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Miami R4: T.Haas def. N.Djoković 6-2 6-4 !!! :D

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Lugburz
03-27-2013, 04:18 AM
no comment atm, on the moon right now... :worship::worship::worship:

SerialKillerToBe
03-27-2013, 04:19 AM
get ready for the USO Nole.

Andresito
03-27-2013, 04:19 AM
Weak generation my ass.

Tommy! :worship:

Hewitt =Legend
03-27-2013, 04:19 AM
Everyone within a 15 metre radius of leng jai is soaked right now...

MTwEeZi
03-27-2013, 04:19 AM
:haha:


This is a GOAT result for the MTF purists & weak era trolls. Kleenex sales just went through the roof.

mdterp01
03-27-2013, 04:20 AM
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6s900LWWR1ra2ldio1_500.gif

Poetik
03-27-2013, 04:20 AM
amazin Tommy

Clydey
03-27-2013, 04:20 AM
My boy Bruce Chang must be having multiple orgasms right about now.

FedererBulgaria
03-27-2013, 04:20 AM
sooooo happy for Tommy,well done

br.w
03-27-2013, 04:20 AM
What a lesson xD

emotion
03-27-2013, 04:20 AM
I like Djokovic, but I am so happy

It means so much to have Haas do this after all he's been through :bigcry: He was untouchable the first set. 2nd Djokovic was quite poor, but Haas kept trying to choke.

Such a wonderful result, hope he beats Simon

Popo21
03-27-2013, 04:20 AM
Haven't seen that version of Tankovic since like 2009...pathetic stuff

BackhandDTL
03-27-2013, 04:20 AM
Fun fact involving a few numbers:

At 35, this was Haas' first time playing a R16 match in the Miami Masters...and he defeats the current world #1 in straight sets.

daddy
03-27-2013, 04:20 AM
:worship::worship::worship::worship:Wow, what a great tennis did Tommy played

HDW
03-27-2013, 04:20 AM
Amazing!

Haas played out of his mind!

BroTree123
03-27-2013, 04:20 AM
Haas my God, congrats :bowdown:

Cavalcante
03-27-2013, 04:21 AM
Great from Haas.

Lesson from Djokovic to all players: Even when not playing well, always gracious on defeats. Respect.

Mentalmidget
03-27-2013, 04:21 AM
http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article906013.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/88790324.jpg

rocketassist
03-27-2013, 04:21 AM
Tommy :worship:

leng jai :D

Great display of variety and tactics. Nole was flustered and never got into a rhythm.

theseth1119
03-27-2013, 04:21 AM
get ready for the USO Nole.

Well with Del Potro, Tsonga, and Jokeovic now out (oh and no Rogie or Rafa here to begin with) who will win 2013 Miami... Mugray, Ferrer, Berdych, or a surprise winner?

motorhead
03-27-2013, 04:21 AM
das Ist Gut

MBKeaton
03-27-2013, 04:21 AM
:speakles:

BackhandDTL
03-27-2013, 04:22 AM
Haas thought about letting Djokovic back in the match.

He gave it more thought and said, "Fuck that, my daughter's cold."

Mr. Oracle
03-27-2013, 04:22 AM
Haas makes Djoker pay for a half hearted start despite a late flurry. Haas going for his 2nd masters since 2001. Don't clown the next match after such a gutsy performance.

Tiebreak100
03-27-2013, 04:22 AM
Haas was superb bar the middle section of the second set. Poor from Novak. Unless the condition are perfect, the gymnast struggles. For this reason he is a false number #1.

MIMIC
03-27-2013, 04:22 AM
Soooooooooooooo was Haas that good or was Novak that bad?

I only saw bits and pieces of the 2nd set and all I saw was Novak lunging for forehands and Haas shanking balls that kept going on.

T.M.Haas
03-27-2013, 04:22 AM
Amazing

OnyxRose
03-27-2013, 04:22 AM
Inching closer to that Simon-Murray final.

I miss Rafa and Fed. I never were fans but this tourney is a bore.

delboy
03-27-2013, 04:22 AM
Haven't seen that version of Tankovic since like 2009...pathetic stuff

He was bad but it was no tank which would be clear to anyone who watched the match...

dencod16
03-27-2013, 04:22 AM
Many might say Djokovic was bad, i disagree, he was not good but he wasn't bad as well. Djokovic strategy was wait for errors, specially in the first set, but Haas was too solid for that. Haas just played superb tennis.

3DGNumberOneFan
03-27-2013, 04:22 AM
Adjeeeeeeeeee Tommy!!!!!!! 910 Points Down The Shitter!!

janko05
03-27-2013, 04:22 AM
congrats to the best American tennis player and his fans

Gris
03-27-2013, 04:22 AM
Shame that I missed the match because of a lecture.


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Johnny Groove
03-27-2013, 04:23 AM
Tommy Haas made sweet, sweet love to the game tonight, Djokovic could only watch.

The Europeans will wake up to an incredible result here.

Djokovic was off his game, sure, the wind didn't help, but the #1 thing here was that Tommy Haas was just insane. Masterclass performance, played smart, played the right shot when needed, just clinical.

Put this match in a time capsule, and people in the future will know what genius is.

Chase Visa
03-27-2013, 04:23 AM
Tommy!

This is the weak generation, not the New Balls. 35 years old and still beating the #1 player :wavey:

mark73
03-27-2013, 04:23 AM
Haas beats transitional number 1.

SerialKillerToBe
03-27-2013, 04:23 AM
Haas was superb bar the middle section of the second set. Poor from Novak. Unless the condition are perfect, the gymnast struggles. For this reason he is a false number #1.

let me guess: Pushray is a much better candidate?

Lee
03-27-2013, 04:23 AM
Excellent match from Haas! He has all the weapons and ways to counter Novak's game.

OTH, Nole is quite off tonight. Movement is off. Timing is off. Serve is off. But the serve has been declining since Indian Wells.

Saberq
03-27-2013, 04:23 AM
7 W 30 UE LOL...............good lucky old man in the next round

fivebargate
03-27-2013, 04:23 AM
Amazing scenes! Some outstanding all court tennis from the old chap! Go Tommy!

MichaelKrep
03-27-2013, 04:23 AM
Best result all week! This is truly a great day for tennis.

SapELee
03-27-2013, 04:23 AM
So happy for Tommy :)

Travod
03-27-2013, 04:23 AM
http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt57/panic-girl13/gifs/happy.gif

evilmindbulgaria
03-27-2013, 04:24 AM
In before the shitstorm...

Great match! Congratulations to Haas and his fans. Tommy played very well, when he lost his break advantage in the second I thought Nole will run away with the match.

By the way, those of you who slam Nole for his character - the guy signed multiple autographs for the kids on his way out even though he lost. Not that many players would do that!

redshift36188
03-27-2013, 04:24 AM
What an old school masterclass! This one was purely on tennis IQ.


Just don't dare losing to Ferrer now.

philosophicalarf
03-27-2013, 04:24 AM
http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/8643/haas.jpg

blackwell
03-27-2013, 04:24 AM
The Clown is a pigeon of 30+years old Haas from the "weak" era )) (and also Roddick's)

Saberq
03-27-2013, 04:24 AM
Excellent match from Haas! He has all the weapons and ways to counter Novak's game.

OTH, Nole is quite off tonight. Movement is off. Timing is off. Serve is off. But the serve has been declining since Indian Wells.

he is clearly hurt serving wise

SerialKillerToBe
03-27-2013, 04:24 AM
Tommy Haas made sweet, sweet love to the game tonight, Djokovic could only watch.

The Europeans will wake up to an incredible result here.

Djokovic was off his game, sure, the wind didn't help, but the #1 thing here was that Tommy Haas was just insane. Masterclass performance, played smart, played the right shot when needed, just clinical.

Put this match in a time capsule, and people in the future will know what genius is.

Genius is choking to Fedmug in every important match you've played

chocochoco
03-27-2013, 04:24 AM
Great result for tennis :worship:
Strong era spartan this Jokeovic :lol::haha::haha::superlol:
Tards :bigwave:

danieln1
03-27-2013, 04:24 AM
I like Haas, but now Miami became a MM event.

Kat_YYZ
03-27-2013, 04:24 AM
Tommy started out on fire while Nole was horrible. Then Nole got better and Tommy got a bit uptight about the whole thing. In the end Tommy deserved to win (I can say that though I'd have preferred Nole). That's sport. :shrug:

Tommy :yeah:
leng jai :banana: :banana: :banana:

Nole :hug:
Nole fans :hug:

Topspindoctor
03-27-2013, 04:25 AM
I am seriously worried about Leng Jai... He probably experienced multiple heart attacks watching this match :lol:


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Lugburz
03-27-2013, 04:25 AM
I like Haas, but now Miami became a MM event.

:facepalm:

pepita1964
03-27-2013, 04:25 AM
That is a player of weak Federer generation !!!!

