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latso
03-29-2013, 09:13 PM
Just :facepalm:

I watch Ferrer maximum 3 times per year and i always regret it at the end.

His grunting 3 seconds after hitting the ball is a violation of the rules, it's disgusting and he should be banned from tennis.

IMO :rolleyes:

Haas ofc choked a few serves out, but i can imagine the pressure :(

hipolymer
03-29-2013, 09:14 PM
easiest route to a Masters final? How lucky can this Ferrer get? Hopefully Richie teaches him a lesson on Sunday. Also, LOL @ Del Potro

BackhandDTL
03-29-2013, 09:14 PM
Came into the match during the second set to see Haas shanking backhands while his first serve was on a walkabout.

He seemed to let the rest of it go to Ferrer, who kept the ball deep and grinded away.

To start the third, Haas came out firing, especially with the backhand, but it did not last long. The two traded tons of breaks until Ferrer tightened it up on his own serve. Haas continued to play like crap. He completely came apart.

MachineGun
03-29-2013, 09:14 PM
:o

SliceAce
03-29-2013, 09:14 PM
Tennis is dead...

Mental Giant
03-29-2013, 09:14 PM
These Spaniards are a tough breed to beat!


VAMOS!!!!

azinna
03-29-2013, 09:14 PM
Ferrer did what he does best: dig in and wear out the opponent mentally.
...

Chris Kuerten
03-29-2013, 09:14 PM
Huge from Ferrer, what a guy :worship:

Would've been over in two sets if he didn't start out so disgustingly bad.

Ferrer was good in the second half of the set, 4-6 6-3 6-1.Keep dreaming. Haas will win this in 2.:wavey:

EnriqueIG8
03-29-2013, 09:14 PM
Ferrer being in the 2 out of the last 3 MS finals.

Well done to the Iron Warrior.

janko05
03-29-2013, 09:14 PM
colossal choke :o

Agrajag
03-29-2013, 09:14 PM
Running and grinding beats talent.

This is why I rarely watch the later rounds of big tournaments.

TheShowMustGoOn
03-29-2013, 09:14 PM
Well done Ferrer.

niff
03-29-2013, 09:15 PM
David's reaction :hearts:

Tommy :hug: Sad to see him unable to hold on to that third set.

TennisPhan1
03-29-2013, 09:15 PM
happy about this result for one reason. nadal will be 5th seed at RG. makes QF more interesting

leng jai
03-29-2013, 09:15 PM
Very predictable match. Haas plays well for a set but Ferrer grinds him into submission. Haas couldn't get a 1st serve in to save his life and when he did Ferrer returned them deep :mad:

SheepleBuster
03-29-2013, 09:15 PM
Just :facepalm:

I watch Ferrer maximum 3 times per year and i always regret it at the end.

His grunting 3 seconds after hitting the ball is a violation of the rules, it's disgusting and he should be banned from tennis.

IMO :rolleyes:

Haas ofc choked a few serves out, but i can imagine the pressure :(

and he had people behind Haas making fun of his mistakes. Ferrer is disgusting and has 0 chance in the final. 0% chance of winning this tournament. The guy is a vulture... wins only when the top 4 can't

RagingLamb
03-29-2013, 09:15 PM
Sad to see Haas lose like this.

Had to laugh at Ferrer dropping to his knees after just barely winning a masters semi against a 35 year old.

Myrre
03-29-2013, 09:15 PM
What a joke tennis has a become.

STUHL
03-29-2013, 09:15 PM
Tennis slowly dies with this result. But it could be killed if the grunts win on sunday!

Jverweij
03-29-2013, 09:15 PM
Since I´m not able to say anything remotely constructive atm I´ll just say tough cookies Tommy

















bloody Ferrer and his running

EnriqueIG8
03-29-2013, 09:15 PM
Too much unforced errors from Haasi, also surrendering 2 breaks advantage in the third set is just too much.

Would have liked to see a Haasi vs Gasquet final here.

henke007
03-29-2013, 09:16 PM
Awesome Tourney Tommy ran out of Gas in serving and everything.

Ferrer could go 5 sets what a beast wins in similiar style as against Melzer. Congrats for nr 4 seeding in RG and Wimbledon David :)

Lugburz
03-29-2013, 09:16 PM
gutted.

Sanya
03-29-2013, 09:16 PM
You just can`t help saying the word "age" after this match speaking about reason of loss. Shame.

Topspindoctor
03-29-2013, 09:16 PM
Congrats to Mandy: 2013 Miami masters champ.


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emotion
03-29-2013, 09:16 PM
Well done, Ferrer. 2/ last 3 MS finals without playing all that well

Shame for Haas, but he doesn't have the mental toughness

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Brit Tennis Fan
03-29-2013, 09:16 PM
Anyone who wears a baseball cap backwards deserves to lose.

Federer in 2
03-29-2013, 09:16 PM
Haas, you have saved Tennis in R4, and this contribution will never be forgotten. LEGEND :worship:

Daveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed!!!!! What a guy! 2nd final in the last 3 Masters events, now go on and take that title! :D

VAMOS!!!!!!!!!!

Noleta
03-29-2013, 09:16 PM
Congrats Ferrer,physically he was too tough for Haas at the end.

Great week for Tommy:hug:

Chris Kuerten
03-29-2013, 09:16 PM
http://i.imgur.com/NWWyCHl.png

Player with the most winners won, good for the game.

Burrow
03-29-2013, 09:16 PM
Well there goes the excitement for the tournament. Massive opportunity missed by Haas.

Ferrer, on the other hand, is sensationally dire to watch.

fede37
03-29-2013, 09:17 PM
Haas :mad::mad::mad:

Ferrer:

http://static5.vayagif.com/gifs/2011/03/GIF_15032_epic_puke.gif

tennisfan856
03-29-2013, 09:17 PM
great, another final to not watch

misty1
03-29-2013, 09:17 PM
congrats david. I was pissed after he took out kei but im over it now

good luck in the final against whoever. I kind of hope he wins but i dont know if ill be able to take the amount of BS on here if he does

Rychu
03-29-2013, 09:17 PM
As expected, Haas couldn't keep his form the entire match.
Murray - Ferrer final though? Oh horrors:facepalm:

Deathless Mortal
03-29-2013, 09:17 PM
Sorry for Haas, this was a good chance, but kudos to Ferrer :worship:
2nd ATP 1000 final from the last three ATP 1000 tournaments, great job and now go get the second title as well. :rocker2:

B-Nard
03-29-2013, 09:17 PM
Sad to see Haas like this.

Had to laugh at Ferrer dropping to his knees after just barely winning a masters semi against a 35 year old.

It clearly means a lot to him. I doubt you could do any better.

Noleta
03-29-2013, 09:17 PM
Would have liked to see a Haasi vs Gasquet final here.

Same here.:(

retister
03-29-2013, 09:17 PM
Hard worker does it again :)
Sad for Tommy, no more fairy tales these days.

hvo
03-29-2013, 09:18 PM
First serve in 43 and 46% for Hass and Ferrer. And this is the semi final of Master 1000.

Whoever wins in the nest semi please win the whole thing to save tennis.

Certinfy
03-29-2013, 09:18 PM
How this old mug beat Djokovic is some crazy shit. :haha:

GrimbleGromble
03-29-2013, 09:18 PM
Stratospheric choke by Haas, should've won the 3rd 6-2.

Tennis puppies dying all over the world as we speak.

Lleyton_
03-29-2013, 09:18 PM
Expected vulturing from the Spanish #1.

leng jai
03-29-2013, 09:18 PM
Haas was too selfless to pull out of the doubles yesterday. What a guy.

Rychu
03-29-2013, 09:19 PM
Haas was too selfless to pull out of the doubles yesterday. What a guy.

:worship:

TheShowMustGoOn
03-29-2013, 09:19 PM
Congrats to Mandy: 2013 Miami masters champ.


Sent from Verticalsports.com Free App (http://www.verticalsports.com/mobile)Might as well have said that before this match..

Mr. Oracle
03-29-2013, 09:19 PM
Some gutsy play by Haas at this tourney, but ultimately, he is as I expected, a player in the same tier as Tipsarevic, albeit from a different, less competitive era. Does not have the necessary chutzpah (hi punky!) to maintain form for an entire tournament. The tour is full of players such as him.

Therefore:

Tispsarevic > Haas. :lol:

Ferrer, well done again. You deserve your ranking.

fabolous
03-29-2013, 09:19 PM
annoying match :(

Johnny Groove
03-29-2013, 09:20 PM
Just too good from Pics in that third set. Though I'd have liked to see Haas try to hold serve at 2-5 in the 2nd so he could serve first in the 3rd, but still, being up a break twice in the 3rd at 2-1 and 3-2 and losing, Jesus, that's rough.

Haas choked a bit, but he was forced to go closer and closer to the lines as Ferrer was just getting everything back.

acionescu
03-29-2013, 09:20 PM
:bounce: :bounce:

Now watch MTF implode if Richie beats Andy :lol:

Tommy :hug: Your R4 victory has earned you my indifference :D

Tiebreak100
03-29-2013, 09:20 PM
Not a great match. Both players were hot and cold throughout.

Best bit was the American guy in the crowd. Loved his shouts.

philosophicalarf
03-29-2013, 09:20 PM
If Ferrer wins Miami he's only 1200 points behind Fed.

Then if he has a good clay season, perhaps with Nadal skipping an event......

leng jai
03-29-2013, 09:21 PM
It's not a choke if you can barely hold a service game after the first set.

TheShowMustGoOn
03-29-2013, 09:21 PM
If Ferrer wins Miami he's only 1200 points behind Fed.

Then if he has a good clay season, perhaps with Nadal skipping an event......Yeah imagine if he does all that, he'll still be an inferior player to people he's ahead of.

Abel
03-29-2013, 09:21 PM
Wtf is the title about :lol:

Kat_YYZ
03-29-2013, 09:21 PM
Bravo David! :bigclap:

Tommy :awww: :hug:

Lugburz
03-29-2013, 09:21 PM
http://i.imgur.com/NWWyCHl.png

Player with the most winners won, good for the game.

such a stupid comment.

hipolymer
03-29-2013, 09:21 PM
If Ferrer wins Miami he's only 1200 points behind Fed.

