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Is Miami starting to feel like a joke event?

Topspindoctor
03-27-2013, 06:06 AM
I mean you have two huge superstars of tennis not even bothering to show up. Nole tanking today. Players withdrawing left and right. Plus with clay season coming it feels like generally players don't give a crap. It is a very disappointing tournament from fan's point of view. In IW we had Delpo's dramatic run, Nadal's epic comeback, another Fedal match and lots of decent matches overall. Miami feels very mediocre and lifeless with wind, crappy conditions and general lack of excitement.

Thoughts?


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Jverweij
03-27-2013, 06:08 AM
Best tournament of the year so far

Topspindoctor
03-27-2013, 06:12 AM
Best tournament of the year so far

Look at the players making semis and say that again :rolleyes:


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HKz
03-27-2013, 06:15 AM
Look at the players making semis and say that again :rolleyes:


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Yes a change for once is so bad, forget all those hypocrites that cry about the depth of the field. Tennis is only about the top 4. Heck, starting from 2014, anyone not ranked in the top 4 is banned from ATP events to keep people like Topspindoctor from wetting their pants.

Noleta
03-27-2013, 06:15 AM
You and the sponsors might feel that way,but pretty sure the neutral will be happy the way this tournament is shaping up,not the usual suspects deep into the tournament:shrug:


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hipolymer
03-27-2013, 06:21 AM
Only if Mugray wins this tournament.

Honestly
03-27-2013, 06:24 AM
Do you ever stop whining Troll?

guga2120
03-27-2013, 06:26 AM
No, it's never as good as Indian Wells but it still could be decent. A Murray/Berdych match would be good.

Madrid, last year is what a joke tournament is, not this.

Jverweij
03-27-2013, 06:26 AM
Look at the players making semis and say that again :rolleyes:


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HKz answered this for you. I'm done with the top 4, they bore me. So it will be even better when Murray's out

pierricbross
03-27-2013, 06:38 AM
Everyone except Melzer is in the top 20. Every quarter-finalist has been a top10 player and only Gilles Simon hasn't been to a grand slam semi-final; they have all done well at masters tournaments before this one.

Topspindoctor
03-27-2013, 06:39 AM
Do you ever stop whining Troll?

Not whining it's a legit observation. Miami is looking pretty crappy right now :shrug:


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Chris Kuerten
03-27-2013, 06:42 AM
Everyone except Melzer is in the top 20. Every quarter-finalist has been a top10 player and only Gilles Simon hasn't been to a grand slam semi-final; they have all done well at masters tournaments before this one.:yeah:

I'm afraid the thread starter is the joke here :sad:

Honestly
03-27-2013, 06:47 AM
Not whining it's a legit observation. Miami is looking pretty crappy right now :shrug:


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Well the withdrawal of Fedal didn't help the event. But like some others have stated it's a change up from just about every event these days where the top 4 dominates. I find Haas' win refreshing and it doesn't exactly make your sig look good.

Topspindoctor
03-27-2013, 07:05 AM
Well the withdrawal of Fedal didn't help the event. But like some others have stated it's a change up from just about every event these days where the top 4 dominates. I find Haas' win refreshing and it doesn't exactly make your sig look good.

It's a change but not for the better. I mean you could say the Federer vs Nadal match in IW was disappointing, but it was still more exciting than seeing Mandy Simug and Melzer in closing stages of masters event :shrug:


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Chirag
03-27-2013, 07:07 AM
it and IW were always joke events to me :zzz: Dont waste too much sleep for these events

Bring on the clay season already . That is where the fun lies

Puschkin
03-27-2013, 07:25 AM
If you care more about the game than about the Top guys, Miami is in fact very interesting.

leng jai
03-27-2013, 07:32 AM
It gets worse every round Hass wins.

Dead Net Cord
03-27-2013, 07:32 AM
No, but some MTFers are starting to be joke posters :boxing:

Topspindoctor
03-27-2013, 07:37 AM
It gets worse every round Hass wins.

I don't blame you for being excited, but I think most top players are mainly focusing on clay masters and Paris. Miami is a bad joke this year :shrug: I think most fans are anticipating the upcoming Djoker vs Nadal clashes in MC and Rome not Muggy Haas vs Simug, Ferrer vs Melzer and Cilic vs Mandy :shrug:


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Newcomer
03-27-2013, 07:38 AM
i like Djokovic, but for me it's the best tournament of the year by far.
Many dramatic and comic matches, some quality tennis, epic comebacks...Full package of emotions. I like it. Tennis is not only TOP-4.

GSMnadal
03-27-2013, 07:40 AM
Starting? It was a joke event the minute Fedal said they wouldn't bother.

Vulture winning it would be too fitting

Topspindoctor
03-27-2013, 07:44 AM
Starting? It was a joke event the minute Fedal said they wouldn't bother.

Vulture winning it would be too fitting

Olderer had good chance to go deep and Nadal is in good form right now. With both of them resting for clay season and Djoker following their wake, there is no good reason to watch this event anymore :shrug: I am not wasting my time with Melzer vs Ferrer and Mugrin vs Mandy :zzz:


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MuzzahLovah
03-27-2013, 07:52 AM
Djoke events
:lol:

born_on_clay
03-27-2013, 08:04 AM
It was always a joke event. Players already are praying for death (on clay of course ;) )

acionescu
03-27-2013, 08:07 AM
Pretty much, yes :lol:

If even Nole loses, you know something is not right....

Now watch Pics win it all and Lenders going balistic :hug:

ProdigyEng
03-27-2013, 08:09 AM
Lol what a fail thread from the biggest fail of a poster on the forum.

What the hell is wrong with a tournament that throws up surprises?

henke007
03-27-2013, 08:18 AM
A close 2nd to Mickey Carlo after this..

Gris
03-27-2013, 08:20 AM
Topspindoctor has already been a joke poster.

lol


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Allez
03-27-2013, 08:21 AM
Not really. Murray is still there, towering over everybody. A sight for sore eyes indeed.

Topspindoctor
03-27-2013, 08:24 AM
Topspindoctor has already been a joke poster.

lol


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Nice. Throwing insults without any real argument :yeah: the fact remains: Ferrer vs Melzer Cilic vs Mugray Simug vs Haas no exciting matches just a bunch of mugs, pushers and journeymen contesting worst tourney of the year. Hope organisers enjoy empty stands :lol:


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Litotes
03-27-2013, 08:27 AM
Lol what a fail thread from the biggest fail of a poster on the forum.

What the hell is wrong with a tournament that throws up surprises?

There's no pleasing everyone. If we had a Djokovic - Murray final it would be "Oh, everything is so predictable it's boring". Now with Djokovic out it's a joke event instead.

I find it refreshing to see some unexpected results. I just wish I could have predicted at least one of them, all of my games this weeks are ruined :lol:

ProdigyEng
03-27-2013, 08:38 AM
There's no pleasing everyone. If we had a Djokovic - Murray final it would be "Oh, everything is so predictable it's boring". Now with Djokovic out it's a joke event instead.

I find it refreshing to see some unexpected results. I just wish I could have predicted at least one of them, all of my games this weeks are ruined :lol:
Indeed, I don't see what's wrong with other players winning events for once.