MichaelKrep
03-27-2013, 04:25 AM
http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt57/panic-girl13/gifs/happy.gif
This.

guga2120
03-27-2013, 04:25 AM
Hopefully for Novak's sake that was a strategic tank to get ready for Rafa, and Clay.

If not the best player in the world getting manhandled at times by an old man on his best service by far is really bad.

SerialKillerToBe
03-27-2013, 04:25 AM
Nole ~ "definitely the worst match I've played in a long time"

you got that right Nole.

Saberq
03-27-2013, 04:25 AM
well I guess Mandy has to win 1 token masters 1000 he failed to do so for what 2 years :lol:

Kyle_Johansen
03-27-2013, 04:26 AM
Amazing stuff from Haas. Once he got broken in the 2nd set it looked like Nole would take control but Tommy stayed in it. Awesome win!

Tiebreak100
03-27-2013, 04:26 AM
let me guess: Pushray is a much better candidate?

If you mean the Miami 2013 champion Andy Murray, then yes.

Lee
03-27-2013, 04:26 AM
Nole already in press conference already :lol:

while Haas is still on court.

Dark Knight
03-27-2013, 04:26 AM
35 year old from "weak era" beats the World No 1 of "strong era" in straights :haha:

Haas didn't think you'd do this in these slow courts..but hey proved me wrong :worship:

Mountaindewslave
03-27-2013, 04:26 AM
awesome play from Tommy, fantastic variety. granted Novak hit a million errors but this was partially from Haas mixing it up so well with different spins, lobs, drop shots, etc

beautiful display of all court tennis

feel on the moon with this result :]

janko05
03-27-2013, 04:26 AM
that lilac T-shirt was the turning point

Knotty Fort
03-27-2013, 04:26 AM
The wind didn't help Novak's footwork, but Tommy's superb use of the slice constantly kept Novak off balance as well. Coupled with good depth, good variation of flat and high balls, Novak just did not really know how to plant his foot in the entire match, and if you can do that Novak's effectiveness is greatly reduced.

I'm surprised Tommy kept it together mentally, but you could see how much he wanted it tonight.

And I mean good for Novak to be gracious and stuff, but is anyone else sensing he is not hating to lose as much as I expected him too? Maybe he does throw a crazy fit in the locker room, but I don't get that petulance/frustration at the loss here, as well as to Delpo in Indian Wells.

the_hitch
03-27-2013, 04:27 AM
So wind is Djokovic 2.0's kryptonite?

Windray better pray for another shitty inclement Flushing Meadows then..

choppaa
03-27-2013, 04:27 AM
Great for Haas, he totally deserved it, Novak you utter Mug, hit the training court now if you want your form back. No words for tonight, pathetic.

Nole Rules
03-27-2013, 04:27 AM
Haas. :worship::hatoff: Congrats leng jai. :yeah:
This match shows how much talented this guy is. Great stuff.

leng jai
03-27-2013, 04:27 AM
lol wtf

TennisPhan1
03-27-2013, 04:27 AM
If only Novak had Serena mental strength and comeback ability...

Haas played fantastic and Nole obviously not at his best.

azinna
03-27-2013, 04:28 AM
Woah!!!!!

So sincerely happy for Tommy!!!!!!

Pipsy
03-27-2013, 04:28 AM
This result genuinely brings a tear to my eye. What a story!

Mountaindewslave
03-27-2013, 04:28 AM
Haas thought about letting Djokovic back in the match.

He gave it more thought and said, "Fuck that, my daughter's cold."

what a caring father :yeah:

Topspindoctor
03-27-2013, 04:29 AM
lol wtf

I was expecting more. Disappointed :(


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dencod16
03-27-2013, 04:29 AM
In before the shitstorm...

Great match! Congratulations to Haas and his fans. Tommy played very well, when he lost his break advantage in the second I thought Nole will run away with the match.

By the way, those of you who slam Nole for his character - the guy signed multiple autographs for the kids on his way out even though he lost. Not that many players would do that!

He did the same with del Potro, he is no Federer when it comes to losing.


Nole ~ "definitely the worst match I've played in a long time"

you got that right Nole.

I guess he hasn't watch some of his other matches, where his opponent choked when he was playing badly.

Tiebreak100
03-27-2013, 04:29 AM
well I guess Mandy has to win 1 token masters 1000 he failed to do so for what 2 years :lol:

Commiserations mate. Hope it hurts.

Smoke944
03-27-2013, 04:30 AM
Everyone within a 15 metre radius of leng jai is soaked right now...

:lol:

I didn't watch the match so naturally I will type up my detailed analysis on how it transpired in just a minute...

Sham Kay
03-27-2013, 04:30 AM
Game, set and strong era, Haas.

PorkBarrel
03-27-2013, 04:30 AM
Haas was excellent, smart and brutal tennis. Got over the lapse in the second set very well.

Nole looked brittle out there.

Kyle_Johansen
03-27-2013, 04:30 AM
I knew Djokovic could struggle with Tommy but I never thought Tommy had a true shot at winning, never mind in straights! Just goes to show that Djokovic's achilles heel is his footwork and playing against variety.

Saberq
03-27-2013, 04:30 AM
Commiserations mate. Hope it hurts.

not much really......weird I am usually pissed about this but when you deserve to lose you deserve to lose

Mandy still wont make the final

Mark Lenders
03-27-2013, 04:31 AM
Incredible performance from Haas, this is a man who is almost 35 and went through millions of surgeries, just unbelievable :eek:

Being a textbook baseliner, Djokovic always struggled against players with great variety from the baseline, so it's not a surprise Haas was competitive, but rather that he managed to keep such a high level long enough to win the match. Amazing stuff, congrats to Haas and his fans :yeah:

champras
03-27-2013, 04:31 AM
I like Djokovic, but I am so happy

It means so much to have Haas do this after all he's been through :bigcry: He was untouchable the first set. 2nd Djokovic was quite poor, but Haas kept trying to choke.

Such a wonderful result, hope he beats Simon

Same here! Glad I stayed up and watched this phenomenal and heroic performance. At age of 35 who knows, this may be his last 'gift' from the tennis gods to achieve something big before retirement, in his 'hometown' :) Now please back up this win, and win it all Oster-Haasi ;)
Just as Tommy told us in his pre-match interview:

For me, this is something I look forward to the most. The reason I'm playing is to play those big guys, on big courts, in front of packed crowds. It's very exciting. I'm really looking forward to it. It's something special. You do the hard yards and work to get to those matches.

TheShowMustGoOn
03-27-2013, 04:31 AM
"5th slam" going to have one of Haas, Simon, Ferrer, or Melzer in the final.

Johnny Groove
03-27-2013, 04:31 AM
Genius is choking to Fedmug in every important match you've played

Don't hate.

Leng jai:

http://114pembrokedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/randy_marsh_covered_in_ectoplasm.jpg

Saberq
03-27-2013, 04:31 AM
I knew Djokovic could struggle with Tommy but I never thought Tommy had a true shot at winning, never mind in straights! Just goes to show that Djokovic's achilles heel is his footwork and playing against variety.

and wind,hurt elbow,30 UE's and ect.......shit happens

Moozza
03-27-2013, 04:31 AM
lol. Was really only like 10 days ago where some clowns were telling me with certainty that Djokovic was unbeatable on hardcourts? :lol:

Well done to Haas and his fans, he played some great stuff apart from when he was trying to choke.

mseles1
03-27-2013, 04:31 AM
Unexpected. 1st set was one of the finest I've seen for awhile, similar to AO R4 Wawrinka. Class from Djokovic yet again, warm congratulations & signed autographs. Blankets are a bit much - Manchester's not seen 10C since about September'12, I've never needed bedding.

delboy
03-27-2013, 04:32 AM
congrats to 2013 miami champ Andy Murray.

Cereal Killer
03-27-2013, 04:32 AM
Hasi vor, noch ein Tor...

Lestat
03-27-2013, 04:32 AM
it seems Novak just lost the same user... twice :haha: :haha: :haha:

MrPlateperson
03-27-2013, 04:33 AM
What strategic tanking from king Nole. Another reason why Miami should be gone.

Kyle_Johansen
03-27-2013, 04:34 AM
and wind,hurt elbow,30 UE's and ect.......shit happens

wind exposes the footwork the ball doesn't fly through the air as fast so he seemed to have some trouble hitting through the ball and creating pace.

Johnny Groove
03-27-2013, 04:35 AM
Anyone who really watched this knows it was no tank. Djokovic yelling like a caveman after holding for 1-2 in the second to avoid going down a double break?

This was 100% a Haas god-like performance.

Moozza
03-27-2013, 04:35 AM
Sorry Nole tards but it wasn't even windy :haha:

BackhandDTL
03-27-2013, 04:36 AM
Yes, it's true, Haas played amazing tonight, while Djokovic played poorly, but remember that these two things are not mutually exclusive.

Haas approached the match with a brilliant gameplan, and he's one of the rare players with the tools to execute it. This is not the first player with great variety who Djokovic has supposedly been "off" against. The same thing is said when he plays Murray, and the same thing was noted even when he played Stepanek in AO this year. As much as Djokovic has improved, mixing spins and patterns is still a hinderance to him.

