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Will Toronto be a washout? Federer, Nadal, Ferrer, Verdasco, Monfils out

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masterclass
08-02-2012, 07:07 PM
Rafael Nadal says in his facebook page that he is out of Toronto.

Hi all, wanted to let you know that I won't be playing Toronto this year. I am not ready to play and I hope to be back in 2014 at that great tournament that has always treat me very well. I am continuing with my recup and practice. Thanks!
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/c0.108.800.382.44365361803/p843x403/283781_10151026678841026_1463659848_n.jpg

Unfortunate for him. :sad: We should all wish him well and a speedy recovery. He's important to the game.
It doesn't seem the same without him in the mix.

Respectfully,
masterclass

Smoke944
08-02-2012, 07:08 PM
Expected. Do think he will be in Cincy, though.

Litotes
08-02-2012, 07:08 PM
No surprise, sad news nonetheless.

Chris Kuerten
08-02-2012, 07:09 PM
Nadal's only priority should be winning five more French Opens.

rocketassist
08-02-2012, 07:10 PM
Looks like he's sitting off on Wirral Cycle Path there :lol: Green benches an' all.

Pirata.
08-02-2012, 07:11 PM
He looks homeless there :sad:

I expect he'll be in Cincy, no way would he go into US with no prep. Courts aren't the best for him there, but he definitely needs matches. Maybe he'll ask for a Winstom-Salem WC :eek:

Freak3yman84
08-02-2012, 07:12 PM
:sad: He had the best shot at Toronto since he wasn't playing the Olympics. News on whether he'll be in Cincy or not?

Li Ching Yuen
08-02-2012, 07:12 PM
That bench is full of bird shit. Our hero is sitting on white goo. :sad:

shadows
08-02-2012, 07:13 PM
Hijacking to add that Monfils is confirmed to be out till after Cinci

ServeVolley
08-02-2012, 07:15 PM
I have a feeling retirement might be on the horizon... He's established himself as the GOAT on clay (at least in terms of achievements), and ended the losing streak to Novak. If his body is telling him it's time to retire then he should listen to it, because really, he has nothing left to prove. :shrug:

dencod16
08-02-2012, 07:17 PM
not surprised about Monfils, but Verdasco and Ferrer a little. One more withdrawal in the top 20, and Roddick will be seeded. Also Ferrero is out, sadly i think it's done for him.

http://www.rogerscup.com/men/english/currentNews.php?d=NADAL_WITHDRAWS_FROM_ROGERS_CUP_ PRESENTED_BY_NATIONAL_BANK

With Djoko, Federer, Murray, and Tsonga still playing in Olympics and has to play 2 matches each, Berdych could be the top seed. I think they should have done what Montreal did of a Monday Final and seeds not playing til Thursday.

LastRocket
08-02-2012, 07:18 PM
Fed will most likely withdraw

Freak3yman84
08-02-2012, 07:18 PM
I have a feeling retirement might be on the horizon... He's established himself as the GOAT on clay (at least in terms of achievements), and ended the losing streak to Novak. If his body is telling him it's time to retire then he should listen to it, because really, he has nothing left to prove. :shrug:

Give him a chance. It might not be a career threatening injury. Some time off will help. He can still play ;)

duarte_a
08-02-2012, 07:19 PM
Thought that nadal would try and vulture toronto for sure.

Major chance in toronto. Who will step up to the plate and take the title.

Imo Roger won't play there, don't know about djokovic and murray though?

Freak3yman84
08-02-2012, 07:19 PM
Is anyone actually playing this event? :lol:

Roger the Dodger
08-02-2012, 07:20 PM
Rafael Nadal says in his facebook page that he is out of Toronto.


http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/c0.108.800.382.44365361803/p843x403/283781_10151026678841026_1463659848_n.jpg

Unfortunate for him. :sad: We should all wish him well and a speedy recovery. He's important to the game.
It doesn't seem the same without him in the mix.

Respectfully,
masterclass

Rafa's photo. :hugs: :lol:

Litotes
08-02-2012, 07:21 PM
Is anyone actually playing this event? :lol:

Someone is bound to smell an opportunity...maybe Kafelnikov askes for a wildcard to finally get his Masters shield?

ImmzB
08-02-2012, 07:21 PM
Add Nadal.

Almagro is doubtful.

masterclass
08-02-2012, 07:21 PM
He looks homeless there :sad:

I expect he'll be in Cincy, no way would he go into US with no prep. Courts aren't the best for him there, but he definitely needs matches. Maybe he'll ask for a Winstom-Salem WC :eek:

Agreed. With his game, I think he needs about 10 matches on hard court to be ready against the top players. If he can't get 4 matches in at Cincy, then I doubt he'll be prepared enough for the US Open, unless he does play Winston-Salem.

But who knows, right? I think now his priority is to get healthy, not to rush himself to get back out there and do more damage.

Respectfully,
masterclass

Lleyton_
08-02-2012, 07:21 PM
I congratulate his PR team if that picture is the one accompanying the message :barf:

Freak3yman84
08-02-2012, 07:21 PM
Someone is bound to smell an opportunity...maybe Kafelnikov askes for a wildcard to finally get his Masters shield?

I could see it happening ;)

LaFuria
08-02-2012, 07:22 PM
Let me guess, he has an injury that dates back to Wimbledon?

Chris Kuerten
08-02-2012, 07:22 PM
Expected, Ferrer wouldn't lose against Nishikori at 100%.

samanosuke
08-02-2012, 07:23 PM
tournaments director has to be thrilled. Fed is for sure out, finalists will be also 99% out, probably all semi finalist, Tsonga already looked exhausted in today's match and still has to play two doubles matches, ferrer also playing two doubles matches. should be decent quality Masters 250 tennis in Toronto

Litotes
08-02-2012, 07:23 PM
I have a feeling retirement might be on the horizon... He's established himself as the GOAT on clay (at least in terms of achievements), and ended the losing streak to Novak. If his body is telling him it's time to retire then he should listen to it, because really, he has nothing left to prove. :shrug:

Really? One better than Borg and then follow him into early retirement? It would surprise me. I think he wants more titles more than he wants to escape the pain. He can manage pain.

_Chaz
08-02-2012, 07:24 PM
not surprised about Monfils, but Verdasco and Ferrer a little.

Well, Ferrer is still in the doubles competition at the Olympics so the withdrawal makes sense.

Kohli could also withdraw I think (because he withdrew from the Olympics as well), then out of the guys who are still at London the most of them will probably withdraw, too.

samanosuke
08-02-2012, 07:24 PM
ferrer was only real chance for any of top 6 players to play in toronto :lol:

WhoCares
08-02-2012, 07:25 PM
Imo Roger won't play there, don't know about djokovic and murray though?

Is that official?
I really hope Fed would win the gold then skin Torento to enter Cincy rested and take it there.

acionescu
08-02-2012, 07:26 PM
Wow, he really goes to great length to convince MTF of the seriousness of his problem :eek:

duarte_a
08-02-2012, 07:26 PM
nadal's photo?! What kind of message is his PR team trying to convey? Poor, sad and lonely nadal.....

He's got millions in the bank, won all slams, a few months ago won his 7th RG.

As for the retirement talk, just wait and see nadal making at least the final in the US Open. You heard it here first.

Vinceremo
08-02-2012, 07:26 PM
Almagro should withdraw as well, or has he already? I don't know what he's been thinking playing these last few tournaments injured and clearly in pain, though at least the effort in the Olympics was understandable and I think worth it.

WhoCares
08-02-2012, 07:26 PM
Really? One better than Borg and then follow him into early retirement? It would surprise me. I think he wants more titles more than he wants to escape the pain. He can manage pain.

He definitely proved that he can manage the pain before
but the pain isn't the issue, IT'S the movement that can't be helped.

tennisfan856
08-02-2012, 07:27 PM
i'm confused, is 2013 montreal's year?

shadows
08-02-2012, 07:27 PM
Monfils is out till after Cinci at the earliest =(

duarte_a
08-02-2012, 07:28 PM
Is that official?
I really hope Fed would win the gold then skin Torento to enter Cincy rested and take it there.