If Nadal was in this tournament FailSpinDoctor would declare it the best event ever.

Litotes
03-27-2013, 08:49 AM
Indeed, I don't see what's wrong with other players winning events for once.

If Nadal was in this tournament FailSpinDoctor would declare it the best event ever.

It's natural a poster with one favourite only will feel less excited about a tournament his favourite is missing out on. I feel sad for TSD, actually. He looks unlikely to enjoy a win by anyone not named Nadal, leaving him with little interest whenever Nadal is not playing or already eliminated.

Brit Tennis Fan
03-27-2013, 08:52 AM
It is only a joke event for the fan boys who are only interested in following the top players / their favourite players. For tennis fans it has been an interesting event with some great matches.

Crazy Girl
03-27-2013, 09:29 AM
Best tournament of the year so far

also for me :worship::worship:

Pratik
03-27-2013, 09:40 AM
Look at the players making semis and say that again :rolleyes:


Top four make semis: Boring, Predictable, No depth in the field, Weak Era.
Top four don't make semis: Boring, Joke tournament, top 4 tanking, others vulturing. Weak Era.

Sums up MTF pretty well.

Topspindoctor
03-27-2013, 09:44 AM
It's natural a poster with one favourite only will feel less excited about a tournament his favourite is missing out on. I feel sad for TSD, actually. He looks unlikely to enjoy a win by anyone not named Nadal, leaving him with little interest whenever Nadal is not playing or already eliminated.

I like some other players and don't particularly hate anyone. If you read these forums for a length of time you will find out I am actually not biased and balanced in my opinions. I am merely pointing out that this tournament is quickly turning into an epic failure with all the upsets withdrawals and tanking :shrug:


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se7en
03-27-2013, 09:53 AM
Best tournamentof the year so far! :yeah:

decrepitude
03-27-2013, 09:54 AM
I like some other players and don't particularly hate anyone. If you read these forums for a length of time you will find out I am actually not balanced in my opinions. I am merely pointing out that this tournament is quickly turning into an epic failure with all the upsets withdrawals and tanking :shrug:


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Fixed that for ya!

Litotes
03-27-2013, 10:18 AM
I like some other players and don't particularly hate anyone. If you read these forums for a length of time you will find out I am actually not biased and balanced in my opinions. I am merely pointing out that this tournament is quickly turning into an epic failure with all the upsets withdrawals and tanking :shrug:



And I am merely pointing out that anyone regarding a tournament as an "epic failure" just because the three most accomplished active players are missing/eliminated looks sorely in need of more favourites. If you can find nothing to enjoy among the names Haas, Simon, Ferrer, Melzer, Berdych, Gasquet, Murray and Cilic, then you have significantly less to interest you than most others in here.

What would your ideal QFs be? You name the tournament, you set up the QFs, never mind if current seeding makes them impossible. Choose the eight active players that would make the remainder most fun for you. Would be interesting to see.

GSMnadal
03-27-2013, 10:34 AM
Djokovic-Tsonga
Murray-Del Potro
Berdych-Gulbis
Nadal-Federer

Now that's a line up

se7en
03-27-2013, 10:35 AM
Indeed, I don't see what's wrong with other players winning events for once.

If Nadal was in this tournament FailSpinDoctor would declare it the best event ever.

I remember we joined here at almost the same time. Surprised you have that many posts already. :eek:

ProdigyEng
03-27-2013, 10:36 AM
I remember we joined here at almost the same time. Surprised you have that many posts already. :eek:

I have too much free time on my hands :facepalm:

Topspindoctor
03-27-2013, 10:41 AM
I have too much free time on my hands :facepalm:

Well you could stop worshipping Mugray and go out and make some friends :shrug:


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Mansave_75
03-27-2013, 10:49 AM
Biggest joke tournament of the year so far indeed! :S

sammy01
03-27-2013, 10:51 AM
If Simon wins it it'll be the best tournament ever <3

leng jai
03-27-2013, 10:52 AM
If Simon wins it it'll be the best tournament ever <3

The only outcome that can save this nonsense tournament.

Roy Emerson
03-27-2013, 10:55 AM
If vulture wins it, yep.

jcempire
03-27-2013, 11:10 AM
Is Miami starting to feel like a joke event?

Or

Is Djoker starting to feel like a XXX ?

emotion
03-27-2013, 11:11 AM
A lot of top players have bombed out, but quality wise I think it's better than IW

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SheepleBuster
03-27-2013, 11:15 AM
Nole did not tank. He got his ass beat

Pirata.
03-27-2013, 11:29 AM
Curious that most of the posters calling it a joke tournament are Nadaltards.

Sebes
03-27-2013, 11:31 AM
It would have been a joke had Djokovic cruised to the title,while not being bothered by his main rivals.
Lack of excitement and uncertainty is what should be considered a joke in competitive activities such as sports.
After Roger's and Rafa's withdrawal, its value was certainly diminished somewhat ,but Nole's loss actually made it less predictable,which in my eyes is an advantage.
Last Fedal match is the perfect example of how names and ranking do not make entertainment and quality.

ProdigyEng
03-27-2013, 11:35 AM
Well you could stop worshipping Mugray and go out and make some friends :shrug:


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I have plenty of friends thank you very much... next.

mike s.
03-27-2013, 12:00 PM
I think the tennis has been pretty good quality wise. Haas-Djokovic, Almagro-Gasquet, Simon-Tipsarevic were all fun yesterday. At IW Fed Nadal was a dud and none of the other top four played each other so it's really no different. Obviously it depends though on how the qf, sf, and finals are.

Corey Feldman
03-27-2013, 12:04 PM
throwing a tantrum coz King Muzza has this title in the bag :sport:

soon to be US Open, Olympics and Miami Masters Champion :wavey:

Blue Heart24
03-27-2013, 12:09 PM
OP is a mug who thinks tennis doesnt exist outside of top 4.And he's not the only one.Miami is a joke event,but not because of who made it this far,it's because of the disgraceful slow ass surface.
Enough said.Close the thread.

Corey Feldman
03-27-2013, 12:15 PM
in the 90's this event was known as the 5th slam

but to me thats the Masters Cup


Nadal career titles at both events = ZERO, btw

http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/userpics/12109/thumb_smileyvault-cute-big-smiley-animated-059.gif

rubbERR
03-27-2013, 12:17 PM
Ferru to win another MS against average players, vulturing at its best. :lol:

TigerTim
03-27-2013, 12:17 PM
The only issue will be if Ferrer grinds his way to victory, even then it would be better than a top 4 borefest final. Haas has done great, Murray v Berdych could be Intresting if it happens etc etc

Moozza
03-27-2013, 12:19 PM
Slamray will clean up from here.

BroTree123
03-27-2013, 12:21 PM
Only Haas can redeem the joke.

