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Paul McNamee thinks Miami should switch to clay courts.

StevoTG
03-23-2013, 09:06 PM
What do you think of the idea?

http://www.tennisworldusa.org/Paul-McNamee-says-Miami-event-should-switch-to-clay-courts-articolo9026.html

"Miami in my view has a slight challenge of identity. It can never be as big as the US Open (on a similar hardcourt surface in New York) and, as I said, has been somewhat imitated by Indian Wells. I see Miami as the 'Pan American Championships', played in the city which is the gateway from South to North America.
Indian Wells follows on from the hard court season, with an early major at the Australian Open, with other high points mainly in the Middle East, before everyone reassembles again in Indian Wells. For clay-court players, they now have a mini season in South America, big news this year because Rafa Nadal, after seven months out, chose to make his return to competitive play there.
I see Indian Wells being the grand finale to the first hard court season, and Miami being the grand opening of the major clay court season, which culminates of course at the French Open at Roland Garros. I'm not saying that Rafa in the end would have played Miami this week, as his body obviously deserves a break, but I suspect a clay-court Miami would see his juices flow a little more, and have made his decision on the weekend to pull out just that little bit harder.
This would position Miami as a pre-eminent event embracing the entire American continent. It would inspire the Hispanic community in that great city, provide a point of difference to Indian Wells and the US Open and, this time, if a major is looking over its shoulder, it will not be the Australian Open"

Topspindoctor
03-23-2013, 09:07 PM
Good idea


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tennisfan856
03-23-2013, 09:08 PM
you would need a longer break between the two or pros will complain that they can't adjust to the clay that fast.

Time Violation
03-23-2013, 09:09 PM
There was something similar on tennis com few days ago

StevoTG
03-23-2013, 09:10 PM
you would need a longer break between the two or pros will complain that they can't adjust to the clay that fast.

Could possibly play Houston this week, Miami next week, then DC before the European clay swing.. I think that fits the current calendar but I'm not certain.

emotion
03-23-2013, 09:15 PM
No, I don't think so. There are enough clay Masters for a single Slam. And no time to adjust after Indian Wells.

Changing a surface to get one player is always a bad idea. And we do not need more slow big events

Orka_n
03-23-2013, 09:17 PM
Clownish suggestion.

Why don't they make the surface fast HC instead. That if anything would give Miami a unique identity.

simplet
03-23-2013, 09:25 PM
You just have to laugh at that last sentence, like they're going to switch to clay and after a couple of years suddenly the ATP will just relocate RG to freaking Miami. That makes so much sense.

I don't see anything close to a good argument here. The main point is that it makes it harder for Nadal to skip the tournament, even though he'll do it anyway? Really compelling.

janko05
03-23-2013, 09:26 PM
approved

SheepleBuster
03-23-2013, 09:31 PM
Blue Clay? Yes. Another Rafa masters? No

Nathaliia
03-23-2013, 09:58 PM
Why don't they make the surface fast HC instead. That if anything would give Miami a unique identity.
my thoughts exactly :lol:

this one is slower than clay already

Time Violation
03-23-2013, 10:02 PM
my thoughts exactly :lol:

this one is slower than clay already

They have a huge South American following there and they are trying to be some kind of "Americas slam" if I understood correctly. Making it very fast would be quite the opposite of that direction :)

fluffyyelloballz
03-23-2013, 10:11 PM
Miami was bigger than Indian Wells for a long time, until I think maybe five or six years ago. I think it suffers now coming after Indian Wells. If anything, they should move it to maybe after Wimbledon as the first hard court lead in to the US Open.

The only way it makes sense to have it as clay is geographically as it is in the US like IW. But the tournament would be a mess with the main contenders not having time to practise which might spring some interesting results, actually.

