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Who is the highest ranked player that Serena Williams could defeat?

clokey34
09-08-2012, 02:46 AM
"Given that men are always quick to say women are a lot worse ... I'd love to see her play in a (lower-level) men's tournament and see how they deal with her. It's easy to talk. On the court, it would be different," the 10th-seeded Sara Errani said.

"I've practiced with a lot of guys ranked 400th or 500th," Errani explained. "I've never played with a man who hits as hard as she does."

Errani is one of the few people actually in a position to objectively assess this. Given her comments, would the top ranked women players be equivement to the mens: 300th, 200th, 100th?

Interesting discussion I think.

Freak3yman84
09-08-2012, 02:50 AM
This is a TF topic... But she did play against Karsten Braasch when he was ranked 203rd and was 15 years older than her and he smoked cigarettes and drank alcohol. He still beat Serena 6-1, therefore I think Serena could beat a player ranked somewhere around 500. People really underestimate the difference between Men's and Women's tennis skills.

Mountaindewslave
09-08-2012, 02:53 AM
like MAYBE MAYBE mens rank 40/50. when she was like 17 years of age she got decimated in that battle of the sexes by a veteran player who was half drunk and ranked like 205 and so did her sister. obviously she is a lot better now than she was then, she was so young and inexperienced at the time, BUT any top male player is going to destroy her. the womens tour does not play anywhere near the level of the mens. just watch the Del Potro/Djokovic match from the other night! they hit like 1/3 faster than the best women!

Serena looks impressive because the WTA is such a mess, but she could not beat any man above the top 40, maybe a bit higher if lucky. you are seriously underrating the extreme difference between the two tours. the depth may lack in the mens game comapared to how it once was but the womens game is much much worse in that department

clokey34
09-08-2012, 02:53 AM
But Errani has played against men and women.

clokey34
09-08-2012, 02:55 AM
FWIW, I think women tend to generally overestimate themselves versus men.

Slade
09-08-2012, 02:56 AM
Perhaps Andrey Golubash when he can't find the court :lol:

Mountaindewslave
09-08-2012, 02:56 AM
"Given that men are always quick to say women are a lot worse ... I'd love to see her play in a (lower-level) men's tournament and see how they deal with her. It's easy to talk. On the court, it would be different," the 10th-seeded Sara Errani said.

"I've practiced with a lot of guys ranked 400th or 500th," Errani explained. "I've never played with a man who hits as hard as she does."

Errani is one of the few people actually in a position to objectively assess this. Given her comments, would the top ranked women players be equivement to the mens: 300th, 200th, 100th?

Interesting discussion I think.

P.S I think the top women in general might equal the top 100 or 150 level men BUT Serena Wiliams exclusively obviously is so much better than her peers that she would get a bit higher rating. TBH though isn't the question sort of irrelevant? if it is unlikely that the best women's player could beat the 100th best mens player then the margin is SO WIDE that the question holds little merit. it's like comparing college basketball and NBA

Mountaindewslave
09-08-2012, 02:57 AM
But Errani has played against men and women.

400 or 500th best men and she said Serena hit harder than them. but what does that say? nothing. obviously Serena is better than a rank 500 man

LoveFifteen
09-08-2012, 02:58 AM
It also depends on the specific man. If he's a clay specialist and the match is on grass, maybe she'd do alright if he has a weak serve and a poor return. It depends on the specific guy's skills. Maybe she can beat the man ranked 379 but not the man ranked 392 because of his specific strengths/weaknesses.

Smoke944
09-08-2012, 02:59 AM
like MAYBE MAYBE mens rank 40/50. when she was like 17 years of age she got decimated in that battle of the sexes by a veteran player who was half drunk and ranked like 205 and so did her sister. obviously she is a lot better now than she was then, she was so young and inexperienced at the time, BUT any top male player is going to destroy her. the womens tour does not play anywhere near the level of the mens. just watch the Del Potro/Djokovic match from the other night! they hit like 1/3 faster than the best women!

Serena looks impressive because the WTA is such a mess, but she could not beat any man above the top 40, maybe a bit higher if lucky. you are seriously underrating the extreme difference between the two tours. the depth may lack in the mens game comapared to how it once was but the womens game is much much worse in that department

P.S I think the top women in general might equal the top 100 or 150 level men BUT Serena Wiliams exclusively obviously is so much better than her peers that she would get a bit higher rating. TBH though isn't the question sort of irrelevant? if it is unlikely that the best women's player could beat the 100th best mens player then the margin is SO WIDE that the question holds little merit. it's like comparing college basketball and NBA

:lol:

abraxas21
09-08-2012, 03:02 AM
400 or 500th best men and she said Serena hit harder than them. but what does that say? nothing. obviously Serena is better than a rank 500 man

:facepalm:

why is it that nadaltards always make the silliest statements?

