Miami Masters 1987-1989 = 5th Major

09-17-2012, 09:07 AM
Ive noticed that the 1987, 1988 & 1989 Lipton International Players Championships (Miami Masters) was best of 5 sets every round and a 128 draw. Also the ranking points for winning were very close to the amount you got for winning the Australian open in those years.

The winners of the Miami tournament in those 3 years were Miloslav Mečíř in 1987, Mats Wilander in 1988, Ivan Lendl in 1989.

Considering the Miami masters in those 3 years was basically the same format as a grand slam, do those 3 players deserve to consider and count winning in Miami the same as winning a major?? Which would move Lendl on to a total of 9 majors, Wilander 8 majors.

Any thoughts??

09-17-2012, 09:10 AM
Wrong forum to discuss about this

Yeah, it was great tournament and the prove that Majors are not everything

09-17-2012, 09:12 AM
Yes. It should be counted IMO to 3/4 extent.

Amazing that even in 80s slams were by no means everything.

09-17-2012, 09:31 AM
Did it have every player eligible to play with the exception of injuries?

09-17-2012, 09:47 AM
il have to check

09-17-2012, 09:51 AM
No, things were not working like that in the past.. McEnroe and Connors were out

09-17-2012, 10:20 AM
In 1987 all the top 20 players in the world played it other than - Henri Leconte (6), John McEnroe (12), Pat Cash (14), Kent Carlsson (16), Guillermo Vilas (20).

In 1988 all the top 20 players in the world played it other than - Ivan Lendl (1), Stefan Edberg (3), Boris Becker (4), Pat Cash (5), Brad Gilbert (10), Kent Carlsson (13), John McEnroe (15).

In 1989 all the top 20 players in the world played it other than - Stefan Edberg (3), Boris Becker (5), John McEnroe (6), Henri Leconte (12), Brad Gilbert (15), Jonas Svensson (19).

So there were some withdrawels from top players but the majority played it. John Mcenroe who didnt play any of the 3 miami events also didnt play the Australian Open in 1987 & 1988.

09-17-2012, 10:54 AM
Quote from an old StatRacket article that is relevant here:

Another change to the ranking system has involved the relative merit of tournaments. Although Grand Slams are now considered significantly bigger events than their nearest competitors, this has not always been reflected in the rankings. In fact, in the years 1985 and 1987, more points were awarded to the winner of the Miami Masters than the winner of the Australian Open.

Action Jackson
09-17-2012, 11:00 AM
Abu Dhabi or Houston is the 5th Slam.

Boris Franz Ecker
09-17-2012, 06:02 PM
it had no meaning.