Haas was deliberately employing his slice backhand clinically tonight, he came in and stuck some great volleys, he worked his touch and baited Djokovic to come forward, and he moved the ball around the court quite well. In short, he left no shot off the table tonight.

While Novak was less than stellar tonight, at least some of it, from his erroneous shots to his temperamental play, was induced by Haas' great execution of his variety.

Why Novak fans would rather cry poor form from their boy and "wind" is beyond me, when it's a credit to how ironclad his game is that it takes this type of flexibility to do this to Novak.

redshift36188
03-27-2013, 04:36 AM
Just hoping for Haas-Murray now, should be an interesting match-up as well.

Lugburz
03-27-2013, 04:36 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=CsLc_EAb6ho#t=274s

WAS IST DAAAS loooooS? :devil:

rocketassist
03-27-2013, 04:36 AM
Haas is the most deserving finalist from the top half by far. Go and book that Sunday date :yeah:

Lugburz
03-27-2013, 04:37 AM
Sorry Nole tards but it wasn't even windy :haha:

Begone, no muzza in here, begone.

Mentalmidget
03-27-2013, 04:37 AM
A little bit of wind and Djokovic falls apart, what a mental midget.

Mae
03-27-2013, 04:37 AM
As a long time Tommy Haas fan I sat and watched that Match and thought WTF? I seriously have a hard time wrapping that win around my head!
People in Nole's Forum said he had been going to basketball games I guess they were saying Nole has been staying out too late and not taking care when he has a tennis Match coming up!

janko05
03-27-2013, 04:37 AM
let's be realistic...Djokovic was clueless out there

Kyle_Johansen
03-27-2013, 04:38 AM
Yes, it's true, Haas played amazing tonight, while Djokovic played poorly, but remember that these two things are not mutually exclusive.

Haas approached the match with a brilliant gameplan, and he's one of the rare players with the tools to execute it. This is not the first player with great variety who Djokovic has supposedly been "off" against. The same thing is said when he plays Murray, and the same thing was noted even when he played Stepanek in AO this year. As much as Djokovic has improved, mixing spins and patterns is still a hinderance to him.

Haas was deliberately employing his slice backhand clinically tonight, he came in and stuck some great volleys, he worked his touch and baited Djokovic to come forward, and he moved the ball around the court quite well. In short, he left no shot off the table tonight.

While Novak was less than stellar tonight, at least some of it, from his erroneous shots to his temperamental play, was induced by Haas' great execution of his variety.

Why Novak fans would rather cry poor form from their boy and "wind" is beyond me, when it's a credit to how ironclad his game is that it takes this type of flexibility to do this to Novak.

Bang on. Haas played the perfect match strategically.

atennisfan
03-27-2013, 04:38 AM
so a 35 yo mug from the weak era straight setted the number 1 from the strong era?

thanks for the LULZ noletrolls!

:rolls:

Kyle_Johansen
03-27-2013, 04:38 AM
let's be realistic...Djokovic was clueless out there

...because he struggles with variety and balls that are consistently hit below his waist.

MIMIC
03-27-2013, 04:39 AM
35 year old from "weak era" beats the World No 1 of "strong era". :haha:

Yes. This one match says more about which era is stronger, not the fact that Haas has been as high as number two and has never been to a slam final. :facepalm:

rocketassist
03-27-2013, 04:41 AM
Yes. This one match says more about which era is stronger, not the fact that Haas has been as high as number two and has never been to a slam final. :facepalm:

Because their posts are implying his era was stronger?

No, they're just laughing at those who poke fun and demonise his generation as being a bunch of clowns.

juan27
03-27-2013, 04:41 AM
weak era.....

poor the haters , 35 years old and full of surgeris haas pushing hard nole in toronto and winning here in miami , hewitt semi-retired pushing to the limits nole in grass and won a set in australia , roddick with a positive h2h and an old and past peak federer was nº1 against nole and murray.

Audacity
03-27-2013, 04:41 AM
I dreamt last night that Pat Rafter came out of retirement and made the QF, but I guess this is okay. :D

Kyle_Johansen
03-27-2013, 04:42 AM
Yes. This one match says more about which era is stronger, not the fact that Haas has been as high as number two and has never been to a slam final. :facepalm:

The point is that fanboys constantly bash Fed's generation when that generation is still giving headaches to this generation, which is supposedly much stronger. It's in jest since all you ever hear is how Fed played in a weak era. Can't be so weak though when a 35 year-old can beat the world #1 "unstoppable on hardcourts" Djokovic.

bjurra
03-27-2013, 04:42 AM
He was bad but it was no tank which would be clear to anyone who watched the match...

It was clearly a tank. Just the way Nole kept approaching the net on poor approach shots gave away that.

Mountaindewslave
03-27-2013, 04:43 AM
Yes, it's true, Haas played amazing tonight, while Djokovic played poorly, but remember that these two things are not mutually exclusive.

Haas approached the match with a brilliant gameplan, and he's one of the rare players with the tools to execute it. This is not the first player with great variety who Djokovic has supposedly been "off" against. The same thing is said when he plays Murray, and the same thing was noted even when he played Stepanek in AO this year. As much as Djokovic has improved, mixing spins and patterns is still a hinderance to him.

Haas was deliberately employing his slice backhand clinically tonight, he came in and stuck some great volleys, he worked his touch and baited Djokovic to come forward, and he moved the ball around the court quite well. In short, he left no shot off the table tonight.

While Novak was less than stellar tonight, at least some of it, from his erroneous shots to his temperamental play, was induced by Haas' great execution of his variety.

Why Novak fans would rather cry poor form from their boy and "wind" is beyond me, when it's a credit to how ironclad his game is that it takes this type of flexibility to do this to Novak.

this is a very good post and accurate analysis

Lugburz
03-27-2013, 04:44 AM
here we are again, Haas beating Nole, and all we have is totally unrelated 'weak era/strong era' discussions. :spit::spit:

rocketassist
03-27-2013, 04:44 AM
It was clearly a tank. Just the way Nole kept approaching the net on poor approach shots gave away that.

He was doing it because he couldn't get a rhythm off the ground- Haas kept slicing and gave him a different shot every point.

Dark Knight
03-27-2013, 04:44 AM
Because their posts are implying his era was stronger?

No, they're just laughing at those who poke fun and demonise his generation as being a bunch of clowns.

The point is that fanboys constantly bash Fed's generation when that generation is still giving headaches to this generation, which is supposedly much stronger. It's in jest since all you ever hear is how Fed played in a weak era. Can't be so weak though when a 35 year-old can beat the world #1 "unstoppable on hardcourts" Djokovic.

This. Now get the point??

chocochoco
03-27-2013, 04:44 AM
Did the tornadoes start blowing from Arthur Ashe to Miami :awww:

bjurra
03-27-2013, 04:45 AM
Anyone who really watched this knows it was no tank. Djokovic yelling like a caveman after holding for 1-2 in the second to avoid going down a double break?

This was 100% a Haas god-like performance.

Nole is pretty good at disguising tanks and pseudo fight. Haas played well apart from the choke in the middle of 2nd set but Nole didn't give 100%, that is extremely obvious to me.

jcempire
03-27-2013, 04:45 AM
what a hell I lost 5000 on it

OKAY Fine, I don't think Djoker.

keep going Haas

blackwell
03-27-2013, 04:46 AM
weak era.....
poor the haters , 35 years old and full of surgeris haas pushing hard nole in toronto and winning here in miami
Tommy also beat Clown twice in 2009

Johnny Groove
03-27-2013, 04:46 AM
If Tommy Haas can beat Nadal on clay, he'd be the only player ever to beat Nadal on clay, Fed on grass, and Djokovic on hard.

rocketassist
03-27-2013, 04:46 AM
Nole is pretty good at disguising tanks and pseudo fight. Haas played well apart from the choke in the middle of 2nd set but Nole didn't give 100%, that is extremely obvious to me.

The point of him tanking is what? Delpo eliminated, Fedal not there and only Murray a threat facing more of a rocky run through. The opportunity to add another TMS was there and he didn't take it.

stewietennis
03-27-2013, 04:46 AM
Well done Haas. Either the previous generation wasn't as weak as some people are saying or the current generation is not as strong as first thought.

bjurra
03-27-2013, 04:46 AM
He was doing it because he couldn't get a rhythm off the ground- Haas kept slicing and gave him a different shot every point.

Yeah right...

Kyle_Johansen
03-27-2013, 04:47 AM
Nole is pretty good at disguising tanks and pseudo fight. Haas played well apart from the choke in the middle of 2nd set but Nole didn't give 100%, that is extremely obvious to me.

He was plenty into the match and got fired up a few times.

Why would he tank when he had 1000 points to defend playing the final HC tournament until Montreal in August?

alfonsojose
03-27-2013, 04:47 AM
Wake me up after RG. This Djokovic will lick Pocahontas' ass on clay. Who's gonna save us :sobbing:

rocketassist
03-27-2013, 04:47 AM
Yeah right...

