
When you're out and down
I will dim all the lights
To comfort your eyes
You would do the same
You would do it all for me
Anytime . . . .lifeline

You saved my life
When you tied me down
And if I cry
Tell me that I
Would do the same
If ever it were you
The next time . . . lifeline

2) IF YOU WERE HERE -- apparently their biggest radio hit in the States, a few years ago. Very upbeat and energetic song.

Sleep
I don't need to sleep
I hide my fist behind me
Dream
I don't sleep I dream
My conscience lays beside me

If you were here
If you were here
If I was there
If you were here
Today, this day

If you were here
If you were here
If I was there
If you were here
Today, this day

Speak
I don't need to speak
You're satisfied with silence
Scream
I won't speak I'll scream
My conscience walks behind me

Chorus

Sleep
And all my energy
I waste on dreams of silence

Chorus

TennisHack
11-21-2002, 01:27 AM
3) THINGS SHE SAID -- very mellow and dreamlike, with a killer bassline :D

Down under water I'm pale blue
Deep down the chlorine
Smells like you
Was it you that held too tight?
Was it me that was too weak?
I will leave you where you lay
While I slip and slide away

Behind my wristwatch
The skin is white
Behind my wristwatch
Where winter hides
Was it you that held too tight?
Was it me that was too weak?
I will leave you where you lay
While I slip and slide away

The little things that she says
What do they say to me
The little things that she says
What do they say to me
The little things that she says
What do they say to me
The little things that she does

4) UNPROFESSIONAL -- another soft and sweet song, until the bridge at the end when it gets heavy

Your lazy moves give you away
Staring at the lenses that record your day
So laugh your nervous laugh again
And I will listen in

We'll wire you up and take your pulse
Far away from any of the pain this dulls
I press my cheek against the glass
It's cool but it won't last

You know that it's one of a thousand ways
It's one of a thousand ways
It's one of a thousand ways
To see right through you, dear

Silence, Action Camera 2
We go climbing at the walls--for who?
Your lazy moves are laying low
We watch you come and go

Chorus

And now we fade out fast to the blackout
And we are heading for our ISOLA :D
And then we fade out fast to the blackout
We fade as fast as we fall
We fall

Chorus X 2

TennisHack
11-21-2002, 01:37 AM
5) OWC -- a song that begins with a dominant piano part and a pleading voice

I love that special smell
When the sun shines down
After the rain
I remember how I felt
When I closed the flies
When I saved smiles

I made my bed and packed my gear
I don't know what it's worth
But I'm still here
I'll shave my head and volunteer
Am I closer now?
What was that
I just couldn't hear . . .

6) CELSIUS -- the return of the heavy bass with some nice guitar layers, and great singing from the lead singer ;)

How far away is sleep now
In between the sheets it's cool
Hidden under blankets of plastic and cellaphane blue
The temperature is rising
And I will fake a fever, too
There are still so many things
I wouldn't do

I feel like I am naked
An emperer without his clothes
And still my hands are shaking
Broken with an overdose
On chemicals I'm burning
Drunk deadly and old
And still there's something here that leaves me cold

She's awake now
I know that she's awake now
I'm awake now
She knows that I'm awake now
We're awake now
We know that it is over and it is obvious now
Still we're waiting

Close enough to smell it
Take a deep breath relax
Out upon the stairway
It's frozen and it shines like glass
We've been sleeping through September
And we're brittle as the frozen glass
And still think I know
I'm coming back

Chorus

What if I'm wrong? . . .
I could be wrong . . .

TennisHack
11-21-2002, 01:48 AM
7) BIANCA -- now we're back to the rock, LOL ;) There are 2 basses in the band, and it shines through on songs like this one

Reward me now
With high demands
And clean, dry skin
An even tan

Reward me now
And shake my hand
A leadership
The high command

Like an empty colourslide
I'm black and white inside
Not brilliance here to hide away
I overdosed this time
On pure adrenline
I'm deaf and dumb and blind

Reward me now
With a hi-tech life
A widescreen dream
No cullulites

Reward me now
With a Concorde flight
In clean, dry air
Low fat light

Chorus X 2

8) BEFORE IT ALL ENDS -- a very soft song, with only the singer and a single guitar; shows their great contrast from the previous song

Modern thoughts about each other
Can't make you shine out any brighter
Antique promises uncovered
When we stop breathing for each other
We're drained of our will

Are you happy now?
Are you happy now?
Are you happy now?
Is there still time before it all ends?

