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Hamburg F: Monaco aka Vulture in chief def Haas 7-5 6-4

henke007
07-22-2012, 02:12 PM
http://vulturecrew.com/images/vulture_crew_3.jpg

Simon passes on the torch to Monaco

BroTree123
07-22-2012, 02:12 PM
Great week of fighting and grinding for Monaco. He's a terrible match-up for Haas. Always got that extra ball back which kept on frustrating Tommy.

Haas started well, but as the match wore on, Monaco got into a rhythm and Haas' wheels fell off.

Welcome to the top 10, I say :yeah:

Chirag
07-22-2012, 02:13 PM
:sobbing: Haas lost :sobbing:

Monaco wins his biggest title to date .A event like Hamburg now has Juan as its winner :sobbing:

Ashlar77
07-22-2012, 02:13 PM
Tennis LOSES! Tommy :sad: :hug: Monaco acting so over the top with his celebrations, as if he won a slam, whatever! :rolleyes:

TennisOnWood
07-22-2012, 02:14 PM
Shame

Slade
07-22-2012, 02:14 PM
This was a really sick match, absolutely disgusting. :mad:

I'm done with tennis, never watching another match again.

Ash86
07-22-2012, 02:14 PM
Pico now in the top 10. :eek:

Johnny Groove
07-22-2012, 02:15 PM
How 'bout some respect for Pico?

Fought like a dog all week long, especially vs. Almagro in the SF.

Better to be a vulture than a loser, I say.

Still a good week for Tommy Ass.

Chirag
07-22-2012, 02:15 PM
But congrats to Monaco ,just outside of the top 10 now :confused:

TigerTim
07-22-2012, 02:15 PM
Disgusting win for the Vulture in chief

KoOlMaNsEaN
07-22-2012, 02:16 PM
Haasi just couldn't consolidate all of his breaks with Monaco's consistent depth of shot :( Still a good tournament for Tommy!

leng jai
07-22-2012, 02:16 PM
Vintage Haas there. Plays some insanely good tennis and then gimps out when he has the lead.

:banana:

Ash86
07-22-2012, 02:17 PM
Not yet

I think the Live Tennis site is wrong - even the commentators were saying Pico's in top 10 now. The Live Tennis site says Nadal and Djokovic are tied for YE Race but that's not what the ATP says.

Henry Chinaski
07-22-2012, 02:18 PM
mugaco in the top 10.

no words

Corey Feldman
07-22-2012, 02:19 PM
few weeks after Fed wins Wimbledon and gets to #1, tennis is demolished again

The Fearhand
07-22-2012, 02:19 PM
Congrats Pico. Even though I hoped for a Haas win.
Oh well.

RNW
07-22-2012, 02:19 PM
Good tournament from Monaco and Haas.
Monaco had that injury in Monte Carlo - on a moment he was clearly on fire.
Now he's finally back on track.

A defensive baseliner who wins a ATP 500 on clay is not a bad thing.
He does not won Queens, Halle or Cincinatti, so I don't see the problem.

He played consistent and very well on both wings,
with very few errors and fine passing shots.

He is clearly Top 10 on clay.
For me, he is a Top 20 player on hard court.
So a ranking between 10 and 15 makes sense to me.

Ash86
07-22-2012, 02:21 PM
ATP confirms the top 10:

@ATPWorldTour .@picomonaco's #Hamburg win means he will crack Top 10 on Monday. #atp #tennis

TBkeeper
07-22-2012, 02:22 PM
How can it even be
Mugnaco in top 10 ?!?!?
Mug era

kidbourbon
07-22-2012, 02:22 PM
Why so much Juan Monaco hate on this board?

Ash86
07-22-2012, 02:24 PM
Why so much Juan Monaco hate on this board?

I like Pico but I don't think he's top 10 material - no weapons and crumbles against top players. Top 10s shouldn't be effective byes for the top guys - Monaco, Tipsarevic and Almagro (except on clay) are...

Johnny Groove
07-22-2012, 02:25 PM
Why so much Juan Monaco hate on this board?

MTF doesn't like hard working blue collar tennis players.

MTF prefers headcases like Gulbis, Dimitrov, or Tomic.

RNW
07-22-2012, 02:27 PM
Without his injury in April/Mai,
he would have at least 300-500 points more.

He did not play Monte Carlo (only the 1st round where he injured himself) and Madrid and is still Top 10.

