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Pironkov
02-04-2005, 08:46 AM
I think we need a better organisation
PAW had so many people that helped in the past... I think many of you would like to help again

We need:


someone to do the committments --> DeccyB123
People who want to update league table
Someone who can do rankings better than me (eg nitsansh :angel: )



Managers:

2/7/2005 Open 13 Marseille, France €510,250 --> Pironkov

2/14/2005 ABN AMRO World Tennis Tournament Rotterdam, The Netherlands €765,000 --> bad gambler

2/21/2005 Dubai Duty Free Men's Open Dubai, UAE $1,000,000 --> -SafiinsBaby-
2/21/2005 Abierto Mexicano de Tenis Acapulco, Mexico $643,000 --> bad gambler

3/7/2005 Pacific Life Open Indian Wells, USA $2,974,600 --> -SafiinsBaby-

3/21/2005 NASDAQ-100 Open Miami, USA $3,450,000 --> -SafiinsBaby-

4/4/2005 Open de Tenis Comunidad Valenciana --> bad gambler
4/4/2005 Grand Prix Hassan II Casablanca --> Cervantes

4/11/2005 Masters Series Monte-Carlo --> -SafiinsBaby-

4/18/2005 US Men's Claycourt Championships Houston --> Pironkov
4/18/2005 Open Seat Godó 2005 Barcelona --> Cervantes

4/25/2005 Estoril Open --> Pironkov
4/25/2005 BMW Open by Credit Suisse Munich --> -SafiinsBaby-

5/2/2005 Telecom Italia Masters Roma 2005 --> Cervantes

5/9/2005 Masters Series Hamburg --> bad gambler

5/16/2005 Internationaler Raiffeisen Grand Prix St. Poelten --> -SafiinsBaby-

5/23/2005 Roland Garros Paris --> Cervantes & Pironkov

6/6/2005 Stella Artois Championships London --> bad gambler
6/6/2005 Gerry Weber Open Halle --> nitsansh

6/13/2005 Ordina Open 's-Hertogenbosch --> Cervantes
6/13/2005 The 10tele.com Open Nottingham -->

6/20/2005 Wimbledon London --> -SaFiinsBabY-

7/4/2005 Allianz Suisse Open Gstaad --> -SaFiinsBabY-
7/4/2005 Synsam Swedish Open Bastad --> nitsansh
7/4/2005 Campbell's Hall of Fame Tennis Newport -->

7/18/2005 Mercedes Cup Stuttgart --> Cervantes
7/18/2005 RCA Championships Indianapolis --> njnetswil

7/25/2005 Generali Open Kitzbühel --> -SaFiinsBabY-
7/25/2005 Mercedes-Benz Cup Los Angeles --> kfh
7/25/2005 Croatia Open Umag -->

-SaFiinsBabY-
02-09-2005, 10:42 AM
I would like to help ...

If there are three tournaments per week ... and if we haven't got any managers ...i would choose the tournament with the most commitments and then see if others will commit too ...
I would do that ... i could run two tournaments a week ... if there arent' enough managers ;)

Pironkov - would you like to do it too - or do you just want to know who's gonna run that all? :)

Pironkov
02-09-2005, 11:15 AM
I think until we find 3-4 or more managers to keep doing only one tournament per week...

-SaFiinsBabY-
02-09-2005, 04:41 PM
Do you think we should only run only one tournament per week? :)

Pironkov
02-09-2005, 05:06 PM
Do you think we should only run only one tournament per week? :)

yeah it's better because we have not so many players
and still no managers apart from us two...

-SaFiinsBabY-
02-09-2005, 08:10 PM
Ok ... i think that's good :)
I like doing that ... so i could do that ... i really like it ... sometimes it's some work for me - but i like it ... :wavey: ;)

bad gambler
02-09-2005, 09:07 PM
ok i think its time for the big boys to step in ;)

i'll lend a hand to run the game as well on an ad hoc basis

bad gambler
02-09-2005, 09:08 PM
but i can't guarantee that my tables of the scoring will be aligned :( :fiery:

Pironkov
02-09-2005, 09:24 PM
bad gambler :bounce:

it's no problem for the tables
we need just to see who's first who's last ;) :)

SafinsBaby and you please decide who's running Rotterdam next week :)

bad gambler
02-09-2005, 09:27 PM
i'll do rotterdam

but i can;t promise the fonts and all that kind of stuff will be fancy like you guys...it will be a very simple layout

ok?

Pironkov
02-09-2005, 09:38 PM
I'm also using a simple layout
it's easy :)

so you can post the thread now if you want :)

SafinsBaby, is it ok for you if you run Dubai Duty Free ?

DeccyB123
02-10-2005, 03:49 AM
I could handle the commitments, if you wanted me to.

bad gambler
02-10-2005, 04:18 AM
deccy :wavey:

yes that would be great if you could organise commitments!

bad gambler
02-10-2005, 04:21 AM
I will do Rotterdam and Mexico the following week

DeccyB123
02-10-2005, 04:27 AM
I'll PM them too you before the tournaments.

bad gambler
02-10-2005, 04:30 AM
I'll PM them too you before the tournaments.

thanks mate :)

however just keep in mind some people don't committ in the correct thread and get lazy and just do it in the PAW thread within the tournament section

-SaFiinsBabY-
02-10-2005, 07:52 AM
Now that means we have one manager more ...
What if do ...

* one per week bad gambler
* one per week Pironkov
* one per week Safinsbaby

:wavey: ;)

-SaFiinsBabY-
02-11-2005, 08:09 AM
I'd like to do Indian Wells please :wavey:

What about Memphis next week? :)
Pleeeeeeeease ... :D

DeccyB123
02-11-2005, 08:13 AM
Memphis has a total of 3 commitments up to date, so unless you can get more...

Pironkov
02-11-2005, 08:52 AM
Thanks Deccy :D
already doing a perfect job :)

-SaFiinsBabY-
02-11-2005, 10:23 AM
Thanks Deccy ... :D

Ok ... i think it's not necessary ... ;)
But i wanna do something next week ... :sad:

-SaFiinsBabY-
02-11-2005, 10:36 AM
And if nobody wants to do Miami ... I could do it ... *smile*

bad gambler
02-11-2005, 10:52 AM
safinsbaby u starting to like running the PAW game? ;)

-SaFiinsBabY-
02-11-2005, 12:37 PM
safinsbaby u starting to like running the PAW game? ;)

*hihi*
Why do you think that? :D :rolleyes: :wavey:

-SaFiinsBabY-
02-14-2005, 07:40 AM
I think we are getting more and more players for the game :yeah:

bad gambler
02-14-2005, 07:58 AM
I think we are getting more and more players for the game :yeah:


it must be something to do with the change in managers ;)

i have PM'd pirinokov with a suggestion - i will do so for you as well

check your PM

DeccyB123
02-14-2005, 09:36 AM
just a question but how do you get the points for the match-ups?
is there some method?

bad gambler
02-14-2005, 09:41 AM
yes there is a mathematical method - i'll PM u if interested Deccy

-SaFiinsBabY-
02-14-2005, 01:09 PM
BG ... i checked my pm's and wrote back ...

What do you think about my suggestion (Memphis) ... please write back soon cause if you think that's good i have to finish that today ... :wavey: ;)

Pironkov
02-14-2005, 06:10 PM
Hey,
we'll have two tournaments per week when possible but to restrict the number of players participating is not good... many new players wont be able to get into a tournament and that will make them not wanna play PAW at all...
we won't win anything - we'll just lose new players

-SaFiinsBabY-
02-14-2005, 06:14 PM
But if we have two tournaments? Don't you think that they will be all able to play at one ... don't know ... what do you think ...

