USA F21 R1:Stefan Kozlov(WC) def. Henrik Wiersholm(WC) 0-6,6-3,6-3 [Archive] - MensTennisForums.com

USA F21 R1:Stefan Kozlov(WC) def. Henrik Wiersholm(WC) 0-6,6-3,6-3

Aleksa9
07-25-2012, 10:45 AM
BIG win for 14 years old guy in first professional match ever!!!
I hope he can beat Adams.

duong
07-25-2012, 10:48 AM
BIG win for 14 years old guy in first professional match ever!!!
I hope he can beat Adams.

well he had defeated Wiersholm many times before :lol:

Pity that they look for an experience with adults and they do meet each other in first round again :facepalm:

Looks it lasted less than their 4 hour-match last year in Orange Bowl 14.

Adams won his first round ? Surely Kozlov can beat him : I think his junior ranking is better than Adams's.

Snowwy
07-25-2012, 01:52 PM
USA futures events at the start of the year are always strong enough, but as the year goes on, their level is really low sometimes. Last week not one player belonged in the quarterfinal of a futures event. This time two 14 year olds against each other and the winner gets Adams :lol:

out_here_grindin
07-25-2012, 07:23 PM
USA futures events at the start of the year are always strong enough, but as the year goes on, their level is really low sometimes. Last week not one player belonged in the quarterfinal of a futures event. This time two 14 year olds against each other and the winner gets Adams :lol:

are you kidding? Singh is a challenger level player. The others in the quarters were all worthy.

I expect Adams to beat Kozlov. Adams is 18 and more advanced than Kozlov right now.

SapELee
07-25-2012, 11:19 PM
well he had defeated Wiersholm many times before :lol:

Pity that they look for an experience with adults and they do meet each other in first round again :facepalm:

Looks it lasted less than their 4 hour-match last year in Orange Bowl 14.

Adams won his first round ? Surely Kozlov can beat him : I think his junior ranking is better than Adams's.

Adams is actually one of the top American juniors and he shares a coach with Ryan Harrison (Grant Doyle). His itf junior ranking is low b/c he doesn't play a lot of itf tournaments. A lot of American juniors don't play itfs, but instead focus on USTA events. I don't see Kozlov getting past Adams tbh. Like out_here_grindin said, Adams is a lot more advanced and he is also a lot bigger and stronger than Stefan.

The Prince
07-25-2012, 11:23 PM
I watched Kozlov against Broady at Wimbledon. I was shocked when he took a set from him. Dunno what type of future he has, though.

Smoke944
07-25-2012, 11:23 PM
I watched Kozlov against Broady at Wimbledon. I was shocked when he took a set from him. Dunno what type of future he has, though.

Great one. :)

The Prince
07-25-2012, 11:25 PM
Great one. :)

I wouldn't be surprised! He conducted himself very well on court, and found a way around the big difference in presence and stature, when I saw him. Looked very competent for somebody of his age.

Smoke944
07-25-2012, 11:31 PM
I wouldn't be surprised! He conducted himself very well on court, and found a way around the big difference in presence and stature, when I saw him. Looked very competent for somebody of his age.

I'm cautiously optimistic :angel:

The Prince
07-25-2012, 11:35 PM
I'm cautiously optimistic :angel:

Patience is the key. He may well have a great future, but we can't expect big things from him until maybe in 5 years' time.

Do you think the fact that he's playing top level junior tennis so young will influence him to try to break the senior game younger than other players usually do?

Deathless Mortal
07-25-2012, 11:42 PM
I heard Kozlov is a disgusting pusher :shrug:

Smoke944
07-25-2012, 11:45 PM
Patience is the key. He may well have a great future, but we can't expect big things from him until maybe in 5 years' time.

Do you think the fact that he's playing top level junior tennis so young will influence him to try to break the senior game younger than other players usually do?

Yep, patience is of the utmost important. Hope some people have learned from the Donald Young fiasco. This goes for all young Americans TBH.

And I do, mixed in with junior events.

I heard Kozlov is a disgusting pusher :shrug:

The person that said that must not know much about tennis. Same thing with people that don't understand how talented Tomic is :shrug:

The Prince
07-25-2012, 11:48 PM
Kozlov had a lot of game from what I saw of him. Pretty crafty, with a lot of heart.

