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Design a player that could regularly compete/beat Nadal on clay

Abel
03-29-2013, 04:50 PM
What aspects of what players would you combine to form a player that could regularly beat Nadal on clay? Or at least be highly competitive over, say, 10 matches on that surface with him.

Let's limit it to players active since Nadal joined the tour.

Mark Lenders
03-29-2013, 04:52 PM
Isner's serve

Del Potro's forehand

Djokovic's backhand

Davydenko's return of serve

Llodra's net play

Federer's footwork/movement


That should do the trick

VamosRafaNadal
03-29-2013, 04:52 PM
It can be a great thread. I would design a copy of Nadal :lol:

Time Violation
03-29-2013, 04:53 PM
It can be a great thread. I would design a copy of Nadal :lol:

+1

Newcomer
03-29-2013, 04:53 PM
djokovic 2011
soderling and del potro at rainy weather.
Peak Ferrero.
Olderer, if Nadal tired and played 4 hour battle before match.

Dark Knight
03-29-2013, 04:53 PM
Peak Soderling. :D

Player need to be strong of both wings with a particularly solid two hander. Also needs to a mentally tough.

Topspindoctor
03-29-2013, 04:54 PM
Beating healthy Nadal is as impossible as dividing by zero


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Topspindoctor
03-29-2013, 04:56 PM
Peak Soderling. :D

Player need to be strong of both wings with a particularly solid two hander. Also needs to a mentally tough.

:lol: peak Soderling vs peak Nadal ended in 6/4 6/2 6/4


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ProdigyEng
03-29-2013, 04:56 PM
Garin...

Pretty obvious Nadal's clan are building this kid up and well set it up so Nadal passes the torch to him at a future Roland Garos.

TBkeeper
03-29-2013, 04:56 PM
1 - Non-choking Federer.
2 - Federer with a flatter backhand.
3 - Federer with a better return.
4 - Non-choking Davydenko.
5 - Primebandian.
You chose all of them would spank Rafa 0 , 0 and 0 even on clay.

MTwEeZi
03-29-2013, 04:56 PM
It depends on the year. 2011 Djokovic beat 2011 Nadal. There are a couple others like Zeballos & Gaudio. But against 2008 Nadal it is hard to say.

Topspindoctor
03-29-2013, 04:56 PM
Isner's serve

Del Potro's forehand

Djokovic's backhand

Davydenko's return of serve

Llodra's net play

Federer's footwork/movement


That should do the trick

Don't forget Almugro's mental strength :superlol:


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03-29-2013, 04:57 PM
Beating healthy Nadal is as impossible as dividing by zero


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Yup Nadal never loses when healthy.

I think the thread title should be changed to " Design a player that could regularly compete/beat an injured Nadal on clay "

Certinfy
03-29-2013, 04:57 PM
Serve: Isner

Rest of game: Nadal

Sorted.

GSMnadal
03-29-2013, 04:58 PM
Isner's serve

Del Potro's forehand

Djokovic's backhand

Davydenko's return of serve

Llodra's net play

Federer's footwork/movement


That should do the trick

Nadal would still beat this player most of the time

ciprianned
03-29-2013, 04:59 PM
This player doesn't exist !

Burrow
03-29-2013, 05:00 PM
Isner's serve

Del Potro's forehand

Djokovic's backhand

Davydenko's return of serve

Llodra's net play

Federer's footwork/movement


That should do the trick

This surely can't be serious.

Topspindoctor
03-29-2013, 05:00 PM
Also :lol: at clowns saying nonsense like 'insner's serve AND federer's movement' :stupid: dont they realise that such thing is impossible


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Dark Knight
03-29-2013, 05:00 PM
:lol: peak Soderling vs peak Nadal ended in 6/4 6/2 6/4


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:D what about 2009?? what % nadal was that??

TBkeeper
03-29-2013, 05:00 PM
Nadal would still beat this player most of the time

Are you high again ? :haha: a player with only half of the six things would still spank PrimeClaygoat on Any clay surface ;)

Topspindoctor
03-29-2013, 05:01 PM
:D what about 2009?? what % nadal was that??

Injured knee so about 45-50%


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Tiebreak100
03-29-2013, 05:02 PM
The 2013 Andy Murray clay edition. End of thread.

Mark Lenders
03-29-2013, 05:02 PM
This surely can't be serious.

You don't think Federer has the best footwork on tour, probably ever (talking about peak Federer here but even today his footwork is sublime).