Corey Feldman
07-22-2012, 02:27 PM
we needed Almagro yesterday to save tennis

uxyzapenje
07-22-2012, 02:29 PM
Not to be a hater, even if he's not my favouite player, he worked hard for it so congrats Monaco for the title and welcome to the TOP10

Blue Heart24
07-22-2012, 02:30 PM
Tommy :sad:
As for Monaco in top 10,it's Isner's fault losing to Roddick yesterday :rolleyes:.I don't dislike or like him but there are better players who should be in top 10.

TigerTim
07-22-2012, 02:30 PM
The only player loved by all on MTF's is Tim Henman for his good looks, wining mentality and love of fine champaign. All others are mugs.

Mr.Michael
07-22-2012, 02:30 PM
Haas played a great tournament. Surprised he could still do damage on clay.

But Tommy's hair looks very bad. I never thought he would lose it. And still he keeps that long rock'n'roll hairstyle. But it's already pretty embarrassing. Let it go Tommy.

Ash86
07-22-2012, 02:30 PM
Without his injury in April/Mai,
he would have at least 300-500 points more.

He did not play Monte Carlo (only the 1st round where he injured himself) and Madrid and is still Top 10.

True - he deserves the ranking. Has worked hard. There's just a massive gap between the top 8 (including Del Po rather than Tipsy) and the rest.

Looner
07-22-2012, 02:31 PM
MTF doesn't like hard working blue collar tennis players.

MTF prefers headcases like Gulbis, Dimitrov, or Tomic.

How is Dimitrov a headcase. Please. Monaco should not be in any top 10 in any sport.

alfonsojose
07-22-2012, 02:31 PM
The way he bends for Pocahontas is absolutely disgusting. Simon trashes the WTA but doesn't complain that Monaco earns money for such a embarrasing display of "tennis" everytime he plays Nadal. I'd rather see two women that are at least trying against each other than the soft gay porn movie "Pico" delivers when he catches a glimpse of his master across the net

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
07-22-2012, 02:32 PM
no words

Sapeod
07-22-2012, 02:32 PM
Hahahaha, too bad Haas :haha:

LastRocket
07-22-2012, 02:33 PM
No hard to get in the top 10 these days..... Top 4 players eat almost all the points.

TigerTim
07-22-2012, 02:35 PM
Hahahaha, too bad Haas :haha:

Still bitter that Tommy called out Muzzah for the faker he is. Suk It.

kidbourbon
07-22-2012, 02:36 PM
How is Dimitrov a headcase. Please. Monaco should not be in any top 10 in any sport.

Do you think Dimitrov is a better tennis player than Monaco?

SapELee
07-22-2012, 02:38 PM
Tommy :sad:

Sapeod
07-22-2012, 02:39 PM
Still bitter that Tommy called out Muzzah for the faker he is. Suk It.
Why on Earth should I be bitter about what a has been says about Andy, the 4-time grand slam finalist, something Haas can only dream of being? ;) :spit:

Are you even a Murray fan? Who's the faker here? :lol:

By the way, you spelled suck wrong :wavey:

Lugburz
07-22-2012, 02:40 PM
sick game with so many turnarounds, Tommy just couldn't get his game to the next step.
Well I spouse gratz to Monaco and his fans, but still think he doesn't deserve a place inside top 10...

Looner
07-22-2012, 02:41 PM
Do you think Dimitrov is a better tennis player than Monaco?

Do you know the meaning of the word headcase? And where did I say Dimitrov was a better player? I prefer his game even if his mentality is not always up to par. Same with Haas. Sad day for tennis when Mugnaco wins anything.

Corey Feldman
07-22-2012, 02:41 PM
I completely forgot about that. Thanks for reminding me, more reason to think Haas is a mug :lol::lol:

Lugburz
07-22-2012, 02:41 PM
I completely forgot about that. Thanks for reminding me, more reason to think Haas is a mug :lol:

lies

nole_no1
07-22-2012, 02:45 PM
Very good tournament Haas no reason to be dissapointed here

uxyzapenje
07-22-2012, 02:46 PM
Haters. Haters everywhere.

TigerTim
07-22-2012, 02:47 PM
Why on Earth should I be bitter about what a has been says about Andy, the 3-time grand slam finalist, something Haas can only dream of being? :spit:

Are you even a Murray fan? Who's the faker here? :lol:

By the way, you spelled suck wrong :wavey:

Calling me a faker fan of Murray? Well at least I know he has made 4, yes 4 Grand Slam finals.