Offland
03-27-2013, 12:31 PM
I like some other players and don't particularly hate anyone. If you read these forums for a length of time you will find out I am actually not biased and balanced in my opinions. I am merely pointing out that this tournament is quickly turning into an epic failure with all the upsets withdrawals and tanking :shrug:


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You are joking, right...:confused:You are one of the most abusive posters on this forum.Doing almost nothing over than repeatedly insulting players you dislike or offending other members.I really wonder why you're not permanently removed .I'd have nothing against If you were more rational , but you're often just spouting hateful nonsense:sad:

rocketassist
03-27-2013, 12:40 PM
Doc whining because Murray is the best player left in the draw. Simple as that.

abraxas21
03-27-2013, 12:54 PM
why is this lame troll attempt of a thread still open?

suggestions:

1- delete thread
2- ban OP

paseo
03-27-2013, 12:57 PM
I like some other players and don't particularly hate anyone. If you read these forums for a length of time you will find out I am actually not biased and balanced in my opinions. I am merely pointing out that this tournament is quickly turning into an epic failure with all the upsets withdrawals and tanking :shrug:


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Kept a straight face until this. Too much. Can't hold it together :lol:

TBkeeper
03-27-2013, 01:11 PM
Kept a straight face until this. Too much. Can't hold it together :lol:

hahaha the same here :haha: i felt in retarded laughter the moment i began to read that line :spit:

Moozza
03-27-2013, 01:25 PM
Kept a straight face until this. Too much. Can't hold it together :lol:

All love this Trollspindoctor. :lol:

SVK
03-27-2013, 01:34 PM
Wasn´t this supposed to be the real 5th slam for Djokovic´s fans just few days ago?

End da Game
03-27-2013, 01:50 PM
implying mickey mouse 1000's aren't already a joke

face it guys, the slams are all that matters, its no wonder that GOATro hasn't even bothered to win one of these masters

Sham Kay
03-27-2013, 01:55 PM
If you care more about the game than about the Top guys, Miami is in fact very interesting.

This is pretty much how it is. Personally speaking, even if Andy lost next round I'd find this a great tournament to watch. Always great to see other players fighting their way through a draw to the title, and not the usual suspects.

The top 4 can do without another Masters title added to their CV just to please their insane fans.

Zelyony
03-27-2013, 02:09 PM
Hard to tell, but I think Simon is going to win the title.

Jverweij
03-27-2013, 02:18 PM
I'm happy as long as Murray doesn't win it. Top four top schmour

daddy
03-27-2013, 02:55 PM
:clap2::bigclap:

You are joking, right...:confused:You are one of the most abusive posters on this forum.Doing almost nothing over than repeatedly insulting players you dislike or offending other members.I really wonder why you're not permanently removed .I'd have nothing against If you were more rational , but you're often just spouting hateful nonsense:sad:

Tiebreak100
03-27-2013, 03:02 PM
Ridiculous thread. If you want to see a joke event have a swatch at Toronto or Paris Bercy last year. This is a stellar cast in comparison.

Love the hurt from Nadal and gymnast fans, there mutual love for one another added to their fear of the future number #1 makes for sad reading.

nevenez
03-27-2013, 03:14 PM
Now Murray out too and Miami will be the best tournament in a while.
TOP 4 SUCK!

Lugburz
03-27-2013, 03:21 PM
the minute I realized who created this thread.... Ahh nvm..

Dark Knight
03-27-2013, 03:39 PM
No but this is certainly a joke thread. :facepalm:

emotion
03-27-2013, 03:58 PM
Miami>>>Indian wells in terms of quality

GSMnadal
03-27-2013, 03:59 PM
Miami>>>Indian wells in terms of quality

Sure :lol:

Corey Feldman
03-27-2013, 04:02 PM
least Fed got his 2 titles here unlike some who never won the event

just need Serena to wax Sharapova in womens final too and keep her at 5 defeats in the Miami final with zero titles

Orka_n
03-27-2013, 04:03 PM
Djokovic losing actually made this tournament a little interesting. There are far too few upsets to spice things up in this shit era. Takes a 35 year old to finally pull it off.

nastoff
03-27-2013, 04:08 PM
Natural backlash, the scheduling is atrocious and the top players are not superhuman. People have to get friendly with the fact that they're gonna skip/tank some tournaments every now and then.
Miami just happens to be at a very awkward stage of the season, so it gets the worst of that backlash.

Mark Lenders
03-27-2013, 04:09 PM
When were Miami and Indian Wells ever anything other than joke events? That said, the unpredictability makes it a bit more interesting that it would be otherwise.

rocketassist
03-27-2013, 04:16 PM
Sure :lol:

Not been a lot of difference really, aside from parts of Murray-Delpo, Delpo's play overall and GOATbis-Nadal IW sucked balls.

Miami hasn't shown anything special either although Tommy's variety last night was superb.

The Prince
03-27-2013, 04:18 PM
Simon will make sure this is the most memorable edition of Miami, for me personally. :yeah:

Corey Feldman
03-27-2013, 04:18 PM
just because Nadal's pimp Elison pumped alot of cash into Indian Wells, doesnt make it the bigger event than Miami

they are just the same

Chair Umpire
03-27-2013, 04:24 PM
Miami>>>Indian wells in terms of quality

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs3/1128486_o.gif

GSMnadal
03-27-2013, 04:28 PM
IW had the strongest QF line up in years. Miami has Melzer, Ferrer, Haas, Cilic, Simon, Gasquet and Murray as the highest seed :lol:

There's nothing to discuss

Corey Feldman
03-27-2013, 04:29 PM
wait for how bad Monte Carlo will look, Nadal and 7 other weak clay era gimps he'll double bagel

now there is a totally pointless tournament.

GSMnadal
03-27-2013, 04:32 PM
Roger skipping it out of fear of getting his ass handed to him didn't help, no.

Last year MC had Djokovic, Murray, Berdych, Tsonga. I know these might look like gimps when Rafa owns them, but they don't look too shabby when they play the old geezer

Corey Feldman
03-27-2013, 04:35 PM
past him prime beef Fed still owns 3 of those 4 and is 3-0 v Murray in slam finals - so kinda really owns him too

GSMnadal
03-27-2013, 04:39 PM
I thought you considered Haas still in his prime when he was Roger's age? Why is Fed past his prime?

Johnny Groove
03-27-2013, 04:44 PM
Move them before the AO or turn them to clay.

Corey Feldman
03-27-2013, 04:49 PM
I thought you considered Haas still in his prime when he was Roger's age? Why is Fed past his prime?past 30 - past prime tennis age

Fed's so called weak era 2004-2007 according to the simpletons

Fed had to deal with Haas at least twice in that time (2006 AO epic and 2007 Wimbledon W/O)

think of this for Fed's 2007 Wimbledon draw - Del Potro, Safin, Haas, Ferrero and Nadal in the final

his other 2 opponents were Gabashvili in 1st round and Gasquet in SF

2006 Wimbledon Fed had to beat Gasquet, Henman, Mahut in opening 3 rounds then Berdych, Ancic, Nadal later rounds (3 players who have all, before or after, beaten Fed at Wimb - as 2nd round opponent Henman did as well of course)


show me any NoleDal slam draw that has looked like that in the last few years.