An hypothetical player who could combine the firepower of Isner's serve and Del Potro's FH with Federer's incredible footwork would surely be too much for even Nadal on clay to handle imo.

Also :lol: at clowns saying nonsense like 'insner's serve AND federer's movement' :stupid: dont they realise that such thing is impossible


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This is an hypothetical thread, everything mentioned is impossible. If a player could combine Isner's serve with Davydenko/Djokovic's return of serve and have the best ground strokes on tour, he'd be on course to a CYGS :lol: This is all hypothetical.

GSMnadal
03-29-2013, 05:03 PM
yes Nadal with a better backhand would do the trick ;)

Djokovic with Federer's forehand and serve would also imo ;)

One feels like putting Del Po and Isner here, but how can such a player have a great fitness, which is surely necessary ?

Nadal's backhand is top 3 on clay. It fits perfectly into his clay game

Are you high again ? :haha: a player with only half of the six things would still spank PrimeClaygoat on Any clay surface ;)

Nadal's movement alone trumps all those 'skills'. That player would be a movement disaster on clay.

Llodra's net play? Irrelevant.
Isner's serve? Okay so we're dealing with a 2.00m+ guy here, excellent.
Del Potro's forehand? Still infinitely worse than Rafa's on clay.
Djokovic backhand? If Nadal gets his forehand deep, he chews that up as well.
Federer's movement, yeah sorry, even if it was possible for this giant, it's still way worse than Rafa's.
Davydenko's return on clay is not something to be scared of.

Topspindoctor
03-29-2013, 05:04 PM
The 2013 Andy Murray clay edition. End of thread.

Mandy couldn't beat Nadal even if the latter was playing right handed using Olderer's racquet and sipping brandy during changeovers


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Mark Lenders
03-29-2013, 05:06 PM
Nadal's movement alone trumps all those 'skills'. That player would be a movement disaster on clay.

Remember I included Federer's footwork/movement, his movement on clay is definitely the best after Nadal in his prime. This player would have Isner's serve, Del Potro's forehand, Djokovic's BH, Davydenko's ROS and move like Federer. Probably too much for even peak Nadal on clay to handle.

Dark Knight
03-29-2013, 05:07 PM
Injured knee so about 45-50%


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Well not sure about that. But neway beating Rafa on clay is a very hard task no doubt about that.

I still think Nole can do it more than anyone else.

janko05
03-29-2013, 05:07 PM
Soderling's forehand
Djokovic's backhand
Zeballos' clutchness

Burrow
03-29-2013, 05:08 PM
You don't think Federer has the best footwork on tour, probably ever (talking about peak Federer here but even today his footwork is sublime).

An hypothetical player who could combine the firepower of Isner's serve and Del Potro's FH with Federer's incredible footwork would surely be too much for even Nadal on clay to handle imo.



This is an hypothetical thread, everything mentioned is impossible. If a player could combine Isner's serve with Davydenko/Djokovic's return of serve and have the best ground strokes on tour, he'd be on course to a CYGS :lol: This is all hypothetical.

No, I don't, the best footwork I've ever seen and actually critically analysed, is Lleyton Hewitt's.

Abel
03-29-2013, 05:09 PM
The 2013 Andy Murray clay edition. End of thread.

:spit:

http://d22zlbw5ff7yk5.cloudfront.net/images/cm-37381-150e6783209ea5.gif

GSMnadal
03-29-2013, 05:11 PM
yes but GSMNadal seems to have been more reasonable and not believed that you could add Fed's footwork to Isner's serve :lol:

Just use Federer's serve instead of Isner's, problem solved.

Still, it all lies in the movement. If you don't have Rafa's movement, you're not going to beat him consistently. The two best other movers on tour are Federer and Djokovic, and they are not even in the same league on clay with footwork/movement.

Mark Lenders
03-29-2013, 05:11 PM
yes but GSMNadal seems to have been more reasonable and not believed that you could add Fed's footwork to Isner's serve :lol:

Well, you can't, but this is an hypothetical thread after all, and you'd probably need an irrealistic player to dominate Nadal on clay on a consistent basis. The biggest serve (Isner) and forehand (Del Potro) on tour combined the slickest footwork (Federer) is exactly that.

No, I don't, the best footwork I've ever seen and actually critically analysed, is Lleyton Hewitt's.