I suggested bad gambler that i could run Memphis ... and the last commitments should move to Memphis ... cause there are so many at Rotterdam ... what do you think?

bad gambler
02-15-2005, 12:02 AM
it might be too late to run memphis safinsbaby

pironkov i understand where you are coming from but my sugesstion might work - lets say we limit the players say 25 per tournament (currently there are 50 commitments in Rotterdam), any extras who want to play can get wildcards to either of the tournaments to ensure there is an even distribution of players across two tournaments

this way all players will still be able to play without restricting them to participate. And i think it will be better as there will be more variety as you will be playing different opposition on different surfaces as well on top of making our lives easier with respect to scoring - its a shame all these south american tournaments don't have PAW becuase I have received about 10 PM's asking for PAW on clay

also i think between the 3 of us we can run 2 tournaments with the other person getting a break each week - somewhat like a rotation system. I don;t know about you guys but i'm willing to try it and prepared to manage 2 PAW tournaments every 3 weeks

DeccyB123
02-15-2005, 03:52 AM
about the rankings, Pironkov, wouldn't it be better to just edit the top post every time instead of posting a new reply every week saying the rankings?

-SaFiinsBabY-
02-15-2005, 12:09 PM
That's great bad gambler ... ;)

BTW ... i'm stephi :wavey: ;)

Pironkov
02-15-2005, 05:48 PM
Lately, I'm quite busy so I don't know how often will I be able to run tournaments...

I already said why I don't like restirictions in the commitment lists
If we do our work well, soon I expect more commitments - maybe about 120-130 per week... we'll have enough people to play all ATP tournaments and we'll need managers!
If we have always 50 players per week your idea might be ok but imagine if 150 people come to play (and I really think that will happen soon) and we want to restrict 25 players per tourmanent :confused:

@ Deccy - I prefer to post it that way because firstly that way we have rankings history and secondly people know when rankings come out and not just check if I've updated :)

-SaFiinsBabY-
02-15-2005, 06:14 PM
Mh ... if that will happen ... we will make another deciation ... ok?;)

bad gambler
02-15-2005, 08:18 PM
If we have always 50 players per week your idea might be ok but imagine if 150 people come to play (and I really think that will happen soon) and we want to restrict 25 players per tourmanent :confused:

@ Deccy - I prefer to post it that way because firstly that way we have rankings history and secondly people know when rankings come out and not just check if I've updated :)


No no what i mean is although we will "restrict" to 25 players doesn;t mean that has to be the number - it can be 30 or even 35, depending how many commitments we get a week i.e. if we get 100 commitments we split the players 50 to one tournamnet and 50 to another. So when i say restriction, it is a loose term. So basically what i mean is we split the TOTAL commitments for the week into 2 tournaments.

The reasone why i say this is beacuase now Rotterdam has 65 players and it is taking me ages to do the scoring :sad:

Pironkov
02-15-2005, 08:33 PM
I know that's the reason you make such suggestions...
it's hard but from next week we'll have two tournies per week where possible :)

Thanks for your efforts, BG :wavey:

-SaFiinsBabY-
02-15-2005, 09:05 PM
Oh ... i missunderstood that ... sorry ...

Of course ... yes ... thanks BG ... :wavey:

Let's have a good work time together ... lol ... ;)

-SaFiinsBabY-
02-17-2005, 01:05 PM
Hey bad gambler & Pironkov :wavey:

Only wanna say something ... :)
On Saturday 26th February i'm going to go on holiday again ... with school ... and i can't update the last two days of Dubai ... hope someone can do that for me ... thanks very much :wavey:

I will be away till 5th March ... but i can't come to here ... cause there's no internet ... :rolleyes:

Thanks ... ;)

Pironkov
02-17-2005, 07:29 PM
Have no worries, Stephi :) :wavey:

-SaFiinsBabY-
02-17-2005, 07:34 PM
Have no worries, Stephi :) :wavey:

Thanks ... :) :hug:

-SaFiinsBabY-
03-12-2005, 06:43 AM
Hey u ...

I see nobody has yet said who would like to run NASDAQ-100 Open in Miami ...
I could if nobody wants ... cause i have holidays when they are playing in Miami ;)

:wavey:

bad gambler
03-12-2005, 07:54 AM
that sounds good steph if you say you have bit of time, you can do miami as well :wavey:

school holidays? i wish i were still at school :sad:

Cervantes
03-12-2005, 12:53 PM
just a question but how do you get the points for the match-ups?
is there some method?

hi, i'm not a manager, but i'd like to know the scoring points too. i can't seem to find it anywhere on the forums. is it complicated?

-SaFiinsBabY-
03-12-2005, 01:12 PM
@ bad gambler ... yes school holidays and that's exactly that week ... so would have time ;)

@ Cervantes

It's a special formula ... bad gambler or Pironkov could you please send me the formula per pm ... cause my computer broke down a few weeks ago and i don't have the formula any more ... i know it how to calculate that ... nevertheless i'd like to have it ...
thank you ... :wavey:

bad gambler
03-13-2005, 04:59 AM
Steph and Pironkov,

I will manage valencia tournament as I should be relatively free during that week

-SaFiinsBabY-
03-13-2005, 12:25 PM
Great :) :wavey:

I have a question ... could i run all austrian tournaments? there are only 3 per year ... cause i'm from austria ;)
Would be cool ... :)


stephi

Pironkov
03-13-2005, 01:44 PM
Hey guys :)
Stephi will run Miami, BG will run Valencia and I'll try to run Casablanca :)

@ Stephi and Cervantes - I sent the formula ;)

-SaFiinsBabY-
03-13-2005, 04:26 PM
Hey guys :)
Stephi will run Miami, BG will run Valencia and I'll try to run Casablanca :)

@ Stephi and Cervantes - I sent the formula ;)

Ok thanks ... and what about the austrian tournaments? :worship: :)

-SaFiinsBabY-
03-13-2005, 06:08 PM
Another question ...

What do you think of a new thread for wildcards, cause it's a bit confusing ...
i think it would be easier for us ... ;)

Pironkov
03-14-2005, 08:10 AM
Of course you can run the Austrian tournaments ;) :)

and what WC thread are you speaking about?

-SaFiinsBabY-
03-15-2005, 01:21 PM
Thanks ... :)

Yes ... cause that would be easier for us ... some people write their question for a wildcard in different threads ... some days ago i had the same case ... :wavey:

bad gambler
03-17-2005, 08:48 PM
hey steph :wavey:

to answer your question, my impression (and i think also the fairest) thing to do is when a player retires, you get a replacement pick

not sure what pirinokov thinks

-SaFiinsBabY-
03-17-2005, 09:07 PM
I think that would be ok ... let's wait until tomorrow ... ;)
I'll do the rankings tomorrow ... :wavey:

Pironkov
03-18-2005, 10:39 AM
Yes, in PAW when a player retires you get a replacement :)

Cervantes
03-19-2005, 05:12 AM
Wasn't PAW originally from WTA World? They have a rules & FAQ section which handles retirements and it says after the first point has been played the pick stands.

Pironkov
03-19-2005, 07:40 AM
OMG yes

:rolleyes: @ me :smash:
where was my head :lol:

Thanks Cervantes :wavey:

well from next week on if there're any questions please go read the FAQ section on wtaworld :p

Pironkov
03-19-2005, 07:41 AM
BUT in yesterday's case when Agassi retired BEFORE the match vs Hewitt you CAN replace the pick :)

bad gambler
03-19-2005, 07:44 AM
surely we can change that rule for MTF pirinokov?

it seems more fair to everyone :)

Pironkov
03-19-2005, 07:46 AM
I'd prefer not to do that because the game is not mine and there are rules made by the inventors of the game :)

Cervantes
03-21-2005, 07:27 AM
@Pironkov: thanks for the formula on how to calculate scores

If you need help calculating scores for each match in Miami I can do that. I'm not sure if I have the time to do future tournaments, but I can help you out for the moment.

-SaFiinsBabY-
03-21-2005, 09:38 AM
Hey ...

i would like to do Monte Carlo ... :worship: :cool:

hope this is possible :wavey:

Pironkov
03-21-2005, 02:01 PM
@ Cervantes - ask SafiinsBaby to see if she needs help :)

@ Stephy - yes, of course you can :D

Cervantes
03-22-2005, 09:51 AM
So far it doesn't seem like she needs the help. Who's doing Valencia and Casablanca? I'd like to give it a try and do one of the smaller tournaments to see if I can manage it.

