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Does Federer hold the record for the most profound losses?

mikeqq
04-01-2013, 07:44 AM
He certainly holds the unofficial title of "GOAT" backed up by his mind blowing records.

But at the same time I feel he's lost more important matches than any other player, matches that he could and SHOULD have won.

Let's see,

1 - Australian Open 2009 SF (Outplayed Nadal for the most part, but mentally folded)
2 - Australian Open 2012 SF (Same as above)
3 - Wimbledon 2011 (Two sets up, then what happened?)
4 - US Open 2009 F (WTF happened there?)
5 - US Open 2010 SF (7/10 times he would have won there, then he had 2 more chances to force a tiebreak)
6 - US Open 2011 SF (Just raw bad luck I think)

Honorable mentions

1 - Wimbledon 2008 F (Most people would have expected Nadal to mentally fold after losing the fourth set)
2 - French Open 2011 F (That was his best chance to beat Nadal, he should have taken the first set at least)

Looking at my list that's a whole of matches he blew. These matches could have at least lead to 1 extra slam, possibly 2 or more.

Considering the vast majority of players won't even ever get to play 8 GS matches this deep into the draw, that's a lot of wasted chances.

Feel sorry for Fed now.

xcom
04-01-2013, 07:51 AM
1 - Australian Open 2009 SF (Outplayed Nadal for the most part, but mentally folded)


That one was a final of course, you got that wrong. Though I agree with you he should have easily won that match and even played better tennis at the start.

atennisfan
04-01-2013, 08:07 AM
Well, when you have played as many matches as RF, surely you'd have most profound losses as well. I'm sure this also goes with The GOATs of the past.

BTW, who is the next active player who holds second most matches?

GSMnadal
04-01-2013, 08:11 AM
Loser forum

Topspindoctor
04-01-2013, 08:36 AM
Nose is mentally weak, as soon as someone shows balls against him, he folds like a cheap tent. He was used to dominating talentless, gutless mugs throughout his career, so it was doubly shocking when Nadal burst on to the scene and started schooling 'GOAT' left and right.


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GSMnadal
04-01-2013, 08:38 AM
Nose is mentally weak, as soon as someone shows balls against him, he folds like a cheap tent. He was used to dominating talentless, gutless mugs throughout his career, so it was doubly shocking when Nadal burst on to the scene and started schooling 'GOAT' left and right.


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Yeah, the weak era did him in. He might've grown some resilience had he faced real competition from the start.

Pusha T
04-01-2013, 08:59 AM
Unfortunately there were no strong era titans like Dodig and Rosol to prepare Noserer for these matches.

blackwell
04-01-2013, 09:07 AM
Expected.. He is a gentle genius. Thank god Federer is not an iron robot like Nadull

BroTree123
04-01-2013, 09:13 AM
No one really reached Federer's level when he was in his prime. He was just so used to swatting everyone out of the way with ease. So it's pretty normal that he would start to struggle mentally whenever he met his match against players who've reached that level of confidence. It's hardly surprising that he would lose more tight matches than he would win them. The fact that a 'perfectionist' can't merely just swat a particularly player away, can worry them.

WinterIsComing
04-01-2013, 12:29 PM
That one was a final of course, you got that wrong. Though I agree with you he should have easily won that match and even played better tennis at the start.

IIRC, Uncle Toni himself said that Roger should have won the first 4 sets :banghead:

But yeah he had quite a few tight losses. He's a hell of e fighter though, never surrendering (apart from the RG2008 final of course), but usually these fights end up in defeat all the same. Just like he fights against loss rather than for win.

paseo
04-01-2013, 01:12 PM
Legendary, this Federer. Holds all the records.

Roy Emerson
04-01-2013, 01:17 PM
He can console himself with 17 slams.

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
04-01-2013, 01:19 PM
He should have won every match against dull
Dull has no talent or skill

Newcomer
04-01-2013, 01:29 PM
there are another achievments by "mental giant":
Hewitt WTF 2002
Hewit DC 2003
Safin AO 2005
Nalba WTF 2005
Nadal Dubai 2006
Nadal ROMA 2006
Canas Miami-2007 (he was angry after Canas had broken his streak, had wanted revenge)
Tsonga Canada-2009 and Wimby-2011
Djokovic Montreal 2007, WTF 2012.
Many matches against Berdych. For me, his worst choke was at Roma 2006.