In the Shanghai final against Murray he came forward as often as he did tonight. Was that a tank? He won from mp's down btw.

choppaa
03-27-2013, 04:48 AM
Yes, it's true, Haas played amazing tonight, while Djokovic played poorly, but remember that these two things are not mutually exclusive.

Haas approached the match with a brilliant gameplan, and he's one of the rare players with the tools to execute it. This is not the first player with great variety who Djokovic has supposedly been "off" against. The same thing is said when he plays Murray, and the same thing was noted even when he played Stepanek in AO this year. As much as Djokovic has improved, mixing spins and patterns is still a hinderance to him.

Haas was deliberately employing his slice backhand clinically tonight, he came in and stuck some great volleys, he worked his touch and baited Djokovic to come forward, and he moved the ball around the court quite well. In short, he left no shot off the table tonight.

While Novak was less than stellar tonight, at least some of it, from his erroneous shots to his temperamental play, was induced by Haas' great execution of his variety.

Why Novak fans would rather cry poor form from their boy and "wind" is beyond me, when it's a credit to how ironclad his game is that it takes this type of flexibility to do this to Novak.

Less than Stellar? Variety?! Dude, he missed like zillion regular shots for him from the beginning of the match, first point of the match was easy overhead he missed. It's easy for someone to play with "variety" when he gave him the match on a silver platter. Where was this variety when he destroyed Tommy in Hopman Cup? This is easily up there with that Kohlschreiber match at the French in 09. One of the worst matches ever, definitely.

bjurra
03-27-2013, 04:48 AM
The point of him tanking is what? Delpo eliminated, Fedal not there and only Murray a threat facing more of a rocky run through. The opportunity to add another TMS was there and he didn't take it.

I have no idea but why he wasn't interested. Before the match, I thought he would really want this title.

Kyle_Johansen
03-27-2013, 04:48 AM
Yeah right...

Djokovic's weakness is playing against variety when he isn't given rhythm from the baseline...

Moozza
03-27-2013, 04:48 AM
Nole did NOT tank you stupid tards

heya
03-27-2013, 04:49 AM
That is a player of weak Federer generation !!!! Haas is your hero, right, Fedworshipper? I guess you'd rather be Fed & Roddick, lucky to win titles the last 6 years. LMAO

Haas's no Roddick.

MIMIC
03-27-2013, 04:49 AM
The point is that fanboys constantly bash Fed's generation when that generation is still giving headaches to this generation, which is supposedly much stronger. It's in jest since all you ever hear is how Fed played in a weak era. Can't be so weak though when a 35 year-old can beat the world #1 "unstoppable on hardcourts" Djokovic.

Wow. So one match against a World No. 1 is indicative of what kind of era it was/is.

Just....wow. Someone should have let Novak know that during this match, the reputation of his era was hanging in the balance.

So when the teenagers/20-year-olds of THIS era was beating Federer up and down the court, what did THAT say?

rocketassist
03-27-2013, 04:50 AM
I have no idea but why he wasn't interested. Before the match, I thought he would really want this title.

I thought he was interested, he just played crap and that was partly down to Haas' tactics.

bjurra
03-27-2013, 04:51 AM
In the Shanghai final against Murray he came forward as often as he did tonight. Was that a tank? He won from mp's down btw.

Nole is a clever player, if he struggled and wanted the win badly, he would not solve the problem by hitting crappy approach shots that were guaranteed to give Haas good passing opportunities. Novak is no Llodra.

Kyle_Johansen
03-27-2013, 04:51 AM
Wow. So one match against a World No. 1 is indicative of what kind of era it was/is.

Just....wow.

So when the teenagers/20-year-olds of THIS era was beating Federer up and down the court, what did THAT say?

You don't get the point of what I'm saying, do you? Don't label Fed's generation as being weak when that generation can still beat this generation long past their prime.

Lee
03-27-2013, 04:52 AM
he is clearly hurt serving wise

Let's not make excuse here since Nole is not making it himself.

The point of him tanking is what? Delpo eliminated, Fedal not there and only Murray a threat facing more of a rocky run through. The opportunity to add another TMS was there and he didn't take it.

Get lots of rest before DC tie next week since all Americans are out :p












I am not agreeing he tanked, just having fun here :lol:

SerialKillerToBe
03-27-2013, 04:52 AM
we will know if Nole tanked this based on his performance in MC. Either he is preparing for the clay season or he doesn't care about tennis anymore.

redshift36188
03-27-2013, 04:53 AM
Why Novak fans would rather cry poor form from their boy and "wind" is beyond me, when it's a credit to how ironclad his game is that it takes this type of flexibility to do this to Novak.
Certainly you want your player to be the better guy specially when your opponent is playing his best, hence the excuses.

BlueLighthouse
03-27-2013, 04:53 AM
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6s900LWWR1ra2ldio1_500.gif

No tanking. He was beaten flat.
:devil: :devil: :devil:

moon language
03-27-2013, 04:53 AM
Great win for Haas. I thought he might get angry and collapse after missing all those break chances in the second and then being broken back.

MIMIC
03-27-2013, 04:54 AM
You don't get the point of what I'm saying, do you? Don't label Fed's generation as being weak when that generation can still beat this generation long past their prime.

One. Match. Doesn't. Mean. Anything.

janko05
03-27-2013, 04:54 AM
we will now if Nole tanked this based on his performance in MC. Either he is preparing for the clay season or he doesn't care about tennis anymore.

we can only hope but I have that strange feeling too

Johnny Groove
03-27-2013, 04:54 AM
we will now if Nole tanked this based on his performance in MC. Either he is preparing for the clay season or he doesn't care about tennis anymore.

You are serious aren't you :spit:

How about he was simply outplayed and there is nothing wrong with Djokovic?

Alex999
03-27-2013, 04:54 AM
Congrats to Haas, good match. Novak played utter sh!t, he shouldn't be allowed to come to the net :rolleyes:. It's against the tennis law :cool:.

I just hope Tommy will be able to carry on. If he loses in the next round I'll kill myself (j/k of course) :)

Nole Rules
03-27-2013, 04:54 AM
Haas's no Roddick.

leng jai must be really happy after hearing this.

Kyle_Johansen
03-27-2013, 04:56 AM
One. Match. Doesn't. Mean. Anything.

So you still think Fed's generation is weak after this? Haas is 35 in a week. Djokovic is in his prime. On hardcourts. In Miami. On a surface that is perfect for his game. Maybe guys like Haas are and were better than the likes of you ever give him credit for.

Voo de Mar
03-27-2013, 04:59 AM
Relativity of time on players' faces:

25-year-olds John Newcombe & Stan Smith before Wimbledon '71 final
35-year-old Tommy Haas after beating Dolgopolov two days ago

http://voodemar.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/relativityoftime.jpg

Kat_YYZ
03-27-2013, 04:59 AM
You don't get the point of what I'm saying, do you? Don't label Fed's generation as being weak when that generation can still beat this generation long past their prime.

he gets it. he's just being a troll. ;)

bjurra
03-27-2013, 05:00 AM
You are serious aren't you :spit:

How about he was simply outplayed and there is nothing wrong with Djokovic?

I simply cannot understand how anyone could reach this conclusion. Surely you have watched Djokovic a few times before?

Dark Knight
03-27-2013, 05:00 AM
Wow. So one match against a World No. 1 is indicative of what kind of era it was/is.

Just....wow. Someone should have let Novak know that during this match, the reputation of his era was hanging in the balance.

So when the teenagers/20-year-olds of THIS era was beating Federer up and down the court, what did THAT say?


No but it proves that Fed's generation certainly had talented players and not just "clowns".

And this generation talk was not initiated by Fed fans i suppose?? it was other tards who tried to make Fed's accomplishments look small by simply saying he did it in a "weak era".

My post was just dedicated to those tards. Makes sense??

juan27
03-27-2013, 05:00 AM
it`sadly that guys like haas beated the djokovic and the young starts like tomic or dimitrov are chokers or mugs

Kyle_Johansen
03-27-2013, 05:01 AM
Relativity of time on players' faces:

25-year-olds John Newcombe & Stan Smith before Wimbledon '71 final
35-year-old Tommy Haas after beating Dolgopolov two days ago

http://voodemar.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/relativityoftime.jpg

Yikes.

choppaa
03-27-2013, 05:01 AM
Djokovic's weakness is playing against variety when he isn't given rhythm from the baseline...

Not true, ask that I give you no rhythm guys like Federer, Murray, Stepanek, Llodra and many others after their losses from this poor boring "rhythm" baseliner Novak. He was just bad tonight, sorry to burst your bubble ;)

rocketassist
03-27-2013, 05:02 AM
Not true, ask that I give you no rhythm guys like Federer, Murray, Stepanek, Llodra and many others after their losses from this poor boring "rhythm" baseliner Novak. He was just bad tonight, sorry to burst your bubble ;)

And they've all beaten him.