DeccyB123
03-22-2005, 10:04 AM
Good news for next week! A lot of people have committed to Valencia, but a fair few have committed for Casablanca as well. :)

Pironkov
03-22-2005, 11:55 AM
Top post with the managers is updated :) ;)

Cervantes
03-24-2005, 09:17 AM
Ok, so I'll do Casablanca. Can anyone send me an example of how you keep track of the scores?

Pironkov
03-24-2005, 10:34 AM
what do you mean?

Cervantes
03-24-2005, 08:52 PM
I mean, do you guys have a system to keep track of everybody's picks and scores? Or do you just enter every pick in a word document and then add 'm up.

bad gambler
03-24-2005, 08:55 PM
yep have to do it manually unfortunately

Pironkov
03-25-2005, 08:11 AM
I use Excel not Word, but anyway you you have to do this manually...

Cervantes
03-25-2005, 07:07 PM
@Pironkov: can you mail me an example of an old tournament: mschrijvershof@yahoo.com

Pironkov
03-27-2005, 10:58 AM
I've deleted it sorry...
but I really don't do anything special

if you can use the AutoSum function tho it will help :)

-SaFiinsBabY-
03-27-2005, 04:16 PM
What do you mean ...

I have some things of Dubai or Pacific Life Open ... what do you want ... or what do you mean ...

I saved all the rankings and scoring points and so on in word ...

Don't really know what you mean ... *confused*

Cervantes
03-27-2005, 04:42 PM
@Safiinsbaby: can you send me your word files so I can see how you do it? I just want it to go easy as possible, no use in making things hard on myself.

Cervantes
04-01-2005, 07:17 PM
@Safiinsbaby: thanks for the files, they were very helpful in making the thread. now all we need is more players but I've advertised a bit in the Miami thread so hopefully that'll work out ;)

Cervantes
04-02-2005, 07:58 AM
Uhm, another question, to calculate scoring points I'll have to use Monday's ranking, right? That would mean I could only start Monday morning. Does anyone know of an updated ranking with results from Miami (except for Federer and Nadal) included? Or do I use this week's ranking?

Pironkov
04-02-2005, 03:53 PM
You can use this week's rankings :)

Cervantes
04-02-2005, 07:57 PM
Ok, I'll use this week's ranking for the first round, and from then on the I use the new ranking (4/4/05), ok?

Pironkov
04-03-2005, 09:11 AM
If you do the first round with this week's rankings you can't change!

just use this week's rankings :) :)

-SaFiinsBabY-
04-03-2005, 09:53 AM
No problem Cervantes ;)

Good luck :wavey:

Cervantes
04-03-2005, 08:46 PM
ok, I'll use the pre-Miami rankings then for the entire tournament then. Too bad I couldn't find updated rankings on Saturday, but I don't think it really matters for the tournament anyway.

DeccyB123
04-10-2005, 08:49 AM
Hey Pironkov, when June comes around could I start starting the commitments threads please. I just need an easier way to sort the commitments (not that it's that hard)

Pironkov
04-10-2005, 09:26 AM
OK, of course :D ;)

but how will you make running commitments easier :confused:

DeccyB123
04-10-2005, 09:32 AM
Thanx Pironkov :wavey:

I think I'll just do one month at a time instead of two, maybe a few other things if i think of them.

-SaFiinsBabY-
04-10-2005, 12:49 PM
What do you think of a thread for Wildcards ... i think it's necessary...

DeccyB123
04-13-2005, 10:30 AM
Hey Pironkov, could I run a Pick-A-Double game, like that on wtaworld but with varied rules. Here's what I'm thinking. We use the PAW points system for saying how many points each of the two players each match recieve. People could pick any double they wanted, and if it payed off they would be awarded the first players points plus the second players points.

eg: YOU HAVE PAW POINTS
Marat Safin v Lleyton Hewitt (8-12)
Andy Roddick v Roger Federer (14-6)

And you picked the double:

PAD 1: Federer/Safin (14)

and it payed off you would get 6 + 8 = 14 points

If either player lost though, you would get 0 points.

What do you think? Do you understand it? :wavey:

-SaFiinsBabY-
04-13-2005, 04:42 PM
I think that's quite a good idea ... :)

Pironkov
04-13-2005, 06:31 PM
yes, I see what you mean DeccyB123 :)

if you want to run a game ok but I don't think that has to do anything with PAW which is run now...
in other words, I think it's much better if you want to manage a PAW doubles game (with doubles draw in tournaments) but it's your decision :)

Cervantes
04-13-2005, 06:41 PM
yes, I see what you mean DeccyB123 :)

if you want to run a game ok but I don't think that has to do anything with PAW which is run now...
in other words, I think it's much better if you want to manage a PAW doubles game (with doubles draw in tournaments) but it's your decision :)

I agree, I think it's best to stick to PAW only for the moment, just to keep things running smoothly. We're having enough trouble to run two PAW tournaments a week, so to organize a different game simultaniously would only require more managers.

:topic: Do we have managers for Barcelona and Houston next week? I could run one of them if necessary.

Pironkov
04-13-2005, 07:42 PM
Deccy, can you please send us the commitments for the next week
btw, ppl remember that we need atleast 12 commitments to run a tournament :)

me and Cervantes for next week (Barcelona and Houston) :)

@ Cervantes: Please take the tournament with the more commitments :p

Thanks :wavey:

bad gambler
04-14-2005, 06:22 AM
guys just to let you know in advance, I will do the majority of the asia pacific tournaments that will occur later this year - i.e. japan, beijing, shanghai, bangkok as i have found it difficult to manage european tournaments given the time difference i face therefore meaning sometimes I don't get a chance to update the table and scoring points on a timely basis each day

Pironkov
04-14-2005, 08:45 AM
BG, that's cool :bounce:

I received the commitmenst for next week :)

so I run Houston and Cervantes Barcelona :wavey:

-SaFiinsBabY-
04-15-2005, 03:02 PM
Where are from ... i mean all ... i could run St.Poelten & Munich :)

I'm from Europe - Austria ;) :wavey:

Pironkov
04-15-2005, 11:28 PM
I'm originally from Bulgaria but now live in Germany :)

DeccyB123
04-18-2005, 07:29 AM
Is a person allowed to enter more than one PAW a week Pironkov? if there were two on could you go in both?

bad gambler
04-18-2005, 07:31 AM
Is a person allowed to enter more than one PAW a week Pironkov? if there were two on could you go in both?


no, only one PAW tournament per person per week

Pironkov
04-18-2005, 08:32 AM
no, only one PAW tournament per person per week
Yes!

-SaFiinsBabY-
04-19-2005, 02:07 PM
I'm originally from Bulgaria but now live in Germany :)

Das heißt eigentlich müsstest du mich jetzt theoretisch verstehen oder? ;)

Pironkov
04-19-2005, 02:29 PM
Jaja klar ;)

ich verstehe dich ganz gut :)

wo wohnst du genau?
ich studiere derzeit in Stuttgart :)

-SaFiinsBabY-
04-20-2005, 01:07 PM
Also ich wohne in Österreich - genauer - Deutsch-Wagram - ist in der Nähe von Wien, 4km davon entfernt :)

Pironkov
04-23-2005, 08:37 AM
Next week :)
Stephi runs Munich
I run Estoril

@ Cervantes & bad gambler: It would be great if one of you can run Roma and the other Hamburg

Thanks :wavey:

Cervantes
04-23-2005, 06:30 PM
I'll do Rome and if no one else wants to do Hamburg I can probably do that one as well.

Cervantes
04-23-2005, 06:35 PM
@Pironkov: how do you calculate the PAW ATP 2005 ranking? Do you take mandatory tournaments plus best five other tournaments or do you just add every tournament played to the rankings without a maximum of 18?

