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Federers 2013 season...

FedvsNole
09-18-2012, 10:34 PM
I truly feel this is and will be his last year to win slams outside of wimbledon.

1. Aussie open: may be his best chance ever. Rusty nadal or high on life mandy to play in the semis against fed.
- i actually don't think nadal will be able to take 6 mo off and come back and be in the semis that quickly. Would be fed's best chance to at least get to the final. He'll be the big big underdog against nole in the final. But the matches have been very tight 3 setters and 2011 was a against super djoker... so I'd love to see that final and who knows mandy may take djoker out in the semis here.
- MUST AVOID BERDSHIT IN QF

2. French: No chance

3. Wimbledon: Would love to see a fed-nadal indoor grass match.
-fed just needs to get to the semis and avoid a berdshit or clownga. If he's made it that far. He can break the all time record. The roof will get closed at some point in the semis and finals given the weather in london.

-MUST AVOID BERDSHIT IN QF

4. US open: Provided all 4 big guys play.
-the biggest fed obstacle super saturday will be gone and endurance will be thrown out the window. Would love a mandy or nadal vs fed in the us open final.

MUST AVOID BERDSHIT in QF

motorhead
09-18-2012, 10:39 PM
I'd prefer a combo Montecarlo-Rome over a slam :angel:

hipolymer
09-18-2012, 10:40 PM
AO 2013 is a very good chance for him. Nole will get motivated Nadull in the semis while Fedmug will get hung-over Mugray.

sexybeast
09-18-2012, 10:44 PM
Federer needs to take Wimbledon or Usopen, he got no great chanse in any other slam.

It would be too radical to say that he got no chanse in RG really, Nadal might not get back and I dont thrust Djokovic to always get to finals in that slam. If that is the case Federer is still nr3 in the world on clay.

Sanya
09-18-2012, 10:46 PM
No, man, it is vice versa. With years it would be harder for Fed to keep hardhitters on the distance. Where is it more difficult to do? Yes, on grass, hard.

I won`t be surprised to see his best results in next years on clay (depend a lot on his back and serve though, his groundstrokes will be the best on clay 146%, but maybe indoor he compansates it owing to easy points on serve). And this "no chance" for RG is correct only because of Nadal. Or maybe people were so impressed with Federer played bad this year? It`s irrelevant, he just didn`t boost his form and wasn`t in the best shape all in all after Madrid.

Take Rafa away and Clayerer is the man to beat at RG once again.

Certinfy
09-18-2012, 10:54 PM
Really hope Berdych gets Federer in the quarters of every GS and a mug draw leading up to the QF. Should be good.

TigerTim
09-18-2012, 10:57 PM
It's pretty clear Berdych is a troll from the ATP proving that Frauderer has benifited from easy draws since 2003 and that this is the only reason behind his success.

This is furher backed up by the fact that de facto head of ATP Tio Toni orders Berdych to become berdshit when facing Nadal.

nick the greek
09-18-2012, 11:02 PM
Hopefully he wins Wogie Open.Maybe even that is too much?Naaah, let him have that.

Albatoss
09-18-2012, 11:09 PM
I think Fed will win Wimbledon. He has a shot at the two hard court slams as well. I always think Nadal will take the French but if he isn't 100% or even playing by then, then maybe Fed could take that one as well. Fed is always a threat. Age ain't nothing but a number as they say.

saviopr
09-18-2012, 11:12 PM
USO is the worst chance to Federer win a major in 2013. There are many hard court specialists that difficult his life. Wimbledon and RG without a Nadal in the better conditions are the best chances.

End da Game
09-18-2012, 11:24 PM
why does he need to avoid berdshit in particular?

any big hitter who turns up will be a big threat, and not just to him as well, this applies to nadal, djokovic and murray

provided del potro gets over his mini-injury in the next few weeks, I can see him making an impact, probably knocking out federer as well if they meet in the quarters. This whole year has seen quite a few matches between them two, and its interesting how del potro has been getting closer and closer to defeating him with the olympic semi final and rolland garros being prime examples - compare this with their first meeting of the year way back in the australian open in january, the contrast is huge, in that match delpo was beaten very easily


tl:dr - berdshit is an inferior ballbasher compared to the mighty del GOATro

hipolymer
09-18-2012, 11:26 PM
USO is the worst chance to Federer win a major in 2013. There are many hard court specialists that difficult his life. Wimbledon and RG without a Nadal in the better conditions are the best chances.

Nadal will skip RG and Wimby? :confused:

Mark Lenders
09-18-2012, 11:31 PM
why does he need to avoid berdshit in particular?

any big hitter who turns up will be a big threat, and not just to him as well, this applies to nadal, djokovic and murray

provided del potro gets over his mini-injury in the next few weeks, I can see him making an impact, probably knocking out federer as well if they meet in the quarters. This whole year has seen quite a few matches between them two, and its interesting how del potro has been getting closer and closer to defeating him with the olympic semi final and rolland garros being prime examples - compare this with their first meeting of the year way back in the australian open in january, the contrast is huge, in that match delpo was beaten very easily


tl:dr - berdshit is an inferior ballbasher compared to the mighty del GOATro

Del Potro is better than Berdych (even while getting a new injury every other week, if he gets healthy the gulf will only enlarge), but Tomas is a much tougher matchup for Federer.

Tomas is clearly the man to avoid for Federer in QF; he can use the slice to great effect against Del Potro and exploit Tsonga's pathetic BH and ROS, with Tomas he has no glarring weakness he can exploit.

EliSter
09-18-2012, 11:32 PM
Lets this one ends first. :stupid: Before starting with 'Woggi 2013' threads. Olderer forum.

TigerTim
09-18-2012, 11:33 PM
Del Potro is better than Berdych (even while getting a new injury every other week, if he gets healthy the gulf will only enlarge), but Tomas is a much tougher matchup for Federer.

Tomas is clearly the man to avoid for Federer in QF; he can use the slice to great effect against Del Potro and exploit Tsonga's pathetic BH and ROS, with Tomas he has no glarring weakness he can exploit.

Rank stupidity is a weakness, no?

End da Game
09-18-2012, 11:34 PM
Nadal will skip RG and Wimby? :confused:

Rosol will skip RG and wimby? :confused:

Mark Lenders
09-18-2012, 11:35 PM
Rank stupidity is a weakness, no?

What do you mean? Tomas is ranked exactly where he should be. There's one player better than him behind in the rankings, but there's one worse than him ahead, so #6 is just correct.

TigerTim
09-18-2012, 11:39 PM
What do you mean? Tomas is ranked exactly where he should be. There's one player better than him behind in the rankings, but there's one worse than him ahead, so #6 is just correct.

Given Berdych's erratic nature, limited net play and unstable mentality 6# is probably the best he can hope for. He lacks the weapons to win major titles in today's game and reach the top 5. This is not a troll statement but the truth, as Djokovic and Murray proved, return and defence have become dominant. Berdych lacks both of these. The only man who can do otherwise it Federer. But he remains on a different level.

Mark Lenders
09-18-2012, 11:47 PM
Given Berdych's erratic nature, limited net play and unstable mentality 6# is probably the best he can hope for. He lacks the weapons to win major titles in today's game and reach the top 5. This is not a troll statement but the truth, as Djokovic and Murray proved, return and defence have become dominant. Berdych lacks both of these. The only man who can do otherwise it Federer. But he remains on a different level.

I agree with this, his ranking clearly reflects his level. He's doing very well considering the current conditions are not suited to the kind of game he plays at all; give him fast conditions and he'll be one of the men to beat while defense oriented players will naturally struggle. He doesn't lack return though, he's one of the best returners on tour: he lacks movement and defense (decent but not on the level today's game requires) and a viable alternative to baseline power hitting, which is needed because power hitting isn't very rewarded in today's courts.

As for Federer, he remains dominant because he's a complete player, he has the tools to succeed in any conditions.

TigerTim
09-18-2012, 11:49 PM
True.


Still shocked I actually made a reasonable post on GM :)

saviopr
09-18-2012, 11:54 PM
Nadal will skip RG and Wimby? :confused:

I just think Nadal may not be fit next year, so RG and SW19 would be the better chances to Roger.

Corey Feldman
09-19-2012, 12:18 AM
more dominating

more locking players heads on his mantelpiece

finishingmove
09-19-2012, 12:29 AM
i award him 0 slams

Corey Feldman
09-19-2012, 12:32 AM
imagine an 8th Wimbledon title

first man in history to win 8 times the worlds greatest tournament, that would be something

Sampras and Renshaw left in his dust.

Pirata.
09-19-2012, 01:08 AM
Really hope Berdych gets Federer in the quarters of every GS and a mug draw leading up to the QF. Should be good.

Berdych first has to actually reach the QFs of every GS.

nick the greek
09-19-2012, 01:21 AM
Rosol will skip RG and wimby? :confused:
Hopefully not and hopefully he'll draw Rafito at both RG and Wiby so that Clay Warrior can triple bagel him twice.

Mark Lenders
09-19-2012, 01:24 AM
Berdych first has to actually reach the QFs of every GS.

Here are stats for Berdych since AO 2010 according to the top 4 seed he draws in his quarter(2010 was his first year as a consistent top 10 player):

Del Potro's quarter - 1 time (AO 2010), lost R2.

Murray's quarter - 2 times. Once reached and beat Murray (RG 2010), the other one lost R1 to Llodra (USO 2010)

Djokovic's quarter - 4 times. Once reached and lost to Djokovic (A0 2011), the other three times lost early (R1 at FO 2011 and W 2012, R3 at USO 2011)

Nadal's quarter - 2 times. Once reached and lost to Nadal, the other time lost R4 (W 2011)

Federer's quarter - 3 times. Twice reached and beat Federer (W 2010 and USO 2012), once lost R4 to Del Potro.


It's clear that, for one reason or another, his performances are the best when he's drawn in Federer's quarter - two out of those three times, he reached Federer, beat him and made SF and F. Even in RG 2012, he was playing great tennis, only lost R4 because of a ranking aberration at the time that allowed him to draw a player of Delpo's caliber in R4, which will not happen next year.

silverarrows
09-19-2012, 01:37 AM
Roland Garros and Wimbledon are his best chances for next year.

