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Crowd Behavior in Chile

Julio1974
02-07-2005, 09:57 PM
It was so annoying to watch the Chilean public disturbing Gaudio while serving, cherring on his missing serves and provoking him all the time. This is not the first time that something like this happens in Chile. If they continue to behave like this, many players will prefer not to play there (esp. the good ones like Gaudio). Zabaleta was also very upset with Gonzalez´s behaviour and he openly criticizes him for not playing in Buenos Aires.

loner1984
02-07-2005, 10:01 PM
I saw one guy get escorted out of the place by the police and some tournament officials for creating and provoking a rucus. He held play up for like 30 seconds by walking slowly to his seat.

josemanuel
02-07-2005, 10:09 PM
It´s always the same in Chile and Brasil.
They hate the argentinians and they do whatever they can to disturb the players.
Gaudio played very smart against Gonzalez and won.
Congrats Gato!!!!!!

Julio1974
02-07-2005, 10:15 PM
I think it's a question of education. The American public tend to do the same in the US Open (of course, not as gross as the Chileans). But I've never seen the English public disturbing a Henman's opponent.

Coleburg83
02-07-2005, 10:20 PM
"The American public tend to do the same in the US Open"

What riot in the stands? I must have missed that tournament.

If you mean cheer for your own players, then that's every country. The US is simply the only country with players that make it to the final and win the slam in their own country often.

Julio1974
02-07-2005, 10:23 PM
Annoying Roodick, Agassi and Serena's opponents. Sometimes, American public tend to support their players too much. But it's just an impression.

Coleburg83
02-07-2005, 10:24 PM
As compared to what happens to Henman's opponents at Wimbledon?

I'm just lost as to what is the problem with people from the US/Argentina/UK rooting for their own countrymen, it's actually the opposite that should provoke raised eyebrows.

myggen
02-07-2005, 10:28 PM
Look at the players coming to play in Acapulco. There must be a reason why so many amazing players are coming there... Besides being a beautiful place the audience in Acapulco really are treating the players nicely and respectfully. I know the players love this tournament and it is not difficult to see why.

Julio1974
02-07-2005, 10:30 PM
I think there is a big difference between rooting for countrymen and annoying the countrymen's opponents. You don't need to cheer on a double fault or a missing first serve or a groos error. I think it's the same difference between celebrating a good point (as most players do) and celebrating an opponent gross mistake with a c'mon.

Fergie
02-07-2005, 10:36 PM
To play in Chile is like to play the Davis Cup :angel:

I remember the last year in Bs As the final between Coria and Moya ... And all the crowd was celebrating when Moya was losing a point :rolleyes:

joeb_uk
02-07-2005, 10:39 PM
I think it's a question of education. The American public tend to do the same in the US Open (of course, not as gross as the Chileans). But I've never seen the English public disturbing a Henman's opponent.
Thats because the english crowds are very boring fans who do not make any noise, they barely even applaud and cheer.

Julio1974
02-07-2005, 10:40 PM
The Argentine Public sucks in the Davis Cup. But in the last two Coria-Moya matches, and in the Acasusso-Kuerten match at the ATP, I don't remember the public celebrating Kuerten or Moya double faults and this kind of behavor. In fact, I do remember Guga Kuerten saying after the match "I thought I was playing in Brasill for all the support of the public". And Moya comes back every year, despite the fact that the ATP Buenos Aires is a shitty tournament for players like him. I guess this is because he has always been well treated. I wonder weather a top ten like Gaudio will ever come back to Chile.

Julio1974
02-07-2005, 10:41 PM
Thats because the english crowds are very boring fans who do not make any noise, they barely even applaud and cheer.

English fans boring? Did you ever watch a soccer match in England? They have the best soccer fans in Europe... But when it comes to tennis, I admire how they behave in Wimbledom.

Fergie
02-07-2005, 10:44 PM
The Argentine Public sucks in the Davis Cup. But in the last two Coria-Moya matches, and in the Acasusso-Kuerten match at the ATP, I don't remember the public celebrating Kuerten or Moya double faults and this kind of behavor. In fact, I do remember Guga Kuerten saying after the match "I thought I was playing in Brasill for all the support of the public". And Moya comes back every year, despite the fact that the ATP Buenos Aires is a shitty tournament for players like him. I guess this is because he has always been well treated. I wonder weather a top ten like Gaudio will ever come back to Chile.
If you don't remember it doesn't mean that hasn't happened :angel:

And Gaudio will back, he always play here ;)

Becool
02-07-2005, 10:45 PM
Annoying Roodick, Agassi and Serena's opponents. Sometimes, American public tend to support their players too much. But it's just an impression.


Serena's Opponents? LOL
They tend to irritate Serena!

Julio1974
02-07-2005, 10:52 PM
If you don't remember it doesn't mean that hasn't happened :angel:

And Gaudio will back, he always play here ;)

Did you read between lines the Rios-Gaudio dialogue at the end of the match?

Julio1974
02-07-2005, 10:57 PM
Zabaleta's statement today, complaining against the way Gonzalez manipulated the local crowd against his opponents.

El tenista argentino Mariano Zabaleta dijo hoy que el retiro del chileno Fernando González del ATP Buenos Aires, que comenzó en el Lawn Tennis Club, se debe a que el perdedor de la final de Viña del Mar "no se anima a jugar en la Argentina".

El tandilense, ubicado en el puesto número 50 del ranking mundial, no tuvo empacho en tirarle dardos al chileno (14°) y dijo: "Con lo mal que se portó en Viña del Mar, haciendo que la gente se ponga totalmente en contra de sus rivales, tendrá miedo que en Buenos Aires le devuelvan con lo mismo".

Precisamente, Zabaleta fue uno de los que "sufrió" el mal trato del público chileno, cuando perdió con González, en una de las semifinales y en tres sets, el viernes último.

El tenista que consiguió la medalla de bronce en los Juegos Olímpicos Atenas 2004 alentó en aquel partido que se definió con parciales 4-6, 7-6 y 7-6 al público local para que hiciera bullicio cada vez que Zabaleta sacaba y discutió puntos muy claros, con el propósito de que la gente se pusiera en contra del argentino.

Por eso, Zabaleta manifestó a la agencia Télam que González "rompió los códigos del tenis, porque no se puede hacer lo que hizo. No tiene necesidad de generar violencia ni resentimiento de la gente en contra del visitante para para ganar un partido".

Para el tandilense, el público chileno suele pecar de "irrespetuoso". Y remarcó que a él lo insultaron durante todo el partido "al igual que a mi entrenador (Luis Lobo), mi preparador físico (Juan Carlos Menchón) y a un amigo mío. Esas cosas en la Argentina no pasan, se alienta al tenista local pero sin faltarle el respeto al jugador visitante", sentenció.

Zabaleta tuvo serios inconvenientes en Chile, en el marco de la Copa Davis 2001, cuando tuvo que suspender el partido que animaba contra Nicolás Massú.

"Estoy de acuerdo con Gastón (Gaudio) en que González fue irrespetuoso y que el torneo de Chile se juega una vez por año. Pero durante todas las giras es visitante, igual que todos", puntualizó el tandilense.