Then if he has a good clay season, perhaps with Nadal skipping an event......

this is great. Mugerer will get exposed as the fraud top 5 that he is.

janko05
03-29-2013, 09:22 PM
from 3-1 to 3-6 Almagro style

Rychu
03-29-2013, 09:22 PM
If Ferrer wins Miami he's only 1200 points behind Fed.

Then if he has a good clay season, perhaps with Nadal skipping an event......

Overtaking Federer? The Ultimate Vulturing

Kiedis
03-29-2013, 09:22 PM
Haas lost his legs and relied mostly on serve in the end.

Average Ferrer get another big final against an average Murray. Not too excited, really.

BackhandDTL
03-29-2013, 09:23 PM
Wtf is the title about :lol:

That's basically what Ferrer's about. He's that nasty pothole down the street from you, and every road bump everywhere.

Sophitia36
03-29-2013, 09:23 PM
Well at least today Ferru played at his normal level for most of the match. Can't say he really played "well" by his standards, but after a dreadful start (as usual) he started playing normally.
Better than against Melzer, anyway.

I'll be interested to see what happens against Murray (unless it is Gasquet but I don't believe in this much). Will the challenge bring Ferrer closer to his best level, or will it just bring out even more starkly that he's not playing very well at the moment?

Alex999
03-29-2013, 09:24 PM
could someone kill me right now? :mad:

nole_no1
03-29-2013, 09:24 PM
Too bad Haas couldn't keep up the same level of play 'till the end

hvo
03-29-2013, 09:24 PM
:bounce: :bounce:

Now watch MTF implode if Richie beats Andy :lol:

Tommy :hug: Your R4 victory has earned you my indifference :D

You are wrong. Watch MTF go to sleep before Ferrer-Andy final, yawn, yawn yawn.

Moozza
03-29-2013, 09:24 PM
Well done Daveed. He deserves this so much, such a great player. The haters are mad, that's a good sign :yeah:.

Anyway he is are done winning matches in this tournament as the title belongs to Andy but well done to him on proving, yet again, that he is the REAL no 4.

Abel
03-29-2013, 09:24 PM
That's basically what Ferrer's about. He's that nasty pothole down the street from you, and every road bump everywhere.

I can see how that kind of works but the title makes no sense grammatically.

ProdigyEng
03-29-2013, 09:24 PM
easiest route to a Masters final? How lucky can this Ferrer get? Hopefully Richie teaches him a lesson on Sunday. Also, LOL @ Del Potro

You mean Murray? Or are you still in your bitter hating Murray mode after the USO?

Trollicki
03-29-2013, 09:25 PM
Fair play to David, deserved victory. His propensity to remorselessly snuff out any opponent who is on a run or who plays more interesting, albeit less consistent, tennis, while offering the most generic bland of tennis imaginable himself is revolting however. David, you are a huge party pooper. Shame on you.

B-Nard
03-29-2013, 09:25 PM
The reactions of some posters on here is utterly hilarious. Ferrer clinches victory and you dash out hyperbolic nonsense like "tennis is dead".

hipolymer
03-29-2013, 09:25 PM
You mean Murray? Or are you still in your bitter hating Murray mode after the USO?

I've always hated Murray. The dude is a blight upon tennis.

philosophicalarf
03-29-2013, 09:25 PM
this is great. Mugerer will get exposed as the fraud top 5 that he is.

*rolls eyes*

I was thinking more of the possibility of him making #2 in the rankings. He didn't do that well in the clay masters last year, only 550 points total from MC+Rome+Madrid.

The other shot for him will be later in the year, since he has 10 points total from Canada+Cincy+Shanghai.

latso
03-29-2013, 09:26 PM
The final starts in 90 minutes

I need it to unsee and unhear what just happened

BackhandDTL
03-29-2013, 09:27 PM
I can see how that kind of works but the title makes no sense grammatically.

Oh, yeah, it made me laugh though. It's nice to have something to laugh about after a match like that.

ProdigyEng
03-29-2013, 09:27 PM
Well done Daveed. He deserves this so much, such a great player. The haters are mad, that's a good sign :yeah:.

Anyway he is are done winning matches in this tournament as the title belongs to Andy but well done to him on proving, yet again, that he is the REAL no 4.

Your logic is flawed in this case. Nadal won the last Masters, and has more titles than Vulture this year, if Andy does win tonight, and then beat Ferrer in the final, I don't see how Ferrer being in a Master's final makes him the real Number 4....

Abel
03-29-2013, 09:27 PM
The reactions of some posters on here is utterly hilarious. Ferrer clinches victory and you dash out hyperbolic nonsense like "tennis is dead".

We're going to wish tennis was dead if it ends up being Ferrer/Murray in the final.

MIMIC
03-29-2013, 09:27 PM
So Ferrer > Djokovic?

latso
03-29-2013, 09:28 PM
I can see how that kind of works but the title makes no sense grammatically.
excuse my French, but it's pretty understandable for anyone speaking tennis :)

Andi-M
03-29-2013, 09:28 PM
Haas played great 1st set, but then his serve went to pot, but Ferrer deserves credit here, he played well his returns in sets 2 and 3 were fantastic.

Rychu
03-29-2013, 09:28 PM
We're going to wish tennis was dead if it ends up being Ferrer/Murray in the final.

this:zzz:

VamosRafaNadal
03-29-2013, 09:28 PM
Well done David, he was the more consistent player. Haas played well in the first set but after then he wasn't good when serving and played some beautiful points but made a lot of unforced errors. Ferrer started to play better in the baseline and started moving Haas, who was unconfortable.

Vamos David!

Brick Top
03-29-2013, 09:29 PM
Vulture in a MS final..nightmare continues.

leng jai
03-29-2013, 09:29 PM
You know it's bad when I had to put my pants back on.

Looner
03-29-2013, 09:29 PM
Disgusting.

B-Nard
03-29-2013, 09:29 PM
We're going to wish tennis was dead if it ends up being Ferrer/Murray in the final.

Oh, and how is that? Enlighten me. Yes, a match between the two wouldn't be anything tremendous, but your post suggests that the two are incapable of performing a watchable and entertaining match of tennis. Again, nonsensical, delirious hyperbole.

heya
03-29-2013, 09:29 PM
The Haas fans say he's superior on much faster, skiddier courts with this poor endurance.

They claim I say nothing but they're speechless in this thread. :lol: They were speechless when Nadal & Djoker won a bunch of titles.

Mark Lenders
03-29-2013, 09:29 PM
Robot beats talented player with variety, horrible for the game :( I never thought I'd say this, but Murray (or even Gasquet) needs to save tennis tomorrow. Reading the OP and a lot of posts in this thread, I'm glad more people are starting to realize Ferrer is what tennis needs to be saved from.

Lopez
03-29-2013, 09:29 PM
Like both guys. Shame for Haas but love seeing the anti-Ferrer brigade furious :rocker:.

Haas played really well in the first but Ferrer cleaned up his game and Haas couldn't keep up his level. Probably fatigued a bit.

Just like heaven
03-29-2013, 09:29 PM
:mad:

seljanin
03-29-2013, 09:30 PM
Damnit Tommy. Somehow was expecting for this to happen even after Tommy went a break up in that 3rd set and got that 3-1 lead. As soon as he was unable to hold in his next service game, it was all over. Getting a small opportunity was all that Ferrer needed there. Well, what to say, the more relentless player won.

great, another final to not watch

Yep. Well, at least I will have no regrets for not watching it.

STUHL
03-29-2013, 09:31 PM
You know it's bad when I had to put my pants back on.At least you still made my day :lol: :lol:

janko05
03-29-2013, 09:31 PM
Oh, and how is that? Enlighten me. Yes, a match between the two wouldn't be anything tremendous, but your post suggests that the two are incapable of performing a watchable and entertaining match of tennis. Again, nonsensical, delirious hyperbole.

let me guess, a long time lurker?

Abel
03-29-2013, 09:31 PM
Oh, and how is that? Enlighten me. Yes, a match between the two wouldn't be anything tremendous, but your post suggests that the two are incapable of performing a watchable and entertaining match of tennis. Again, nonsensical, delirious hyperbole.

It'll be a pushfest with Murray's bigger serve and ground-strokes eventually overcoming Ferrer :shrug: Neither of them are even playing at their best right now. It'll be yawnsome.

Haas/Gasquet would have been far more entertaining.

Beesley
03-29-2013, 09:32 PM
Tommy's talent is really overrated if he's able to lose to players like Ferrer.

Outstanding choke. I hope Haas is still alive after this colossal choke.

Allez
03-29-2013, 09:32 PM
I wish Rafa was waiting for Ferrer in the final so he could rip him a new one. This era is laughable.

STUHL
03-29-2013, 09:33 PM
Not really, I just think it's disgusting to insult a player like you did just because your favorite was losing.

Let me remind you that you are doing the same thing every time with Kohli?

GrimbleGromble
03-29-2013, 09:33 PM
When a tragedy like this happens I'm thankful we have the top 4 blocking Ferrer from being No.1 in the rankings.

Mateya
03-29-2013, 09:33 PM
Watched most of the first set, Haas was really good :yeah:

Then I had better things to do and when I come back at 2-3 in the third set I see Ferrer winning most of the last 20 points like a boss. :rocker2:

Haas ran out of gas, still a fantastic week for him and also his biggest fan, which is evident from this post:
I'm putting my pants back on if Haas doesn't hold here.

:haha:

Chris Kuerten
03-29-2013, 09:33 PM
It'll be a pushfest with Murray's bigger serve and ground-strokes eventually overcoming Ferrer :shrug: Neither of them are even playing at their best right now. It'll be yawnsome.

Haas/Gasquet would have been far more entertaining.You realize that Gasquet is the most defensive player out of these four, right?

Rychu
03-29-2013, 09:34 PM
Tommy's talent is really overrated if he's able to lose to players like Ferrer.

Outstanding choke. I hope Haas is still alive after this colossal choke.