End da Game
09-19-2012, 01:38 AM
Here are stats for Berdych since AO 2010 according to the top 4 seed he draws in his quarter(2010 was his first year as a consistent top 10 player):

Del Potro's quarter - 1 time (AO 2010), lost R2.

Murray's quarter - 2 times. Once reached and beat Murray (RG 2010), the other one lost R1 to Llodra (USO 2010)

Djokovic's quarter - 4 times. Once reached and lost to Djokovic (A0 2011), the other three times lost early (R1 at FO 2011 and W 2012, R3 at USO 2011)

Nadal's quarter - 2 times. Once reached and lost to Nadal, the other time lost R4 (W 2011)

Federer's quarter - 3 times. Twice reached and beat Federer (W 2010 and USO 2012), once lost R4 to Del Potro.


It's clear that, for one reason or another, his performances are the best when he's drawn in Federer's quarter - two out of those three times, he reached Federer, beat him and made SF and F. Even in RG 2012, he was playing great tennis, only lost R4 because of a ranking aberration at the time that allowed him to draw a player of Delpo's caliber in R4, which will not happen next year.

I actually didn't think he played that well against federer in the us open, it was more of a case of federer putting in a mug performance which would've probably cost him the match against any other half decent player, I was surprised it even went to 4 sets. Against murray he was slightly better, but was ultimately defeated by the wind.

hipolymer
09-19-2012, 01:46 AM
imagine an 8th Wimbledon title

first man in history to win 8 times the worlds greatest tournament, that would be something

Sampras and Renshaw left in his dust.

What's with the Nadal avi? Surely you can't be missing Nadal as well? ;)

star
09-19-2012, 01:52 AM
I truly feel this is and will be his last year to win slams outside of wimbledon.

1. Aussie open: may be his best chance ever. Rusty nadal or high on life mandy to play in the semis against fed.
- i actually don't think nadal will be able to take 6 mo off and come back and be in the semis that quickly. Would be fed's best chance to at least get to the final. He'll be the big big underdog against nole in the final. But the matches have been very tight 3 setters and 2011 was a against super djoker... so I'd love to see that final and who knows mandy may take djoker out in the semis here.
- MUST AVOID BERDSHIT IN QF

2. French: No chance

3. Wimbledon: Would love to see a fed-nadal indoor grass match.
-fed just needs to get to the semis and avoid a berdshit or clownga. If he's made it that far. He can break the all time record. The roof will get closed at some point in the semis and finals given the weather in london.

-MUST AVOID BERDSHIT IN QF

4. US open: Provided all 4 big guys play.
-the biggest fed obstacle super saturday will be gone and endurance will be thrown out the window. Would love a mandy or nadal vs fed in the us open final.

MUST AVOID BERDSHIT in QF

Never rule out a great champion. You may be right, but champions have a way of surprising us.

GOAT = Fed
09-19-2012, 01:53 AM
I don't know why many are underestimating 'gers chances at AO considering that this year he was playing very well and narrowly lost to Nadal in a great match. Last year he played Djokovic in a tight three setter and lost.

I definitely think he has a chance of winning AO if he carries his 2012 form.

Chirag
09-19-2012, 01:54 AM
I don't know why many are underestimating 'gers chances at AO considering that this year he was playing very well and narrowly lost to Nadal in a great match. Last year he played Djokovic in a tight three setter and lost.

I definitely think he has a chance of winning AO if he carries his 2012 form.

Umm he doesnt because its just impossible to hit winners on that court .Worst hard court by a mile :o

End da Game
09-19-2012, 02:03 AM
Umm he doesnt because its just impossible to hit winners on that court .Worst hard court by a mile :o

as opposed to the pushers' fest that the us open has become :rolleyes:

Chirag
09-19-2012, 02:06 AM
as opposed to the pushers' fest that the us open has become :rolleyes:

yes its worse .You saw that Nadal berdych match at the AO :rolleyes::rolleyes:

End da Game
09-19-2012, 02:23 AM
yes its worse .You saw that Nadal berdych match at the AO :rolleyes::rolleyes:

they're about the same to me

del potro was hitting 90+mph forehands and still seeing them return back to him by djokovic, and then theres that embarrassing pushing contest in the final :facepalm:

Mark Lenders
09-19-2012, 02:28 AM
they're about the same to me

del potro was hitting 90+mph forehands and still seeing them return back to him by djokovic, and then theres that embarrassing pushing contest in the final :facepalm:

I agree about the final being an embarrassment. I really hope these pushathons are not the future of tennis, but with the extreme slowing down of hardcourts it seems that it's only getting worse. Hardcourt slam matches featuring two of Nadal, Djokovic and Murray have become downright unwatchable - at least Nadal vs one of them brings some variety, Djokovic vs Murray matchup is like a mirror most times.

GOATsol
09-19-2012, 02:29 AM
Yup, the final was just awful.

BroTree123
09-19-2012, 02:32 AM
If Berdshit somehow slumps to 11th or lower (I doubt it), we could see him roasting Noserer before the QF :drool:

pepita1964
09-19-2012, 02:53 AM
Federer had a problem with his back when he played Berdych. There were a lot of comms
and some pictures that you can see a big bruise on his back. Those photos were taken
day before his QF when Federer did some practice with Cilic by his fan.There was a lot of discussions on his website. How Fed did hurt his back in this way no one knows.

GOATsol
09-19-2012, 02:55 AM
If Berdshit somehow slumps to 11th or lower (I doubt it), we could see him roasting Noserer before the QF :drool:
:lol:

Topspindoctor
09-19-2012, 06:46 AM
Noserer forum. He has no chance to win a slam next year. Lightning doesn't strike twice in one place.

Litotes
09-19-2012, 06:50 AM
Noserer forum. He has no chance to win a slam next year. Lightning doesn't strike twice in one place.

Sure it does:
http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/news-man-who-was-stuck-lightning-seven-times

ssj100
09-19-2012, 07:04 AM
Hilarious how people under-estimating Fakerer again. But to be honest, even I have to admit he's done winning slams. I predicted he had one more slam left in him ("most likely Wimbledon") when he got number 16. And I was right. As usual. Never have I been wrong. Never seen anyone quote me saying I was wrong. So easy. Topspinny.

Nadal to win all 4 slams next year. Seriously, too easy. Spinny.

shadows
09-19-2012, 07:43 AM
I dunno, I think I'm past putting time limits on Federer winning things. I've thought he was done too many times in the past already.

If he gets a good draw open up for him I think he's still going to be capable of taking advantage of it, and I wouldn't bet against him finding the magic for one match vs another of the top guys to grab a win.

duong
09-19-2012, 09:15 AM
I truly feel this is and will be his last year to win slams outside of wimbledon.

I already thought that in 2010 :lol:

But well, yes, since Arthur Ashe, only Agassi has won a slam at an older age than Fed did this year : if Fed did the same as Agassi, he would win the Australian open ... 2014 :lol:

I hope he won't be too tired by the exho trip in south America in december.

I don't think Fed is finished in hardcourt slams as some say although I think the Aus open fits too well Djoko, Nadal and Murray's style : I still think he's been better on hardcourts than on grass in his old days, and he was great in the US Open 2011 (extremely near from the final and near from the title imo) and in Cincy 2012, then I still think he will have his best chance in the US Open 2013 ... with no super-saturday !

duong
09-19-2012, 09:30 AM
4. US open: Provided all 4 big guys play.
-the biggest fed obstacle super saturday will be gone and endurance will be thrown out the window. Would love a mandy or nadal vs fed in the us open final.

MUST AVOID BERDSHIT in QF

Before this year, Berdych had never reached the QF in the US Open, he had lost regularly to not really good players, this year was special, he just got in form just before the US Open and that was it.

Besides, I hope Fed will find a way to serve differently at him and also play better than he did this year.

In Melbourne, Berdych can be very dangerous for Fed, yes.

Corey Feldman
09-19-2012, 11:17 AM
Noserer forum. He has no chance to win a slam next year. Lightning doesn't strike twice in one place.considering your brilliant predicting, i feel even better about 2013 now

JurajCrane
09-19-2012, 11:26 AM
AO 2013 is a very good chance for him. Nole will get motivated Nadull in the semis while Fedmug will get hung-over Mugray.

Yeah just like in US Open huh ? You were proclaiming Fed - Ferrer is a lock :facepalm: Get brain, buddy.

JurajCrane
09-19-2012, 11:28 AM
Every slam is about actual circumstances, we don´t know nothing so far.

But biggest chances are Australian Open and Wimbledon, though. It depends on good draw, really.

Looner
09-19-2012, 11:33 AM
Every slam is about actual circumstances, we don´t know nothing so far.

But biggest chances are Australian Open and Wimbledon, though. It depends on good draw, really.

I disagree. With the new sensible schedule at the USO from 2013, USO is a solid number two in terms of Fed's chances of snatching another GS.

JurajCrane
09-19-2012, 12:00 PM
I disagree. With the new sensible schedule at the USO from 2013, USO is a solid number two in terms of Fed's chances of snatching another GS.

I think Australia, because one main factor - Nadal could be little bit rusty there. If not, US Open is bigger chance, no doubt :)

chalkdust
09-19-2012, 12:08 PM
Rank stupidity is a weakness, no?

What do you mean? Tomas is ranked exactly where he should be. There's one player better than him behind in the rankings, but there's one worse than him ahead, so #6 is just correct.

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duong
09-19-2012, 12:29 PM
Who knows ? Fed may have a shit year in slams and qualified for the Davis cup semi after defeating the Czechs and Kazakhs and Austrians, which is no big deal, and then Davis cup may appear as the only way to "save" his year (yes, with the WTF but he has never won Davis cup) as it happened for many players in the past.