Por último, Zabaleta lamentó el retiro de González y remarcó: "Me quedé con las ganas de jugarle, porque si ambos ganábamos en primera ronda, por ahí, nos enfrentábamos en cuartos de final. Pero se ve que no se anima, si no tiene gente a favor", culminó.

TennisLurker
02-07-2005, 11:04 PM
I think we all behave more or less in the same way in south america, no need to point fingers.

joeb_uk
02-07-2005, 11:29 PM
English fans boring? Did you ever watch a soccer match in England? They have the best soccer fans in Europe... But when it comes to tennis, I admire how they behave in Wimbledom.
Of course football is alot more different and these are the crowds i am used to seeing, i wish tennis fans were abit more like them. But somehow i dont think many fans would want the other fans to be behaving similar to football fans saying "you fucking wanker, what an awful miss"

Fergie
02-07-2005, 11:39 PM
Poor Zabaleta ... He just speaks because is in Argentina :o

Looks like he don't remember when played against Rios in Bs As 2002 :o

*Viva Chile*
02-07-2005, 11:46 PM
And the argentineans don't remember the final of Bs. As. 2002 when Massu defeated Calleri???? The crowd behavior was awful too.

Fergie
02-07-2005, 11:52 PM
Or the last year: Massu vs Gasquet :o

Carito_90
02-08-2005, 12:00 AM
Advice: If you're argentinean, never, I repeat, NEVER make a thread bashing Chileans (sp?).

Anyway, no, I didn't like Chile's crowd behavior. But it's always like that, specially against Argentinean players. No surprise. Tho I must say that the "Chi-chi-chi le-le-le viva chile" starts getting really annoying after the third time or so.
But ahm, I dont know, just ignore it. You can't do anything against it but ignore it.
And Fergie... sorry but if Mariano said that it's probably because of something, not just because he's in Argentina. Maybe he DID get bothered by the Chilean crowd. Tho I must admit thos allegations were a bit too hard, even though I don't like Gonzales at all.

Hendu
02-08-2005, 12:32 AM
And the argentineans don't remember the final of Bs. As. 2002 when Massu defeated Calleri???? The crowd behavior was awful too.

WHAAAT???? :eek:

I don't remember the match between Massu and Gasquet... but in the final between Massu and Calleri, the behavior was good... Massu received an standing ovation. And Moya and Kuerten are fan favorites... the crowd would never cheer when they make a double fault... in fact I really don't remember anything like in the ATP of Buenos Aires... although the behavior in the Davis Cup in Argentina is not so good... I remember some years ago, (against Slovakia I think) a guy threw a coin to the court...

Anyway, the behavior of the crowd in Chile wasn't that bad... but I guess they don't see the difference between an ATP Tournament and the Davis Cup.

Both Zabaleta and Gaudio complained about what Gonzalez did...

*Viva Chile*
02-08-2005, 12:36 AM
Anyway, the behavior of the crowd in Chile wasn't that bad... but I guess they don't see the difference between an ATP Tournament and the Davis Cup.


I totally agree with you :yeah: ;)

tangerine_dream
02-08-2005, 12:56 AM
Annoying Roodick, Agassi and Serena's opponents. Sometimes, American public tend to support their players too much. But it's just an impression.

Hilariously stupid.

Action Jackson
02-08-2005, 01:01 AM
I think we all behave more or less in the same way in south america, no need to point fingers.

Agreed.

euroka1
02-08-2005, 01:04 AM
Yes, that's pretty standard in that part of the world. Like Lleyton, people eventually get used to it. Adds some colour..

Fergie
02-08-2005, 01:05 AM
Yes, that's pretty standard in that part of the world. Like Lleyton, people eventually get used to it. Adds some colour..
I agree ;)

Action Jackson
02-08-2005, 01:11 AM
I love the crowd atmosphere in South America it gives the events colour that they are really into it.

Of course these crowds are going to cheer for their players I mean what do you expect a Chilean playing an Argentine in the final of an event in Chile, and Gaudio isn't going to get a lot of support in the match from the local fans, and it's the same vice versa.

In Peru they would be cheering very loudly for Horna to win and in Ecuador it would the same for Lapentti.

Hendu
02-08-2005, 01:24 AM
Adds some colour..


I agree, but sometimes there is too much colour :) , cheering a double fault, and trying too annoy players at that level... I don't think thats good for the ATP Tour...

Thats ok for the the Davis Cup, but I think in this case it was a little too much for an ATP Tournament... specially if you want the players come back the next year.

Anyway, I repeat, It wasn't that bad... considering the passion for tennis that Rios, Massu and Gonzalez generated in Chile.

Action Jackson
02-08-2005, 01:30 AM
I agree, but sometimes there is too much colour :) , cheering a double fault, and trying too annoy players at that level... I don't think thats good for the ATP Tour...

That's a good point really, sure cheering double faults is not cool. I remember once in Brasil I think there was someone shining a mirror in the opponent's eyes as they were about to serve, that is too much.

Anyway, I repeat, It wasn't that bad... considering the passion for tennis that Rios, Massu and Gonzalez generated in Chile.

That is spot on, if it wasn't for Rios then Gonzalez and Massu wouldn't have had the path paved for them and it has generated huge interest in the sport in Chile and that can only be a good thing.

willie
02-08-2005, 01:58 AM
To play in Chile is like to play the Davis Cup :angel:

I remember the last year in Bs As the final between Coria and Moya ... And all the crowd was celebrating when Moya was losing a point :rolleyes:

it wasnt that way, i was in the final and people here in argentina cheer alot for moya, even do he was playing the best argentinean player that could win for the first time the tournament.
chile is really a disaster, the davis cup in 2000 was terrible and each in that tournament they do everything to disturb the players that are playing against chileans, principally argentineans. :o

willie
02-08-2005, 01:59 AM
what say of rios behaviour on court... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

willie
02-08-2005, 02:03 AM
no chileans in buenos aires...............doesnt matter.
no argentineans in viña del mar......the tournament transforms into a challenger.

Sagiel
02-08-2005, 02:14 AM
I think we all behave more or less in the same way in south america, no need to point fingers.


I feel exactly the same, going to Davis Cup matches in BA is hell, after last year im staying at home this time. Color or not, someone needs to educate the crowd.

Action Jackson
02-08-2005, 02:22 AM
I feel exactly the same, going to Davis Cup matches in BA is hell, after last year im staying at home this time. Color or not, someone needs to educate the crowd.

What was so scary about it?

Sagiel
02-08-2005, 02:50 AM
What was so scary about it?


It's more annoying than scary, I think it makes the Players feel uncomfortable, and I too at times feel a little uncomfortable. I know that as long as it doesn't turn into a riot like that Chile-Argentina DC match, it should be bearable, but I still feel a little annoyed by the overall behavior of the crowd, I find it rather disrespectful to the players, just that.

basil333
02-08-2005, 02:55 AM
Bearing in mind Gonzalez listed Mariano as one of his best friends, and I've seen them out together off court quite a bit too, and bearing in mind Mariano is NOT known for keeping quiet (which is one of the reasons I think he rules!) I am guessing that he would NOT release statements without being 100% sure of what he's saying. Basically I love the way he speaks his mind (and takes immediate action where necesssary too GWH will understand) and the fact he always has trouble in Chile, I am impressed with his comments - this is not the first time his Personal Team has been attacked by the Chilian Crowd during his matches...

