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Top 4 and Ferrer Rankings +/- clay points

Frooty_Bazooty
04-02-2013, 11:00 PM
Clay court points to defend-:


2012 Clay points.

Player Current MC Rome Mad RG MM Total (52W - clay points last year)
Djokovic 12370 600 600 180 1200 0 2580 9790
Murray 8750 180 90 0 360 0 630 8120
Federer 8670 0 360 1000 720 0 2080 6590
Ferrer 7050 10 360 180 720 300 1570 5480
Nadal 6385 1000 1000 90 2000 500 4590 1795

2013 Points for seed rankings at RG (updated to Barca).

Player Pre-clay MC Barca Es/Mu Mad Rome Current Total
Djokovic 10990 1000 0 0 - - 11990
Murray 8480 90 0 0 - - 8570
Federer 7310 0 0 0 - - 7310
Ferrer 6200 0 0 150/250*- - 6200
Nadal 3795 600 500 0 - - 4895

(Pre-clay = Points from RG 2012 until Miami 2013.)
* - will not count as David has reached his MM limit

Kyle_Johansen
04-02-2013, 11:04 PM
Rafa likely won't be able to get back to top 3 until after RG.

Moozza
04-02-2013, 11:08 PM
That table is all over the place. Impossible to read.

Mountaindewslave
04-02-2013, 11:08 PM
Rafa likely won't be able to get back to top 3 until after RG.

agreed, the odds are low that Nadal defends all clay titles. I could see him MAYBE still holding onto MC (no surface/tournament is more comfortable for him), Barcelona (if he indeed ends up playing), and Roland Garros, but would be shocked if he also defended Rome

I think he'll skip Madrid and POSSIBLY Barcelona, because while he said he will play more on clay than hard court, I think he still is going to try to keep a very light schedule if/when possible

also Roland Garros could be incredibly tricky with Nadal likely ending up with a challenging draw, who knows he could get more tired out than normal and get into a tricky spot in SF/F after a potential grueling quarter

Federer does not have a huge amount to defend, Nadal's chances of breaking into top 4 or 3 or better will have to wait for his results in the American hard court summer

Chris Kuerten
04-02-2013, 11:15 PM
I can see Ferrer overtaking Federer :yeah:

Would be hilarious.

Newcomer
04-02-2013, 11:18 PM
Ferrer has a HUGE chance to overvulture Noserer at ranks in July or August and even reach top-3 :rolls::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::sad:

Kyle_Johansen
04-02-2013, 11:20 PM
Ferrer isn't passing Roger. Fed can gain a lot of points from Montreal and the USO.

Frooty_Bazooty
04-02-2013, 11:21 PM
One of the biggest things about this is the seeding for Wimbledon. Without his clay points, Rafa would be seeded 21st if the Wimbledon rankings were to be done now (excluding his 75% of his 1,200 2011 wimbledon points however)

Newcomer
04-02-2013, 11:22 PM
Ferrer isn't passing Roger. Fed can gain a lot of points from Montreal and the USO.

Rogi always sucks at Montreal.

Kyle_Johansen
04-02-2013, 11:28 PM
Rogi always sucks at Montreal.

Even if he makes semis at Montreal he's still gaining points from the 0 he had last year.

pepita1964
04-02-2013, 11:37 PM
If Ferrer overtakes Federer in ranking then the tennis is really dead. Why Ferrer gets to SF in GSs now because of the stupid draw ,How many times did he get Del Potro,Tsonga or Berdych in QF - zero times . He always get Tipsarevic and at FO he got Murray . If Ferrer was so great as a player he should have more MS i like him as a person but i do not like his game.

Newcomer
04-02-2013, 11:40 PM
Even if he makes semis at Montreal he's still gaining points from the 0 he had last year.

vulture didn't play Canada last year too and lost in Cinci at 2R:shrug:

Chris Kuerten
04-02-2013, 11:43 PM
If Ferrer overtakes Federer in ranking then the tennis is really dead. Why Ferrer gets to SF in GSs now because of the stupid draw ,How many times did he get Del Potro,Tsonga or Berdych in QF - zero times . He always get Tipsarevic and at FO he got Murray . If Ferrer was so great as a player he should have more MS i like him as a person but i do not like his game.
He trashed Del Potro 6-2 6-2 6-3 at Wimbledon, remember? It doesn't matter, he beats them all.

Action Jackson
04-02-2013, 11:46 PM
That table is all over the place. Impossible to read.

It should be easier to read now.