Matt01
09-19-2012, 01:07 PM
Given Berdych's erratic nature, limited net play and unstable mentality 6# is probably the best he can hope for. He lacks the weapons to win major titles in today's game and reach the top 5. This is not a troll statement but the truth, as Djokovic and Murray proved, return and defence have become dominant. Berdych lacks both of these.


Berdych's return was fine against Federer. His defense could be better but he's a ball basher who definitely doesn't lack "weapons". :wavey:


Umm he doesnt because its just impossible to hit winners on that court .Worst hard court by a mile :o


So when Fed doesn't win, it won't be his fault. It's because the surface is so bad :rolleyes:

Matt01
09-19-2012, 01:11 PM
4. US open: Provided all 4 big guys play.
-the biggest fed obstacle super saturday will be gone and endurance will be thrown out the window. Would love a mandy or nadal vs fed in the us open final.




And that is also too funny. So Fed's biggest obstacles at USO aren't his opponents (like Berdych or Djoker) but it is the Super Saturday. :superlol:

Looner
09-19-2012, 01:17 PM
If Fed were to win the DC with SUI, the last hope of Dulltards will be the Rio Olympics and Roger's taking that home on clay :cool:.

tyruk14
09-19-2012, 01:46 PM
If Nadal has a decent off-season of practice then I think he could be a genuine threat for the Australian Open; see 2009, where he'd spent the winter of 2008 resting up in Mallorca while the rest of the tour discombobulated itself on the hard indoor surfaces, only for the Spaniard to return fresh from the practice courts to take the first major of that new year. Furthermore, the hardcourts at Melbourne Park are too slow for this aged aspect of Federer; he won't do well there.

Wimbledon is a likely bet, but an ascendant Murray might finally stake his claim on the hallowed turf of SW19. I fully expect Almost-GOAT to secure at least one of the slams within the next eighteen months, however, and by doing so, secure his legacy at the top of the pile.

GSMnadal
09-19-2012, 02:25 PM
AO: No chance with Djokovic/Nadal around.
FO: No chance with Djokovic/Nadal around.
WI: Maybe, just maybe he can do it one more time. Highly doubtful.
USO: No chance with Djokovic/Nadal/Murray around.

Thunder Hoad
09-19-2012, 02:25 PM
He could use a soft draw to the SF like he got at Wimbledon. And then for the conditions to give him a fair shot at hitting through N/D/M. Or he'll need the post-Rosol world where those guys can go out in Rd. 2 to actually exist.

atennisfan
09-19-2012, 02:26 PM
Lightning doesn't strike twice in one place.

True.
With Roger, lightning strike 17 times.

Han Solo
09-19-2012, 03:33 PM
And that is also too funny. So Fed's biggest obstacles at USO aren't his opponents (like Berdych or Djoker) but it is the Super Saturday. :superlol:

No, you´re right. Federer is less likely to win majors now because his closest rivals have improved as he has declined somewhat. As of now, you would expect a fit Nadal to beat Federer in any major final (match up and mental problems), you would rate Federer´s chances as fifty fifty AT BEST against Djokovic in a major final (maybe greater chances at Wimbledon...), and with Murray, after Olympics and US Open, well...you would at least expect Murray to have a decent chance in a major final against Federer.

What counts in Federer´s favour is he can still move so well. Admittedly, he can´t perhaps sustain it over two weeks of seven five set matches. But I remember, in a rare moment of commentating brilliance, one of the US commentators said of Federer after another successful foray to the net in Wimbledon 2012 final: "This guy moves like water." If he can still move like water in a final next year, then he´s got a chance to get an eighteenth major. Wimbledon or US Open would be his best shots. But after 2013, surely he won´t be a threat at the majors...

Legendary Lopata
09-19-2012, 05:03 PM
AO - 4R or QF lost to Almagro or Wawrinka
FO - 3R-4R lost to Marco Chiidinelli
WIM- 1\4, his only chance to 1\2 or F - rain and another Indoor Wimbledon under roof.
USO - 3r lost to Sock or steve johnson

he can win Doha,Rotterdam or Stockholm and become "hardcourt Almagro" Gstaad (1st clay title from RG-2009) and maybe Basel

So, i guess, he will finish 2013 at 9-10 place and will retire.

duarte_a
09-19-2012, 05:04 PM
Federer had a problem with his back when he played Berdych. There were a lot of comms
and some pictures that you can see a big bruise on his back. Those photos were taken
day before his QF when Federer did some practice with Cilic by his fan.There was a lot of discussions on his website. How Fed did hurt his back in this way no one knows.

Can you post the pictures please.

finishingmove
09-19-2012, 05:04 PM
True.
With Roger, lightning strike 17 times.

Are you saying it was the biggest fluke in the history of mankind?

saviopr
09-19-2012, 05:13 PM
If Fed were to win the DC with SUI, the last hope of Dulltards will be the Rio Olympics and Roger's taking that home on clay :cool:.

Rio 2016 will have hard courts.

duong
09-19-2012, 05:27 PM
Rio 2016 will have hard courts.

how do you know that ? do you have a source ?

saviopr
09-19-2012, 05:39 PM
how do you know that ? do you have a source ?

The president of Brazilian Confederation of Tenis already said that, according some brazilian blogs. He said "They will be hard (the courts), according determination of COI and ITF"

Here a source, in portuguese: http://blogs.lancenet.com.br/tenis/2012/09/13/olimpiada-do-rio-sera-na-quadra-dura-wozniacki-e-stosur-no-wta-de-floripa/

Sanya
09-19-2012, 05:45 PM
It looks logical If you look at time in calendar - hard court season, big clay tournament during it would be weird. Though if Bellucci is going to improve it`s more likely to wait a great result on clay from him with strong support from crowd behind him.

duarte_a
09-19-2012, 06:23 PM
It looks logical If you look at time in calendar - hard court season, big clay tournament during it would be weird. Though if Bellucci is going to improve it`s more likely to wait a great result on clay from him with strong support from crowd behind him.

Exactely. Qoute from the article "Os jogos no piso duro vêm para atender tanto a demanda da época da Olimpíada que será iniciada no dia 5 de agosto e ficará no meio da série da América do Norte na superfície."

I'll translate it, The surface chosen was hardcourt due to the fact that the start date of the olympics, 5 August, is right in the middle of the north american series on the surface.

End da Game
09-19-2012, 07:36 PM
The president of Brazilian Confederation of Tenis already said that, according some brazilian blogs. He said "They will be hard (the courts), according determination of COI and ITF"

Here a source, in portuguese: http://blogs.lancenet.com.br/tenis/2012/09/13/olimpiada-do-rio-sera-na-quadra-dura-wozniacki-e-stosur-no-wta-de-floripa/

Makes sense, hard court is the most common surface and apart from the traditions of a few tournament traditions (in wimbledon, roland garros, etc) it is used for every event. Its almost become the 'default' surface for tennis. As well as that, every olympics has been on hard courts - although not this year obviously but thats only because the olympics was in london so wimbledon was always going to be used.

Why the hell was the rio games even speculated to be on clay? Seems a bit random to me :confused:

The Prince
09-19-2012, 07:40 PM
I struggle to see what he's got left.

(In the slams.)

hipolymer
09-19-2012, 08:12 PM
Are you saying it was the biggest fluke in the history of mankind?

Roger winning 17 slams is a bigger fluke than the universe forming from the big bang.

Litotes
09-19-2012, 08:13 PM
Makes sense, hard court is the most common surface and apart from the traditions of a few tournament traditions (in wimbledon, roland garros, etc) it is used for every event. Its almost become the 'default' surface for tennis. As well as that, every olympics has been on hard courts - although not this year obviously but thats only because the olympics was in london so wimbledon was always going to be used.

Why the hell was the rio games even speculated to be on clay? Seems a bit random to me :confused:

Barcelona 1992 was on clay.

Litotes
09-19-2012, 08:14 PM
Roger winning 17 slams is a bigger fluke than the universe forming from the big bang.

You're too outlandish to be either funny or interesting.

hipolymer
09-19-2012, 08:19 PM
You're too outlandish to be either funny or interesting.

Ok I'll tone it down a little. Roger winning 17 slams is a bigger fluke than life forming on Earth. Good?

Gagsquet
09-19-2012, 08:22 PM
Even Federer's fans don't deny the part luck in Roger palmares. The Bradbury of tennis.

End da Game
09-19-2012, 08:41 PM
Barcelona 1992 was on clay.

it was in spain though, they have a tradition on clay so its not a surprise at all that they should go for that surface, and they probably already had clay courts/stadiums way before they even decided to bid for the games, so like in london and wimbledon it would've been pointless to splash out money on a whole new set of tennis courts as there are established ones that already exist in the same city

whereas brazil (just like china) have never had a history of tennis, so hard courts has to be the obvious choice

Gagsquet
09-19-2012, 08:46 PM
it was in spain though, they have a tradition on clay so its not a surprise at all that they should go for that surface, and they probably already had clay courts/stadiums way before they even decided to bid for the games, so like in london and wimbledon it would've been pointless to splash out money on a whole new set of tennis courts as there are established ones that already exist in the same city

whereas brazil (just like china) have never had a history of tennis, so hard courts has to be the obvious choice

DAT username http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS6baaUarjsC-3HnE4zcZZfvAYm7JQMSZ34nF-NHBM8xCAPQJt_9fgSvw

TigerTim
09-19-2012, 08:48 PM
it was in spain though, they have a tradition on clay so its not a surprise at all that they should go for that surface, and they probably already had clay courts/stadiums way before they even decided to bid for the games, so like in london and wimbledon it would've been pointless to splash out money on a whole new set of tennis courts as there are established ones that already exist in the same city

whereas brazil (just like china) have never had a history of tennis, so hard courts has to be the obvious choice

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just sayin'

End da Game
09-19-2012, 09:18 PM
DVDCw1C_zCs&

just sayin'

whats that video got to do with anything in my post? :confused:

rocketassist
09-19-2012, 09:21 PM
whats that video got to do with anything in my post? :confused:

Cause Brazil has some history with tennis. Not heard of Maria Bueno either? Fernando Meligeni? Jamie Oncins?