(this post may not make sense its 3.50am and I've been trying to get a baby to sleep for the last hour)

on another matter. British Fans also cause trouble in tennis stadiums - even Wimbledon....

[disclaimer - i am a massive mariano fan obviously]

Mariano and Chela were playing doubles at Wimbledon - against Avind Parmar and Jamie Delgado (British Guys). We were supporting Mariano and Chela - some arrogant British Guys were behind us - every change of ends they told people really rudely - DONT SIT THERE..... THEY are supporting the "Argentines!!!" (believe me this was NOT playful banter - I could have had great fun if it was but it definitely wasnt....)

- after the 5th time of this rudeness - I shouted back to him - YES!!! we ARE supportin "The Argentines!!" as you put it... AND fact!!! "The Argentines..." KNOW personally that we are supporting them..... Do Arvind and Jamie know YOU are supporting them???? (equally arrogantly - with fierce eye contact (I am 4ft 11) - they left the match at the next change of ends.... - so dont think the British Wimbledon doesnt have trouble... - that was the toned down version.

Hendu
02-08-2005, 02:57 AM
It's more annoying than scary, I think it makes the Players feel uncomfortable, and I too at times feel a little uncomfortable. I know that as long as it doesn't turn into a riot like that Chile-Argentina DC match, it should be bearable, but I still feel a little annoyed by the overall behavior of the crowd, I find it rather disrespectful to the players, just that.

Yeah, it gets kind of wild...

In the DC I kind of enjoy it though... maybe I'm wrong.

Action Jackson
02-08-2005, 03:01 AM
basil, I might have to come back to Wimbledon again to cure my grass phobia.

nikkita
02-08-2005, 03:05 AM
WHAAAT???? :eek:

I don't remember the match between Massu and Gasquet... but in the final between Massu and Calleri, the behavior was good... Massu received an standing ovation. And Moya and Kuerten are fan favorites... the crowd would never cheer when they make a double fault... in fact I really don't remember anything like in the ATP of Buenos Aires... although the behavior in the Davis Cup in Argentina is not so good... I remember some years ago, (against Slovakia I think) a guy threw a coin to the court...

Anyway, the behavior of the crowd in Chile wasn't that bad... but I guess they don't see the difference between an ATP Tournament and the Davis Cup.

Both Zabaleta and Gaudio complained about what Gonzalez did...

I was in Massu-Gasquet match. And people were cheering for Gasquet, but never celebrated an UE from Massu or said something against him...
I was also last year in Copa Argentina, and I thought that people would say something against Fernando after his argentine passport comments, but people behaved really well for my surprise.

Action Jackson
02-08-2005, 03:06 AM
It's more annoying than scary, I think it makes the Players feel uncomfortable, and I too at times feel a little uncomfortable. I know that as long as it doesn't turn into a riot like that Chile-Argentina DC match, it should be bearable, but I still feel a little annoyed by the overall behavior of the crowd, I find it rather disrespectful to the players, just that.

Go to croquet if you want the genteel atmosphere.

Ok, onto a more serious answer. Well the atmosphere shouldn't be too welcoming to the away team in the match. I mean don't boo when they hit a winner, but if they whine, then stir them up that what most crowds do.

To me as long as they are not shining mirrors, don't boo national anthems, blowing horns as they are about to serve or threaten the lives of the opposing teams then there has to be some give and take.

Note, I don't clap double faults of players I don't like, but the crowd is going to do what they can to get their player over the line.

Hendu
02-08-2005, 03:10 AM
- after the 5th time of this rudeness - I shouted back to him - YES!!! we ARE supportin "The Argentines!!" as you put it... AND fact!!! "The Argentines..." KNOW personally that we are supporting them..... Do Arvind and Jamie know YOU are supporting them???? (equally arrogantly - with fierce eye contact (...) that was the toned down version.

:unsure: :bolt: lol

tennischick
02-08-2005, 06:00 AM
i'm quoting my sweetie here but i agree with him that there isn't an Argie on this planet who expects anything other than "abuso" in Chile.

Gaudio is no exception.

the trick is to win anyway.

and he did.

mi amor :kiss: :kiss:

Wojtek
02-08-2005, 06:14 AM
"The American public tend to do the same in the US Open"

What riot in the stands? I must have missed that tournament.

If you mean cheer for your own players, then that's every country. The US is simply the only country with players that make it to the final and win the slam in their own country often.

You miss some matches. US Open has the worst crowd in Grand Slams.

Coleburg83
02-08-2005, 06:53 AM
In what context?

The only really bad example I can think of was some of the PC drones in the stadium for the James Blake matches against Lleyton Hewitt, trying to rattle Lleyton.

Other than that, I don't see the crowds as any worse for a home player than anywhere else, simply more home players do well at the US Open. If Grosjean got to the final at RG it would be the same situation.

ATPTOUR
02-08-2005, 07:00 AM
Booing off Patrick Rafter at the US Open, last time I looked he wasn't black.

Coleburg83
02-08-2005, 07:07 AM
When did Rafter get booed? Granted it's been what 7 years, but I don't remember him having any problems with the crowd there.

Riley Finn
02-08-2005, 07:16 AM
About USO...I think every Roddick fan remembers the Nalbandian match...

But FO public is the worst.

ATPTOUR
02-08-2005, 07:23 AM
When did Rafter get booed? Granted it's been what 7 years, but I don't remember him having any problems with the crowd there.

The 1999 US Open after having won it twice. He has the shoulder problem and does the best thing and defaults as it was effecting his game too much at the start of the 5th set and then he got the music from the crowd.

That is not a figment of the imagination, in no other Slam did Rafter get booed off court.

Julio1974
02-08-2005, 10:09 AM
Of course football is alot more different and these are the crowds i am used to seeing, i wish tennis fans were abit more like them. But somehow i dont think many fans would want the other fans to be behaving similar to football fans saying "you fucking wanker, what an awful miss"

HA HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA

Julio1974
02-08-2005, 10:14 AM
And the argentineans don't remember the final of Bs. As. 2002 when Massu defeated Calleri???? The crowd behavior was awful too.

awful too? Then, you are admitting that the crowd was awful with Gaudio on Sunday.
Anyway, it's true the Argentine public did not behave well in that match with Massuh (I don't think the Argentine public should be the standard for anything). But at least Calleri did not manipulate the crowd against him as Gonzalez did last week.
The bottom line is: if you give a top player a wild card, and you want him to came back next year, you must spoil him, not insult him. Just see the way the Argentine public treat Moya every time he comes to Buenos Aires.
My impression is the Chilean public does not give a damm about Gaudio playing there.