Corey Feldman
03-27-2013, 04:50 PM
you could say Nadal's 2007 French Open title is his best ever as he beat 5 past or future GS champions... which i dont know if has ever been done before.

rocketassist
03-27-2013, 04:53 PM
Nadal's 2005 RG was his most impressive, thought his opponents in particular Grosjean and Puerta were superb, and yet the young kid was a titan in all facets. Gave Ferrer a beatdown and then exposed Federer like he always has since.

Johnny Groove
03-27-2013, 04:56 PM
Djoker beating Fed and Nadal back to back at USO 2011 was pretty impressive too.

Corey Feldman
03-27-2013, 04:57 PM
Djoker beating Fed and Nadal back to back at USO 2011 was pretty impressive too.Del Potro did it before him

but Fed really threw both the matches away, Nadal of course was slapped both times

Mateya
03-27-2013, 04:58 PM
Not yet...

If we had Nole-Muzza final it would be boring people say. Now we have some upsets (Haas, Melzer) and people are still not happy :superlol:

You could call this a joke event if we had a Nishikori-Querrey final or something like that. But with seeds no.2,8,9,11,15 still in the draw, this is still a great event.
Yes, it's a bit early for no.1 Djokovic to lose but it's not a disaster.
:wavey:

GSMnadal
03-27-2013, 04:59 PM
past 30 - past prime tennis age

Fed's so called weak era 2004-2007 according to the simpletons

Fed had to deal with Haas at least twice in that time (2006 AO epic and 2007 Wimbledon W/O)

think of this for Fed's 2007 Wimbledon draw - Del Potro, Safin, Haas, Ferrero and Nadal in the final

his other 2 opponents were Gabashvili in 1st round and Gasquet in SF

2006 Wimbledon Fed had to beat Gasquet, Henman, Mahut in opening 3 rounds then Berdych, Ancic, Nadal later rounds (3 players who have all, before or after, beaten Fed at Wimb - as 2nd round opponent Henman did as well of course)


show me any NoleDal slam draw that has looked like that in the last few years.

Yeah, I have huge respect for how Federer dealt with Haas at Wimbledon 2007. Don't get me wrong, impressive as it was, Del Potro on grass, in 2007? Clay specialist Ferrero?

Prime Henners would've slaughtered Federer like he used to do on a regular basis. Remember when he beat him down in Basel? Ouch. Luckily the grass was slowed down

Corey Feldman
03-27-2013, 05:02 PM
2001 Fed was non prime pre cooked beef Fed

3 years before the weak era kicked in

and fed almost won that match.

arm
03-27-2013, 05:03 PM
why? Miami is a pretty awesome tournament! One of the best MS :confused:

Nathaliia
03-27-2013, 05:03 PM
If you care more about the game than about the Top guys, Miami is in fact very interesting.
i think it's like with people creaming themselves over designers' clothes

tbh, i went check out jimmy choo shoes that were delivered to my city last week... not only fugly, but not even that comfortable. i wouldn't pay $10 for them, since i can have top quality shoes from less known designer... much cheaper ofc, but at least pretty and good to walk in

imo people should take these top 4 glasses off, stfu and just watch the good tennis

Litotes
03-27-2013, 05:23 PM
why? Miami is a pretty awesome tournament! One of the best MS :confused:

Well, for some the tournament itself is not good if your favourite is not playing. Or, potentially, if he plays and loses early.

I have always recognized Miami as one of the biggest tournaments myself, despite few of my favourites doing well there. Becker never did anything here. Safin only reached a QF once. Kafelnikov never reached the QF. Kuerten at least reached the final once, losing in 2000, but did little apart from that. Berasategui never even reached R16. And Federer only won twice, below average for him. Still, I don't blame the tournament just because my favs tend to underperform here.

The Fearhand
03-27-2013, 05:27 PM
IW and now Miami. Seeing different names at the top is fun. It's boring when it's always the same players.

Johnny Groove
03-27-2013, 05:32 PM
Del Potro did it before him

but Fed really threw both the matches away, Nadal of course was slapped both times

Hardly.

Del Potro was too good for "I talk when I want to talk"erer, and of course Nadal was serving with the abdominal in 2009, it was sparring practice basically, even the worst hater could tell Nadal wasn't winning that one. At least he still gave him a fight, even though it was 2,2,2, Nadal still won 42% of the points, 2 hours and 20 minutes match.

In 2011, Fed was the one that got slapped in that 5th set, that winner CC on the line MP down. Nadal had a real war in the final in 2011, I've even seen Fedtards on here acknowledge that one.

Young 8
03-27-2013, 05:37 PM
So, let's get this straight


Big 4 in the semifinals: "oh, this era is so boring"

Big 4 not in the semifinals: "tournament is a joke"


Uhm, okay.

Raiden
03-27-2013, 05:48 PM
Tournament is lame and boring because it is hostile for both classical offensive tennis AND a natural surface optimized game.

In other words neither good for Fed nor for Nadal - ergo: rubbish.

redshift36188
03-27-2013, 06:15 PM
As long as Ferrer doesn't get to the final this will be a great tournament this year.

Kyle_Johansen
03-27-2013, 06:20 PM
Miami is the biggest event on Tour with IW after the Slams and the WTF.

It's still a mega event, and it's a good thing when lower ranked players can come through and go deep.

GSMnadal
03-27-2013, 06:32 PM
Well, for some the tournament itself is not good if your favourite is not playing. Or, potentially, if he plays and loses early.

I have always recognized Miami as one of the biggest tournaments myself, despite few of my favourites doing well there. Becker never did anything here. Safin only reached a QF once. Kafelnikov never reached the QF. Kuerten at least reached the final once, losing in 2000, but did little apart from that. Berasategui never even reached R16. And Federer only won twice, below average for him. Still, I don't blame the tournament just because my favs tend to underperform here.

Not just 'their' favourite player.

Federer and Nadal are more than favourites. They're two of the best players in the world, without them, the quality of tennis drastically drops. That's why it's being labelled as a poor event.

'Interesting' as upsets may be, a QF line up Melzer-Ferrer. They are not capable of producing the level of tennis that the big guns can.

MrPlateperson
03-27-2013, 06:46 PM
Can't wait for that Murray-Simon blockbuster semifinal...these are the matchups we get with the "unpredictability" so many people love.

*M*
03-27-2013, 07:01 PM
Can't wait for that Murray-Simon blockbuster semifinal...these are the matchups we get with the "unpredictability" so many people love.
Lol, Battle of the Bulges. Might make for some interesting pics at least . . .

I was at their match last year. Thought I'd stay for the first few games, but had to leave after only the first one because it was so boring. The final was boring too so I'm kind of glad Novak is out. Rooting for Pics, Richie, Marin, or Tommy at this point. Any one of them winning is bound to piss somebody off :haha:

And Topspindoctor, no, it's not a joke event just because Rafa's not playing . . .

Kyle_Johansen
03-27-2013, 07:02 PM
Matches between lower-ranked players can be just as good as matches between the top guys. Melzer-Ferrer doesn't sound great on paper but if they go to a 3rd set TB, there's drama and intensity and it's fun to watch. I remember Haas/Dolgopolov from last year at Washington and that was a very quality match.