So running out of gas is a definition of 'choke' right now?

latso
03-29-2013, 09:34 PM
It'll be a pushfest with Murray's bigger serve and ground-strokes eventually overcoming Ferrer :shrug: Neither of them are even playing at their best right now. It'll be yawnsome.

Haas/Gasquet would have been far more entertaining.

you can say that again...

actually the only match i would watch less than the expected final here is another Simon - Monfils soap opera :rolleyes:

champras
03-29-2013, 09:34 PM
Haas really woulda needed that night event :(
It is history now. Fairytale over. Nice run nevertheless.

Lugburz
03-29-2013, 09:34 PM
The Haas fans say he's superior on much faster, skiddier courts with this poor endurance.

They claim I say nothing but they're speechless in this thread. :lol: They were speechless when Nadal & Djoker won a bunch of titles.


wtf are you on about, yes it was me who claimed Haas is WAAAAY better on fast courts, and he said it also?

What about Djoker and Nadal, why would I care if they win lose titles? ?

Abel
03-29-2013, 09:35 PM
You realize that Gasquet is the most defensive player out of these four, right?

My point isn't that Murray and Ferrer are defensive and that's why it'll be a poor final. Gasquet/Haas would be a nice, contrasting match up. Murray and Ferrer are very similar for the most part with Murray's greater power being the main difference maker.

Gasquet's been a little more aggressive this week but even if he was doing his usual defensive schtick, he's a far more watchable shotmaker than either Ferrer or the Highlander.

latso
03-29-2013, 09:35 PM
You realize that Gasquet is the most defensive player out of these four, right?

oh please..... :rolleyes:

Andi-M
03-29-2013, 09:36 PM
Ferrer haters talking nonsense yet again.

This 'vulture' in the last 12 months has got most of his points from grandslams and masters -- I suppose Murray and Novak are vultures too...

B-Nard
03-29-2013, 09:36 PM
It'll be a pushfest with Murray's bigger serve and ground-strokes eventually overcoming Ferrer :shrug: Neither of them are even playing at their best right now. It'll be yawnsome.

Haas/Gasquet would have been far more entertaining.

I don't think it'll be yawnsome. Ferrer gets too much flack, especially on these online tennis communities (which are simply comedy goldmines). His game isn't the most watchable on tour, but he gets the job done. People are acting as if he produces no winners and no talented shots and merely relies on error over and over again. Maybe because he eliminated Haas, who seems to be an internet darling?

ProdigyEng
03-29-2013, 09:37 PM
http://i.imgur.com/TfqwYwL.png

Hahaha even people off the live chats next to Tennis streams know who Lenders is.

janko05
03-29-2013, 09:38 PM
I don't think it'll be yawnsome. Ferrer gets too much flack, especially on these online tennis communities (which are simply comedy goldmines). His game isn't the most watchable on tour, but he gets the job done. People are acting as if he produces no winners and no talented shots and merely relies on error over and over again. Maybe because he eliminated Haas, who seems to be an internet darling?

nice comprehension for a newcomer. you know your tennis sir :hatoff:

tripwires
03-29-2013, 09:39 PM
Disappointing result.

Moozza
03-29-2013, 09:39 PM
Lenders is famous.

Abel
03-29-2013, 09:40 PM
I don't think it'll be yawnsome. Ferrer gets too much flack, especially on these online tennis communities (which are simply comedy goldmines). His game isn't the most watchable on tour, but he gets the job done. People are acting as if he produces no winners and no talented shots and merely relies on error over and over again. Maybe because he eliminated Haas, who seems to be an internet darling?

I can appreciate Ferrer's game and what he's done to maximise his talents. The consistency of his groundstrokes is to be applauded. I prefer Haas' variety but I don't care enough either way to be bitter about it, I just want the most (possibly) entertaining final. :shrug: Ferrer/Murray is like an even worse version of the Nole/Murray match up.

Sophitia36
03-29-2013, 09:40 PM
Robot beats talented player with variety, horrible for the game :( I never thought I'd say this, but Murray (or even Gasquet) needs to save tennis tomorrow. Reading the OP and a lot of posts in this thread, I'm glad more people are starting to realize Ferrer is what tennis needs to be saved from.

So you're into Prince of Tennis now? :D

I used to watch some of these. There is some very weird stuff going on in this fandom, though. I could never quite figure out how they ended up having each character from the anime sing their own version of Valentine's Kiss by Kokusho Sayuri.

Rychu
03-29-2013, 09:40 PM
I don't think it'll be yawnsome. Ferrer gets too much flack, especially on these online tennis communities (which are simply comedy goldmines). His game isn't the most watchable on tour, but he gets the job done. People are acting as if he produces no winners and no talented shots and merely relies on error over and over again. Maybe because he eliminated Haas, who seems to be an internet darling?

I disagree. Most supported Haas because it was kinda a fairytale. A 35-year old guy beating Nole and reaching Masters SF. That being said you have to admit that Ferrer's game is boring and predictable.

janko05
03-29-2013, 09:40 PM
http://i.imgur.com/TfqwYwL.png

Hahaha even people off the live chats next to Tennis streams know who Lenders is.

MTF produces legends...what else is new :tennis:

Mr. Oracle
03-29-2013, 09:41 PM
It'll be a pushfest with Murray's bigger serve and ground-strokes eventually overcoming Ferrer :shrug: Neither of them are even playing at their best right now. It'll be yawnsome.

Haas/Gasquet would have been far more entertaining.

It's a nightmare final but I am curious to see how much effort Redray will put forth in order to overcome this highly motivated little energizer bunny vulture. Ferrer always comes to play at the masters events :hatoff:. I think Murray will go out all-guns-blazing cause he realizes that this is his last chance for glory in a long while since the clay season is starting.

Therefore pushray in 3 tight sets. :zzz:

Nole Rules
03-29-2013, 09:41 PM
Disgusting.

Mark Lenders
03-29-2013, 09:41 PM
I don't think it'll be yawnsome. Ferrer gets too much flack, especially on these online tennis communities (which are simply comedy goldmines). His game isn't the most watchable on tour, but he gets the job done. People are acting as if he produces no winners and no talented shots and merely relies on error over and over again. Maybe because he eliminated Haas, who seems to be an internet darling?

Cool story. You should tell it to Wing Man Frank if you see him.

B-Nard
03-29-2013, 09:41 PM
nice comprehension for a newcomer. you know your tennis sir :hatoff:

I am just looking at the sport from a pragmatic standpoint. People on forums get too deluded and caught up in their own little world, they begin to do nothing but downgrade the sport 90% of the time. It's sad.

Brit Tennis Fan
03-29-2013, 09:41 PM
Lenders is famous.

I think you mean infamous.

heya
03-29-2013, 09:42 PM
ugh That avatar photo of that arrogant, pathetic, noseless abusive numbskull drugged mental midget

Alex999
03-29-2013, 09:43 PM
Robot beats talented player with variety, horrible for the game :( I never thought I'd say this, but Murray (or even Gasquet) needs to save tennis tomorrow. Reading the OP and a lot of posts in this thread, I'm glad more people are starting to realize Ferrer is what tennis needs to be saved from.
it's a rabbit, not a robot ;)

B-Nard
03-29-2013, 09:43 PM
Cool story. You should tell it to Wing Man Frank if you see him.

"Cool story"? Such superficially shallow internet slang/terminology.

Mental Giant
03-29-2013, 09:45 PM
I can appreciate Ferrer's game and what he's done to maximise his talents. The consistency of his groundstrokes is to be applauded. I prefer Haas' variety but I don't care enough either way to be bitter about it, I just want the most (possibly) entertaining final. :shrug: Ferrer/Murray is like an even worse version of the Nole/Murray match up.

Murray/Simon is bad too!

janko05
03-29-2013, 09:45 PM
I am just looking at the sport from a pragmatic standpoint. People on forums get too deluded and caught up in their own little world, they begin to do nothing but downgrade the sport 90% of the time. It's sad.

it's always good to observe things from a perspective, right?

latso
03-29-2013, 09:45 PM
I don't think it'll be yawnsome. Ferrer gets too much flack, especially on these online tennis communities (which are simply comedy goldmines). His game isn't the most watchable on tour, but he gets the job done. People are acting as if he produces no winners and no talented shots and merely relies on error over and over again. Maybe because he eliminated Haas, who seems to be an internet darling?
Ferrer was borderline cheating with his grunts right before Haas hits the ball.

And those were most intense during the major games like at 6-4 *2-3 and the first half of the third set.

Everyone knows he's unwatchable, but respects him for being a fighter. I was the same until this match, in which i suspect him in intentionally trying to send Haas off with this despicable grunting.

Now i have no reason to respect this ball machine.

And his "multiple" winners are just lay offs and aces, except for one good return winner.

ProdigyEng
03-29-2013, 09:46 PM
Murray is not a pusher btw. Haters gonna hate though.

RandomChiller
03-29-2013, 09:47 PM
:(

Mark Lenders
03-29-2013, 09:47 PM
So you're into Prince of Tennis now? :D

I used to watch some of these. There is some very weird stuff going on in this fandom, though. I could never quite figure out how they ended up having each character from the anime sing their own version of Valentine's Kiss by Kokusho Sayuri.

Always liked the anime (actually first became a Kei fan when he tried to imitate the jumping backhands, it was hilarious stuff), but got into the mangas lately and they're far better and more realistic. The anime is awfully slow paced at times (not to mention they often rally inside the baseline :lol:) and yes the fandom can be quite bizarre.

Rychu
03-29-2013, 09:48 PM
Always liked the anime (actually first became a Kei fan when he tried to imitate the jumping backhands, it was hilarious stuff), but got into the mangas lately and they're far better and more realistic. The anime is awfully slow paced at times (not to mention they often rally inside the baseline :lol:) and yes the fandom can be quite bizarre.

:worship:

Burrow
03-29-2013, 09:50 PM
Some gutsy play by Haas at this tourney, but ultimately, he is as I expected, a player in the same tier as Tipsarevic, albeit from a different, less competitive era. Does not have the necessary chutzpah (hi punky!) to maintain form for an entire tournament. The tour is full of players such as him.