I think changing it to Clay so Nadal plays is the most ridiculous thing I have heard in Tennis recently.

motorhead
03-23-2013, 10:13 PM
Miami is already played on clay

samanosuke
03-23-2013, 10:14 PM
good proposition. would speed up the play a bit

nolesfan2011
03-23-2013, 10:16 PM
clay is really a bad idea, there is already enough clay masters and clay events in general.. and it still doesn't fix the calendar and fatigue issues

Brick Top
03-23-2013, 10:26 PM
Must be a dulltard

Dougie
03-23-2013, 10:29 PM
clay is really a bad idea, there is already enough clay masters and clay events in general.. and it still doesn't fix the calendar and fatigue issues

Actually, what I don´t see is the point in having two back to back hc masters events just before the clay season. I like it that McNamee is thinking outside the box, but it will never happen.

Mahqz
03-23-2013, 10:29 PM
HarTru please!

Rick Rude
03-23-2013, 10:43 PM
HarTru please!

+1

I've thought this for years..........make it happen!

The Prince
03-23-2013, 10:51 PM
Great idea. If they don't want to change the speed of the surface, at least change the actual surface to one that is more ideal for slow play.

Indian Wells should be clay, too, unless they speed it up to make it play like a more traditional hard-court.

fluffyyelloballz
03-23-2013, 11:06 PM
Why not just make the whole tennis season on clay?

BackhandDTL
03-23-2013, 11:18 PM
I like the idea so long as it's done retrospectively, so Roddick and Murray will both have won Masters on clay. :yeah:

Honestly
03-23-2013, 11:21 PM
It is already clay courts. It should switch to fast indoor hard.

miura88
03-23-2013, 11:29 PM
Move IW and Miami after French Open, make them both grass and get the clay season started in March.

BackhandDTL
03-23-2013, 11:38 PM
Move IW and Miami after French Open, make them both grass and get the clay season started in March.

Other than travel issues, which the players already endure, I think this is a fantastic idea.

nolesfan2011
03-23-2013, 11:38 PM
Move IW and Miami after French Open, make them both grass and get the clay season started in March.


too expensive to overhaul if you ask me.. they are better off making Halle or Queens club a masters instead given they already have the surface and the details worked out (maybe would just need to expand seating and such, and in return they could strip Paris of its masters title given that everyone is tired of tennis that late in the season and the tournament is harmed by withdraws and tanking ).

I really don't see much of a way around the calendar issue, unless they get rid of an indoors week and instead move IW back... then make Dallas challenger-2 a 250 inbetween IW and Miami (extra week off for top guys while everyone else can play that outdoor hard 250).

I just hate making a rush towards clay that will unbalance the calendar between hard court ranking points and clay court rankings points.

Otherwise you will get a bunch of good, aggressive players, ranked outside the top 60, and a bunch of not very good, but grinding clay court players, inside the top 60.

nolesfan2011
03-23-2013, 11:42 PM
It is already clay courts. It should switch to fast indoor hard.

I agree, Miami is hot anyway.. but at least make the outdoor surface faster

Timariot
03-24-2013, 12:03 AM
HarTru please!

Yes! It's a good idea, but only if they put it on green clay. There are enough red clay MS tournaments already, and green clay is somewhat faster than red clay.

beotiger
03-24-2013, 12:17 AM
What do you think of the idea?

http://www.tennisworldusa.org/Paul-McNamee-says-Miami-event-should-switch-to-clay-courts-articolo9026.html


While Toni read this to Rafa, Rafa sat down, and rubbed one out.

swisht4u
03-24-2013, 12:39 AM
Clay is boring and the clay season is too long as it is.

Topspindoctor
03-24-2013, 12:54 AM
Clay is boring and the clay season is too long as it is.

Clown post.

Clay season = 3 masters. HC = 6 masters. If anything they should cancel one of HC masters and introduce grass masters :wavey:


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swisht4u
03-24-2013, 01:03 AM
Clown post.

Clay season = 3 masters. HC = 6 masters. If anything they should cancel one of HC masters and introduce grass masters :wavey:


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Grass masters I like but the timing is bad.

A very fast HC is good.

Turn Monte Carlo into fast hard too. :wavey:

Honestly
03-24-2013, 01:08 AM
Miami is the worst MS. This year even worse with no Fedal. They better get their shit together fast.

