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Is Marat Mikhailovich Safin on his way to the International Tennis Hall of Fame?

the cat
02-08-2005, 02:43 PM
I think so. :) Marat Safin can still do alot more in his career. But I think that owning 2 grand slam singles titles, being in 4 grand slam finals, 2002 Davis Cup champion for Russia, former #1 and the second youngest men's tennis player to make the #1 ranking on the computer have put Marat Mikhailovich Safin on the road to the International Tennis Hall of Fame in Newport, Rhode Island. :tennis: :D

maratski
02-08-2005, 02:47 PM
You said it, there's not much more to add from my side except that he also holds the record of most rackets broken in one season and he's the first man to be fined for tanking. That makes him a legend. ;)

tommy's_girl
02-08-2005, 02:48 PM
:wavey: I do really think that Marat should be there, because he is one of the best tennists of the wold!!!!!
:worship: Marat Safin = The Best... :worship:

MisterQ
02-08-2005, 02:58 PM
If they let Yannick Noah in, surely Safin is qualified. (and I mean no disrespect to Noah, by the way). :)

the cat
02-08-2005, 03:09 PM
I had forgotten about the tanking incident in 2000 Maratski. But thanks for reminding me. :( ;)

MisterQ, Yannick Noah was a very good tennis player at his peak and a dynamic personalty his entire career. :) But in my opinion he wasn't a Hall of Fame tennis player mostly because he only made 1 grand slam final in his career and never made it to #1 on the ATP computer.

MisterQ
02-08-2005, 03:45 PM
I had forgotten about the tanking incident in 2000 Maratski. But thanks for reminding me. :( ;)

MisterQ, Yannick Noah was a very good tennis player at his peak and a dynamic personalty his entire career. :) But in my opinion he wasn't a Hall of Fame tennis player mostly because he only made 1 grand slam final in his career and never made it to #1 on the ATP computer.

That is my opinion as well, cat. If the Hall is going to have real meaning, it ought to be very selective.

But now that Noah is in, it seems to guarantee two-slam former No. 1's a spot, as well as the more accomplished one-slam winners, for better or for worse...

the cat
02-08-2005, 03:58 PM
MQ, is Hewitt the youngest ever to make #1 on the ATP computer in 2001 or was is Safin in 2000?

And I think that the Hall of Fame's I follow have been watered down over the years into the Hall of very good's and I can't understand why.

crimson
02-08-2005, 04:41 PM
Yes, I think that Marat will definitely get in, for all the reasons that were already stated; also the fact that he has won 2 of the 4 different slams, not just 2 at the same slam, adds to his all-round credentials. :)

In answer to your question cat, Hewitt is the youngest ever number one to date, just edging out Safin by a month or so: he was 20 years and 8 months old when he first became number one, while Safin was 20 years and 9 months old.

RodLo
02-08-2005, 04:42 PM
I definitely think he deserves it...and I'd love to see him in there. :woohoo:

Dirk
02-08-2005, 04:44 PM
Hasn't accomplished enough.

Riley Finn
02-08-2005, 04:44 PM
maybe we can wait until he finishes his career before discussing hall of fame?

Eclectic Goddess
02-08-2005, 05:09 PM
maybe we can wait until he finishes his career before discussing hall of fame?
Wait and see what happens? That's just crazy talk!

Chloe le Bopper
02-08-2005, 07:13 PM
Safin can retire tomorrow and he'd get in eventually.

robinhood
02-08-2005, 08:05 PM
Oh, my. Even his middle name is hot.

Tennis Fool
02-08-2005, 09:12 PM
Jon W. actually already has a formula for this, stated in his last column. MS has a score of .5, which already gets him in, along with Lleyton Hewitt.

Vass
02-08-2005, 10:05 PM
Oh, my. Even his middle name is hot.
Does that take into account the fact that some people call him MUBINOVICH , which by the way seems to be the correct thing to do. ;) :o

Leena
02-08-2005, 10:17 PM
If Muster isn't in yet, Safin shouldn't be.

robinhood
02-09-2005, 03:14 AM
Does that take into account the fact that some people call him MUBINOVICH , which by the way seems to be the correct thing to do. ;) :o

What does that mean??