Therefore:

Tispsarevic > Haas. :lol:

Ferrer, well done again. You deserve your ranking.

Stop it.

B-Nard
03-29-2013, 09:50 PM
it's always good to observe things from a perspective, right?

From the most objective perspective possible, that's correct.



Everyone knows he's unwatchable, but respects him for being a fighter. I was the same until this match, in which i suspect him in intentionally trying to send Haas off with this despicable grunting.

Now i have no reason to respect this ball machine.

And his "multiple" winners are just lay offs and aces, except for one good return winner.

He's not unwatchable. How can somebody who evidently is a tennis fan call Ferrer's game "unwatchable"? Such ludicrous hyperbole. Yes, his game can be unappealing and plain at times, there's no denying that, but "unwatchable"? Ferrer may be a shallow ball grinder, but he is capable of giving us neat winners, diverting rallies and entertaining matches most of the time. Perhaps today's encounter with Haas wasn't the most primitive example. If you seriously believe Ferrer is as unwatchable as you so mindlessly claim, then I question how much you value the sport.

Lugburz
03-29-2013, 09:50 PM
heya, I'm still waiting on your reply.

Redaftw
03-29-2013, 09:52 PM
Ferrer's resiliency and attitude are respectable but he's really killing tennis with his style of play :(

Rychu
03-29-2013, 09:55 PM
From the most objective perspective possible, that's correct.



He's not unwatchable. How can somebody who evidently is a tennis fan call Ferrer's game "unwatchable"? Such ludicrous hyperbole. Yes, his game can be unappealing and plain at times, there's no denying that, but "unwatchable"? Ferrer may be a shallow ball grinder, but he is capable of giving us neat winners, diverting rallies and entertaining matches most of the time. Perhaps today's encounter with Haas wasn't the most primitive example. If you seriously believe Ferrer is as unwatchable as you so mindlessly claim, then I question how much you value the sport.

His gameplan quickly dissolves when he faces Real Top 4. AO SF and Acapulco F showed that.

Chris Kuerten
03-29-2013, 09:55 PM
And his "multiple" winners are just lay offs and aces, except for one good return winner.False. He had seven aces and 26 winners on top of that, in contrast to Haas' one ace and 24 other winners.

Lay-offs are what is called building up a point, winners are winners, it's irrelevant how they get there.

Jelena
03-29-2013, 09:56 PM
Haas ran out of gas, still a fantastic week for him
This.

Tostao80
03-29-2013, 09:57 PM
Rafa, 5th seed at the French? WTF? A travesty! Damn you daveed!

latso
03-29-2013, 09:57 PM
From the most objective perspective possible, that's correct.



He's not unwatchable. How can somebody who evidently is a tennis fan call Ferrer's game "unwatchable"? Such ludicrous hyperbole. Yes, his game can be unappealing and plain at times, there's no denying that, but "unwatchable"? Ferrer may be a shallow ball grinder, but he is capable of giving us neat winners, diverting rallies and entertaining matches most of the time. Perhaps today's encounter with Haas wasn't the most primitive example. If you seriously believe Ferrer is as unwatchable as you so mindlessly claim, then I question how much you value the sport.
Yes, these obvious characteristics of Ferrer's game are what i call "unwatchable".

You can question anything you want (which is funny when talking about taste...), but fancy rhetoric doesn't make your argument any deeper, just another plain and shallow forum rant.

janko05
03-29-2013, 09:58 PM
Rafa, 5th seed at the French? WTF? A travesty! Damn you daveed!

is this settled now?

leng jai
03-29-2013, 10:00 PM
The backhand shanks and deplorable serving were clearly due to fatigue partly caused by Ferrer's grinding and heavy forehand taking Haas out wide constantly. At 35 this amount of play is probably the ceiling for Haas especially when you take into account he made the QF in the doubles as well.

Mark Lenders
03-29-2013, 10:00 PM
http://i.imgur.com/TfqwYwL.png

Hahaha even people off the live chats next to Tennis streams know who Lenders is.

Never in doubt that someone with that nickname would take joy in tennis being killed by this robot before our very eyes.

Mental Giant
03-29-2013, 10:00 PM
Rafa, 5th seed at the French? WTF? A travesty! Damn you daveed!

Doesn't matter whoever they bring Nadal will beat them! Trust in Toni to see him straight!

ProdigyEng
03-29-2013, 10:01 PM
Never in doubt that someone with that nickname would take joy in tennis being killed by this robot before our very eyes.

Nah, he doesn't like Vulture himself. He's a fed fan.

janko05
03-29-2013, 10:01 PM
He's not unwatchable. How can somebody who evidently is a tennis fan call Ferrer's game "unwatchable"? Such ludicrous hyperbole. Yes, his game can be unappealing and plain at times, there's no denying that, but "unwatchable"? Ferrer may be a shallow ball grinder, but he is capable of giving us neat winners, diverting rallies and entertaining matches most of the time. Perhaps today's encounter with Haas wasn't the most primitive example. If you seriously believe Ferrer is as unwatchable as you so mindlessly claim, then I question how much you value the sport.

you may be right, but those two don't belong in the same sentence

latso
03-29-2013, 10:01 PM
False. He had seven aces and 26 winners on top of that, in contrast to Haas' one ace and 24 other winners.

Lay-offs are what is called building up a point, winners are winners, it's irrelevant how they get there.
That's where ppl who like shotmakers and real tennis players disagree with ppl who prefer marathon dirt ballers.

It is actually very relevant to me if you try to play tennis, improve your game going through risk and mistakes, to finally make it or not, compared to top spin moonball on the opponents' BH until they either kill you or kill themselves.

That's why Ferrer will always be a pigeon of the top guys and never will achieve anything in Slams.

The most annoying fact about his personality is that is enough for him and he wouldn't do anything different to ever try change it.

B-Nard
03-29-2013, 10:02 PM
I can appreciate Ferrer's game and what he's done to maximise his talents. The consistency of his groundstrokes is to be applauded. I prefer Haas' variety but I don't care enough either way to be bitter about it, I just want the most (possibly) entertaining final. :shrug: Ferrer/Murray is like an even worse version of the Nole/Murray match up.

This isn't wrestling. It isn't predetermined. We can't always get the best match up possible. Sometimes we're treated, other times slightly underwhelmed. Tennis would be ponderous if we were constantly treated with great match-ups.

I disagree. Most supported Haas because it was kinda a fairytale. A 35-year old guy beating Nole and reaching Masters SF. That being said you have to admit that Ferrer's game is boring and predictable.

Oh, is that right? Haas has been an internet darling long before his recent run at Miami. Certain imbeciles love to indulge in their infatuation with him because he brings an "old-school" game of tennis to the table, which is refreshing to see in comparison to today's apparent "dullness". Haas has a sublime all-court style, but certain, selective groups of deluded fanboys tend to believe he is a Messiah of sorts, saving tennis from its current rut. I am not pointing out anybody on this forum, but do some browsing on the internet and you'll see for yourself.

Yes, his run was endearing to see, I'm not denying that, but Ferrer clinches a victory today and all you see is exaggerated pap such as "tennis is dead". Nonsense.

BauerAlmeida
03-29-2013, 10:02 PM
Your logic is flawed in this case.

In ANY case his logic is flawed.

Rychu
03-29-2013, 10:02 PM
Doesn't matter whoever they bring Nadal will beat them! Trust in Toni to see him straight!

I have to agree with you on this one. If Nadal brigs his A game on RG courts it simply doesn't matter whether he's seeded 5 or 25. Master of clay will find his way.

Lugburz
03-29-2013, 10:02 PM
The Haas fans say he's superior on much faster, skiddier courts with this poor endurance.

They claim I say nothing but they're speechless in this thread. :lol: They were speechless when Nadal & Djoker won a bunch of titles.


Can someone pls argue this guy, because it seems he blocked me cause I provided valid points of how incredibly wrong and ignorant his statement is :lol:

So in his opinion you need to have better health/endurance for short points, while it doesn't matter when you play long rallies on slow courts :facepalm:

buddyholly
03-29-2013, 10:03 PM
easiest route to a Masters final? How lucky can this Ferrer get? Hopefully Richie teaches him a lesson on Sunday. Also, LOL @ Del Potro
If he wins Miami his mummy and daddy are going to buy him a Mickey Mouse tournament in Spain and give wild cards to family members.

Chris Kuerten
03-29-2013, 10:04 PM
That's where ppl who like shotmakers and real tennis players disagree with ppl who prefer marathon dirt ballers.

It is actually very relevant to me if you try to play tennis, improve your game going through risk and mistakes, to finally make it or not, compared to top spin moonball on the opponents' BH until they either kill you or kill themselves.

That's why Ferrer will always be a pigeon of the top guys and never will achieve anything in Slams.

The most annoying fact about his personality is that is enough for him and he wouldn't do anything different to ever try change it.There is nothing he can do to change those bad match-ups. He has absolutely maxed out his potential, you can't ask for more.

Trollicki
03-29-2013, 10:05 PM
Can someone pls argue this guy, because it seems he blocked me cause I provided valid points of how incredibly wrong and ignorant his statement is :lol:

So in his opinion you need to have better health/endurance for short points, while it doesn't matter when you play long rallies on slow courts :facepalm:

Heya usually tends to post once and then leave a thread, unless the subject at hand is Roddick. You should not expect a discussion.

Brit Tennis Fan
03-29-2013, 10:07 PM
is this settled now?

It isn't settled for certain but given the number of points both players have to defend between now and RG it looks almost certain. Even if Nadal wins MC, Barcelona, Madrid and Rome then there is still a decent chance that Ferrer would be ahead of him as he would only need something like 900 points between now and RG.

Cereal Killer
03-29-2013, 10:08 PM
:(

Mental Giant
03-29-2013, 10:09 PM
This isn't wrestling. It isn't predetermined. We can't always get the best match up possible. Sometimes we're treated, other times slightly underwhelmed. Tennis would be ponderous if we were constantly treated with great match-ups.


Logic. Not even once. Like arguing with a woman!