No it's not official. Toronto it's still in Roger's schedule although he has said in an interview that he would revise his schedule after the olympics because he has played a lot of tennis in the first half of the season.

Imo Roger skipping Toronto it's almost a lock since Roger will now play 2 more matches, the last one on sunday.

Mountaindewslave
08-02-2012, 07:28 PM
I have a feeling retirement might be on the horizon... He's established himself as the GOAT on clay (at least in terms of achievements), and ended the losing streak to Novak. If his body is telling him it's time to retire then he should listen to it, because really, he has nothing left to prove. :shrug:

lol you think team Nadal is ready to retire when this season he won a grand slam, dominated the clay season, and finaled at AO? Not a chance.

I think what you are misunderstanding is how seriously Nadal takes being prepared for a Grand Slam. he is unwilling to not be ready and in perfect shape for the US OPEN because he is not wiling another "Rosol' tournament occur

EddieNero
08-02-2012, 07:29 PM
This looks worse than Hamburg 2006. :haha:

Mountaindewslave
08-02-2012, 07:29 PM
Let me guess, he has an injury that dates back to Wimbledon?

that is well known and obvious..... you are a fool if you doubt a player when they actually are missing events and well recorded of seeing doctors and doing recovery methods.

it has been a very slow healing of his body, which often happens as players age more

redshift36188
08-02-2012, 07:29 PM
tournaments director has to be thrilled. Fed is for sure out, finalists will be also 99% out, probably all semi finalist, Tsonga already looked exhausted in today's match and still has to play two doubles matches, ferrer also playing two doubles matches. should be decent quality Masters 250 tennis in Toronto
Pretty sure everybody will be at Toronto. Roger is trying to push the weeks at #1 record as much as possible.


Seeing Ferrer as a top4 seed in big tournaments makes my blood boil, hope he draws Tsonga.

dencod16
08-02-2012, 07:30 PM
Well, Ferrer is still in the doubles competition at the Olympics so the withdrawal makes sense.

Kohli could also withdraw I think (because he withdrew from the Olympics as well), then out of the guys who are still at London the most of them will probably withdraw, too.

Don;t get why they will withdraw cause the earliest they are going to play is wednesday.

Xristos
08-02-2012, 07:30 PM
I think (hope) Rafa plays Cincy.

Get better Rafa the tour misses you.

dencod16
08-02-2012, 07:31 PM
Almagro should withdraw as well, or has he already? I don't know what he's been thinking playing these last few tournaments injured and clearly in pain, though at least the effort in the Olympics was understandable and I think worth it.

Yeah, dont get why his playing too. He should withdraw here.

Federer&Hingis
08-02-2012, 07:31 PM
Rafael Nadal says in his facebook page that he is out of Toronto.

Hi all, wanted to let you know that I won't be playing Toronto this year. I am not ready to play and I hope to be back in 2014 at that great tournament that has always treat me very well. I am continuing with my recup and practice. Thanks!


"I hope to be back in 2014"

??????????? :confused:

samanosuke
08-02-2012, 07:32 PM
Pretty sure everybody will be at Toronto. Roger is trying to push the weeks at #1 record as much as possible.


Seeing Ferrer as a top4 seed in big tournaments makes my blood boil, hope he draws Tsonga.

immediately after wimbledon when they asked him would he play canada fed said you know, now when i have retained #1 spot some things have changed

Xristos
08-02-2012, 07:33 PM
i'm confused, is 2013 montreal's year?

Yes thats why he said he hopes to be back in 2014.

duarte_a
08-02-2012, 07:33 PM
Pretty sure everybody will be at Toronto. Roger is trying to push the weeks at #1 record as much as possible.


Seeing Ferrer as a top4 seed in big tournaments makes my blood boil, hope he draws Tsonga.

If Roger wins the Olympics or reaches the final and djokovic doesn't then Roger will be #1 after Toronto no matter what.

Djokovic is defending 1000 points, Roger is defending 90.

_Chaz
08-02-2012, 07:33 PM
Don;t get why they will withdraw cause the earliest they are going to play is wednesday.

6 hours time difference, long flight, tiredness in general, and biggest argument is changing surfaces ;)

Imagine on Sunday you play Olympic bronze medal match on grass, on Monday travel to Canada already being dead tired, then on Tuesday you have to practice to adjust to the surface while still suffering jetlag and the day after you have to be match fit again.

BigJohn
08-02-2012, 07:33 PM
I think we all know what is really going on...

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/599542_10150976181761026_229540013_n.jpg

Freak3yman84
08-02-2012, 07:34 PM
Almagro should withdraw as well, or has he already? I don't know what he's been thinking playing these last few tournaments injured and clearly in pain, though at least the effort in the Olympics was understandable and I think worth it.

Nahh I think Almagro's goal is to have his arm fall off from the shoulder down.

dencod16
08-02-2012, 07:34 PM
6 hours time difference, long flight, tiredness in general, and biggest argument is changing surfaces ;)

Imagine on Sunday you play Olympic bronze medal match on grass, on Monday travel to Canada already being dead tired, then on Tuesday you have to practice to adjust to the surface while still suffering jetlag and the day after you have to be match fit again.

I just realized that, after thinking of Serena's path. These field will not be folding compared to the one that Serena had.

Chris Kuerten
08-02-2012, 07:36 PM
Don;t get why they will withdraw cause the earliest they are going to play is wednesday.Fatigue. With Ferrer at least. He's 30 and having his best year ever, it's in his best interest to skip this tournament, especially now he has to play two more doubles matches.

DJ Soup
08-02-2012, 07:37 PM
excellent. Delpo's first 1000 then?

ImmzB
08-02-2012, 07:38 PM
Nahh I think Almagro's goal is to have his arm fall off from the shoulder down.

:lol:

niff
08-02-2012, 07:38 PM
The picture :rolls: Dying.

IOFH
08-02-2012, 07:39 PM
That puppy dog-face :spit:

ImmzB
08-02-2012, 07:39 PM
excellent. Delpo's first 1000 then?

Del Potro may withdraw as well if he reaches the Final in the singles and the later stages of the Mixed Doubles.

Paylu2007
08-02-2012, 07:40 PM
wow poor toronto organizers

The Prince
08-02-2012, 07:41 PM
Del Potro may withdraw as well if he reaches the Final in the singles and the later stages of the Mixed Doubles.

What's the difference if he makes the final or not? :lol:

bounccer
08-02-2012, 07:44 PM
Ferrer to win Toronto after Nadal / Federer / Djoke / Murray withdrawals

bounccer
08-02-2012, 07:45 PM
Oops, Ferrer withdraw too

Li Ching Yuen
08-02-2012, 07:45 PM
With all these withdrawls, Robredo is IN with his protected ranking.

Time for another MASTERS title. ;)

daddy
08-02-2012, 07:46 PM
Nadal, Verdasco and Monfils are out

Federer, Djokovic, Murray, Ferrer, Tsonga, Del Potro are still at the Olympics so they can't come to Toronto until Monday which makes me think they'll either tank, be jetlag or withdraw....

stuey87
08-02-2012, 07:47 PM
Del Potro may withdraw as well if he reaches the Final in the singles and the later stages of the Mixed Doubles.

Don't fancy him getting any further in the mixed - to get to the final they'd have to beat Bryan/Raymond and then either Mirnyi or Paes...!

LastRocket
08-02-2012, 07:47 PM
Serve bot for the title

Paylu2007
08-02-2012, 07:48 PM
i'm confused, is 2013 montreal's year?

last i heard is that every year they take turns to host the TMS (toronto/montreal)so let's make some calculations:

This year is 2012.
TMS is hosted at Toronto this year.
1 + 1 = 2
Johnny Weir is gay.

:confused:

Vinceremo
08-02-2012, 07:48 PM
Monaco is smiling somewhere, that's for sure.

ImmzB
08-02-2012, 07:48 PM
What's the difference if he makes the final or not? :lol:

My bad. I thought the Bronze Medal match was on Saturday.

Paylu2007
08-02-2012, 07:49 PM
I think we all know what is really going on...