Fergie
02-08-2005, 10:27 AM
no chileans in buenos aires...............doesnt matter.
no argentineans in viña del mar......the tournament transforms into a challenger.
The argentineans always will come here because they need the points and the money of course :o ... Of course whe can wait for a better words to a person to said openly that hates the chileans :rolleyes:

Is funny how nobody remember the match Massu-Gasquet when the crowd scream in all the points cheering for Gasquet even when Massu serve or lost a point with a u.e ... I know, it's more easy to criticize others :o

Thanks God Gonzalez is a nice person and reply to Mariano: "A professional must be prepared to play with public in against or to favor. The only thing that I can be afraid it's for my physical integrity or an injury. It gives me the same thing what they me could shout. But to speak across the press does not seem to me. I like to do news for positive things". ... Well done Fernando, you don't need cry in the newspapers :angel:

Julio1974
02-08-2005, 10:46 AM
The argentineans always will come here because they need the points and the money of course :o ... Of course whe can wait for a better words to a person to said openly that hates the chileans :rolleyes:

Is funny how nobody remember the match Massu-Gasquet when the crowd scream in all the points cheering for Gasquet even when Massu serve or lost a point with a u.e ... I know, it's more easy to criticize others :o

Thanks God Gonzalez is a nice person and reply to Mariano: "A professional must be prepared to play with public in against or to favor. The only thing that I can be afraid it's for my physical integrity or an injury. It gives me the same thing what they me could shout. But to speak across the press does not seem to me. I like to do news for positive things". ... Well done Fernando, you don't need cry in the newspapers :angel:

Do you really think that a top ten like Gaudio needs the points of Viña del mar or the Buenos Aires ATP? A different matter is for players of the level of Zabaleta, Calleri, Chela. As I said before, my impression is that gaudio will not come back because the Chilean public is not interested in watching Gaudio. Otherwise, you would treat him well. They are just interested in watching Gonzalez win, even against a player in wheelechair.
As for Zabaleta comments, you must remember that he was phisically attacked once (and his family too). He has the right to be concerned about the crowd reactions.

Carito_90
02-08-2005, 11:02 AM
The player shouldn't be insentivating the crowd for support.

"A professional must be prepared to play with public in against or to favor."

Says the man who didn't come to play in Argentina. Give me a break for god's sake.

Riley Finn
02-08-2005, 11:02 AM
Oooohhhh...I see some fans are getting cocky. YES I THINK GAUDIO NEEDS THOSE POINTS OF CLAY MICKY MOUSE EVENTS, cause once the FO is over he'll need all the points he can get there. Objectively speaking he's done shit to prove that FO was not a fluke and until he wins sth big.

Carito_90
02-08-2005, 11:05 AM
Gaudio will be in the top 20 if he gets lucky after RG, period.
He will be back because he will need the points next year if he wants to stay where he is.
He's not Federer, he's Gaudio, he could be out of the top ten like this.

Fergie
02-08-2005, 11:06 AM
Do you really think that a top ten like Gaudio needs the points of Viña del mar or the Buenos Aires ATP? A different matter is for players of the level of Zabaleta, Calleri, Chela. As I said before, my impression is that gaudio will not come back because the Chilean public is not interested in watching Gaudio. Otherwise, you would treat him well. They are just interested in watching Gonzalez win, even against a player in wheelechair.
As for Zabaleta comments, you must remember that he was phisically attacked once (and his family too). He has the right to be concerned about the crowd reactions.
And if Gaudio goes down in the ranking (of course that I don't wish that this happen) he will the points of Chile and of all the tournaments that he plays

In plus I believe that if Zabaleta had won the match not say nothing ... In the end the problems between players must arrange them between them and not across the press ;)

Fergie
02-08-2005, 11:08 AM
The player shouldn't be insentivating the crowd for support.

Says the man who didn't come to play in Argentina. Give me a break for god's sake.
He is injury and tired ... The doctor said that Gonzalez needs 3 days of rest :o

Carito_90
02-08-2005, 11:11 AM
Tired? I'm sure Gaudio is tired too.
Injury? Why do I get the feeling that if this would be Coria's case everyone would acusse him of faking?.. Anyway, come on :rolleyes:

Fergie
02-08-2005, 11:15 AM
Tired? I'm sure Gaudio is tired too.
Injury? Why do I get the feeling that if this would be Coria's case everyone would acusse him of faking?.. Anyway, come on :rolleyes:
Well, this was said the doctor who checked him in Bs As ;)

At least, this year Gonzalez has played more than Gaston and of course Gonzalez is more tired

Carito_90
02-08-2005, 11:25 AM
There's certainly no injury if he only needs 3 days of resting. Just tireness. (got my drift? cos I dont think that's even a word :lol: )... or something else.

As a profesional player he should be able to play with the crowd against him aswell as not get tired after less than a month once the season started. I don't see any other player complaining of being too tired to play.

I guess that leaves us with option number 3... something else :lol:

Julio1974
02-08-2005, 11:31 AM
Considering that Moya and Nadal are playing in Buenos Aires, I think nobody is gonna miss a player that the only thing he knows is to play with the forehand. Rios could have beaten Gonzalez with a tied hand. I also think Massuh is much more versatile than Gonzalez, and much stronger mentally.

Fergie
02-08-2005, 11:33 AM
It's funny how now all the pwople is worry for Gonzalez :p ... Oh yes, it's because Zabaleta open his (awful) mouth :lol:

I want to know when they will play in a neutral zone which will be the excuse when Mariano lose :o

Feña doesn't need this bad advertising maybe Mariano yes, who knows ;)

Julio1974
02-08-2005, 11:41 AM
I don't thnik it's a excuse. Who can argue than Gonzalez is a better player than Zabaleta and he will probably defeat the Argentine in every place they play? But Gonzalez should have cared more about the way foreign players are treated in Chile.
I just hope he learnt that his tacticts did not bear any fruit, and Gaudio gave him a tennis lesson in front of his beloved public.

Fergie
02-08-2005, 12:16 PM
I really don't think that Gonzalez did something wrong, he just motivated the crowd to give him force ... Other players do it the same, but also I think that depends that the side that you saw this

I'm really unhappy with Mariano's words ... But for me it's ok because he is home and can say everything that he wants

Too much about Chile-Argentina for now ... I like almost all the players (Gaston, Chucho, Agustin and others) and I don't want to follow this discussion, I just want to enjoy the tennis :D

Aguante_el_Gato
02-08-2005, 12:17 PM
I believe that we don't have to confuse the points. In one side it's the behavior of the public, and on the other side Gonzalez's attitude.
Respect to the public,
What can we say Argentineans, Brazilian, Chileans and etc etc etc , . ? Our public is prone to have behavior badly, and it is by an education problem that has our society in general. (the same it is for Acapulco, where the behavior perhaps can seem very good, but it is necessary to remember that at the moment they do not have
local players at a great level)
On the other side it's Gonzalez's attitude within the court, that it's what mainly is questioning Zabaleta (that always has been a gentleman within courts). In this point, I believe that Gonzalez committed an error urging the public.
(Sorry for my bad english)

Carito_90
02-08-2005, 12:21 PM
Yeah no I'm not worried about Gonzales, whatever happens to him is not my problem. I hope he doesn't get injured because it's not fair, not for him nor for any player.