B-Nard
03-29-2013, 10:09 PM
How about the fact that he's been linked to Luis del Moral Garcia

David Ferrer has been an "average/above average" player until 27/28 yrs old and then, all of a sudden, became a "top player".

lol

Oh, I was waiting for this. How the hell does this have any direct correlation to what I was saying?

His gameplan quickly dissolves when he faces Real Top 4. AO SF and Acapulco F showed that.

And this is relevant how, exactly? Did I come out and say Ferrer is a tennis legend and great? No.

Yes, these obvious characteristics of Ferrer's game are what i call "unwatchable".

You can question anything you want (which is funny when talking about taste...), but fancy rhetoric doesn't make your argument any deeper, just another plain and shallow forum rant.

Fancy rhetoric? Please, instead of critiquing my method of argument, be more persuasive. Do you understand what the word "unwatchable" means? Do you have any idea how much significance that word holds? I have openly stated Ferrer's game isn't the most endearing out there, but to go to those extreme, maximal lengths and call his game unwatchable is juvenile and puerile. You tennis complainers are hard to please.

you may be right, but those two don't belong in the same sentence

I consider most of his matches light, easy entertainment, and certainly not unwatchable.

janko05
03-29-2013, 10:10 PM
It isn't settled for certain but given the number of points both players have to defend between now and RG it looks almost certain. Even if Nadal wins MC, Barcelona, Madrid and Rome then there is still a decent chance that Ferrer would be ahead of him as he would only need something like 900 points between now and RG.

it is settled then

Rychu
03-29-2013, 10:10 PM
This isn't wrestling. It isn't predetermined. We can't always get the best match up possible. Sometimes we're treated, other times slightly underwhelmed. Tennis would be ponderous if we were constantly treated with great match-ups.



Oh, is that right? Haas has been an internet darling long before his recent run at Miami. Certain imbeciles love to indulge in their infatuation with him because he brings an "old-school" game of tennis to the table, which is refreshing to see in comparison to today's apparent "dullness". Haas has a sublime all-court style, but certain, selective groups of deluded fanboys tend to believe he is a Messiah of sorts, saving tennis from its current rut. I am not pointing out anybody on this forum, but do some browsing on the internet and you'll see for yourself.

Yes, his run was endearing to see, I'm not denying that, but Ferrer clinches a victory today and all you see is exaggerated pap such as "tennis is dead". Nonsense.

Let's not exaggerate. People tend to be nostalgic you know.
About the next point well...that's the nature of MTF. You are going to have to cope with that. Besides valid comments there is also a lot of trolling, clowning etc. , some a lot worse than what we see today.

buddyholly
03-29-2013, 10:10 PM
The guy is a vulture... wins only when the top 4 can't
How low does one's IQ have to be to post regularly here?

Pirata.
03-29-2013, 10:13 PM
Some gutsy play by Haas at this tourney, but ultimately, he is as I expected, a player in the same tier as Tipsarevic, albeit from a different, less competitive era. Does not have the necessary chutzpah (hi punky!) to maintain form for an entire tournament. The tour is full of players such as him.

Therefore:

Tispsarevic > Haas. :lol:

Ferrer, well done again. You deserve your ranking.

:spit:

:haha:

:superlol:

Most hilarious post I've read on MTF since the days of SdG.

Lugburz
03-29-2013, 10:13 PM
Heya usually tends to post once and then leave a thread, unless the subject at hand is Roddick. You should not expect a discussion.

I see, does he also block people right after you prove him wrong ? :lol:

TigerTim
03-29-2013, 10:14 PM
all this talk of age, ferrer is 31ish isnt he?

latso
03-29-2013, 10:14 PM
There is nothing he can do to change those bad match-ups. He has absolutely maxed out his potential, you can't ask for more.
Even i can try to hit a flat FH every 10 shots, but he refuses to do so.

That's what i hate about him. He prefers to stay there and wait one of those guys is barely standing (Ao against Nadal..) and feast on his greatest victory...from where i suppose comes his fair nickname.

But never would he try to hit a flat shot from baseline ever, just top spin on the BH, top spin on the BH and again...

One either has sympathy for the guy being humble and knowing he couldn't do more, so he just works on his already endless stamina and hopes for less endurant adversaries.

Or despises this kind of...vulturing really, can't find a better word, it describes it so well.

I've always been in the middle and just by common courtesy stayed mostly on the "respect for the hard worker" side, but his disgusting intentional grunting tonight just lost me for this cause.

I'd rather watch Raonic beat Verdasco on clay than Ferrer outgrunt and outgrind and shotmaker, any of them.

B-Nard
03-29-2013, 10:14 PM
Logic. Not even once. Like arguing with a woman!

What because we can't always get things we want? People are upset Ferrer won because they wanted to witness a more entertaining final. Well, sport does that to you. That's the nature (and, often, beauty) of it. Without these variables, it'd be completely dull. And please elaborate on how you think I am being illogical in this argument. This should be fun.

Let's not exaggerate. People tend to be nostalgic you know.
About the next point well...that's the nature of MTF. You are going to have to cope with that. Besides valid comments there is also a lot of trolling, clowning etc. , some a lot worse than what we see today.

It's ridiculous. It makes your love of the sport decline; constantly complaining and carping. I have no problem with calling Ferrer a "dull player" but "unwatchable" is unnecessary, juvenile hyperbole.

latso
03-29-2013, 10:19 PM
Fancy rhetoric? Please, instead of critiquing my method of argument, be more persuasive. Do you understand what the word "unwatchable" means? Do you have any idea how much significance that word holds? I have openly stated Ferrer's game isn't the most endearing out there, but to go to those extreme, maximal lengths and call his game unwatchable is juvenile and puerile. You tennis complainers are hard to please.



I consider most of his matches light, easy entertainment, and certainly not unwatchable.
If we compare it to puppy torturing, then yes, Ferrer playing "tennis" is a walk in the park.

But the gradient here is based on the actual tennis players.

In terms of unwatchability here is my top 3 -

1. Ferrer
2. Raonic
3. Anyone else has smth appealing, ever Troicki, even Isner, even Simon, etc.

So from the active tennis players i rate Ferrer unwatchable. And the weight of the term is just in the eyes of the beholder ;)

Kat_YYZ
03-29-2013, 10:19 PM
His gameplan quickly dissolves when he faces Real Top 4. AO SF and Acapulco F showed that.
Same can be said for most other players outside re the Real Top 4. :shrug:

Trollicki
03-29-2013, 10:20 PM
I see, does he also block people right after you prove him wrong ? :lol:

I don´t have a clue. You shouldn´t care either, iskuliraj ga. Tough break on the Haas loss.

Pirata.
03-29-2013, 10:20 PM
If he wins Miami his mummy and daddy are going to buy him a Mickey Mouse tournament in Spain and give wild cards to family members.

:facepalm:

Ferrer is already partial owner of the Valencia tournament.

B-Nard
03-29-2013, 10:21 PM
If we compare it to puppy torturing, then yes, Ferrer playing "tennis" is a walk in the park.

But the gradient here is based on the actual tennis players.

In terms of unwatchability here is my top 3 -

1. Ferrer
2. Raonic
3. Anyone else has smth appealing, ever Troicki, even Isner, even Simon, etc.

So from the active tennis players i rate Ferrer unwatchable. And the weight of the term is just in the eyes of the beholder ;)

So, by its definition, if you were offered free tickets to watch Ferrer play an obscure qualifier, live, in person, with great seating, you'd decline the offer?

Chris Kuerten
03-29-2013, 10:22 PM
Even i can try to hit a flat FH every 10 shots, but he refuses to do so.

That's what i hate about him. He prefers to stay there and wait one of those guys is barely standing (Ao against Nadal..) and feast on his greatest victory...from where i suppose comes his fair nickname.

But never would he try to hit a flat shot from baseline ever, just top spin on the BH, top spin on the BH and again...

One either has sympathy for the guy being humble and knowing he couldn't do more, so he just works on his already endless stamina and hopes for less endurant adversaries.

Or despises this kind of...vulturing really, can't find a better word, it describes it so well.

I've always been in the middle and just by common courtesy stayed mostly on the "respect for the hard worker" side, but his disgusting intentional grunting tonight just lost me for this cause.

I'd rather watch Raonic beat Verdasco on clay than Ferrer outgrunt and outgrind and shotmaker, any of them.Good luck finding a player who is at least 10 cm shorter than his opponents pounding out winners with flat shots on a consistent basis, especially against the GOAT defenders we have now :rolleyes:

Sophitia36
03-29-2013, 10:23 PM
Logic. Not even once. Like arguing with a woman!

You are aware that there ARE some women posting on MTF, right? :rolleyes:


From the most objective perspective possible, that's correct.
He's not unwatchable. How can somebody who evidently is a tennis fan call Ferrer's game "unwatchable"? Such ludicrous hyperbole. Yes, his game can be unappealing and plain at times, there's no denying that, but "unwatchable"? Ferrer may be a shallow ball grinder, but he is capable of giving us neat winners, diverting rallies and entertaining matches most of the time. Perhaps today's encounter with Haas wasn't the most primitive example. If you seriously believe Ferrer is as unwatchable as you so mindlessly claim, then I question how much you value the sport.

Mug, if you are a new comer, I must warn you: as an apparently sensible poster, the best thing to do is to ignore the anti-Ferrer trolls and haters. They cannot cope with the fact that Ferrer is n°4 and wins matches against players they consider superior. They're not looking for reasonable arguments, they just want to vent their feelings, so, let them :angel:

Lugburz
03-29-2013, 10:24 PM
http://cdn.imghack.se/images/6ae609f388a9528686e0b1854e118151.jpg

gutted. :sad:

latso
03-29-2013, 10:27 PM
So, by its definition, if you were offered free tickets to watch Ferrer play an obscure qualifier, live, in person, with great seating, you'd decline the offer?
ok, i change my claim - Ferrer is the most unwatchable player on TV

happy?

Rychu
03-29-2013, 10:28 PM
Same can be said for most other players outside re the Real Top 4. :shrug:

True, but he is so ridiculously outplayed by them it's almost a joke. H2H vs Federer 0-14??? :facepalm: I won't even mention this year's results against Big 4.