Przemek
04-01-2013, 01:36 PM
Hamburg 2008 against Nadull :facepalm:
Paris 2010 against Monfils
many, many...

MaxPower
04-01-2013, 01:38 PM
he's played more big matches than any other player, so of course he also has a number of close losses.

That's the way cookie crumbles. It's probably a record yes, but not a record to brag about. It's like taking a huge dump in the toilet, you could measure it and brag about it, but in the end better to forget about it and move on.

Whiznot
04-01-2013, 03:03 PM
Federer has the most great wins and the most devastating losses because he always reaches the latter stages of slams. Over the last 35 slams Roger has 15 wins, 7 finals, 9 semi-finals and 4 quarter finals. No other player comes close to such a record of greatness. Compare Federer's GS record with Nadal's beginning with Nadal's first French Open championship. Over that eight year period there have been 32 slams. Compare results.

Federer has 13 wins and Nadal has 11.

Federer has 7 finals and Nadal has 5.

Federer Has 8 semi-finals and Nadal has 3.

Both have 4 quarter-finals.

Federer has never been worse than QF.

Nadal has 2 round of 16s, 1 round of 32, 2 rounds of 64 and 4 no shows.

Losses in late rounds are usually devastating and players who suffer such losses often find it difficult not to be negatively affected. Federer has more late round losses than anyone but he is never negatively affected as evidenced by the greatest overall GS record of all time. Efforts to diminish Federer because he doesn't lose in early rounds are idiotic.

Tag
04-01-2013, 04:15 PM
swiss would like people to believe that

that's why he cries after losses

has to keep that spotlight

diva, pink shoe wearer

DJ Soup
04-01-2013, 04:24 PM
it's easy to call them profound loses when we are talking about the GOAT

ADaddy69
04-01-2013, 04:25 PM
You forgot Federer-Hewitt Davis Cup semi 2003. Up 2 sets and served for the match in the 3rd.

Tag
04-01-2013, 04:27 PM
it's easy to call them profound loses when we are talking about the GOAT

but we're not talking about borg or sampras...

barbadosan
04-01-2013, 04:40 PM
but we're not talking about borg or sampras...

Be nice if YOU would simply not bother to talk, period. So hard to believe that the same country that produced the likes of Robert Burns and R L Stevenson also had the misfortune of producing a silly troll like you

MTwEeZi
04-01-2013, 04:50 PM
You're all trolls. He has won plenty of matches where he was outplayed, like Wimbledon 2007 F, US Open 2007 F, RG 2009 4R & SF, every slam match with Davydenko outside the USO, etc. :mad:

You win some you lose some.

ADaddy69
04-01-2013, 04:58 PM
You're all trolls. He has won plenty of matches where he was outplayed, like Wimbledon 2007 F, US Open 2007 F, RG 2009 4R & SF, every slam match with Davydenko outside the USO, etc. :mad:

You win some you lose some.

Don't forget US Open Final 2008, Australian Open Final 2010, and Wimbledon Final 2012.

fedalrock
04-01-2013, 05:59 PM
Yes he does. He's had some devastating losses especially AO9 where he dominated for almost 2 sets and just blew it.But still he's won some close ones too ,so it all evens out and no fed fan can really complain about them.

abraxas21
04-01-2013, 06:01 PM
yes, i think so. also don't forget that rome 5 set final v. nadal where he wasted 2 match points.

MuzzahLovah
04-01-2013, 06:02 PM
lolwuteven.
Why are we talking about FedEx even?

Johnny Groove
04-01-2013, 06:02 PM
So?

Laver, Rosewall, and Gonzales had just as many heartbreaking losses late in slams.

Sampras lost early in slams more often, and Borg didn't play long enough to suffer a true steady decline of losses.

And Jimmy, Jesus. I don't even know how many times Connors lost in a slam SF.

abraxas21
04-01-2013, 06:03 PM
So?

Laver, Rosewall, and Gonzales had just as many heartbreaking losses late in slams.

did they?

federer's five set record is certainly lame for a player of his caliber.

Dark Knight
04-01-2013, 06:04 PM
lolwuteven.
Why are we talking about FedEx even?