2008 USO, 2010 AO , 2011 AO , 2012WIM :haha: read it and weep bitch :haha:

And Haas is not a haas been :wavey: he is a god. How many GS has Muzzah won more than him?

Admit it Sap, you have been owned :lol:. Have a good holiday?

kidbourbon
07-22-2012, 02:47 PM
Do you know the meaning of the word headcase? And where did I say Dimitrov was a better player? I prefer his game even if his mentality is not always up to par. Same with Haas. Sad day for tennis when Mugnaco wins anything.


I never said the word headcase. But perhaps it is somebody whose mentality is not always up to par? In which case you answered your own question.

I personally think Dimitrov is far and away the most overrated player in tennis today. I would have to take some time and think about who the second most overrated is. But Dimitrov is another topic altogether.

What I want to know from you is why you think Juan Monaco winning a tournament is a sad day for tennis? If he was as much of a hack as you appear to believe than why does he continue to win matches? Just what is it about Monaco that makes you think he isn't worthy of a top ten ranking (or even a single tournament win).

BroTree123
07-22-2012, 02:48 PM
It's been a great week for both players. Let's just show some respect here.

fabolous
07-22-2012, 02:49 PM
pico monaco, a great man and a great player :yeah:

kidbourbon
07-22-2012, 02:50 PM
My questions are asked in complete seriousness. I've seen Monaco play several times, and he never struck me as being a bad player. I'm curious as to what Looner's (and others) opinion is based on.

Johnny Groove
07-22-2012, 02:52 PM
My questions are asked in complete seriousness. I've seen Monaco play several times, and he never struck me as being a bad player. I'm curious as to what Looner's (and others) opinion is based on.

First thing you need to realize about MTF is that it is filled to the brim with Nadal haters.

As such, any player that normally loses and rather easily to Nadal, like Monaco or Ferrer or Almagro or whoever, is reviled and despised on this board.

Likewise, anyone that can beat Nadal, like Rosol or Soderling, are treated as gods here.

Pretty much all there is to it.

mickymouse
07-22-2012, 02:53 PM
How 'bout some respect for Pico?

Fought like a dog all week long, especially vs. Almagro in the SF.

Better to be a vulture than a loser, I say.

Still a good week for Tommy Ass.

Respect for the same player who fights like a dog against lesser players but bends like a bitch against the top ones?

Johnny Groove
07-22-2012, 02:56 PM
Respect for the same player who fights like a dog against lesser players but bends like a bitch against the top ones?

I honestly don't think Monaco bends over for anyone, he just isn't up to the standard of the top guys. Whether vs. Federer at the USO or Nadal at RG, he just isn't good enough to beat them.

He did give a good fight to Djokovic in Miami, though.

AnnaK_4ever
07-22-2012, 02:58 PM
ATP has seen so many "worst ever" Top-10 players over the last 2-3 years that Monaco seems to be a fitting addition to this list of impostors. Negative W/L record at Slams -- check. Negative W/L record off clay -- check. Welcome to the Top-10!

Mark Lenders
07-22-2012, 03:00 PM
Ferrer in the top 5 and Monaco in the top 10 :superlol: :facepalm:

But this is the strongest era of all-time, right, the golden age of tennis? :rolleyes:

Looner
07-22-2012, 03:01 PM
I never said the word headcase. But perhaps it is somebody whose mentality is not always up to par? In which case you answered your own question.


But the poster I quoted used it or are you blind?

This kidbourbon guy and the other Typhoon20 look like genuine dupes. I swear the idiocy that comes from them is the same BS some of the idiots who have hidden in their holes used to spout.

I honestly don't think Monaco bends over for anyone, he just isn't up to the standard of the top guys. Whether vs. Federer at the USO or Nadal at RG, he just isn't good enough to beat them.

He did give a good fight to Djokovic in Miami, though.

Hence, he should not to be in the top echelon of tennis because he's just not up to the task of challenging the top guys. He may deserve his place in the rankings through results against lesser opponents but he's never come close to even causing problems for the other top 10.


Ferrer in the top 5 and Monaco in the top 10 :superlol: :facepalm:

But this is the strongest era of all-time, right, the golden age of tennis? :rolleyes:

Y u no respect blue collar workers :(?