Kyle_Johansen
03-27-2013, 05:02 AM
I simply cannot understand how anyone could reach this conclusion. Surely you have watched Djokovic a few times before?

Yes, and he can struggle against guys like Haas. He wasn't playing that well but Haas put him in a position he didn't want to be in time and time again.

Lee
03-27-2013, 05:04 AM
Why Novak fans would rather cry poor form from their boy and "wind" is beyond me, when it's a credit to how ironclad his game is that it takes this type of flexibility to do this to Novak.

Novak has been in poor form since Indian Wells. I have been saying this even when he bagel and breadstick his opponent. And tonight, he is not better. The difference is his opponent is much better and played great. Has a game that is trouble for him and did not choke.

Cosme Fulanito
03-27-2013, 05:04 AM
Maybe he ate a pizza and gluten kicked in :shrug:

chocochoco
03-27-2013, 05:04 AM
Lol at tards saying he tanked :superlol: Watch him get his a** whooped by Nadal on clay and by Slamray/Federer on grass. He should thank his lucky stars that Molina gift wrapped him AO 2013 or he would have gone slamless this year. Back to gymnastics my dear Serbian friend. :wavey:

heya
03-27-2013, 05:05 AM
Wow. Haas isn't nearly as old looking compared to Newcombe and
Roddick & Fed. Fed & Roddick resemble 45 yr. olds.

choppaa
03-27-2013, 05:05 AM
And they've all beaten him.

So? Filip Krajinovic also did and your point is...

pierricbross
03-27-2013, 05:05 AM
A relic from the weak generation everybody! Destroying the world number one! :worship:

Haas, beautiful game, great job!

janko05
03-27-2013, 05:07 AM
Maybe he ate a pizza and gluten kicked in :shrug:

no need to spread any reputation around before giving it to this specific poster

choppaa
03-27-2013, 05:08 AM
Lol at tards saying he tanked :superlol: Watch him get his a** whooped by Nadal on clay and by Slamray/Federer on grass. He should thank his lucky stars that Molina gift wrapped him AO 2013 or he would have gone slamless this year. Back to gymnastics my dear Serbian friend. :wavey:

Wow, trolls out of their hiding places. Molina did't give him anything, he took it himself out of Wawrinka's hands :D:)

MIMIC
03-27-2013, 05:08 AM
So you still think Fed's generation is weak after this? Haas is 35 in a week. Djokovic is in his prime. On hardcourts. In Miami. On a surface that is perfect for his game. Maybe guys like Haas are and were better than the likes of you ever give him credit for.

It's really sad that people are taking this one match and giving so much meaning to it, supposedly rendering countless other matches over several years as irrelevant.

Murray as a TEENAGER beat Federer in his prime in Cincinnati. Maybe I should use that as evidence to show how superior this generation is over the last :scratch:

juan27
03-27-2013, 05:09 AM
yeah

heya
03-27-2013, 05:10 AM
Not true, ask that I give you no rhythm guys like Federer, Murray, Stepanek, Llodra and many others after their losses from this poor boring "rhythm" baseliner Novak. He was just bad tonight, sorry to burst your bubble ;)

champs for Fed think Roddick has variety because the weak era is full of "win" vs. the 2008-2013 era. Poor Djoker is bad & faker than Roddick & Federer will ever be.

Alex999
03-27-2013, 05:11 AM
first of all, I love Tommy. the second Djokovic, played complete sh!t,. What's up with Novak going to the net so often nowadays. He is not a JMac or Edberg. well, Haas thought him a lesson.

cmoss
03-27-2013, 05:11 AM
Prime world no.1 just got beaten by a 100 years old man enjoy playing his favorite sport.What era is this?:confused:

Branimir
03-27-2013, 05:12 AM
Great job Haas!

rocketassist
03-27-2013, 05:12 AM
It's really sad that people are taking this one match and giving so much meaning to it, supposedly rendering countless other matches over several years as irrelevant.

Murray as a TEENAGER beat Federer in his prime in Cincinnati. Maybe I should use that as evidence to show how superior this generation is over the last :scratch:

In one ear and out the other, like the rest of your retorts.

Kyle_Johansen
03-27-2013, 05:13 AM
It's really sad that people are taking this one match and giving so much meaning to it, supposedly rendering countless other matches over several years as irrelevant.

Murray as a TEENAGER beat Federer in his prime in Cincinnati. Maybe I should use that as evidence to show how superior this generation is over the last :scratch:

Did I say this era is weaker than the last? No. But it says a lot about the quality of players that came from the early 2000s when Haas nearing retirement can beat prime Djokovic on HC in straight sets. Not to mention the numerous other times these "weak era" guys have beaten Djokovic, Nadal, and Murray on big stages the last 3-4 years and the times they have given them hard times, like Hewitt vs Djokovic at the AO in 2012.

MIMIC
03-27-2013, 05:13 AM
Prime world no.1 just got beaten by a 100 years old man enjoy playing his favorite sport.What era is this?:confused:

And prime No. 1 Federer was beaten by children during his height.

But you make a great point :yeah:

janko05
03-27-2013, 05:14 AM
first of all, I love Tommy. the second Djokovic, played so bad, just being stupid so often. What's up with Novak going to the net so often nowadays. He is not a JMac or Edberg. well, Haas thought him a lesson.

rushing to the net could suggest only problems with endurance and maybe a lack of motivation

redshift36188
03-27-2013, 05:14 AM
It's really sad that people are taking this one match and giving so much meaning to it, supposedly rendering countless other matches over several years as irrelevant.

Murray as a TEENAGER beat Federer in his prime in Cincinnati. Maybe I should use that as evidence to show how superior this generation is over the last :scratch:
The difference is that no one is claiming Roger's era is superior, just saying it's not weak and this match proves it, yes.

BackhandDTL
03-27-2013, 05:16 AM
It's really sad that people are taking this one match and giving so much meaning to it, supposedly rendering countless other matches over several years as irrelevant.

Murray as a TEENAGER beat Federer in his prime in Cincinnati. Maybe I should use that as evidence to show how superior this generation is over the last :scratch:

Except he didn't say anything about one generation being superior to the other. Notice his explanation was preceded with "...Still think Fed's generation was weak after this?"

Lodger Federer
03-27-2013, 05:16 AM
Lol at tards saying he tanked :superlol: Watch him get his a** whooped by Nadal on clay and by Slamray/Federer on grass. He should thank his lucky stars that Molina gift wrapped him AO 2013 or he would have gone slamless this year. Back to gymnastics my dear Serbian friend. :wavey:

Giftwrapped in the 4th round, you say? I wasn't aware that beating Wawrinka guaranteed him the title...

Kyle_Johansen
03-27-2013, 05:17 AM
The difference is that no one is claiming Roger's era is superior, just saying it's not weak and this match proves it, yes.

Yep. All eras are strong and all eras are filled with great players and great talent. For it being such a weak generation, Haas, Nalbandian, and Davydenko can still play with the best of this "mighty" era on their good days.

Johnny Groove
03-27-2013, 05:17 AM
Hopefully this match will end this whole nonsense era debate. No era is any better than any other.

How can Fed have a great era when he loses to Baby Murray, Baby Berdych, and Baby Nadal?
How can Djokovic have a great era when he is losing to old man Tommy Haas with 35 years?

No era is better than any other. Every era is strong.

Dark Knight
03-27-2013, 05:18 AM
The difference is that no one is claiming Roger's era is superior, just saying it's not weak and this match proves it, yes.

Except he didn't say anything about one generation being superior to the other. Notice his explanation was preceded with "...Still think Fed's generation was weak after this?"

This. I hope u get it now.

MIMIC
03-27-2013, 05:18 AM
Did I say this era is weaker than the last? No. But it says a lot about the quality of players that came from the early 2000s when Haas nearing retirement can beat prime Djokovic on HC in straight sets. Not to mention the numerous other times these "weak era" guys have beaten Djokovic, Nadal, and Murray on big stages the last 3-4 years and the times they have given them hard times, like Hewitt vs Djokovic at the AO in 2012.

All it says is that Djokovic isn't invincible....like no one is.

And about Hewitt vs. Djokovic: I'm gonna remember this reference whenever I want to refer to Federer vs. Agassi at the U.S. Open

"ZOMG! HE ALMOST LOST TO A SENIOR CITIZEN!"

Dark Knight
03-27-2013, 05:18 AM
Hopefully this match will end this whole nonsense era debate. No era is any better than any other.

How can Fed have a great era when he loses to Baby Murray, Baby Berdych, and Baby Nadal?
How can Djokovic have a great era when he is losing to old man Tommy Haas with 35 years?

No era is better than any other.

:worship:

choppaa
03-27-2013, 05:20 AM
The difference is that no one is claiming Roger's era is superior, just saying it's not weak and this match proves it, yes.

Only, there are guys here that claim that Roger's old era is superior.

janko05
03-27-2013, 05:20 AM
Hopefully this match will end this whole nonsense era debate. No era is any better than any other.