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It seems like you are fishing something with that comment :devil::devil::devil:

stuey87
08-02-2012, 07:49 PM
With all these withdrawls, Robredo is IN with his protected ranking.

Time for another MASTERS title. ;)

Haha, more likely that Young (next on the alt list) gets in and wins his first (and that's saying something...)

STUHL
08-02-2012, 07:50 PM
Kohli's Masterplan. Going for 1000 points next week. :D

The Fearhand
08-02-2012, 07:50 PM
"I hope to be back in 2014"

??????????? :confused:

I think he meant to be back in the next Toronto tournament (in 2014).

dencod16
08-02-2012, 07:51 PM
Haha, more likely that Young (next on the alt list) gets in and wins his first (and that's saying something...)

both Robredo and Young are in, as the SE will most likely be cleared now.

Paylu2007
08-02-2012, 07:51 PM
Finally!!!! Berdych will get past R1 on a tournament!!! :D

FedGOAT
08-02-2012, 07:53 PM
well, fed and nole are in a fight for #1. Those 2 might wanna play this...

finishingmove
08-02-2012, 07:53 PM
Monaco is smiling somewhere, that's for sure.

http://images.clipartof.com/small/37123-Clipart-Illustration-Of-A-Peaceful-Vulture-Smiling-And-Gesturing-The-Peace-Sign.jpg

dencod16
08-02-2012, 07:54 PM
Finally!!!! Berdych will get past R1 on a tournament!!! :D

Well of course he has a bye. :)

ImmzB
08-02-2012, 07:55 PM
Ferrer is OUT.

TMJordan
08-02-2012, 07:55 PM
Some of us that are going will actually enjoy it more now. :)

Paylu2007
08-02-2012, 07:57 PM
Some of us that are going will actually enjoy it more now. :)

now? i guess u dont attend to many challengers then; u could enjoy that lvl of play more often :haha:

EddieNero
08-02-2012, 07:58 PM
On a serious note, Nadal doesn't look good on this pic. Maybe it's just a bad shot, but he seems more worn out than usually.

Paylu2007
08-02-2012, 08:00 PM
Well of course he has a bye. :)

:lol: :lol:

Roger the Dodger
08-02-2012, 08:01 PM
This might well be the best master series tournament in a long time for totally other reasons -- an open draw on all sides!

I see Fish, Berdych, Monaco, Nishikori all doing well here.

WhoCares
08-02-2012, 08:02 PM
what's up with people saying Nole and Murray will withdraw? they are defending alot of points there. NO WAY They'll withdraw!

henke007
08-02-2012, 08:02 PM
Vultures gonna vulture

IOFH
08-02-2012, 08:04 PM
The last time none of the top 4 was in a 1000-final was the IW-Miami combo of 2010, right?

Paris 2010, of course.

henke007
08-02-2012, 08:05 PM
Murray will prob cruise to the title in Toronto..

MuzzahLovah
08-02-2012, 08:05 PM
Nadal, Verdasco and Monfils are out

Federer, Djokovic, Murray, Ferrer, Tsonga, Del Potro are still at the Olympics so they can't come to Toronto until Monday which makes me think they'll either tank, be jetlag or withdraw....

This will be really tough for Djokovic and Murray to skip a hardcourt masters like that, but I think they'll have to if they want to be in shape for the rest of hc season.

henke007
08-02-2012, 08:06 PM
Vultures 1000

tommyg6
08-02-2012, 08:06 PM
This could be a prime opportunity for Milos to win his first Masters Shield with all the top players weary from the Olympics.

Paylu2007
08-02-2012, 08:06 PM
http://nl.dreamstime.com/vulture-party,-masai-mara,-kenya-thumb12061806.jpg

Smoke944
08-02-2012, 08:07 PM
This could be a prime opportunity for Milos to win his first Masters Shield with all the top players weary from the Olympics.

Yes, Raonic will take the title.

Moozza
08-02-2012, 08:07 PM
Did Murray not lose in R2 last year?

If so he will probably tank/withdraw as he will have virtually no points to defend.

iriraz
08-02-2012, 08:09 PM
well, fed and nole are in a fight for #1. Those 2 might wanna play this...

Regarding Djokovic,i read on a site that if he gets a medal he has to fly over to Serbia to present the medal to the fans.So lots of promo work he has to do before Toronto.So it`s really questionable if he makes it there.
Also i`m sure the other medalists will have promo work to do on Monday so unlikely they could reach Toronto till tuesday evening.
So it will be tough for the semi finalists at the Olympics to perform at Toronto

Paylu2007
08-02-2012, 08:10 PM
Vultures 1000

http://youtu.be/xSi2JdGBwxc?t=47s

mseles1
08-02-2012, 08:14 PM
what's up with people saying Nole and Murray will withdraw? they are defending alot of points there. NO WAY They'll withdraw!

Murray lost R2.
Surprised Rafa mentioned he's practising.

tennizen
08-02-2012, 08:14 PM
Rafa preparing for best ever late season finish.

daddy
08-02-2012, 08:16 PM
well, fed and nole are in a fight for #1. Those 2 might wanna play this...

Fed won't play it for sure (due to his age he's exempt.)

motorhead
08-02-2012, 08:18 PM
Fed will take a week off Ibiza.

Fujee
08-02-2012, 08:18 PM
Expected, but shitty news all the same. I wish him a speedy recovery, get well soon champ.

finishingmove
08-02-2012, 08:19 PM
see you in 2014 then

branimir_iliev
08-02-2012, 08:25 PM
His US hard court season is already beginning to unravel. Not good news for him no doubt. Good news for his competitors I guess. How will he get any practice under his belt now for USO? If he plays in Cincy, he may be too rusty and will probably get exposed on that very fast surface. If he crashes out early in Cincy then, his confidence going into the USO will be less than good.

MTwEeZi
08-02-2012, 08:26 PM
Look at Humbalito humbly sit on that humble bench :awww:

iriraz
08-02-2012, 08:32 PM
Wawrinka and Harrison can be added to the list of withdrawals.

buddyholly
08-02-2012, 08:33 PM
Hope Federer and Djokovic don't come either. That way there will be exciting matches on the main court.

bounccer
08-02-2012, 08:33 PM
Djokovic will play to regain the number one and to defend his title. Federer? I would be surprised, i don't know about Murray but still, it's a golden chance to win a 1000 for the rest of the field, it will be exciting.

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
08-02-2012, 08:34 PM
his PR team is one of the best ever known

my compliments again

WhoCares
08-02-2012, 08:34 PM
Nole defending the title. He's playing for sure.

Lopez
08-02-2012, 08:35 PM
Sad to see him WD. Good for Federer and Djokovic when looking at the race for nr.1 though...

yesyesok
08-02-2012, 08:37 PM
There's an article in a non English language where federer commits to playing Toronto next week. even if he wins Olympics the field should be so weak it'd be mental not to pla it. Top guys can vulture too.

masterclass
08-02-2012, 08:39 PM
Nole defending the title. He's playing for sure.

Agreed. It's difficult to see him not playing. He's defending 1000 points.
Federer only defends 90 and Nadal 10 there.
If Federer does better than Djokovic in the Olympics, I would say he is a lock to skip Toronto and focus on Cincinnati and the US Open.

Respectfully,
masterclass

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
08-02-2012, 08:39 PM
nadal and ferrer are a loss for sure
but its still a strong field
and nole,fed, muzzah are still the 3 strongest HC players

allpro
08-02-2012, 08:40 PM
no ferrer (aka raoslayer) is good for milos.

branimir_iliev
08-02-2012, 08:41 PM
Djokovic will play to regain the number one and to defend his title. Federer? I would be surprised, i don't know about Murray but still, it's a golden chance to win a 1000 for the rest of the field, it will be exciting.

If he, in fact, does that then the Serb is really playing high stakes poker with his own season. Because he also has a final in Cincy to defend and Cincy happens to be the best practice for USO not Rogers cup. Is he going to risk skipping Cincy then?