Honestly
03-24-2013, 01:09 AM
Grass masters I like but the timing is bad.

A very fast HC is good.

Turn Monte Carlo into fast hard too. :wavey:

:lol: Trollbot seething with anger right now.

nole_no1
03-24-2013, 01:11 AM
I though Miami already is a claycourt tournament :confused: I'm confused


If anything they should cancel one of HC masters and introduce grass masters :wavey:


Definetly this

redshift36188
03-24-2013, 01:36 AM
Great idea and as someone said, please make it blue. About the surface transition argument, there is no break between RG and Queen's/Halle either, and Grass is the hardest to adapt to.


Clay is boring and the clay season is too long as it is.
No and no. Clay season is pretty short actually; Golden Swing doesn't really count as most top players don't go there so it's just April and May.

Kyle_Johansen
03-24-2013, 02:27 AM
This ain't happening. Miami wants there to be a chance that an American can do well.

Johnny Groove
03-24-2013, 03:03 AM
Green clay would be awesome. Most of the events I play down here are mostly green clay, and all of the Florida Futures, like 10 of them every year, all are on green clay.

I've been thinking of it for a few years, really, IW can end the first hard court season, and Miami on green clay, to ease the transition. And trust me, green clay is faster than a lot of hard courts, especially that Miami purple.

redshift36188
03-24-2013, 03:22 AM
Yeh, I've seen Charleston and it's quick enough. That green colour though is a bit dull.

Kyle_Johansen
03-24-2013, 03:39 AM
Green clay would be awesome. Most of the events I play down here are mostly green clay, and all of the Florida Futures, like 10 of them every year, all are on green clay.

I've been thinking of it for a few years, really, IW can end the first hard court season, and Miami on green clay, to ease the transition. And trust me, green clay is faster than a lot of hard courts, especially that Miami purple.

I like that idea a lot.

Johnny Groove
03-24-2013, 03:41 AM
I like that idea a lot.

:yeah:

http://www2.cybergolf.com/sites/images/987/Har-Tru-Tennis-Courts-in-Bonita-Springs-FL.jpg

Dark Knight
03-24-2013, 03:58 AM
Green clay would be awesome. Most of the events I play down here are mostly green clay, and all of the Florida Futures, like 10 of them every year, all are on green clay.

I've been thinking of it for a few years, really, IW can end the first hard court season, and Miami on green clay, to ease the transition. And trust me, green clay is faster than a lot of hard courts, especially that Miami purple.

That would be great. :)

Kyle_Johansen
03-24-2013, 04:06 AM
Besides, green clay looks pretty.

tennisfan856
03-24-2013, 04:06 AM
This ain't happening. Miami wants there to be a chance that an American can do well.

Miami is only an American tournament in disguise.

Topspindoctor
03-24-2013, 04:12 AM
This ain't happening. Miami wants there to be a chance that an American can do well.

Lol, if that were the case, it would be fast, since all yanks are ball bashers / serve bots.

Johnny Groove
03-24-2013, 04:16 AM
Miami is only an American tournament in disguise.

Oh yeah. South American players routinely get more support when they play Americans. Monaco more than Roddick just last year.

rocketassist
03-24-2013, 04:17 AM
Maybe if the US changed their academy courts to clay, they'd start producing better overall players. Clay's the best surface to learn the game on, how to construct points and learn the intangibles.

All of the current GS champions at the top of the game grew up and honed their skills on clay courts.

Kat_YYZ
03-24-2013, 04:20 AM
This could only work if the French Open could be dragged back to start 2 weeks earlier. Then with Wimbledon scheduled to start a week later in 2015, we could have an actual grass season.

Then one of the other clay Masters could be converted to grass and played in June. Madrid would probably be the best one, as Tiriac fancies himself as some sort of trendsetter and isn't afraid to experiment with surfaces.