How can Fed have a great era when he loses to Baby Murray, Baby Berdych, and Baby Nadal?
How can Djokovic have a great era when he is losing to old man Tommy Haas with 35 years?

No era is better than any other. Every era is strong.

this

/ era

Lugburz
03-27-2013, 05:20 AM
rushing to the net could suggest only problems with endurance and maybe a lack of motivation

please don't be naive tebra ;)

Tommy always gave Nole a fair fight, coming close so many times and beating him few times.
Novak simply failed at strategy tonight, nothing wrong with his endurance or motivation, I'm sure few huge 'C'mons' proved that.

Also there's a reason why Tommy likes to play players like Novak, hence having good stats against them. He only struggles with guys like Del Potro, Monaco or any player that is slightly defensive.

To be honest I was confident enough to believe Tommy can win this if he at least repeats his game from Toronto.
It was going that way, or completely destroyed by Novak with Tommy making so many UE's like against Del Potro.

BackhandDTL
03-27-2013, 05:20 AM
NID five different people explain the argument to him and he's still on about everything else.

juan27
03-27-2013, 05:20 AM
And prime No. 1 Federer was beaten by children during his height.

But you make a great point :yeah:

yeah , murray beated him , and???

it`s more normal than youngers playes defeat great players , than a 35 yeas old and full of surgeris made that.

but this is for all the tard who talking bullshits , nothing more.

all eras has his good and bad things , no one it`s perfect

Dark Knight
03-27-2013, 05:21 AM
Only, there are guys here that claim that Roger's old era is superior.

Only to counter tards who keep saying it was weak.

Lodger Federer
03-27-2013, 05:22 AM
The difference is that no one is claiming Roger's era is superior, just saying it's not weak and this match proves it, yes.

To be fair, I think a lot of MIMIC's apprehension comes from the fact that some posters (not Kyle_Johansen specifically) discredit Novak by saying that he's simply winning in a transition era, and that Fed's era is superior...

Kyle_Johansen
03-27-2013, 05:22 AM
All it says is that Djokovic isn't invincible....like no one is.

And about Hewitt vs. Djokovic: I'm gonna remember this reference whenever I want to refer to Federer vs. Agassi at the U.S. Open

Agassi was awesome in 2004-2005 for his age and played great in that final. Your attempt to one-up me is futile since there's nothing to one-up about.

You know what it says? It says that Federer's main opponents from 2001-2007 still have the talent and the game to test and beat guys in their primes now. Just like Agassi was great enough to be top 10 at age 35, Haas is too. Any fanboy saying "Fed won his Slams because he had no opponents" should remember each and every time one of those guys challenges or beats a Djokovic or Murray or Nadal, and seriously rethink things.

Dark Knight
03-27-2013, 05:22 AM
NID five different people explain the argument to him and he's still on about everything else.

:haha:

chocochoco
03-27-2013, 05:22 AM
Prime world no.1 just got beaten by a 100 years old man enjoy playing his favorite sport.What era is this?:confused:

Strong era :devil:
Strong era where an out of prime Swiss Grandpa is struggling with back issues :devil:
Strong era where a glorified clay courter comes from a 8 month hiatus and puts WTA to shame by winning his first HC tourney in 2.5 yrs :devil:
Strong era where a Scottish player i.e. 1-5 in slam finals who according to Jokeovic tards only fluked a Slam due to wind. :devil:
Golden era :o

Action Jackson
03-27-2013, 05:22 AM
Go the youngster.

Kyle_Johansen
03-27-2013, 05:23 AM
NID five different people explain the argument to him and he's still on about everything else.

I'm laughing inside.

janko05
03-27-2013, 05:24 AM
please don't be naive tebra ;)

Tommy always gave Nole a fair fight, coming close so many times and beating him few times.
Novak simply failed at strategy tonight, nothing wrong with his endurance or motivation, I'm sure few huge 'C'mons' proved that.

Also there's a reason why Tommy likes to play players like Novak, hence having good stats against them. He only struggles with guys like Del Potro, Monaco or any player that is slightly defensive.

To be honest I was confident enough to believe Tommy can win this if he at least repeats his game from Toronto.
It was going that way, or completely destroyed by Novak with Tommy making so many UE's like against Del Potro.

don't want to take anything from Haas, but looking at Novak nowadays something is clearly missing from the picture

heya
03-27-2013, 05:24 AM
Roddick lost to top 10 opponents consistently, and never beat the top 10 in his fave competition - Davis Cup. He wasn't from a weak top 2 player generation?

Davydenko, Gaudio & Hewitt struggled in DC, Slams & Masters events.

Top 5 players today don't have a losing record to top 10 players unless you count only the year 2009 as a "generation".

juan27
03-27-2013, 05:25 AM
Agassi was awesome in 2004-2005 for his age and played great in that final. Your attempt to one-up me is futile since there's nothing to one-up about.

You know what it says? It says that Federer's main opponents from 2001-2007 still have the talent and the game to test and beat guys in their primes now. Just like Agassi was great enough to be top 10 at age 35, Haas is too. Any fanboy saying "Fed won his Slams because he had no opponents" should remember each and every time one of those guys challenges or beats a Djokovic or Murray or Nadal, and seriously rethink things.

I agree with you and groove.

some tards say bullshits againt federer fighting hard against a 33-35 years old agassi , but they need look again this match.

Kyle_Johansen
03-27-2013, 05:27 AM
To be fair, I think a lot of MIMIC's apprehension comes from the fact that some posters (not Kyle_Johansen specifically) discredit Novak by saying that he's simply winning in a transition era, and that Fed's era is superior...

I don't see how this era is transitional. All I ever hear is how we are in a golden era.

Yes, Haas beat Djokovic once, albeit in one of the biggest tournaments of the year. It doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things as the best all have their off days even in their prime days and Haas played a truly great match, and he made Djokovic uncomfortable. That's a credit to Haas and doesn't mean that Djokovic played bad. He wasn't great but he wasn't allowed to find his usual baseline rhythm.

I also don't want to read that Djokovic's chances in the clay court season are lesser because of this loss. Anything that happens in IW/Miami never really means much for the clay season.

choppaa
03-27-2013, 05:27 AM
yeah , murray beated him , and???

it`s more normal than youngers playes defeat great players , than a 35 yeas old and full of surgeris made that.

but this is for all the tard who talking bullshits , nothing more.

all eras has his good and bad things , no one it`s perfect

Tommy lost maybe two full years on tour because of injuries, he is old but he is not that spent physically. He plays better now than 10 years ago. Stronger era of today made him even better even at this age :devil::devil::devil:

BackhandDTL
03-27-2013, 05:27 AM
Less than Stellar? Variety?! Dude, he missed like zillion regular shots for him from the beginning of the match, first point of the match was easy overhead he missed. It's easy for someone to play with "variety" when he gave him the match on a silver platter. Where was this variety when he destroyed Tommy in Hopman Cup? This is easily up there with that Kohlschreiber match at the French in 09. One of the worst matches ever, definitely.

"Regular shots"? Lol, wtf is that?

Even if he came into the match cold, why was he never able to effectively find his footing in the match? When an opponent keeps you off-beat and guessing the night, you have no chance to even work your way into the match, as great champions like Nole have done time and time again.

Djokovic enjoys rhythm, and Haas granted him none. Instead, he resorted to hasty, temperamental efforts at closing points early and trying to force the action. It didn't work.

But yeah, for sure, keep telling yourself it was all about Djokovic as though he didn't routine guys in the previous rounds.

rocketassist
03-27-2013, 05:27 AM
someone should bump the era threads and move this shite in there.

This is Hass's appreciation thread. :rocker2:

MrPlateperson
03-27-2013, 05:28 AM
Haas has been playing well the last few months. Shame he played against a tanking Nole. Could have been a good match if Novak tried.

Lodger Federer
03-27-2013, 05:28 AM
Only to counter tards who keep saying it was weak.

But then even more people claim Fed's era is weak to counter the people now saying that his era is superior. It's a loop that just annoys the heck out of all fans involved, since there's no way to concretely validate either statement

janko05
03-27-2013, 05:29 AM
To be fair, I think a lot of MIMIC's apprehension comes from the fact that some posters (not Kyle_Johansen specifically) discredit Novak by saying that he's simply winning in a transition era, and that Fed's era is superior...

a transitional era? oh, brother...now I've heard it all

BackhandDTL
03-27-2013, 05:30 AM
Roddick lost to top 10 opponents consistently, and never beat the top 10 in his fave competition - Davis Cup. He wasn't from a weak top 2 player generation?


And he still walked away with a winning H2H v. Djokovic.

Davydenko still boasts one v. Nadal.


I hope it feels good to have these "weak era" products hold these things over today's very best, clown.

Kyle_Johansen
03-27-2013, 05:31 AM
But then even more people claim Fed's era is weak to counter the people now saying that his era is superior. It's a loop that just annoys the heck out of all fans involved, since there's no way to concretely validate either statement

As Groove said perfectly, no era is better than any other. All competition is based on the standards of its own time. At the same token as I think it's foolish to say 2013 has tougher competition than 2003, I think it's foolish to say 2003 had better competition than 1983 and so on and so on.