Fergie, Mariano said what he wanted to say. He probably meant it. If Fernando didn't say anything against Mariano it's probably because he doesn't think anything bad about him.

Anyway, let's move on, it's getting kinda boring already. No one will change each other's mind so lets just all be close minded and stick to our own opinions :D :lol: jk

Aguante_el_Gato
02-08-2005, 12:22 PM
perhaps Zabaleta also committed an error when doing public its anger with Gonzalez. Perhaps it must it have spoken directly with him

Fergie
02-08-2005, 12:26 PM
perhaps Zabaleta also committed an error when doing public its anger with Gonzalez. Perhaps it must it have spoken directly with him
Exactly my words ... But too much of this now, right? ;)

BlackSilver
02-08-2005, 01:19 PM
Yes the crowd behavior was bad, the chileans were crying out in the errors of Gaudio and Zabaleta, they should be ashamed of themselves and bla bla bla.

The bottom line is that tennis in south america always was this way and always will be, and there is nothing that can be made to change this fact.

Elwing
02-08-2005, 01:25 PM
I agree is an education problem
I agree the crawd in south america ads colour to the matches
I agree is enough of the Chile - Argentina discussion

and i have to add, regardless of some of the post, i really like the way this thread was carried on, with education and respect, i think we can expect the same respect to come down from the tribunes in a future... :)

Experimentee
02-08-2005, 01:29 PM
The South American crowd have a reputation for this, and I think that its ok to cheer loudly for their countrymen but its wrong to actively do something to put off the opponent, like cheer for double faults.
I dont think Gaudio minds much though, he said before the match that he preferred to play Gonzalez because the crowd would be with him, and he knows what the Chilean crowd are like, so I think he enjoys it.

Julio1974
02-08-2005, 01:36 PM
[QUOTE=Experimentee]The South American crowd have a reputation for this,

Just one more comment. I still think that the Americans tend to do the same in the US Open. To give you an example, just see the difference in the public behavor in Roddick-Nalbandian (US Open 2003) and Nalbandian-Hewiltt (Australia 2005). SO, don't limit the bad bad behavor only to South Americans!!!!! (hahahahahah)

Experimentee
02-08-2005, 01:36 PM
You miss some matches. US Open has the worst crowd in Grand Slams.

The US Open is not that bad. The French Open is the worst in Grand Slams.

Experimentee
02-08-2005, 01:40 PM
[QUOTE=Experimentee]The South American crowd have a reputation for this,

Just one more comment. I still think that the Americans tend to do the same in the US Open. To give you an example, just see the difference in the public behavor in Roddick-Nalbandian (US Open 2003) and Nalbandian-Hewiltt (Australia 2005). SO, don't limit the bad bad behavor only to South Americans!!!!! (hahahahahah)

I dont think they booed or screamed at Nalbandian. It was just cheering loudly for Roddick. In Australia it was the same.

Julio1974
02-08-2005, 01:41 PM
I do not have that impression of the French Open (I did not watch the match between Massu and Gasquett, sorriy Fergie!).

I only recall one match, with one of the Williams sisters (I think it was Serena) against Henin. That day, the crowd was too hostile against Serena.

Hendu
02-08-2005, 02:07 PM
Oooohhhh...I see some fans are getting cocky. YES I THINK GAUDIO NEEDS THOSE POINTS OF CLAY MICKY MOUSE EVENTS, cause once the FO is over he'll need all the points he can get there. Objectively speaking he's done shit to prove that FO was not a fluke and until he wins sth big.

I guess 5 consecutive finals in clay tournaments means nothing to you... :o

A fluke?... please... he doesn't have to prove anything, he played great (sometimes awesome) tennis and beated Cañas, Novak, Enquist, Hewitt and Nalbandian before facing Coria in the final... he won, he deserved to win, get over it!!!

Julio1974
02-08-2005, 02:15 PM
I guess 5 consecutive finals in clay tournaments means nothing to you... :o

A fluke?... please... he doesn't have to prove anything, he played great (sometimes awesome) tennis and beated Cañas, Novak, Enquist, Hewitt and Nalbandian before facing Coria in the final... he won, he deserved to win, get over it!!!

I saw the same post but I did not even bother to respond. There are people who cannot appreciate Gaudio's talent but prefer some players whose only asset is a good service. As McEnroe once said, many top players now could not have played tennis 20 yrs ago with small rackets.

Experimentee
02-08-2005, 02:37 PM
Gaudio proved before and after RG that he is always a top player on clay. I agree it is not worth responding to anyone who suggests otherwise :rolleyes:

Denaon
02-08-2005, 03:01 PM
:haha: :lol:
reading this is absolutely hilarious!!!!!!!!!!!!

Auscon
02-08-2005, 03:06 PM
Booing off Patrick Rafter at the US Open, last time I looked he wasn't black.

I'm glad I wasnt around here when that went down (if this message board was even around back then)....I wouldve been ranting for ages

Auscon
02-08-2005, 03:09 PM
Personally, I think the eskimos are the worst tennis crowd

they give any player, even their own, such an icy reception


ok, you can kill me now....

BlackSilver
02-08-2005, 03:12 PM
Gaudio IS currently the best clay player in the world and has been since june of the last year. While it's really true that he needs another fine performance on one of the top clay events, someone saying with sure that he will need the points of the "mickey mouse events" to sustain a good position on the ranking, is taking enormous chances to make himself a fool, even existing some reasons to think this way.

About the mickey mouse events........the Buenos Aires event will bring all currently best clay players of the world (taking off coria) so I don't think that
the ATP tour of Buenos Aires is inferior to ANY hardcourt event of this time of year. Actually I doubt that any other tournament disputed at the moment has as much depth as Buenos Aires ATP Tour.

hablovah19
02-08-2005, 04:18 PM
Do you really think that a top ten like Gaudio needs the points of Viña del mar or the Buenos Aires ATP? A different matter is for players of the level of Zabaleta, Calleri, Chela. As I said before, my impression is that gaudio will not come back because the Chilean public is not interested in watching Gaudio. Otherwise, you would treat him well. They are just interested in watching Gonzalez win, even against a player in wheelechair.
As for Zabaleta comments, you must remember that he was phisically attacked once (and his family too). He has the right to be concerned about the crowd reactions.

:eek: :eek:

Jenrios
02-08-2005, 04:22 PM
Interesting discussion here. I remember reading how great pundits thought the Chilean chanting was at the Olympics. In a player's 'home tournament', I don't think you'd expect anything less than a partisan crowd. Maybe the Chileans are more vocal. Personally, I've always enjoyed the chant - have joined in myself at RG, Cincinnatti and the US Open. One of the best atmospheres of a match I was present at was when Massu played Lapentti at the US Open - great fun all round and enjoyed by both sets of supporters.

It really is up to the umpire to keep control anyway.