Linking this to the South American clay swing and Nadal, coupled with the fact that IW and Miami are played back to back, makes me think that many players would play either IW or Miami, but not both. This obviously doesn't fit with the ATP's idea of mandatory tournaments, so I guess that would have to be adjusted. This would be the only way to start the clay season earlier (and open up a spot for a grass season), since it's still winter in Europe so you can't just move existing events to be played earlier.

Kyle_Johansen
03-24-2013, 04:21 AM
Lol, if that were the case, it would be fast, since all yanks are ball bashers / serve bots.

Roddick won Miami in 2010. Isner made the final last year in IW. Fish made IW final in 08. Slow seems to be working well enough in recent years for IW and Miami for Americans.

Imperfect Angel
03-24-2013, 05:04 AM
Definitely pro-Nadal.

Alex999
03-24-2013, 06:04 AM
This uncle Toni is getting too powerful nowadays. hmm. do you think MR. Tio can somehow become the next president of the United states plus Canadian Prime Minister, maybe even the Queen herself :eek:?. I believe he could ;).

swisht4u
03-24-2013, 06:36 AM
Sounds good to take one hard and one clay, turn those into grass.
Let it be fast grass at one of them.

sammy01
03-24-2013, 09:05 AM
For me they just need to put a week between IW and Miami. IW/random US 500/Miami

Sombrerero loco
03-24-2013, 09:42 AM
blue clay :hearts:

Priam
03-24-2013, 09:54 AM
If they do that, concessions will likely have to be made (i.e. MC being non-masters). Don't see it happening really. It's slow enough as it is.

GSMnadal
03-24-2013, 10:28 AM
I like the idea, but Indian Wells would become more useless than it is already. All those clay tournaments with a hardcourt masters out of nowhere

Jverweij
03-24-2013, 12:22 PM
yeah more clay courts that's what we need....

why not balance out the masters series so they consist of 3 HC, 3 clay, and 3 GRASS tournaments. If you have 9 masters and 3 courtsurfaces, it's just so logical.

the year end masters can then alternate between surfaces, so specialists (like Nadal for example) will get their shot aswell.

Roy Emerson
03-24-2013, 06:28 PM
No way.

Noleta
03-24-2013, 06:37 PM
No thanks.

GSMnadal
03-24-2013, 06:38 PM
yeah more clay courts that's what we need....

why not balance out the masters series so they consist of 3 HC, 3 clay, and 3 GRASS tournaments. If you have 9 masters and 3 courtsurfaces, it's just so logical.

the year end masters can then alternate between surfaces, so specialists (like Nadal for example) will get their shot aswell.

Let's start with having one grass masters, before asking for 3

star
03-24-2013, 07:00 PM
I'm all for the idea. :yeah: The more clay court tournaments, the better. Better tennis, imo. Plus, it extends the clay court season as it should be. Way too few Masters events on clay right now. Also, it gives more of a chance for the South Americans to excel at Miami and that gets the crowd into it.

Timot
03-24-2013, 07:07 PM
Bad idea. If anything we need another grass court. There's already more than enough slow courts.

MTwEeZi
03-24-2013, 07:27 PM
:haha: at the clowns bitching about this brilliant suggestion.

Aren't you mugs the ones moaning about slow courts?

Clay these days is faster than Miami HC.

And it's better for the motherfucking knees. :mad:

GSMnadal
03-24-2013, 07:37 PM
The greatest thing would be ditching Miami all together and instead having a clay masters in south america. USA has far too many tournaments so far, and it would spice up the South American clay court swing.

MrPlateperson
03-24-2013, 07:44 PM
Good idea. I always thought the point of masters 1000s was to prepare you for the slams. IW and Miami dont do that currently

misty1
03-24-2013, 07:47 PM
oh yeah lets add another clay court event to the tour:rolleyes:

if anything they should be looking at ways to get more grass court events in

Topspindoctor
03-24-2013, 07:50 PM
The greatest thing would be ditching Miami all together and instead having a clay masters in south america. USA has far too many tournaments so far, and it would spice up the South American clay court swing.

They better start paying good prize money then.