I disagree, but regardless of that you'd agree that Federer is right up there with the best, right? Don't see why you'd consider the inclusion of Federer's footwork/movement in a super player a 'joke'.

janko05
03-29-2013, 05:12 PM
Federer's forehand was clearly better than Söderling's on clay.
Söderling had a better and more powerful backhand against Nadal, but on the forehand side no.

it was damn good that particular day

GSMnadal
03-29-2013, 05:14 PM
The problem with this is Nadal has the best movement, stamina and forehand on clay. Case closed, you're not beating that.

His backhand is fantastic on clay, serve and net play are not a big issue so those don't matter much. And even if they were, Rafa's net play is very good.

Federer-Fan
03-29-2013, 05:14 PM
2011 Djokovic...

Sanya
03-29-2013, 05:15 PM
Federer with Kuerten`s backhand.

Burrow
03-29-2013, 05:15 PM
Well, you can't, but this is an hypothetical thread after all, and you'd probably need an irrealistic player to dominate Nadal on clay on a consistent basis. The biggest serve (Isner) and forehand (Del Potro) on tour combined the slickest footwork (Federer) is exactly that.



I disagree, but regardless of that you'd agree that Federer is right up there with the best, right? Don't see why you'd consider the inclusion of Federer's footwork/movement in a super player a 'joke'.

You didn't state that we were talking about his movement 7 to 10 years ago. His movement right now is an absolute shadow of its former self, so failing to give a specification when there are certainly others out there who sport superior movement and footwork could obviously lead to confusion.

ProdigyEng
03-29-2013, 05:16 PM
Give em Federer's backhand and that's surely enough...

Dark Knight
03-29-2013, 05:16 PM
Peak Federer with Nole`s backhand.

Fixed

janko05
03-29-2013, 05:19 PM
also a honorable mention to Ferrer/Almagro soap supplier

TBkeeper
03-29-2013, 05:20 PM
Federer with Davydenko`s backhand.

fixed :)

Dark Knight
03-29-2013, 05:22 PM
Realistically though Nole 2.0 can do it i.m.o.

Sanya
03-29-2013, 05:27 PM
Fixed

I can`t imagine Roger playing two-handed backhand sincerely, even theoretically.

janko05
03-29-2013, 05:28 PM
Realistically though Nole 2.0 can do it i.m.o.

where can we find one nowadays?

Dark Knight
03-29-2013, 05:32 PM
where can we find one nowadays?

Hey dude let the clay season begin...be optimistic :)

Dark Knight
03-29-2013, 05:33 PM
I can`t imagine Roger playing two-handed backhand sincerely, even theoretically.
Its all hypothetical dude..can you imagine Nadal playing a one hander??

Dark Knight
03-29-2013, 05:34 PM
don't be pessimistic, the people who don't like Djokovic like to underrate him comparing to Nadal on clay, but a Djokofan shouldn't do that imo.

Last year Djokovic put too much pressure on himself imo during clay season. If he's relaxed, it's a whole different story.

:yeah:

Topspindoctor
03-29-2013, 05:37 PM
Its all hypothetical dude..can you imagine Nadal playing a one hander??

Nadal has a very good one hander, he hits it in practice, so yes.


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janko05
03-29-2013, 05:37 PM
don't be pessimistic, the people who don't like Djokovic like to underrate him comparing to Nadal on clay, but a Djokofan shouldn't do that imo.

Last year Djokovic put too much pressure on himself imo during clay season. If he's relaxed, it's a whole different story.

same story this year plus a DC tie :shrug:

Dark Knight
03-29-2013, 05:38 PM
Nadal has a very good one hander, he hits it in practice, so yes.


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U mean slice??

Topspindoctor
03-29-2013, 05:39 PM
U mean slice??

No, actual topspin 1 hander there are still pictures floating around I am sure


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abraxas21
03-29-2013, 05:41 PM
gustavo kuerten or any other good clay courter of a good era.

no need to "design" anyone really :rolleyes:

Dark Knight
03-29-2013, 05:42 PM
No, actual topspin 1 hander there are still pictures floating around I am sure


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Cant find any. Can u provide a link??

Topspindoctor
03-29-2013, 05:43 PM
gustavo kuerten or any other good clay courter of a good era.

no need to "design" anyone really :rolleyes:

Nadal would annihilate Kuerten on clay stop being such a pathetic hater.


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BauerAlmeida
03-29-2013, 05:43 PM
Kuerten or Borg.