Jenrios
02-08-2005, 04:30 PM
As for other tournaments - the French crowd are among the worst - both at RG and Bercy - the latter, Pioline once re-acted furiously when he was bokoed off court, and someone used a mirror to blind a player's serve there as well.

As for the US Open - one only has to remember Mac playing Lendl, with 20,000 Americans baying for Lendl's blood and how Connors worked the crowd.

As for Wimbledon - 'Henmania' literally turns my stomach.....especially applauding double faults, such as when Tim played Harhouse (excuse sp).

Jenrios
02-08-2005, 04:31 PM
what say of rios behaviour on court... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

and what behaviour would that be then?

Jenrios
02-08-2005, 04:32 PM
it's also worth keeping in mind the final was a match between 2 local rivals - the crowd is bound to be more intense.

Riley Finn
02-08-2005, 04:37 PM
To all those blind Gaudio and clay tennis fans:

Pls ask before assuming anything. No one said that Gaudio is not one of the best players on clay, well that wasn't me for sure. Gaudio is one of my fave dirt ballers out there and when he's not choking his matches away I enjoy watching him. However if sb is as cocky and claims that he's a top 10 player throughout a calendar year then please deduct RG points and see with how many points he's left. Please see his activity last year and tell me what he did in other GS,MS events that is so special.
Seeing how he'd done nothing before FO (except for Barca) and only performed well on clay during summer season prevents me from declaring him a top 10 guy for good. Maybe he'll prove me wrong, but for now FO was a fluke for me. I'm very happy he took it beating Hewitt and Coria on his way to the title, but that doesn't change a thing. Gaudio is a top 30 player, possibly a top 20 player, and I will be very surprised if he stays in the top 10 after RG.Been there,done that meaning that I 'offended' Costa fans. Pls be a little bit more objective. Even though I can't stand Coria and I like Gaudio,I can admit who the better player is and who a top 10 guy between those 2 is.

As for Micky Mouse events...I call all the tournaments right now MM events...

tangerine_dream
02-08-2005, 04:52 PM
The bottom line is that tennis in south america always was this way and always will be, and there is nothing that can be made to change this fact.

The fact that it's always been like this, that they have a reputation for it, that they don't realize that it's not a DC match, etc. etc. excuses, excuses still does not make it acceptable behavior.

BlackSilver
02-08-2005, 04:55 PM
excuses, excuses still does not make it acceptable behavior.

Well, obviously, so?

User id 7816
02-08-2005, 04:59 PM
Maybe he'll prove me wrong


There's time for that, don't worry :)

Riley Finn
02-08-2005, 05:01 PM
I know, but Costa and Johansson are yet to prove me wrong.

*Viva Chile*
02-08-2005, 05:05 PM
Chilean crowd have bad behavior
Argentinean crowd have bad behavior
Brazilean crowd have bad behavior

That's all...

:topic: :topic: :topic: :topic: :topic:

Denaon
02-08-2005, 05:15 PM
... Gaudio is a top 30 player, possibly a top 20 player, and I will be very surprised if he stays in the top 10 after RG.Been there,done that meaning that I 'offended' Costa fans. Pls be a little bit more objective. Even though I can't stand Coria and I like Gaudio,I can admit who the better player is and who a top 10 guy between those 2 is....

I completely disagree. Gaudio will prove u wrong. He did actually win RG by surprise, very few saw it coming, including u I suppose. Personally I have said for years that :cat: is far the most talented player in Argentina, and that we had to wait until he could make some noise. He finally did it, and I believe that he'll stay some time in Top 10. His lack of confidence seems to be fading away, and if it's so, u'll think it over to underrate his play.

BlackSilver
02-08-2005, 05:15 PM
No one said that Gaudio is not one of the best players on clay, well that wasn't me for sure. Gaudio is one of my fave dirt ballers out there and when he's not choking his matches away I enjoy watching him.

Well this was not the impression that you passed to everybody, your previous post was very aggressive against Gaudio, no one could imagine that you consider Gaudio one of you fave dirt ballers

As I said before, I agree with you in that, Gaudio still has to have good performance in other big events. But certainly Gaudio's performance in RG wasn't a fluke, it was the opposite. Strange is that he never had a very good performance in RG before or other big vlay tournaments

s for Micky Mouse events...I call all the tournaments right now MM events...

In this case, you consider all non MS and GS events mickey mouse events?

Riley Finn
02-08-2005, 05:19 PM
will reply tomorrow...need to run now

smucav
02-09-2005, 01:09 AM
http://www.sportsmediainc.com/tennisweek/index.cfm?func=showarticle&newsid=12389&bannerregion=Zabaleta: Gonzalez Incited Chilean Crowd's Bad Behavior
By Tennis Week
02/08/2005

Mariano Zabaleta and Fernando Gonzalez won't be sharing the court as practice partners anytime soon. Zabaleta criticized the 14th-ranked Chilean for inciting unruly crowd behavior during Gonzalez's 4-6, 7-6, 7-6 victory over Zabaleta in the quarterfinals of last week's BellSouth Open in Vina del Mar, Chile.

The 50th-ranked Zabaleta, who has lost three of four career meetings with Olympic gold medallist, said Gonzalez violated the unwritten player's code of conduct by encouraging misconduct from the partisan crowd.

"He broke the codes of tennis, because you can't do what he did," Zabaleta told the Argentine news agency Telam in comments reprinted by Reuters. "There's no need to generate violence or the resentment of the public against a visitor to win a match."

The 26-year-old Argentine claims Chilean fans were verbally abusive to his support team throughout the match.

"(They insulted) my coach, my physiotherapist and a friend of mine," Zabaleta said. "These things don't happen in Argentina, people encourage the home players, but without disrespecting the visiting player."

Intent on avenging his latest loss to Gonzalez at this week's Buenos Aires clay-court event, Zabaleta suggested Gonzalez pulled out of the event to avoid the meeting. Gonzalez, who scored a 6-3, 6-4 victory over Zabaleta in the second round of last month's Auckland event, has won 11 of 13 matches this season. The Auckland champion reached the Vina del Mar final, falling to another Argentine, reigning Roland Garros champion Gaston Gaudio, 6-3, 6-4.

"I wanted to play Gonzalez (in Buenos Aires) because we could have met in the quarter-finals, but it appears he can't be bothered if the crowd aren't in his favor," said Zabaleta, who beat Spain's Alex Calatrava, 6-3, 6-2 in yesterday's first round of Buenos Aires.

Bad blood between Zabaleta and Chilean fans goes back to incidents in 2000 and 2002.

Three years ago, a meeting between Zabaleta and Chile's Marcelo Rios in Vina del Mar began as a tennis match, but ended in an ugly episode reminiscent of the WWF. Chilean fans responded to the defeat of hometown hero Rios with an unruly outburst, hurling plastic water bottles onto the court while the players were ushered off by a security guard after Zabaleta's victory.

"It was a pity it finished like that, because we had been playing some good tennis," Zabaleta said after the incident. "People must realize anybody can win or lose. It makes me think if I really want to return to play here next year. I am not frightened, but you have to be careful — it could get uglier."