Newcomer
04-02-2013, 11:47 PM
If Ferrer overtakes Federer in ranking then the tennis is really dead. Why Ferrer gets to SF in GSs now because of the stupid draw ,How many times did he get Del Potro,Tsonga or Berdych in QF - zero times . He always get Tipsarevic and at FO he got Murray . If Ferrer was so great as a player he should have more MS i like him as a person but i do not like his game.

great post:yeah:
even Mugsarevic and Almagro almost beaten vulture at GS.
As for RG at Wimby, he will get those guys or Nadal at Q\F coz he is namba 4.:rolls:

MuzzahLovah
04-03-2013, 01:24 AM
Clay court points to defend-:


Player Current MC Rome Mad RG MM Total (52W - clay points last year)
Djokovic 12370 600 600 180 1200 0 2580 9790
Murray 8750 180 90 0 360 0 630 8120
Federer 8670 0 360 1000 720 0 2080 6590
Ferrer 7050 10 360 180 720 300 1570 5480
Nadal 6385 1000 1000 90 2000 500 4590 1795


Great thread :yeah:

MuzzahLovah
04-03-2013, 01:31 AM
I hope Murray can make a final somewhere during clay season. If he somehow gets to the final of MC he has already defended all of his clay points :lol:

BroTree123
04-03-2013, 01:57 AM
Ferrer reaching #3 would be bad for tennis.

Topspindoctor
04-03-2013, 03:34 AM
I hope Murray can make a final somewhere during clay season. If he somehow gets to the final of MC he has already defended all of his clay points :lol:

This mug wont make it past QF of any clay event. Mandy is awful on clay, I predict he'll be skipping clay season altogether in the future just like Roddick. Never seen a pusher so bad on clay since Hewitt.

dencod16
04-03-2013, 03:53 AM
It will shock me if Nadal enters the top 4 before RG. I can see Ferrer taking over Federer after Wimbledon for #3.

Pratik
04-03-2013, 03:55 AM
If Ferrer overtakes Federer in ranking then the tennis is really dead. Why Ferrer gets to SF in GSs now because of the stupid draw ,How many times did he get Del Potro,Tsonga or Berdych in QF - zero times . He always get Tipsarevic and at FO he got Murray . If Ferrer was so great as a player he should have more MS i like him as a person but i do not like his game.

:facepalm: It is zero out of only two times. Before that he could not have drawn them in QF.

Pirata.
04-03-2013, 01:05 PM
:facepalm: It is zero out of only two times. Before that he could not have drawn them in QF.

:yeah:

OP of that post :facepalm:

ogbg
04-03-2013, 01:57 PM
If Ferrer overtakes Federer in ranking then the tennis is really dead. Why Ferrer gets to SF in GSs now because of the stupid draw ,How many times did he get Del Potro,Tsonga or Berdych in QF - zero times . He always get Tipsarevic and at FO he got Murray . If Ferrer was so great as a player he should have more MS i like him as a person but i do not like his game.

He didn't get Del Potro in the QFs at Wimbledon but he thumped him in the 4th round instead. Anyway, Ferrer's problem isn't beating those guys that you mentioned, it's beating Djokovic, Federer, Nadal, and (usually) Murray.

Ivelina_P
04-03-2013, 04:06 PM
I think Djokovic,Pics and Murray will be able to defent their points and probably add a little more.Federer maybe not,but he will defend his points for the rest of the season probably.I actually suspect him defending his Wimbledon title.
Now with Rafa I'm certainly worried,but good news is that he will gain points for the rest of the season and win US Open.

TigerTim
04-03-2013, 04:29 PM
This mug wont make it past QF of any clay event. Mandy is awful on clay, I predict he'll be skipping clay season altogether in the future just like Roddick. Never seen a pusher so bad on clay since Hewitt.

I recall in 2011 him making the SF of Monte Carlo and Rome as well as FO, taking a set of Nadal and being closest before Roger to breaking Djokovic's streak :wavey:

Murray Mint
04-03-2013, 04:42 PM
I recall in 2011 him making the SF of Monte Carlo and Rome as well as FO, taking a set of Nadal and being closest before Roger to breaking Djokovic's streak :wavey:
Yeah, this. Seen a lot of posts that suggest people are putting far too much stock in last year, where he was nowhere near 100% during the clay season. That along with these idiotic posts about 'no clay titles'. I'd say SF Masters/RG defeats to Nadal suggest more than winning a pissing 250 (which he would undoubtedly do if he actually entered them).

I can see Federer making another loss on last year's total, to be honest. I highly doubt Ferrer can overhaul him, but he may get considerably closer to Roger.

AncicCilic
04-03-2013, 08:53 PM
Murray is the weakest out of 5 on clay. However, amount of points to defend for him is so small i expect him to narrow the gap between himself and Djokovic to 3,000 (or under) points by the end of clay season.

Frooty_Bazooty
05-04-2013, 06:28 PM
Ive updated the table.

Alex999
05-04-2013, 07:56 PM
Ive updated the table.
good work. thank you. As for Murray and clay, I don't know any more. I think he has all qualities to be a good clay player. I think his major problem is his movement on clay.

MichaelKrep
05-04-2013, 10:00 PM
I think he has all qualities to be a good clay player. I think his major problem is his movement on clay.
So all the qualities except for the movement, then?
I actually think Murray could win on clay if he tried to vulture a 250 or a 500, but can't see him taking a 1000 or a Roland Garros any time soon.

MuzzahLovah
05-04-2013, 10:20 PM
I hope Murray can make a final somewhere during clay season. If he somehow gets to the final of MC he has already defended all of his clay points :lol:

:sad:
Murray has a few hundred clay points- he barely had any to begin with.