Johnny Groove
07-22-2012, 03:04 PM
Hence, he should not to be in the top echelon of tennis because he's just not up to the task of challenging the top guys. He may deserve his place in the rankings through results against lesser opponents but he's never come close to even causing problems for the other top 10.

That's bull.

If not him than who? Raonic? Haas? Other supposedly "talented" mugs who may challenge the top guys but whom Monaco routinely defeats?

Why not just eliminate every player outside the top 8 and just have a travelling 8-man tennis tour?

TigerTim
07-22-2012, 03:04 PM
Yeah, screw you Mark you popus fool, you no respect blue collar workers :lol:

Sapeod
07-22-2012, 03:05 PM
Calling me a faker fan of Murray? Well at least I know he has made 4, yes 4 Grand Slam finals.

2008 USO, 2010 AO , 2011 AO , 2012WIM :haha: read it and weep bitch :haha:

And Haas is not a haas been :wavey: he is a god. How many GS has Muzzah won more than him?

Admit it Sap, you have been owned :lol:. Have a good holiday?
Compared to Murray, Haas is nothing. He doesn't even have 1 slam final. How many titles does he have? How many masters titles does he have?

There's also a difference between a posting mistake and outright insulting him.

I thought so. Take Murray out of your sig, please, and don't pretend to be a fan of him again.

Looner
07-22-2012, 03:06 PM
That's bull.

If not him than who? Raonic? Haas? Other supposedly "talented" mugs who may challenge the top guys but whom Monaco routinely defeats?

Why not just eliminate every player outside the top 8 and just have a travelling 8-man tennis tour?

Well, that's the thing. He beats guys below him but is unable to challenge the top tier. It's just sad. But then again you sure enjoyed that spectacle Monaco put on against RN at RG, right?

BroTree123
07-22-2012, 03:07 PM
Well, that's the thing. He beats guys below him but is unable to challenge the top tier. It's just sad. But then again you sure enjoyed that spectacle Monaco put on against RN at RG, right?

Okay, Monaco can't challenge the top 4 for shit. So what? Doesn't mean that he's undeserving of his place on the tour.

TigerTim
07-22-2012, 03:09 PM
Compared to Murray, Haas is nothing. He doesn't even have 1 slam final. How many titles does he have? How many masters titles does he have?

There's also a difference between a posting mistake and outright insulting him.

I thought so. Take Murray out of your sig, please, and don't pretend to be a fan of him again.

:lol: you have been roasted like a chicken. Cluck Cluck :haha:

I am one of the few sane fans of Murray who sticks with him on these boards, I shall never leave him and prostitute myself to glory support the big 3. :hug:

paseo
07-22-2012, 03:11 PM
:sad:

Mark Lenders
07-22-2012, 03:11 PM
Y u no respect blue collar workers :(?

Because what you call blue collar workers I call disgraceful point vultures :p They simply don't belong in the top echelons of tennis. And I don't even want to hear about their so-called consistency: the only things they're consistent at is vulturing tournaments with no top players and bringing in the lube every time they do face a top player.

Johnny Groove
07-22-2012, 03:12 PM
Well, that's the thing. He beats guys below him but is unable to challenge the top tier. It's just sad. But then again you sure enjoyed that spectacle Monaco put on against RN at RG, right?

I didn't watch that shit.

But then again, it is not like anyone wins many games vs. Nadal at RG.

Who is more deserving of a spot in the top 10? Some talented guy that may push the top guys but loses to any random mug?

tommyg6
07-22-2012, 03:12 PM
I don't like Monaco. He slayed Raonic at French Open. I will be forever spiteful of him for that.

Lugburz
07-22-2012, 03:15 PM
Compared to Murray, Haas is nothing. He doesn't even have 1 slam final. How many titles does he have? How many masters titles does he have?

There's also a difference between a posting mistake and outright insulting him.

I thought so. Take Murray out of your sig, please, and don't pretend to be a fan of him again.

take it easy.... kid :rolleyes:

Looner
07-22-2012, 03:15 PM
Because what you call blue collar workers I call disgraceful point vultures :p They simply don't belong in the top echelons of tennis. And I don't even want to hear about their so-called consistency: the only things they're consistent at is vulturing tournaments with no top players and bringing in the lube every time they do face a top player.