ATP spokesman Benito Perez Barbadillo claimed the incident was incited by a small group of fans and was not indicative of the entire crowd.

"It was an isolated incident," Perez Barbadillo told Reuters. "It was just 15 or 20 people and I do not believe you can judge the whole crowd by the actions of a few."

It isn't the first time Chilean fans have come under criticism for volatile behavior. During a Davis Cup tie Chile hosted against Argentina in April of 2000, a near-riot erupted after Chilean fans became incensed over line calls. Fans tossed chairs, coins, bottles and fruit onto the court forcing the Argentine team to flee for safety. The Argentine team refused to finish the tie, which was suspended. Zabaleta was leading Nicolas Massu when that incident occurred.

The International Tennis Federation, which is the governing body of Davis Cup, fined Chile and suspended it from hosting ties for three years before later reducing its ban by one year.

MagoRG
02-09-2005, 02:01 AM
If you don't remember it doesn't mean that hasn't happened :angel:

And Gaudio will back, he always play here ;)

That didnt happen...and if it did....great way to justify the chilean crowd behaviour.

I dont know if Gaudio will be back.....but you`ll still have Massu and Gonzalez.

MagoRG
02-09-2005, 02:03 AM
Poor Zabaleta ... He just speaks because is in Argentina :o

Looks like he don't remember when played against Rios in Bs As 2002 :o

Why?? Was the crowd throwing chairs?? ohhh.....tha was in Chile?
RIGHT!!!

tennischick
02-09-2005, 02:08 AM
Zabaleta is wrong when he said that this would not happen in Argentina. i was in Rosario a few years ago for a tennis match and the same crap happened. this has to do with bad blood between 2 countries that gets played out in sports matches all the time. i remember another time that the ATP fined BOTH countries for unsportsmanlike behavior during a Davis Cup match -- altho' i think Chile faced the larger sanction.

i'm glad that everyone is safe and well. but i don't know an Argentine sportsman who goes to play in Chile and doesn't expect to have to deal with crap. and vice versa.

MagoRG
02-09-2005, 02:10 AM
[QUOTE=GeorgeWHitler]I love the crowd atmosphere in South America it gives the events colour that they are really into it.

Of course these crowds are going to cheer for their players I mean what do you expect a Chilean playing an Argentine in the final of an event in Chile, and Gaudio isn't going to get a lot of support in the match from the local fans, and it's the same vice versa.

QUOTE]
Looks like you did NOT watch the match....cheering for Gonzalez is NOT the same as shouting after the opponent tossed the ball to serve. Is it?

MagoRG
02-09-2005, 02:18 AM
[QUOTE=Julio1974]

I dont think they booed or screamed at Nalbandian. It was just cheering loudly for Roddick. In Australia it was the same.

I think they did. They screamed during a point when nalbandian was 2 sets to 1 and 4-2 in the fourth set TB.

Coleburg83
02-09-2005, 02:38 AM
Is that you in the picture Denaon?

*Viva Chile*
02-09-2005, 02:47 AM
Is that you in the picture Denaon?

No, she is Gabriela Sabatini, the former argentinean player :lol:

Coleburg83
02-09-2005, 03:03 AM
Heh, it's been too long.

Julio1974
02-09-2005, 02:44 PM
Por su parte el español Almagro aseguró que está muy feliz de estar haciendo por primera vez la gira Latinoamericana y, por eso se anima y compara: "En Argentina la gente es distinta a la chilena, porque son más respetuosos". "No puede ser que insulten a los rivales. Eso no se puede ver en ninguna cancha. No se puede generar un ambiente tan hostil para que el tenista local gane", plegándose de esta manera a la posición de los jugadores argentinos.

Carito_90
02-09-2005, 02:53 PM
For the ones who didn't understand the post above:

The spaniard Nicolas Almagro claimed he is very happy for making for the first time the latinamerican tour, and compares: "In Argentina people are differen than in Chile, because they're more respectful". "It can't be possible that they insult the rivals. That shouldn't be seen in any court. You can't create such a mean atmosphere so the local tennis player wins."

Sorry if there's any mistake (Which I'm sure there is :lol: )

Denaon
02-09-2005, 02:57 PM
Is that you in the picture Denaon?
:eek: :lol: :haha:
I like being a boy, but I'd be Gaby for a while if u want me to. :devil:

Riley Finn
02-09-2005, 06:20 PM
Well this was not the impression that you passed to everybody, your previous post was very aggressive against Gaudio, no one could imagine that you consider Gaudio one of you fave dirt ballers

As I said before, I agree with you in that, Gaudio still has to have good performance in other big events. But certainly Gaudio's performance in RG wasn't a fluke, it was the opposite. Strange is that he never had a very good performance in RG before or other big vlay tournaments



In this case, you consider all non MS and GS events mickey mouse events?

First of all my post was not aggressive against Gaudio. More like aggresive towards the poster. Secondly for a player who had never reached 4th round in a slam before RG 2004 it had to be a fluke performance,unless he wants to prove me otherwise in the future.

And this week's events are all Mickey Mouse ones.

Carolinita
02-09-2005, 06:38 PM
Por su parte el español Almagro aseguró que está muy feliz de estar haciendo por primera vez la gira Latinoamericana y, por eso se anima y compara: "En Argentina la gente es distinta a la chilena, porque son más respetuosos". "No puede ser que insulten a los rivales. Eso no se puede ver en ninguna cancha. No se puede generar un ambiente tan hostil para que el tenista local gane", plegándose de esta manera a la posición de los jugadores argentinos.
:haha: ...no me haga reir este chico que recien viene saliendo de jugar challegers...como se nota que es un chiquitín que aún no ha tenido que entrar a un estadio atestado de fans del jugador local en otros lugares del mundo...ad+ nadie lo molestó en su partido asi que no sé qué tanto habla...entiendo que quiere ser conocido, pero mejor siga jugando y ganando lo que pueda, que esa es la forma....
....otro dato curioso es que todos se pusieron a hablar despues de terminado el torneo, cuando ya ninguno estaba en Chile.... primero arrancaron y despues hablaron :lol:

ah y por ultimo, el mismo oficial de la ATP que superviso el torneo de Viña y el de Bs Aires ratifico que aqui no acurrio nada anormal, que la gente se comporto bien y que no tienen cabida las palabras de Zabaleta. Aqui les dejo el link: http://www.terra.cl/deportes/index.cfm?accion=tenis&id_reg=462337

*Viva Chile*
02-09-2005, 07:05 PM
For the ones who didn't understand the post above:

The spaniard Nicolas Almagro claimed he is very happy for making for the first time the latinamerican tour, and compares: "In Argentina people are differen than in Chile, because they're more respectful". "It can't be possible that they insult the rivals. That shouldn't be seen in any court. You can't create such a mean atmosphere so the local tennis player wins."

Sorry if there's any mistake (Which I'm sure there is :lol: )

I don't know why Almagro also talks about it... :rolleyes: The chilean crowd was very respectful with him... and only waves to Fernando in that match.

And for Julio 1974... if you really want to create discredit to the chileans, I think that MTF it was not created for it, this discussion already is becoming insane from your part and I think you are falling in the same cheap patriotic feelings that you're accusing us.