TigerTim
09-19-2012, 09:29 PM
Cause Brazil has some history with tennis. Not heard of Maria Bueno either? Fernando Meligeni? Jamie Oncins?

exactly. Gustavo Kuerten was a famous clay courter who won Roland Garros 3 times (1997, 2000, 2001)

not bad eh?

End da Game
09-19-2012, 09:36 PM
ohhhhh I see, never heard of him though


but anyway, brazil's never played host to a major tennis tounament, nor has does it have a grand slam or a significant-ish non slam event unlike countries like UK, US and spain, so they probably don't already have existing world class courts where olympic tennis could conveniently be played at without a need to build new courts and stadiums

Looner
09-19-2012, 09:37 PM
ohhhhh I see, never heard of him though



:smash: He was a great claycourter. Still, Rogie bagelled him :D.

nick the greek
09-19-2012, 09:40 PM
ohhhhh I see, never heard of him though


but anyway, brazil's never played host to a major tennis tounament, nor has does it have a grand slam or a significant-ish non slam event unlike countries like UK, US and spain, so they probably don't already have existing world class courts where olympic tennis could conveniently be played at without a need to build new courts and stadiums
Whose double account are you?

Mark Lenders
09-19-2012, 09:42 PM
:smash: He was a great claycourter. Still, Rogie bagelled him :D.

He might also have cost Federer his best and only chance at the CYGS. Had he beaten Guga in RG 2004, he'd have had Lopez, Nalbandian, Gaudio and Coria en route to a possible title. Only Nalbandian could really stop him and even then Federer would be the clear favorite; Coria was great on clay, but a choker of Ferrerian proportions, not to mention he was a great matchup for Federer; same for Gaudio actually - great player on clay, but a tremendous choker and a great matchup for Federer.

Sanya
09-19-2012, 09:43 PM
ohhhhh I see, never heard of him though


but anyway, brazil's never played host to a major tennis tounament, nor has does it have a grand slam or a significant-ish non slam event unlike countries like UK, US and spain, so they probably don't already have existing world class courts where olympic tennis could conveniently be played at without a need to build new courts and stadiums

:o:rolleyes:

BigJohn
09-19-2012, 09:56 PM
AO: No chance with Djokovic/Nadal around.

USO: No chance with Djokovic/Nadal/Murray around.

Cool story bro. If you could just remind me of when it was that Nadal last won a title on hard court...

EliSter
09-19-2012, 10:06 PM
Cool story bro. If you could just remind me of when it was that Nadal last won a title on hard court...

WHen was the last time Olderer beat Nadal in GS? When was the last time Olderer beat Nadal and Nole at same GS :confused:

TigerTim
09-19-2012, 10:16 PM
I recall Guga routining Fedmug 64 64 64 at Roland Garros.

atennisfan
09-19-2012, 11:31 PM
Are you saying it was the biggest fluke in the history of mankind?

According to nadulltards and djokertards, yes.

End da Game
09-19-2012, 11:40 PM
Whose double account are you?

no one, this is my 1st account after being a lurker here for a few months, why does everyone assume this is a double account or that I'm a banned user? :confused:

BigJohn
09-19-2012, 11:44 PM
no one, this is my 1st account after being a lurker here for a few months, why does everyone assume this is a double account or that I'm a banned user? :confused:

You cannot be unaware that there is a certain notoriety associated with who your username channels.....

BigJohn
09-19-2012, 11:57 PM
WHen was the last time Olderer beat Nadal in GS? When was the last time Olderer beat Nadal and Nole at same GS :confused:

Wow... an H2Htard (aka a Fedhater/false tennis fan). Good post showcasing again the unrivaled depth of your moronity.

Federer has won titles on grass, clay and HC this year. Nadal has not won anything off clay in 2 years. To say that Nadal could be a bigger factor in HC slams than Federer is rather idiotic. That is what I was referring to, and your post has no answer to that.

Now Nole... Nole who lost to Fed on grass and on HC this very year. Nole lost to Fed during the Nole fluke peak 2011 anomaly. Nole got bagelled by Fed just a few weeks ago... Sure, beating Nole is simply out of reach for Federer :rolleyes:

I think you are a lot more than confused... :)

Topspindoctor
09-20-2012, 12:05 AM
Are you saying it was the biggest fluke in the history of mankind?

Noserer winning RG? Certainly. The Crybaby would never ever get close to RG title if Nadal wasn't injured. Noserer got a nervous first time GS final player who shit his pants instead of someone who destroyed him 1-3-0 the previous year. Huge difference. Love how Noserertards still think that RG is legit :superlol:

TigerTim
09-20-2012, 12:07 AM
Mug post removed

Btw mods if this is true, why just drug taking and not the other host of stuff that Nadal is accused of on MTF :facepalm:

Topspindoctor
09-20-2012, 12:11 AM
agreed. It's like Nadal and Wimbledon/USO. Both complete flukes that were only achieved through a combination of draw rigging, drug taking and disgusting sabotage attempts.

Accusing players of doping without proof is not allowed here. Of course the mods will let it slip, because it's Nadal you're accusing. If I made the same statement about Noserer, I would be instantly banned for a month at least :o

rocketassist
09-20-2012, 12:13 AM
Noserer winning RG? Certainly. The Crybaby would never ever get close to RG title if Nadal wasn't injured. Noserer got a nervous first time GS final player who shit his pants instead of someone who destroyed him 1-3-0 the previous year. Huge difference. Love how Noserertards still think that RG is legit :superlol:

All slam wins are legit, no matter how many had elements of fortune in them.

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
09-20-2012, 12:16 AM
indoors wimbledon

federer vs 2008 form nadal

bring.it.on

TigerTim
09-20-2012, 12:36 AM
Accusing players of doping without proof is not allowed here. Of course the mods will let it slip, because it's Nadal you're accusing. If I made the same statement about Noserer, I would be instantly banned for a month at least :o

I didnt realise :eek: and if so I retract my statement :facepalm:

End da Game
09-20-2012, 12:48 AM
You cannot be unaware that there is a certain notoriety associated with who your username channels.....

:eek:

















:cool:

TigerTim
09-20-2012, 12:50 AM
:spit: :worship:

Topspindoctor
09-20-2012, 12:52 AM
Mods are surprisingly slow in banning this double account :o I wonder which previously banned Noserertard or Mandytard is he?

TigerTim
09-20-2012, 12:53 AM
I don't think he likes any of the top4 :shrug:

Mark Lenders
09-20-2012, 12:57 AM
I don't think he likes any of the top4 :shrug:

He's a Del Potro fan, I think :p.

roddick

losing to the future GOAT del potro is as good as a victory, honors don't come as high as that espicially when you've taken a set from him


Personally I have a feeling that this will be murray's one and only grand slam, further solidifying this 'reverse-roddick' career theory. Roddick's career peaked at the very beginning, whereas I think that Murray has already peaked at his 'end' (i.e no more grand slam finals for him, which lets be honest is plausible when you think that he had a lot of luck in winning the US open, nadal will be back, del GOATro will be back, berdych will be back in windless conditions, federer is still around, djokovic AKA serbinator will be definitely be back)


Although he could have been taking the piss, of course :lol:

End da Game
09-20-2012, 01:04 AM
All slam wins are legit, no matter how many had elements of fortune in them.

you keep telling yourself that :haha:

Topspindoctor
09-20-2012, 01:08 AM
He's a Del Potro fan, I think :p.

Although he could have been taking the piss, of course :lol:

Although it's a nice disguise, it will not take him long to reveal himself as a Noserer fan, just you watch.

rocketassist
09-20-2012, 02:13 AM
you keep telling yourself that :haha:

You're obviously a pisstaker, and a DA, and as for you laughing at a fair comment, a spazzy mong as well.

Thunder Hoad
09-20-2012, 03:19 AM
Although it's a nice disguise, it will not take him long to reveal himself as a Noserer fan, just you watch.

I just want to say that I think it's nice in this day and age that a man can be so open about obsessing over another man's facial features; and that gentlemen such as spinny no longer feel trapped in the closet. Great progress as a society. Yay.

johnny tsunami
09-20-2012, 04:17 AM
i don't think he will win any slams next year, maybe us open. i think nadal will win AO, its tough to say that but i really think he will come back strong. I think that nole will break through and really focus on his clay court game and take the french and then andy will take wimbledon. I don't know who will win the us open, i hope its someone new and exciting... I'm getting tired of these same guys.

FedvsNole
09-20-2012, 04:30 AM
i don't think he will win any slams next year, maybe us open. i think nadal will win AO, its tough to say that but i really think he will come back strong. I think that nole will break through and really focus on his clay court game and take the french and then andy will take wimbledon. I don't know who will win the us open, i hope its someone new and exciting... I'm getting tired of these same guys.


Nadal ain't winning anything before the clay season next year and maybe the french that's all. Mandy mugray no way is winning wimbledon if federer is around in the semis and beyond. If federer makes it to the the semis where indoor wimbledon becomes very likely he's gotta be the guy to beat as nole, murray, nadal all will be slipping and lose their movement advantage. Hard to bet against nole at aussie. I'd love to see a fed-nole final and not this pushing shit seen at us open and aussie open 2012.

Winners:
AO 2013: Nole but if mandy beats him in the semis and fed is to play mandy final fed will beat him.
French 2013: Nadul
wimby 2013: Fed if he gets to the semis otherwise its open
us open 2013 no super saturday: Fed if gets to the semis otherwise Nole

juan27
09-20-2012, 12:51 PM
Roger winning 17 slams is a bigger fluke than the universe forming from the big bang.

no....

the real fluke was the 2011 djokovic , this year he has lucky in his only slam because nadal choked but after that he was destroyed by nadal in all clay season , defeated by federer and losing the nº1 against a 31 years old man and after that was the firt man of lost an slam final against murray.

Litotes
09-20-2012, 01:13 PM
no....

the real fluke was the 2011 djokovic , this year he has lucky in his only slam because nadal choked but after that he was destroyed by nadal in all clay season , defeated by federer and losing the nº1 against a 31 years old man and after that was the firt man of lost an slam final against murray.