Abel
03-29-2013, 05:44 PM
To flip the question:

Design a player that would get destroyed 6-0, 6-0, 6-0 at the French every time by Nadal. :lol:

We'll start with Almagro's mental strength.

Dark Knight
03-29-2013, 05:46 PM
Dimitrov with his very own choking skills.

abraxas21
03-29-2013, 05:46 PM
Nadal would annihilate Kuerten on clay stop being such a pathetic hater.


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i knew you were going to post something stupid like that.

what's your argument for nadal being the so called "clay GOAT"? Getting past Ferrer in straights? Beating Federer in RG finals? Struggling against Djokovic? :lol:

Get a grip. In the old days there were many players who played against a much stronger clay competition. Even Kuerten, the only player I named, managed to get past Federer in straight sets in RG.

Topspindoctor
03-29-2013, 05:47 PM
Cant find any. Can u provide a link??

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_GWJatwb-WlI/S_b5inSt6II/AAAAAAAALv4/cvEbsvEYTHc/s1600/rafael-nadal-molitor-1.jpg

:lol:


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Abel
03-29-2013, 05:48 PM
I can`t imagine Roger playing two-handed backhand sincerely, even theoretically.

There's a video of him playing with a two-hander on YouTube in practice. It looks pretty weird, alright.

Dark Knight
03-29-2013, 05:48 PM
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_GWJatwb-WlI/S_b5inSt6II/AAAAAAAALv4/cvEbsvEYTHc/s1600/rafael-nadal-molitor-1.jpg

:lol:


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LOL whats dis Doc??? :D

Topspindoctor
03-29-2013, 05:49 PM
i knew you were going to post something stupid like that.

what's your argument for nadal being the so called "clay GOAT"? Getting past Ferrer in straights? Beating Federer in RG finals? Struggling against Djokovic? :lol:

Get a grip. In the old days there were many players who played against a much stronger clay competition. Even Kuerten, the only player I named, managed to get past Federer in straight sets in RG.

No that's just you being a nostalgia tard unable to give credit to Nadal and overhyping competition from supposedly 'strong' era. I said Nadal would annihilate Kuerten. Didn't need to go that far. Federer in 2006 beats all clay courter a of any era except Nadal.


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Dark Knight
03-29-2013, 05:49 PM
There's a video of him playing with a two-hander on YouTube in practice. It looks pretty weird, alright.

Agreed looks pretty weird. :D

emotion
03-29-2013, 05:51 PM
Almagro with mental toughness
Done.

He ALWAYS has many many chances to win, never does

abraxas21
03-29-2013, 05:51 PM
No that's just you being a nostalgia tard unable to give credit to Nadal and pleats overhyping competition from supposedly 'strong' era. I said Nadal would annihilate Kuerten. Didn't need to go that far. Federer in 2006 beats all clay courter a of any era except Nadal.


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so your argument that this isn't a weak clay era is the second best clay courter of this era managed to lose consistently to the best clay courter of this era? gotcha :yeah:

nole_no1
03-29-2013, 05:52 PM
Djokovic with a better serve

Abel
03-29-2013, 05:53 PM
Djokovic with a better serve
Djokovic + regularly being able to serve 130-135mph at a high percentage would be interesting vs. Nadal

Snowwy
03-29-2013, 05:53 PM
I just find it hard to believe that players like Muster, Kuerten, etc. would be able to get any progress against Nadal. Players like that don't bother name. It's players like Soderling, Federer, who obviously can get progress against Nadal that are a bit tougher.

Topspindoctor
03-29-2013, 05:54 PM
so your argument that this isn't a weak clay era is the second best clay courter of this era managed to lose consistently to the best clay courter of this era? gotcha :yeah:

Yes because Nadal was mentally stronger/had more suitable clay game.... 2006 federer had MPs in Rome and win first set of RG final 6/1


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abraxas21
03-29-2013, 05:55 PM
Nadal has a very good one hander, he hits it in practice, so yes.


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has such a goond one hander that he's never played a pro match with it :lol:

i might as well say i have a good volley and post a picture of me doing it

abraxas21
03-29-2013, 06:00 PM
Yes because Nadal was mentally stronger/had more suitable clay game.... 2006 federer had MPs in Rome and win first set of RG final 6/1


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and?

your whole idea of nadal being the clay goat holds little water when you check his competition. thats all

Mental Giant
03-29-2013, 06:09 PM
Nadal can adapt to whoever you create! Nadal wins >>>>

TigerTim
03-29-2013, 06:43 PM
Federer with Kuerten`s backhand.

this is better, and maybe Djokovic's fitness and dexterity, and Borg's mental strength

Whiznot
03-29-2013, 08:35 PM
John McEnroe could come back and whip Nadal on any surface.