Julio1974
02-09-2005, 08:55 PM
Nothing against Chile. In fact, I consider Chile to be the only Latinamerican country that could get in the first world rather sooner than later. That's why my standard is higher for then than for other Latinamerican countries where the education level low, that you cannot expect anything.

fco253
02-09-2005, 08:55 PM
I watched the tourney all week...
I think the general crowd in Viña didn't do anything out of the ordinary...

But I feel why some players are angry with Fernando... what he did wasn't extremely bad, but he pulled too much local leverage .... maybe Almagro shouldn't say anything, but considering Fernando had listed Mariano as a friend, one with whom he has trained for a long time and who is one of the most righteous players in tour... well you don't pull that many antics to a friend... like pressing for calls to his own country linesmen from the beginning or shouting points to opponents in the face to start up the crowd...

I am respecting him less and less as a person after the "burn the passport" incident and now this, but it's just a personal appreciation, it's not like he cheated or that the crowd altered any score ...
In fact I must say the linesmen were very fair, even when the atmosphere was very fired up.
But in true words, nothing was out of the South America average about the crowd...

One thing: Chilean TV should change the guy who was next to Marcelo Rios, how can a "journalist" say to Gaudio: "I am gonna make sure you don't return to Chile next year"

Peace.

Fergie
02-09-2005, 11:01 PM
One thing: Chilean TV should change the guy who was next to Marcelo Rios, how can a "journalist" say to Gaudio: "I am gonna make sure you don't return to Chile next year"
I can't agree more ... Mauricio Israel is a stupid :smash:

BlackSilver
02-10-2005, 12:02 AM
irst of all my post was not aggressive against Gaudio. More like aggresive towards the poster.

I believe in you that your post was more aggresive towards the poster than Gaudio, I am just saying that this wasn't what everyone understood, wasn't clear enough.

Secondly for a player who had never reached 4th round in a slam before RG 2004 it had to be a fluke performance,unless he wants to prove me otherwise in the future.

In part yes, but at the same time his lack of good results was something really surprising, so if you think well the lack of good performance wasn't a total fluke, only partial.

And this week's events are all Mickey Mouse ones

But what do you think that isn't MM? Masters Series and Grand Slams only?

*Viva Chile*
02-10-2005, 02:07 AM
I am respecting him less and less as a person after the "burn the passport" incident and now this, but it's just a personal appreciation, it's not like he cheated or that the crowd altered any score ...


The "burn the passport" incident was a joke. I don't know why the Argentineans bothered so much with that. I'm chilean and I know perfectly that Fernando did not say it with damage intention.


One thing: Chilean TV should change the guy who was next to Marcelo Rios, how can a "journalist" say to Gaudio: "I am gonna make sure you don't return to Chile next year"

Peace.

I totally agree with you... that guy is called Mauricio Israel and I really hate him... He's an idiot :smash: and he doesn't know anything about tennis... also, he's a soccer commentator and and he didn't have anything to be there doing.

willie
02-10-2005, 04:07 AM
and what behaviour would that be then?

i reserve the words :tape:

Carito_90
02-10-2005, 04:53 AM
The "burn the passport" incident was a joke. I don't know why the Argentineans bothered so much with that. I'm chilean and I know perfectly that Fernando did not say it with damage intention.

Of COURSE we were bothered. What would happen if a player you don't like says what Gonzales said? I don't care if it's a joke, in that case, it was a really nasty joke. I don't know who I was more annoyed and disgusted with, if Gonzales or De la Peña :o

Riley Finn
02-10-2005, 06:39 AM
But what do you think that isn't MM? Masters Series and Grand Slams only?

shall I make a list? Dubai,Barca,Estoril,Queens,Rosmalen,Basel,Stuttgar d, Kitzbuhel, Vienna,Moscow...and a lot more, but I can't be bothered to check it right now.

My posts are understood the way people want to understand them.

BlackSilver
02-10-2005, 04:15 PM
shall I make a list? Dubai,Barca,Estoril,Queens,Rosmalen,Basel,Stuttgar d, Kitzbuhel, Vienna,Moscow...and a lot more, but I can't be bothered to check it right now.

My posts are understood the way people want to understand them.

From the draws that I barely remember, most of those tournaments had not anything especial compared to Buenos Aires, the technician level of most was equal or inferior, very few of these was superior. So, following your logic, all or almost all of these tournaments are MM events

Riley Finn
02-10-2005, 04:21 PM
From the draws that I barely remember, most of those tournaments had not anything especial compared to Buenos Aires, the technician level of most was equal or inferior, very few of these was superior. So, following your logic, all or almost all of these tournaments are MM events

are you for real now?

*Viva Chile*
02-10-2005, 04:28 PM
shall I make a list? Dubai,Barca,Estoril,Queens,Rosmalen,Basel,Stuttgar d, Kitzbuhel, Vienna,Moscow...and a lot more, but I can't be bothered to check it right now.

My posts are understood the way people want to understand them.

Dubai, Queens, Stuttgart and Kitzbuhel... I agree with you.

The others events they have the characteristic that are done in Europe, but aside from that they do not have any other relevance more than the South American tournaments... therefore also they are "Mickey Mouse" tournaments, as you say to them.

Riley Finn
02-10-2005, 04:45 PM
Barca,Basel and Vienna are defenitely more important and bigger tournaments than Buenos Aires. If sb claims otherwise then we have nothing to talk about. Honestly C'MON!

Julio1974
02-10-2005, 05:34 PM
Barca,Basel and Vienna are defenitely more important and bigger tournaments than Buenos Aires. If sb claims otherwise then we have nothing to talk about. Honestly C'MON!

Barcelona, yes.
Basel and Vienna, not too sure.

Riley Finn
02-10-2005, 05:47 PM
Basel cut off last year was at #96 and all top 8 seeds were guys from top 20...if you're not sure about Basel,then I question your sanity.

Jenrios
02-10-2005, 07:46 PM
i reserve the words :tape:

Please don't - I'd like to know - personally, I think it's because you maybe made that post on impulse and have no evidence to back it up:)

Jenrios
02-10-2005, 07:51 PM
I can't agree more ... Mauricio Israel is a stupid :smash:

Did Gaudio actually refuse to speak to this guy after he won the tournament, and would only speak to Rios?

Carolinita
02-10-2005, 08:04 PM
Did Gaudio actually refuse to speak to this guy after he won the tournament, and would only speak to Rios?
Yeah...Gastón didn't want to speak, but when he knew that was Marcelo who wanted to speak with him then Gastón said: I speak with you 'cause you're a big one :lol:

Jenrios
02-10-2005, 08:25 PM
Thanks Carolinita - I bet that other guy felt stupid then. What did Marcelo ask him anyway?

Carolinita
02-10-2005, 10:19 PM
Thanks Carolinita - I bet that other guy felt stupid then. What did Marcelo ask him anyway?
jaja...sorry but I don't remember! ... :confused:

Jenrios
02-11-2005, 07:41 PM
it's ok!