Deathless Mortal
07-25-2012, 11:48 PM
The person that said that must not know much about tennis. Same thing with people that don't understand how talented Tomic is :shrug:

How would you describe his play style?

Smoke944
07-26-2012, 12:13 AM
How would you describe his play style?

I haven't seen him play a full match yet, just some clips of him from this year on youtube. And I don't think his play style is easy to categorize. Tracy Austin said he reminded her of Hingis, I think because of how he is great at redirecting the ball. He has also been compared to Tomic because of his touch and intuition for the game.

Btw, a couple of threads about 14 year olds on GM right now :lol: :facepalm:

Deathless Mortal
07-26-2012, 12:20 AM
I haven't seen him play a full match yet, just some clips of him from this year on youtube. And I don't think his play style is easy to categorize. Tracy Austin said he reminded her of Hingis, I think because of how he is great at redirecting the ball. He has also been compared to Tomic because of his touch and intuition for the game.

Btw, a couple of threads about 14 year olds on GM right now :lol: :facepalm:

I've gone through a few youtube videos of him playing, tough to comment on his play style from it, but people often comment on him calling him a pusher so there must be at least some truth in it. :shrug:

What's the other thread?

SapELee
07-26-2012, 01:09 AM
How would you describe his play style?

So what if he is a pusher, it takes a lot of skills to keep the ball in the court. For a small 14 y.o., he doesn't have power to blow his bigger opponents away. He is going to do what he can do to win; his results speak for itself. Anyway, here is a description of his game from an opponent:

"He definitely makes you think," Krueger said. "He's got incredible potential--I don't that I've ever seen a player like this, maybe Donald Young--and I think he has a chance to maybe do what Donald did. If he keeps going, he'll do very well. I don't know how to describe his game. A lot of slices, drop shots, lobs, just a lot of kind of nothing balls that make you create a lot. He doesn't miss much and can pull the trigger all of a sudden. I think I did well just to hang in there as well as I could."

Smoke944
07-26-2012, 01:15 AM
Kind words from Mitchell but comparing young players to Donald always evokes mixed feelings :lol:

SapELee
07-26-2012, 01:24 AM
Kind words from Mitchell but comparing young players to Donald always evokes mixed feelings :lol:

I know how you feel :hug:. Hopefully, they will develop him well and not rush things. One thing for sure though, he has a lot of heart and determination that Donald lacks.

Snowwy
07-26-2012, 01:33 AM
are you kidding? Singh is a challenger level player. The others in the quarters were all worthy.

I expect Adams to beat Kozlov. Adams is 18 and more advanced than Kozlov right now.

I thought so too, but Singh lost to Darian King. Darian King barely beat Robert Rotaru and Hugo Di Feo in Canada, both unranked, Di Feo 16 years old. King bageled Singh. Two other quarterfinalists aren't even ranked. Two more are outside the top 1200.

I love following the US Futures events, but some of them are really weak.

n8
07-26-2012, 01:36 AM
Getting a ranking point at 14 years old is rare, but so is drawing a 15 year old wildcard with no ranking in your very first professional match.

Smoke944
07-26-2012, 01:45 AM
I thought so too, but Singh lost to Darian King. Darian King barely beat Robert Rotaru and Hugo Di Feo in Canada, both unranked, Di Feo 16 years old. King bageled Singh. Two other quarterfinalists aren't even ranked. Two more are outside the top 1200.

I love following the US Futures events, but some of them are really weak.

Yeah I agree. Maybe the weakest US future of the year so far.

I've gone through a few youtube videos of him playing, tough to comment on his play style from it, but people often comment on him calling him a pusher so there must be at least some truth in it. :shrug:

What's the other thread?

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=206911

SapELee
07-26-2012, 01:51 AM
Getting a ranking point at 14 years old is rare, but so is drawing a 15 year old wildcard with no ranking in your very first professional match.

Agreed, it is a shame that they drew each other. Instead of getting experience with older players, they ended up against someone whom they played and practiced with on many occasions. Same situation with Alexander Zverev drawing his brother at the Dallas Challenger :facepalm:.

duong
07-26-2012, 06:18 AM
Yes poor Sasha Zverev who wanted to play a challenger qualies to gain some experience and had to play his brother :facepalm:

A lot of American juniors don't play itfs, but instead focus on USTA events.

