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How many 5 set matches on clay has Rafa played?

theseth1119
09-17-2012, 12:17 AM
I can only think of 2 myself... 2006 Rome F over Rogie and 2011 FO 1st round over Isner, are there any others I'm missing?

Freak3yman84
09-17-2012, 12:23 AM
Prepare to be destroyed. Van Lottum/Verkerk def. Nadal/Robredo 3-6 2-6 6-3 6-2 6-2 in DC QF on Outdoor Clay :p

Topspindoctor
09-17-2012, 12:28 AM
I believe only twice. Rome 2006, Nadal was lulling Noserer into false sense of security before destroying him in Paris (he even let him have a match point or two, what a cruel devil). And in 2011 against Mugsner he was exhausted after a long night with Xisca and surprised that Frenchies sped up clay to the levels of 90's indoor hardcourts. Apart from that, pushing Nadal to even 4 sets on clay is a miracle and a sign that Nadal is playing at 20%.

theseth1119
09-17-2012, 12:31 AM
Ok, I was thinking singles sorry, but there is doubles too to consider.

theseth1119
09-17-2012, 12:33 AM
I believe only twice. Rome 2006, Nadal was lulling Noserer into false sense of security before destroying him in Paris (he even let him have a match point or two, what a cruel devil). And in 2011 against Mugsner he was exhausted after a long night with Xisca and surprised that Frenchies sped up clay to the levels of 90's indoor hardcourts. Apart from that, pushing Nadal to even 4 sets on clay is a miracle and a sign that Nadal is playing at 20%.

Well, Rogie went 4 sets with Rafa on clay more than anyone else I know (i.e. 2005 FO SF, 2006 Monte Carlo F, 2006 FO F, 2007 FO F, and 2011 FO F) and I believe Rafa was playing at more than 20% in those events. 2007 FO and 2012 FO Rafa went into the F without dropping a set and lost a set to Rogie and Djokovic.

n8
09-17-2012, 12:43 AM
2005 Rome Final: Nadal d. Coria 6-4 3-6 6-3 4-6 7-6(6).

theseth1119
09-17-2012, 12:51 AM
That was another one that went into a 5th set tiebreak, wow.

Freak3yman84
09-17-2012, 12:56 AM
You should put all of these in the OP so we can keep track ;)

n8
09-17-2012, 12:59 AM
That was another one that went into a 5th set tiebreak, wow.

Several blame that 2005 Rome loss for Coria's downfall. My post from another thread:

In 2004, Coria was the person to beat on clay. As expected he made the final of Roland Garros, but unexpectedly, just missed the title. At this stage he was only 22 and probably thought he had lots more chances to take the title.

In 2005, he once again had a very good clay season, making the final of Monte Carlo and Rome. However, in both these finals he lost close ones to Nadal. He lost in the Roland Garros 4th round to Davydenko. Soon after this, I think in Umag, he developed service yips that pretty much derailed his career.

Why did he develop service yips a year after his Roland Garros fiasco? Well, because he starts to realise that 2004 was really his best chance. He could see how good Nadal was already (Nadal was only 18 when he beat him in Monte Carlo and Rome) and could probably tell Nadal was going to dominate clay for the foreseeable future. He knew he would probably have to beat Nadal to win Roland Garros and this was too much to bear, knowing that he didn't have to beat anyone of Nadal's calibre a year before.

This is speculation, but several tennis experts agreed that Nadal was more of a destroyer of Coria's confidence than the 2004 Roland Garros final. But it was cumulative, had Coria won Roland Garros in 2004, he wouldn't have felt so much pressure to better Nadal. So I think, if he won that Grand Slam, his career from mid 2005 would've been much better. Probably no more majors, but at least top 20 for a few more years.

156mphserve
09-17-2012, 12:59 AM
he's played 3 in doubles if that counts

Freak3yman84
09-17-2012, 01:01 AM
he's played 3 in doubles if that counts

Really? Where? I got the only one he played in DC...