Pironkov
04-23-2005, 07:58 PM
@Pironkov: how do you calculate the PAW ATP 2005 ranking? Do you take mandatory tournaments plus best five other tournaments or do you just add every tournament played to the rankings without a maximum of 18?
I'm just adding all tournament results
can't do best 18 tournaments because it would be too complicated for me

I guess you know I'm using these ranking points :)
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=11653

DeccyB123
04-25-2005, 05:53 AM
Can someone send me the thing that works out the points please, im curious

thanx :wavey:

DeccyB123
04-27-2005, 11:50 AM
Thanx Pironkov.

Btw, I could run a tournament if no-one else wants to one week. :yeah:

Pironkov
04-27-2005, 05:44 PM
Do you want to give a try with Hamburg? ;)

DeccyB123
04-27-2005, 10:44 PM
Do you want to give a try with Hamburg? ;)
Sure :yeah:

But if anyone else wants to they can :)

bad gambler
04-27-2005, 11:30 PM
I am free for the Hamburg week, I will do it Deccy :wavey:

Maybe if you want to start off your PAW manager career with a smaller tournament? St Poelten in the following week perhaps?

DeccyB123
04-28-2005, 06:33 AM
I am free for the Hamburg week, I will do it Deccy :wavey:

Maybe if you want to start off your PAW manager career with a smaller tournament? St Poelten in the following week perhaps?
Kool :yeah:

DeccyB123
05-03-2005, 07:37 AM
-SafiinsBaby- is running St Poelton. I'll wait

-SaFiinsBabY-
05-03-2005, 12:24 PM
-SafiinsBaby- is running St Poelton. I'll wait

You can do it if you like ;)
Because probably i'll be there and I have tests at that time - so there won't be a lot of time for PAW ... :)

So ... if you want to do it - thanks ... :cool:

btw - Safinsbaby => Stephi :wavey:

Pironkov
05-03-2005, 08:26 PM
The big question - who will run ROLAND GARROS ? :wavey:

-SaFiinsBabY-
05-04-2005, 05:21 PM
Roland Garros ... mh ... i'm only the first days here ... the following i'm in Paris ...
I'm away from 24th May till 28th May ... ;)

Cervantes
05-07-2005, 11:19 PM
The big question - who will run ROLAND GARROS ? :wavey:

I'm willing to give it a try, although I do realize now I'm running Rome that I don't have the time to update the rankings and pick history every evening. It might be a good idea to have two people run the thing together, although I'm not quite sure how that would work best.

bad gambler
05-07-2005, 11:23 PM
i agree with cervantes - given the large number of players, 2 people will somehow need to run the tournament

maybe split the player field in 2 - one manager calculates one group, the other mgr another one and the someone can consolidate the results

Cervantes
05-07-2005, 11:26 PM
I was thinking about one doing the scoring points and pick history and the other calculating the rankings and checking whether all picks are valid and posted in time.

DeccyB123
05-07-2005, 11:28 PM
Over 60 players have committed to Roland Garros so far :yeah:

bad gambler
05-07-2005, 11:28 PM
yep your idea sounds good as well, lets give it a try

Cervantes
05-07-2005, 11:30 PM
so we'll do it BG? what do you want to do scoring points or rankings?

bad gambler
05-08-2005, 06:59 AM
Cervantes

I wont have the time during the first week as will be interstate on travel, so won;t be able to help out.

Deccy, is this something you would be interested in doing and helping out cervantes? :)

its.like.that
05-09-2005, 04:07 AM
I'd be more than glad to help out in the future :)... and could someone please explain the method used to calculate points?

cheers ;)

bad gambler
05-09-2005, 04:08 AM
I'd be more than glad to help out in the future :)... and could someone please explain the method used to calculate points?

cheers ;)

:eek:

DeccyB123
05-10-2005, 11:23 AM
I'd be more than glad to help out in the future :)... and could someone please explain the method used to calculate points?

cheers ;)
you still need the method??? if you do i''ll send it to you :yeah:

as for Roland Garros, sure i''ll do whatever :)

DeccyB123
05-11-2005, 09:50 AM
hamburg is a bit of shambles right now (not your fault bg) can i suggest someone be a back-up manager especially for the bigger tournaments. When the PAW thread is opened at the start of the week the back-up person could post something like "in case of emergency" right under the manager's first few posts so he/she can take over if something like this happens.

What does everyone think?

bad gambler
05-11-2005, 09:55 AM
yeah i agree - one person doing masters and GS are a bit too much

I finally have my broadband connection back so im currently sorting out the mess in Hamburg PAW at the moment

Cervantes
05-11-2005, 07:35 PM
I think it's a good idea to have a backup manager. Most important thing is to get the scoring points up soon enough, rankings are less important especially early on. I really like the idea of an "emergency post" so people can easily find all the info on the first page.

I had some trouble last week updating ranking tables in time and I see the same thing happening with RG. So for a GS we definitely need two people to run it. From what I understand DeccyB123 and myself will run it together, so we'll have to figure out a way to do that smoothly. Any suggestions are welcome.

@BG: I suggest posting pick history in alphabetical order. This way it's easier to find a person's pick history.

DeccyB123
05-14-2005, 12:06 AM
yeah i think we are cervantes, i''ll do whatever, the picks history or the ranking points i really don''t care...

As for St Poelten, should I use the old (9-5-2005) ranking sytem for the whole week or use the new ones when the ATP website updates them, around the second round?

bad gambler
05-14-2005, 01:01 AM
it doesnt matter deccy - as long as you are consistent with the ranking points used :wavey:

bad gambler
05-14-2005, 07:27 AM
I got a couple of suggestions for the managers going forward:

1. Post ba link to the rules section at the beginning of each PAW thread to avoid any confusion - there seems to be a lot of that regarding the rule about picking all selctions in the first round.

2. Stress to everyone that when they make a selection they must do it in the format as follows:

PAW X: Player 1 d Player 2

You dont know how frustrating it was for me to track everyones selections who didnt use that method :mad: :mad: :mad:

Cervantes
05-14-2005, 08:31 AM
1. Yeah, I've noticed the complaints about the rules as well, so I'll post a link to the WTA tour official PAW rules in the opening post of each tournament I run.

2. Should we make picks like "Henman loses to Kuerten" invalid? Or do these stand anyway?

-SaFiinsBabY-
05-14-2005, 11:37 AM
2,

You are right ... I find it also annoying if there are picks without any number and I have to look for the number ... :mad:
I also think that that's not fair ...
What I also think is that they should pay attention to the right spelling of the player's names ... because if I give the PAW-Player the points I make a search for the players name ... know what I mean?

:wavey:

Pironkov
05-14-2005, 11:10 PM
yup guys, I think wtaworld's method of picking (PAWX: Player A over Player B) is better and the posters should try to format the posts that way :)

btw, nitsansh already started a PAW thread for St Poelten
I don't know if he wants to run the whole tournament or Deccy will do that
nitsansh seems interested in managing PAW, don't know why he doesnt want to join our team :shrug:

DeccyB123
05-14-2005, 11:17 PM
I just woke up and saw this :shrug:

the main draw was posted overnight and i was just waiting for that to come out :shrug:

bad gambler
05-14-2005, 11:19 PM
nitsansh is always a man in a hurry ;)

Pironkov
05-14-2005, 11:21 PM
so I think you have to speak with nitsansh now...
ask him if he'll run or not
if not ask him to delete his thread and thank him for doing the scoring points for you :p

I think that's what we should do :)

Cervantes
05-18-2005, 09:30 PM
I'm not sure what's happening at the St. Poelten tournament. It seems Deccy hasn't been online for a while now (no updated scoring points or pick history) and nitsansh has kept it going with the scoring points for a while now. Shall I take over and post my "official" pick history and rankings? Or should we just wait for a while?