These USTA events are not futures, you mean ?

because he's only played a few futures and only has 5 ATP points

sexybeast
07-26-2012, 06:32 AM
Kozlov wont be a tall player, if he grows to be 1.80 it might not be tall enought in modern tennis but he seems more destined to be around 1.75 or something. He is not behind hitting puberty like some videos of him 13-years old has shown but he is late in the growing spur.

His game might look like Tomic or Young, lacks aggressiveness to dominate. I dont know how far the kid can go, certanly there will be open room for anyone trying to break throught in 4-5 years but I dont think he has it in him to dominate the tour, at the very best something like Hewitt is his fullfilled potential.

SapELee
07-26-2012, 09:07 PM
These USTA events are not futures, you mean ?

because he's only played a few futures and only has 5 ATP points

I meant the USTA Junior Circuit (includes some ITFs). A lot of them don't have the money to travel and prefer to stay in the country and play whatever it is available to them. A majority of those who play Junior ITFs usually train with the USTA or attend high profile academies.

SapELee
07-26-2012, 09:09 PM
Kozlov wont be a tall player, if he grows to be 1.80 it might not be tall enought in modern tennis but he seems more destined to be around 1.75 or something. He is not behind hitting puberty like some videos of him 13-years old has shown but he is late in the growing spur.

His game might look like Tomic or Young, lacks aggressiveness to dominate. I dont know how far the kid can go, certanly there will be open room for anyone trying to break throught in 4-5 years but I dont think he has it in him to dominate the tour, at the very best something like Hewitt is his fullfilled potential.

I'll be happy if he can have a decent career.

Smoke944
07-26-2012, 09:27 PM
Kozlov wont be a tall player, if he grows to be 1.80 it might not be tall enought in modern tennis but he seems more destined to be around 1.75 or something. He is not behind hitting puberty like some videos of him 13-years old has shown but he is late in the growing spur.

His game might look like Tomic or Young, lacks aggressiveness to dominate. I dont know how far the kid can go, certanly there will be open room for anyone trying to break throught in 4-5 years but I dont think he has it in him to dominate the tour, at the very best something like Hewitt is his fullfilled potential.


On the first point, you're hilariously misinformed. :lol:
If you look at the pics from this week of him standing next to other players, he's probably already near 1.75. He is shaking hands with Daniel Nguyen at the net, who is listed at 5'10 and is probably about 1.78. And Stefan looks taller than him. And he is only fourteen, so the question is not will he be undersized but how tall will he end up? :shrug:

On the second point, the idea that you need to be a Federer like offensive juggernaut to be a great player is silly. You just have be really damn good overall. On this, it's obviously too early to comment about him. Having said that, I cannot think of a worse comparison than Hewitt. It's clear they are nothing alike as players.

Eddy DoubleD
07-26-2012, 09:30 PM
He won his second match too. It's impressive for a 14 year old kid, despite his opponents.

The Prince
07-26-2012, 09:31 PM
Kozlov will be fine so long as he works hard. He's got everything needed to succeed at playing the smart tennis that he does.

SapELee
07-26-2012, 09:37 PM
He won his second match too. It's impressive for a 14 year old kid, despite his opponents.

:worship::worship:

He keeps surprising me and his 3-set record is impressive.

Gagsquet
07-26-2012, 09:40 PM
Player forum request anyone ? :rolleyes:

Felixavier10
07-26-2012, 10:03 PM
Rafael Nadal
14y ATP - (2000)
15y ATP 811 (2001)
16y ATP 200 (2002)
17y ATP 49 (2003)

TennisOnWood
07-26-2012, 10:52 PM
Rafael Nadal
14y ATP - (2000)
15y ATP 811 (2001)
16y ATP 200 (2002)
17y ATP 49 (2003)

Stefan can't repeat that, no one can these days

duong
07-27-2012, 05:15 AM
He won his second match too. It's impressive for a 14 year old kid, despite his opponents.

7-6(3) 2-6 7-6(1)

nice score :yeah:

next round he finally faces a "full adult" Jason Jung, 23 year-old, ranked 900 in the world.

Stefan can't repeat that, no one can these days

yes even by that time it was unbelievable, only Borg and Becker did that, I think, maybe Chang.