Finally I found the words to tell you
I caught your hands under the table
There's still time for us to grow up
Closer to the sun before the summer slides into October

Chorus

Empty gunshells in park station
The hollow ring of our growing impatience
I knew you'd equal the occasion
My hand in your hand
While the others
Are dragged in the flow

Chorus X 2

TennisHack
11-21-2002, 01:59 AM
9) ELVIS -- Kent's tribute to the King of Rock n Roll, obsessed boyfriend-ignored girlfriend style

I'm living dead
Dreaming of ghosts
You've been trying to tell me all this time
And the King's in my head
Sings his songs he's amazing
I've been dreaming of Elvis all my life

So now you're stealing my time
All the hours that I once stole from you
I never thought you would mind
But I can see you do

All skin and bones
All on my own
You're been trying to tell me all this time
And the things in my head
Are slowly driving me crazy
I've been dreaming of Elvis all my life

Chorus X 2

So now you're stealing my time
All the hours that I once stole from you
I never thought you would mind
But I guess you do

10) VELVET -- let's just put it this way--it starts with a guitar riff and doesn't let up until the end

My skin feels strange like there's something underneath
And it's aching to be free
Try to think of something else

In my mind, imagination is running wild
I try to shut my eyes
Try to hide it with a lie
But I'm running out of time

You and I
Move at the speed of light
One step at a time
We don't have to run
You and I
Move at the speed of light
And with our smiles
We outshine the sun

Your skin feels strange like there's something underneath
I can feel it's breath
Warm upon my neck

And in our minds, imagination is running wild
When we shut our eyes
We're running out of time
And all of this is lies

Chorus X 3

TennisHack
11-21-2002, 02:23 AM
11) GLIDER -- the weird sound effects are going for this song, voice and all. It's probably the hardest one to like right off the bat, but you Musical Adventure fans should recognize this song ;)

Skin like tight
Pale in white
You'll dress like this just once
So turn around
Wave your hand
We're frozen where we stand

So cling to me
And I will lead
I will guide you this time
The words you say
Echo in my head
You touched my skin now I glide

Slow it seems
Vague like dreams
You flow through this so well
You turned around
Smiled and looked down
And threw the flowers that you held

So cling to me
And I will lead
I will guide you this time
The words you said
Echo in my head
You touched my skin now I glide

I need you
I don't need you
Now I need you


12) VELVET -- a very soft song about a very serious subject. The perfect way to end the album, it almost sounds sleepy in quality

Silence, like a whisper
Maybe tomorrow it won't be here
So tomorrow we could teach them
Some new styles
You're such a killer
So shoot me down again
It won't hurt when the killing is done by a friend

Silence, like a whisper
So this is all we need
The fully air conditioned sound of speed
A violent whisper
And this time it's for real
So this day I made plans for us to leave

Silence, why won't you listen?
Maybe it's just me
But sometimes it's impossible to breathe
A violent whisper
Maybe this time it won't heal
Maybe this time it will bleed until I'm free . . .

TennisHack
11-21-2002, 02:27 AM
Kent is:

Joakim Berg -- vocals
Martin Skold -- bass & keyboards
Sami Sirvio -- lead guitar, keyboards, & 6-string bass
Harri Manty -- guitar, drummachine, & percussion
Markis Mustonen -- drums, grand piano, Rhodes & backing vocals

Joakim getting into it ;)

Layla
11-21-2002, 02:54 AM
Thanks for all the info and the lyrics TH. :) You've been very helpful. Maybe I'll post lyrics to some American Music Club songs too, just because they are so incredible - witty and sad. They make you laugh and cry at the same time.

TennisHack
11-22-2002, 02:01 AM
Well, hitman, here's your arbitrary opinion.


PEARL JAM TRIES TO RAISE A RIOT
Seventh studio album is merely mediocre compared with past
By D.A. (name withheld to protect the stupid?)

When a band has been squarely in the spotlight for over a decade, it is often hard to continuously come up with something original, interesting, and relevant. Some bands, like Led Zeppelin, build on their early success and continue to impress and amaze over the length of their careers. Others, like Depeche Mode, do not age quite so well, with later works only standing to tarnish the good reputations they have built and casuing fans to wonder when it is better to just simply hang 'em up. With their seventh studio album, Riot Act, Pearl Jam staddles the fine line between doing something amazing and something awful, the fine line between adding an exclamation point to an already notable career or permanently placing a black mark beside their name.