Also I need someone to be my backup manager at Roland Garros. Soon the main draw will be available and then the 2nd manager should have a post at the beginning of the topic, cause people will start posting picks. So anyone who feels like running the tournament with me can post something at post #3 in the PAW Roland Garros thread. Thanks.

bad gambler
05-18-2005, 10:04 PM
Cervantes,

I think Deccy said he would help out. If we dont hear a response say by tomorrow we will have to sort something out.

Cervantes
05-19-2005, 05:40 AM
Yeah, the reason I'm making this point now is that it won't be long until people start posting picks and as we discussed above it's best to have both managers have a post on the first page.

bad gambler
05-19-2005, 10:34 PM
Ok given Deccy doesnt seem to be around we need to sort something out.

As I told you before I cant help out as I will be away interstate at the end of next week and will only have limited access to the internet.

Pirinokov or steph, is this something you can help cervantes out with? I think its unfair on cervantes to be running RG by himself as it is going to take him ages to do everything.

Or maybe even its like that can help out?

bad gambler
05-19-2005, 10:36 PM
And cervantes, did you want the person to maintain the scoring only or the PAW selections?

Pironkov
05-20-2005, 06:15 AM
I can help with scoring pts for example :)

Cervantes
05-20-2005, 07:14 AM
It would be great if one of you can do the scoring points for the entire tournament, that would already save me a lot of time. I would also appreciate it if someone checked for late picks, cause I won't have the time to do that everyday. I'll do the pick history and ranking tables then.

DeccyB123
05-20-2005, 07:28 AM
SO Sorry Guys! Comp got taken in for a clean on monday and only just got it back :mad: , im quickly trying to update St Poelten now

DeccyB123
05-25-2005, 09:00 AM
Has anyone considered who''s going to run the 2 tournies the week after Roland Garros??? I won't ba able to run any until after Wimbledon cos im very busy

Cervantes
05-27-2005, 09:52 PM
I prefer to skip the week after RG, but I can do 's-Hertogenbosch in the week prior to Wimbledon.

Pironkov
05-28-2005, 07:21 PM
I can always help with scoring points :)

nitsansh
06-03-2005, 12:23 PM
nitsansh is always a man in a hurry ;)
Let me explain what happend....
I noticed that the main draw is due to start on Sunday and by late Saturday night there wasn't yet a PAW thread... so in order that players can post their picks for Sunday matches I created the thread... I thought it was urgent and appologize for the confusion...

nitsansh
06-03-2005, 12:30 PM
Hey guys...

If you need a manager for Halle next week I can do it... please let me know until Saturday afternoon...

Also, I can help with scoring points for most tournaments... I always calculate the scores from the latest ranking at the time the draw is made for the entire tournament.

bad gambler
06-03-2005, 12:34 PM
Let me explain what happend....
I noticed that the main draw is due to start on Sunday and by late Saturday night there wasn\'t yet a PAW thread... so in order that players can post their picks for Sunday matches I created the thread... I thought it was urgent and appologize for the confusion...


no worries nitsansh, we appreciate you helping us out with the scoring :wavey:

nitsansh
06-03-2005, 12:49 PM
A reminder to whoever manages Queens... because it's 64-draw tournament there are 16 picks...

Pironkov
06-03-2005, 05:57 PM
Nitsansh, it would be great if you help us with running tournaments :D

NATAS81
06-03-2005, 06:17 PM
I would help, but too busy playing online games and doing ATP draft work analyzing stats.

Good call, though.

nitsansh
06-03-2005, 07:03 PM
Nitsansh, it would be great if you help us with running tournaments :D
So it's OK to do Halle???

-SaFiinsBabY-
06-03-2005, 07:20 PM
Hey ...

Last time I hadn't much time for PAW ... I was so busy with school ...

So ... now I'm back and I can help again ;)
I would like to do Wimbledon ... is that ok ... I also did the Australian Open alone ... ;)

:wavey:

zethand
06-03-2005, 08:19 PM
Hey ...

Last time I hadn't much time for PAW ... I was so busy with school ...

So ... now I'm back and I can help again ;)
I would like to do Wimbledon ... is that ok ... I also did the Australian Open alone ... ;)

:wavey:

Please!!! Do it! You are the best!

nitsansh
06-03-2005, 08:26 PM
OK... I do Halle next week...

Is there anyone for Queen's?

Cervantes
06-03-2005, 09:18 PM
I'd like to take the week off and do 's-Hertogenbosch the week after. If necessary I can do Queens next week, but I won't have too much time to update, so it's probably best if someone else runs it.

nitsansh
06-03-2005, 10:07 PM
BTW... what's the s' in s'Hertogenbosch and how the h--l you pronounce it? :confused:

bad gambler
06-03-2005, 11:25 PM
guys,

ill do queens if no one else wants to :wavey:

-SaFiinsBabY-
06-04-2005, 12:18 PM
Ok ... is it now fixed that I'm going to run Wimbledon? *smile* :)

Cervantes
06-04-2005, 05:06 PM
Ok, so next week Bad Gambler runs Queens and Nitsansh does Halle.
The week after I will run 's Hertogenbosch, but we still need someone to do Nottingham (if there are any commitments for Nottingham anyway)

And -SaFiinsBabY- does Wimbledon, so I think we're pretty much settled for the next month.

-SaFiinsBabY-
06-04-2005, 06:29 PM
Cool :)

btw ... please call me stephi ... thanks .. :cool: :wavey:

Cervantes
06-04-2005, 09:03 PM
Cool :)

btw ... please call me stephi ... thanks .. :cool: :wavey:

no longer safin's baby? such a shame :)
I didn't know your real name, but I'll call you Stephi from now on :wavey:

bad gambler
06-05-2005, 03:00 AM
guys has anyone seen deccy? I have not yet received committments for Queens

DeccyB123
06-05-2005, 08:02 AM
coming in soon :yeah:

bad gambler
06-05-2005, 08:05 AM
coming in soon :yeah:

:wavey:

-SaFiinsBabY-
06-05-2005, 11:01 AM
no longer safin's baby? such a shame :)
I didn't know your real name, but I'll call you Stephi from now on :wavey:

Sure I'm Safin's baby :p
But I think it's a bit unpersonal ;)

Thanks, :cool: :wavey:

nitsansh
06-05-2005, 02:20 PM
A table with the commitments for June&July is under the list of tournaments in post #1...

There are 25 commitments for Halle and 17 for Queens (not counting WC applications on the tournament threads).
Next week, it's 25 for s'Hertogenbosch and 14 for Nottingham, and I would expect more to come...

I think we might have to cancel one tournament out of 3 in the weeks of Jul-4, Jul-18 and Jul-25. We can hardly find managers for 2 tournaments each week...
After about 35 players making commitments there are only 2 in Amersfoort (Jul-18) and Umag (Jul-25), so I assume those won't make it to double figures...
Newport (jul-4) with 6 commitments so far is also at risk...

Pironkov
06-05-2005, 03:16 PM
Just a reminder that there's a minimum of 12 players committed so that a tournament is held

nitsansh
06-05-2005, 05:29 PM
Bastad with 11 and Indiana with 9 are still under the limit, but there's still plenty of time...

What is the deadline to call off a tournament? and what happends to those who commited to a tournament that was canceled??

Pironkov
06-05-2005, 06:48 PM
deadline to call off a tournament is some hours before the first MD match starts
if a tournament is cancelled the players can play the another PAW tournament without having to apply for a WC

:)

nitsansh
06-05-2005, 08:24 PM
Don't you think players need a longer notice if they have to switch to another tournament?
If for example Newport is cancelled on Monday morning US time, those players could miss all of Monday matches at Bastad and Gstaad...

Cervantes
06-05-2005, 09:01 PM
Don't you think players need a longer notice if they have to switch to another tournament?
If for example Newport is cancelled on Monday morning US time, those players could miss all of Monday matches at Bastad and Gstaad...

yeah, I agree. I'd say 24 hours before the first match is played.