B-Nard
03-29-2013, 10:30 PM
Mug, if you are a new comer, I must warn you: as an apparently sensible poster, the best thing to do is to ignore the anti-Ferrer trolls and haters. They cannot cope with the fact that Ferrer is n°4 and wins matches against players they consider superior. They're not looking for reasonable arguments, they just want to vent their feelings, so, let them :angel:

Their laughable in the extreme. I am fine with anybody who clearly has a distaste for Ferrer and his game, but the amount of sheer hyperbole and foolhardiness on display is spellbinding.


ok, i change my claim - Ferrer is the most unwatchable player on TV

happy?

No, because I still disagree with you.

mseles1
03-29-2013, 10:30 PM
It isn't settled for certain but given the number of points both players have to defend between now and RG it looks almost certain. Even if Nadal wins MC, Barcelona, Madrid and Rome then there is still a decent chance that Ferrer would be ahead of him as he would only need something like 900 points between now and RG.

Does RG seed according to ranking? The tournament seeded Sampras one all those years? Wordless when it comes to a scenario were a player who's won the event 7/last 8 times is seeded fifth. Manchester will be tropical before the French do Nadal any favours I suppose.

Disappointing match. Murray/Ferrer - Murray/Simon = no to both. I'll >> & just watch Andy's bh winners.

juan27
03-29-2013, 10:32 PM
Ferrer being in the 2 out of the last 3 MS finals.

Well done to the Iron Warrior.

patetic era....

haas after many injurys and surgerys with 35 years old in the semis ( defeating the nº1) and against ferrer , a guy of federer generation but that in that time he was another x player and " specialist in clay"

how a clay court player like ferrer won his first masters1000 in indoor , and plays finals of WTF , shangai and miami???? or winning in grass too!!!!!!!!!!

and nadull`s tard pissed when I say that is the most patetic era in clay of all times.

the second best clay court specialist after nadal has his better archivements in hard and indoor!!!!

but this is this era , robost from the baseline running and returning , the good and classical tennis???? it`s dead.

I don`t know if roger`s era was weak or strong , but the tennis quality was much better , much more beatiful tennis with more faster corts.

ATP with his homogenization of the surfaces it`s killing tennis

latso
03-29-2013, 10:33 PM
Good luck finding a player who is at least 10 cm shorter than his opponents pounding out winners with flat shots on a consistent basis, especially against the GOAT defenders we have now :rolleyes:
This is exactly why i like guys like Oli Rochus and Kei Nishikori, coz they would try. They would lose most times (just as Ferrer actually), but the matches would always be entertaining and they would gain respect from people like me, who appreciate this kind of tennis.

That's what i dislike about Ferrer, but mostly the grunting part. This pissed me off big time tonight. I usually try to avoid watching him (on TV, i would defo go to watch him live... :D ), but i did several times and his grunting never was that displaced and annoying.

Does he do this all the time or only when in losing position? I mean, this was really bad, i felt a bit like a long time Armstrong fan....

latso
03-29-2013, 10:36 PM
Their laughable in the extreme. I am fine with anybody who clearly has a distaste for Ferrer and his game, but the amount of sheer hyperbole and foolhardiness on display is spellbinding.




No, because I still disagree with you.

How is that a problem? We agree to disagree and that's it.

I don't want to change your opinion and i'm hardly changing mine, simply because what he did tonight i rate cheating and it's the main part of my disappointment, which part you strangely prefer to ignore...

BEBE91
03-29-2013, 10:36 PM
Sometimes I have a feeling that Ferrer is just teasing his opponents by starting so bad and eventually winning.:lol:

Moozza
03-29-2013, 10:39 PM
patetic era....

haas after many injurys and surgerys with 35 years old in the semis ( defeating the nº1) and against ferrer , a guy of federer generation but that in that time he was another x player and " specialist in clay"

how a clay court player like ferrer won his first masters1000 in indoor , and plays finals of WTF , shangai and miami???? or winning in grass too!!!!!!!!!!

and nadull`s tard pissed when I say that is the most patetic era in clay of all times.

the second best clay court specialist after nadal has his better archivements in hard and indoor!!!!

but this is this era , robost from the baseline running and returning , the good and classical tennis???? it`s dead.

I don`t know if roger`s era was weak or strong , but the tennis quality was much better , much more beatiful tennis with more faster corts.

ATP with his homogenization of the surfaces it`s killing tennis

Maybe that's because he's not a clay court specialist? :facepalm:

Chris Kuerten
03-29-2013, 10:39 PM
This is exactly why i like guys like Oli Rochus and Kei Nishikori, coz they would try. They would lose most times (just as Ferrer actually), but the matches would always be entertaining and they would gain respect from people like me, who appreciate this kind of tennis.

That's what i dislike about Ferrer, but mostly the grunting part. This pissed me off big time tonight. I usually try to avoid watching him (on TV, i would defo go to watch him live... :D ), but i did several times and his grunting never was that displaced and annoying.

Does he do this all the time or only when in losing position? I mean, this was really bad, i felt a bit like a long time Armstrong fan....Nishikori is a bad example, he's pretty defensive most of the times.

I can't really answer your grunting question, I don't even notice players grunting anymore because I got so used to it, unless it's at a Granollers level.

B-Nard
03-29-2013, 10:40 PM
How is that a problem? We agree to disagree and that's it.

I don't want to change your opinion and i'm hardly changing mine, simply because what he did tonight i rate cheating and it's the main part of my disappointment, which part you strangely prefer to ignore...

In regards to the grunting, I watch most of my tennis matches on a low volume and can be a little inattentive at times, but I will take your word on it, although can not comment since it is merely speculation at this stage.

And it's a problem because I can't for the life of me fathom as to why somebody would call Ferrer, an established, universally respected top ten player "unwatchable". But I appreciate your levelheadedness in this discussion, since you're not resorting to senseless remarks.

Li Ching Yuen
03-29-2013, 10:42 PM
These slow courts really have made Ferrer's career quite into something.

I don't buy into the whole improving physically thing. He was always like an energizer bunny. I remember back in 2003 he was more or less the same player but with a weaker backhand, fast forward a decade and he makes Masters semies by drilling shots cross-court.

Props, Mr.Haas, for a great tournament. These Germans play like a different sport sometimes, so easy on the eyes.

lucyfur
03-29-2013, 10:45 PM
:no:

Rumour
03-29-2013, 10:45 PM
Since I like both guys I was content with either winning (barring serious controversy or injury) but have to admit that the haters' butthurt reaction makes Ferrer's victory a lot bit better :devil:

latso
03-29-2013, 10:45 PM
Nishikori is a bad example, he's pretty defensive most of the times.

I can't really answer your grunting question, I don't even notice players grunting anymore because I got so used to it, unless it's at a Granollers level.
Kei isn't the perfect example indeed, yet he's at least for me much more a shot maker than Ferrer.

I often watch these matches soundless and often miss this, but for some reason i watch and listened to this one and it was really annoying.

I'm actually not spamming the forum with "ban the cheater" kind of threads only because Haas never even seemed to notice it, while he's usually a hot tempered one and if it had annoyed him, he might have asked the umpire for a warning or whatever.

Still in my mind it looked intentional and unfair, despite it wasn't the prime reason for Haas losing.

Anyways, never been a fan of Ferrer, never will be a Landers' level of hater for the guy, but i'm definitely on the antipathy side now.

ProdigyEng
03-29-2013, 10:47 PM
patetic era....

haas after many injurys and surgerys with 35 years old in the semis ( defeating the nº1) and against ferrer , a guy of federer generation but that in that time he was another x player and " specialist in clay"

how a clay court player like ferrer won his first masters1000 in indoor , and plays finals of WTF , shangai and miami???? or winning in grass too!!!!!!!!!!

and nadull`s tard pissed when I say that is the most patetic era in clay of all times.

the second best clay court specialist after nadal has his better archivements in hard and indoor!!!!

but this is this era , robost from the baseline running and returning , the good and classical tennis???? it`s dead.

I don`t know if roger`s era was weak or strong , but the tennis quality was much better , much more beatiful tennis with more faster corts.

ATP with his homogenization of the surfaces it`s killing tennis

Are you friends with Tag?

FedererBulgaria
03-29-2013, 10:47 PM
Sad for tennis

Chris Kuerten
03-29-2013, 10:47 PM
Kei isn't the perfect example indeed, yet he's at least for me much more a shot maker than Ferrer.

I often watch these matches soundless and often miss this, but for some reason i watch and listened to this one and it was really annoying.

I'm actually not spamming the forum with "ban the cheater" kind of threads only because Haas never even seemed to notice it, while he's usually a hot tempered one and if it had annoyed him, he might have asked the umpire for a warning or whatever.

Still in my mind it looked intentional and unfair, despite it wasn't the prime reason for Haas losing.

Anyways, never been a fan of Ferrer, never will be a Landers' level of hater for the guy, but i'm definitely on the antipathy side now.Not only Haas didn't notice it, it seems you're the only one in this thread too who is talking about it :lol:

latso
03-29-2013, 10:53 PM
Not only Haas didn't notice it, it seems you're the only one in this thread too who is talking about it :lol:
yeah...that's also why i'll just leave it :o

allez Gasquet now :D

heya
03-29-2013, 10:54 PM
Can someone pls argue this guy, because it seems he blocked me cause I provided valid points of how incredibly wrong and ignorant his statement is :lol:

So in his opinion you need to have better health/endurance for short points, while it doesn't matter when you play long rallies on slow courts :facepalm:

I didn't block you. I never spend hours in private messages.

Apparently, you didn't notice the 5 set matches he played against Federer were because he served better.

It didn't matter if he enjoyed indoors Memphis & similar courts; his serve was making it harder to succeed when the SLOWER SERVERS got better angle serve/return aided by the INDOOR FASTER COURT.

The fact is he got nervous & should've blasted his serve & forehand. Ferrer hammered forehands & Haas got defensive LIKE HE DID 8 years ago ON GRASS & FAST INDOOR courts.