There is no sense in discussing the issue with hipolymer, who appears to think everybody fluked everything. The whole Universe is just one big random fluke to some people, I guess.

Matt01
09-20-2012, 01:17 PM
Federer has won titles on grass, clay and HC this year. Nadal has not won anything off clay in 2 years. To say that Nadal could be a bigger factor in HC slams than Federer is rather idiotic. That is what I was referring to, and your post has no answer to that.


Nadal made a Slam final on HC (which is worth more than any MM win)more recently than Fed did. And not only one but several. :tape:

Matt01
09-20-2012, 01:23 PM
no....

the real fluke was the 2011 djokovic , this year he has lucky in his only slam because nadal choked but after that he was destroyed by nadal in all clay season , defeated by federer and losing the nº1 against a 31 years old man and after that was the firt man of lost an slam final against murray.


Was he also lucky when he destroyed Fed in straight sets at RG? :confused:

Looner
09-20-2012, 01:24 PM
Matt joins the clown party led by the vulture's fans.

Matt01
09-20-2012, 01:27 PM
Matt joins the clown party led by the vulture's fans.


You mean fans like you?

rocketassist
09-20-2012, 02:15 PM
Nadal made a Slam final on HC (which is worth more than any MM win)more recently than Fed did. And not only one but several. :tape:

Yeah we know you still think Noledal are the real 1 and 2 no point spouting it.

juan27
09-20-2012, 02:18 PM
Was he also lucky when he destroyed Fed in straight sets at RG? :confused:

ok , in a surface hard for a 31 years old man like clay ( federer has lucky against del potro ) it`s logic than nole won , but , what happen after that??? he lost the final like in rome too.

federer defeated nole in wimbledon and after that he won wimbledon.

winning the titles are the important , not only a victory.

Matt01
09-20-2012, 05:12 PM
Yeah we know you still think Noledal are the real 1 and 2 no point spouting it.


You obviously misinterpreted my words. :shrug:

manadrainer
09-20-2012, 05:43 PM
AO - 4R or QF lost to Almagro or Wawrinka
FO - 3R-4R lost to Marco Chiidinelli
WIM- 1\4, his only chance to 1\2 or F - rain and another Indoor Wimbledon under roof.
USO - 3r lost to Sock or steve johnson

he can win Doha,Rotterdam or Stockholm and become "hardcourt Almagro" Gstaad (1st clay title from RG-2009) and maybe Basel

So, i guess, he will finish 2013 at 9-10 place and will retire.

Madrid 2012 says hi.

Oh, but obviously you are a fan of the crybabies who threatened not to come back next year if they don't switch back to red clay. :bigcry:
Poor Spartans... it's too difficult to make adjustments these days... :bigcry:

Certinfy
09-20-2012, 06:35 PM
Madrid 2012 says hi.

Oh, but obviously you are a fan of the crybabies who threatened not to come back next year if they don't switch back to red clay. :bigcry:
Poor Spartans... it's too difficult to make adjustments these days... :bigcry:
Just be grateful Raonic and Berdych choked the living shit out of themselves against Federer there.

Looner
09-20-2012, 06:36 PM
Just be grateful Raonic and Berdych choked the living shit out of themselves against Federer there.

Yeah he also needs to be grateful Federer is the greatest ever and at 31 he owns his juniors in the rankings. All luck this Olderer.

Certinfy
09-20-2012, 06:42 PM
Yeah he also needs to be grateful Federer is the greatest ever and at 31 he owns his juniors in the rankings. All luck this Olderer.
He is.

Djoker the real number 1 and we all know it.

FedvsNole
09-20-2012, 06:55 PM
He is.

Djoker the real number 1 and we all know it.



Djoker letting mandy mugray win his first slam over him cannot make nole no 1. With djokers cakewalk draw having to play fucking ferrer in the semis and still not beating mandy on nole's fave surface .. pathetic.... neither nadal or federer would have allowed mandy Ugray to win that match.

Mandy choked real hard that match.... a real no 1 would never let mugray win their first slam over them.

Looner
09-20-2012, 07:17 PM
He is.

Djoker the real number 1 and we all know it.

#1 at losing finals, yeah.

TigerTim
09-20-2012, 07:36 PM
Djokovic is like a ice cream.

He has melted

EliSter
09-20-2012, 07:51 PM
Mugray is like a troll.

He is ugly.


Nole will rise.

TigerTim
09-20-2012, 07:56 PM
Mugray is like a troll.

He is ugly.


Nole will rise.

When one reaches the peak of the mountain the only way is down.

Clearly he passed a troll on the way down.

Sanya
09-20-2012, 07:56 PM
Mugray is like a troll.

He is ugly.


Nole will rise.

This thread is called "Federer 2013 season" if anything. :rolleyes:

Sapeod
09-20-2012, 07:58 PM
Roger may be an old guy when it comes to tennis years but he still has it in him. I think 2013 will be his last GREAT year and it will be a great year indeed. He'll win Wimbledon, I think. Him or Murray anyway. Apart from that, he'll have semi-finals and finals everywhere. In fact, I am confident that he will almost always reach at least the semi-final stage, if not the final stage. He'll win a few titles, some masters series, some 500s etc. He'll be behind Murray but I think both of them will end as the top 2 of 2013. I hope so and I think so.

BigJohn
09-20-2012, 08:47 PM
Nadal made a Slam final on HC (which is worth more than any MM win)more recently than Fed did. And not only one but several. :tape:

Tell me again what was Nadal's last HC title? And when was that title won?

Fed last HC title was a few weeks ago, when he won in straight sets, one of them a bagel, against prime Nole. :cool:

Matt01
09-20-2012, 09:06 PM
Tell me again what was Nadal's last HC title? And when was that title won?

Fed last HC title was a few weeks ago, when he won in straight sets, one of them a bagel, against prime Nole. :cool:


AO final > Cincy win.

Even you should be able to understand that.

BigJohn
09-20-2012, 09:08 PM
AO final > Cincy win.

Even you should be able to understand that.

Just answer the questions little Mattie:

What was the last HC title for Rafa? When was that title won?

TigerTim
09-20-2012, 09:08 PM
Djokovic won Australia, Canada, Miami

Federer won Cincinnati, Dubai

BigJohn
09-20-2012, 09:10 PM
Djokovic won Australia, Canada, Miami

Federer won Cincinnati, Dubai

What about HC titles won by Rafa in 2012? in 2011?

TigerTim
09-20-2012, 09:13 PM
What about HC titles won by Rafa in 2012? in 2011?

Djokovic has 4 slams and 2 finals since 2010
Rafa has 2 slams and 3 Finals since 2010
Murray has 1 slam and 2 finals since 2010
Roger has 1 slam and 1 final since 2010

That is all. Even as the ATP try to push it hard is one of 3 (should be 4 :o) surfaces.

Matt01
09-20-2012, 09:15 PM
Just answer the questions little Mattie:

What was the last HC title for Rafa? When was that title won?


I'll repeat it for you, Lil' John:

Nadal made a Slam final on HC (which is worth more than any MM win)more recently than Fed did. And not only one but several.

AO final > Cincy win.

Even you should be able to understand that.

GSMnadal
09-20-2012, 09:15 PM
What about HC titles won by Rafa in 2012? in 2011?

What about clay titles won by Federer, Djokovic and Murray in 2012? And 2011? And 2010?

Madrid 2012 (fake blue clay), 2011 , Belgrade 2011 (vultured) and Rome 2011. Impressive for these three 'all round greats'

TigerTim
09-20-2012, 09:17 PM
All surfaces are equal

GSMnadal
09-20-2012, 09:18 PM
You forgot Madrid 2011

No I didn't

TigerTim
09-20-2012, 09:19 PM
No I didn't

I know sorry, I misread :o

BigJohn
09-20-2012, 09:19 PM
I'll repeat it for you, Lil' John:

Nadal made a Slam final on HC (which is worth more than any MM win)more recently than Fed did. And not only one but several.

AO final > Cincy win.

Even you should be able to understand that.

How difficult is it to answer 2 simple questions Mattie?

What was his last HC title?
When did he last win that title?

You should be able to figure out that someone who just won a Masters in straight set final (with bagel) against prime Nole on HC would have to be a bigger threat in any HC slam than a player who has not won a single title on HC since... when again?

Time to put on your underused thinking cap.

BigJohn
09-20-2012, 09:20 PM
What about clay titles won by Federer, Djokovic and Murray in 2012? And 2011? And 2010?

Madrid 2012 (fake blue clay), 2011 , Belgrade 2011 (vultured) and Rome 2011. Impressive for these three 'all round greats'

Federer won on clay in 2012... Nadal won on HC in... anyone remembers?

Matt01
09-20-2012, 09:27 PM
How difficult is it to answer 2 simple questions Mattie?

What was his last HC title?
When did he last win that title?

You should be able to figure out that someone who just won a Masters in straight set final (with bagel) against prime Nole on HC would have to be a bigger threat in any HC slam than a player who has not won a single title on HC since... when again?

Time to put on your underused thinking cap.


Of course Fed is currently a bigger threat than Nadal to win a big HC title (as long as doesn't lose to Berdych :tape:) but that has nothing to do with the question when Rafa won his last HC title, but it has everything to do with him now being injured :lol:

And now stop asking me useless questions because I'm not going to answer them.

GSMnadal
09-20-2012, 09:34 PM
Federer won on clay in 2012... Nadal won on HC in... anyone remembers?

Ok, Nadal is a huge HC mug. Roger would flatten him if they were to meet in a HC slam....oh wait.

http://www.dispatch.com/content/graphics/2012/01/26/0126-nadal-fed-aussie.jpg

Looner
09-20-2012, 09:37 PM
Yes and it's funny how they always play on the mudslow courts of Australia and miss each other in the US. Oh, wait Nadal did not play there this year...

GSMnadal
09-20-2012, 09:39 PM
Yes and it's funny how they always play on the mudslow courts of Australia and miss each other in the US. Oh, wait Nadal did not play there this year...