GSMnadal
03-27-2013, 07:05 PM
Matches between lower-ranked players can be just as good as matches between the top guys. Melzer-Ferrer doesn't sound great on paper but if they go to a 3rd set TB, there's drama and intensity and it's fun to watch. I remember Haas/Dolgopolov from last year at Washington and that was a very quality match.

They can produce a close match, sure. It can even be a high level. Just as good? No no, they're just not capable of hitting the same shots as the top guys can. They don't have that star quality.

And the odds of it turning into a terrible shitfest are super high.

Kyle_Johansen
03-27-2013, 07:09 PM
They can produce a close match, sure. It can even be a high level. Just as good? No no, they're just not capable of hitting the same shots as the top guys can. They don't have that star quality.

And the odds of it turning into a terrible shitfest are super high.

Djokovic/Murray matches can be shitfests, just like Nadal/Murray and Federer/Nadal matches.

Litotes
03-27-2013, 07:17 PM
Not just 'their' favourite player.

Federer and Nadal are more than favourites. They're two of the best players in the world, without them, the quality of tennis drastically drops. That's why it's being labelled as a poor event.

'Interesting' as upsets may be, a QF line up Melzer-Ferrer. They are not capable of producing the level of tennis that the big guns can.

Of course the tournament would have been more interesting with all top names participating, but there's nothing to be done when Fed and Nadal both feel they need a break to rest and recover. It's not like they do this every year because they don't like the tournament. Fed played it 14 years straight, Nadal nine years straight. That doesn't sound like a tournament they give low priority, now does it?

arm
03-27-2013, 07:22 PM
Not just 'their' favourite player.

Federer and Nadal are more than favourites. They're two of the best players in the world, without them, the quality of tennis drastically drops. That's why it's being labelled as a poor event.

'Interesting' as upsets may be, a QF line up Melzer-Ferrer. They are not capable of producing the level of tennis that the big guns can.

There is a very big difference between a tournament being poorer in a certain year or being a "joke event".

The tournaments owners and organizers would have to screw up big time to make Miami a "joke event".

As for the tournament being poorer, that's a matter of opinion. Many would claim that a tournament where the semis are again between the top4 is a rather boring and predictable event. ;)

Mark Lenders
03-27-2013, 07:26 PM
No idea why people keep saying the alternative is having the top 4 contest the semis 'like in every other event'. This hasn't happened since the Australian Open 2012 so it's not that common an occurence (in AO 2012, it was Djokovic vs Murray, Federer vs Nadal).

GSMnadal
03-27-2013, 07:29 PM
Djokovic/Murray matches can be shitfests, just like Nadal/Murray and Federer/Nadal matches.

They can be. The odds are just significantly lower than for Melzer-Ferrer. And even in poor matches, they have those jawdropping moments that you don't get in these matches.

Of course the tournament would have been more interesting with all top names participating, but there's nothing to be done when Fed and Nadal both feel they need a break to rest and recover. It's not like they do this every year because they don't like the tournament. Fed played it 14 years straight, Nadal nine years straight. That doesn't sound like a tournament they give low priority, now does it?

No, but I was just talking about this year's event. And yes, Roger and Rafa have bigger fish to fry. IW/Miami (Shanghai/Paris as well) have the disadvantage of not leading up to a slam, and therefore being taken less seriously by the top guys.

There is a very big difference between a tournament being poorer in a certain year or being a "joke event".

The tournaments owners and organizers would have to screw up big time to make Miami a "joke event".

As for the tournament being poorer, that's a matter of opinion. Many would claim that a tournament where the semis are again between the top4 is a rather boring and predictable event. ;)

I don't think it's a matter of opinion that a tournament is poorer when you eliminate two of the best 4 players in the world.

Kyle_Johansen
03-27-2013, 07:30 PM
It is nice seeing others outside the top 6-8 go deep in tournaments. The guys who are not expected to be there.

bjurra
03-27-2013, 07:31 PM
There have been worse Masters events. Having said that, this one is pretty boring. Sure it is nice with a bit of change but not if it because the top 10 players are absent or dire. Only Ferrer and Haas have met or exceeded expectations so far.

Mark Lenders
03-27-2013, 07:33 PM
It is nice seeing others outside the top 6-8 go deep in tournaments. The guys who are not expected to be there.

I agree, but it's nice to see it if they overcome the guys who are 'supposed' to be there by beating them like Haas did beating #1 Djokovic. It's not that nice to see guys advance just because the top players aren't there, we can see that in 250/500 events all the time anyway :shrug:

GSMnadal
03-27-2013, 07:33 PM
I agree, but it's nice to see it if they overcome the guys who are 'supposed' to be there by beating them like Haas did beating #1 Djokovic. It's not that nice to see guys advance just because the top players aren't there, we can see that in 250/500 events all the time anyway :shrug:

Exactly.

Corey Feldman
03-27-2013, 09:53 PM
Hardly.

Del Potro was too good for "I talk when I want to talk"erer, and of course Nadal was serving with the abdominal in 2009, it was sparring practice basically, even the worst hater could tell Nadal wasn't winning that one. At least he still gave him a fight, even though it was 2,2,2, Nadal still won 42% of the points, 2 hours and 20 minutes match.

In 2011, Fed was the one that got slapped in that 5th set, that winner CC on the line MP down. Nadal had a real war in the final in 2011, I've even seen Fedtards on here acknowledge that one.lolz

so Fed is 2 sets up, mps up v Nole

but somehow you think Nadal gave him a tougher match in final, losing in 4 sets... 6-2 6-4 6-7 6-1

ok Mr Pancho Gonzalez is GOAT.

Pirata.
03-27-2013, 10:15 PM
wait for how bad Monte Carlo will look, Nadal and 7 other weak clay era gimps he'll double bagel

now there is a totally pointless tournament.

Mikey :hearts:

Laying down the truth in plain sight for the haters :bowdown:

Topspindoctor
03-27-2013, 10:18 PM
Mikey :hearts:

Laying down the truth in plain sight for the haters :bowdown:

What truth? The fact he is a blind hater who secretly knows Nadal is best in history on clay? Hope Mandy is in Nadal's every draw so that he scurries into his hole until hard court season


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nole_no1
03-27-2013, 10:22 PM
Yes a change for once is so bad, forget all those hypocrites that cry about the depth of the field. Tennis is only about the top 4. Heck, starting from 2014, anyone not ranked in the top 4 is banned from ATP events to keep people like Topspindoctor from wetting their pants.

I agree a change is not bad. Not at all. But let's face it when was the last time we saw at least 3 surprising semifinalists when all the guys from the top 4 played in the tournament and all of them really had their had at the sport? I mean they for sure do at the grand slams and in the semis we have only the top 4 there and that says it all

Honestly
03-27-2013, 10:38 PM
Hardly.

Del Potro was too good for "I talk when I want to talk"erer, and of course Nadal was serving with the abdominal in 2009, it was sparring practice basically, even the worst hater could tell Nadal wasn't winning that one. At least he still gave him a fight, even though it was 2,2,2, Nadal still won 42% of the points, 2 hours and 20 minutes match.