Eddie Vedder, Stone Gossard, Matt Cameron, Jeff Ament and Mike McCready have been at this rock 'n' roll thing for awhile now. They have watched as their contemporaries of the early 90s alt-rock revolution--Nirvana, Soundgarden (Chris Cornell's former band) and Rage Against the Machine--have fallen by the wayside for one reason or another. Yet the five men who helped grunge explode into national prominence and made flannel hip, soldier on in a rock landscape remarkably changed. Alone they stand, fighting against those who aim to take their place by stealing their best qualities (Creed) or by being loud, clownish mooks (Limp Bizkit).

Riot Act's opening number, "Can't Keep", is a slow, rolling number, punctuated by Cameron's vibrant drums and Vedder's distinctive whining/wailing vocals. "I don't live forever, you can't keep me here," he sings, possible alluding to the band's many anti-commercial stances. "Save You" is a rocking, up-tempo blast of traditional Pearl Jam. However, it is probably better suited to the stage. Performed live, the song is most likely incendiary, with the pumping drums and charged guitar blasts. However, on this record, it sounds somewhat flat. It is just missing a certain energy that was present on the band's earlier recordings, a certain magic that Pearl Jam had back in 1994 when they were the best band in the world. Now they're just one of many bands desperately vying for that title and trying to regain some of their former glory.

However, not to fret, for directly following "Can't Keep" is "Love Boat Captain", probably the best song that PJ have recorded in some time. Although not as up-tempo as "Can't Keep", the energy that was missing from the previous song is evident on this one. Vedder's whine sounds in top form, energized by the song and rising to the occasion. "To the universe I don't mean a thing, and there's just one word that I still believe, and it's love," he forcefully declares. The band and Vedder seem to be in lockstep, perfectly matching one another to create a beautiful piece of power-pop rock, topped off by a rollicking guitar solo smack dab in the middle of the song.

Of course, Pearl Jam have always been about more than the music. They once stood alone in their fight to take back concerts from the monolith Ticketmaster and have frequently performed at benefits to fight conservative Senator Jesse Helms. So it's no surprise that in "Bush Leaguer", Vedder uses appropriate baseball metaphors to take aim at our President (Dubya used to own the Texas Rangers). However, while clever, the song seems almost forced, as if you could have seen this coming, with Vedder half-mumbling his vocals over a dreary back beat. You expect more out of Pearl Jam and Vedder than to be this obvious, as if they are simply going through the motions.

Therein lies the problem with Riot Act. While there are some very good songs, such as "Love Boat Captain", that advance Pearl Jam and add to their reputation, these moments are too few and far between. Far too often, they seem as if they are simply content to do what they've done before and are afraid to live up to their greatest moments of yesteryear. While they are not Depeche Mode and have shown that they are clearly capable of rising above themselves and producing great work, it happens too infrequently on Riot Act. Long time fans of the band will enjoy the album, but will not cherish it as they do Ten or Vs. The members of Pearl Jam are not disgracing themselves, but the are not Led Zeppelin either, further polishing their reputation.

Dissident
11-22-2002, 02:58 AM
Thanks for that Hackie. Was it your stuff? Its very well written. :D Congrats.

I just have one thing to add: Cameron was not in the band back in the 90s when they started. He was with the Soundgarden guys. The former drummer was called Dave (I forgot his last name :o), followed by Jack Irons (untill Yield). Somewhere between Yield and their tour, Matt Cameron joined the boat.

Maybe my thrill was just because Im a fan, then? :sad:
Well, I still think its hell good. I didnt feel this way about Binaural or Yield at all. ;)

TennisHack
11-22-2002, 03:04 AM
hitman--no, that's not my article. How could I review a CD I've never heard?

I have to admit it is one of the better-written articles in the paper, which is notorious for being horrible :rolleyes:

Dissident
11-22-2002, 03:09 AM
Oh well, I was being polite, you know that.
Thats why I didnt comment on the opinions. :p
Anyway, I stick to it being well written. :o
lol Thanks anyway.

TennisHack
11-22-2002, 03:38 AM
Originally posted by hitman
Thats why I didnt comment on the opinions. :p


Hmm, I wanted you to, that's why I posted it.

But if you're too nice to complain . . . ..::shrug::..

Dissident
11-22-2002, 03:43 AM
I just think some people feel very eager to criticize. We see that all around. A very close example is in the GM forum thread about HewittXGuga. Some comments are just totally out of line.
There are two ways to face:
1. Destroy the author by dissecating the matter.
2. Ignore it and comment on minor things.