Lol, I was making fun of Johnny Groove's post about blue collar workers and MTF's hate for them :P.

I didn't watch that shit.

But then again, it is not like anyone wins many games vs. Nadal at RG.

Who is more deserving of a spot in the top 10? Some talented guy that may push the top guys but loses to any random mug?

Well, there you go. A supposed top ten player on his 2nd best surface cannot even take a few games from RN. Disgraceful is what it is. Same as Ferrer when clay is concerned.

uxyzapenje
07-22-2012, 03:16 PM
That's bull.

If not him than who? Raonic? Haas? Other supposedly "talented" mugs who may challenge the top guys but whom Monaco routinely defeats?

Why not just eliminate every player outside the top 8 and just have a travelling 8-man tennis tour?

+1

They bitch about this and that player, but tbh, outside of the TOP8 (including Delpo instead of Tipsarevic) players ranked from 9 to 20 or even 25 can pretty much beat eachouther on any given day. Sure, their match-ups variate but no1 stands out that much. And players ranked from 11 to 17 are all ex top10 players, so I don't see why are some of them more deserving than others...

Johnny Groove
07-22-2012, 03:20 PM
Well, there you go. A supposed top ten player on his 2nd best surface cannot even take a few games from RN. Disgraceful is what it is. Same as Ferrer when clay is concerned.

This speaks more to Nadal's dominance on clay than anything. I mean come on, almost nobody wins games vs. Nadal on clay.

I don't like Monaco. He slayed Raonic at French Open. I will be forever spiteful of him for that.

If Raonic cannot even beat Monaco, how was he going to beat Nadal? :scratch:

dencod16
07-22-2012, 03:34 PM
we needed Almagro yesterday to save tennis

Yeah, cause he is better than Monaco, Monaco is far more aggressive than Almagro.

dencod16
07-22-2012, 03:35 PM
The way he bends for Pocahontas is absolutely disgusting. Simon trashes the WTA but doesn't complain that Monaco earns money for such a embarrasing display of "tennis" everytime he plays Nadal. I'd rather see two women that are at least trying against each other than the soft gay porn movie "Pico" delivers when he catches a glimpse of his master across the net

So Nadal is the only player on tour. It doesn't count that he gives Murray and Djokovic hard times.

dencod16
07-22-2012, 03:40 PM
So what if he can't harm the top 4, wait he does harm Djokovic and Murray. Does he need to get off the fact that mentally his off against Nadal, yes, i actually think that loss from Nadal is a good thing for him cause it as clear he was not buying the sorry crap from Nadal, and doesn't wanna hear any of it, it will make him step up. And wait his ranked below them he is suppose to lose to them, everyone in ATP vultures, they are just failed vultures. People here rather like players that have nothing but serve ala Anderson, Raonic (most overrated), and Isner.

Hypnotize
07-22-2012, 03:42 PM
How 'bout some respect for Pico?

Fought like a dog all week long, especially vs. Almagro in the SF.

Better to be a vulture than a loser, I say.

Still a good week for Tommy Ass.
From the guy who brings us "Mug Of The Month". You have to love the hypocrisy of that post. :facepalm:

Looner
07-22-2012, 03:46 PM
Just to make this clear. I am not saying Monaco does not deserve his place in the rankings. He's earned it fair and square as a pro. It's just that players in his position should be a bit more of a threat to the top guys than he is. Maybe I'm unfair but that's what I think.

I am not sure if this sounds logical though :shrug:. Sometimes even I am not rational.

PS Thanks for clearing the thread, mods.

Dougie
07-22-2012, 03:54 PM
Good effort from Monaco, was the better player today. Haas showed some great touch, made a few great volleys, but started spraying errors in the second set.

I have to say I don´t get this whole vulturing thing. How is winning a 500 tournament vulturing? Monaco is a hard working player, who is having a great year, he deserves some credit.

emotion
07-22-2012, 03:57 PM
sad. I thought haas could win this
good for monaco

acionescu
07-22-2012, 03:58 PM
A clay specialist winning a clay tournament? :speakles:

how did this happen? Outrageous! :(

As if Haas record against Nadal was any better :lol:

Slade
07-22-2012, 03:58 PM
ATP has seen so many "worst ever" Top-10 players over the last 2-3 years that Monaco seems to be a fitting addition to this list of impostors. Negative W/L record at Slams -- check. Negative W/L record off clay -- check. Welcome to the Top-10!