In 2011, Fed was the one that got slapped in that 5th set, that winner CC on the line MP down. Nadal had a real war in the final in 2011, I've even seen Fedtards on here acknowledge that one.

Yes not your finest post Johnny Groove. Fed was hardly slapped in that 5th set, being MPS's up and all. Dull on the other hand got slapped in the 4th set.

Honestly
03-27-2013, 10:40 PM
What truth? The fact he is a blind hater who secretly knows Nadal is best in history on clay? Hope Mandy is in Nadal's every draw so that he scurries into his hole until hard court season


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It's true Troll. Mickey Carlo is not worthy of a MS event and everyone knows it. Just a strong clay court player playing against weak clay era mugs. Even this year Miami is still infinitely more exciting.

Topspindoctor
03-27-2013, 10:48 PM
It's true Troll. Mickey Carlo is not worthy of a MS event and everyone knows it. Just a strong clay court player playing against weak clay era mugs. Even this year Miami is still infinitely more exciting.

Nosetard calling Monte Carlo MM :haha: could it be because nose failed to win it several times and is so emotionally scarred that he doesn't even bother showing up?:spit: MC had #1 vs #2 in finals which is infinitely better than Mugiami shitfest


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Mountaindewslave
03-27-2013, 10:52 PM
is topspin a joke poster?....

hmmm.... :confused:

nole_no1
03-27-2013, 10:52 PM
It's true Troll. Mickey Carlo is not worthy of a MS event and everyone knows it. Just a strong clay court player playing against weak clay era mugs. Even this year Miami is still infinitely more exciting.

ok now i'm not a Nadal fan but are you serious? is that an argument? if a player is too good for the rest of the field on a surface automatically is a mug event? :rolleyes: i mean what should Nadal do? retire so you should enjoy the tournament?

Mountaindewslave
03-27-2013, 10:54 PM
Look at the players making semis and say that again :rolleyes:


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you're such a clown, can't appreciate when lower ranked played step up and play well, Haas played way better last night than Nadal ever has against Djokovic yet you're still acting stupid and like this tournament has had no quality :facepalm:

if anything this tournament is a breath of fresh hair, it would a way more interesting tour if lower ranked players more often stepped up like this and would help the era not seem so weak

you are delusional and appear to only know who 4 players out of hundreds and hundreds and therefore disappointing

Honestly
03-27-2013, 10:57 PM
ok now i'm not a Nadal fan but are you serious? is that an argument? if a player is too good for the rest of the field on a surface automatically is a mug event? :rolleyes: i mean what should Nadal do? retire so you should enjoy the tournament?

That would be a great start.

Mountaindewslave
03-27-2013, 10:57 PM
Starting? It was a joke event the minute Fedal said they wouldn't bother.

Vulture winning it would be too fitting

you and topspin are such one dimensional clowns. to think I once thought of you two as good posters :facepalm:

I love Nadal as much as anyone but you two are not tennis fans, you are Nadal fans. embarrassing

janko05
03-27-2013, 11:04 PM
you and topspin are such one dimensional clowns. to think I once thought of you two as good posters :facepalm:

I love Nadal as much as anyone but you two are not tennis fans, you are Nadal fans. embarrassing

so, being a Nadal fan automatically disqualifies you as a tennis fan?

Action Jackson
03-27-2013, 11:08 PM
Look at the thread starter, there is your answer.

bjurra
03-28-2013, 12:12 AM
you're such a clown, can't appreciate when lower ranked played step up and play well, Haas played way better last night than Nadal ever has against Djokovic yet you're still acting stupid and like this tournament has had no quality.

Seriously? You are delusional.

Lestat
03-28-2013, 12:39 AM
finally when t-doc is no trolling they call him troll lol

agree with you btw, this tournament sucks this season.

leng jai
03-28-2013, 03:21 AM
The joke is getting funnier by the second.

delboy
03-28-2013, 03:35 AM
NID it is now called a joke event now that Murray is likely 99.9% gonna win it ;)

Lugburz
03-28-2013, 03:37 AM
...And I thought my jokes were bad...

Sham Kay
03-28-2013, 04:21 AM
The best jokes are in and the worst Djokes are out.

Badum-tsh

Mountaindewslave
03-28-2013, 05:16 AM
so, being a Nadal fan automatically disqualifies you as a tennis fan?

no you're disqualified from being a tennis fan when you're ONLY a fan of practically one player

Topspin and GSMNadal parading around diminishing players accomplishments and results who do well just because they don't share a Nadal bloodline is dumb and shows they lack respect for the sport

the same applies to any fan who is bitter at any time when their favorite player isn't involved

you knew what I meant way to twist it

Mountaindewslave
03-28-2013, 05:19 AM
Seriously? You are delusional.

??? you think Nadal has played as effectively against Novak on hard court EVER in his career as Tommy did the other night?
whether it be matchup issues or what, he hasn't

Kyle_Johansen
03-28-2013, 05:22 AM
I honestly don't remember a time Rafa played as great as Haas did against Nole on HC.

leng jai
03-28-2013, 05:30 AM
Tactically speaking Nadal has never produced anything close.

August
03-28-2013, 09:46 AM
It's great to see a mandatory event with only one top 4 player in QFs.

But you know something is wrong when you want to see the last rounds with as few top 4 players as possible. Top 4 should be the dream SF line-up but it happens too often and now it's more refreshing to see only one top 4 player in QFs.

Conclusion: This is a weak era. In a strong era, top 4 couldn't make constantly SFs, no matter how homogenized the surfaces are. With more different surfaces, we could at least have more often non-top 4 SF line-ups.

bjurra
03-28-2013, 10:34 AM
??? you think Nadal has played as effectively against Novak on hard court EVER in his career as Tommy did the other night?
whether it be matchup issues or what, he hasn't

Hitting a few backhand slices is the genius strategy that destroys the world no 1? Give me a break, Haas would never have won if Djokovic was anywhere near his best.

Nadal would have beaten Djokovic comfortably too.

leng jai
03-28-2013, 10:38 AM
Hitting a few backhand slices is the genius strategy that destroys the world no 1? Give me a break, Haas would never have won if Djokovic was anywhere near his best. Nadal would have won comfortably too.

Yep that's about the extent of your critical thinking ability.

heya
03-28-2013, 12:18 PM
It's great to see a mandatory event with only one top 4 player in QFs.

But you know something is wrong when you want to see the last rounds with as few top 4 players as possible. Top 4 should be the dream SF line-up but it happens too often and now it's more refreshing to see only one top 4 player in QFs.

Conclusion: This is a weak era. In a strong era, top 4 couldn't make constantly SFs, no matter how homogenized the surfaces are. With more different surfaces, we could at least have more often non-top 4 SF line-ups.

So, no great player should win Masters titles many times but Federer could beat gimps 7-10 yrs. ago? Fed can be called the best player ever but forbid other players from reaching their potential. It's bullcrap & you know it.

Top 4 couldn't make SFs 8 years ago because they stunk, even during Davis Cup where they could choose their fave surfaces to gain advantage over the mediocre players. As soon as the US guys were forced to play defensively on every surface, they required easy draws & cheating by wrong line calls to win. Grass was like Kryptonite to clay players, so Federer only needed to play clowns to reap rewards in the forms of money & propaganda.