And because if he reaches the final here in the Olympics (win or lose) and THEN plays rogers cup and cincy, his chances to defend the USO will drastically go down at some point. Does he want to defend USO or does he want to defend the #1 ranking and rogers cup? If he thinks he can do both after the Olympics.. and somehow pulls it off, more power to him. But in reality, he will probably be feeling it physically, you can bet on that, if he plays so much. Assuming your suggested scenario happens of course. He may just opt to skip rogers.

iriraz
08-02-2012, 08:41 PM
There's an article in a non English language where federer commits to playing Toronto next week. even if he wins Olympics the field should be so weak it'd be mental not to pla it. Top guys can vulture too.

Well,all the top guys are commited to play but the decision to actually play the tournament will be made at the end of the week.
It`s tough to say right now how tired the players will be after Sunday.He can easily change his mind if he has to play 5 sets and then do lots of promotional stuff the next day.

Looner
08-02-2012, 08:41 PM
his PR team is one of the best ever known

my compliments again

Yup, no doubt. The poor injured warrior is barely walking yet watch him win the USO in 3 weeks' time

Matt01
08-02-2012, 08:43 PM
Monaco is smiling somewhere, that's for sure.


Canadian Open are played on a relatively slow HC so I hope he will do well there :)

iriraz
08-02-2012, 08:47 PM
Agreed. It's difficult to see him not playing. He's defending 1000 points.
Federer only defends 90 and Nadal 10 there.
If Federer does better than Djokovic in the Olympics, I would say he is a lock to skip Toronto and focus on Cincinnati and the US Open.

Respectfully,
masterclass

I doubt he is thinking of points and defending a title right now.He surely doesn`t want to make a mistake like last year playing Davis Cup after Us Open without any preparation and getting himself injured.
The decision if he will play will probably be made Sunday or Monday.If he has to play 5 sets and then travel to Serbia to present a medal it will be tough to regroup and with the travel and fast surface change it can easily result in an injury

Looner
08-02-2012, 08:49 PM
If Djokovic plays here and manages to play in Cincy as well, then he'd be quite tired for the USO, peak or no peak. I reckon he should skip, so I hope he doesn't :).

tommyg6
08-02-2012, 08:58 PM
I think an event like Rogers Cup is prime stuff for Milos to win cuz A) its slow hard court and it gives Raonic time to bash that ball and B) its in Canada and C) all the top players will be tired from the Olympics and D) he's rested.

I say Milos will reach the semi-finals at the very least. He will either reach semis, finals or win the whole thing!

Freak3yman84
08-02-2012, 09:00 PM
I think an event like Rogers Cup is prime stuff for Milos to win cuz A) its slow hard court and it gives Raonic time to bash that ball and B) its in Canada and C) all the top players will be tired from the Olympics and D) he's rested.

I say Milos will reach the semi-finals at the very least. He will either reach semis, finals or win the whole thing!

He should do well, but it depends on his draw. Milos is prone to getting the worst possible draw though ;)

lalaland
08-02-2012, 09:07 PM
I wonder if Tsonga will w/d soon. He will play double on sun in London. And he signed up for Salem the week before USO. I can't see him playing non-stop from this week all the way to USO.

Freak3yman84
08-02-2012, 09:12 PM
Wawrinka and Harrison can be added to the list of withdrawals.

Why would Harrison withdraw :confused: He only had to play 1 match in London...

misty1
08-02-2012, 09:24 PM
wow, this event is becoming a mess already and will probably become even more of one. You really cant help but feel bad for the organisers when its looking likely that not even half of the top 30 will be there

buddyholly
08-02-2012, 09:24 PM
6 hours time difference, long flight, tiredness in general, and biggest argument is changing surfaces ;)

Imagine on Sunday you play Olympic bronze medal match on grass, on Monday travel to Canada already being dead tired, then on Tuesday you have to practice to adjust to the surface while still suffering jetlag and the day after you have to be match fit again.

Only 5 hours. No excuses.

samanosuke
08-02-2012, 09:25 PM
daddy, entire top 100 could withdraw and still cilic won't reach premier master 1000 1/2 . leave any hope for something like that

bobbynorwich
08-02-2012, 09:30 PM
Regarding Djokovic,i read on a site that if he gets a medal he has to fly over to Serbia to present the medal to the fans.So lots of promo work he has to do before Toronto.So it`s really questionable if he makes it there.
Also i`m sure the other medalists will have promo work to do on Monday so unlikely they could reach Toronto till tuesday evening.


He has to? If Federer wins does he have to fly to Switzerland to present the medal to the fans too? If Murray wins will he have to present his medal to Great Britain from Buckingham Palace balcony?

Oh wait, guess not, that would be too grandiose for Fed or Muzza, not their style. Fits for Dfaker though.

In the race for No. 1, if Djoker skips Canada, that's a big point loss as he won it last year, while Fed only got to the third round.

:cool:

mike s.
08-02-2012, 09:31 PM
Poor Canada. The ATP should have adjusted its schedule and bumped everything back a week. New York is still warm enough the first two weeks of September. Anyway, Gilles already said he would be there so that's one player in the top 15 :p. Hopefully he doesn't blow this opportunity and lose 1r or something.

lalaland
08-02-2012, 09:34 PM
Gilles already said he would be there so that's one player in the top 15 :p. Hopefully he doesn't blow this opportunity and lose 1r or something.

He has a bye ;), so he can't lose R1.

The Prince
08-02-2012, 09:34 PM
Woohoo, now Donald Young will get in and get his ass kicked, again.

Watch out Spadea.

iriraz
08-02-2012, 09:37 PM
He has to? If Federer wins does he have to fly to Switzerland to present the medal to the fans too? If Murray wins will he have to present his medal to Great Britain from Buckingham Palace balcony?

Oh wait, guess not, that would be too grandiose for Fed or Muzza, not their style. Fits for Dfaker though.

In the race for No. 1, if Djoker skips Canada, that's a big point loss as he won it last year, while Fed only got to the third round.

:cool:

I dunno about Federer or Murray but regarding Djokovic,Tipsarevic says that they signed a contract to go to Serbia to present the medals before they should fly to Toronto.
U can read everything here:http://www.thetennisspace.com/opinion/tipsarevic-the-olympics-could-be-like-any-other-event/

tealeaves
08-02-2012, 09:39 PM
I can see some surprising winner this year, someone like Almagro or Fish, or even Berdych

jjc225
08-02-2012, 09:45 PM
Is Kohlschreiber playing this tournament, or is he still out with an injury?

misty1
08-02-2012, 09:50 PM
I can see some surprising winner this year, someone like Almagro or Fish, or even Berdych

raonic anyone?

misty1
08-02-2012, 09:51 PM
its definately possible and looking more and more likely

viruzzz
08-02-2012, 09:52 PM
Rest well, champ.
Hope to see the big 4 back in Cincy. But i'm not confident about that.

Blue Heart24
08-02-2012, 09:52 PM
Hopefully Federer,Djokovic and Murray withdraw too.Would be great that someone else wins a Masters tournament.

STUHL
08-02-2012, 09:53 PM
Is Kohlschreiber playing this tournament, or is he still out with an injury?I guess that he will play.

misty1
08-02-2012, 09:55 PM
Hopefully Federer,Djokovic and Murray withdraw too.Would be great that someone else wins a Masters tournament.

it would be a great oppertunity for everyone else but on the other hand, as far as the tournament goes it would be a disaster really. No top players, they'd have a hard time selling tickets even with canadians in the draw

Blue Heart24
08-02-2012, 09:59 PM
it would be a great oppertunity for everyone else but on the other hand, as far as the tournament goes it would be a disaster really. No top players, they'd have a hard time selling tickets even with canadians in the draw

True,but the tournament is definitely going to be more enjoyable :D

iriraz
08-02-2012, 10:01 PM
it would be a great oppertunity for everyone else but on the other hand, as far as the tournament goes it would be a disaster really. No top players, they'd have a hard time selling tickets even with canadians in the draw

The calendar was set a long time ago,so the organisers have to expect that the top players might skip it this year,if they do well at the Olympics.
It certainly can be a strange tournament,like Bercy in the past

misty1
08-02-2012, 10:02 PM
True,but the tournament is definitely going to be more enjoyable :D

I do like a little unpredictability myself, i just hope that in the end we get a strong winner and not some fluke completely out of left field like monaco

misty1
08-02-2012, 10:03 PM
The calendar was set a long time ago,so the organisers have to expect that the top players might skip it this year,if they do well at the Olympics.

yes, they have to expect it but that doesnt change the fact that it will make things hard on them if as many of the top players that are expected to withdraw do

Corey Feldman
08-02-2012, 10:05 PM
lol Toronto gonna be a real vultures tournie, watch Roddick get lucky

reminds me in the 90's one year when Chris Woodruff won title, remember him

Litotes
08-02-2012, 10:08 PM
If he, in fact, does that then the Serb is really playing high stakes poker with his own season. Because he also has a final in Cincy to defend and Cincy happens to be the best practice for USO not Rogers cup. Is he going to risk skipping Cincy then?