We've got quite a few managers now, so it should be possible to do all 3 tournaments in one week. If not, people should know a day in advance cause not everybody spends their whole day on mtf ;)

nitsansh
06-06-2005, 02:21 AM
24 hours... that's fine with me...

I have an urgent question... is there a limit to the ranking points we use to calculate scoring points for players with very low ranking or possibly no ranking at all?
The WTA PAW have some minimum # of points for such cases to prevent astronomic scores...

The case in question is Zimonjic, who is ranked #701 with 22 points... if I use this figure, the points for him should be between 58 and 72, depending on his opponent...

Pironkov
06-06-2005, 06:35 AM
24 hours are too much but ok if you decide so :)

I think unranked players (with 0 ranking pts) get automatically 1 pt
for all others it's used their actual pts

nitsansh
06-06-2005, 01:39 PM
24 hours are too much but ok if you decide so :)

I think unranked players (with 0 ranking pts) get automatically 1 pt
for all others it's used their actual pts
1 point is nothing... if an unranked player meet the like of Wang (the lowest player in Halle beside Zimonjic at #156) he gets 168 pts... against Canas at #10 he gets 418 pts and you can imagine how many against Federer...

We just had the same problem with Draper in RG that got 148 pts (IIRC), and I recall that before the minimum points was adopted at the women's game they had a maximum of 200 pts, which on occasions of wins for the minnow seperated the standing to several tiers... there were many complains about it and they made a good decision (IMO) to make a limit... I think we should do the same, but I don't know where the limit should be... 50 pts (equal to ranking around 500) look reasonable as I think there's no real difference in the ability of players below this ranking... usually players who enter ATP tournaments with low ranking are either young players who get wild cards or players with protected ranking or (as in Zimonjic case) double players who rarely have the opportunity to play singles so their ranking drops... these players (especially the latter 2 categories) are much better than their ranking suggests...

Pironkov
06-07-2005, 06:09 AM
ugh no 50 pts are faaar too much

best thing is just to ask how they do it on PAW WTA :)

bad gambler
06-07-2005, 07:59 AM
can I just confirm that there only a max of 5 WCs handed out each tournament, those are the rules per WTA PAW

Pironkov
06-07-2005, 02:18 PM
yep :)

nitsansh
06-07-2005, 10:23 PM
ugh no 50 pts are faaar too much

best thing is just to ask how they do it on PAW WTA :)

At WTA PAW the minimum score is 20 pts.
But the scoring system is not the same... 20 pts is around #600 on WTA ranking, but #600 on ATP ranking has 33 pts... that makes a big difference when you calculate scoring points for PAW...

Look at the standing after day 2 at Halle... the 4 players who picked Zimonjic are way ahead of the rest... one pick of 72 pts makes the difference between 4th and last...

Pironkov
06-08-2005, 06:38 AM
well, everyone decides wheather to pick someone or not
and such case when a player (worth so much pts) wins over a player like Kiefer happens twice in a year so it's not such a big problem, I think

kfh_9118
06-08-2005, 07:37 AM
Ok, so next week Bad Gambler runs Queens and Nitsansh does Halle.
The week after I will run 's Hertogenbosch, but we still need someone to do Nottingham (if there are any commitments for Nottingham anyway)

And -SaFiinsBabY- does Wimbledon, so I think we're pretty much settled for the next month.

Hi there :wavey:
Even though I am new here, I have played WTA PAW for a few years now, and I know how to post the league table etc.

So if you want, I am willing to help running Nottingham next week, if we're going ahead with the tourney and if noone else wants to run it, otherwise, I am fine :)

Of course, somebody needs to post the scoring points as I don't know how :lol:

Let me know

Henry

nitsansh
06-08-2005, 09:33 PM
kfh... it's no big trouble to do the scoring points... there's a simple formula that converts the ATP ranking points to PAW points... I can send it to you if you like...
If you won't, I can do the points for Nottingham... just let me know when you post the PAW thread so I can put the scoring points near the top of the thread and players will find it easily...
The tournament should definitely go ahead... there were 18 players commited the last time I checked... you can see them on the table just below the list of tournaments on post#1...

kfh_9118
06-09-2005, 01:11 AM
kfh... it's no big trouble to do the scoring points... there's a simple formula that converts the ATP ranking points to PAW points... I can send it to you if you like...
If you won't, I can do the points for Nottingham... just let me know when you post the PAW thread so I can put the scoring points near the top of the thread and players will find it easily...
The tournament should definitely go ahead... there were 18 players commited the last time I checked... you can see them on the table just below the list of tournaments on post#1...

So does this mean I can run the tournament?

nitsansh, that will be nice if you can send me the points formula.
Thanks

-SaFiinsBabY-
06-09-2005, 12:40 PM
I thought the number of wildcards isn't limited?!

Cervantes
06-10-2005, 07:54 PM
I thought the number of wildcards isn't limited?!

Yeah, I thought so too. As far as I'm concerned we should have the same rule WTA has, limiting the number of WCs a person can get in a year to 3. That's the only way people are gonna start using the commitment thread.

-SaFiinsBabY-
06-10-2005, 09:07 PM
Yeah, I thought so too. As far as I'm concerned we should have the same rule WTA has, limiting the number of WCs a person can get in a year to 3. That's the only way people are gonna start using the commitment thread.

That's a bit less - don't you think?

Let's look what the others say about that ... I always thought the number is unlimited ... and now I read in the Gerry Weber Open PAW-Thread that the number is limited ... :confused:

:wavey:

bad gambler
06-10-2005, 10:34 PM
its limited to 5 per tournament steph,

this is a good idea otherwise people become lazy and dont commit using the thread.

nitsansh
06-10-2005, 11:32 PM
I think the purpose of commitments is to make the managers job easier... you get organized ahead of time if you know how many players are supposed to play, because that factor dictates the amount of time it consumes... I, for example, find it hard to do a good job when I have a tournament with over 30 players, that's why I don't take tournaments where I expect a large field... I once did a tournament with 60-something players and that was really brutal...
It seems that most regular players do make commitments (maybe this week was not a good example because it was the first week of a new commitments thread)... at this moment we already have 43-44 commitments for tournaments in July, in comparison to 48 players in this week's tournaments...
In the tournament that I manage, Halle, there was one player who commited and didn't show up, and OTOH one wild card for player who entered his first tournament and was just few hours late for the deadline... so if that's the norm, I don't see a problem...

nitsansh
06-10-2005, 11:42 PM
Let's look what the others say about that ... I always thought the number is unlimited ... and now I read in the Gerry Weber Open PAW-Thread that the number is limited ... :confused:

:wavey:
Blame me for that... I took the liberty to change it...
if the amount of wild cards is unlimited, then what's the deal with them??
The funny thing is, and I've seen it at WTA as well, when people see that they're not on the players list they rush to ask for wild card even though the deadline for commitments is not over yet... so I had to re-phrase the introduction to make clear that wild cards should be asked for only after the deadline...

-SaFiinsBabY-
06-11-2005, 11:49 AM
Yes, I know what you mean.
But maybe the players think if they post it in the commitments thread the managers overlook that and don't see that. So they write in the PAW-Thread where the managers sees it for sure. ;)

5 wildcards per tournament ... ok ... every tournament ... also Grand Slam ... or are there more?

:wavey:

nitsansh
06-11-2005, 11:22 PM
Well... I don't know about the habits of other PAWers... I think the regular players are used to check next week's thread on Saturday afternoon to see the main draw, and if the PAW thread is ready (and it better be, or I will worry about the manager...) they will check to see if their name is on the list... some players, particularly in eastern time zones, do it on Sunday morning...
Also, most regular players make their commitments for the whole period covered by the thread... I estimate those are about 40 players in PAW ATP (compared to over 100 in WTA)...

The reason that there is time period for commitments and another period for wild cards is to avoid the PAW tournament thread being flooded by wild card requests, and OTOH, avoid the need to check the commitment thread again and again after the deadline is passed... those players who post their wild card requests ahead of time (and sometimes post them in both threads to make sure they get the manager's attention...) are not helping the manager and fellow players but the opposite...