August
03-24-2013, 07:55 PM
Har-Tru, please

August
03-24-2013, 08:18 PM
yeah more clay courts that's what we need....

why not balance out the masters series so they consist of 3 HC, 3 clay, and 3 GRASS tournaments. If you have 9 masters and 3 courtsurfaces, it's just so logical.

the year end masters can then alternate between surfaces, so specialists (like Nadal for example) will get their shot aswell.

I disagree about rotating WTF surface. Indoors deserve to have one big event and WTF is that. One-surface specialists don't need to get a shot for WTF, or otherwise they should rate surfaces in slams, e.g. indoor carpet at RG to give offensive players a good chance for a RG title.

Now I make an assumption that we have '90s surfaces (to which tennis should return IMO). That means clay is slow, outdoor HC medium-paced, and grass & indoors are fast. As we have two 2000-point slams on outdoor HC, one on grass and clay, and 1500-point WTF indoors, the total amount of points from those is 9500. So, you can get 21% of points from slow surfaces, 42% from medium-paced surfaces, and 37% from fast surfaces. So, if anything, we'd need less medium-paced, i.e. hardcourt, M1000s. If the eight mandatory M1000s would be distributed so that 4 would be on clay, two on outdoor HC, one on grass, and one indoors, then we'd get about 1/3 of points from mandatory events from slow, medium-paced, and fast surfaces, plus about half of the points would come from HCs and natural surfaces.

But, I want to highlight that that is based on an assumption that surfaces play like in the '90s. Right now, what tennis would need the most would be a properly fast mandatory event. Even then the season would favour slow-court players but at least not that much.

Crisstti
03-24-2013, 09:34 PM
Have to love people saying there are enough clay events. What there are enough of are hard court events.

There definitely should be a masters in South America.

Looner
03-24-2013, 09:35 PM
There are plenty of clay events. And I need a spray for posters with Nadull's mug for their avatar. Where were you a month ago, sweeties (GSMN, you don't count)?

TigerTim
03-24-2013, 09:40 PM
Clownish suggestion.

Why don't they make the surface fast HC instead. That if anything would give Miami a unique identity.

yep

born_on_clay
03-24-2013, 09:57 PM
By MTF standards it's already clay tournament. Why not making it real clay ? :shrug:

Good idea :yeah: The more natural surfaces the better !

lidal
03-24-2013, 10:02 PM
Yep. And RG should switch to grass ;):devil:

Must be a dulltard

+1

Guest12315544
03-24-2013, 10:04 PM
I just think the U.S. needs more clay courts anywhere! We will never have players that do well on clay courts, if there are none around! But for that matter we don't have many players these days that even do all that well playing on Hard Courts anymore :sad:

acionescu
03-25-2013, 01:04 PM
Move IW and Miami after French Open, make them both grass and get the clay season started in March.

Did you check the weather in Europe this March? :hug:

Jverweij
03-25-2013, 01:14 PM
Let's start with having one grass masters, before asking for 3

aim for the stars :)

Dougie
03-25-2013, 01:23 PM
The greatest thing would be ditching Miami all together and instead having a clay masters in south america. USA has far too many tournaments so far, and it would spice up the South American clay court swing.

Have to love people saying there are enough clay events. What there are enough of are hard court events.

There definitely should be a masters in South America.

I agree that SA would deserve a masters-event, but it´s really difficult to fit one in the schedule. The SA clay swing is not part of the actual clay season. As we all know, it is played simultaneously with European indoor events and North-American hard court events. Having a SA clay-masters would be very bad for european and north-american tournaments.

Kiedis
03-25-2013, 01:23 PM
Maybe if the US changed their academy courts to clay, they'd start producing better overall players. Clay's the best surface to learn the game on, how to construct points and learn the intangibles.

All of the current GS champions at the top of the game grew up and honed their skills on clay courts.

Finally a decent post from you :clap2:

moon language
03-25-2013, 02:42 PM
It would be nice if there was a US tournament on real red clay.