The Prince
03-29-2013, 08:39 PM
Davydenko being four inches taller, and with a bigger serve.

sexybeast
03-29-2013, 08:42 PM
Serve Isner
Height+forehand Del Potro
Rest of game Djokovic

That is enought I think.

Johnny Groove
03-29-2013, 09:21 PM
Almagro with a brain.

Lleyton_
03-29-2013, 09:23 PM
Djokovic with a better chemist.

TBkeeper
03-29-2013, 09:28 PM
Davydenko being four inches taller, and with a bigger serve.

no man ... you're very wrong ..... That would be the goat even if he is only 2 inches taller ;)

superslam77
03-29-2013, 09:39 PM
federer with djoker's bh or djoker with federer's fh...
more than enough...

DJ Soup
03-29-2013, 10:01 PM
A good serve

Delpo's forehand

Delpo's mental strength (TRUE GRIT)

Nole's Backhand

Murray's fitness

Federer's movement

Agassi's return of serve


That player would destroy everything in tennis.

BlackSilver
03-29-2013, 10:18 PM
Federer's forehand was clearly better than Söderling's on clay.
Söderling had a better and more powerful backhand against Nadal, but on the forehand side no.

Based on what?

Alex999
03-29-2013, 10:21 PM
combine Nole/Fed, clone them into a one player and it will be done :D

Mr. Oracle
03-30-2013, 06:10 AM
It can be a great thread. I would design a copy of Nadal :lol:

Haha. Just like in Star Trek where Spock meets the evil Spock doppelganger with the gottee. What happens when Nadal must wait before the other Nadal sits down first? :lol: Awkwaaaaaaard.

blackwell
03-30-2013, 06:23 AM
Djokovic with Isner's serve, Federer with Gasquet's backhand

Sri
03-30-2013, 06:34 AM
We don't have to 'imagine' anything.

Tomic will rise. Nadal will fall.

Topspindoctor
03-30-2013, 06:44 AM
We don't have to 'imagine' anything.

Tomic will rise. Nadal will fall.

Nadal will be able to routine Tomug even when he is 30 :wavey:


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feuselino
03-30-2013, 06:57 AM
a left-handed Federer.

Topspindoctor
03-30-2013, 06:57 AM
Perfect formula to best Nadal on clay:

Serve: mark lenders
Forehand: Sapeod
Backhand: Abraxas
Volleys: johnny groove
Fitness: Nole Fan (:hearts:)

Durr as umpire, Corey Feldman as the ball boy. Big John as a cheerleader.


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Sri
03-30-2013, 06:58 AM
Nadal will be able to routine Tomug even when he is 30 :wavey:


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Speculative and hypothetical.

MuzzahLovah
03-30-2013, 08:12 AM
Benoit Paire with half a brain.

born_on_clay
03-30-2013, 08:24 AM
There is no way to create such a player ;)

Naudio Spanlatine
03-30-2013, 08:56 AM
Peak Soderling. :D

Player need to be strong of both wings with a particularly solid two hander. Also needs to a mentally tough.

Why the hell did i knew as soon as i come to this particular thread someone was gonna bring him into the mix. :spit:

Punky
03-30-2013, 09:02 AM
Federer that has nole backhand and believe

Sri
03-30-2013, 09:14 AM
Why the hell did i knew as soon as i come to this particular thread someone was gonna bring him into the mix. :spit:
Because you still haven't gotten over the 2009 loss :p

leng jai
03-30-2013, 09:16 AM
Hass with a double handed forehand.

Topspindoctor
03-30-2013, 09:24 AM
Hass with a double handed forehand.

Haas wouldn't beat Nadal on clay even he had 3 serves, could use doubles alleys and started 30-00 every service game.