There is a say in human resources that 20% of the population are creating 80% of the trouble, and I think we see a similar pattern here... perhaps even towards a 90-10 ratio...

nitsansh
06-11-2005, 11:28 PM
5 wildcards per tournament ... ok ... every tournament ... also Grand Slam ... or are there more?

:wavey:
I think for the number of players we have at the moment, 5 WC should be sufficient...
In the tournaments I managed I don't recall that the WC quota was filled... but I didn't do big tournaments (GS and MS) so I don't know about these...
In real tournaments, the # of WC is proportional to the size of tournaments, and ranges between 3 in 32-draw tournaments and 8 in GS (128-draw)... maybe we should do the same...

-SaFiinsBabY-
06-12-2005, 02:07 PM
Ok ... because I'm going to run Wimbledon ...
so 8 wildcards for GS? ... thanks :wavey:

-SaFiinsBabY-
06-19-2005, 07:58 PM
Hi :wavey:

Could I maybe do Kitzbühel? :)

:hug:

nitsansh
06-19-2005, 11:34 PM
I'd like to do Bastad on the week after Wimby.

Newport has 8 commitments, still 4 short of the threshold...

kfh_9118
06-20-2005, 04:05 AM
I can do LA if noone runs it ;)
And if Newport has enough commitment, I don't mind running it as well :)

tousledbaby
06-28-2005, 02:17 PM
HI!

I want to help, too. What can I do?

nitsansh
06-28-2005, 09:24 PM
9 commitments in Newport
still 3 short...

-SaFiinsBabY-
06-29-2005, 03:28 PM
Ok ... nitsansh does Bastad ...
kfh ... can you do Newport if there are enough commitments?
and I can do Gstaad ...

:wavey:

@ tousledbaby ... do you wanna start with a small tournament ... or what do you like ... do you only wanna help out?

nitsansh
07-01-2005, 02:42 PM
good news! the 12th player has just commited to Newport, so we're going to make all 3 tournaments next week!

Managers are wanted for tournaments on weeks of July 18 and July 25... any takers?

edit to add: I see that kfh is doing LA, so we still have vacancy for Stuttgart, Kitzbuhel (2 big tournaments with a draw of 64 and estimated 35-40 participants) and Indianapolis.

tousledbaby, if you want to manage a tournament, I suggest that you take Indianapolis, but if you are in Germany as your flag suggests, it might be a problem with the time zone...
if either Amersfoort or Umag make the cut that would be better for you...
If none of the tournaments this month suit you, Sopot on the 1st week of August could be fine...

tousledbaby
07-01-2005, 03:42 PM
Yeah I think it is good idea to manage a tournament in Europe, otherwise I'll get in trouble with the time zone as you said.

But honestly I have no idea how it really works. So it would be fine to start with a small tournament or at first just help somebody with a tournament...would that be okay?

njnetswill
07-01-2005, 03:51 PM
I've never hosted a tournament before, but I have a lot of time right now and would anyone mind showing me how to run one?

I think I would be a good candidate to run Indianapolis, the time zone wouldn't be a problem for me. I'm not quite sure what the formula is for the points though.

-SaFiinsBabY-
07-01-2005, 10:53 PM
I alreday asked for Kitzbühel, because it's in Austria and I'm living there ;) :wavey:

nitsansh
07-02-2005, 01:26 AM
Sorry Safiinsbaby, I wasn't aware of that... I was considering doing it but would be happy to avoid it...

I think we should make a sort of manual for beginning manager...

basically, the manager has 2 main tasks:
1. Publishing the matches and scoring points. It's important that the scoring points are published as soon as possible, because the players take them in consideration when selecting their picks for the next day of play.
2. Calculating the scores for each player and publishing the standing. This is usually done after each day of play (or after each round in 2-weeks tournaments). Although the timing of publishing the standing is not as important as the scoring points, it would be good do do it as soon as possible. Players like to know where they rank, especially in the latter stages (after the QF and SF) when players take the standing and the picks of other players in consideration.

Generally, the time required for the standing depend on the # of matches played, so the work load at the start of the week is the hardest and it gets lighter as the tournament progress...

More matches and more players yield more work for the manager... that's why I suggest that people who aren't sure they have the time to do it to take smaller tournaments for a start...

Of course, to be able to function as manager you must have access to the internet on every day of the tournament (from the time the main draw is done until the final).
You should be aware what's going on in the tournament and be ready to make adjustments when necessary (for example: occasionally the draw is changed due to withdrawal so the matches and scoring points have to be changed).

Another important task is to check the validity of picks, in particular look after "late picks", IE picks that were posted after the match start, or may have started, and therefor should be "invalid pick" and not be counted.

A manager should also know the fine details of the game rules, so it is suggested to read thoroughly the "PAW rulebook" (link to which should appear on the first message of the PAW tournament thread).

I think that's about it...

nitsansh
07-02-2005, 01:47 AM
OK... the managers for the coming months are as follows...

Week of July 18:
Stuttgart - still vacant
Indianapolis - njnetswil
Week of July 25:
Kitzbuhel - Safiinsbaby
Los Angeles - kfh

Tousledbaby, I'll put you on stand-by for Amersfoort or Umag, in case those tournaments get to 12 commitments.
You can also take Sopot (week of August 1) that I believe will definitely take place, but we don't know yet how many players are expected there.
Another tournament on the same week is Washington... anyone like to do that?
After that we have back-to-back masters tournaments in Canada and Cincinnati... those will require an experienced manager with plenty of time...
Then comes Long Island, which is a small tournament on the ATP tour, but as the lone tournament of the week will attract many players...
And then it's the US Open, which of course is as big as tournaments can get...

If we look further ahead, there are several tournaments in East Asia, so we better look after potential managers from that part of the world...

njnetswill
07-02-2005, 05:16 PM
Can someone explain how to calculate the points? ALso, for the standings tables, do you use html to make a table?

-SaFiinsBabY-
07-02-2005, 10:06 PM
I have got a question ... if a player isn't ranked (has no ranking) how many points do I calculate?

:wavey:
thanks

nitsansh
07-02-2005, 10:55 PM
PAW scoring points calculation

Formula:

PLAYER'S A ranking pts: A
PLAYER'S B ranking pts: B

Player's A PAW scoring pts: = SQRT (100*B / A) or 10*SQRT(B)/SQRT(A)
Player's B PAW scoring pts: = SQRT (100*A / B) or 10*SQRT(A)/SQRT(B)
(SQRT=square root)

EXAMPLE:

Indian Wells 2004 R1:

A.Medina-Garrigues vs D.Randriantefy

Medina Garrigues' rank pts: 489.25
Randriantefy's rank pts: 365.25

Medina Garrigues PAW Scoring pts = SQRT (100*365.25/489.25) = 8.64 = 9
Randriantefy PAW Scoring pts = SQRT (100*489.25 / 365.25) = 11.57 = 12

Hence, A.Medina-Garrigues vs D.Randriantefy..........(9-12)

Note:

1. The ranking list to be used for PAW scoring points is the ranking at the time of the draw, normally it's the previous week's ranking (but in Indian Wells and Miami case the draw comes out AFTER the new ranking is released)

2. Round off all scoring pts to the nearest integer, eg. 10.49 = 10 but 10.50 = 11.

3. In case of unranked player or a player who has less than 20 ranking pts, he is allocated 20 pts for the calculation of PAW scoring points.