And because if he reaches the final here in the Olympics (win or lose) and THEN plays rogers cup and cincy, his chances to defend the USO will drastically go down at some point. Does he want to defend USO or does he want to defend the #1 ranking and rogers cup? If he thinks he can do both after the Olympics.. and somehow pulls it off, more power to him. But in reality, he will probably be feeling it physically, you can bet on that, if he plays so much. Assuming your suggested scenario happens of course. He may just opt to skip rogers.

I agree with this. Djokovic is not known for playing every week. He is not Thomas Muster. To expect him to play to the end of three straight weeks, with a change both of surface and continent in the middle, and to do this as preparation for this year's last major, is to expect a lot. I don't think he will play in Canada.

Whiznot
08-02-2012, 10:13 PM
Let me guess, he has an injury that dates back to Wimbledon?

The injury had to happen some time after the Rosol match because in the interview after that match Nadal said the Rosol loss was a big blow because he was in shape to win Wimbledon again.

Whatever, I hope to see Nadal in a good state of mind and back on court soon.

Alex999
08-02-2012, 10:13 PM
some of you guys are over reacting a little bit. first of all, Rogers Cup is one of the oldest and most prestigious tournaments in the world. I'm pretty sure that Djokovic, Federer and Murray will be there, and there you go ... everyone is happy.

misty1
08-02-2012, 10:16 PM
some of you guys are over reacting a little bit. first of all, Rogers Cup is one of the oldest and most prestigious tournaments in the world. I'm pretty sure that Djokovic, Federer and Murray will be there, and there you go ... everyone is happy.

they have to prioritize. All 3 have made deep runs and will be playing this weekend at the olympics and all 3 will have commitments after they have finished. Its a tight turn around between the olympics, cinci and the US open and they wont want to tire themselves out before the US open.

If they have to cut a tournament then the rogers cup seems likely

LoveFifteen
08-02-2012, 10:18 PM
Never in doubt that ignorant haters would insult Nadal's photo. He's sent out pictures like this ever since he joined Facebook. He's not sad or lonely. He looks like he does in most pictures.

The bulge in his pants is great in this photo. :hearts:

Whiznot
08-02-2012, 10:54 PM
Djokovic will play to regain the number one and to defend his title. Federer? I would be surprised, i don't know about Murray but still, it's a golden chance to win a 1000 for the rest of the field, it will be exciting.

Someone earlier posted that should Federer win over Delpo then Djokovic can't reclaim number one even if he wins Toronto and Federer skips it. Djokovic has 1,000 points to defend while Federer defends 90.

Whiznot
08-02-2012, 11:04 PM
Never in doubt that ignorant haters would insult Nadal's photo. He's sent out pictures like this ever since he joined Facebook. He's not sad or lonely. He looks like he does in most pictures.

The bulge in his pants is great in this photo. :hearts:

That bulge is the stinking banana that he carries to every tennis court.

Kiedis
08-02-2012, 11:23 PM
all BS

nadal will play toronto


:rolleyes:

duong
08-02-2012, 11:57 PM
Someone earlier posted that should Federer win over Delpo then Djokovic can't reclaim number one even if he wins Toronto and Federer skips it. Djokovic has 1,000 points to defend while Federer defends 90.

if Fed wins over Del Po AND Djokovic loses to Murray ;)

in that case yes even if he loses the final and skips Toronto, Fed would be number 1 next monday and on monday after Toronto

ImmzB
08-03-2012, 12:18 AM
Apparently Roddick has withdrawn.

jcempire
08-03-2012, 12:20 AM
I hope Nadal be back soon. Verdasco who cares

Of course not. Rest of guys including Roger, Nole and Andy....

duong
08-03-2012, 12:33 AM
As far as Toronto is concerned, there's a difference between the players who will play the gold-medal match and those who will play the bronze medal match : they will all play on sunday, but the first ones will play a 5-setter match, the latter ones will play a 3-setter match.

Edda
08-03-2012, 12:49 AM
Sounds pretty boring.

Nole Rules
08-03-2012, 12:50 AM
Berdych ain't winning sh!t. He can't even vulture.

Topspindoctor
08-03-2012, 01:23 AM
Lol. Who cares about Fiasco, Ferrer and Monfils not participating? Nadal's withdrawal alone is enough to make this tournament irrelevant.

Johnny Groove
08-03-2012, 01:25 AM
Apparently Roddick has withdrawn.

Source?

As far as Toronto is concerned, there's a difference between the players who will play the gold-medal match and those who will play the bronze medal match : they will all play on sunday, but the first ones will play a 5-setter match, the latter ones will play a 3-setter match.

Bronze match is Saturday :scratch:

chenx15
08-03-2012, 01:54 AM
this sucks. if the top 4 don't show up. it's going to be pretty much a mickey mouse 1000

Han Solo
08-03-2012, 01:58 AM
Rest well, champ.
Hope to see the big 4 back in Cincy. But i'm not confident about that.
Hmmm. I fully expect Nadal to be back for US Open at the latest. I also expect him to do very well there.

Why? He's had injury problems before, taken time off, and come back even better than before. Whether that's due to an excellent training and recovery programme, or due to other reasons, I really don't know. He made the finals of three of the last four hard court majors. I'm predicting semis at least this year, and more depending on the draw he gets. He wants to be in Federer's half, not Djokovic's...

tommyg6
08-03-2012, 02:36 AM
According to twitter, Wawrinka has withdrawn from Toronto.

tripwires
08-03-2012, 02:53 AM
Roger hasn't withdrawn yet, no? :shrug:

Nole Rules
08-03-2012, 03:03 AM
Lol. Who cares about Fiasco, Ferrer and Monfils not participating? Nadal's withdrawal alone is enough to make this tournament irrelevant.

:lol:

Pirata.
08-03-2012, 03:29 AM
Finally!!!! Berdych will get past R1 on a tournament!!! :D

:spit:

leng jai
08-03-2012, 04:01 AM
Hass will vulture the shit out of this gimp tournament.

Paylu2007
08-03-2012, 04:03 AM
Hass will vulture the shit of this gimp tournament.

let's pray for that to happen ;)

Mark Lenders
08-03-2012, 05:11 AM
Bad for tennis that Nadal and Monfils are out.

Hope all the four Olympic semifinalists go to this tournament though.

Nole Rules
08-03-2012, 05:16 AM
This will be a perfect event for vultures. :rocker2:

Mark Lenders
08-03-2012, 05:22 AM
This will be a perfect event for vultures. :rocker2:

Nah, there will be enough good players in the draw to prevent vultures from winning anything. And Ferrer has withdrawn anyway.

sylacauga
08-03-2012, 05:23 AM
The ATP had to have realized that with so many of the top players participating at the Olympics in both singles & doubles that something like this was bound to happen. Expecting players to travel & make a sudden transition to another surface that quickly was unrealistic to say the least. Did the ATP give any thoughts to perhaps scheduling Toronto & Cincy a week later this year? Although this would have not been the perfect solution & participation at Cincy may have suffered somewhat as a result, it would surely be better than the mass exodus we are witnessing now. This is particularly unfair to a player like Djokovic who is defending 1000 pts in the Rogers Cup and will now probably have to W/D or tank to avoid physical injury/exhaustion.

abraxas21
08-03-2012, 05:30 AM
Some of us that are going will actually enjoy it more now. :)

u wont be saying that when we get a monaco robredo final

abraxas21
08-03-2012, 05:31 AM
Hope Federer and Djokovic don't come either. That way there will be exciting matches on the main court.

thats true tbh

then again, even if they come i dont think they'd go deep considering they're in london at the moment

LinkMage
08-03-2012, 05:52 AM
Lol. Who cares about Fiasco, Ferrer and Monfils not participating? Nadal's withdrawal alone is enough to make this tournament irrelevant.