Nadal would've routined Berdych in the semi's :shrug: Don't see how that's relevant to the Fed vs. Rafa argument

TigerTim
09-20-2012, 09:41 PM
Lol @ federer and Nadal fans bitching about court speed.

Look up AO and USO circa 1999.

Avi13
09-20-2012, 09:42 PM
Yes and it's funny how they always play on the mudslow courts of Australia and miss each other in the US. Oh, wait Nadal did not play there this year...

Hmm what about 2010,2011 when Rafa was there?

Oh wait fed didn't even make the finals to face him.Probably was too worried that he would lose to rafa in the finals of the US open as well making it 4/4 in slams.

2012 didn't even make the semis LOL

BigJohn
09-20-2012, 09:56 PM
Of course Fed is currently a bigger threat than Nadal to win a big HC title (as long as doesn't lose to Berdych :tape:) but that has nothing to do with the question when Rafa won his last HC title, but it has everything to do with him now being injured :lol:

And now stop asking me useless questions because I'm not going to answer them.

So Rafa not winning a HC title in so long has to do with Rafa being injured?

Well, Mattie, you are getting very close to munZe levels of lunacy.

Ok, Nadal is a huge HC mug. Roger would flatten him if they were to meet in a HC slam....oh wait.



Cool story bro. What happened last WTF again?


It is as if Rafa has no true fan able to answer 2 simple questions: what was Nadal's last HC title? when was Nadal's last HC title?


Based on the recent replies in this thread, Rafa's fanbase is made up of only tards... And not the brightest type of tard either...

Looner
09-20-2012, 10:00 PM
Lol @ federer and Nadal fans bitching about court speed.

Look up AO and USO circa 1999.

A Fedal match would not have been allowed on that surface. It would have been a massacre.

Just look at what Fed did to him at the WTF last year and then think of an actual fast court. Poor Rafi would have trouble winning a point, let alone a game.

TigerTim
09-20-2012, 10:02 PM
A Fedal match would not have been allowed on that surface. It would have been a massacre.

Just look what Fed did to him at the WTF last year and then think of an actual fast court. Poor Rafi would have trouble winning a point, let alone a game.

True true.

Matt01
09-20-2012, 10:09 PM
A Fedal match would not have been allowed on that surface. It would have been a massacre.

Just look at what Fed did to him at the WTF last year and then think of an actual fast court. Poor Rafi would have trouble winning a point, let alone a game.


Anyone who has looked at the H2H between Rafa and Rogie usually notices that there is big difference between them playing on HC indoors and on HC outdoors.

duong
09-20-2012, 11:28 PM
Anyone who has looked at the H2H between Rafa and Rogie usually notices that there is big difference between them playing on HC indoors and on HC outdoors.

that's one way to look at it : another way is to say it depends if it's slow or quick hardcourts.

All of Fed and Nadal's or nearly all (Dubai 2006 ?) were played on slow hardcourts.

Besides, it will remain forever a fact that Fed and Nadal have played each other very seldom on hardcourts, and as far as outdoor hardcourt matches are concerned, they're focused either in the beginning or in the end of their rivalry, quite special periods (the beginning of their rivalry was very much in favour of Nadal who was leading 6-1 but then it was much more balanced 12-9). And Fed managed to lose (or Nadal to win) this Australian open final where he was clearly the better player :facepalm:

From there, stupid fans of each other's will always be allowed to make whatever conclusion which suits them as you did :shrug:

For sure, there will be bullshitting for ages about Fed vs Nadal.

Matt01
09-21-2012, 01:27 AM
that's one way to look at it : another way is to say it depends if it's slow or quick hardcourts.

All of Fed and Nadal's or nearly all (Dubai 2006 ?) were played on slow hardcourts.


Dubai 2006 was on fast HC (outdoors) and Nadal won.

BigJohn
09-21-2012, 02:02 AM
So Rafa not winning a HC title in so long has to do with Rafa being injured?

Well, Mattie, you are getting very close to munZe levels of lunacy.



Cool story bro. What happened last WTF again?


It is as if Rafa has no true fan able to answer 2 simple questions: what was Nadal's last HC title? when was Nadal's last HC title?


Based on the recent replies in this thread, Rafa's fanbase is made up of only tards... And not the brightest type of tard either...

You would not believe the incredible personal attack bad rep this SPOT-ON post got me from...

:drum roll:

Topspinclown.

It confirms beyond the shadow of a doubt the truth of the last paragraph from the post.

:cool:

GSMnadal
09-21-2012, 06:55 AM
that's one way to look at it : another way is to say it depends if it's slow or quick hardcourts.

All of Fed and Nadal's or nearly all (Dubai 2006 ?) were played on slow hardcourts.

Besides, it will remain forever a fact that Fed and Nadal have played each other very seldom on hardcourts, and as far as outdoor hardcourt matches are concerned, they're focused either in the beginning or in the end of their rivalry, quite special periods (the beginning of their rivalry was very much in favour of Nadal who was leading 6-1 but then it was much more balanced 12-9). And Fed managed to lose (or Nadal to win) this Australian open final where he was clearly the better player :facepalm:

From there, stupid fans of each other's will always be allowed to make whatever conclusion which suits them as you did :shrug:

For sure, there will be bullshitting for ages about Fed vs Nadal.

:spit:

Yeah, the better player usually dumps 9/10 balls in the net in the deciding fifth set.

Benny_Maths
09-21-2012, 07:11 AM
The H2H on outdoor HC doesn't really matter. Between Miami 2005 and Indian Wells 2012 Fed didn't score a single win against Nadal on outdoor HC; but he won 7 outdoor HC slams.:D

duong
09-21-2012, 07:48 AM
Dubai 2006 was on fast HC (outdoors) and Nadal won.

yes as I've said, they've played so little against each other on hardcourts (and grass) that there will be bullshitting for ages about those 2.

Yeah, the better player usually dumps 9/10 balls in the net in the deciding fifth set.

The lesser fit and riskier player does, yes.

GSMnadal
09-21-2012, 07:53 AM
The lesser fit and riskier player does, yes.

And that's not part of being 'the better tennis player'? :scratch:

duong
09-21-2012, 08:16 AM
And that's not part of being 'the better tennis player'? :scratch:

OK but what I mostly meant is that Fed should have won during the first 4 sets.

Besides, yes, Nadal played well enough the big points that day to win the first and 3rd set and that's part of being a "better tennis player",

but you perfectly know that here I meant that that day Fed's level of tennis was above Nadal's, and imo, that's not the case usually in their matches, whatever people and especially Fedfans think.

It's my main regret in Fed's carreer, much more than Del Potro's match in the US Open.

Gagsquet
09-21-2012, 09:49 AM
My hope is that Federer ends up his career in Roland Garros final losing in five against Nadal missing twelve match points.

manadrainer
09-21-2012, 10:22 AM
Lol at Fedhaters. They are really losing it since Fed bacame #1 again.

I know it hurts, but "ballerina" >>> "spartans" still at 31 y.o. :haha:

Oh and stop with the Real #1 nonsense. Djoko is the holder of 1 slam and he's lucky Rafa choked that one away (which I am happy he did, BTW :) ), exactly as Fed holds 1 slam. You want to look at titles?

Slams
Fed 1
Djoko 1

WTF
Fed 1 (undefeated champion)
Djoko 0

M1000
Fed 4
Djoko 2

500
Fed 3
Djoko 0

Total
Fed 9
Djoko 3


Enough for you haters?

lazybear
09-21-2012, 10:27 AM
My hope is that Federer ends up his career in Roland Garros final losing in five against Nadal missing twelve match points.

Any decent Fed fan would have to be on suicide watch after a match like that, lol. :D Let's hope he'll retire with a Basel win instead. :p

duong
09-21-2012, 10:43 AM
Any decent Fed fan would have to be on suicide watch after a match like that, lol. :D Let's hope he'll retire with a Basel win instead. :p

Fed will not retire after a slam final, that's for sure : it would give him more hope he can still win ones.

garad
09-21-2012, 12:03 PM
And that's not part of being 'the better tennis player'? :scratch:

Ah... the irony

jojoh07
09-22-2012, 02:29 AM
when you are the greatest , you will have haters

31 year old ruling the tennis world

/thread

Topspindoctor
09-22-2012, 02:40 AM
Noserer's ideal year before retirement for me:

AO: Loses in R1
RG: loses to Nadal in 4 in finals
W: Loses to Nadal in 5 in finals after shanking BH on 3 consecutive match points in 4th set tie break
USO: Loses in R1
Last match of his career: gets double bageled by the Djoker in the final of Basel.

Litotes
09-22-2012, 07:36 AM
Noserer's ideal year before retirement for me:


You're not particularly good at staying with the topic, are you? It has been made abundantly clear that Federer has no retirement plans in 2013.

jcempire
09-22-2012, 07:46 AM
Best chance maybe in WIM

Ash86
09-22-2012, 09:53 AM
I have a feeling we might see Fed and Nadal play doubles together next season. Get the impression that either 2013 or 2014 will be Fed's last season -really don't see him doing the whole tour at 33+ with the same hunger that Murray etc. will have. Before he does I think he'll try and play once with Nadal - Nadal asked him a few years ago and Fed declined as they were still no.1 and no.2 and each others main rivals. Has said since though that he'd like to do it.

Would love to see it - imagine it would be either IW/Miami or Rogers Cup.... So intrigued to see how they would do as a team!

Overall next season I see Fed being even more selective - not trying too hard at RG and saving himself for Wimby and the US Open - those two are still his best chances of future slams. Can't see him winning AO or RG - assuming Nadal comes back at a good level in Australia, Fed is 4th favourite on that surface after Novak, Murray and Nadal - too much grinding and too energy sapping for Fed now. Hope he has a good season and if next season is his last, I hope he leaves on a real high. Sure Fed will plan it well.

duong
09-22-2012, 10:30 AM
I have a feeling we might see Fed and Nadal play doubles together next season. Get the impression that either 2013 or 2014 will be Fed's last season -really don't see him doing the whole tour at 33+ with the same hunger that Murray etc. will have. Before he does I think he'll try and play once with Nadal - Nadal asked him a few years ago and Fed declined as they were still no.1 and no.2 and each others main rivals. Has said since though that he'd like to do it.