Lisbeth
02-09-2005, 03:20 AM
Definitely, I would have thought.

drf716
02-09-2005, 05:09 AM
yes! if only because he is famous. hehe

Vass
02-09-2005, 10:12 AM
What does that mean??
It means that Marat's Dad's name is Mubin and not Makhail (The middle name in Russia is basically your dad's first name with 'vich' in the end). I think that the first one is right, but I'm not sure. Atleast the Russian Press always calls Marat's dad Mubin, and I tend to trust them in this. Mubin is a Tatar name, afterall.

edit: i made a search on Google about it (in Russian) and the same number of results came out on both names. :tape: Go figure. Someone should ask him about this.

edit2: Searched some more and found people discussing this on one Tatar forum. THey noticed that on the Athens 04 Olympic site his name was "Mubinovich", "which apparently is the way it is written in his passport". Makes sense. And yes, they also pointed out that Mikhail is not a tatar name, and it would make more sense if a guy with a pure tatarlast name, and who'll name both his children with Tatar names would be "Mubin".

keen
02-09-2005, 10:21 AM
Safin rulez!
But I offer to wait Dubai, Indian Wells and Miami.
Just after these tournaments We'll see who is who.
Undoubtedly Federer will try taking revenge. Now He is very angry :-(((

foul_dwimmerlaik
02-09-2005, 11:31 AM
Undoubtedly, Indian Wells and Miami are the true measure of greatness.

MariaV
02-09-2005, 11:57 AM
I guess it's so that for the convenience the Russian ppl call his dad Mikhail (a Russian name) but his official name is still Mubin. Just like his mom's official name is Rausa/Rauza but the Russians call her Roza.

the cat
02-09-2005, 02:29 PM
Sorry Leena, but Muster was not quite as good a tennis player Safin is. :tennis: ;)

I didn't want to wait Riley. :) You tell 'em Eclectic. :shout:

I thought Marat's fathers name is Mikhail. And I prefer Mikhailovich to Mubinovich. ;) But I prefer Milla Jovovich to both! :hearts: ;)

hablovah19
02-09-2005, 02:33 PM
I had forgotten about the tanking incident in 2000 Maratski. But thanks for reminding me. :( ;)

MisterQ, Yannick Noah was a very good tennis player at his peak and a dynamic personalty his entire career. :) But in my opinion he wasn't a Hall of Fame tennis player mostly because he only made 1 grand slam final in his career and never made it to #1 on the ATP computer.

I thought he won RG ?? :confused:

Leena
02-09-2005, 02:57 PM
Sorry Leena, but Muster was not quite as good a tennis player Safin is. :tennis: ;)

I didn't want to wait Riley. :) You tell 'em Eclectic. :shout:

I thought Marat's fathers name is Mikhail. And I prefer Mikhailovich to Mubinovich. ;) But I prefer Milla Jovovich to both! :hearts: ;)
1) Muster - 44 titles.
Safin - 15 titles.

2) Both had serious issues that cost them parts of their career.

Muster - Leg destroyed due to a moronic drunk driver.
Safin - No brain.

the cat
02-09-2005, 03:17 PM
Gee Leena, you're brutally honest and combative just like Mary Carillo is! :eek: :boxing: ;) It's hard for me to dispute your facts. But Safin has 2 grand slam singles titles and Muster can't match that. And Safin has been slowed by injuries on numerous occasions.

MisterQ
02-09-2005, 05:33 PM
I thought he won RG ?? :confused:

He did! :)

But that was the only GS final he ever played in. ;)

Riley Finn
02-09-2005, 06:26 PM
If Muster isn't in yet, Safin shouldn't be.

Agreed!

MissMoJo
02-09-2005, 06:32 PM
Undoubtedly Federer will try taking revenge. Now He is very angry :-(((

You bet he is.......on the upside, he's cute when he's mad

MisterQ
02-09-2005, 06:47 PM
No one beats Roger Robertovich Federer twice in a row. ;)

MariaV
02-09-2005, 08:52 PM
Mr Q!!!!!!! :haha: :haha: :haha: :yeah:

the cat
02-10-2005, 12:04 AM
Good one Q. ;)

But Riley, I think Safin's 2 grand slam singles titles put him a level above Muster and his 1 grand slam singles title. And while Muster was a fine player but he wasn't the all court player Safin is.

Vass
02-10-2005, 05:21 AM
No one beats Roger Robertovich Federer twice in a row. ;)
: :rolls: :spit:
Sounds VERY good! Roger Robertovich.... wow.

cheliste
02-10-2005, 05:47 AM
No one beats Roger Robertovich Federer twice in a row. ;)

:lol:
I'll remember that for the banner I'm making for Rogi! ;)

heya
02-10-2005, 06:20 AM
Carillo is a manly gorilla. Please don't insult Leena.

the cat
02-10-2005, 02:09 PM
Hiya Heya! :wavey: Who insulted Leena? :shrug:

TheMightyFed
02-10-2005, 02:13 PM
Why not ?

the cat
02-10-2005, 04:57 PM
What not what mdhubert?