I think what happens is people look at the names and don't see the quality of the play from those names. They look at Baghdatis and Gonzalez and see that they have no Slams but disregard the actual level of tennis they both played in those tournaments. Just like in the 90s when Pioline was making Wimbledon finals. A casual person would say Pioline who? But he was good enough to make Slam finals and ultimately was just one match short. Same with many of Fed's GS finals opponents.

Dark Knight
03-27-2013, 05:31 AM
But then even more people claim Fed's era is weak to counter the people now saying that his era is superior. It's a loop that just annoys the heck out of all fans involved, since there's no way to concretely validate either statement

Shame on the guy who started this. And i'm pretty sure it was a Fed hater tard.

Johnny Groove
03-27-2013, 05:32 AM
I agree with you and groove.

some tards say bullshits againt federer fighting hard against a 33-35 years old agassi , but they need look again this match.

Yes, old man Agassi vs. Peak Federer played very well.

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Zelyony
03-27-2013, 05:32 AM
Awesome result for Haas but still is gonna lose to Simon tomorrow.:zzz:

Depeche
03-27-2013, 05:32 AM
I just took a quick look through this thread, are you all serious about the tanking comments? I can't tell. :lol: I don't think he tanked this at all; he had points to defend and an easy draw.

Tommy played well, Novak played horribly and I'm embarrassed for him as the #1. In my opinion he hasn't seemed totally focused since Indian Wells.

Lugburz
03-27-2013, 05:32 AM
don't want to take anything from Haas, but looking at Novak nowadays something is clearly missing from the picture

fair enough. He did look odd on court here and there, but as I said I don't believe motivation has anything to do with it.

Most likely scenario is that:

Novak simply didn't care too much about this match, in terms, and considering how Tommy actually cared. Because I don't believe that top players in the world can be unmotivated considering its Masters after all. No other top player playing, a huge chance to 'upgrade' your #1 ranking.

This was a huge confidence boost for Tommy, and hopefully he can make something out of it.

choppaa
03-27-2013, 05:33 AM
"Regular shots"? Lol, wtf is that?

Even if he came into the match cold, why was he never able to effectively find his footing in the match? When an opponent keeps you off-beat and guessing the night, you have no chance to even work your way into the match, as great champions like Nole have done time and time again.

Djokovic enjoys rhythm, and Haas granted him none. Instead, he resorted to hasty, temperamental efforts at closing points early and trying to force the action. It didn't work.

But yeah, for sure, keep telling yourself it was all about Djokovic as though he didn't routine guys in the previous rounds.

Yes, it was all about Djokovic, that's my belief which I strongly believe in, you have your and I don't give a shit. This is a discussion forum last time I checked.

rocketassist
03-27-2013, 05:33 AM
Yes, it was all about Djokovic, that's my belief which I strongly believe in, you have your and I don't give a shit. This is a discussion forum last time I checked.

The words of a pissed off butthurt fanboy there no?

Pipsy
03-27-2013, 05:33 AM
Fed up of this era nonsense. On any given day, any player can beat any other player. It just takes the right combination of factors. Form alone means nothing. The Haas of this match was not playing exactly the same as the Haas who was beating Jim Courier in 1999.

Just look at each match in its own individual context, and try not to extrapolate speculatively how it defines the previous 10 years.

Lodger Federer
03-27-2013, 05:34 AM
I don't see how this era is transitional. All I ever hear is how we are in a golden era.

Yes, Haas beat Djokovic once, albeit in one of the biggest tournaments of the year. It doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things as the best all have their off days even in their prime days and Haas played a truly great match, and he made Djokovic uncomfortable. That's a credit to Haas and doesn't mean that Djokovic played bad. He wasn't great but he wasn't allowed to find his usual baseline rhythm.

I also don't want to read that Djokovic's chances in the clay court season are lesser because of this loss. Anything that happens in IW/Miami never really means much for the clay season.

I mean that there were plenty of people here saying that Djokovic was winning slams now due only to Roger and Rafa's declines (especially during 2011). There are indeed some people (especially in the media) who say it's a golden era, though.

janko05
03-27-2013, 05:35 AM
I just took a quick look through this thread, are you all serious about the tanking comments? I can't tell. :lol: I don't think he tanked this at all; he had points to defend and an easy draw.

Tommy played well, Novak played horribly and I'm embarrassed for him as the #1. In my opinion he hasn't seemed totally focused since Indian Wells.

+1

Dark Knight
03-27-2013, 05:36 AM
Hopefully this match will end this whole nonsense era debate. No era is any better than any other.

How can Fed have a great era when he loses to Baby Murray, Baby Berdych, and Baby Nadal?
How can Djokovic have a great era when he is losing to old man Tommy Haas with 35 years?

No era is better than any other. Every era is strong.


End of Era Debates.

Kyle_Johansen
03-27-2013, 05:37 AM
I mean that there were plenty of people here saying that Djokovic was winning slams now due only to Roger and Rafa's declines (especially during 2011). There are indeed some people (especially in the media) who say it's a golden era, though.

Fed and Rafa hardly declined in 2011. Fed played well at the AO, Rafa played well at IW and Miami, Fed was uber good at the FO and USO and Rafa, while overwhelmed by Nole's level at the USO, still fought well and made it a match.

Lodger Federer
03-27-2013, 05:38 AM
As Groove said perfectly, no era is better than any other. All competition is based on the standards of its own time. At the same token as I think it's foolish to say 2013 has tougher competition than 2003, I think it's foolish to say 2003 had better competition than 1983 and so on and so on.

I think what happens is people look at the names and don't see the quality of the play from those names. They look at Baghdatis and Gonzalez and see that they have no Slams but disregard the actual level of tennis they both played in those tournaments. Just like in the 90s when Pioline was making Wimbledon finals. A casual person would say Pioline who? But he was good enough to make Slam finals and ultimately was just one match short. Same with many of Fed's GS finals opponents.

I agree with this. People tend to simply rank the era that they like better as the better era without taking these things into account.

juan27
03-27-2013, 05:39 AM
Tommy Haas tops Novak Djokovic, becomes oldest man to beat a No. 1-ranked player in 30 years.

nadull will be back to the nº1 if nole not wake up

Certinfy
03-27-2013, 05:40 AM
Top half of the draw :haha:

Henry Chinaski
03-27-2013, 05:40 AM
a lot of fans of the top players are so spoilt these days. every time they lose there *must* be an excuse.

tennis media does the same thing.

wait and see if murray loses. it'll be the schedule or the courts of the humidity or top players having one eye on clay season. something.

sometimes the opponent was just better on the day and there's nothing much more to analyse.

Kyle_Johansen
03-27-2013, 05:40 AM
Fed up of this era nonsense. On any given day, any player can beat any other player. It just takes the right combination of factors. Form alone means nothing. The Haas of this match was not playing exactly the same as the Haas who was beating Jim Courier in 1999.

Just look at each match in its own individual context, and try not to extrapolate speculatively how it defines the previous 10 years.

1. 1999 Haas was different than 2013 Haas because the former had a fully healthy shoulder. :p

2. It's not so much about era vs era (for me) as it is not seeing the guys like Haas get the credit they deserve for being amazing tennis players just because they didn't win as much as they should and could have, large in part due to Federer.

As Groove said, all eras are strong and if you're good, you're good, no matter what time period you are in.

MIMIC
03-27-2013, 05:40 AM
OK, I concede to the past posts about the eras (only because I have to get to bed :lol: )

janko05
03-27-2013, 05:41 AM
I agree with this. People tend to simply rank the era that they like better as the better era without taking these things into account.

People don't take anything into account besides their beloved players. That's the whole point behind this era debate.

BackhandDTL
03-27-2013, 05:42 AM
Yes, it was all about Djokovic, that's my belief which I strongly believe in, you have your and I don't give a shit. This is a discussion forum last time I checked.

When did I ever say I had a problem with you responding to my post? If this is a discussion forum, should I not be allowed to refute your claims in support of my own argument? You should really reassess the situation.

Lodger Federer
03-27-2013, 05:43 AM
Fed and Rafa hardly declined in 2011. Fed played well at the AO, Rafa played well at IW and Miami, Fed was uber good at the FO and USO and Rafa, while overwhelmed by Nole's level at the USO, still fought well and made it a match.

Oh, don't get me wrong. I don't actually agree with the statements about their declines (I'd be inclined not to anyway, I'm a Djokovic fan. The Fed-Djoker rivalry was ridiculous that year). But they were brought up a lot when some people were discrediting Djokovic's wins.

atennisfan
03-27-2013, 05:44 AM
DOOOOOOOOO BAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRR

dedicated to rutinos harcos and nole fan bitches who love to badrep me for nothing

Lugburz
03-27-2013, 05:44 AM
janko05, you're a class act. Wished many Novak fans(from Serbia) are like you.