Welcome back, hope you enjoyed the end of Wimbledon. Too bad you weren't here to share your insightful thoughts. ;) :D

BroTree123
08-03-2012, 07:31 AM
Lol. Who cares about Fiasco, Ferrer and Monfils not participating? Nadal's withdrawal alone is enough to make this tournament irrelevant.

Yes you're back. I fucking missed you man :sobbing:

Everyday you weren't there I was close to cutting myself.

viruzzz
08-03-2012, 07:35 AM
Yes you're back. I fucking missed you man :sobbing:

Everyday you weren't there I was close to cutting myself.

Same here.
The Warlocq was the only reason I didn't lose my mind.

BroTree123
08-03-2012, 07:36 AM
Same here.
The Warlocq was the only reason I didn't lose my mind.

Our dear, faithful Warlocq.

The meaning of life. 42 translates as Warlocq if you didn't know already.

duong
08-03-2012, 07:42 AM
Did the ATP give any thoughts to perhaps scheduling Toronto & Cincy a week later this year? Although this would have not been the perfect solution & participation at Cincy may have suffered somewhat as a result, it would surely be better than the mass exodus we are witnessing now.

scheduling Cinci the week before the US Open would have led to a more massive exodus, I think.

The ATP had no other choice if one thinks carefully, considering that they have no weight in the decision in the dates of the Olympic Games.

This is particularly unfair to a player like Djokovic who is defending 1000 pts in the Rogers Cup and will now probably have to W/D or tank to avoid physical injury/exhaustion.

the notion of "defending" points only has a signification in a case of a player who has a massive advantage on one surface like Nadal on clay.

Beside that, I don't use this notion like that : the points from last year are lost 52 weeks later anyway then everything starts from zero and you do your best in every tournament. That's the way I see it.

Djokovic and Fed will be top-2 seeds in the US Open anyway :shrug:

Besides, I don't think Djokovic will withdraw : he lost his double in first round in 2 sets and didn't have very tough matches, the Olympics are not tiring at all for him so far :shrug:

I can see Federer (old) and even Murray (used to not being interested in other tournaments than slams and Olympics recently and still in mixed doubles) withdrawing much more than Djokovic withdrawing.

duong
08-03-2012, 07:51 AM
Bronze match is Saturday :scratch:

sunday : http://2012.itftennis.com/olympics/schedule/event-schedule.aspx

samanosuke
08-03-2012, 08:02 AM
Yes you're back. I fucking missed you man :sobbing:

Everyday you weren't there I was close to cutting myself.

disturbing sadness in this post

Satasonic
08-03-2012, 08:25 AM
A tournament without Nadull cant be a washout. I hope Federer and Djokovic go to it, though. Murray isnt a factor anyway, so yeah.

Nole Rules
08-03-2012, 08:37 AM
Yes you're back. I fucking missed you man :sobbing:

Everyday you weren't there I was close to cutting myself.

:scared:

Absolute Anthropoid
08-03-2012, 08:40 AM
It's yours for the taking Mugaco

Pratik
08-03-2012, 08:46 AM
The ATP had to have realized that with so many of the top players participating at the Olympics in both singles & doubles that something like this was bound to happen. Expecting players to travel & make a sudden transition to another surface that quickly was unrealistic to say the least. Did the ATP give any thoughts to perhaps scheduling Toronto & Cincy a week later this year? Although this would have not been the perfect solution & participation at Cincy may have suffered somewhat as a result, it would surely be better than the mass exodus we are witnessing now. This is particularly unfair to a player like Djokovic who is defending 1000 pts in the Rogers Cup and will now probably have to W/D or tank to avoid physical injury/exhaustion.

This is bound to happen when the length of the season is reduced(without reducing the number of major tournaments).

And when you talk about unfairness, surely it is more unfair to Federer, who has to defend 3000 points in three weeks at the end of the season.

TBkeeper
08-03-2012, 08:48 AM
Davydenko to win Toronto :D

duong
08-03-2012, 08:54 AM
So far :

- Nadal's, Monfils's and Ferrero's withdrawals are not related to the Olympics

- Verdasco and Wawrinka lost early in the Olympics, we don't know why they withdrew (at least I didn't read that anywhere), that may be an injury, that may be "personal"

- Ferrer I don't know why he withdrew either

and such withdrawals could have happened without the Olympics anyway :shrug:

if there's a "washout", we will know it in next days only.

duong
08-03-2012, 08:55 AM
Roddick's withdrawal is official :

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=204920

Davydenko to win Toronto :D

he was only an alternate and withdrew

but Nalbandian and Haas are in ;)

TBkeeper
08-03-2012, 08:59 AM
he was only an alternate and withdrew

but Nalbandian is in, Haas nearly in ;)

LOLwut ? you serious ?

so .... Davydenko gonna retire soon .............. cause of his statement

duong
08-03-2012, 09:03 AM
LOLwut ? you serious ?

so .... Davydenko gonna retire soon .............. cause of his statement

you mean because he said he would retire if he can't enter Masters 1000 main draws ?

well I don't know he's had a baby 2 months ago : it's a specific period and people's opinions may change living such events ;)

TBkeeper
08-03-2012, 09:20 AM
you mean because he said he would retire if he can't enter Masters 1000 main draws ?

well I don't know he's had a baby 2 months ago : it's a specific period and people's opinions may change living such events ;)

Yes the same statement ... :sad: ...
btw where are you finding the acceptance list of the tournaments

duong
08-03-2012, 09:23 AM
Yes the same statement ... :sad: ...
btw where are you finding the acceptance list of the tournaments

Upcoming tournaments (http://www.menstennisforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=14)

as I said, he said that one day but his opinions may change : many tennis players have said something about retiring and changed their mind later, and many people have said something and changed their opinion after having a baby :lol:

it seems that he played quite well during the Olympics, even in doubles

August
08-03-2012, 09:36 AM
"Will Toronto be a washout?"

Nope, it'll be the 6th slam right after the 5th slam, Washington.

henke007
08-03-2012, 10:06 AM
No Roddick is a def washout

asmazif
08-03-2012, 10:11 AM
Should be fun (as long as someone like Pico doesn't win)

henke007
08-03-2012, 10:12 AM
Murray/Pico in the final book it

duarte_a
08-03-2012, 11:48 AM
Hope Federer and Djokovic don't come either. That way there will be exciting matches on the main court.

Define exciting matches for you please. :confused:

duarte_a
08-03-2012, 11:49 AM
There's an article in a non English language where federer commits to playing Toronto next week. even if he wins Olympics the field should be so weak it'd be mental not to pla it. Top guys can vulture too.

Link please.

LastRocket
08-03-2012, 12:29 PM
I heard on BBC that Del Potro pulled out

ImmzB
08-03-2012, 02:59 PM
I heard on BBC that Del Potro pulled out

Yeah, most likely he will.

ImmzB
08-03-2012, 03:32 PM
Almagro OUT.

Mystique
08-03-2012, 05:18 PM
No chance in hell Roger or Juan Martin play this now!

Ace Pounder
08-03-2012, 05:45 PM
Poor Toronto... :smooch:

Pirata.
08-03-2012, 05:46 PM
Fed out :lol:

tealeaves
08-03-2012, 05:48 PM
Berdych is so winning this

viruzzz
08-03-2012, 05:51 PM
Fed out :lol:

Confirmed?
I mean, it's the logic thing here...
But with this guy you never know.