Would love to see it - imagine it would be either IW/Miami or Rogers Cup.... So intrigued to see how they would do as a team!

I disagree with you about the Fed's future thing, but about the doubles' thing, if Switzerland defeats Czech Republic in the first round of Davis cup, and considering their QF draw, Switzerland will certainly get to the Davis cup semifinal.

And his double with Stan has not been good recently (they tried a new thing against the Dutch by exchanging their places on return and it looked promising) : they clearly need to practise it and have very few occasions for that.

Then I really don't see Fed playing doubles in Indian Wells (the best place to practise doubles) with somebody else than Stan.

Even if Fed retires in 2014 as you think, in that case he can play this double with Nadal that year or in an exhibition (imagine an exho Fed-Nadal vs Djoko-Murray :lol: )

This thing looks more like a retirement thing and even in your plan, more for 2014 than for 2013.

PS : I don't want Fed to leave in a real high, I want him to leave naturally when he feels like he has no chance anymore and if he's on a high, it means he still has chance, and I think he believes enough in himself to keep on.

Ash86
09-22-2012, 10:41 AM
I disagree with you about the Fed's future thing, but about the doubles' thing, if Switzerland defeats Czech Republic in the first round of Davis cup, and considering their QF draw, Switzerland will certainly get to the Davis cup semifinal.

And his double with Stan has not been good recently (they tried a new thing against the Dutch by exchanging their places on return and it looked promising) : they clearly need to practise it and have very few occasions for that.

Then I really don't see Fed playing doubles in Indian Wells (the best place to practise doubles) with somebody else than Stan.

Even if Fed retires in 2014 as you think, in that case he can play this double with Nadal that year or in an exhibition (imagine an exho Fed-Nadal vs Djoko-Murray :lol: )

This thing looks more like a retirement thing and even in your plan, more for 2014 than for 2013.

PS : I don't want Fed to leave in a real high, I want him to leave naturally when he feels like he has no chance anymore and if he's on a high, it means he still has chance, and I think he believes enough in himself to keep on.

Well, I guess we'll see, but I don't think that Federer will necessarily be able to play for Switzerland every time (he's said that he takes each decision as it comes) and I think the Czechs have a good shot at getting past the Swiss anyway. As for playing an exo, sure Fed/Nadal will do that (I'm sure there will be a big money, "Big 4" exo at some point - probably organized in some rich Arab state) but I think both would like to play a tournament before they retire. It would be a shame if they didn't.

Let's see how Fed does for the rest of 2012 but I do get the impression that Fed will wind down soon - the Olympics and no.1 were real goals - what are the remaining goals? For any professional once the drive goes then it's game over. Not saying that's happened for Fed but I don't think that his results this year necessarily mean he's got many more years ahead of him either. For Nadal strangely I think 2012 has given him reason to go on - he can feel like he's lost time and should try for a few more years and try and make Rio if possible - otherwise by the end of 2011 the passion seemed gone for him. For Fed, we can only speculate. I personally would not be surprised if he retired in Basel 2013 and certainly think by Basel 2014 the odds are more in favour of retirement than not.

As for playing doubles in IW with someone other than Stan - his record with Stan has been terrible lately so in terms of practice I don't see why it should be a big issue for him to play with Nadal. Nadal always plays with his friend Marc Lopez and they've actually won 2 of the last 3 times, but given that Lopez is doing well in his partnership with Granollers, he may decide that not sticking with the same partner for a M1000 is not a good move. We shall see. I will be gutted if we never see Nadal/Federer play a competitive doubles match! Probably the best pairing from the singles players that you could choose in the last decade or so - lefty/righty; amazing movement; both great at doubles; great at net - would be a hoot. We've seen Nadal/Djokovic and Djokovic/Murray - would be interesting to see Murray/Nadal too - think they'd do well.

Sanya
09-22-2012, 10:53 AM
Wawrinka is very weak doubles player - all his strong sides are nullified in such conditions. If only Fed has Rosset now. :sad:

duong
09-22-2012, 11:01 AM
Let's see how Fed does for the rest of 2012 but I do get the impression that Fed will wind down soon - the Olympics and no.1 were real goals - what are the remaining goals? For any professional once the drive goes then it's game over.

I think people pay too much attention to these kind of "big goals" hence the hype for the Olympics because it's in 4 years then it's supposed to drive the guy till there : I don't believe it a minute, Nadal needed to say that one month ago because he was worried for his carreer and longevity, but 4 years is much too far for tennis competitors who live in a permanent pressure cooker.

Fed has explained many times (we've plenty of his interviews in Fed's section of the forum), and Annacone has confirmed that he was completely different from Sampras for that, that what drives him is just every day's pleasure, playing on big courts, the fans' applause. He cried after winning Basel, was super-happy after winning Rotterdam and Indian Wells, and always cites his win in Bercy 2011 as one of his best satisfactions of recent years.

He just enjoys every win. And what shoud be clear is that he's never been enough with winning slams, even when he had already won many many of them.

Then the Olympics shit is bullshit.

I can agree that Fed might retire when he feels that he has no chance anymore to win a slam, but considering that his confidence in himself is much much higher than the one journalists and fans have after each of his losses, it will probably take several years to achieve that feeling.

I'm not sure exactly when, it may be the end of 2014, 2015, 2016 or later, but the end of 2013 ? never. And the Olympics have nothing at all to do with that decision (anyway if he has no chance left to win a slam, he will have no chance left to win the Olympics, and do you really think Fed will stop despite feeling he can still win a slam ?)

For 2013, as it's the topic here, I'm mostly worried about his exho trip in South America in december 2012 : he probably didn't think at that moment that he would still be in contention for number 1 now and then play quite a lot in the end of the year.

I'm worried it might affect his december preparation and the Australian Open.

Yes I think he will easily forget about number 1 if it goes away in next months, but anyway he will still want to win slams and even some other tournaments where he feels good.

Ash86
09-22-2012, 11:10 AM
I'm not sure exactly when but the end of 2013 ? never.

Never say never. Here's a scenario - Fed will be 32 next year. Imagine he loses in QF at Australia to Berdych (plausible), upset early in one of IW/Miami by a big hitter (again plausible), doesn't make any claycourt Masters finals and has an early loss at Rome, loses 4th round at RG (has lost in QF before, struggled against players like Mahut, Goffin etc. last year) and then loses in QF at Wimbledon.

This may seem far fetched but just as things went Fed's way in 2012, they could go against him in 2013. It takes very little for momentum to shift in tennis. If at the same time we have Djokovic, Murray etc. being as consistent as ever at slams I think Fed will see those opportunities slipping. My view is based a lot on his response to the Berdych loss at the US Open - he needs to believe that other than the rest of the top 4, it will take an amazing performance from someone to beat him at a slam. When that is not true, and not true consistently, I think he'll think about going.

I hope it's not for a few years but to say that it could never be 2013 is silly. Think of where we were last year - Novak had won 3 slams and Murray had had a pretty mediocre year. Things change fast.

TigerTim
09-22-2012, 11:29 AM
I can't see Federer retiring or declining hard next year, his level is too high atm.

Last year Murray had a more consistant time that this, aside from his post AO, 2 masters, 1 slam final, 3 semis, 5 titles

Federer at Wimbledon is a dangerous threat. If he draws Nadal at the AO also he could face a very tired Nolray in the final. Oppotunities are everywhere.

But why doesnt he wait till reitrement to play South America :confused:

duong
09-22-2012, 11:47 AM
Never say never. Here's a scenario - Fed will be 32 next year. Imagine he loses in QF at Australia to Berdych (plausible), upset early in one of IW/Miami by a big hitter (again plausible), doesn't make any claycourt Masters and has an early loss at Rome, loses 4th round at RG (has lost in QF before, struggled against players like Mahut, Goffin etc. last year) and then loses in QF at Wimbledon.

This may seem far fetched but just as things went Fed's way in 2012, they could go against him in 2013. It takes very little for momentum to shift in tennis. If at the same time we have Djokovic, Murray etc. being as consistent as ever at slams I think Fed will see those opportunities slipping. My view is based a lot on his response to the Berdych loss at the US Open - he needs to believe that other than the rest of the top 4, it will take an amazing performance from someone to beat him at a slam. When that is not true, and not true consistently, I think he'll think about going.

and then why retiring ?

I think your estimations of what a "total failure" would be are far too moderate by the way, Fed very nearly lost in the first round of Wimbledon to Falla, in 3rd round to Benneteau, and against Simon in 2nd round of the Australian Open.

Fed has known for long that he can lose early, and to players who don't make an amazing performance. He didn't seem to think that Berdych had played unbelievably well by the way.

And Fed loses early very often, I've never believed the people who said that Fed only played his "real level" in slams, he himself denied that by the way that he played differently, he's usually better prepared for slams and it's in 5 sets but that's all. And he said himself that he used to underrate lower ranked opponents in his young age, but that he would never do it again.

There's something which people, esp. people who're not his fans, hardly understand about Fed, it's the feeling of the moment, of luck, of vulnerability as well : at one moment it can go your way or the opponent's way, he doesn't see matches as something which can be explained "scientifically" as some "analysts" see them. He's talked a lot of luck and how the moment switched in his carreer, either in his favour or in the opponent's.

What's important is not losing, it's stopping believing you can win once, that the moment cannot be back with you.

You can lose many times : if you win once, it's a pleasure.

Even Sampras who retired on a slam win, which I never think Fed would do, he suffered early losses for two years, esp. in his "garden" Wimbledon before retiring. And Annacone has clearly said that Fed has much more pleasure on tour than Sampras had, he's completely different.

And many many old players do the same Hewitt, Haas ... they don't play for the hope of being consistent, they play for the hope of peaking once in a while.