MTwEeZi
09-17-2012, 01:05 AM
The 06 Rome final sucked because Nadal was mentally exhausted & Fed choked like crazy. 05 one was far superior.

Freak3yman84
09-17-2012, 01:11 AM
Really? Where? I got the only one he played in DC...

Nvm, I was only looking at his WG results. Bracciali/Galimberti def. Nadal/F. Lopez 4-6 6-4 6-2 4-6 9-7 on Outdoor Clay. Also, Nadal/Robredo def. Clement/Llodra 7-6(4) 4-6 6-2 2-6 6-3 on Outdoor Clay.

philosophicalarf
09-17-2012, 01:32 AM
Just the three mentioned above, Isner RG2011, Fed Rome 2006, Coria Rome 2005.

Freak3yman84
09-17-2012, 01:34 AM
Just the three mentioned above, Isner RG2011, Fed Rome 2006, Coria Rome 2005.

...And 3 in doubles :p

Mountaindewslave
09-17-2012, 01:38 AM
Nvm, I was only looking at his WG results. Bracciali/Galimberti def. Nadal/F. Lopez 4-6 6-4 6-2 4-6 9-7 on Outdoor Clay. Also, Nadal/Robredo def. Clement/Llodra 7-6(4) 4-6 6-2 2-6 6-3 on Outdoor Clay.

those are irrevevant, Nadal is not a guy who plays doubles a lot, certainly not a doubles specialist, and in doubles matches your teammate can be the reason for your loss.

it's insane he's only been brought to that many sets a few times on clay HOWEVER let's remember that after what? 2005 or so? they stopped making masters series event finals 5 sets so that really dropped the chances of it by a bit. really cool that it's only happened so few times though and what? only a few times at Roland Garros or whatever

Paylu2007
09-17-2012, 01:39 AM
I remember a beautiful 5 setter on grass though :devil:

Freak3yman84
09-17-2012, 01:39 AM
those are irrevevant, Nadal is not a guy who plays doubles a lot, certainly not a doubles specialist, and in doubles matches your teammate can be the reason for your loss.

it's insane he's only been brought to that many sets a few times on clay HOWEVER let's remember that after what? 2005 or so? they stopped making masters series event finals 5 sets so that really dropped the chances of it by a bit. really cool that it's only happened so few times though and what? only a few times at Roland Garros or whatever

I'm just answering the initial question :shrug: Whether it matters or not, it still counts... We all know Nadal doesn't play much doubles, but it's good to include those ;)

Topspindoctor
09-17-2012, 01:57 AM
Still can't believe an all serve mug like Isner took Nadal to 5 in Paris. Lol. I was watching that match and it was terrible stuff by Nadal. Choked tie breaks and when serving for the match pushing like crazy. He got lucky Isner has no ground game to speak of :lol:

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
09-17-2012, 02:16 AM
how many times has he won a match after a MEDICAL TIMEOUT when he was losing?

hint hint- cheating

n8
09-17-2012, 03:21 AM
^Playing better after a medical time out is pretty much the whole point of a medical time out.

acionescu
09-17-2012, 04:36 AM
I remember a beautiful 5 setter on grass though :devil:


wimbledon final 2008?

GSMnadal
09-17-2012, 04:36 AM
I remember a beautiful 5 setter on grass though :devil:

That 2008 final really was something else, wasn't it?

GSMnadal
09-17-2012, 04:38 AM
wimbledon final 2008?

:yeah:

theseth1119
09-17-2012, 04:49 AM
Actually, just overall I think the Rogie-Rafa rilvary is the best ever. Over the past several decades no other players in their h2h's had 5 matches go 5 sets (usually only 1 or 2), but Rogie and Rafa had... 2005 Miami, 2006 Rome, 2007 Wimbledon, 2008 Wimbledon, and 2009 Australian Open each go 5 sets.