Riley Finn
02-10-2005, 05:08 PM
Good one Q. ;)

But Riley, I think Safin's 2 grand slam singles titles put him a level above Muster and his 1 grand slam singles title. And while Muster was a fine player but he wasn't the all court player Safin is.


He'll have to win one more...And yes Marat is a better all court player, but Muster has more titles and if I recall correctly more weeks at #1.

the cat
02-10-2005, 06:14 PM
When Muster was healthy and on his game he could play well on hard courts too. He was more than just a clay court specialist that's for sure. But I'm not sure he was a Hall of Fame tennis player. He could get inducted someday. And if Yannick Noah is in the International Tennis Hall of Fame and he is, Thomas Muster deserves to be there too.

yonexforever
02-11-2005, 03:06 AM
I think so. :) Marat Safin can still do alot more in his career. But I think that owning 2 grand slam singles titles, being in 4 grand slam finals, 2002 Davis Cup champion for Russia, former #1 and the second youngest men's tennis player to make the #1 ranking on the computer have put Marat Mikhailovich Safin on the road to the International Tennis Hall of Fame in Newport, Rhode Island. :tennis: :D


As an aside, does anyone know if Marat is a descendant from the Romanovs or is that middle name just a tribute to them?

marilag
02-11-2005, 03:11 AM
The middle name --- Mubinovich --- is his patronymic.

It means 'son of Mubin'.

I think Dinara would be Dinara Mubinovna, i.e., Dinara daughter of Mubin.

(I'm going by what a poster said --- that Marat's father's real name is Mubin, not Mikhail.)

Marusha
02-11-2005, 02:00 PM
You know Safin's nationality is Tartar.
The tartar names are nonusual and hard for russian pronunciation.
So often such names are changed for convenience.
There is the situation where the passport name is not the same as the name to call.

Foxy Smile
02-11-2005, 02:08 PM
Call me at least one tartar name that is hard for russian pronunciation:D

keen
02-11-2005, 02:15 PM
Who are tartars?
Is Marat not Russian?

Marusha
02-11-2005, 02:24 PM
I know such tartars as Miras, Maksud, Masnoi, Nagilya, Serik, Ramazan, Akram and so on.
May they are not so hard to pronunciation, but most of this people changed their names.

Foxy Smile
02-11-2005, 02:28 PM
He's russian. No doubt.
The thing is that Russia is a multi-national state. Tartars is one of many nationalities. That's all.

jtipson
02-11-2005, 02:33 PM
He'll have to win one more...And yes Marat is a better all court player, but Muster has more titles and if I recall correctly more weeks at #1.

Muster only had six weeks at the top, Safin already had nine. Titles-wise, Thomas is way ahead, but then his career is long over ;)

Carolinita
02-11-2005, 02:34 PM
Maybe I'm wrong but I'm thinking about having heard that the Tartar population is a bit discriminated in Russia...it's that true?? :confused:

Marusha
02-11-2005, 02:37 PM
Who are tartars?
Is Marat not Russian?


Have you heard about the Tatar yoke?

Tartars=tatars and Mongols many years ago siezed Russia for some centuries .
:sad:
Our countries fought to each other.
And after that they began to live side by side.

In present Tartar is a part of Russian Federation as Russia, Bashkiria.
Kazan is a capital of Tatar. :p

Foxy Smile
02-11-2005, 02:39 PM
Absolutely not. We've been living side by side since 13 century :)

Carolinita
02-11-2005, 02:42 PM
Absolutely not. We've been living side by side since 13 century :)
oh..good :yeah:

Vass
02-11-2005, 03:00 PM
Maybe I'm wrong but I'm thinking about having heard that the Tartar population is a bit discriminated in Russia...it's that true?? :confused:
YES! and so is everyone else... :rolleyes: :o

the cat
02-11-2005, 03:03 PM
Marusa, thanks for all the Tatar information. :) But Marat's nationality is Russian and his heritage is Tatar.

tangerine_dream
02-11-2005, 05:40 PM
Don't mind me, I just feel like posting some pics of Russians in here. :)

the cat
02-11-2005, 10:01 PM
Thanks t_d.

steffilover
02-11-2005, 11:12 PM
Marat is already firmly entrenched in my hall of fame!!! :worship: :wavey:

the cat
02-11-2005, 11:37 PM
Good to hear that. ;) I think Marat would be pleased.