Much respect to Nole, he is my countryman but I've been following Haas long before Novak stepped on courts :)
Not to mention Haas' style of play, which I prefer like ten times more than Novak's, but that still doesn't say I don't like Novak, I love his personality.

Also there's no room for fake 'patriotism' when tennis is concerned.

Kat_YYZ
03-27-2013, 05:44 AM
I simply cannot understand how anyone could reach this conclusion. Surely you have watched Djokovic a few times before?
I have, and I've concluded that he's human & not a robot. ;)
a lot of fans of the top players are so spoilt these days. every time they lose there *must* be an excuse.

tennis media does the same thing.

wait and see if murray loses. it'll be the schedule or the courts of the humidity or top players having one eye on clay season. something.

sometimes the opponent was just better on the day and there's nothing much more to analyse.
:yeah:

Depeche
03-27-2013, 05:44 AM
fair enough. He did look odd on court here and there, but as I said I don't believe motivation has anything to do with it.

Most likely scenario is that:

Novak simply didn't care too much about this match, in terms, and considering how Tommy actually cared. Because I don't believe that top players in the world can be unmotivated considering its Masters after all. No other top player playing, a huge chance to 'upgrade' your #1 ranking

Yeah, I agree with all of that, except I'd say that motivation probably had a lot to do with it. Novak didn't seem fully focused, Tommy was 110% focused. I certainly don't think Novak played to lose though, especially with his parents in the crowd.

Mark Lenders
03-27-2013, 05:46 AM
How the hell does a thread about Haas beating Djokovic become this incessant bickering about eras :lol:? This era nonsense must be the most tedious thing on MTF

Lugburz
03-27-2013, 05:48 AM
Yeah, I agree with all of that, except I'd say that motivation probably had a lot to do with it. Novak didn't seem fully focused, Tommy was 110% focused. I certainly don't think Novak played to lose though, especially with his parents in the crowd.

exactly.

Kyle_Johansen
03-27-2013, 05:48 AM
Oh, don't get me wrong. I don't actually agree with the statements about their declines (I'd be inclined not to anyway, I'm a Djokovic fan. The Fed-Djoker rivalry was ridiculous that year). But they were brought up a lot when some people were discrediting Djokovic's wins.

Believe me, I've been a Fed fan long enough not to discredit anyone's wins or accomplishments. Before 2010 2001-2009 was considered a very strong era by pretty much everyone and now it's just become a pointless war-like discussion that keeps going around in circles.

redshift36188
03-27-2013, 05:48 AM
I think what happens is people look at the names and don't see the quality of the play from those names. They look at Baghdatis and Gonzalez and see that they have no Slams but disregard the actual level of tennis they both played in those tournaments. Just like in the 90s when Pioline was making Wimbledon finals. A casual person would say Pioline who? But he was good enough to make Slam finals and ultimately was just one match short. Same with many of Fed's GS finals opponents.
Couldn't have said it any better, spot on!

Lugburz
03-27-2013, 05:49 AM
How the hell does a thread about Haas beating Djokovic become this incessant bickering about eras :lol:? This era nonsense must be the most tedious thing on MTF

I'm trying to fight it as well, but this is a war we were never destined to win :lol:

Kyle_Johansen
03-27-2013, 05:49 AM
How the hell does a thread about Haas beating Djokovic become this incessant bickering about eras :lol:? This era nonsense must be the most tedious thing on MTF

The strength of eras is the base for our existence as tennis fans. :rolleyes:

n8
03-27-2013, 05:49 AM
How the hell does a thread about Haas beating Djokovic become this incessant bickering about eras :lol:? This era nonsense must be the most tedious thing on MTF

Please someone take advantage of this. :devil:

janko05
03-27-2013, 05:50 AM
The strength of eras is the base for our existence as tennis fans. :rolleyes:

lolwut

Lodger Federer
03-27-2013, 05:54 AM
How the hell does a thread about Haas beating Djokovic become this incessant bickering about eras :lol:? This era nonsense must be the most tedious thing on MTF

It was unavoidable :sad:

Yolita
03-27-2013, 05:54 AM
Soooooooooooooo was Haas that good or was Novak that bad?


A bit of both: Novak started very badly, not dealing with the wind well at all, but Tommy played fantastic tennis. Great to see.

Novak kept coming to the net in the first set, and every time Tommy schooled him...Every time. :lol:

Novak tried to come back from the dead in the second set, but it was too little too late. Tommy was not to be denied. He was in the zone and he truly deserved the win.

Congratulations to Tommy and his fans. He played amazing tennis. :worship:

If Nole was to lose in Miami, Tommy has was the best choice of opponent to lose to. Who could be unhappy with a Tommy win? :D

barbadosan
03-27-2013, 05:56 AM
Did I say this era is weaker than the last? No. But it says a lot about the quality of players that came from the early 2000s when Haas nearing retirement can beat prime Djokovic on HC in straight sets. Not to mention the numerous other times these "weak era" guys have beaten Djokovic, Nadal, and Murray on big stages the last 3-4 years and the times they have given them hard times, like Hewitt vs Djokovic at the AO in 2012.

Kyle, you're fairly new to the board, so a little word in your ear. Forget arguing with MIMIC. As long as he feels the moon is made of green cheese, he will argue ad infinitum about it, not to mention ad nauseam. He starts an argument from the premise that come hell, high water, storm, tornado or earthquake, he should, must and will have the last word :)

Pipsy
03-27-2013, 05:56 AM
1. 1999 Haas was different than 2013 Haas because the former had a fully healthy shoulder. :p

2. It's not so much about era vs era (for me) as it is not seeing the guys like Haas get the credit they deserve for being amazing tennis players just because they didn't win as much as they should and could have, large in part due to Federer.

As Groove said, all eras are strong and if you're good, you're good, no matter what time period you are in.

Quite right! I'm not disputing those things. What I'm trying to get at is that lots of people say "oh look the 35-year-old Haas beat Djokovic = weak era" rather than looking at the match and reasoning that, while Djokovic is a great champion of recent years, if Haas brings that kind of level to the match, Djokovic needs to play his best tennis to beat him, regardless of the era of the players. Haas doesn't represent the early 2000s era. He just happened to play then as he does now and his past results against now-retired players is only one factor of many to consider when discussing today's outcome.

Kyle_Johansen
03-27-2013, 05:57 AM
lolwut

kidding of course. :)

The whole thing started because some morons said after Rafa won 3 Slams in 2010 (and after Nole's 2011) that Fed was lucky that he didn't have a player like that to deal with, and therefore his wins had asterisks because he beat nobodies to win. All I have ever done here, and in general, is point out how great and underrated those guys were who had the misfortune of playing against an all-powerful Federer. Doesn't mean I'm saying anything about superiority, just credit. You don't do what those guys did if you weren't worthy of being there. People like that (some Nadal and Djokovic fans) just look at the accomplishments or lack thereof and not the level of tennis they played. Roddick, Hewitt, Ferrero, Nalbandian, Davydenko, Haas, Ljubicic, Blake, Moya, Henman, Safin, and older Agassi were all great players in their own right even if the numbers aren't as great as the top legends of the game.

And I grew up watching those guys. My first favourite players were Roddick and Hewitt and the more I've watched them and their rivals at that time, I see just how good they were.

Unnecessary rant over.

heya
03-27-2013, 05:59 AM
Sounds like Fed fans were too busy drooling over him to
care that his old "rivals" were horrific all decade.

Who gets upset that Roddick, Hewitt, Davydenko, Ljubicic,
Blake,
etc. were weaker than today's top 4 players?
They were lucky to earn all the money & love they received because
not enough people became tennis players & no one else was great
in the 2002-6 years.

Yolita
03-27-2013, 05:59 AM
Many might say Djokovic was bad, i disagree, he was not good but he wasn't bad as well. Djokovic strategy was wait for errors, specially in the first set, but Haas was too solid for that. Haas just played superb tennis.

Did you watch the match at all? Novak went to the net 14 or 15 times in the first set. He only won 4 or 5 of those points. :lol:

He wasn't waiting for errors: he kept going to the net, going for his shots and making a lot of unforced errors sending the ball out. He even double-faulted on BP!

The only part of your comment I agree with is that Haas played superb tennis. That's absolutely true. He played amazing tennis. From beginning to end.

Kyle_Johansen
03-27-2013, 06:01 AM
heya: always here to drop the standard of conversation.

Lugburz
03-27-2013, 06:02 AM
Nole played aggressively exactly how Tommy likes.

Novak was rushing too many times to the net, trying to shorten points, but whenever rallies started, Tommy was always in control offensively.

Yolita
03-27-2013, 06:03 AM
In before the shitstorm...

Great match! Congratulations to Haas and his fans. Tommy played very well, when he lost his break advantage in the second I thought Nole will run away with the match.

By the way, those of you who slam Nole for his character - the guy signed multiple autographs for the kids on his way out even though he lost. Not that many players would do that!

:)