NID
03-29-2013, 10:56 PM
Haha, kinda funny and sad at the same time to see Ferrer grind Haas into submission.
Return of the vulture...

Lugburz
03-29-2013, 11:03 PM
I didn't block you. I never spend hours in private messages.

Apparently, you didn't notice the 5 set matches he played against Federer were because he served better.

It didn't matter if he enjoyed indoors Memphis & similar courts; his serve was making it harder to succeed when the SLOWER SERVERS got better angle serve/return aided by the INDOOR FASTER COURT.

The fact is he got nervous & should've blasted his serve & forehand. Ferrer hammered forehands & Haas got defensive LIKE HE DID 8 years ago ON GRASS & FAST INDOOR courts.

Haas got defensive?:confused:

The majority of the shots could have been ended way faster in favor of Haas, if this was faster court.

It doesn't matter how he played on fast courts, what matters is that he SAID 2 days ago that the court is too slow for his liking.

Not to mention on twitter where he said, that slowing down the courts is definitely hurting him.

Tommy Haas ‏@TommyHaas13 27 Jan

“@nsidhan: @TommyHaas13 u think slowing down the courts is hurting men's tennis?
It's hurting me :)


So how on earth can he benefits from slow courts??

born_on_clay
03-29-2013, 11:04 PM
great job David :yeah:

Time Violation
03-29-2013, 11:07 PM
One of the biggest NIDs so far this season, Ferrer wasn't going to miss a chance like this, no way. :) Win the whole thing now :rocker2:

Topspindoctor
03-29-2013, 11:12 PM
One of the biggest NIDs so far this season, Ferrer wasn't going to miss a chance like this, no way. :) Win the whole thing now :rocker2:

Yes, win the whole thing against much better pusher :rolleyes:


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Han Solo
03-29-2013, 11:16 PM
happy about this result for one reason. nadal will be 5th seed at RG. makes QF more interesting

Not if you have the sneaking suspicion that Nadal will be drawn in Ferrer's quarter, or Federer's quarter, or Murray's quarter...basically, any quarter that does not contain Djokovic. Business as usual for Nadal.

As to the match, sad for Haas but a depressingly expected result. Not looking forward to a rather dull final between Ferrer and Murray, neither of whom have the game to set the world on fire, let's say.

danieln1
03-29-2013, 11:19 PM
Noooo... I was cheering for Haas today.

Murray should win this title.

Travod
03-29-2013, 11:20 PM
Just :facepalm:

I watch Ferrer maximum 3 times per year and i always regret it at the end.

His grunting 3 seconds after hitting the ball is a violation of the rules, it's disgusting and he should be banned from tennis.

IMO :rolleyes:

Haas ofc choked a few serves out, but i can imagine the pressure :(

Anyway, I noticed Haas kind of jumps around a lot during the opponent's serve. I'd consider that just as distracting.

MaxPower
03-29-2013, 11:21 PM
the vulture sucking the last life-juice out of tennis. Another "exciting" final coming up

Han Solo
03-29-2013, 11:23 PM
Anyway, I noticed Haas kind of jumps around a lot during the opponent's serve. I'd consider that just as distracting.

Funny, I kind of notice Ferrer did that a bit, although admittedly haven't watched him a lot recently.

Myrre
03-29-2013, 11:24 PM
http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/crT4MxNWXyxFGpDy9PktrQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Y2g9MzYwO2NyPTE7Y3c9NjQwO2R4PTA7ZH k9MDtmaT11bGNyb3A7aD0zNTU7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_GB/Sports/Eurosport/978666-15979959-640-360.jpg

no comments necessary

heya
03-29-2013, 11:34 PM
You keep feeding the player the hopeless attitude that it's too slow, then there's no more chance.
Only dreams to win.

Nadal is supposed to do well here but obviously he couldn't grind out in the finals. It takes more than
quick serve winners and longer rallies to win titles.

If you don't move well enough, cute backhands and mediocre volleys do nothing (even if you won the event 3 times).
Haas changes his mind in the 2nd set, then hesitates at net. He's scared that he can't serve & return even though Ferrer's 3 feet behind the baseline. No focus.

Time Violation
03-29-2013, 11:43 PM
Yes, win the whole thing against much better pusher :rolleyes:

He ain't there yet~

Lugburz
03-29-2013, 11:45 PM
You keep feeding the player the hopeless attitude that it's too slow, then there's no more chance.
Only dreams to win.

Nadal is supposed to do well here but obviously he couldn't grind out in the finals. It takes more than
quick serve winners and longer rallies to win titles.

If you don't move well enough, cute backhands and mediocre volleys do nothing (even if you won the event 3 times).
Haas changes his mind in the 2nd set, then hesitates at net. He's scared that he can't serve & return even though Ferrer's 3 feet behind the baseline. No focus.

I didn't even understand your 1st sentence, but nevermind you are off topic again.

About the match, Haas wasn't scared, he simply couldn't serve, 2nd and 3rd set his 1st service was below 25-30% which is ridiculous. And all of those that went in, Ferrer came up with amazing returns.

Also Haas's volleys are way over mediocre level, one of the best on tour. He doesn't do too many S&V this year, but that doesn't prove anything. His touches on the net are simply brilliant.
You can't win if you don't move enough here, I agree. And Tommy more than proved that he can move well, as much in this match and also in his previous matches especially vs Simon where you need to move well.

The low angle camera shows perfectly how slow this court is and how Tommy doesn't like high bouncing balls.
If this was faster court, he would have AT LEAST confirmed his breaks in the 3rd set. If this was Halle, he wouldn't give any chance of Ferrer breaking back 2 times in the row, not even with his 2nd serve.
Why? Because his style of game even considering he is all around player, more benefits from faster surfaces.

heya
03-30-2013, 12:09 AM
You're obviously annoyed but you're saying what he says is more important than what he does on court?

So if Haas disliked slow courts,
why did he reach the clay final like in Rome?
He served better to reach finals.
He should've served more confidently in 2009 French Open to get the chance to win it all.

He clearly didn't feel confident because
of a decade of hearing how slower courts hurt many guys.
Well, he doesn't like high bounce but he also
throws loopy returns to Ferrer.
Haas kept moonballing the volley up.
Ferrer didn't hesitate like Haas did.
Ferrer's not too stupid.


Ferrer moves very well here. Haas cruised by Simon because Simon doesn't like hitting & serving fast. Obviously, Simon thinks it's too quick of a court to return Haas' serve.

paseo
03-30-2013, 12:16 AM
Noooo.....

Lugburz
03-30-2013, 12:16 AM
You're obviously annoyed but you're saying what he says is more important than what he does on court?

So if Haas disliked slow courts,
why did he reach the clay final like in Rome?
He served better to reach finals.
He should've served more confidently in 2009 French Open to get the chance to win it all.

He clearly didn't feel confident because
of a decade of hearing how slower courts hurt many guys.
Well, he doesn't like high bounce but he also
throws loopy returns to Ferrer.
Haas kept moonballing the volley up.
Ferrer didn't hesitate like Haas did.
Ferrer's not too stupid.


Ferrer moves very well here. Haas cruised by Simon because Simon doesn't like hitting & serving fast. Obviously, he Simon thinks it's too quick of a court to return Haas' serve.

The only factual thing here by you is that Haas did throw loopy backahnds, but only because Ferrer was on the other side, thats why he is all around player. Even if he uses 99% of the time flat bh and flat shots in general, he's not shy to try anything else if that is what it takes to beat someone like Simon or Ferrer.

And tbh the title in Rome, If I may be so bold, I wouldn't be surprised if it was faster than Miami and IW even on clay. Hell even these days some clay courts LOOK faster than Miami and IW.

And to settle a deal about Haas benefiting more from slower courts (wich you are absolutely wrong), just look at the career achievements, and you'll see he's way more efficient on faster courts.

timafi
03-30-2013, 12:20 AM
oh Tommy,same shit,different day,still a choker

GSMnadal
03-30-2013, 12:37 AM
The weakest player from the strong era, who struggles to win games against the top guys, beats Haas 2.0. Telling to say the least.

Disgusting result though, Ferrer with another fluked masters run and perhaps title. He would've lost the moment he faced a decent player, yet none seem to come on his path. If he faces Gasquet that would be a fitting way to end this tournament.

heya
03-30-2013, 12:38 AM
Lugburz
I saw his win in Memphis. It wasn't that difficult. His opponent could do nothing with a 135 mph serve between 2001-2007. Haas was confident against a poor mover.

I believe you were 19.

He did well at 31 years old on clay and he got better, not just indoor fast court. French Open was to my knowledge, uh, slow.
Wimbledon was one of his least successful Slams and it's uh, not so slow.
I'm sure if he was so brilliant at net, you'd be seeing a French Open title, at least. Not the US Open.

BroTree123
03-30-2013, 12:39 AM
NO! :mad: What a gross result :o Joke event for sure now. Hopefully he gets crushed in the final. So Mugray, you better be there ffs.

Lugburz
03-30-2013, 12:42 AM
Lugburz
I saw his win in Memphis. It wasn't that difficult. His opponent could do nothing with a 135 mph serve between 2001-2007. Haas was confident against a poor mover.

I believe you were 19.

He did well at 31 years old on clay and he got better, not just indoor fast court. French Open was to my knowledge, uh, slow.
Wimbledon was one of his least successful Slams and it's uh, not so slow.
I'm sure if he was so brilliant at net, you'd be seeing a French Open title, at least. Not the US Open.

lolwhut? :lol:

btw, Wimbledon semis is not bad at all, should have he faced any other besides Fed, he would have made it to the finals. He was that good.

misty1
03-30-2013, 12:46 AM
the ferrer hate is getting out of hand

I feel for the guy, i really do. he's damned if he does and damned if he doesnt really

GSMnadal
03-30-2013, 12:48 AM
the ferrer hate is getting out of hand

I feel for the guy, i really do. he's damned if he does and damned if he doesnt really

No he's not.

He's not damned if he actually shows something against one of the top guys. I'm not even saying he has to win, but taking more than 5 games in a 3 set match would be a nice place to start.