Ivelina_P
03-28-2013, 12:38 PM
Not at all.It shows that there's no need of the top 3 overhype to have an interesting tournament.Haas being the center of the attention now,congrats!

August
03-28-2013, 01:27 PM
So, no great player should win Masters titles many times but Federer could beat gimps 7-10 yrs. ago? Fed can be called the best player ever but forbid other players from reaching their potential. It's bullcrap & you know it.

Well, 2004-2010 before Nole 2.0 was an even weaker era as there were no real threats to one or two players.

Top 4 couldn't make SFs 8 years ago because they stunk, even during Davis Cup where they could choose their fave surfaces to gain advantage over the mediocre players. As soon as the US guys were forced to play defensively on every surface, they required easy draws & cheating by wrong line calls to win. Grass was like Kryptonite to clay players, so Federer only needed to play clowns to reap rewards in the forms of money & propaganda.

Shouldn't it be so that surfaces play differently unlike nowadays when everything is slow, even grass is hardly medium-fast?

heya
03-28-2013, 03:15 PM
Faster courts couldn't benefit Roddick, Hewitt, Safin, Haas much.

An old Haas can play because he's better on Miami type courts & he's no one-year performer.

How would faster courts help everyone now?
Fed needs to move & stretch faster because there aren't stiff & overweight players in the top 5 anymore.
He became better on medium fast courts, not on lightning quick ones. He just didn't win much the last 6 years after Nadal & Djoker improved at ages 21-22.

Llodra & Santoro were volleyers but didn't win big events on faster courts since 1997.
The worse servers could not reach Masters finals back then and right now.

Lugburz
03-28-2013, 03:21 PM
An old Haas can play because he's better on Miami type courts & he's no one-year performer.
The worse servers could not reach Masters finals back then and right now.
:confused:

So a 35 year old Haas, who has said many times that he prefers fast surfaces, said that one of the favorite tours are indoor carpet tours, has won the majority of titles exactly on fast courts, Halle being probably 2nd fastest surface on tour besides Newport...somehow benefits the slow courts of Miami where his best result was 4th round back in 2001? :confused:

heya
03-28-2013, 03:49 PM
Haas's much better after age 31-- all around, but he
didn't improve at Halle, Wimbledon or Madrid indoor type courts until he got healthy for 2 yrs (2008-9).

He always troubled Federer outdoors, on clay or medium fast courts since 2001.

Lugburz
03-28-2013, 03:55 PM
Haas's much better after age 31-- all around, but he
didn't improve at Halle, Wimbledon or Madrid indoor type courts until he got healthy for 2 yrs (2008-9).

He always troubled Federer outdoors, on clay or medium fast courts since 2001.

You realize that multiple times in his career he had to skip slow court tours only to try and play those which consist more on short points(fast courts) Not to mention missing few RG, but coming in Halle.
Slow courts are painful if you have 'weak' body injury wise.

You are right that he improved more after 2007 on fast courts, but in the early 2000's nowadays 'slow HC's' were considerably faster.
But to say he benefits Miami because it is slower surface, I think that doesn't make any sense at all.

bjurra
03-28-2013, 04:17 PM
Yep that's about the extent of your critical thinking ability.

Well that was the extent of his "amazing" strategy. Simple but it worked.

For those of you who think Djokovic did not gift the match away, it is on youtube. Watch the last three games. Error after error from Nole.

Lugburz
03-28-2013, 04:31 PM
Well that was the extent of his "amazing" strategy. Simple but it worked.

For those of you who think Djokovic did not gift the match away, it is on youtube. Watch the last three games. Error after error from Nole.

World #1, trying to defend his title in MASTERS without Nadal or Federer, gifted away his match?
Pls stop embarrassing yourself.

Haas outsmarted Novak in every aspect, if you think his game vs Novak was simple, you simply don't know anything about tennis.

Everko
03-28-2013, 04:39 PM
Any top event without Nadal is automatically a lower event. US Open 2012 is the best example.

August
03-28-2013, 04:41 PM
:confused:

So a 35 year old Haas, who has said many times that he prefers fast surfaces, said that one of the favorite tours are indoor carpet tours, has won the majority of titles exactly on fast courts, Halle being probably 2nd fastest surface on tour besides Newport...somehow benefits the slow courts of Miami where his best result was 4th round back in 2001? :confused:

The reason why Haas is doing so well in Miami is his talent. Slow courts favour grinding over talented shotmaking. But Haas now in Miami and Federer last year in IW showed that if you have enough talent, you can do well also on slow courts. But that's far from how good they are on fast surfaces.

Topspindoctor
03-28-2013, 04:43 PM
Any top event without Nadal is automatically a lower event. US Open 2012 is the best example.

:yeah:


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Lugburz
03-28-2013, 04:47 PM
The reason why Haas is doing so well in Miami is his talent. Slow courts favour grinding over talented shotmaking. But Haas now in Miami and Federer last year in IW showed that if you have enough talent, you can do well also on slow courts. But that's far from how good they are on fast surfaces.

Exactly.

Heya really lost me there, I mean are we supposed to believe that Haas can do more damage on slow courts than fast? lol
Mehh screw Wimbledon and USO, lets get that RG, Hasi :D

bjurra
03-28-2013, 04:47 PM
World #1, trying to defend his title in MASTERS without Nadal or Federer, gifted away his match?
Pls stop embarrassing yourself.

Haas outsmarted Novak in every aspect, if you think his game vs Novak was simple, you simply don't know anything about tennis.

Being a title defender does not automatically mean you are 100% pumped up.

Nole won 53% on his 1st serve, does that mean Haas had a genius returning strategy? No, it means Nole played shit, from start to finish.

Lugburz
03-28-2013, 04:54 PM
Being a title defender does not automatically mean you are 100% pumped up.

Nole won 53% on his 1st serve, does that mean Haas had a genius returning strategy? No, it means Nole played shit, from start to finish.

It means Haas destroyed him strategically, never letting Nole getting in his well known rythm. Nole was pumped up, his 'c'mons' prove that.
Haas was amazing that match, so the returns are no exception. The irony is, he wasn't even at his best tennis.

Calling it simple, what Haas showed that day, is just ignorant. It seems that you can't see how intelligent Tommy's game was.
I don't blame you, after conducting it so flawlessly, it looks pretty easy the why he's done it.

bjurra
03-28-2013, 05:43 PM
It means Haas destroyed him strategically, never letting Nole getting in his well known rythm. Nole was pumped up, his 'c'mons' prove that.

Cmons only prove Nole knows his responsibility to entertain the crowd. Unlike someone like Tsonga who lets the world know when he is bored.

I don't understand the rhythm argument, Haas gave Nole plenty of rhythm, it wasn't like he was swinging wildly at everything. Haas quickly realized Nole was having a bad day, decided to keep the ball in play and don't risk too much and that was the best thing to do. But I would hardly call that destroying him strategically. If Nole was that easily bamboozled by someone being consistent, he would not be top 3.

Lugburz
03-28-2013, 05:56 PM
Cmons only prove Nole knows his responsibility to entertain the crowd. Unlike someone like Tsonga who lets the world know when he is bored.