As my knowledge of music is not the same as the "specialists", Ill shush. ;) They are too smart for me.
Did I ever mention I HATE critics?? :o

Dissident
11-22-2002, 03:44 AM
:p
You got the complaint in the end. lol

TennisHack
11-22-2002, 03:57 AM
Originally posted by hitman
:p
You got the complaint in the end. lol

Yeah, after I had to almost force your hand ;) But you're right, too much time is spent worrying about what others have to say.

matchbox114
11-22-2002, 05:20 AM
hey,guys !!!what do you say about Rolling stones? or maybe Our lady peace?

TheGuy
11-22-2002, 05:31 AM
Check out this article on Yngwie Malmsteen, Hitman. If it's not too much trouble, could you translate it? if not it's cool, I know it's long lol

http://yngwie.org/feedback/images/news.jpg

matchbox114
11-22-2002, 05:32 AM
well, i will tell you my oppinion about That... don't you think that Ferrero deserved the trophey of Masters cup more then Lleyton Hewitt? Ferrero's play was much more hard,much more impressive!!!certainly,Hewitt is the champion, but Ferrero is the player of skill!!!and he MUST keep on struggling next time!!!!

Mrs. B
11-23-2002, 10:32 AM
Hitman, there is a good review about Riot Act from my local papers here, but as it's in German and a bit long, give me time to translate it decently...

:)

Dissident
11-23-2002, 06:14 PM
Aww, thanks Mrs B. Very sweet of you. I will be waiting. :wavey: :)

Dissident
11-23-2002, 06:15 PM
Oh, I didnt notice that article on Malmsteen before... :(
I will translate it as soon as I have some time.
I can say already thats a review due to a show he was gonna give here in Brazil. Ok, Ill shush. LATER. ;)

TheGuy
11-24-2002, 07:17 AM
Hit, did you know he was booed in your town for playing the US national Anthem?

It was right after 911, and when he played it, they started chanting Bin Laden's name. He was so angry he played it about ten times before he left the stage.

Mrs. B
11-26-2002, 10:49 PM
Hitman, here's the review i told you about in it's original text. I'm getting a headache with the translation because of the way it's written in German...but i'll post it one of these days. I'm sure in between you'll be able to figure out what the guy's writing about.
:)


Versiert wie R.E.M. - weise wie Dylan
Pearl Jam veröffentlichen jetzt nach «Binaural» und fünfzig Livealben «Riot Act»: Rockmusik mit Ecken und Kanten. Drummer Matt Cameron über das Älterwerden und über die USA von heute.

Rudolf Amstutz



Dass im Moment der Rest der Welt nicht eben amerikafreundlich gestimmt ist, haben die US-Bürgerinnen und -Bürger längst mitgekriegt. Weshalb aber die «anderen» so missmutig reagieren, geht vielen nicht in den Kopf. Pearl Jam allerdings wissen, wovon der Rest der Welt spricht. Und auf ihrem neuen Album «Riot Act» präsentieren sie mit «Bushleaguer» auch ein Statement jenes Amerika, das sich wehrt gegen die Pauschalbeurteilungen von aussen.