Right from now on every thread should be about Slamray. :worship:

Tag
04-01-2013, 08:25 PM
Be nice if YOU would simply not bother to talk, period. So hard to believe that the same country that produced the likes of Robert Burns and R L Stevenson also had the misfortune of producing a silly troll like you

lmao, cranked

Pusha T
04-01-2013, 10:53 PM
pink shoe wearer
:lol:

Alex999
04-01-2013, 10:58 PM
Fed won so much. What many people don't understand you simply can't win everything no matter how good you are :).

MrPlateperson
04-01-2013, 11:07 PM
Hes probably choked away the most matches out of all the greats. Makes you wonder where he would be without his talent and mentally weak players in his earlier years.

GSMnadal
04-01-2013, 11:09 PM
So because he won a lot he is acquitted from being a mentally weak player? Hell no.

How can you be the 'greatest' when you're about as reliable in pressure situations as the average top 50 player. In basketball they understand this and they don't take you seriously in 'GOAT' debates when you don't have the clutch gene.

He won in a time where he could sleepwalk to another slam title without facing serious competition and without being pressured. His true colours were exposed by Nadal and later Novak/Andy/Berdych/Tsonga/Del Potro got the hang of it as well.

It's a hole in his game, simple as that.

Pusha T
04-01-2013, 11:10 PM
Without his talent, there's a chance he would have a few less than 17 slams.

Probably 16.

Ziggy B
04-01-2013, 11:19 PM
From a supporters viewpoint he's certainly had the most gut-wrenchingly close defeats for a top guy. It's relative though since he's won so much more, and therefore is due to have more tough defeats being so consistently at the top of the game.

Still should have won Rome 06, AO 09, US Semi '11 etc but they weren't to be sadly

Fed=ATPTourkilla
04-01-2013, 11:25 PM
So because he won a lot he is acquitted from being a mentally weak player? Hell no.

How can you be the 'greatest' when you're about as reliable in pressure situations as the average top 50 player. In basketball they understand this and they don't take you seriously in 'GOAT' debates when you don't have the clutch gene.

He won in a time where he could sleepwalk to another slam title without facing serious competition and without being pressured. His true colours were exposed by Nadal and later Novak/Andy/Berdych/Tsonga/Del Potro got the hang of it as well.

It's a hole in his game, simple as that.

Fed is certainly a very good shout for the most naturally talented player ever to pick up a racquet. But is he going to win the title for 'mental strength GOAT'? No, he is not and I say that as a fan of his. There is no way he should have lost the 09 AO and even in Wimbledon 08, where Nadal was arguably playing better than him, there was significant amounts of choking in the first two sets.

However, although there is some truth in your post, you discredit it by letting the anti-Fed bias come out. He doesn't lose to Tsonga, Berdych because of mental weakness - he loses to them because he is past his best. At his peak he would hammer either of them off the court.

BauerAlmeida
04-01-2013, 11:42 PM
Fed is certainly a very good shout for the most naturally talented player ever to pick up a racquet. But is he going to win the title for 'mental strength GOAT'? No, he is not and I say that as a fan of his. There is no way he should have lost the 09 AO and even in Wimbledon 08, where Nadal was arguably playing better than him, there was significant amounts of choking in the first two sets.

However, although there is some truth in your post, you discredit it by letting the anti-Fed bias come out. He doesn't lose to Tsonga, Berdych because of mental weakness - he loses to them because he is past his best. At his peak he would hammer either of them off the court.

He lost to Berdych at his peak in the Olympics 2004.

blackwell
04-01-2013, 11:59 PM
Novak/Andy/Berdych/Tsonga/Del Potro got the hang of it as well.
.
He can't win everything..And Federer didn't lose to "challenger" players like Rosol

Topspindoctor
04-02-2013, 12:01 AM
He can't win everything..And Federer didn't lose to "challenger" players like Rosol

Yeah, he lost back to back matches to Coria during his absolute peak.


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Kyle_Johansen
04-02-2013, 12:12 AM
So because he won a lot he is acquitted from being a mentally weak player? Hell no.

How can you be the 'greatest' when you're about as reliable in pressure situations as the average top 50 player. In basketball they understand this and they don't take you seriously in 'GOAT' debates when you don't have the clutch gene.

He won in a time where he could sleepwalk to another slam title without facing serious competition and without being pressured. His true colours were exposed by Nadal and later Novak/Andy/Berdych/Tsonga/Del Potro got the hang of it as well.

It's a hole in his game, simple as that.