Mountaindewslave
09-08-2012, 03:04 AM
:lol:

Serena Williams I think could beat a player ranked TOP 50 possibly mens tennis. the other top womens players are not even close to her level. they could not be the level that she could.

Serena Williams = possibly top 50

Other top WTA players = top 100

don't be a clown read, rather than point out false contradictions

emotion
09-08-2012, 03:04 AM
She would outhit, say, Hewitt, but he'd still beat her 6-0 6-1

Mountaindewslave
09-08-2012, 03:05 AM
:facepalm:

why is it that nadaltards always make the silliest statements?

you have to be kidding me if you don't think that Serena Williams would demolish a male player ranked in the hundreds :o seriously

abraxas21
09-08-2012, 03:06 AM
"I've practiced with a lot of guys ranked 400th or 500th," Errani explained. "I've never played with a man who hits as hard as she does."

thats because men take it easy with you, sweetie.

abraxas21
09-08-2012, 03:06 AM
you have to be kidding me if you don't think that Serena Williams would demolish a male player ranked in the hundreds :o seriously

:lol:

keep this going

Smoke944
09-08-2012, 03:07 AM
Serena Williams I think could beat a player ranked TOP 50 possibly mens tennis. the other top womens players are not even close to her level. they could not be the level that she could.

Serena Williams = possibly top 50

Other top WTA players = top 100

don't be a clown read, rather than point out false contradictions

Sad thing is I don't think you're trolling. Go watch some challengers sometime and you will see how clueless you are.

HKz
09-08-2012, 03:09 AM
Mountaindewslave saying asinine shit as usual. Serena may hit the ball hard, but I've played with plenty of pros ranked around 500-700 and there are plenty of great players, including big hitters. I mean Serena barely reaches what 120 MPH on her serve if that? Some of these 500-700 for example can still serve 130+ easily, and that is only the beginning of it.

Topspindoctor
09-08-2012, 03:11 AM
No one in the top 500. Possibly no one in the top 1000.

DJ Soup
09-08-2012, 03:24 AM
people seem to forget men and women play with different tennis balls

Ziros
09-08-2012, 03:36 AM
Didn't Roddick say on some talk show that in a McEnroe-Serena match,his money would still be on McEnroe even now as a 50+ year old...

uxyzapenje
09-08-2012, 03:36 AM
The funny thing is that that vetaran player than smoked was droping his rankings after that AO to under 500 and said that if they think they (Serena and Venus) can beat a player ranked outside of TOP500, he's wiling to play them next week :lol:
Joke aside, probably she could beat a few of the TOP400 on a their bad day and on her good day. And if you think guys from TOp500 and bunch of girls that can't hit hard enough, think again. Let's say Ilija Bozoljac who is ranked 376. would blow her of the court. And it also depends on the importance of the match. If it was an exho, then she could even compete with some top100 players, but in a Slam she would be lucky go beat some WC and get in to R2

Mountaindewslave
09-08-2012, 03:43 AM
Sad thing is I don't think you're trolling. Go watch some challengers sometime and you will see how clueless you are.

you're on drugs if any of you think that a rank 500 mens player would beat her. you're just 100% wrong if you are trying to say that any players in that range hit the ball as hard as she does and REMAIN consistant. it just is not true. there are players ranked in the top 100 who hit the ball weaker than her... that obviously is not the entirety of what matters in the sport but I am just blown that you all are saying this, your gauge meter on her is way TOO low and way TOO high on the 500 players. at 17 she only won 2 games against a veteran player who was ranked 200 NOT 500, but she is multiple times better than she was then.

I am not advocating the womens game is anywhere near the level of the mens, but to say that Serena Williams could not beat players beyond the top couple hundred in the mens game is just insulting

Ziros
09-08-2012, 03:43 AM
She could beat Karlovic 6-1,6-2 if there was no serving and games just started from a neutral position

Mountaindewslave
09-08-2012, 03:44 AM
:lol:

keep this going

it would be understandable, that being your opinion on the top 10 womens players, but Serena Williams is way out of the league of any other player in the WTA

Topspindoctor
09-08-2012, 03:47 AM
it would be understandable, that being your opinion on the top 10 womens players, but Serena Williams is way out of the league of any other player in the WTA


Please stop clowning :o this is one of the rare cases where abraxas is 100% correct

Smoke944
09-08-2012, 03:48 AM
you're on drugs if any of you think that a rank 500 mens player would beat her. you're just 100% wrong if you are trying to say that any players in that range hit the ball as hard as she does and REMAIN consistant. it just is not true. there are players ranked in the top 100 who hit the ball weaker than her... that obviously is not the entirety of what matters in the sport but I am just blown that you all are saying this, your gauge meter on her is way TOO low and way TOO high on the 500 players. at 17 she only won 2 games against a veteran player who was ranked 200 NOT 500, but she is multiple times better than she was then.

I am not advocating the womens game is anywhere near the level of the mens, but to say that Serena Williams could not beat players beyond the top couple hundred in the mens game is just insulting

anyone else want to take this one?

uxyzapenje
09-08-2012, 03:48 AM
you're on drugs if any of you think that a rank 500 mens player would beat her. you're just 100% wrong if you are trying to say that any players in that range hit the ball as hard as she does and REMAIN consistant. it just is not true. there are players ranked in the top 100 who hit the ball weaker than her... that obviously is not the entirety of what matters in the sport but I am just blown that you all are saying this, your gauge meter on her is way TOO low and way TOO high on the 500 players. at 17 she only won 2 games against a veteran player who was ranked 200 NOT 500, but she is multiple times better than she was then.

I am not advocating the womens game is anywhere near the level of the mens, but to say that Serena Williams could not beat players beyond the top couple hundred in the mens game is just insulting

You think they are ranked 'so' low bcs they can't hit the ball?? You think Rosol was ranked outside of TOP100 few months ago bcs he couldn't hit the ball? You think they don't work out or what? As I mentioned Bozoljac, you think Serena hits the ball harded then him? And pls tell who is the TOP50 guy that you think could lose to Serena?

MTwEeZi
09-08-2012, 03:50 AM
Mountainclownslave :rain:

uxyzapenje
09-08-2012, 03:51 AM
Please stop clowning :o this is one of the rare cases where abraxas is 100% correct

When you agrue with Topspindoctor and I agree with him completely, you know you are saying some :stupid: shit

Mark Lenders
09-08-2012, 03:52 AM
The ugly ballbashing mug would get double bageled by any male pro player playing seriously. Seriously, it's like a whole different sport, Serena might rule over his fellow brainless WTA ballbashers, but she has no chance against any ATP player , not even to get a game let alone a set or match.

LoveFifteen
09-08-2012, 03:57 AM
The ugly ballbashing mug would get double bageled by any male pro player playing seriously. Seriously, it's like a whole different sport, Serena might rule over his fellow brainless WTA ballbashers, but she has no chance against any ATP player , not even to get a game let alone a set or match.

Serena is not a ballbasher. Have you even watched her play a full match in the last 7 years?

Ziros
09-08-2012, 04:00 AM
The ugly ballbashing mug would get double bageled by any male pro player playing seriously. Seriously, it's like a whole different sport, Serena might rule over his fellow brainless WTA ballbashers, but she has no chance against any ATP player , not even to get a game let alone a set or match.
Clown post

jojoh07
09-08-2012, 04:07 AM
did i see that right

someone said she would matchup vs a top 50???


try top 1000

MalwareDie
09-08-2012, 04:11 AM
I don't remember where I read this, but I recall a top WTA player saying that she could not beat her brother (or maybe a relative's brother?), who was ranked around 800 on the ATP tour. Top WTA players would lose to ATP players outside of the Top 1000.

ballbasher101
09-08-2012, 04:18 AM
people seem to forget men and women play with different tennis balls


I suspect a few people don't know that. Serena would be crushed by any man in the top 1000.

DartMarcus
09-08-2012, 04:27 AM
Well I beat a girl ranked around 250 in WTA 6-1 6-2 having hangover and I haven't touched a racket for 3 weeks. That said, If I play somebody ranked 900-1000 in ATP I usually lose with the same scoreline. Go figure.

Thunder Hoad
09-08-2012, 04:28 AM
To be honest, in an exo you're taking away Serena's biggest advantage: her clutch play. In a exo or practice nobody would feel any pressure, Cilic would have beaten Murray in such a scenario. So if Serena played an ATPer (let's say no. 300) on some big stage (Ashe on a windy day) with something big on the line, it's not unlikely the male chokes and Serena elevates her game. Yes, it is not a realistic scenario unless Serena straight up entered a challenger and it somehow took place at Flushing Meadows.

DartMarcus
09-08-2012, 04:30 AM
As for Serena, I think she could be ranked around 500-600 in ATP.

MalwareDie
09-08-2012, 04:33 AM
I haven't been around all year, but Mountaindewslave and cveks should be very high seeds for the ACC, based on their peak clowning ability.

yellowboy906
09-08-2012, 04:43 AM
I like how people think just because Serena hits harder than some men, she could beat them. Although Serena is a very good mover on wta, she moves like an elephant on steroid. On a second thought no, she moves like a normal elephant compare to men. Do people really think that Serena could beat someone like a santoro just because she hits harder? SERIOUSLY? yes, I would still put my house on the santoro of today beating Serena. Even if he's only allow to slice and chip. Although that's kinda his game. In conclusion, any top 500 men tennis will beat Serena easy. I would say Serena is at the top 1000 range maybe.

Mark Lenders
09-08-2012, 04:44 AM
Serena is not a ballbasher. Have you even watched her play a full match in the last 7 years?

:spit: :superlol:

Are you kidding me? Her entire game consists of hitting the ball as hard as possible on every shot. That is enough to rule over her fellow brainless WTA ballbashers because she has more power than them. She can't overpower a pro male tennis player so she has no chance whatsoever.

Her ballbashing looks impressive on the WTA, but looks like slow motion hitting compared to how Nole and Delpo were hitting the ball yesterday for instance (but even low ranked players hit harder, Simon looks like a big power hitter in comparison to Serena).

Johnny Groove
09-08-2012, 04:46 AM
If she played some guy right now? I think she could beat a guy ranked 1000 or so, but it would be close.

If she trained legitimately and took a real shot on the men's tour consistently? I think 400 would be her absolute max.

But it is all speculation anyway.

MaxPower
09-08-2012, 04:47 AM
"I've practiced with a lot of guys ranked 400th or 500th," Errani explained. "I've never played with a man who hits as hard as she does."




Serena is just 175 cm and 68kg. Means many males have 15cm+ and 20kg+ on her. Men have about a 20% advantage even at equal weight due to lower fat percentage among other things.

Even the smallest guys like Rochus who is only 167 cm is still 65kg. I think even Rochus could match up vs Serenas "power"

Sara is simply talking bullshit to defend her own fiasco performance.

Serenas power is far from "special" from a male perspective. Among women it's obviously special but if some WTA stars spent less time looking in the mirror and more in the gym they'd match up better.

Haelfix
09-08-2012, 04:56 AM
First of all, I happen to know men (actually college players) who practised with Serena and Venus when they were younger, and be sure that the girls cannot match their power (and they were barely in the 400s at the time).

In general, any guy in the top 700 is going to be both faster, hit harder and more explosive than any top female pro. A top female might be able to hang with a 500-1000 by virtue of accuracy and point construction, but its a very tall order. The girls will even struggle against a top junior player.

Part of the reason Errani thinks that Serena hits so hard, is that they play with different balls than the men, but more than that, its very hard to simulate real life game speed in practise.

chammer44
09-08-2012, 04:56 AM
I don't remember where I read this, but I recall a top WTA player saying that she could not beat her brother (or maybe a relative's brother?), who was ranked around 800 on the ATP tour. Top WTA players would lose to ATP players outside of the Top 1000.

It was capriati. I believe the bro in question was said to be top 1500.

I've heard fed speak of the depth of the men's game. He admitted to being bullied around the court regularly by guys around top 200 during practice. But they can't maintain that level. At least not against goat.

Serena's vaunted power is at least partly owing to technology no? Doesn't she use a huge racquet head?

tribalfusion
09-08-2012, 05:06 AM
Every now and then on every tennis board this comes up. The main thing isn't just the power which is obvious.

It is the spins (the women barely use them) on the serves and groundstrokes and ESPECIALLY court coverage. The men would be returning supposed winners with interest more often than not.

paseo
09-08-2012, 05:48 AM
Serena Williams I think could beat a player ranked TOP 50 possibly mens tennis. the other top womens players are not even close to her level. they could not be the level that she could.

Serena Williams = possibly top 50

Other top WTA players = top 100

don't be a clown read, rather than point out false contradictions

you're on drugs if any of you think that a rank 500 mens player would beat her. you're just 100% wrong if you are trying to say that any players in that range hit the ball as hard as she does and REMAIN consistant. it just is not true. there are players ranked in the top 100 who hit the ball weaker than her... that obviously is not the entirety of what matters in the sport but I am just blown that you all are saying this, your gauge meter on her is way TOO low and way TOO high on the 500 players. at 17 she only won 2 games against a veteran player who was ranked 200 NOT 500, but she is multiple times better than she was then.

I am not advocating the womens game is anywhere near the level of the mens, but to say that Serena Williams could not beat players beyond the top couple hundred in the mens game is just insulting

Don't take this the wrong way, but if you really love tennis, I feel that it's at least worth the effort to understand it more. Because what you're saying here is just simply ridiculous.

BlueSwan
09-08-2012, 05:59 AM
Despite the fact that Serena is the best womens player on the tour, I don't think her game matches up against men very well at all. She wins because she hits harder and with more spin than the other WTA players. In other words her game is more like that of a man than the rest of the WTA tour. A weak man. Even outside the top 500 she would play men who did everything she did, only far better and with much better physique.

If anything, I think someone like Hingis would stand a somewhat better chance, simply because her game offers something different. i could potentially see a lowly ranked "headcase" lose against Hingis if he self-destructed. I don't see that happening against Serena because she just plays a poor version of a generic male game plan.

Mountaindewslave
09-08-2012, 06:05 AM
You think they are ranked 'so' low bcs they can't hit the ball?? You think Rosol was ranked outside of TOP100 few months ago bcs he couldn't hit the ball? You think they don't work out or what? As I mentioned Bozoljac, you think Serena hits the ball harded then him? And pls tell who is the TOP50 guy that you think could lose to Serena?

beyond how hard they hit the ball obviously, I am just illustrating the most common difference pointed out between the sexes in tennis. she serves fairly big, she moves around the court well, the only thing I can think of a top 500 tennis player being able to have that could trouble her is excess spin but even that I doubt. she herself said not long ago that she wasn't sure if she could beat players in the top 100, and that I understand. but 500? seriously? it's not like she's some schmuck, she serves well, moves well, plays confidently. if anyone had something to back this up it would be one thing, but to claim that from what you've 'seen' she would definitely lose to lower ranked mens players says nothing. and people bringing up examples like Rosol is ridiculous, we are talking about a journeyman who has limited game typically at rank 500 or a youngster who likely will never seriously develop his game. 500 is a big stretch from 100

Allez
09-08-2012, 06:08 AM
Not sure this topic belongs here, but Serena used to routine Roddick in their early teens before they went off on different paths. Who knows what women could achieve if there was only one mixed tour? Over time some women might even be able to sneak into the top 100. Clearly Serena would have been part of that elite few. Obviously it's too late for her to be expected to beat top 100 guys now but if she'd been brought up to compete in a mixed tour who knows what she may have been able to do ? She might have even managed to win a challenger or two. Would have dominated the futures circuit...probably leading that to evolve into a separate women's tour lol

Not sure why this topic always comes up (especially since it tends to attract sexist and racist trolls) while there is never any speculation about male players who might not even be able to cut it on the WTA. I can think of a few.

Smoke944
09-08-2012, 06:10 AM
Not sure this topic belongs here, but Serena used to routine Roddick in their early teens before they went off on different paths.


Irrelevant for a few reasons. Btw Roddick was nothing special at that age. Here's a picture of a guy that beat him then

http://www.nflpassers.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/saints-quarterback-drew-brees-warms-prior-facing-the-dallas-cowboys.jpeg

Who knows what women could achieve if there was only one mixed tour? Over time some women might even be able to sneak into the top 100. Clearly Serena would have been part of that elite few. Obviously it's too late for her to be expected to beat top 100 guys now but if she'd been brought up to compete in a mixed tour who knows what she may have been able to do ? She might have even managed to win a challenger or two. Would have dominated the futures circuit...probably leading that to evolve into a separate women's tour lol

Good ACC campaigning here, one of the silliest things I've seen on MTF in a while. If she'd have been brought up to compete in a mixed tour nothing would be different except maybe she could return men's serves slightly better. The simple fact is that competent futures players are all stronger, faster, serve as hard or harder, and hit with much more spin. Absolutely no contest.

Not sure why this topic always comes up (especially since it tends to attract sexist and racist trolls) while there is never any speculation about male players who might not even be able to cut it on the WTA. I can think of a few.

Yes, there are guys losing in futures qualies that couldn't cut it on the WTA. But past that, no...

Mountaindewslave
09-08-2012, 06:10 AM
I would understand some reactions on here given the general top of womens game, but if you look at how Serena Williams plays, whether it is the spots she hits or the speed/pace of her ball, or how clutch she is, numbers don't lie. certainly her competition plays a big role, but this is laughable that you all think a rank 500 mens player would beat her. when she was 17 she took 2 games off a rank 200 guy (maybe he was not 100% focused but whatever) in that exhbition and she is 5x the player she was then now, the logic is just so ill founded

Mountaindewslave
09-08-2012, 06:13 AM
Not sure this topic belongs here, but Serena used to routine Roddick in their early teens before they went off on different paths. Who knows what women could achieve if there was only one mixed tour? Over time some women might even be able to sneak into the top 100. Clearly Serena would have been part of that elite few. Obviously it's too late for her to be expected to beat top 100 guys now but if she'd been brought up to compete in a mixed tour who knows what she may have been able to do ? She might have even managed to win a challenger or two. Would have dominated the futures circuit...probably leading that to evolve into a separate women's tour lol

Not sure why this topic always comes up (especially since it tends to attract sexist and racist trolls) while there is never any speculation about male players who might not even be able to cut it on the WTA. I can think of a few.

at least you have a somewhat clear objective thought process--- it's totally skewed because no one can know for sure given how different the tours are, but Serena is mega talented and I also think that if there was a mixed tour she would be one of the few women with chances to break top 100

TBkeeper
09-08-2012, 06:18 AM
No one in the top 500. Possibly no one in the top 1000.

WoW T-doc this is the THIRD time we both think the same :eek:
Really this is the answer montaindewslave is just noob that don't understand the ABYSMALL differences between men's and women's tennis
Serina MAY hit harder than SOME of 150-50 but !!!!!!!!!! this means nothing ! Faster reactions ... faster changing of directions ... faster redirecting shots and SO MUCH MORE (thousands more) different i'm just wondered how can someone consider that SERINA could beat someone in TOP 100 this is ludicrous !

Tag
09-08-2012, 06:40 AM
errani is a fucking clown

'i've practiced with a few guys'

well i hope it was something other than tennis you were practicing, because it's fucking practice! they aren't going to play like that during a match

nadal hits flat shots, federer fannies around with a double handed backhand, murray plays playstation and djokovic just clowns around. it's practice, the word speaks for itself

serena is 30, past her prime and still winning. that says more about the WTA than her

she would be trashed by any guy in the top 1000

i don't know why this topic even exists in the first place. the only thing they have in common is racquets and a ball, otherwise they're two different sports, apples and oranges

Chase Visa
09-08-2012, 06:40 AM
She might be able to outhit some low ranked guys, but if she played regularly her ranking would be around ~500, probably worse.

If she was fitter though she might be able to challenge the Top 100/200 if she played on the ATP Tour regularly.

caisenma
09-08-2012, 06:42 AM
she'd have beaten federer the way he played against berdych.

Tag
09-08-2012, 06:44 AM
she'd have beaten federer the way he played against berdych.

behave

federer wouldn't be making those errors if they came off serena's racket instead of 1000% berdych's

Jverweij
09-08-2012, 06:49 AM
:facepalm:

I used to train with some really talented juniors. One boy and a girl. When I started training with them, the boy was 12, and the girl was 14. The girl was imo the more talented of the 2 and used to beat him. This all changed when the boy's physique started to change. He started completely blowing her off the court just because he hit so much harder. Right now, the girl is 17 and the boy just turned 15, but she'll be lucky to win a few games. Mind you, the boy is still quite small for his age..when he starts growing and develops more muscles, the girl won't win a single game.

This is just to illustrate what the difference in physique does to the game. Yes Serena is an exceptional female tennis player, but beating a guy from the top 1000? I don't think so.

keroni
09-08-2012, 06:52 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4djfwX-zUY

I think Serena at this level could hang, and have a chance against someone around ATP 50.

Tag
09-08-2012, 06:54 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4djfwX-zUY

I think Serena at this level could hang, and have a chance against someone around ATP 50.

add a few 0000s to that, certainly

TBkeeper
09-08-2012, 07:19 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4djfwX-zUY

I think Serena at this level could hang, and have a chance against someone around ATP 50.

LOL WUT ? :superlol:

finishingmove
09-08-2012, 07:36 AM
I'm thinking about this and... 500? Nah... 1000? Still not... Guy with limited weapons and going through a mental crisis? Still... Donald Young? Hell, even he'd praise God for giving him such a holiday opponent.

I really can't imagine... Probably someone self-destructing on a very bad day.

uxyzapenje
09-08-2012, 07:59 AM
beyond how hard they hit the ball obviously, I am just illustrating the most common difference pointed out between the sexes in tennis. she serves fairly big, she moves around the court well, the only thing I can think of a top 500 tennis player being able to have that could trouble her is excess spin but even that I doubt. she herself said not long ago that she wasn't sure if she could beat players in the top 100, and that I understand. but 500? seriously? it's not like she's some schmuck, she serves well, moves well, plays confidently. if anyone had something to back this up it would be one thing, but to claim that from what you've 'seen' she would definitely lose to lower ranked mens players says nothing. and people bringing up examples like Rosol is ridiculous, we are talking about a journeyman who has limited game typically at rank 500 or a youngster who likely will never seriously develop his game. 500 is a big stretch from 100

She serves big? Her serve would be Davydenko like on mens tour. Moves around the court? As somebody said, she would be moving like an elephant compared to the men. And why is bringing up Rosol ridiculous when you said she could compete with some TOP50 guys?? He's never been in top50. And you didn't answer my questions, do you think she hits the ball harded then Bozoljac who is a typical TOP400 player these days and who the hell is the top50 guy she could beat?

GSMnadal
09-08-2012, 08:00 AM
Someone ranked 500...on a bad day :unsure:

EddieNero
09-08-2012, 08:06 AM
I don't think she could beat any pro male player actually.

Litotes
09-08-2012, 08:08 AM
Someone ranked 500...on a bad day :unsure:

Something like this.

The difference between Men and Women seems underappreciated by some. No female ever, not even Graf, would be able to compete with contemporary Men unless there were something seriously wrong with them or they were genuinely far down the rankings. The Karsten Braasch-incident proved that ranked 300 kills the best Women very easily indeed even while having a glass or two inside.

Marcoo
09-08-2012, 08:08 AM
I'm not really sure of what to choose but i'd say between 100-200 :)

The Prince
09-08-2012, 08:08 AM
Anyone with an ATP rank would beat her comprehensively.

feuselino
09-08-2012, 08:12 AM
29th of November, 2009 on indoor hard:
Thomas Muster (42 years old) - Sybille Bammer (ranked 55 at that time): 6-3 6-2

Now let's look at the H2H of said Bammer against Serena Williams: 2-0 for Bammer
2007: Sybille Bammer (ranked 56) - Serena Williams: 3-6 7-5 6-3
2009: Sybille Bammer (ranked 29) - Serena Williams: 7-5 6-4


Now let's look at some of Muster's results at age 42, ALL ON CLAY:

Thomas Muster - Gianluca Naso (ranked 418): 3-6 4-6
Thomas Muster - Conor Niland (ranked 165): 2-6 1-6
Thomas Muster - Alessio Di Mauro (ranked 173): 3-6 2-6

Chris Kuerten
09-08-2012, 08:23 AM
Not this shit again :facepalm:

Serena is the only WTA player I like, but there are thousands of male players who could beat her.

henke007
09-08-2012, 08:44 AM
Simug

Fed fordawin
09-08-2012, 08:49 AM
Maybe she hits harder than top 500 players, but is she as fit, is she as constant in her game?

It's not a given she would win against these guys.

TigerTim
09-08-2012, 08:52 AM
She has more power than Murray. She could best a top 200 on a off day imo

Steelq
09-08-2012, 08:53 AM
Djordje Djokovic.

romismak
09-08-2012, 08:56 AM
This is hard to say, but i donīt think ranking is criterium here, she can beat someone like others mentioned - some clay-courters on grass or indoors on relatively fast HC in todayīs era, or vice versa, big server on clay-i am talking of course about lower ranked guys, she wouldnīt stand a chance vs anybody in top 100 at least. She can serve maybe better than some guys in top 100, even have more power on her groundstrokes but thatīs it, stamina, movememtn, speed wise she canīt compete with men so she would loose. But ranking to choose - say beloow this ranking she is better, or so is impossible to choose

1.- we canīt say exactly unless we see her play some man
2. it depends on surfaces and style of that player

for example i can see her loose vs some big server who is playing futures, or maybe challengers is really ranked low, but simply Serena donīt know what it means to face big server, because she is biggest server on WTA so if some guy whoīs game sucks, but can serve 135mph aces would play Serena indoors he can win say in tie-breaks, and can be really super low ranked.

tyruk14
09-08-2012, 08:56 AM
She could beat Federer.

At eating Mirka's brownies.

Marc23
09-08-2012, 09:05 AM
Patty Schnyder once beat 7:5 7:6 a male tennis player who was 889 in the world or something like that...

He was recently mentioned here on mtf,but can't remember his name...if anyone does,post...

mikeqq
09-08-2012, 09:11 AM
I would absolutely love to see her play a match against Roger Federer, and get absolutely destroyed 6-0 6-0, and the only points she can win are double faults by Federer.

GSMnadal
09-08-2012, 09:12 AM
I would absolutely love to see her play a match against Roger Federer, and get absolutely destroyed 6-0 6-0, and the only points she can win are backhand shanks by Federer.

fixed

Marc23
09-08-2012, 09:17 AM
Patty Schnyder once beat 7:5 7:6 a male tennis player who was 889 in the world or something like that...

He was recently mentioned here on mtf,but can't remember his name...if anyone does,post...

Here is a player that Patty Schnyder beat:

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Ma/P/Patrick-Mayr.aspx

I've read somewhere that spectators of that match were actually laughing to how bad he was playing!

It was in 2002 in St.Anton...

Patty also played a match against Daniel Kollerer in 2002 and lost 6:2 6:4

She also played against Thomas Schiessling ( the guy who once beat Marat Safin ) in 2004 and lost 6:1 6:3

He said after the match:

" A very funny situation playing a girl in front of such a big crowd. I havenīt played such a good girl before and Patty showed that she is a very smart player. For me it was nice training for national Championships and about the scorline you know it was an unusual situation, she plays different than the opponents I normally play and I needed time to get her game but her game couldnīt harm me or any other pro player, men just play too powerful for women. "

Allez
09-08-2012, 09:21 AM
Here is a player that Patty Schnyder beat:

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Ma/P/Patrick-Mayr.aspx

I've read somewhere that spectators of that match were actually laughing to how bad he was playing!

lol and some people claim Serena could never beat anyone inside the top 1000 :facepalm:

rocketassist
09-08-2012, 09:23 AM
lol and some people claim Serena could never beat anyone inside the top 1000 :facepalm:

Anyone taking the match remotely seriously, she couldn't.

Chris Kuerten
09-08-2012, 09:50 AM
lol and some people claim Serena could never beat anyone inside the top 1000 :facepalm:Sijsling beat Federer in an exhibition match too this year, is he the GOAT now :eek:?

Marc23
09-08-2012, 10:04 AM
lol and some people claim Serena could never beat anyone inside the top 1000 :facepalm:

At the time Patty beat this guy he was ranked 1150 ;)

But his highest ever ranking was something like 869...