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Sophitia36
03-30-2013, 09:27 AM
I wanted to post: "another Nadal" but I can see the joke must have been made quite a number of times already :lol:

Chris Kuerten
03-30-2013, 12:20 PM
Ferrer + 10 cm

Sri
03-30-2013, 02:24 PM
Ferrer + 10 cm
This. :lol:

And Tomic of course! ;)

green25814
03-30-2013, 02:47 PM
Borg with modern strings.

samo7266
03-30-2013, 02:48 PM
Serve: 2011 Isner
Forehand: 2006 Federer
Backhand: 2011 Djokovic
Slice/Touch: 2006 Federer
Movement: 2006 Federer
Net: 2006 Federer
ROS: 2011 Djokovic
Mentality: 2011 Djokovic
Cojones: 2009 Soderling

Sri
03-30-2013, 03:03 PM
This guy holding the umbrella is the one to watch out for:

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m121/Blaze-2004/Generation.jpg

Dark Knight
03-30-2013, 04:25 PM
Why the hell did i knew as soon as i come to this particular thread someone was gonna bring him into the mix. :spit:

Well he was the only one to beat him at RG rite so its quite obvious . :)

Topspindoctor
03-30-2013, 04:26 PM
Well he was the only one to beat him at RG rite so its quite obvious . :)

Nadal was injured in that match.


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Dark Knight
03-30-2013, 04:28 PM
a left-handed Federer.

Well considering Rafa's best shot against Fed is the CC forehand to his backhand.

Left Handed peak Fed is a good option. :)

Dark Knight
03-30-2013, 04:29 PM
Nadal was injured in that match.


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So could any other player beat him on that day according to you??

Ben D.
03-30-2013, 04:33 PM
Nadal was injured in that match.


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Nadal is "injured" every times he loses a match. It's a known fact.

Dark Knight
03-30-2013, 04:34 PM
Nadal is "injured" every times he loses a match. It's a known fact.

Coudn't agree more.

Topspindoctor
03-30-2013, 04:37 PM
So could any other player beat him on that day according to you??

No, even injured Nadal is too good on clay. It took Soderling 4 hours if flawless ballbashing to win. We all know what happened a year later. Healthy/confident Nadal = win RG no sets lost simple as that :wavey:


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Dark Knight
03-30-2013, 04:41 PM
No, even injured Nadal is too good on clay. It took Soderling 4 hours if flawless ballbashing to win. We all know what happened a year later. Healthy/confident Nadal = win RG no sets lost simple as that :wavey:


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Soderling didn't play his best in the final either dude.

Topspindoctor
03-30-2013, 04:52 PM
Soderling didn't play his best in the final either dude.

He played well. Nadal moved/defended and most importantly served much better (didn't lose serve in the finals). On clay beating Nadal is impossible for ball basher and many commentators and pundits, Navratilova included, called it the biggest upset of open era


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Dark Knight
03-30-2013, 06:11 PM
He played well. Nadal moved/defended and most importantly served much better (didn't lose serve in the finals). On clay beating Nadal is impossible for ball basher and many commentators and pundits, Navratilova included, called it the biggest upset of open era


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Well i think 2009 Soderling would have taken a set. But yeah Rafa would have won the match neway.

BlackSilver
03-31-2013, 02:36 AM
Watch Federer between 2004 and 2006 if you want to compare his forehand with Söderling's.

Federer is for sure overrated by many people but to think that Söderling had a better forehand than him :crazy:

Including you. Never said Federer forehand is inferior, I questioned your remark about it being better on clay, not better overall.

You gave me an empty answer telling me to watch his matches.

With is worth nothing, since I already watched them, possibly more than you did

Anyway I've observed that for many ballbashers, their forehand is oiverrated and their backhand underrated : both Berdych and Söderling have a better backhand than their forehand, and Del Po's backhand is also underrated whereas his forehand is overrated.

No, they aren't.

se7en
03-31-2013, 10:20 AM
Any decent player who is left-handed. You know what happened when he faced one in a clay final. :lol:

The thing that I'm amazed about Dull, is that it isn't enough for him being a lefty as a huge advantage against majority of the tour. Being a pig that he is, he has to constantly break the rules, use gamesmanship, be coached illegally just to make sure he wins. He doesn't care about his reputation whatsoever or how he represents the game. Winning at all cost. That's his personal motto.

Haelfix
03-31-2013, 11:06 AM
Karlovics first serve
Isners second
Nalbandians Backhand
Federer's forehand
Borgs movement
McEnroe's volleys
Novak Djokovics return of serve

Throw in some of David Ferrer/Lleyton Hewitt tenacity for good measure.

Tag
03-31-2013, 02:18 PM
certainly not swiss criers, that's for sure :devil:

or clay skipping, bald, fat all serve players :devil: :devil:

at least brave djokovic tried his best before wilting in the heat

don't worry though

the tradesman will dismantle all this clay season

he faces lendl's 9 iron if he doesn't