You do know that he had many tough Slams in his prime, right? He was pressured plenty and faced great competition to win his Slams from 04-07, at least at the AO and USO (he was so far above everyone at Wimbledon).

He is not a mentally weak player and that is probably the most foolish thing a person can say.

MTwEeZi
04-02-2013, 12:13 AM
Yeah, he lost back to back matches to Coria during his absolute peak.


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Canas

blackwell
04-02-2013, 12:22 AM
By the way, Nadull doesn't have a lot of profound losses just because he always gives up when he is outplayed.
He has 6 bagels in finals... I bet it's a record :rolls:

Kyle_Johansen
04-02-2013, 12:26 AM
All those losses are "profound" because they are in finals/semifinals/big matches which Federer has been apart of for the last decade. Nadal has had many "profound" losses the last four years too as he became more consistent.

MrPlateperson
04-02-2013, 12:32 AM
So basically the old man chokes away the biggest matches more often than anybody else.

blackwell
04-02-2013, 12:34 AM
Yeah, he lost back to back matches to Coria during his absolute peak.

Hmm.. Do you really think it's a shame to lose a player who was#8 in the world when Nadull at 26 became a pigeon of "challenger"'s players :confused:

Kyle_Johansen
04-02-2013, 12:39 AM
So basically the old man chokes away the biggest matches more often than anybody else.

And he's won more big matches than anybody else.

Chase Visa
04-02-2013, 12:41 AM
It looks worse than it does. Yes his mental strength isn't at the level of a Nadal or a Djokovic, but you don't win 17 slams with the mentality of a Cilic. Other players have some embarrassing losses too.

thrust
04-02-2013, 01:14 AM
Federer has the most great wins and the most devastating losses because he always reaches the latter stages of slams. Over the last 35 slams Roger has 15 wins, 7 finals, 9 semi-finals and 4 quarter finals. No other player comes close to such a record of greatness. Compare Federer's GS record with Nadal's beginning with Nadal's first French Open championship. Over that eight year period there have been 32 slams. Compare results.

Federer has 13 wins and Nadal has 11.

Federer has 7 finals and Nadal has 5.

Federer Has 8 semi-finals and Nadal has 3.

Both have 4 quarter-finals.

Federer has never been worse than QF.

Nadal has 2 round of 16s, 1 round of 32, 2 rounds of 64 and 4 no shows.

Losses in late rounds are usually devastating and players who suffer such losses often find it difficult not to be negatively affected. Federer has more late round losses than anyone but he is never negatively affected as evidenced by the greatest overall GS record of all time. Efforts to diminish Federer because he doesn't lose in early rounds are idiotic.

They have played in 8 Slam finals: Nadal-6, Roger-2. True, 4 were on clay but 1 was on hard and 1 on grass. Roger's were only on grass. ADVANTAGE, NADAL!

SheepleBuster
04-02-2013, 01:22 AM
He certainly holds the unofficial title of "GOAT" backed up by his mind blowing records.

But at the same time I feel he's lost more important matches than any other player, matches that he could and SHOULD have won.

Let's see,

1 - Australian Open 2009 SF (Outplayed Nadal for the most part, but mentally folded)
2 - Australian Open 2012 SF (Same as above)
3 - Wimbledon 2011 (Two sets up, then what happened?)
4 - US Open 2009 F (WTF happened there?)
5 - US Open 2010 SF (7/10 times he would have won there, then he had 2 more chances to force a tiebreak)
6 - US Open 2011 SF (Just raw bad luck I think)

Honorable mentions

1 - Wimbledon 2008 F (Most people would have expected Nadal to mentally fold after losing the fourth set)
2 - French Open 2011 F (That was his best chance to beat Nadal, he should have taken the first set at least)

Looking at my list that's a whole of matches he blew. These matches could have at least lead to 1 extra slam, possibly 2 or more.

Considering the vast majority of players won't even ever get to play 8 GS matches this deep into the draw, that's a lot of wasted chances.

Feel sorry for Fed now.