Johnny Groove
03-25-2013, 03:16 PM
Yes, a lot of academies are primarily on hard courts. Sure they have a few token green clay courts, but mostly hard courts. Cost-effective of course, but it hurts the development of our players.

Not every surface can be serve, return, FH winner, 15-0 :shrug:

Sauletekis
03-25-2013, 04:50 PM
The Tour definetly needs more of natural surfaces and less of knee killers HC.

Rick Rude
03-27-2013, 12:36 AM
Looking at this thread (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=168265), something just occurred to me.

Why doesn't the USTA do something radical? In other words, instead of changing Miami to clay, they should change all their July/August tournaments, AND the US Open to Har-Tru.

@Sweet Cleopatra
03-29-2013, 09:37 PM
Good move, US needs a major Clay tourney...
What do you think?

JurajCrane
03-29-2013, 09:40 PM
If it is true, nothing changes basically. It could be fast green clay, but what tennis really need is more grass tournaments, not clay ones.

ProdigyEng
03-29-2013, 09:40 PM
Bad move, US needs less tourney's, not moves to Clay....

hipolymer
03-29-2013, 09:41 PM
Indian Wells and Miami are currently slower than Madrid of last year

@Sweet Cleopatra
03-29-2013, 09:44 PM
Indian Wells and Miami are currently slower than Madrid of last year

The blue tourney?
I remember it was slippery, have they fixed it?

Brick Top
03-29-2013, 09:45 PM
Good move, US needs a major Clay tourney...
What do you think?

I think you should move to Dull chat.

August
03-29-2013, 09:45 PM
If that happens, hopefully it will be on clay. But, if IW and Miami are played on different surfaces, I guess players require at least two weeks between them: one to get a prep event and another to avoid five consecutive weeks of play, which may be difficult with current schedule. They should then make space to calendar by scrapping Mickey Carlo then, which would be completely OK as there would be three mandatory clay M1000s.

mseles1
03-29-2013, 09:51 PM
Scrapping MC - No way, there are few tournaments with more history and none with a better location. Six hc masters okay, four clay masters - out of the question?

Miami should either precede IW & stay a hc event or switch to red/green clay. IW has completely stole it's thunder.

Moozza
03-29-2013, 09:53 PM
Is there not enough clay masters?

Redaftw
03-29-2013, 09:55 PM
would be good news clay is faster than this surface.

Har-Tru
03-29-2013, 09:56 PM
MS1000 on Har-Tru fuck yeah!

Pusha T
03-29-2013, 09:56 PM
What do you mean turning?

ProdigyEng
03-29-2013, 10:00 PM
LOL @sweetcleopatra neg repped me telling me to grow up because of my post... I was actually being serious, US does need less events.

Pirata.
03-29-2013, 10:22 PM
I think you should move to Dull chat.

Leave Sweet Cleo alone :armed:

Kat_YYZ
03-29-2013, 10:27 PM
Good move, US needs a major Clay tourney...
What do you think?

sure, why not? :shrug:
I already posted about it in another thread. Seems like more and more top players don't want to play Indian Wells and Miami back to back, and are going to skip one or the other. if some players will play indoor hard in February, they can play Indian wells & skip Miami. If other players play South American clay in February, they can skip IW and play clay in Miami.

nice to see you around, Sweet Cleo :wavey:

DJ Soup
03-29-2013, 10:29 PM
Make it blue clay

janko05
03-29-2013, 10:33 PM
Good move, US needs a major Clay tourney...
What do you think?

well Cleo, it's not nice to negrep people straight from the locker room :o

anyway it's nice to have you back in GM :yeah:

born_on_clay
03-29-2013, 11:05 PM
It would be great if true :yeah:

Brick Top
03-29-2013, 11:50 PM
Leave Sweet Cleo alone :armed:

Or what? :)

myrt
03-29-2013, 11:55 PM
We need at least one 1000 tournament on grass. Where do you think that could be scheduled?

PedroMarquess
03-29-2013, 11:57 PM
Or what? :)

Sweet cleo is a legend.

Good move, but where is that masters in grass?