MichaelKrep
03-30-2013, 12:49 AM
Vultures be vulturing.

misty1
03-30-2013, 12:53 AM
No he's not.

He's not damned if he actually shows something against one of the top guys. I'm not even saying he has to win, but taking more than 5 games in a 3 set match would be a nice place to start.

im talking more speciically about this event. If he had failed to take advantage of the draw he would be slammed.He's made the final and he's getting slammed

even when he beats other top players there's always a reason for why that happened.

he might not have a great record against the top 4 in the world but no one does.

I agree though its frustrating when he gets crushed by them but that really only happens against nadal, djokovic and federer. he's beaten andy a number of times.

The guy almost never loses to guys ranked below him and thats why he is where he is and therefor has proven he deserves his ranking. Most of the time when he3 comes across the guys like berdych, del potro or tsonga..guys everyone says should be ranked higher than him he beats them

Lugburz
03-30-2013, 12:57 AM
misty,
It does feel a bit unfair, but you ought to know many people hate his style of game, not him. Here on MTF that's the same thing, if you hate his game, you automatically hate him as well. Which wrong, but this is MTF, so everything is understandable..

There's no doubt he's an amazing athlete which he's proven over the years, I don't like his tennis..not...one...bit... but I definitely respect him.

heya
03-30-2013, 01:15 AM
Ferrer doesn't get out of control. He wins 8 titles and people are angry that he manipulates his opponents in more semis/finals. How many guys 7 years ago were athletic and smart like him the last 6 years?

blackwell
03-30-2013, 01:16 AM
Disgusting result for us all.. The vulture smelt a cakewalk. Thank god he will face Murray in the final and tennis wll be saved

nolesfan2011
03-30-2013, 01:18 AM
hate that Haas lost this, came so close to making the final, which I think he could have won.. but once again Ferrer out works his opponent.

Rychu
03-30-2013, 01:19 AM
No he's not.

He's not damned if he actually shows something against one of the top guys. I'm not even saying he has to win, but taking more than 5 games in a 3 set match would be a nice place to start.

7-30 in games vs Big 4 this year. Telling.:facepalm:

Mark Lenders
03-30-2013, 01:34 AM
the ferrer hate is getting out of hand

I feel for the guy, i really do. he's damned if he does and damned if he doesnt really

Lol what? You make it sound as if he's hated for no reason, when this is known not to be the case. He won't be 'damned' if he stops killing tennis with his robotic game and distorting seedings in big events by vulturing to get an inflated ranking. Do you see any other players getting hate for this very same reason? No, and it's not a coincidence.

Tiebreak100
03-30-2013, 01:39 AM
For all those booting Ferrer for having the cheek to win, Haas won the first set playing good attacking tennis. It was the German who lost composure and barely hit a first serve in set 2 and 3, so blame him for becoming error strewn. The Spaniard just did what he normally does. Not his fault that an unfocused Tommy Tantrum reappeared.

rutinos harcos
03-30-2013, 01:41 AM
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeessssssssssssssssss.
Epic celebration from Pics.

leng jai
03-30-2013, 01:42 AM
For all those booting Ferrer for having the cheek to win, Haas won the first set playing good attacking tennis. It was the German who lost composure and barely hit a first serve in set 2 and 3, so blame him for becoming error strewn. The Spaniard just did what he normally does. Not his fault that an unfocused Tommy Tantrum reappeared.

He didn't lose composure at all actually. Just general fatigue and a relentless Ferrer which caused the stark drop in play.

Chirag
03-30-2013, 01:43 AM
Haas losing was so not fair :sad:

We will have a very boring final now

Mr. Oracle
03-30-2013, 01:45 AM
The weakest player from the strong era, who struggles to win games against the top guys, beats Haas 2.0. Telling to say the least.

Disgusting result though, Ferrer with another fluked masters run and perhaps title. He would've lost the moment he faced a decent player, yet none seem to come on his path. If he faces Gasquet that would be a fitting way to end this tournament.

IDK, Ferrer has some nice kills on his resume. I remember him manhandling djoker around at barclays in 2011 as if he was a club player. His matches are usually competitive against the other top players, and you usually have to beat him to get the win. That's why I respect him. Not everyone can be a superstar.

Slade
03-30-2013, 01:45 AM
:haha: Great read in this 16 page topic so far. It's like the guy shot Santa Claus or some shit.

Wouldn't have minded if Haas won this one (love his game), but good to see Ferrer through :yeah:

Chris Kuerten
03-30-2013, 01:46 AM
For all those booting Ferrer for having the cheek to win, Haas won the first set playing good attacking tennis. It was the German who lost composure and barely hit a first serve in set 2 and 3, so blame him for becoming error strewn. The Spaniard just did what he normally does. Not his fault that an unfocused Tommy Tantrum reappeared.

:facepalm:

Ferrer was awful up until 2-5*, spraying UE all over the place. After that he started dominating the match by upping his game. Haas' lack of first serves helped with that, of course.

Kat_YYZ
03-30-2013, 01:51 AM
so many non-sports fans here. go back to the movie theatre, where you will get your scripted happy ending with things turning out as you think they "ought" to be.

Ferrer won. He won. Deal with it.

gulzhan
03-30-2013, 01:51 AM
Great chance for Ferrer to get a Masters title, he certainly deserves one.

Semifinal of Miami was huge for Haas. It would be a joke if he got into the final.

MuzzahLovah
03-30-2013, 01:58 AM
I went to work as soon as Tommy got broken in the 2nd set. Seems like I didn't miss much. It was nice while it lasted, Haas :yeah:

gulzhan
03-30-2013, 02:01 AM
Lol what? You make it sound as if he's hated for no reason, when this is known not to be the case. He won't be 'damned' if he stops killing tennis with his robotic game and distorting seedings in big events by vulturing to get an inflated ranking.

This is beyond of stupid. I used to stay away from idiotic "Ferrer's ranking is unfair" dispute but the guy speaks as if he has right :tape:

Really, really?!!!

Are you in a theater? In a concert? In an art gallery?

It's SPORT! Sport is fair per se! Who wins is better, period. Game style does not matter, result matters. You may like one team more than another, you can love Brazilians and hate Germans, but if Germany scores and Brazil doesn't, it means they win. Never heard people complaining that X runner won unfairly because he runs like a robot when runner Y runs much more aesthetically pleasing. Imagine something like that being said about boxing for example! :rolls:

But tennis, of course, here anyone who never played the game can talk about who deserves to win more and why! :facepalm:

Tiebreak100
03-30-2013, 02:06 AM
:facepalm:

Ferrer was awful up until 2-5*, spraying UE all over the place. After that he started dominating the match by upping his game. Haas' lack of first serves helped with that, of course.

Yeh, the Ferrer forehand was erratic to say the least. It was combination of Ferrer stepping up and Haas going off the boil that lead to the end result. If Haas had played like he had previously in the tournament for the duration of the match then he would have won.

Its all well and good for people to say attacking tennis lost, and to an extent I agree, but for an offensive game to be effective it must be maintained throughout the match. I therefore cannot see how criticism of Ferrer is justified when Haas did not maintain his high standards from earlier in the week.

For those suggesting Haas was tired, that probably had more to do with the fact the German is pushing 35 and going deeper than usual. The first set did not appear to arduous.

rutinos harcos
03-30-2013, 02:14 AM
If we compare it to puppy torturing, then yes, Ferrer playing "tennis" is a walk in the park.

But the gradient here is based on the actual tennis players.

In terms of unwatchability here is my top 3 -

1. Ferrer
2. Raonic
3. Anyone else has smth appealing, ever Troicki, even Isner, even Simon, etc.

So from the active tennis players i rate Ferrer unwatchable. And the weight of the term is just in the eyes of the beholder ;)

Who cares what you think?
Pics,DOOOBAAAR.

ProdigyEng
03-30-2013, 02:20 AM
Who cares what you think?
Pics,DOOOBAAAR.

You're a Pics fan? This really surprises me. Hopefully you can show some love to hooligan one day. You're a caring guy deep down.

jcempire
03-30-2013, 02:21 AM
sad match for Haas

buddyholly
03-30-2013, 03:14 AM
Men who like tennis like Ferrer.
Little fanboys looking for someone to fantasize about will probably pick another player for the poster above their bed.

MIMIC
03-30-2013, 03:28 AM
Great chance for Ferrer to get a Masters title, he certainly deserves one.


He already has one :wavey:

PorkBarrel
03-30-2013, 03:46 AM
Gutted for Haas. Wonderful tourney for him though, he made this masters a lot more interesting.

Are you friends with Tag?
:haha:

http://cdn.imghack.se/images/6ae609f388a9528686e0b1854e118151.jpg

gutted. :sad:
:hug:

Mountaindewslave
03-30-2013, 04:48 AM
sad sad sad
it's a shame Haas beats Djokovic but loses to Ferrer
I love David but it's been a tough day, it would have been one thing for EITHER one of Ferrer or Murray to get to the final and possibly win, but both?
horrible matchup
really hoped this would be a fairytale tournament ugh

NSMv1924
03-30-2013, 04:58 AM
Tennis wins - see ya Haasbeen!

Mr. Oracle
03-30-2013, 05:18 AM
sad sad sad
it's a shame Haas beats Djokovic but loses to Ferrer


My first thought was "shame on him," but I suppose he can't be blamed for not being the player he should have been. There are a million reasons why most players fail to rise to the occasion time and time again despite showing flashes of talent and brilliance. Very sad.

Mr. Oracle
03-30-2013, 05:21 AM
sad match for Haas

Sad for all sports fans who love a Rocky-like narrative. Suddenly feeling nostalgic about Agassi.

Allez
03-30-2013, 05:24 AM
Sad that homogenisation is effectively taking all court players like Haas out of the game. Only grinders will be left standing

retister
03-30-2013, 08:16 AM
Fair play to David, deserved victory. His propensity to remorselessly snuff out any opponent who is on a run or who plays more interesting, albeit less consistent, tennis, while offering the most generic bland of tennis imaginable himself is revolting however. David, you are a huge party pooper. Shame on you.

Dear lord, now even intelligent posters are spewing this mindless nonsense :facepalm: