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Federer in 2
08-03-2012, 08:30 PM
Fed in 3.

Smoke944
08-03-2012, 08:31 PM
For the sake of his career Murray absolutely needs to win this match.

MuzzahLovah
08-03-2012, 08:31 PM
Murray PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEE

EddieNero
08-03-2012, 08:32 PM
Fed will be too exhausted. Murray in 4.

doublebackhand
08-03-2012, 08:32 PM
Repeat! I have a feeling Murray will get his revenge..

br.w
08-03-2012, 08:32 PM
Hawt match i expect

HDW
08-03-2012, 08:32 PM
Fed. Murray will be on the losing end again.

Looner
08-03-2012, 08:32 PM
Whoever wins, tennis wins. I have found new respect for Muzzah. I will pull for Roger but definitely won't regret seeing Muzz.

Backhand_Maestro
08-03-2012, 08:33 PM
Repeat! I have a feeling Murray will get his revenge..

For sure.

Not happening twice in row; Murray has earnt his corn.

No tears, only dreams now.

LaFuria
08-03-2012, 08:34 PM
Murray in 3, tennis loses.

_Chaz
08-03-2012, 08:34 PM
This time Murray will win it, at least I have the feeling he will. He's playing even better than @ the Championships and Fed far worse. So actually there can only be one guy who gets gold on Sunday. Murray in 4.

Edit: Btw any weather forecast for Sunday? As a Fed fan of course I'll pray for rain.

jerrard
08-03-2012, 08:34 PM
Whoever wins, tennis wins. I have found new respect for Muzzah. I will pull for Roger but will def won't regret seeing Muzz.

this

GOAT = Fed
08-03-2012, 08:34 PM
Wait, so the final is best of 5?

Then Federer in 3 it is.

Lleyton_
08-03-2012, 08:35 PM
Hope Murray takes it. Olderer has a gold already.

MachineGun
08-03-2012, 08:35 PM
Whoever wins, tennis wins. I have found new respect for Muzzah. I will pull for Roger but will def won't regret seeing Muzz.

Just like me.

Murray has my respect now. (Even if I still don't like his on-court attitude)


I think Roger will make it in 4 again, though.

Pratik
08-03-2012, 08:36 PM
Federer in 5.
32-30 in the 5th :cool:

henke007
08-03-2012, 08:37 PM
Fed in 4 i hope but If Murray wins he wins atleast we got Silver and Wimbledon :)

ServeVolley
08-03-2012, 08:37 PM
Federer in five. 2-6 7-6 5-7 6-3 6-4

dencod16
08-03-2012, 08:37 PM
Win or Lose... Murray don't choke...

Federer&Hingis
08-03-2012, 08:38 PM
Depend on who Andy play with.

SHANKerer(Murray in 4 maybe 3) or GOATerer in 4

IOFH
08-03-2012, 08:39 PM
Have a feeling Murray will take this one in 4, Fed isn't playing as well as in Wimby. I'm never counting out post-prime version of JesusFed showing up and/or roof being closed, so Murray 4-5 to Fed 4-5 are all quite evenly possible.

Satasonic
08-03-2012, 08:40 PM
I said that Djokovic would win against murray, so that was a bit of a fail. However, I am quite certain that Murray will fold and fail to trouble Federer :shrug:

Federer 6-4 6-4 7-5 :wavey:

Pratik
08-03-2012, 08:40 PM
Fed will be too exhausted. Murray in 4.

It should not make much of a difference.
Murray has a mixed doubles match tomorrow. and another one if he wins that.
Federer can't be more tired with a day off if Murray has had two matches the previous day

superslam77
08-03-2012, 08:41 PM
oops i ment fed in 4, forgot it was 5 sets

grepman
08-03-2012, 08:42 PM
Depend on who Andy play with.

SHANKerer(Murray in 4 maybe 3) or GOATerer in 4

This !

duong
08-03-2012, 08:43 PM
I think Murray will win this time,

and it might be great for his mental, I think.

Anyway whoever wins I'll be happy for him for different reasons :D

Corey Feldman
08-03-2012, 08:44 PM
Muzza's gonna get him this time

we all know it

Smoke944
08-03-2012, 08:45 PM
If the roof is open Fed is in serious trouble.

duong
08-03-2012, 08:45 PM
Have a feeling Murray will take this one in 4, Fed isn't playing as well as in Wimby.

he plays better than during most of Wimbly, but the surface is drier, it's less like grass.

The Fearhand
08-03-2012, 08:46 PM
Fed in 4. Same as Wimbledon final except Fed will take first set, 2nd set and lose third and finally win 4th set.

Fed will be in form here and take the gold.

bokehlicious
08-03-2012, 08:46 PM
Fed should pull off a Rosset and take gold in front of a homeboy. Plus like in 92 it'll be the only medal for SUI :facepalm:

BlueSwan
08-03-2012, 08:46 PM
It should not make much of a difference.
Murray has a mixed doubles match tomorrow. and another one if he wins that.
Federer can't be more tired with a day off if Murray has had two matches the previous day
Not true. Playing a couple of hours a day is nothing for these guys. Suddenly playing almost 5 hours in one stretch takes a massive toll on your body.

The Fearhand
08-03-2012, 08:47 PM
If the roof is open Fed is in serious trouble.

On BBC they said they're expecting rain next 2 days so...with closed roof Fed in 3 with open roof Fed in 4.

Xristos
08-03-2012, 08:47 PM
Rog in 5.

Moozza
08-03-2012, 08:48 PM
Murray in 4. Just hope he doesn't have to play 2 doubles matches tommorow.

RogerFan82
08-03-2012, 08:48 PM
Will be tight. Roger has been nervous throughout the tournament but still clutched it out somehow. Murray has been excellent.

It will be 4 sets but not sure who will be the winner.

Julián Santiago
08-03-2012, 08:48 PM
Federer in 4

rocketassist
08-03-2012, 08:49 PM
A long match and I think Andy wins it. Fed will need to hold his serve comfortably and not extract too much energy. I reckon Federer in 4 but if it goes to 5 it's Andy's IMO.

Fed should pull off a Rosset and take gold in front of a homeboy. Plus like in 92 it'll be the only medal for SUI :facepalm:

Rosset's victory was absolutely amazing, definitely the GOAT moment in Olympic tennis history. :bowdown:

IOFH
08-03-2012, 08:49 PM
he plays better than during most of Wimbly, but the surface is drier, it's less like grass.

I meant after his back problems as his important WImby level, as in from QFs. It could be the surface but still the outcome is the same, it's tilted more to Murray's favour than in Wimby.

guga2120
08-03-2012, 08:50 PM
Andy in 5.

The Fearhand
08-03-2012, 08:50 PM
Not true. Playing a couple of hours a day is nothing for these guys. Suddenly playing almost 5 hours in one stretch takes a massive toll on your body.

Depends on the player.
For Nadal or Djo yes but not Fed...he plays so effortlessly and dictates the game which keeps him fresh especially on grass.

duong
08-03-2012, 08:52 PM
Edit: Btw any weather forecast for Sunday? As a Fed fan of course I'll pray for rain.

few showers in the beginning of the afternoon then sunny, a little bit like what they expected for today in the beginning, we will see, it's uncertain, depends on the schedule as well (they also have to play bronze medal match and women's doubles and mixed doubles' finals)

http://uk.weather.com/weather/hourByHour-London-UKXX0085?dayNum=0&flag=3

Matt01
08-03-2012, 08:52 PM
If he loses again :facepalm:

IOFH
08-03-2012, 08:52 PM
On BBC they said they're expecting rain next 2 days so...with closed roof Fed in 3 with open roof Fed in 4.


They did?

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpxixk2mFd1qjw7iw.gif

Pratik
08-03-2012, 08:54 PM
Not true. Playing a couple of hours a day is nothing for these guys. Suddenly playing almost 5 hours in one stretch takes a massive toll on your body.

I agree with that.
But, if Murray ends up playing two matches tomorrow, their levels should not be too different on Sunday. Federer also has had the 3-4 extra hours today. And even though he won in straights,Murray looked positively exhausted at the end of his match. So, all put together, fatigue should not play a factor in the final.

cardio
08-03-2012, 08:55 PM
Murka had played better tennis than Fed in this tournament, but we all know his bad habit to fold in big finals. To overcome this mental block is probably harder than outplay Fed on court. If he can keep his head cool and game aggressive, he has a real good chance here. Physically he is probably less tired than Fed., if goes into fifth, he has advatage.

TheWall
08-03-2012, 08:55 PM
Hoping for an epic 5-setter.

guga2120
08-03-2012, 08:55 PM
If he loses again :facepalm:

If he plays the way he did today, he will not lose. If he gets passive like he did in the last few sets at Wimbledon, he will lose, yet again in a final.

Pratik
08-03-2012, 08:55 PM
They did?

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpxixk2mFd1qjw7iw.gif

:superlol:

duong
08-03-2012, 08:56 PM
Depends on the player.
For Nadal or Djo yes but not Fed...he plays so effortlessly and dictates the game which keeps him fresh especially on grass.

if so why does he have such a poor record in 5-setters ?

why did he lose to Tsonga and Djokovic last year after leading 2 sets to love ?

funny that until recently people said "Fed is finished for 5-setters" and now some go to the absolute opposite.

OF course Fed gets tired like all the players :shrug:

As for Murray, with Robson they will probably be defeated by Hewitt-Stosur anyway, and even if he plays two doubles, that's not such an important effort except if he plays 18-16 like Llodra-Tsonga.

The Fearhand
08-03-2012, 09:00 PM
They did?

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpxixk2mFd1qjw7iw.gif

I don't think it'll matter that much I think Fed was just coasting through and I have a feeling he is going to play in god mode in the finals this is one of his most desired finals ever he so wants that olympic gold and when Fed wants something BAD he takes it.

How cool would it be if Fed won his gold in front of Brits playing against a Brit ?
No offense to Brits but that'd be such a BOSS thing to do and if there's one player that can do that it's Fed. Seeing all those faces...priceless.

branimir_iliev
08-03-2012, 09:01 PM
I have a new respect for Andy Murray too. May the better player win on Sunday.
But look, for Federer fans, silver is not dishonorable or "bad" by any means, especially considering the epic match he just had against Delpo. He's playing for gold but is at minimum assured a silver + the #1 ranking at least until Cincy. And I think Roger has a good chance to be ranked #1 at USO now.

Djokovic may do the dumb thing and defend Rogers. Then plays Cincy and by the time USO rolls around he'll be a little burned out. Nadal will be rusty in Cincy. If Fed heads into Flushing Meadows with the #1 ranking he may give himself a good chance for a 2nd major this year. Imo, I'd take another USO > gold medal. But we'll see, I guess.. Hoping for a great final on Sunday before all other considerations.
And congrats Andy!!

Ben.
08-03-2012, 09:03 PM
If Murray plays with the same dogged determination as he did today, I expect him to win.

MalwareDie
08-03-2012, 09:05 PM
If Federer's groundgame is going to be off like it had been during the 2009 Wimbledon final against Roddick, or the recent semifinal match against Del Potro, Murray will have a very good chance of winning this.

cardio
08-03-2012, 09:09 PM
if so why does he have such a poor record in 5-setters ?

why did he lose to Tsonga and Djokovic last year after leading 2 sets to love ?

funny that until recently people said "Fed is finished for 5-setters" and now some go to the absolute opposite.

OF course Fed gets tired like all the players :shrug:

As for Murray, with Robson they will probably be defeated by Hewitt-Stosur anyway, and even if he plays two doubles, that's not such an important effort except if he plays 18-16 like Llodra-Tsonga.
There is no advantage set rule in mixed doubles, instead of 3rd set they actually play long tiebreaker until 10 points.

HKz
08-03-2012, 09:09 PM
Federer should not be exhausted at all. He has had plenty of rest prior to the Olympics and not to mention, he will get a whole day of rest prior to the final. Murray playing great, but what he has to overcome are

1. Federer on grass playing at his best venue
2. Federer over best of 5 sets

Murray played well at Wimbledon, but the fact that it was best of 5, it seemed like too large of a hurdle. Remember, he has only taken 1 set off Federer the 3 times they played at the slams, and you have to say that Federer has somewhat figured Murray out the past few years, as he has turned the H2H almost back in his favor.

Both should be very nervous for this chance, kind of like that first set at Wimbledon a few weeks ago, however, I think there might be some pressure off their shoulders knowing that they will get a medal regardless of the outcome. Plus, Murray has a tendency to play worse in finals while Federer is arguably one of the very best at bringing his top form in finals.

Going with Federer in 4.

The Fearhand
08-03-2012, 09:10 PM
if so why does he have such a poor record in 5-setters ?

why did he lose to Tsonga and Djokovic last year after leading 2 sets to love ?

funny that until recently people said "Fed is finished for 5-setters" and now some go to the absolute opposite.

OF course Fed gets tired like all the players :shrug:


You're not making any sense. I never said Fed didn't get tired duh his game relies less on his athleticism like Nadal and therefore would be less tired as the game moves on. Your argument as to him having a poor record in 5 setters is not an efficient one because there are so many circumstances that effect that. Here's one interesting stat for you that backs up my statement...Roger has won his last 2 5 set matches and both he was down 0-2 in sets and looked fresher, physically better in shape as the game progressed. For the past 6 years he only lost mostly to Nadal in 5 setters followed by Djo and 1 to delpo and 1 Tsonga and it had little to with his fitness and more to do with his mental ability at that moment, his unforced errors, his form etc.

Roy Emerson
08-03-2012, 09:11 PM
Federer

Fedexex
08-03-2012, 09:11 PM
Lets seal the deal Roger. Just win this match.

The Fearhand
08-03-2012, 09:12 PM
Federer should not be exhausted at all. He has had plenty of rest prior to the Olympics and not to mention, he will get a whole day of rest prior to the final. Murray playing great, but what he has to overcome are

1. Federer on grass playing at his best venue
2. Federer over best of 5 sets

Murray played well at Wimbledon, but the fact that it was best of 5, it seemed like too large of a hurdle. Remember, he has only taken 1 set off Federer the 3 times they played at the slams, and you have to say that Federer has somewhat figured Murray out the past few years, as he has turned the H2H almost back in his favor.

Both should be very nervous for this chance, kind of like that first set at Wimbledon a few weeks ago, however, I think there might be some pressure off their shoulders knowing that they will get a medal regardless of the outcome.

Going with Federer in 4.

I could not have said it better myself.

branimir_iliev
08-03-2012, 09:14 PM
If Federer's groundgame is going to be off like it had been during the 2009 Wimbledon final against Roddick, or the recent semifinal match against Del Potro, Murray will have a very good chance of winning this.

I'd like to see your groundgame be on when someone is hammering 90mph fh/bh bombs all over the court in addition to consistently powerful, heavy serves. It's hard to get into a baseline rhythm against the likes of Isner, Delpo. Not saying Fed will beat Murray but it's hard to expect Fed to get into a comfortable baseline rhythm against bangers like Isner, Delpo. Hopefully, he'll pick this aspect of his game up for the final though.

misty1
08-03-2012, 09:20 PM
I feel like andy can win this one if he doesnt let the occasion get to him

electronicmusic
08-03-2012, 09:20 PM
Weather forecast: http://uk.weather.com/weather/dailyDetails-London-UKXX0085?dayNum=2

Allez
08-03-2012, 09:23 PM
Guys tied at 8 all in the H2H. No surprise whoever wins...but we need the gold!

shadows
08-03-2012, 09:25 PM
Should be an easy gold for GB vs an exhausted olderer.

Don't let the nation down again

rocketassist
08-03-2012, 09:26 PM
If he loses again :facepalm:

If he loses again and it's too much for you, go and support someone else.

hipolymer
08-03-2012, 09:27 PM
Fed will be too exhausted. Murray in 4.

exhausted from a four hour match? :facepalm:

Burrow
08-03-2012, 09:28 PM
I'd like to see your groundgame be on when someone is hammering 90mph fh/bh bombs all over the court in addition to consistently powerful, heavy serves. It's hard to get into a baseline rhythm against the likes of Isner, Delpo. Not saying Fed will beat Murray but it's hard to expect Fed to get into a comfortable baseline rhythm against bangers like Isner, Delpo. Hopefully, he'll pick this aspect of his game up for the final though.

He had no problems dealing with such power during his prime.

And yes, there were men who hit the ball very hard during those years.

JanKowalski
08-03-2012, 09:29 PM
Fed needs to forget this is the Olympics, he needs to think it's another Wimbledon. Will be hard, crowd will be wild in favour of Murray. I think Murray takes it this time.

manadrainer
08-03-2012, 09:29 PM
I have got a feeling Murray will win it this time. Three reasons:

1) Fed is playing worse.

2) Murray is playing better.

Last but definitely not least...

3) this is NOT a slam final.

I hope Roger can win it though, he seems to care so much about this event...

LastRocket
08-03-2012, 09:31 PM
Fed in 4

hipolymer
08-03-2012, 09:33 PM
Anyway, hopefully Federer in 3. I cannot stand Murray's disgusting face.

JanKowalski
08-03-2012, 09:35 PM
He had no problems dealing with such power during his prime.

And yes, there were men who hit the ball very hard during those years.

1. He's not in his prime anymore.
2. Nobody ever hit as hard as Del Potro consistently. Gonzo could hit a lightning forehand from time to time and not miss, but Del Potro does it regularly.

DJ Soup
08-03-2012, 09:38 PM
It's raining on sunday
MHUAHAUAHAUAHUAHAUAHHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!

alter ego
08-03-2012, 09:50 PM
Deja vu, Fed in 4.

duong
08-03-2012, 09:51 PM
I'd like to see your groundgame be on when someone is hammering 90mph fh/bh bombs all over the court in addition to consistently powerful, heavy serves. It's hard to get into a baseline rhythm against the likes of Isner, Delpo. Not saying Fed will beat Murray but it's hard to expect Fed to get into a comfortable baseline rhythm against bangers like Isner, Delpo. Hopefully, he'll pick this aspect of his game up for the final though.

exactly ! he especially had huge problems with Del Po's serves today, and Murray's serve is not as big of a problem.

I picked Murray to win on sunday but I really think people underrated Fed's level today.

samanosuke
08-03-2012, 09:53 PM
I mean, I want Fed to win badly but even if Murray wins it won't be tragedy. After all huge defeats Murray is coming back again and again, deserves something at the end , something in front of his own public. Murray has a real chance, Fed survived all kind of shits in last month, has to stop somewhere

Allez-Ollie
08-03-2012, 09:56 PM
Rain forecast so roof will be closed and Fed wins again:yippee: maybe in 5 sets this time as Murray is playing well.

Corey Feldman
08-03-2012, 09:56 PM
rain on Sunday?

Rooferer :scared:

Fed must be tired, but i never remember him ever losing from tiredness in a big final before, what an amazing beast of a man.

Le_Bousier
08-03-2012, 09:57 PM
Has anyone noticed that it's probably going to be Switzerland's first olympic medal?

Wow...so much pressure on Roger's shoulders. I am afraid he won't cope with it.

Pratik
08-03-2012, 10:02 PM
Rainerer/Rooferer in 3

Else
Federer in 5

henke007
08-03-2012, 10:06 PM
Rooferer :haha::umbrella:

browniebrush
08-03-2012, 10:07 PM
He had no problems dealing with such power during his prime.

And yes, there were men who hit the ball very hard during those years.
Been watching tennis for years and have NEVER EVER seen anyone hit the ball as hard as Delpo...

green25814
08-03-2012, 10:13 PM
I want Andy to win, but if the roof comes down Federer is almost a lock, he's unbeatable in those conditions.

Moose Limb
08-03-2012, 10:15 PM
If Andy Murray loses this match he will be, in my mind at least, the biggest under-performing, choking, under-achieving, mug of a player that this planet has ever seen.

Some guy earlier:

"Murray, dude, you just handed it to Novak, Roger is coming off a marathon match and is not as physically fit as you. Bro, if you lose this match just retire, man."

I kinda have to concur with "some guy earlier." It'll be truly FARCICAL to see Murray play like a God against Novak only to Mugrray it up in the Final. Come on Andy, you can DOES it!

On another note, if the SCHIZO crowd at Centre Court is any LESS supportive of Murray against Federer than they were against Djokovic I will be irked. Drowning out the Fed Fans better be happening.

Corey Feldman
08-03-2012, 10:17 PM
Fed 1 win away from holding London Masters Cup, Wimbledon, London Olympic singles Gold

Le_Bousier
08-03-2012, 10:20 PM
I would rather watch Delpo take it from Roger beating him in straights in the SF than swallow a Mugray victory on Sunday.
It seems like the moral winner of the tournament was taken from the first semi match. Whoever won this match would have been a worthy gold medalist.

I expect another Federer victory if there's any supreme justice in the world.

green25814
08-03-2012, 10:24 PM
If Andy Murray loses this match he will be, in my mind at least, the biggest under-performing, choking, under-achieving, mug of a player that this planet has ever seen.

Some guy earlier:

"Murray, dude, you just handed it to Novak, Roger is coming off a marathon match and is not as physically fit as you. Bro, if you lose this match just retire, man."

I kinda have to concur with "some guy earlier." It'll be truly FARCICAL to see Murray play like a God against Novak only to Mugrray it up in the Final. Come on Andy, you can DOES it!

On another note, if the SCHIZO crowd at Centre Court is any LESS supportive of Murray against Federer than they were against Djokovic I will be irked. Drowning out the Fed Fans better be happening.
This is retarded, Fed is the greatest player ever. I'm sure Andy will put everything into the match but sometimes Federer just has too much for him and there's nothing he can do. Particularly indoors.

Matt01
08-03-2012, 10:37 PM
If he loses again and it's too much for you, go and support someone else.


I will have to think about that, yes, because I don't like mentally unstable players who always bend over to Fed in big finals.

Moozza
08-03-2012, 10:41 PM
Really hope it does not rain. If the roof is closed it is 99% likely Federer will win. Open, and it's anyones match.

Moozza
08-03-2012, 10:44 PM
If Andy Murray loses this match he will be, in my mind at least, the biggest under-performing, choking, under-achieving, mug of a player that this planet has ever seen.

Some guy earlier:

"Murray, dude, you just handed it to Novak, Roger is coming off a marathon match and is not as physically fit as you. Bro, if you lose this match just retire, man."

I kinda have to concur with "some guy earlier." It'll be truly FARCICAL to see Murray play like a God against Novak only to Mugrray it up in the Final. Come on Andy, you can DOES it!

On another note, if the SCHIZO crowd at Centre Court is any LESS supportive of Murray against Federer than they were against Djokovic I will be irked. Drowning out the Fed Fans better be happening.

3 of those 4 finals have been lost to the GOAT. The other was lost to a guy having the GOAT year. This is NOT choking, just losing to the better player.

branimir_iliev
08-03-2012, 10:49 PM
Hate to say all this as a Federer fan but I have a bad feeling about Sunday. I think Murray will finally break through on a big stage. Not because Murray is all of a sudden 'the favorite' on grass against Federer but because this would be the Scot's most opportune moment to date to actually win a Big One against the Swiss. This could be the breakthrough he's been looking for and probably will get. If he wins gold, he may go off on a Novakesque 2011 type of tear next year. I hope not, lol, but it's certainly feasible.

Why?

Well, because Federer is coming off of a grueling slugfest with Del Potro. His shoulders and back must be feeling it right now. We also have to factor in that Federer is pushing 31 and played a couple of doubles (both 3 setters) this past week as well. The home crowd sounds even more hysterically patriotic this time around and will back Murray even louder. Murray has that belief now because he just beat Djokovic in the Olympic semi. He is younger and fresher than Roger. And Roger seemed a little too glad that he is at the very least guaranteed a silver in his post-match interview. He seems satiated already, while Murray is at his hungriest. This makes Federer ripe for an assassination. It seems like the stars have finally aligned for Murray. What do you guys think? Will the King fall in hostile territory, Wimby Part Two: Revenge of the Scot?

Travod
08-03-2012, 10:51 PM
Federer has a whole day to recover, why would he be exhausted?

DJ Soup
08-03-2012, 10:51 PM
shhh, Fed is resting till sunday

Travod
08-03-2012, 10:51 PM
No.

buddyholly
08-03-2012, 10:52 PM
If he is too tired to play in Toronto, he should not be allowed to play on Sunday.

Li Ching Yuen
08-03-2012, 10:53 PM
I guess at the end of the day it's still better than losing and that costing him the bronze.

HKz
08-03-2012, 10:54 PM
1. Gets a day of rest, not to mention plenty of rest prior to the Olympics
2. Playing Murray over best of 5
3. Playing on grass
4. He has only played a few matches, this is much less grueling than a slam. He sure was exhausted after beating Benny :rolleyes:
5. This has been "exhausted" in all the other Federer threads we've had today. Not sure why a new thread needed to be created when this was already being discussed.

branimir_iliev
08-03-2012, 10:54 PM
No.

I love your confidence. 'Overconfidence', some may say. ;)

branimir_iliev
08-03-2012, 10:56 PM
I guess at the end of the day it's still better than losing and that costing him the bronze.

Good point.

viruzzz
08-03-2012, 10:57 PM
Murray could win because he's a talented player and he's playing better ATM.

Time will tell

finishingmove
08-03-2012, 10:57 PM
If he is too tired to play in Toronto, he should not be allowed to play on Sunday.

In fact, you'd think he would not be able to play on Sunday at all.

branimir_iliev
08-03-2012, 11:02 PM
1. Gets a day of rest, not to mention plenty of rest prior to the Olympics
2. Playing Murray over best of 5
3. Playing on grass
4. He has only played a few matches, this is much less grueling than a slam. He sure was exhausted after beating Benny :rolleyes:
5. This has been "exhausted" in all the other Federer threads we've had today. Not sure why a new thread needed to be created when this was already being discussed.

Good points. Some of these matches have been back-to-backs though. And what did you make of Fed's post-match interview? He seemed almost satisfied with assuring himself a medal, if not gold. Is that indicative of his mindset prior to the final?

As regards your last point, I'm sorry if I'm being somewhat redundant here with this new thread but I wanted to get some thoughts on specifically this angle, that now may be the perfect time if ever for Murray to get Federer on grass on the big stage due to said reasons.

Slice Winner
08-03-2012, 11:03 PM
If he is too tired to play in Toronto, he should not be allowed to play on Sunday.

derp

mindrust
08-03-2012, 11:06 PM
1. Gets a day of rest, not to mention plenty of rest prior to the Olympics
2. Playing Murray over best of 5
3. Playing on grass
4. He has only played a few matches, this is much less grueling than a slam. He sure was exhausted after beating Benny :rolleyes:
5. This has been "exhausted" in all the other Federer threads we've had today. Not sure why a new thread needed to be created when this was already being discussed.

Agree with everything.My only concern is that though Fed's serve was solid today,his baseline game was very erratic at times,unlike Wimbledon.If he ups his level a notch,I don't see this going beyond four :).

rocketassist
08-03-2012, 11:07 PM
I will have to think about that, yes, because I don't like mentally unstable players who always bend over to Fed in big finals.

Very damning quote that.

Looner
08-03-2012, 11:10 PM
If he is too tired to play in Toronto, he should not be allowed to play on Sunday.

You'd be right if not for the fact Roger's a Spartan who is ready to bring glory to his country. What a man :worship:.

Sanya
08-03-2012, 11:48 PM
It smells like revenge and Murray in 4-5, but how many times it was all the same old story till last stage of big event with Andy? Can`t believe in him here, Roger in 4. But if he wins, next time when he`ll play against top-3 (even in Slam final) I`ll not wright him down. And maybe even support guy. :)

Smoke944
08-03-2012, 11:50 PM
Mikey doing this in his living room at the the thought of this final

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1268566/awwyeah.gif

Looner
08-03-2012, 11:50 PM
Roger needs a good start this time or else Muzz might be too difficult. I hope it rains.

outrider
08-04-2012, 12:06 AM
Murray has to save us all so i'll say Murray in 4 ! :worship:

latso
08-04-2012, 12:08 AM
Whoever wins, tennis wins. I have found new respect for Muzzah. I will pull for Roger but will def won't regret seeing Muzz.
Kinda +1

and i say "kinda" only coz i would regret Roger losing his best oportunity for a gold at OGs.

But still i'd prefer him losjng to Muzza than pretty much anyone else in the potential adversaries at such a stage.

Anyways, it must be tougher for both compared to last week, the roof would be a major part of the final result and at the end i hope Roger wins it. There are no reasons for anything different to happen just a week later in a less demanding physically tournament.

Brick Top
08-04-2012, 12:09 AM
Give me Nadole any day over this :o
Murray for the win

Looner
08-04-2012, 12:12 AM
Give me Nadole any day over this :o
Murray for the win

http://gifs.gifbin.com/1233008329_9d79918.gif

There you go. Enjoy and leave tennis fans to enjoy a wonderful grass final.

DJ Soup
08-04-2012, 12:14 AM
that's funny

We had Nadole
Now it's Fedray

Expect Fedpotro by USO

The Prince
08-04-2012, 12:16 AM
Federer will always be my favourite top player, but I'm sorry to say that Team GB is more important than him. We need those gold medals to keep us third in the medal table. We need to beat the Aussies. Go Andy!!!

Brick Top
08-04-2012, 12:16 AM
that's funny

We had Nadole
Now it's Fedray

Expect Fedpotro by USO

I wouldnt mind that :)

Sham Kay
08-04-2012, 12:18 AM
Either way someone is ending the others career right here.

King Mandy in 2

Andi-M
08-04-2012, 12:25 AM
Mentally I dont think Murray would have a problem, I think he believes he can beat Federer, and i dont think he will be intimidated by the ocassion.

Conditions may well be the biggest factor in this one, indoor conditions will favor Fed, outdoor suuny breezy conditions will favor the player who hits with a biggr margin for error.

If Peak Fed shows up for 3 sets, Andy won't win. If Fed plays as he has this week and Andy plays as he has this week I'd say Murray has a damn good chance of winning and may do it in 3.

Prediction indoors- Fed in 4
Outdoors Murray in 4

Chase Visa
08-04-2012, 12:29 AM
Fed in 4.

moon language
08-04-2012, 12:30 AM
It's not a slam, so I think Murray might win this one.

eskinol
08-04-2012, 12:31 AM
So actually there can only be one guy who gets gold on Sunday

You lie!

eskinol
08-04-2012, 12:37 AM
that's funny

We had Nadole
Now it's Fedray




Surely it should be Murderer!

yesyesok
08-04-2012, 12:50 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/sw19

Rain forecast all day on Sunday.

Federer in 3.

Sanya
08-04-2012, 12:54 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/sw19

Rain forecast all day on Sunday.

Federer in 3.

Weatherer/Rainerer :worship:

Smoke944
08-04-2012, 12:54 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/sw19

Rain forecast all day on Sunday.

Federer in 3.

Yup, GSM Fed.

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
08-04-2012, 12:55 AM
tennis wins
want murray to win
but want federer to win

so much HYPE for this match


tennis has been so good this summer

a year that will never be forgotten

Thanos
08-04-2012, 12:58 AM
federer the greatest of all time, this murray shouldn't even show up to the match.

federer will win easily without breaking a sweat.

cmoss
08-04-2012, 01:07 AM
It's heavily depend on the condition.:o

If the weather is calm or rainy/the roof is closed,Fed will win.

If it's sunny and windy like the Delpo match(more likely),I'd say Murray.

BigJohn
08-04-2012, 01:12 AM
Tennis has already won.

sco
08-04-2012, 01:29 AM
After all Fed's won, you'd think that every title now is just icing on the cake. Dude, you seriously need to relax. He's probably going to lose , not because he's tired, but because he chokes it away. Can't believe how nervous he was today, much less in the Finals. Form in the previous matches means nothing. In W SF, Fed's serve was great and in the SF, it was the net game. If it rains or Fed wakes up on the right side of the bed, he'll win - meaning it's on Fed's racquet, not Murray's.

MuzzahLovah
08-04-2012, 01:36 AM
What is the forcast for Sunday? Will the weather gods cooperate and or do I have to pray the rain away?

Johnny Groove
08-04-2012, 01:41 AM
Don't really care either way, to be honest. Murray I guess, but I'll be cool either way.

Arkulari
08-04-2012, 02:36 AM
Murray played very well against Nole but the conditions were different, I doubt he would have won as easily (meaning straight sets) had he played in the kind of wind that was in the Fed-Delpo match.

I think Roger might sneak this one, if only because he wants it so much and is so hellbent in winning these days, his mental fortitude is very strong, not allowing bad hits or re-breaks to finish him.

That said, I wouldn't be too surprised if Murray puts an upset but I want Roger to win, these might be his last Olympics and he should say goodbye with a bang.

BroTree123
08-04-2012, 02:59 AM
Congrats on your first Gold medal Mugray.

Fuck tennis.

rocketassist
08-04-2012, 03:02 AM
GB team could do with the gold given that they're targeting 3rd spot in the medal table and it's golds that define it. One or two projected golds didn't materialise so Andy might be assigned the task of filling in.

Sunset of Age
08-04-2012, 03:08 AM
The BEST two of this year's grass players (not including those who weren't there, you know who I mean :o - but who isn't there doesn't count :angel: -NB for Djokotards: this comment does not include those who rightfully lost their matches on the way to final :p) reached the final, what more is there to wish for in this Olympic final?

Fed was very scrappy at times today, whereas Murray looked confident and consistent. My prediction: Murray in four or five.
(yes you may all mock me if I turn out totally wrong. I won't mind at all. NOT AT ALL. :devil:)

May the best of them win!

The Prince
08-04-2012, 03:17 AM
GB team could do with the gold given that they're targeting 3rd spot in the medal table and it's golds that define it. One or two projected golds didn't materialise so Andy might be assigned the task of filling in.

Exactly and that's why I'm supporting Andy instead of Roger. Team GB is more important than any tennis player in the grand scheme of things.

cmoss
08-04-2012, 03:17 AM
It's fair for Murray to take the gold medal after suffered many tough loss this year but Federer desperately need it too.

Han Solo
08-04-2012, 03:19 AM
Federer might be pushed to five sets. If so, I still expect him to come out stronger, regardless of the length of his semi today.

...I just read that last sentence back. It sounds SO wrong.

Anyhow, he is mentally more resilient than Murray. That said, he managed to lose in five to Delpo in US 2009, so WTF do I know?

alfonsojose
08-04-2012, 03:27 AM
Murray will stop Silverer in 4. Anyway, Wimby 2012 >>>>>> Olympics. Roger with a Gold medal and slamless would have been a consolation

alfonsojose
08-04-2012, 03:30 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/sw19

Rain forecast all day on Sunday.

Federer in 3.
Rooferer has a chance :yeah:

Honestly
08-04-2012, 03:31 AM
Roger will win this in 4 again. Too tired? :superlol: Some people never learn :facepalm:

Chirag
08-04-2012, 03:32 AM
I hope Fed wins in 3 for my nerves

viruzzz
08-04-2012, 03:35 AM
so many haters, I like it. Everytime the haters invade the forum, Fed plays a good match

DjokerFan3
08-04-2012, 03:35 AM
Indoor Golderer in 3 if the roof is closed.
Roof is open - Golderer still wins, most likely in 4

Should be a good final!

mystic ice cube
08-04-2012, 03:48 AM
It depends how healthy Roger is come sunday. In 5 if he is feeling fine, other than that Andy in 4.

Andy1402
08-04-2012, 03:48 AM
Federer will take this in 4. Murray chokes on big stages and Olympic gold at Wimbledon is arguably the biggest of them all as far as he is concerned.

Whiznot
08-04-2012, 04:29 AM
Of all the 64 players Federer and Murray are the two that most value olympic gold. Federer has been pointing to Sunday's match since the day London got the bid. Also, Federer holds the olympics dear because he fell in love with Mirka in Sydney yet he has failed three times to medal. Murray desperately wants to give the British a champion of their own on home soil and to redress the Wimbledon final result.

I think it's going to be a great match. I'm pulling as always for Federer but I expect Murray to win in four. The one sure thing is that with these two in the final the sport of tennis wins big time.

Whiznot
08-04-2012, 05:09 AM
Hate to say all this as a Federer fan but I have a bad feeling about Sunday. I think Murray will finally break through on a big stage. Not because Murray is all of a sudden 'the favorite' on grass against Federer but because this would be the Scot's most opportune moment to date to actually win a Big One against the Swiss. This could be the breakthrough he's been looking for and probably will get. If he wins gold, he may go off on a Novakesque 2011 type of tear next year. I hope not, lol, but it's certainly feasible.

Why?

Well, because Federer is coming off of a grueling slugfest with Del Potro. His shoulders and back must be feeling it right now. We also have to factor in that Federer is pushing 31 and played a couple of doubles (both 3 setters) this past week as well. The home crowd sounds even more hysterically patriotic this time around and will back Murray even louder. Murray has that belief now because he just beat Djokovic in the Olympic semi. He is younger and fresher than Roger. And Roger seemed a little too glad that he is at the very least guaranteed a silver in his post-match interview. He seems satiated already, while Murray is at his hungriest. This makes Federer ripe for an assassination. It seems like the stars have finally aligned for Murray. What do you guys think? Will the King fall in hostile territory, Wimby Part Two: Revenge of the Scot?

This posts explains why I voted for Murray in 4 but I'm pulling for Federer. Go, old man!

Aloevera
08-04-2012, 05:09 AM
I have a feeling that Federer will take this again... at the expense of Murray.

This is tricky match just like Wimbledon final one month ago. But I don't know why this time I feel more certain that Federer would win, no matter what's going to happen. Instead of tiredness, maybe the psychological advantage brought up from the titanic semifinal match against Del Potro will boost his performance in the final.

People say that Murray is better than Djokovic in that semifinal match, but it's different opponent on Sunday. Different ball game, different situation, different pressure. Federer is slightly the favorite in a match with 50:50 probability against anyone not named Rafa Nadal.

abraxas21
08-04-2012, 05:29 AM
For the sake of his career Murray absolutely needs to win this match.

i kind of feel this is true. strange how losing in the SF could be better than losing in the F.

i think murray takes this in 4.

Whiznot
08-04-2012, 05:40 AM
i kind of feel this is true. strange how losing in the SF could be better than losing in the F.

i think murray takes this in 4.

For any player of sound mind, losing in the final is better than losing the semi-final. You may counter that there is a psychological effect to losing such a final but the only players who look at that way are mental defects who will never win. Winning is always better than losing. Sorry Djokovic fans.

MuzzahLovah
08-04-2012, 05:40 AM
Anyone know if they are showing this live on the west coast of America, or only the east coast? I'd rather not have to watch it on my computer. Damn NBC.

Argenbrit
08-04-2012, 05:44 AM
For the sake of his career Murray absolutely needs to win this match.
This.

xargon
08-04-2012, 06:08 AM
And Roger seemed a little too glad that he is at the very least guaranteed a silver in his post-match interview. He seems satiated already, while Murray is at his hungriest. This makes Federer ripe for an assassination. It seems like the stars have finally aligned for Murray. What do you guys think?

Murray seemed glad at the end too. He was crying again. People were saying a few weeks ago at Wim the same thing, the stars are aligned, Queen's jublilee, and Murray is the homeboy. Remember Fed is the grass king.

Murray was clutching body parts again today and swearing at his box. No, Fed wants this medal too much. Murray will be ecstatic with a silver.

LinkMage
08-04-2012, 06:27 AM
Murray in 4 this time.

Imperfect Angel
08-04-2012, 06:33 AM
I hope Sunday rains so it will be played indoors for Fed to win. Or else, Murray will win if it's played outdoors.:shrug:

castle007
08-04-2012, 07:00 AM
I knew that this was going to be the final from day one!!! It doesn't get any better than this. A rematch of the Wimbledon final, a month later, on the same court? This will never happen again for a long time, so let's enjoy it. (unless somehow Davis Cup ends being played at Wimbledon).

Obviously, I want Federer to win the gold medal, but I also would be happy if Murray won it. Federer already got the number 1 ranking and a 7th Wimbledon. But it is apparent that Federer wants this one, since he has been talking about it for years, and his reaction after the SF win says it all. Can his body hold up though?

A Murray win here would probably mean more in the long run than a Federer win. Winning the gold medal at Wimbledon for Britain would be unreal for Murray and it will probably spur him on to finally win a slam.

I am hoping for a good final. If the roof is closed then it is advantage Federer, unless he is fatigued, which makes it even. If they are playing outdoors, then I see Murray having a slight edge. But we will see.

Bring it on!

Topspindoctor
08-04-2012, 07:03 AM
Olderer is the lesser of two evils so I will be rooting for him. Plus I enjoy watching Mugray cry like a little girl so being denied 2 big titles back to back will surely shatter his already fragile confidence.

Mr. President
08-04-2012, 07:04 AM
Somehow this match seemed reminiscent of FO 2009. Fed plays nervous tennis in the semis against this same guy and barely comes through. But once he reaches the final of an event he wants to win this badly, JesusFed emerges. Conclusion: Barring Nadull's presence on the other side of the court, when Federer wants a title this badly, he gets it. Period.

Outdoorerer in 4/5 or Rooferer(:haha:) in 3

castle007
08-04-2012, 07:21 AM
I completely forgot to comment on the fact that Federer will keep his number 1 ranking. :woohoo::woohoo:

cutesteve22
08-04-2012, 07:32 AM
Roger in 4, Murray might had bigger chance in 3 setter match

castle007
08-04-2012, 07:36 AM
Question: When was the last time someone made 3 grass court finals in 1 season? (I don't know the answer)

Also, here is an interesting fact: Federer has only lost once before the SFs at a tournament ever since last year's Cincinnati.

August
08-04-2012, 07:56 AM
I think Murray has been very impressive whereas Fed hasn't played his best tennis at OG. Considering this, Andy should be the favourite. But Roger beat andy just a month ago at the same court, so he can win also, if he plays in his best level. But don't forget Andy won Wimbledon final's 1st set and was the better player until the last game of 2nd set. This final may be mentally the most difficult match for Roger besides RG final '09, this is even more the last chance, on the other hand this isn't as important a title. But maybe that pressure is the reason why Fed hasn't been too impressive. Andy may have pressure too, to win the Olympic final in his home country, but I think there's less pressure than in the Wimbledon final. And, I think home crowd is a good thing for Andy, Wimbledon final was his best slam final. Besides, he's already secured a medal for GB, he can be more relaxed.

Anyway, I'm afraid that if Roger wins 1st or 2nd set, he'll win. That shows he isn't choking this very special match for him. And I think losing 1st or 2nd set crushes Andy, just like losing 2nd set did a month ago. But Andy's been so impressive in OG that I say he's the favourite. But anyway, I'll support Fed.

Come On, Roger!

dazed1
08-04-2012, 07:58 AM
I completely forgot to comment on the fact that Federer will keep his number 1 ranking. :woohoo::woohoo:

Anyone think Fed will be in big trouble if he does not win Olympics, due to Nole winning Toronto, and probably go into USO as #1? :(

mindrust
08-04-2012, 07:59 AM
Surely it should be Murderer!

:worship::worship:

Slade
08-04-2012, 07:59 AM
Murray in 4. Congratulations Andy Murray on your gold medal

Pratik
08-04-2012, 08:59 AM
If Andy Murray loses this match he will be, in my mind at least, the biggest under-performing, choking, under-achieving, mug of a player that this planet has ever seen.


Congratulations, Sir. You know absolutely nothing about tennis. Apparently, losing to a 17 time grand slam winner (mind you,against whom Murray has a 8-8 h2h) is considered choking and under-achieving.

shhh, Fed is resting till sunday

:cool:

So actually there can only be one guy who gets gold on Sunday.

:eek:
Are you sure about that?
Well,Thanks for informing us. No one here knew that

Allez
08-04-2012, 10:13 AM
Murray with a massive H2H lead in non slam matches vs silverer.

Precision
08-04-2012, 10:46 AM
Yeah right, Murray looks good vs. Djokovic, but an Olympic Final is a total different thing. Like all Finals are. You Pro-Murray guys forget one thing. This is Roger Federer in a best of three on gras and probably his last chance to win an goldmedal for the history books in the mens single-competition.

Except 2oo8 where Andy could beat Roger twice on fast surfaces (indoor hard @ Shanghai & Madrid) caused of Rogers infectious mononucleosis (Roger takes the first set in both matches and end up losing close 118:125 and 88:96 Points, Andy had no chances on gras and indoor hard at all, most of the sets played on this surfaces wasn`t even close.

Another advantage for Roger is the weather right now, it´s cold and moisty outhere --> the ball gains speed and the ankle of hopping from the ground enlarge. (That doesn´t mean Roger needs this kind of conditions to win against Andy on Grass & IH. ;)) If played under the roof, Andys defeat will turn much much clearly.

You can bet your house, savings and the couverage of the savings on a Fed Victory.


Meanwhile as a tennis-fan it`s very hard to watch Andy losing one big Final after another, I practice nearly daily too and I know how hard and frustrating such a fact is, when you invest so so much energy in your training. But if he stays healthy he will play much more of future finals than Roger will do. And then a matchup-final like the HF against the Joker will show up and he`ll cry again, but this time of pure joy. Andy knows this deep inside and he give credit to the fact that he live and play tennis in the era when the greatest player of all time did it:

Roger Federer.

cmoss
08-04-2012, 11:07 AM
This time the Brits will root for their player even madder than the French crowd.Huge pressure for Fed.:eek:

Precision
08-04-2012, 11:13 AM
Pressure for someone who won 17 Grand Slams?



...It`s like you say a butcher who is working already for 40 years feels pressure when he`s forced to make a simple sausage-cut in front of the famous "dangerous & uncontrollable" Wimbledon crowd... I)

cmoss
08-04-2012, 11:20 AM
But Federer treats this Olympics like he's hunting for his first Slam.It's he who brought such pressure for himself.:o

Precision
08-04-2012, 11:23 AM
All that doesn`t matter on sunday.

It`s final time baby. :angel:

Fujee
08-04-2012, 12:01 PM
Murray with a massive H2H lead in non slam matches vs silverer.

Yeah, of course.. those ones that really count..

cmoss
08-04-2012, 12:11 PM
I bet whoever loses this match will cry.

Litotes
08-04-2012, 12:14 PM
Question: When was the last time someone made 3 grass court finals in 1 season? (I don't know the answer)

Also, here is an interesting fact: Federer has only lost once before the SFs at a tournament ever since last year's Cincinnati.

I am not sure about the grass finals, Connors 1974 definitely but there might have been later ones too.

RForever
08-04-2012, 12:16 PM
I bet whoever loses this match will cry.

What are the odds? I bet that both winner and looser will cry.

This will be tough one, I go with Fed in 5.

Fed=ATPTourkilla
08-04-2012, 12:24 PM
Weather forecast for Sunday in Wimbledon: Thunderstorms. :lol:

What was that Nick the Greek was saying about Federer having done a deal with the devil?

JanKowalski
08-04-2012, 12:52 PM
Anyone think Fed will be in big trouble if he does not win Olympics, due to Nole winning Toronto, and probably go into USO as #1? :(

Djokovic is defending 1600 points in Canada + Cincinnati. He would have to repeat that and Fed do badly in Cinci for Djokovic to get to No. 1.

shiaben
08-04-2012, 02:02 PM
This would be a great way for Murray to redeem himself. Federer will be more hungrier given he's a perfectionist. Maybe Murray can get into his head as Federer is anxious about getting this gold in singles and might over do the points, rallies, shots etc. and choke. Murray in 4 tight ones (wins first set, wins second, loses third set, wins fourth). Home court and Federer's arms should be exhausted from the servathon he had against Del Potro.

Jaz
08-04-2012, 02:14 PM
I went to see them both live int he Semi-final.

Murray has the best chance to win in a long long time. Federer was leaking errors (which will suit Murray).

Satasonic
08-04-2012, 02:45 PM
Once again, Ill say what I think of this match. Murray is capable of winning, but he will crumble under the weight of the British crowd. Not only that- But the crowd will probably go for Federer :shrug:

If Murray serves well- This will be a very tight contest, no question about it. Roger has been serving VERY well in the key points, and even though murray is a good returner, he isnt THAT great a returner. If Fed converts his chances- he will win in 3. If Federror shows up, he will win in 4. As Murray is mentally weak, I definitely dont think that he will be able to last 5 sets either.

So Ill say that Federer wins in 3 tight sets, the third set being easier. 7-5 6-4 6-2 is what Ill say. Roger will be motivated :wavey:


Anyway, this definitely should be a good final, looking forward for it. Tennis is saved from Pushervic, so any final would be great! :wavey:

hipolymer
08-04-2012, 02:47 PM
Anyone think Fed will be in big trouble if he does not win Olympics, due to Nole winning Toronto, and probably go into USO as #1? :(

There is no difference between being ranked 1 or 2 for slams. Either way Djokovic gets the harder of the opponents for the semis.

Burrow
08-04-2012, 02:52 PM
Once again, Ill say what I think of this match. Murray is capable of winning, but he will crumble under the weight of the British crowd. Not only that- But the crowd will probably go for Federer :shrug:

If Murray serves well- This will be a very tight contest, no question about it. Roger has been serving VERY well in the key points, and even though murray is a good returner, he isnt THAT great a returner. If Fed converts his chances- he will win in 3. If Federror shows up, he will win in 4. As Murray is mentally weak, I definitely dont think that he will be able to last 5 sets either.

So Ill say that Federer wins in 3 tight sets, the third set being easier. 7-5 6-4 6-2 is what Ill say. Roger will be motivated :wavey:


Anyway, this definitely should be a good final, looking forward for it. Tennis is saved from Pushervic, so any final would be great! :wavey:

Disagree on both points. Murray feeds off the crowds energy. He didn't crumble at Wimbledon in the slightest and never really has done at Wimbledon. Yes, he has been routed by Nadal thrice but that had nothing to do with the crowd. There've been several matches throughout this years Olympics and Wimbledon where, without the crowd, it would have been hard to see Murray wake up and pull them out.

And I don't know why you think the crowd will favour Federer.

And if an error prone Federer shows up then there's no way he's winning this match, never mind in 4 sets, that's laughable. Look at what happened in the first set at Wimbledon. To win this match, he's going to have to stay in some lengthy baseline rallies and if he's not timing the ball well, then Murray's not going to be the one to give out.

Fujee
08-04-2012, 03:02 PM
Murray might take this, he's been playing v well. But it's best of three, Wimbledon and Roger on the other side. It's going to be an exciting match :)

Burrow
08-04-2012, 03:14 PM
Murray might take this, he's been playing v well. But it's best of three, Wimbledon and Roger on the other side. It's going to be an exciting match :)

It's best of 5.

Jaz
08-04-2012, 03:15 PM
Disagree on both points. Murray feeds off the crowds energy. He didn't crumble at Wimbledon in the slightest and never really has done at Wimbledon. Yes, he has been routed by Nadal thrice but that had nothing to do with the crowd. There've been several matches throughout this years Olympics and Wimbledon where, without the crowd, it would have been hard to see Murray wake up and pull them out.

And I don't know why you think the crowd will favour Federer.

And if an error prone Federer shows up then there's no way he's winning this match, never mind in 4 sets, that's laughable. Look at what happened in the first set at Wimbledon. To win this match, he's going to have to stay in some lengthy baseline rallies and if he's not timing the ball well, then Murray's not going to be the one to give out.

Agree, the crowd was massive for both Murray and Federer. But Murray has a lot of fans, and will be a massive help to him.

August
08-04-2012, 03:55 PM
Murray having two mixed doubles matches today, I wonder if it has an effect on singles' final performance.

the answer
08-04-2012, 04:13 PM
Murray will have to turn in to super saiyan to have a chance to win this match.
http://blogs.tennis.com/.a/6a00d83451599e69e2016769087df9970b-320wi

Julián Santiago
08-04-2012, 04:31 PM
Outdoorerer in 4/5 or Rooferer(:haha:) in 3

:worship:

sylacauga
08-04-2012, 04:50 PM
Compared to Wimby, the dynamics here seem to have switched. Whereas in Wimby Andy seemed to feel more pressure throughout the tournament, here Fed seems to be the one most on edge. That being said, however, there is no other court in the world where Fed has more experience & great memories to draw upon than CC Wimby. This is what got him through the epic battle with Delpo yesterday and I think the same will be true tomorrow. Fed wants this one bad and will leave everything he has on court to achieve it. I agree with the majority here and think Fed will take this in 4 close sets.

Although I greatly want to see Fed take the Gold, I admit that a small part of me is torn. I have warmed to Andy quite a bit since Wimby. The way he has rebounded since his devastating Wimby loss is very admirable. To see him lose to the same player, on the same court, in front of his home crowd in the span of just a few weeks almost seems too cruel. But I guess that's just the nature of sports; like other things in life they are not always kind or fair. Regardless of the outcome, both men have already done their countries so proud and should have absolutely no regrets. Looking forward to a great match!

allpro
08-04-2012, 04:53 PM
murray playing two mixed dubs matches today is ridiculous http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/130/disapppointing.gif

serveandvolley80
08-04-2012, 05:06 PM
I think Murray finally breaks through here. Having already lost the Wimbledon final and winning his first set ever in a grand slam final will help him here. Hes only gotten better for it and his nerves should not play as much of a factor as Wimbledon seeing as how hes not the only athlete there with attention on him. He is surrounded by his fellow countrymen for support and to take the spotlight away from Andy.

Litotes
08-04-2012, 05:11 PM
Murray with a massive H2H lead in non slam matches vs silverer.

And in Bo5?

JanKowalski
08-04-2012, 05:24 PM
Murray can win gold in mixed as consolation :)

Allez
08-04-2012, 05:32 PM
murray playing two mixed dubs matches today is ridiculous http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/130/disapppointing.gif

Only 2 sets and the champions tie breaker. Good practice for the men's final.

JanKowalski
08-04-2012, 05:44 PM
Only 2 sets and the champions tie breaker. Good practice for the men's final.

The question is, will the mixed final be played before the singles?

latso
08-04-2012, 05:51 PM
ppl tend to miss the fact that the second best at this tourney so far has been Del Potro...

Murray has been playing wise and stabil against a relatively mediocre Djokovic, but what both did was miles away from the constant flat lines cleaning tennis of Pony against Federer. I've never seen that many line shots and i have never seen Roger playing 70% of his rallie shots out of position, in running, etc.

Murray's slower paced game is a dream for Roger atm and i see this match going smoother for the Legend compared to Wimby.

Whiznot
08-04-2012, 05:57 PM
Anyone think Fed will be in big trouble if he does not win Olympics, due to Nole winning Toronto, and probably go into USO as #1? :(

Only dazed people could hold such a thought.

ogbg
08-04-2012, 06:00 PM
ppl tend to miss the fact that the second best at this tourney so far has been Del Potro...

Murray has been playing wise and stabil against a relatively mediocre Djokovic, but what both did was miles away from the constant flat lines cleaning tennis of Pony against Federer. I've never seen that many line shots and i have never seen Roger playing 70% of his rallie shots out of position, in running, etc.

Murray's slower paced game is a dream for Roger atm and i see this match going smoother for the Legend compared to Wimby.

Standard was higher in 2nd semi for me. Not so many flat forehands or 1st serves but other aspects - backhands, movement, return on both flanks, slice - felt a bit better.

Roger the Dodger
08-04-2012, 06:01 PM
For the sake of his career Murray absolutely needs to win this match.

Its more symbolic if Roger wins it though. Because he excels as an athlete. Whereas Murray is still a whiner. Besides he is already a legend having ensured himself of a medal tomorrow. Britons have much to celebrate.

Moozza
08-04-2012, 06:06 PM
ppl tend to miss the fact that the second best at this tourney so far has been Del Potro...

Murray has been playing wise and stabil against a relatively mediocre Djokovic, but what both did was miles away from the constant flat lines cleaning tennis of Pony against Federer. I've never seen that many line shots and i have never seen Roger playing 70% of his rallie shots out of position, in running, etc.

Murray's slower paced game is a dream for Roger atm and i see this match going smoother for the Legend compared to Wimby.

Sorry but as others have said the level in the second semi was clearly higher. Djokovic was moving better than he ever has on grass while Federer was not at his best.

August
08-04-2012, 06:09 PM
Its more symbolic if Roger wins it though. Because he excels as an athlete. Whereas Murray is still a whiner. Besides he is already a legend having ensured himself of a medal tomorrow. Britons have much to celebrate.

Two medals.

BroTree123
08-04-2012, 06:11 PM
Bad for tennis when Mugray is guaranteed medals of any type, be it singles or doubles :o

Roger the Dodger
08-04-2012, 06:13 PM
Two medals.

Legend! :devil:

finishingmove
08-04-2012, 06:18 PM
Legend! :devil:

Referring to Murray.

MuzzahLovah
08-04-2012, 06:23 PM
It really takes a small person to be upset at player doing his best in his home tournament.

Mark Lenders
08-04-2012, 06:30 PM
ppl tend to miss the fact that the second best at this tourney so far has been Del Potro...

Murray has been playing wise and stabil against a relatively mediocre Djokovic, but what both did was miles away from the constant flat lines cleaning tennis of Pony against Federer. I've never seen that many line shots and i have never seen Roger playing 70% of his rallie shots out of position, in running, etc.

Murray's slower paced game is a dream for Roger atm and i see this match going smoother for the Legend compared to Wimby.

Yeah, if Murray takes gold, he better thank Del Potro in his victory speech :p For tiring out Federer physically, but especially mentally; serving to stay in the match 10+ times can't be easy from a mental point of view. Not to mention that having to serve at his highest level for so many games and having to deal with the power of JMDP's shots for 4h30m can't have helped either.

If Murray can't beat Federer here, he probably never will in a big final. With Federer coming from the longest best of 3 match ever, a physically and emotionally draining contest, Murray really has to pounce.

bounccer
08-04-2012, 06:32 PM
Murray in four

jcempire
08-04-2012, 06:33 PM
Roger 6-4 7-5 6-1

Andy has zero chance

Corey Feldman
08-04-2012, 06:36 PM
after tomorrow, career Olympic medal tally:

Fed 2
Muzza 2
Nole 2



Nadal 1.

Fujee
08-04-2012, 06:38 PM
Kinda nervous about this one. Murray looks relaxed and good to go, wouldn't begrudge him the medal at all though.

Federer has one advantage. Murray has played so much tennis this past 2 days.

IOFH
08-04-2012, 06:41 PM
after tomorrow, career Olympic medal tally:

Fed 2
Muzza 2
Nole 2



Nadal 1.

Inb4"mixed doubles + singles silver > singles gold?"-thread.

niff
08-04-2012, 06:42 PM
I can't shake the feeling that Murray is taking this one. Hope I'm wrong and Federer can steady his nerves enough.

Roger the Dodger
08-04-2012, 06:42 PM
Referring to Murray.

yes. :)

MuzzahLovah
08-04-2012, 06:45 PM
http://www.london2012.com/mm/Photo/sport/General/01/32/55/02/1325502_M01.jpg

I think the doubles is actually helping him- he seems as happy as he's ever been on a tennis court.

Roger the Dodger
08-04-2012, 06:46 PM
If Murray can't beat Federer here, he probably never will in a big final. With Federer coming from the longest best of 3 match ever, a physically and emotionally draining contest, Murray really has to pounce.


Ho hum. that's what they say everytime, Lenders. He still pops up, he's that good. He's going to win. Either tomorrow or the US.

Corey Feldman
08-04-2012, 06:48 PM
Murray's return of serve = awesome

he just killed Stosur and Lisicki everytime, wasnt even in doubt they'd win the point

Mark Lenders
08-04-2012, 06:50 PM
Ho hum. that's what they say everytime, Lenders. He still pops up, he's that good. He's going to win. Either tomorrow or the US.

Talking against Federer only. He'll never have a better shot at Federer in a big final; the semi took a lot out of Federer, physically (longest 3-set match ever, having to serve at his best for so many games, dealing with Delpo's wicked power for 4h30m...) but especially emotionally.

Murray might reach more finals, but doubt he'll ever get to face an opponent who had such a draining semi as Fed did yesterday.

green25814
08-04-2012, 06:51 PM
Yeah, if Murray takes gold, he better thank Del Potro in his victory speech :p For tiring out Federer physically, but especially mentally; serving to stay in the match 10+ times can't be easy from a mental point of view. Not to mention that having to serve at his highest level for so many games and having to deal with the power of JMDP's shots for 4h30m can't have helped either.

If Murray can't beat Federer here, he probably never will in a big final. With Federer coming from the longest best of 3 match ever, a physically and emotionally draining contest, Murray really has to pounce.

:zzz:

allpro
08-04-2012, 06:53 PM
Only 2 sets and the champions tie breaker. Good practice for the men's final.

andy played four sets and two champions tb's today.

he'll need every ounce of energy - both physical and psychic - to climb mt. federer tomorrow. i hope it doesn't hurt him.

Mark Lenders
08-04-2012, 06:57 PM
It's a bit as if Federer had had to play another match after taking Roddick in Wimbledon 2009. These long final sets are very exhausting mentally, especially when you have to serve to stay in the match 10+ times as Federer did yesterday. Not to mention the physical toll of course (keep in mind yesterday's semi wasn't as serve-dominated as Federer vs Roddick, there were far more rallies).

I don't have the stats for how often players win their next match after playing long advantage sets, but can't be great I'm sure.

green25814
08-04-2012, 07:00 PM
It's a bit as if Federer had had to play another match after taking Roddick in Wimbledon 2009. These long final sets are very exhausting mentally, especially when you have to serve to stay in the match 10+ times as Federer did yesterday. Not to mention the physical toll of course (keep in mind yesterday's semi wasn't as serve-dominated as Federer vs Roddick, there were far more rallies).

I don't have the stats for how often players win their next match after playing long advantage sets, but can't be great I'm sure.

Yeah, Fed will be slightly tired, so advantage for Murray.

On the other hand, Fed is the fucking GOAT. He's the obvious favourite no matter what and we all know it

Goldenoldie
08-04-2012, 07:01 PM
Andy will want to keep something in reserve for the doubles

Mark Lenders
08-04-2012, 07:04 PM
Yeah, Fed will be slightly tired, so advantage for Murray.

On the other hand, Fed is the fucking GOAT. He's the obvious favourite no matter what and we all know it

Yeah, given his record you have to favor Federer in every big final against non-Nadal (and maybe Nole). Just saying that this might very well be Murray's best chance to beat Federer in a big final: no pressure of a Slam final and Federer will most definitely be tired: not even the great Swiss is immune to the effects of a grueling 19-17 advantage set, especially being 30yo.

Roger the Dodger
08-04-2012, 07:07 PM
It's a bit as if Federer had had to play another match after taking Roddick in Wimbledon 2009. These long final sets are very exhausting mentally, especially when you have to serve to stay in the match 10+ times as Federer did yesterday. Not to mention the physical toll of course (keep in mind yesterday's semi wasn't as serve-dominated as Federer vs Roddick, there were far more rallies).

I don't have the stats for how often players win their next match after playing long advantage sets, but can't be great I'm sure.

There's always a chance to win if Wiserer turns up.

But if you notice, Roger has had draining matches this wimbledon and in the RG 2009 as well. Still he won both tournaments.

IOFH
08-04-2012, 07:07 PM
I doubt Murray will win because Federer is too tired, mentally or physically. He might win by being the better player on the day, which wouldn't surprise me much. If it's windy, dry and slow, I like his chances even more.

Mark Lenders
08-04-2012, 07:12 PM
There's always a chance to win if Wiserer turns up.

But if you notice, Roger has had draining matches this wimbledon and in the RG 2009 as well. Still he won both tournaments.

He never had to serve 10+ times to stay in the tournament though, that is incredibly exhausting from a mental point of view. Not to mention, unless my memory is failing me, in none of those matches was he put so often in the backfoot during rallies as against JMDP yesterday.

Federer obviously has a chance, it's foolish to ever discount Federer, but this is Murray's best shot for sure so far in big finals and maybe the best he'll ever have.

nole_no1
08-04-2012, 07:14 PM
It's best of 5? :eek: Oh buh bye Murray :wavey:

Mark Lenders
08-04-2012, 07:16 PM
It's best of 5? :eek: Oh buh bye Murray :wavey:

Murray is the only man in tennis history with 20+ titles who never won a best of 5 final. That's not an encouraging stat for sure, but he has a good shot to reverse it here I feel.

IOFH
08-04-2012, 07:21 PM
Federer obviously has a chance, it's foolish to ever discount Federer, but this is Murray's best shot for sure so far in big finals and maybe the best he'll ever have.

Thus far for sure, but I can't see how it will be his best chance ever. I'm absolutely sure he will contest a BO5-final at some point where he's legitimately the better player and doesn't have to rely on external factors to gain an edge. It's hardly as dramatic concerning Murray's career as you make it up to be.

Mark Lenders
08-04-2012, 07:30 PM
Thus far for sure, but I can't see how it will be his best chance ever. I'm absolutely sure he will contest a BO5-final at some point where he's legitimately the better player and doesn't have to rely on external factors to gain an edge. It's hardly as dramatic concerning Murray's career as you make it up to be.

Maybe, but you never know. Remember that for each of these finals he loses his confidence is shot down a bit - losing Olympics would not be so dramatic since he'd still win a silver medal for GB, but would still go down as another best-of-five final lost. Not to mention that with Murray's style, 25yo isn't exactly young, he doesn't have that much time left to make things happen.

Even though this is not a Slam and Federer will be tired, beating Federer in a best of 5 final would be a good confidence boost for his next Slam final (assuming there will be one). Losing it would likely further lower his confidence level in big finals.

green25814
08-04-2012, 07:36 PM
Maybe, but you never know. Remember that for each of these finals he loses his confidence is shot down a bit - losing Olympics would not be so dramatic since he'd still win a silver medal for GB, but would still go down as another best-of-five final lost. Not to mention that with Murray's style, 25yo isn't exactly young, he doesn't have that much time left to make things happen.

Even though this is not a Slam and Federer will be tired, beating Federer in a best of 5 final would be a good confidence boost for his next Slam final (assuming there will be one). Losing it would likely further lower his confidence level in big finals.

People say this after every final though, and Andy comes back to prove them wrong.

He's matured now. He will try to play his best level, if he loses he will accept it and try again next time. Andy isn't a sulky kid anymore.

Sofonda Cox
08-04-2012, 08:01 PM
Fed has this in the bag. No way choker Murray getting gold here.

JoWillyTso
08-04-2012, 08:04 PM
As long as Murray isn't too tired he has this in the bag. And the Mixed. And the US Open. And 2013 is Murray's year!

ogbg
08-04-2012, 08:09 PM
Remember that for each of these finals he loses his confidence is shot down a bit
That would make sense but he still keeps improving every year so far.

Sofonda Cox
08-04-2012, 08:11 PM
As long as Murray isn't too tired he has this in the bag. And the Mixed. And the US Open. And 2013 is Murray's year!

Lay off the drugs.

jojoh07
08-04-2012, 08:12 PM
any reports on the weather , still expecting rain ??

ogbg
08-04-2012, 08:15 PM
any reports on the weather , still expecting rain ??
Apparently not:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2643743?day=1

viruzzz
08-04-2012, 08:15 PM
A weird fact:
The opinions seems to be so, one-sided... Some guys think Murray will EASILY win and other guys think Roger is the one who will EASILY win.

FedGOAT
08-04-2012, 08:19 PM
A weird fact:
The opinions seems to be so, one-sided... Some guys think Murray will EASILY win and other guys think Roger is the one who will EASILY win.

fact? look at the poll

viruzzz
08-04-2012, 08:23 PM
Ha... Look at that. Didn't read it before.
But if you read the opinions, this is like "X has this on the bag" "There's no way XX loses this"...

FedGOAT
08-04-2012, 08:26 PM
those are mostly trolls

masterclass
08-04-2012, 08:32 PM
Murray must keep his 1st service pct relatively high throughout the match.
If it drops to 50% or worse as it did at Wimbledon, even under the roof, he is toast.
Federer will feast off the Murray second serve.

Murray also needs to stay aggressive with the forehand longer than a set and a half.
Del Potro kept Federer on his heels through almost the entire match with bullets to the back of the court, line after line. I haven't seen that kind of play from Murray for much more than a set and a half. Pushing at any part of the match won't get it done.
A positive for Murray is the complete lack of grass around the baseline which helps Murray defend even better.

Federer will need to use smart placement, sharper angles, and a few well timed drop shots to get Murray back on the remaining grass. Good serving will be imperative for Federer and strong net play for him as in the Wimbledon final.

A big question is how emotionally drained is Federer? Will he come out flat like Jo-Wilfried Tsonga did against Djokovic after his long battle with Raonic? A day off helps Federer, is it enough?

Respectfully,
masterclass

Roamed
08-04-2012, 08:46 PM
Pulling for Roger, expect Murray to win, but either way it'll be lovely to see them both on the podium.

Slice Winner
08-04-2012, 08:59 PM
"ROGER FEDERER: Well, I mean, emotionally obviously I'm extremely drained from serving against a match so many times, basically
being down in the score for the entire match except the one time where I served for it."

Muzz is favourite, but 5 sets and roof favours Roger. I hope for rain.

swebright
08-04-2012, 09:09 PM
Murray could win gold in mixed double too!!

Lopez
08-04-2012, 09:22 PM
Corey Feldman on fire in this thread as well :yeah:

On topic, I voted for Murray in 5. Just a gut feeling vote. Hope Roger wins though... Even though watching Murray lose another final isn't a nice thought :p