Brick Top
03-30-2013, 12:02 AM
Sweet cleo is a legend.
MTF is indeed in weak era.

Mr. Oracle
03-30-2013, 01:15 AM
How amazing it would be to have a masters clay tourney on the north american continent. I know I've made fun of clay in the past, all in jest. Can't wait to watch Nadal eat his opponents like a hungry ogre and we should be able to see those cyclones of death here too!

Surcouf
03-30-2013, 01:19 AM
Where does the rumor come from?

Rick Rude
03-30-2013, 01:39 AM
Where does the rumor come from?

made up in her head tbf.............

Looner
03-30-2013, 01:40 AM
It will still remain a disgusting event but maybe piggy can actually win it now.

Chirag
03-30-2013, 01:41 AM
I cant find anything here so source please ?

Fed fordawin
03-30-2013, 01:42 AM
well Cleo, it's not nice to negrep people straight from the locker room :o

anyway it's nice to have you back in GM :yeah:

How's that?

MuzzahLovah
03-30-2013, 02:24 AM
Miami on clay, between the South American clay swing and the European Clay season would make a lot more sense than the way things currently are.

Chase Visa
03-30-2013, 02:36 AM
I'd be OK with green clay, but moving it to red clay is dumb given where Indian Wells in the calendar.

3DGNumberOneFan
03-30-2013, 02:49 AM
Make it blue clay

Purple*


Also Cleo do you have any source for this conjecture?

Roy Emerson
03-30-2013, 02:50 AM
:o

coolfish1103
03-30-2013, 03:04 AM
I like the suggestion in the Stuttgart thread, turn IW and Miami back to one week event and free up two weeks to put all the scattered clay events altogether from March to Roland Garros. We don't need a Green Clay event in Miami and Clay courters shouldn't have advantage to get tournaments everywhere from January to July.

3DGNumberOneFan
03-30-2013, 03:37 AM
A perfect schedule would be

Australian Open

Indian Wells (Hard)

Miami (Clay)

Monte Carlo (Clay)

Rome (Clay)

Roland Garros

Halle (Grass)

Wimbledon

New Location (Grass)

Montreal/Toronto (Hard)

Cinci (Hard)

Us Open

Paris (Indoor Hard)

World Tour Finals: (Alternating surface every year: Indoor Clay, Indoor Hard, Indoor Grass)

emotion
03-30-2013, 04:58 AM
It's been turning to clay for years, surely the transformation is nearly complete

MTwEeZi
03-30-2013, 05:54 AM
Who are the 17 mugs who would rather watch the permaban-crazed ACC squashers than the game itself?

Topspindoctor
03-30-2013, 06:02 AM
Miami turning into clay? Good for the sport. One more masters where 'Slamray' is absolutely helpless is great news in my book. Nadal to win Miami title in 2014 :rocker2:


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MIMIC
03-30-2013, 08:16 AM
Would be nice. Turn Miami into clay and turn one of the European clay Masters into hard.

But it would kinda mess the schedule up. I only suggest changing one of the European Masters because you would then have 4 clay Masters, which seems a bit much.

August
03-30-2013, 11:21 AM
Scrapping MC - No way, there are few tournaments with more history and none with a better location. Six hc masters okay, four clay masters - out of the question?

Neither Shanghai and Madrid has more history than the original TMS events Stockholm and Hamburg. Being non-mandatory has made MC a pathetic M1000 and I'd just downgrade it. Or even better would be MC taking Madrid's slot and Madrid would then be downgraded.

August
03-30-2013, 11:23 AM
We need at least one 1000 tournament on grass. Where do you think that could be scheduled?

Downgrade one of the existing clay M1000s and have a grass M1000 in Halle in the middle week of Wimby preparation. That way we could have all nine M1000 as mandatory.

Kiedis
03-30-2013, 11:31 AM
It is a subject already discussed recently here

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?p=14254378

Sri
03-30-2013, 11:33 AM
Makes no difference. Already plays slower than clay. This might actually make it faster. :o