«Bush ist unfähig»
Drummer Matt Cameron beunruhigt es, wie das Image seines Landes sinkt «unter der Führung eines völlig unfähigen Präsidenten». Und fügt an: «Für mich ist Amerika das Land von Miles Davis, Thelonious Monk und Duke Ellington. Mit jenem von Bush habe ich nichts am Hut.»Pearl Jam, allen voran Frontmann Eddie Vedder, waren seit jeher ungemütliche Kommentatoren. Und «Riot Act» ist eine Reaktion auf die Umstände, in denen Linksliberale in den USA zu leben haben.
Die Zeit, als Pearl Jam musikalisch weiträumig experimentierten wie etwa auf dem Album «No Code» oder sich wie auf der letzten Platte «Binaural» den introvertierteren Seiten zuwandten, ist vorbei. «Riot Act» ist kraftvoller als der Vorgänger, kompromissloser, wenn auch unter Beibehaltung der Errungenschaften der letzten Jahre, in der sich der lineare Sound Richtung komplexer Rockklänge weiter entwickelt hat. Pearl Jams Schicksal ist jenes einer Grunge-Ikone, die dazu verdammt ist, älter zu werden. Nirvana spielen seit dem Tod ihres Sängers in der Kategorie der Legenden, und Kurt Cobain liest sich wie James Dean oder Jim Morrison. Eddie Vedder, die Gitarristen Stone Gossard und Mike McCready, Bassist Jeff Ament und Matt Cameron wären längst eine Truppe für Nostalgiker, hätten sie den Weg von der Punkcombo zur erwachsenen Rockband nicht geschafft.
Cameron, der früher bei Soundgarden trommelte und seit 1998 bei Pearl Jam dabei ist, ist mittlerweile vierzig und hat sich sehr wohl Gedanken darüber gemacht, wie sich Rocker mit zunehmendem Alter zu verhalten haben: «Das Songwriting sollte die Erfahrungen reflektieren, die man gemacht hat. Wenn du mit vierzig immer noch über chicks ‘n‘ cars singst, wirds peinlich.»
Ein solches Schicksal hätte Pearl Jam wohl kaum treffen können, die Band hatte zu viel damit zu tun, sich gegen den Ruhm zu schützen. Vedder ging in seiner Ablehnung des Startums oft so weit, dass sein Verhalten als jenes einer Diva ausgelegt wurde. Doch das politische und soziale Engagement der Band lenkte das publizistische Getöse um ihren Frontmann wieder in die korrekte Richtung. Cameron sieht es zwar nicht als zwingend an, dass sich Musiker politisch zu engagieren hätten, «aber Pearl Jam ist traditionell eine Band, die sich zu gewissen Umständen geäussert hat, sich auch von Zuständen inspirieren lässt. Wir unterstützen in Seattle vor allem lokale Organisationen, die Menschen helfen, die in unserem System keine Chance haben. Wir verdienen so viel Geld - wieso nicht einen Teil davon für gute Zwecke weitergeben?»
Wäre Soundgarden eine politische Band gewesen, «dann hätten wir die jetzigen Zustände einfach eins zu eins verarbeitet», ist sich Cameron sicher. Als versierter Drummer und Jazzfan mag Cameron die Art, wie Pearl Jam ihre Lebensphilosophie umsetzen. Aus Vedder hätte ein plakativer Botschafter des Guten à la Bono werden können, doch dafür ist die Band zu homogen. «Unsere Musik entsteht im Kollektiv», sagt Cameron. «Sonst wäre die klare Identität unseres Sounds nicht beizubehalten.»


Vermutlich ein Weltrekord
«Riot Act» ist deshalb nicht nur Wut oder Ausdruck eines sorgenvollen Gesichts. Es ist wie alle Alben der Band auch jeweils die Summe des Vorhergegangenen. Vedder erspart sich textliche Plattitüden ebenso, wie die Musik sich nie im Formelhaften verliert. «Riot Act» ist kraftvoll wie Grunge, versiert wie R.E.M. und weise wie Dylan.
Wer davon nicht genug kriegen kann: Die Sorge um schlechte Bootlegs hat die Band in den letzten zwei Jahren dazu bewogen, ihre letzten Tourneen in Europa und in den USA komplett auf CD zu veröffentlichen. «Wir touren demnächst in Australien und Asien.» Cameron schmunzelt. Immerhin hat er in vier Jahren mit Pearl Jam so bereits über fünfzig Alben veröffentlicht. Weltrekord? Cameron lacht. «Wahrscheinlich.»
CD: Pearl Jam: «Riot Act» (Epic/ Sony)




BZ-Kultur, 16. November 2002

Dissident
11-28-2002, 12:22 AM
Thanks Mrs B. I cant understand german at all, but Ill try to figure a way. :D
Thanks again.

Mrs. B
11-28-2002, 12:42 PM
Doris will post the translation here...*sigh of relief*

:D

Doris Loeffel
11-28-2002, 01:02 PM
Mrs. B. here we go....

Versed like R.E.M. - wise like Dylan
Pearl Jam is publishing now after "Binaural" and fifty livealbums "Riot Act": Rockmusic with corners and edges. Drummer Matt Cameron about getting older and about the USA of today.

Rudolf Amstutz

That at the moment the rest of the world isnt really american friendly , the US citicens have already noticed by now. But why the "others" react that upset, doesn't get into the heads of them. Pearl Jam therefore know about what the rest of the world is talking. And on their new album "Riot Act" they present with "Bushleaguer" also a statement from the Amerika, that is restraining against the overalljugement from the outside.