Allez
08-03-2012, 05:51 PM
I wonder which top 10 vulture is going to swoop in now :rolleyes: Just let the youngsters contest this already. Can you imagine if the winner was Tomic/Dimitrov/Goffin ? Fantastic for tennis...

AntiTennis
08-03-2012, 05:52 PM
Confirmed?
I mean, it's the logic thing here...
But with this guy you never know.
from twitter

Svenja Mastroberardi ‏@svenja_sportch
Roger Federer withdraws from Toronto Masters (via @TAlternative)

WhoCares
08-03-2012, 05:57 PM
I wonder which top 10 vulture is going to swoop in now :rolleyes: Just let the youngsters contest this already. Can you imagine if the winner was Tomic/Dimitrov/Goffin ? Fantastic for tennis...

They'll have their time. I hope Davy gets it.

ImmzB
08-03-2012, 05:58 PM
Del Potro next?

Corey Feldman
08-03-2012, 05:58 PM
not surprising but just hope physically that match today hasnt hurt something on him, making the decision so soon after the win

iriraz
08-03-2012, 06:00 PM
not surprising but just hope physically that match today hasnt hurt something on him, making the decision so soon after the win

I find it fair if a player withdraws before the draws comes out.Why should he wait until monday or tuesday?

jjc225
08-03-2012, 06:02 PM
If Kohlschreiber is healthy and plays this tournament, perhaps he could win it. If he wins it he could move up to world #13.

Arkin
08-03-2012, 06:06 PM
l'équipe annonces that wawa is out due to some knee issue


for the tournament, djoko will have to play this :D
berdych and tsonga should win this

Corey Feldman
08-03-2012, 06:08 PM
knew wawa didnt look right in Fedrinka dbls matches

severus
08-03-2012, 06:17 PM
Wow what an idiots Federer and Del Potro playing 4 hours in a tournament same level as ATP 250 and not to be a able to participate in a much more prestigious Toronto Masters, not to mention crying like little girls after the match, no? (Though they probably cried because they couldn't participate in Toronto, no?).

Johnny Groove
08-03-2012, 06:17 PM
Berdych should be well rested.

rocketassist
08-03-2012, 06:18 PM
Cincinnati TD will be loving this though, all the top players will be taking it seriously as USO preparation.

bobbynorwich
08-03-2012, 06:25 PM
Wow what an idiots Federer and Del Potro playing 4 hours in a tournament same level as ATP 250 and not to be a able to participate in a much more prestigious Toronto Masters, not to mention crying like little girls after the match, no? (Though they probably cried because they couldn't participate in Toronto, no?).

Um ... Toronto tournament more prestigious than the Olympics? Really?

:confused:

niff
08-03-2012, 06:29 PM
Um ... Toronto tournament more prestigious than the Olympics? Really?

:confused:
Haven't you been reading MTF the past few week? :lol:

FormerRafaFan
08-03-2012, 06:38 PM
Not surprised.. he is injured after all, but lets face it.. it's not like he would have won this tournament anyway. He's a complete mug on hard court. Might as well withdraw and save the knees for the clay tourneys.. it's all he can win these days.

misty1
08-03-2012, 06:50 PM
so thats 11 of the top 30 and 4 of the top 10 out of the rogers cup

as i said before i do feel bad for the organisers. if murray and djokovic dont go what big names will they have to promote?

daddy
08-03-2012, 06:53 PM
Here's the list, red is confirmed out and green is possible out due to playing Sunday at Olympics.

1 Djokovic, Novak SRB 1
OUT Nadal, Rafael ESP 2
OUT Federer, Roger SUI 3
4 Murray, Andy GBR 4
OUT Ferrer, David ESP 5
6 Tsonga, Jo-Wilfried FRA 6
7 Berdych, Tomas CZE 7
8 Tipsarevic, Janko SRB 8
9 Del Potro, Juan Martin ARG 9
10 Isner, John USA 10
OUT Almagro, Nicolas ESP 11
12 Fish, Mardy USA 12
13 Simon, Gilles FRA 13
14 Monaco, Juan ARG 14
OUT Monfils, Gael FRA 15
OUT Verdasco, Fernando ESP 16
17 Lopez, Feliciano ESP 17
18 Cilic, Marin CRO 18
19 Gasquet, Richard FRA 19
20 Nishikori, Kei JPN 20
21 Dolgopolov, Alexandr UKR 21
22 Raonic, Milos CAN 22
23 Granollers, Marcel ESP 23
OUT Wawrinka, Stanislas SUI 24
OUT Roddick, Andy USA 25
26 Seppi, Andreas ITA 26
27 Stepanek, Radek CZE 27
28 Tomic, Bernard AUS 28
29 Mayer, Florian GER 29
30 Kohlschreiber, Philipp GER 30

daddy
08-03-2012, 07:00 PM
Here's the list, red is confirmed out and green is possible out due to playing Sunday at Olympics.

1 Djokovic, Novak SRB 1
OUT Nadal, Rafael ESP 2
OUT Federer, Roger SUI 3
4 Murray, Andy GBR 4
OUT Ferrer, David ESP 5
6 Tsonga, Jo-Wilfried FRA 6
7 Berdych, Tomas CZE 7
8 Tipsarevic, Janko SRB 8
9 Del Potro, Juan Martin ARG 9
10 Isner, John USA 10
OUT Almagro, Nicolas ESP 11
12 Fish, Mardy USA 12
13 Simon, Gilles FRA 13
14 Monaco, Juan ARG 14
OUT Monfils, Gael FRA 15
OUT Verdasco, Fernando ESP 16
17 Lopez, Feliciano ESP 17
18 Cilic, Marin CRO 18
19 Gasquet, Richard FRA 19
20 Nishikori, Kei JPN 20
21 Dolgopolov, Alexandr UKR 21
22 Raonic, Milos CAN 22
23 Granollers, Marcel ESP 23
OUT Wawrinka, Stanislas SUI 24
OUT Roddick, Andy USA 25
26 Seppi, Andreas ITA 26
27 Stepanek, Radek CZE 27
28 Tomic, Bernard AUS 28
29 Mayer, Florian GER 29
30 Kohlschreiber, Philipp GER 30

This is how seeding should look if we take confirmed and expected withdrawals...


1 Berdych, Tomas (CZE)
2 Tipsarevic, Janko (SRB)
3 Monaco, Juan (ARG)
4 Isner, John (USA)
5 Simon, Gilles (FRA)
6 Cilic, Marin (CRO)
7 Fish, Mardy (USA)
8 Kohlschreiber, Philipp (GER)
9 Nishikori, Kei (JPN)
10 Verdasco, Fernando (ESP)
11 Monfils, Gael (FRA)
12 Mayer, Florian (GER)
13 Raonic, Milos (CAN)
14 Dolgopolov, Alexandr (UKR)
15 Stepanek, Radek (CZE)
16 Granollers, Marcel (ESP)

sylacauga
08-03-2012, 07:01 PM
The ATP had no other choice if one thinks carefully, considering that they have no weight in the decision in the dates of the Olympic Games.

It's not like the ATP just discovered the Olympics were going to happen 4 or 5 months ago; they have been aware of the scheduling problem posed here for years. Surely, they could have planned some better scheduling arrangement than this.


the notion of "defending" points only has a signification in a case of a player who has a massive advantage on one surface like Nadal on clay.

Beside that, I don't use this notion like that : the points from last year are lost 52 weeks later anyway then everything starts from zero and you do your best in every tournament. That's the way I see it.

Djokovic and Fed will be top-2 seeds in the US Open anyway :shrug:

Besides, I don't think Djokovic will withdraw : he lost his double in first round in 2 sets and didn't have very tough matches, the Olympics are not tiring at all for him so far :shrug:

I can see Federer (old) and even Murray (used to not being interested in other tournaments than slams and Olympics recently and still in mixed doubles) withdrawing much more than Djokovic withdrawing.