The fact that you consider that losing twice in QF and once in R16 would be a catastrophe for Fed which would be worthy of retiring, that players outside of the top-4 need an amazing performance to beat him in a slam, actually is a testimony of the unbelievable consistency on top which Fed has reached :lol:

I hope it's not for a few years but to say that it could never be 2013 is silly. Think of where we were last year - Novak had won 3 slams and Murray had had a pretty mediocre year. Things change fast.

yes, Fed can be number 8 in the end of next year, but retiring is a completely different thing : that's where I totally disagree with you.

He can be number 8 next year and still be able to win a slam in two years. That's quite what Sampras did by the way.

Fed always says he looks at the big picture, and the big picture is his potential, his body ... and his family, the latter being a very important factor as well by the way, which may be a key one in the end.

cutesteve22
09-22-2012, 12:11 PM
Just hope he could peak at one slam, Wimbledon or US open, and that's enough.

pepita1964
09-22-2012, 02:33 PM
Murray needed 5 hours to win US open against Djokovic but Federer needed 2 hours to defeat Djokovic in SF Wimbledon. This long matches will not going to help them at all. We can see in time Djokovic and Murray to get injured as Nadal is now.Federer did not miss a GS for a long long time and still play high level tennis at 31. He did not loss before QF i am not sure for eight or nine years. Only thing we can say
that is greatness no more no less. And he has a family two kids do not forget that
which is not easy at all.

Marcoo
09-22-2012, 03:17 PM
He may do something in AO this year. I just feel it ;)

GSMnadal
09-22-2012, 03:29 PM
He may do something in AO this year. I just feel it ;)

Lose?

jcempire
09-22-2012, 03:30 PM
32 years old Federer

Can't get better next year rather than what he did in this year

Even Rest of youngsters all mug

BigJohn
09-22-2012, 04:12 PM
Lose?

Like Rafa did every time he played there but once?

Litotes
09-22-2012, 04:17 PM
32 years old Federer

Can't get better next year rather than what he did in this year

Even Rest of youngsters all mug

He won't have to, will he, if Djokovic and Nadal are declining faster than him. At the moment, nobody is coming up.

BigJohn
09-22-2012, 04:19 PM
He won't have to, will he, if Djokovic and Nadal are declining faster than him. At the moment, nobody is coming up.

Good point. Some people believe Rafa will retire before Federer does. And if you look at how worn out each is, it appears to be the informed and wiser opinion.

Roy Emerson
09-23-2012, 04:09 AM
Murray needed 5 hours to win US open against Djokovic but Federer needed 2 hours to defeat Djokovic in SF Wimbledon. This long matches will not going to help them at all. We can see in time Djokovic and Murray to get injured as Nadal is now.Federer did not miss a GS for a long long time and still play high level tennis at 31. He did not loss before QF i am not sure for eight or nine years. Only thing we can say
that is greatness no more no less. And he has a family two kids do not forget that
which is not easy at all.

Yep. These 5 and 6 hr slam matches on HC are terrible for their longevity.

Topspindoctor
09-23-2012, 04:28 AM
Good point. Some people believe Rafa will retire before Federer does. And if you look at how worn out each is, it appears to be the informed and wiser opinion.

You mean Noserertards like yourself who are tired Nadal has been owning Noserer in slams for the last 5 years?

swisht4u
09-23-2012, 04:31 AM
I expect Fed to do very well in 2013.

The loss at the USO I think really shook him up.

Not too long before Fed said someone will need to have a very special game to beat him and it made sense if he kept his level up.
That loss to Berdych was not the Fed of the past year, he seemed worn down.


Fed had put in a long tough year from 2011 USO till this years USO, going deep in tournaments and playing at a higher level than he has for years.

It's nothing that rest and time won't take care of.

GOATsol
09-23-2012, 04:34 AM
Good point. Some people believe Rafa will retire before Federer does. And if you look at how worn out each is, it appears to be the informed and wiser opinion.
Rafa will not retire earlier than Roger. :lol:

BigJohn
09-23-2012, 05:59 AM
Rafa will not retire earlier than Roger. :lol:

Time will tell.

Xristos
09-23-2012, 07:13 AM
Roger will win the AO and the USO. Mark my words.

Honestly
09-27-2012, 11:55 PM
I truly feel this is and will be his last year to win slams outside of wimbledon.

1. Aussie open: may be his best chance ever. Rusty nadal or high on life mandy to play in the semis against fed.
- i actually don't think nadal will be able to take 6 mo off and come back and be in the semis that quickly. Would be fed's best chance to at least get to the final. He'll be the big big underdog against nole in the final. But the matches have been very tight 3 setters and 2011 was a against super djoker... so I'd love to see that final and who knows mandy may take djoker out in the semis here.
- MUST AVOID BERDSHIT IN QF

2. French: No chance

3. Wimbledon: Would love to see a fed-nadal indoor grass match.
-fed just needs to get to the semis and avoid a berdshit or clownga. If he's made it that far. He can break the all time record. The roof will get closed at some point in the semis and finals given the weather in london.

-MUST AVOID BERDSHIT IN QF

4. US open: Provided all 4 big guys play.
-the biggest fed obstacle super saturday will be gone and endurance will be thrown out the window. Would love a mandy or nadal vs fed in the us open final.

MUST AVOID BERDSHIT in QF

MUST AVOID FANS LIKE YOU.

EliSter
09-27-2012, 11:58 PM
0 slams for sure, MM titles plenty. Unless they make Basel 5th slam.

Honestly
09-28-2012, 12:02 AM
0 slams for sure, MM titles plenty. Unless they make Basel 5th slam.

People like these never learn. Can't wait for you to burn again Voldemrot :devil:

viruzzz
09-28-2012, 07:49 AM
Roger can surprise us. Not sure how.

In his super-form, I think he's a good threat in every slam.
But if he faces people like Berdych, he can also show his shankerer form like this USO in the 2nd set and end of 1st set.

If he plays like Wimb semis, without making stupid UEs and dominating the rallies, he can do damage in every surface to every player.

At some point, age will be a really big factor, but who knows when?
He's still showing a great fitness.

BigJohn
09-28-2012, 10:24 AM
From another thread:
Frauderertards destroying this thread with pathetic atempts of trolling. I dont know how most of them arent banned yet.

From this thread:
0 slams for sure, MM titles plenty. Unless they make Basel 5th slam.

Hypocritical much?

Satasonic
09-28-2012, 10:37 AM
:spit: People here are delusional. They need to understand- Any of the top 4 have a chance at every slam, its really easy. To simply discard Federer as "old", Nadal as "injured" or Djokovic as "1.0" is stupid, because they are all top players.


Therefore, its easy to say that if Federer shows up at every single slam, he theoretically has 25% to win each, except Roland garros, where his chances increase to 33% (cause Murray isnt winning Roland Garros anytime soon). So yes, he might win a slam or two in the next year, as simple as that :wavey:

duong
09-28-2012, 10:53 AM
:spit: People here are delusional. They need to understand- Any of the top 4 have a chance at every slam, its really easy. To simply discard Federer as "old", Nadal as "injured" or Djokovic as "1.0" is stupid, because they are all top players.

Therefore, its easy to say that if Federer shows up at every single slam, he theoretically has 25% to win each, except Roland garros, where his chances increase to 33% (cause Murray isnt winning Roland Garros anytime soon). So yes, he might win a slam or two in the next year, as simple as that :wavey:

well, I'm a Fedfan but Djokovic objectively has higher chances than other players next year, he's in his prime and even "1.0" (rather "1.5" imo) he will probably finish as "number 1" this year.

There are reasons for Fed to decline in 2013 but to get better there are few ones : for Djokovic it's the opposite.

Nadal and Murray are more ambiguous cases but Djokovic has most things in his favour.

Fed has chances of course as he had also in 2011 where he played great by the way.

And also as I pointed like some others, only Agassi won a (quite weak) slam at more than 31 years old since Arthur Ashe (well Sampras won the US Open nearly one month after his birthday but it's only 2 months better than Roger),
it would be a huge achievement for Fed to win one slam next year !

Sanya
09-28-2012, 11:04 AM
well, I'm a Fedfan but Djokovic objectively has higher chances than other players next year, he's in his prime and even "1.0" (rather "1.5" imo) he will probably finish as "number 1" this year.

There are reasons for Fed to decline in 2013 but to get better there are few ones : for Djokovic it's the opposite.

Nadal and Murray are more ambiguous cases but Djokovic has most things in his favour.

I`m not that sure. I think Nole will play more or less the same way he did it this year, with few close to untouchable stretches on hard here and there. But, yes, very likely that his results can be better - Fed +1 year, we don`t know how Rafa will play again (Nole is now undoubtedly 2d best player on clay, IMO, as Rogie was in 2005-09). He will show signs of vulnerability, I`m sure, but maybe noone would be there to use the moment. I think his chances to finish next year on 1 place are even better than this year - I hesitate Fed will be in the same position in 12 monthes and it`s a question will Murray step it up or not.

P.S. Continuing in another thread. :)

GSMnadal
09-28-2012, 11:10 AM
Doha
Rotterdam
Halle
Cincy
Basel

Topspindoctor
09-28-2012, 11:22 AM
Olderer will not win any slams in 2013:

AO: Draws Berdych in QF and loses in 5
RG: :superlol:
W: Draws Berdych in QF and loses in 4
USO: retires in R1 with a runny nose

EliSter
09-28-2012, 11:25 AM
Olderer will not win any slams in 2013:

AO: Draws Berdych in QF and loses in 5
RG: :superlol:
W: Draws Berdych in QF and loses in 4
USO: retires in R1 with a runny nose

:superlol:

garad
09-28-2012, 11:41 AM
Nadaltards and Djokotards infesting this thread like there is no tomorrow, some things just never change. Go watch some wheelchair tennis to familiarize yourself with the rules and environment, because thats what you will end up watching in future.

As for Federer, I expect him to have a pretty good season next year. There is nothing to suggest otherwise given what he won in the last 12 months and also a small matter of him being number 1 player in the world...