-SaFiinsBabY-
07-03-2005, 08:44 AM
Thanks nitsansh ... :wavey:

Cervantes
07-03-2005, 04:08 PM
I'll do Stuttgart, I like the bigger tournaments with large entry fields :)

nitsansh
07-04-2005, 09:13 PM
Final count of commitments for week of July 4:
Gstaad 27, Bastad 19, Newport 14. Total: 60

Provisional count for coming-up tournaments:
Week of July 18: Stuttgart 37, Indiana 15, Amersfoort 4
Week of July 25: Kitzbuhel 33, Los Angeles 18, Umag 6

Amersfoort and Umag are in real danger of cancellation, if the commitments don't get to 12.
If that happends, those players who named a second choice tournament (marked (X) on the commitments chart) will be automatically transfered there by the managers. Those who didn't will have to ask for a WC in any of the other tournaments, but these WC won't be counted within the quota.

nitsansh
07-04-2005, 09:25 PM
Managers list for July & August:

Week of July 18:
Stuttgart - Cervantes
Indianapolis - njnetswil
Amersfoort - tousledbaby ? (stand by)
Week of July 25:
Kitzbuhel - Safiinsbaby
Los Angeles - kfh
Umag - tousledbaby ? (stand by)
Week of August 1:
Sopot - tousledbaby ?
Washington - nitsansh
Week of August 8:
Montreal - Cervantes ?
Week of August 15:
Cincinnati - ?
Week of August 22:
New Haven - ?
Week of August 29:
US Open - safiinsbaby

Feel free to volunteer for the tournaments marked with ?...

-SaFiinsBabY-
07-04-2005, 09:30 PM
I can do US Open ... :wavey:

nitsansh
07-04-2005, 09:32 PM
I can be available for Washington... I guess I can handle the time difference, I once managed a tournament at Acapulco which was (IIRC) an hour further west... in the worst case I'll do the standing without the night matches...

nitsansh
07-04-2005, 09:39 PM
Cervantes... would you like to do any of the Masters? (Canada or Cincy)

nitsansh
07-04-2005, 10:08 PM
I'd like to raise again the issue of the time to make a decision to cancel a tournament, because I have a feeling such decision will be needed soon...
I reviewed the thread and it seems the majority were in favour of a 24-hours deadline, IE Sunday noon (I like deadlines to be sharp...), but I think we should consult the manager in stand-by if that's fine with him...

nitsansh
07-04-2005, 11:10 PM
A note to managers...

I added the tournaments in August (until US Open) to the same commitments thread... it would be appreciated if you inform the players about it, so the commitments will start comimg...

tousledbaby
07-06-2005, 08:53 AM
Hey...
I'm not sure if I can make Amersfoort and Umag, because my holidays will start at this week, so I'm probably not there.
But if I'm back (and I hope I'm back till the week August 1) I want/will do Sopot.
Is this okay? I'm sorry.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

nitsansh
07-06-2005, 04:05 PM
No problem about Amersfoort/Umag as the odds of them taking place are not good...
but we need to know what's your plans about Sopot... August 1st is the day the main draw start, so to be the manager you should be available from July 30th...
Don't feel obliged to do it... just let us know a few days ahead if we should look for another manager... I'm sure we'll find one...
and you can do another tourney when the time is right... probably after US Open when the tour comes back to Europe...

Cervantes
07-08-2005, 08:27 PM
I can do Montreal, but the problem is I can only do ranking updates in the evening (European time), so I won't have rankings before the start of play in the next round. Scoring points shouldn't be a problem, I can do those in the morning.

nitsansh
07-08-2005, 09:22 PM
I added you to the list... as long as the scoring points will be ready ahead of the matches it's ok...

maybe kfh can do Cincinnati... he's doing well on American time zone and is very efficient...

kfh_9118
07-09-2005, 12:39 AM
I added you to the list... as long as the scoring points will be ready ahead of the matches it's ok...

maybe kfh can do Cincinnati... he's doing well on American time zone and is very efficient...

thanks for the compliment :lol:

I actually live in Australia, hence I don't usually follow live score during American tournaments. Hence, it will be difficult for me to check if a pick is late or not. However with the LT or scoring points, it's ok for me as usually after I wake up, all the matches have been completed, hence I can update them before going to work :lol:

As for Cincinnati, as I said in PM, I will certainly consider it, but if anyone else who has more free time and certainly can post scoring points and LT on time, then they better run it. I am afraid I can't update the LT & scoring points as soon as possible. Again, if we can't find anyone else to run it, I will do it ;)

nitsansh
07-09-2005, 01:21 AM
Let's wait and see... these tournaments are still a month ahead...

tousledbaby
07-11-2005, 03:21 PM
I just want to say, that I can do Amersfoort. My holiday will just start a little bit later (in august).

KalleOnAir
07-11-2005, 06:21 PM
hey, i have to say that all u managers make a great job:worship::worship:
thanx for making it possible,
i love to play PAW
thx:wavey:

+alonso
07-11-2005, 06:22 PM
Oh we need more players for amersfoort :sad:
only 4/5
i'm trying to help .. just see my sign :sad:

:sad:

nitsansh
07-11-2005, 06:41 PM
5 commitments in Amersfoort so far...

tousledbaby
07-11-2005, 06:59 PM
It seems that I have a lot time, so I can also do Umag ( if you want).
Hopefully some people still commit for Amersfoort.

nitsansh
07-11-2005, 08:14 PM
Umag has 7 commitments... too low as well...

+alonso
07-13-2005, 03:46 AM
how many ppl do you need for amerfoort.. :D ?

kfh_9118
07-13-2005, 07:12 AM
how many ppl do you need for amerfoort.. :D ?

7 more players required at the moment.

njnetswill
07-15-2005, 04:17 PM
Stupid Questions: What PAW number is Indianapolis? 29?

Since Indy is a 48 player draw, I am not sure how many picks are allowed for the tournament.

nitsansh
07-15-2005, 10:59 PM
Indianapolis #29
Stuttgart #30

Both 16 picks

njnetswill
07-15-2005, 11:34 PM
Should I assume the Amersfoort players who picked Indy as their second choice are going to play Indy?

nitsansh
07-16-2005, 04:05 PM
mmm... Amersfoort wasn't officially called off yet...

Cervantes
07-17-2005, 07:29 PM
nitsansh, where can I find commitments for Stuttgart? Thanks

nitsansh
07-17-2005, 10:43 PM
Check the commitments thread

robuś
07-20-2005, 07:06 PM
Hi guys

If you will be need a manager for Sopot, I think that I can do it ........

I know the rules of paw and method of the calculate the scoring points - thanks for njnetswill and pironkov :)
I should get along but I think that you help me if I'll be need help ;)

anyway I'm ready and co-operative

prepare is begining :) ---> http://www.nrg.to/robs/tennis/paw.htm
(I borrowed theme of the MensTennisForums.com to better preparing)

njnetswill
07-21-2005, 03:59 AM
Wow robus, everything in your's looks great! Very organized and clear. I wish I had a layout like that before I started my tournament. :p

nitsansh
07-22-2005, 07:16 PM
Updated Managers list for July & August:

Week of July 25:
#31 Kitzbuhel - Safiinsbaby
#32 Los Angeles - kfh
#33 Umag - tousledbaby
Week of August 1:
#34 Sopot - robus
#35 Washington - nitsansh
Week of August 8:
#36 Montreal - Cervantes ?
Week of August 15:
#37 Cincinnati - ?
Week of August 22:
#38 New Haven - ?
Week of August 29:
#39 US Open - safiinsbaby

nitsansh
07-22-2005, 07:18 PM
A note to next week's managers... please remind players to make commitments for august tournaments...

tousledbaby
07-22-2005, 07:30 PM
So yeah I will do Umag. What PAW Number has Umag?

robuś
07-22-2005, 07:50 PM
What PAW Number has Umag?
and Sopot?

-SaFiinsBabY-
07-22-2005, 10:01 PM
Kitzbühel is number #31
Los Angeles is number #32
Umag is number #33

Sopot will be one of the following three numbers ...

robuś
07-23-2005, 07:51 AM
Sopot is number #34
Washington DC is number #35

is it?

robuś
07-24-2005, 12:31 PM
I think unranked players (with 0 ranking pts) get automatically 1 pt
for all others it's used their actual pts
Is this rule still valid?

At WTA PAW the minimum score is 20 pts.
And what about this one?