How can you believe that the world #2 and arguably the current best HC player is not a big favorite to defend his points in Toronto? It's not like Nole is a #60 ranked journeyman that would have a small chance at defending his Toronto title. At the very least he is a strong co-favorite. With the race this year being so close, being unable to try and defend 1000 pts could make a huge difference. Although I want Fed to end year #1, I still want it to happen fairly and without putting other players at a disadvantage, especially one that could probably have been avoided.

At this point, I see Fed, Nole, and Murray all pulling out. Nole has to play at least 2 more matches here with the last match taking place Sunday. Even if these matches are relatively easy, he still has to deal with making a transatlantic flight and adjusting to a completely different surface. I don't see how doing this in the span of 2 days would not cause major fatigue/possible injury especially after playing an entire week beforehand.

sylacauga
08-03-2012, 07:22 PM
This is bound to happen when the length of the season is reduced(without reducing the number of major tournaments).

And when you talk about unfairness, surely it is more unfair to Federer, who has to defend 3000 points in three weeks at the end of the season.

I agree that the schedule is bad for Fed as well, but he does a have a little more flexibility here. Although I know he would never do it, Fed could have skipped Basel this year and made up the points in Monte Carlo. Also Fed could skip Paris and play Shanghai instead.

dencod16
08-03-2012, 07:29 PM
They'll have their time. I hope Davy gets it.

I think Davydenko has withdrawn too.

masterclass
08-03-2012, 08:53 PM
Yes, it's official. Roger Federer has withdrawn from Toronto (http://www.rogerscup.com/men/english/currentNews.php?id=FEDERER_PULLS_OUT_OF_ROGERS_CUP _PRESENTED_BY_NATIONAL_BANK).

Respectfully,
masterclass

PitsOfTheWorld
08-03-2012, 08:56 PM
Gotta think that Djokovic will do his best to be there and defend his title, especially with so many players missing.

Or could he figure "if Fed's not there, I don't need to worry about defending teh points?"

But I'd think he'd at least go there and play a few matches, if not go all in to try to add some cushion going into Cincy.

But again, #1 and #2 are meaningless anyway.

IOFH
08-03-2012, 08:58 PM
If Djokovic skips Toronto it guarantees Fed #1 after USO and goes a long way in getting him towards the year-end #1. He needs to pretty much equal Djoko from Cinci to the end which seems very doable considering Fed's definitely the superior indoor player.

Pratik
08-03-2012, 09:21 PM
Smart that Federer pulled out.
His scheduling decisions are almost always really good.

Purple Rainbow
08-03-2012, 09:37 PM
No way is Djokovic playing Toronto.
Take a small rest, play Cincinnatti and start the US Open fresh.

duong
08-03-2012, 09:41 PM
How can you believe that the world #2 and arguably the current best HC player is not a big favorite to defend his points in Toronto? It's not like Nole is a #60 ranked journeyman that would have a small chance at defending his Toronto title. At the very least he is a strong co-favorite.

With the race this year being so close, being unable to try and defend 1000 pts could make a huge difference. Although I want Fed to end year #1, I still want it to happen fairly and without putting other players at a disadvantage, especially one that could probably have been avoided..

There's no "defending" or even losing last year's points in the Race, in the Race you just cumulate points and that's all, that's what the end-of-year will be about.

Besides, I don't understand your point : do you think Djokovic would be more of a favorite comparing to Fed in Toronto than in Cinci and the US Open ?

I don't think it's different : Djokovic can get his points wherever he wants, in Cinci or Toronto, "defending" or not "defending", last year's points get lost anyway and then you try your best to get points this year in all of the tournaments in which you take part.

Concretely, if, as I thought already a few days ago, Djokovic takes part in Toronto and Fed not, the player who is likely to get more points in this year's US Open series is Djokovic.

duong
08-03-2012, 09:44 PM
If Djokovic skips Toronto it guarantees Fed #1 after USO and goes a long way in getting him towards the year-end #1.

it would nearly (300 points difference) guarantee the number 1 for Fed after the US Open, but would say nothing about the year-end ranking, esp. if Djokovic wins the US Open.

duong
08-03-2012, 09:47 PM
It's not like the ATP just discovered the Olympics were going to happen 4 or 5 months ago; they have been aware of the scheduling problem posed here for years. Surely, they could have planned some better scheduling arrangement than this.

And what ?

you talked about scheduling Toronto and Cinci one week later, which means Cinci the week before the US Open, and I tell you that I think it would have been worse.

What else could they have done ? nothing imo

Corey Feldman
08-03-2012, 09:49 PM
get the hell out of this event Nole

you need the rest (and some comfort on your sore booboo after Murray slapped you all ways http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/happy/happy0029.gif)

buddyholly
08-03-2012, 09:51 PM
Yes, it's official. Roger Federer has withdrawn from Toronto (http://www.rogerscup.com/men/english/currentNews.php?id=FEDERER_PULLS_OUT_OF_ROGERS_CUP _PRESENTED_BY_NATIONAL_BANK).



Please, Djokovic. Pull out.

Corey Feldman
08-03-2012, 09:53 PM
the vulture will play there trying to steal the #1 back

IOFH
08-03-2012, 09:56 PM
it would nearly (300 points difference) guarantee the number 1 for Fed after the US Open, but would say nothing about the year-end ranking, esp. if Djokovic wins the US Open.

It would aid Federer a lot if we look at the rest of the field heading to Toronto; it's hard for me to see Djokovic beaten by a lower-ranked player on that surface and he could quite conmfortably gain 600-1000 points. IF he does not enter Toronto Fed's chances for year-end start to look good since he has 300-400 points in hand for Cincy, USO and indoor. Even if Djoko won USO I'd back Fed to make the difference in the indoor season based on the 2 previous years.

henke007
08-03-2012, 10:01 PM
Vulture in chief seeded nr 7 with a Bye in a Masters 1000 :rolls:

Roy Emerson
08-03-2012, 10:28 PM
Smart that Federer pulled out.
His scheduling decisions are almost always really good.

Mirka is a brilliant scheduler.

LastRocket
08-03-2012, 11:03 PM
I hope that Murray and Djoker pull out. I think that Delpo is out.

Roger Federer OUT
Novak Djokovic :confused:
Rafael Nadal OUT
Andy Murray :confused:
David Ferrer - confirmed
Jo Wilfried Tsonga :confused:
Tomas Berdych - confirmed
Janko Tipsarevic - confirmed
Juan Martin Del Potro - OUT
Juan Monaco - confirmed
John Isner - confirmed

Ferrer could be N1 seed :facepalm:

daddy
08-03-2012, 11:12 PM
I hope that Murray and Djoker pull out. I think that Delpo is out.

Roger Federer OUT
Novak Djokovic :confused:
Rafael Nadal OUT
Andy Murray :confused:
David Ferrer - confirmed
Jo Wilfried Tsonga :confused:
Tomas Berdych - confirmed
Janko Tipsarevic - confirmed
Juan Martin Del Potro - OUT
Juan Monaco - confirmed
John Isner - confirmed

Ferrer could be N1 seed :facepalm:

Ferrer is out. Where did you hear that Delpo is out?

samanosuke
08-03-2012, 11:44 PM
:lol: daddy digging deep to push cilic somewhere, artistic effort

samanosuke
08-03-2012, 11:45 PM
even if cilic has 5 byes he would still choke on some of those byes

nole_no1
08-03-2012, 11:47 PM
the vulture will play there trying to steal the #1 back

At least he's not playing Rotterdam or Halle

samanosuke
08-03-2012, 11:52 PM
At least he's not playing Rotterdam or Halle

that's because Fed played there so there was no chance of winning it

nole_no1
08-03-2012, 11:57 PM
Then i guess Federer didn't play in any of the tournaments Nole won in his career :scratch:

LastRocket
08-03-2012, 11:57 PM
Ferrer is out. Where did you hear that Delpo is out?

On BBC during the delpo fed match

KoOlMaNsEaN
08-03-2012, 11:59 PM
I knew the Rogers Cup would suck
:mad: @ WTA/ATP for fuckery in scheduling

daddy
08-03-2012, 11:59 PM
:lol: daddy digging deep to push cilic somewhere, artistic effort

Hope dies last, Bro ;)
...but watch Marin back in top 10 after AO