"Bush is uncapable"
Drummer Matt Cameron worries it, whof the image of his country sinks "under the lead of a compleately uncapable president" And adds: "For me America is the land of Miles Davis, Thelonious Monk and Duke Ellington. With the one from Bush I've got nothing to do with." Pearl Jam, first of all Frontmen Eddi Vedder, have allways been unpleasant commentators. And "Riot Act" is a reaction of the circumstances, in which the leftliberals in the USA have to live in.
The time where Pearl Jam vast experimented musically like on the album "No Code" or like on the last disc "Binaural" turned towards the introvertised sides, is over. "Riot Act" is more poverful than the predecessor, uncompromising, even under keeping the achievements from the last years, in which the linear sound improved towardss complex rocktones. Pearl Jams destiny is the one of a Grunge_ikone, whos condemmed, to get older. Nirvana are playing since the death of their Singer in the categorie of the Legends, and Kurt Cobain reads like James Dean or Jim Morrison. Eddie Vedder, the guitarplayers Stone Gossard and Mike McCready, bassist Jeff Ament and Matt Cameron would be a groupe of nostalgics for a longtime, if they wouldn't have been able to turn from a punkcombo to an adult rockband.
Cameron, who used to drumm with Sjoundgarden and is with Pearl Jam since 1998, is in the meanwhile fourty and has made his thoughts about how rockers who are getting older have to act. "The songwritting should reflect the experiences, which one has made. When you with forty still are singing about cicks'n'cars then it's embarassing."
Such a destiny could have hardly hit Pearl Jam, the band had to much to do, to protect themselfs against the glory. Vedder was going as far in his rejection of stardom that his acting was compared to the one of a diva. But the political and social comittment of the band guided the publicitic noise about their frontmen in the correct direction again. Cameron doesn't see it as nessecary, that mucisians have to be politicall comitted, "but Pearl Jam is traditionally a band, who has spoken his mind to certain circumstances, who also gets inspired from certain conditions. We are supporting in Seattle mainly local organisations, who help humans, who have no chance in our system. We're earning so much monney - why not giving away part of it for charity?"
If Sjoundgarden would have been a political band "then we would have worked up the todays circumstances one to one", Cameron is convinced. As verdeded drummer and jazzfan Cameron likes the way, how Pearl Jam shifts their lifephilosophie. Vedder could have become a placative ambassador of the good à La Bono, but for that the band is to homogen. "Our music builts up in the collectiv", says Cameron. "Otherwise we could not keep the clear identity of our sound."

Probably a worldrecord
"Riot Act" is therefor not only anger or expression of a worring face. It is like all the albums of the band also a summary of the past. Vedder spears written platitudes just like the music's never lost into a formula. "Riot Act" is powerful like Grunge, versed like R.EM. and wise like Dylan. Who can't get enough of it: The worry about bad Bootlegs in the last to years the band desided to publish their latest tours in Europe and The USA compleately on CD. "Comming soon we'll tour in Australia and Asia" Cameron smiles. That way he published with Pearl Jam over 50 albens over four years. Worldrecord? Cameron laughs. "probably."
CD: Perl Jam: "Riot Act" (Epic/Sony)


......geee had no clue it was sooooooooooo long. Mrs. B. you owe me a drink!!!

Josh
11-28-2002, 01:04 PM
Only one? http://websmileys.bei.t-online.de/party02.gif ;)

Mrs. B
11-28-2002, 01:42 PM
Thanks Doris! I owe you a drink and i'll hit balls with you at our tennis court next season. No problem. :)

Hitman should thank you. ;)

Doris Loeffel
11-28-2002, 02:01 PM
Hey Mrs. B. I might take you by your word. But you have to be patient with me as I'm a hopelessly bad tennis player....

......Alan will confirm you that I'm sure!!

Mrs. B
11-28-2002, 02:07 PM
Originally posted by Doris Loeffel
Hey Mrs. B. I might take you by your word. But you have to be patient with me as I'm a hopelessly bad tennis player....

......Alan will confirm you that I'm sure!!

No problemo. We also have a ball machine so i don't have to pick the balls up all the time. ;)

:D

Dissident
11-28-2002, 05:07 PM
THANK YOU DORIS!!!
And thanks to Mrs B for bringing both the article and you to help me. :)

I guess I owe both of you drinks. :bounce:

*No, Josh, changing my name was not THAT big a work* ;)

Dissident
11-28-2002, 05:07 PM
Btw, I should say the article is very good.
And the translation seems to be very good, since I understood it all. :D

Doris Loeffel
11-28-2002, 05:18 PM
thanks and you're welcome Mrs. B. spotted some errors thoug ooopppsss......

Dissident
11-28-2002, 07:53 PM
Oh please, dont be so hard on yourself. Its wonderful. Thanks again. :)