Wow I didn't know Mugnaco was that bad. :o

Snowwy
07-22-2012, 04:06 PM
ATP has seen so many "worst ever" Top-10 players over the last 2-3 years that Monaco seems to be a fitting addition to this list of impostors. Negative W/L record at Slams -- check. Negative W/L record off clay -- check. Welcome to the Top-10!

Sorry to break it to you, but this isn't rare. I was told yesterday that 1995 was the strong era. Yet in 1995, Marc Rosset was ranked 9th in the world.

Marc Rosset has a negative W/L record at slams.
Marc Rosset does not have a positive W/L ratio off hardcourts

This is your number 9 from a strong era (chosen by MTF posters)

Just thought I would share how ridiculous your post was. :wavey:

TigerTim
07-22-2012, 04:08 PM
Mid to late 80s was the strong era. 90s was pretty dog as Snowwy suggests. Plus it had horrible fashion trends and the Spice Girls.

Looner
07-22-2012, 04:10 PM
Sorry to break it to you, but this isn't rare. I was told yesterday that 1995 was the strong era. Yet in 1995, Marc Rosset was ranked 9th in the world.

Marc Rosset has a negative W/L record at slams.
Marc Rosset does not have a positive W/L ratio off hardcourts

This is your number 9 from a strong era (chosen by MTF posters)

Just thought I would share how ridiculous your post was. :wavey:

While this is correct, the modern era of tennis is different. The top guns are consistent across all surfaces, for one reason or another. I don't mean to argue that Monaco is one of the worst top 10s ever as I hardly know them all but it is far more damaging to be inconsistent nowadays than it was before.

DJ Soup
07-22-2012, 04:18 PM
Congrats Pico Monaco. Must be so excited

dencod16
07-22-2012, 04:19 PM
Just to make this clear. I am not saying Monaco does not deserve his place in the rankings. He's earned it fair and square as a pro. It's just that players in his position should be a bit more of a threat to the top guys than he is. Maybe I'm unfair but that's what I think.

I am not sure if this sounds logical though :shrug:. Sometimes even I am not rational.

PS Thanks for clearing the thread, mods.

I think that only issue with him is not with the top players he will push Djokovic and Murray if he is not a threat. The only issue is his mentality towards Nadal, maybe being in the top 10 will help cause when he was asked about beating Almagro his comment was it was huge because he is a top 10 player, which is okay if you are ranked so low but in his ranking he should have that in mind. I just dont like it when they say he has no game and no right to be in the top 30.

AnnaK_4ever
07-22-2012, 04:22 PM
Sorry to break it to you, but this isn't rare. I was told yesterday that 1995 was the strong era. Yet in 1995, Marc Rosset was ranked 9th in the world.

Marc Rosset has a negative W/L record at slams.
Marc Rosset does not have a positive W/L ratio off hardcourts

This is your number 9 from a strong era (chosen by MTF posters)

Just thought I would share how ridiculous your post was. :wavey:

You bring in ONE example from 17 (seventeen) years ago in order to prove my post (which has nothing to do with weak/strong era debate, to begin with) is "ridiculous"? As if Rosset's poor numbers somehow make Monaco look better.

dencod16
07-22-2012, 04:22 PM
While this is correct, the modern era of tennis is different. The top guns are consistent across all surfaces, for one reason or another. I don't mean to argue that Monaco is one of the worst top 10s ever as I hardly know them all but it is far more damaging to be inconsistent nowadays than it was before.

Today they are grouped 1-4, 5-7 and maybe 8-14. For me it's no big deal if you enter the top 10 at 9 or 10 its because those spots switch quickly cause they are relatively having the same season. Its like every week someone is switching at the 10 spot before it was 8-12 that was switching week per week. But there main job is to beat players below them.

tennishero
07-22-2012, 04:44 PM
lol so many haters... give some credit to monaco ffs

has had many injuries and bad luck in his career... and also lost in a number of finals before. now he stops being a mental midget and people are jumping on his back. :facepalm:

seriously the only reason to hate on monaco is his mental game... his technique and baseline game are top 10 no doubt.