Roger is undefeated against people who do not cheat. As soon as they cheat, they win. Roger knows that. I do too. The rest of the tennis world I can't give a F about. And the fans too. F the fans, and all the players who are not deserving of kissing Roger's feet.

atennisfan
04-02-2013, 03:00 AM
I think losing to Rosol, Dodig, Zeballos, Guillermo Garcia-Lopez etc are very profound

Topspindoctor
04-02-2013, 07:40 AM
I think losing to Rosol, Dodig, Zeballos, Guillermo Garcia-Lopez etc are very profound

In 2010 alone Noserer lost 4 matches where he held match points. Now that's embarrassing :o

blackwell
04-02-2013, 08:29 AM
In 2010 alone Noserer lost 4 matches where he held match points. Now that's embarrassing :o
"embarrassing" is when you ate 6 bagels in finals :lol:

atennisfan
04-02-2013, 08:46 AM
"embarrassing" is when you ate 6 bagels in finals :lol:

Nadal ate 6 bagels in finals???
:eek::eek::eek::eek:

se7en
04-02-2013, 08:50 AM
Lucky this Dull, 6 bagels and he still got a body like that?

Topspindoctor
04-02-2013, 08:55 AM
Lucky this Dull, 6 bagels and he still got a body like that?

Can't wait till you are banned for doping allegations, troll :drool: Your vacation didn't do you any good. Whose double account are you anyway? Honestly/Magician's back up while they are on forum vacation?

blackwell
04-02-2013, 08:58 AM
Nadal ate 6 bagels in finals???
:eek::eek::eek::eek:
Wim-06, Hamburg-07, Beijing-11, Rotterdam-09, Paris-07 and Chennai-08.. What a legend )):worship:

mikeqq
04-02-2013, 09:07 AM
I think he actually also holds the record for most matches lost after holding match point(s).

USO 2010, USO 2011, Paris Masters 2010, Dubai 2013, these are just the ones I can think of.

heya
04-02-2013, 09:15 AM
Roger is undefeated against people who do not cheat. As soon as they cheat, they win. Roger knows that. I do too. The rest of the tennis world I can't give a F about. And the fans too. F the fans, and all the players who are not deserving of kissing Roger's feet.

Of course, his old rival Roddick was not cheating. He cried on court when he lost, just like Rogi. Then he sued people who didn't throw money at him at a charity tennis event. LMFAO That's a man who deserves the opportunity to be Rogi's Grand Slam jacket & handbag carrier.

heya
04-02-2013, 09:22 AM
I think he actually also holds the record for most matches lost after holding match point(s).

USO 2010, USO 2011, Paris Masters 2010, Dubai 2013, these are just the ones I can think of.

2005 Aussie Open - 4 match points

He got lucky with 4 set points against - 2009 Wimbledon

3 match points against - 2006 Masters Cup

Ramirez-Hidalgo choked twice while serving for the 2008 Monte Carlo match.

I remember Falla, Rochus, Gaudio & Ferrero choked away Wimbledon, Halle, Toronto & Rotterdam vs. Fed.

se7en
04-02-2013, 09:34 AM
Can't wait till you are banned for doping allegations, troll :drool: Your vacation didn't do you any good. Whose double account are you anyway? Honestly/Magician's back up while they are on forum vacation?

Doping allegation? :stupid::superlol:

Don't worry troll, I dislike Dull for so many obvious things but I've never accused him of doping. For a troll, you sure are sensitive. :lol: at your badrep

swordsman
04-02-2013, 09:38 AM
I wouldn't say Federer is mentally weak. It just appears that way, because Djokovic and Nadal top him in that area. Federer surely is a fighter. However, nowadays his fighting skills are just impeded by his declining physique. Look at this year's AO semis against Murray. He should just have been straight setted in that match, but still managed to win two sets, only to collapse in the fifth due to fatigue.
It's all just a matter of context and perspective.

blackwell
04-02-2013, 09:47 AM
It just appears that way, because Djokovic and Nadal top him in that area.
Only Djokovic.. When did Nadull save losing matches or match-points ?? I can't recall a lot..
As for Federer, he saved tonnes of matches when he was losing 0-2

se7en
04-02-2013, 09:53 AM
Look for the MTO's hes ever taken, a lot of those were losing matches, then after the all important MTO there goes the win for Dull. :yeah:

fifthsetshootout
04-02-2013, 09:53 AM
Nadal holds the record for "the most profound losses," because he never loses when he's not injured. Therefore, it's always a profound question of "Which story will Uncle Toni come up with THIS TIME in order to excuse the loss?" :cuckoo:

The day Nadal loses a match when he's healthy will be the end of the world. How is that for profundity?

blackwell
04-02-2013, 09:56 AM
How many matches did Nadal win after the score 0-2 ??