TigerTim
09-08-2012, 10:05 AM
he only made $3800 pize money :eek:

Dr.Slice
09-08-2012, 10:06 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4djfwX-zUY

I think Serena at this level could hang, and have a chance against someone around ATP 50.

I'm not really sure of what to choose but i'd say between 100-200 :)

She has more power than Murray. She could best a top 200 on a off day imo

I would understand some reactions on here given the general top of womens game, but if you look at how Serena Williams plays, whether it is the spots she hits or the speed/pace of her ball, or how clutch she is, numbers don't lie. certainly her competition plays a big role, but this is laughable that you all think a rank 500 mens player would beat her. when she was 17 she took 2 games off a rank 200 guy (maybe he was not 100% focused but whatever) in that exhbition and she is 5x the player she was then now, the logic is just so ill founded

at least you have a somewhat clear objective thought process--- it's totally skewed because no one can know for sure given how different the tours are, but Serena is mega talented and I also think that if there was a mixed tour she would be one of the few women with chances to break top 100

you're on drugs if any of you think that a rank 500 mens player would beat her. you're just 100% wrong if you are trying to say that any players in that range hit the ball as hard as she does and REMAIN consistant. it just is not true. there are players ranked in the top 100 who hit the ball weaker than her... that obviously is not the entirety of what matters in the sport but I am just blown that you all are saying this, your gauge meter on her is way TOO low and way TOO high on the 500 players. at 17 she only won 2 games against a veteran player who was ranked 200 NOT 500, but she is multiple times better than she was then.

I am not advocating the womens game is anywhere near the level of the mens, but to say that Serena Williams could not beat players beyond the top couple hundred in the mens game is just insulting

like MAYBE MAYBE mens rank 40/50. when she was like 17 years of age she got decimated in that battle of the sexes by a veteran player who was half drunk and ranked like 205 and so did her sister. obviously she is a lot better now than she was then, she was so young and inexperienced at the time, BUT any top male player is going to destroy her. the womens tour does not play anywhere near the level of the mens. just watch the Del Potro/Djokovic match from the other night! they hit like 1/3 faster than the best women!

Serena looks impressive because the WTA is such a mess, but she could not beat any man above the top 40, maybe a bit higher if lucky. you are seriously underrating the extreme difference between the two tours. the depth may lack in the mens game comapared to how it once was but the womens game is much much worse in that department

Serena Williams I think could beat a player ranked TOP 50 possibly mens tennis. the other top womens players are not even close to her level. they could not be the level that she could.

Serena Williams = possibly top 50

Other top WTA players = top 100

don't be a clown read, rather than point out false contradictions

you have to be kidding me if you don't think that Serena Williams would demolish a male player ranked in the hundreds :o seriously

This is some comedy gold here. I don't think I have laughed so hard for quite a while.

Serena would get destroyed by any top 3000 male player.

That she could compete with a top 50 ranked male, yeah, sure, she would be lucky to win more than 3 points per set.

Andi-M
09-08-2012, 10:07 AM
I agree with the poster who mentioned the difference between an exho and a competitive match. When it comes to movement, agility, strength and power. Men will always had a physical advantage to women.

To put a number on the ranking would be difficult she could lose handily to a huge serving guy on grass who was ranked 800 or she could beat a claycourt specialist with a weak serve on grass ranked 400.

TigerTim
09-08-2012, 10:11 AM
tbh I think Serena could beat Federer if he played like he did vs. Berdych :shrug:

Helevorn
09-08-2012, 10:14 AM
serena is 30, past her prime and still winning. that says more about the WTA than her

she would be trashed by any guy in the top 1000

I really doubt that players such as Francesco Garzelli or Giorgio Portaluri could manage to win a set against Serena. Probably even Errani could beat them only by dropshots.

Dr.Slice
09-08-2012, 10:15 AM
tbh I think Serena could beat Federer if he played like he did vs. Berdych :shrug:

At what game? Pool? Bowling?

Fed=ATPTourkilla
09-08-2012, 10:16 AM
The poll options are too narrow. But I'll say that Serena could give rank 1000 a good game.

TigerTim
09-08-2012, 10:16 AM
At what game? Pool? Bowling?

don't be silly. A healthy Serena would be top. 5 imo

mikeqq
09-08-2012, 10:23 AM
Serena must be one of my least favorite female players.

Reason she totally lacks class and elegance. She so much more powerful than most of her opponents she comes across as almost man-like in a match.

Also she carries herself around with this extremely cocky attitude, and full of self-importance which she isn't afraid to show.

Lastly she comes across as extremely insincere, i.e. handshake at the net with a big fake & cocky smile.

paseo
09-08-2012, 11:00 AM
You know what? I change my mind. I now think Serena could beat Djokovic if he played like he did vs Del Potro.

Acer
09-08-2012, 11:04 AM
The woman is all serve, she moves like a cow. Do you really think she could compete with a male tennis player?

Hian-GOAT
09-08-2012, 11:24 AM
She would bagel Murray