:facepalm:


You didn't get the rhythm argument, so let's just leave that as it is.

Lugburz
03-28-2013, 06:49 PM
btw never in doubt about what Tommy thinks of conditions in Miami, surface speed wise.
To all of you saying Haas benefits from the slow courts, hear him out:

http://www.sonyopentennis.com/Tennis/Media/Videos/Uploaded/2013/3/27/Miami-2013-Wednesday-Interview-Haas.aspx

Allez
03-28-2013, 06:53 PM
A taste of things to come. Only a Murray win can restore credibility to this tournament now.

deyaT87
03-28-2013, 11:47 PM
of course not
Why in the all tournament we must have four best players in SF?!
outside of them are some guys who can play excellent tennis too.

Chris Kuerten
03-28-2013, 11:52 PM
Three top ten players and one who defeated the world number one in the semi's, someone should dismantle this disgraceful tournament ASAP!

Kowchi
03-29-2013, 01:20 AM
btw never in doubt about what Tommy thinks of conditions in Miami, surface speed wise.
To all of you saying Haas benefits from the slow courts, hear him out:

http://www.sonyopentennis.com/Tennis/Media/Videos/Uploaded/2013/3/27/Miami-2013-Wednesday-Interview-Haas.aspx

Off Topic: You can see Haas's age well in that video.

It's not a joke event. Good tennis has been produced, maybe not from all of the top 10, but still it's good tennis.

Newcomer
03-29-2013, 01:25 AM
of course not
Why in the all tournament we must have four best players in SF?!
outside of them are some guys who can play excellent tennis too.

some guys can, but ferrer and gasquet is NOT.


First 3 rounds wasn't so bad, some nice matches like Ramos Blake or Haas-Sijsling, but that QF's :facepalm:

Snowwy
03-29-2013, 01:44 AM
Wait, Ramos Blake is a good match but a Ferrer Murray match would not be? I just don't understand.

Topspindoctor
03-29-2013, 01:47 AM
Wait, Ramos Blake is a good match but a Ferrer Murray match would not be? I just don't understand.

Lets be real here, no one sane actually thinks either of those are good matches except Sapeod and Mooza in the latter case


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Snowwy
03-29-2013, 01:54 AM
Lets be real here, no one sane actually thinks either of those are good matches except Sapeod and Mooza in the latter case


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I don't see what is wrong with Ferrer - Murray. Its a match all about progress and I find that matches like that are very interesting to watch.

janko05
03-29-2013, 01:59 AM
Gasquet vs Haas would be a stunner. I know it's a far cry but still...

Lugburz
03-29-2013, 02:01 AM
Gasquet vs Haas would be a stunner. I know it's a far cry but still...

+1:devil:

Topspindoctor
03-29-2013, 02:03 AM
I don't see what is wrong with Ferrer - Murray. Its a match all about progress and I find that matches like that are very interesting to watch.

Their matches tend to be massive shitfests especially on slow HC. AO2011 semi comes to mind....


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Mountaindewslave
03-29-2013, 05:06 AM
Their matches tend to be massive shitfests especially on slow HC. AO2011 semi comes to mind....


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semi sorta agree, just because Ferrer only has so many weapons, in that matchup you feel like either Murray's brain melts and Ferrer can run around the issue or Murray hits through David

not that compelling really, both grinders, one with more weapons. many other matchups and H2Hs that I prefer just due to better contrast.... I would actually really enjoy a Murray - Haas matchup potentially

Marcoo
03-29-2013, 09:41 AM
It's true that this year's edition is kinda weird, but i think it won't be like that everytime. I mean, It's still a MAster with a lot points and money to win ;)

Andi-M
03-29-2013, 09:53 AM
Miami is no more of a joke then Paris or Toronto last year. I'd say its alot better than those 2 events. There have been great matches in Miami over the years, and will be again.

Burrow
03-29-2013, 10:07 AM
I don't see what is wrong with Ferrer - Murray. Its a match all about progress and I find that matches like that are very interesting to watch.

Elaborate, please.

Rafa#Uno:-)
03-29-2013, 10:25 AM
tennis rocks ......

Allez
03-30-2013, 07:10 AM
If Murray does not win it...

GSMnadal
03-30-2013, 07:33 AM
It's exactly as shit as shanghai 2011 was

Punky
03-30-2013, 09:07 AM
I never liked Miami or IW but at least last year we had nalby rafa or fedal in the SF

Last night Murray Gasquet was the only good game I saw

They should cancel it and change it to grass 1000/500 but they will never agree bc of money

Burrow
03-30-2013, 10:16 AM
I never liked Miami or IW but at least last year we had nalby rafa or fedal in the SF

Last night Murray Gasquet was the only good game I saw

They should cancel it and change it to grass 1000/500 but they will never agree bc of money

What use would a grass Masters Series be in March?

your_valentine
03-30-2013, 10:24 AM
Surprise surprise. Look at who the threadstarter is :lol:

Any tournament without Nadull is already a good tournament in my book :yeah:

The only reason this tournament may be called a joke is the lack of streaming.

Punky
03-30-2013, 10:25 AM
What use would a grass Masters Series be in March?

i never said march :p

BroTree123
03-30-2013, 12:18 PM
If Murray does not win it...

It doesn't even matter anymore.

TigerTim
03-30-2013, 12:38 PM
It will be good to see the world no. 2 triumph once again in the face of overwhelming adversity.

Arise Slamray OBE

Tag
03-31-2013, 02:28 PM
miami has always been shit :shrug:

real champions like sampras only played there to avoid media hate

but who cares

murray cruising to title

djokovic shocked, nadal moaning, swiss crying

:yeah:

Jverweij
04-01-2013, 06:16 AM
dear TSD,

I must confess that in retrospect you turned out to be right on the money, albeit for a different reason than intended. With yet another win by one of the top-4, and an excruciatingly painful final to watch, this was indeed 'a joke of a tournament'.

Just felt that I should correct myself.

Kudos

August
04-01-2013, 09:10 AM
dear TSD,

I must confess that in retrospect you turned out to be right on the money, albeit for a different reason than intended. With yet another win by one of the top-4, and an excruciatingly painful final to watch, this was indeed 'a joke of a tournament'.

Just felt that I should correct myself.

Kudos

True. QFs were great, only one Big Four player and two other top 8 players. And only #2 & #3 making semis was great for the game. But as the final was Muzz-Ferrer, only Ferrer winning would've been a refreshing result. But a Big Four player playing so horribly as Murray played in the final was a disgrace for the sport. Unfortunately Ferrer didn't win, Ferrer's win would've saved tennis.

ProdigyEng
04-01-2013, 05:12 PM
Murray winning saved the event.

Nadal winning IW killed that event.

Dark Knight
04-01-2013, 05:37 PM
Well the Doc was right. The final was a big joke. :awww:

So can fairly say it was a joke event excluding the two good matches from Old Haas.

Mr. Oracle
04-01-2013, 09:24 PM
I found all the buzz and posts this tournament generated very amusing. GM was an asylum yesterday. Can't wait for RG.