Roamed
07-22-2012, 04:46 PM
Is it just me or is Isner new into the Top 10 next week, not Monaco? Monaco goes to #11? http://live-tennis.eu/

Sapeod
07-22-2012, 05:05 PM
:lol: you have been roasted like a chicken. Cluck Cluck :haha:

I am one of the few sane fans of Murray who sticks with him on these boards, I shall never leave him and prostitute myself to glory support the big 3. :hug:
Last time I checked, I'm one of the only Murray fans who sticks with him no matter what happens. You seem to like insulting him from time to time. As I said, it's time to stop being a "fan".

dencod16
07-22-2012, 05:48 PM
Is it just me or is Isner new into the Top 10 next week, not Monaco? Monaco goes to #11? http://live-tennis.eu/

no its wrong, he has 2620 at the moment and his 18th tournament is 150 which means he will only gain if he gets more than 150. I think they made a mistake because he has a 0 pointers for Monte Carlo and Shanghai, maybe they replaced that with the 90 he got this week.

TigerTim
07-22-2012, 05:53 PM
Last time I checked, I'm one of the only Murray fans who sticks with him no matter what happens. You seem to like insulting him from time to time. As I said, it's time to stop being a "fan".

Yes I have a laugh at his expense once in a while - he hardly helps himself :lol: at least I see the funny side and am not a blind tard. On must relax and take every match as it comes not crow loudly and then make a fool of yourself when he inevitably loses in the semi or finals.

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
07-22-2012, 05:54 PM
Sorry to break it to you, but this isn't rare. I was told yesterday that 1995 was the strong era. Yet in 1995, Marc Rosset was ranked 9th in the world.

Marc Rosset has a negative W/L record at slams.
Marc Rosset does not have a positive W/L ratio off hardcourts

This is your number 9 from a strong era (chosen by MTF posters)

Just thought I would share how ridiculous your post was. :wavey:

rosset made a slam SF
beat sampras and becker in a masters event on carpet
beat agassi at indian wells
beat edberg at roland garros
beat muster at rome (on clay)
beat sergi bruguera on clay
beat courier on clay the same year courier won RG
(also beat courier on carpet and hardcourts)

Corey Feldman
07-22-2012, 06:14 PM
rosset made a slam SF
beat sampras and becker in a masters event on carpet
beat agassi at indian wells
beat edberg at roland garros
beat muster at rome (on clay)
beat sergi bruguera on clay
beat courier on clay the same year courier won RG
(also beat courier on carpet and hardcourts)
a post about Rosset's achievments and you forget he won Olympic gold title :o

dencod16
07-22-2012, 06:15 PM
LOL @Sapeod, im a Monaco fan, but even i was making fun of him when he played Nadal at French Open.

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
07-22-2012, 06:21 PM
a post about Rosset's achievments and you forget he won Olympic gold title :o

:devil:

not exactly a slam in those days

Beat
07-22-2012, 06:50 PM
Better to be a vulture than a loser, I say.

+1

oh, and i'm sure nobody would call haas a vulture if he had won, even though it would have been the same title. :silly:

Looner
07-22-2012, 07:03 PM
+1

oh, and i'm sure nobody would call haas a vulture if he had won, even though it would have been the same title. :silly:

Now I understand people hate when someone calls their fave a vulture but you fail to grasp what vulture means. Haas is (was) ranked in the 50s, so him winning this event would have been good for him. Monaco winning a depleted 500 field does not make a strong case for top10er. How is that hard to understand :stupid:.

STUHL
07-22-2012, 07:23 PM
To bad :sad:

dencod16
07-22-2012, 07:38 PM
I don't think 80% of people who thrashes here watched the match. Monaco was aggressive when he was given the opportunity, Haas wasn't playing so differently than Monaco and was counter-punching himself.

JurajCrane
07-22-2012, 07:46 PM
No hard to get in the top 10 these days..... Top 4 players eat almost all the points.

Best post in this thread.

Elbarto
07-22-2012, 08:29 PM
Do you think Monaco is really in top 10 ?

according this site he will be 11 next monday :

http://live-tennis.eu/

I think the atp site has made a mistake when they say Monaco is in the top 10

Mr.Michael
07-22-2012, 08:58 PM
:devil:

not exactly a slam in those days

Actually the '92 Olympics had a very good entry list. Nothing like the '88 or '96 tournaments. Those two were pretty poor. But Barcelona was a huge event. Only Agassi and Lendl were missing.

abraxas21
07-22-2012, 08:59 PM
disgusting result not just for tennis but for humankind in general

acionescu
07-22-2012, 09:02 PM
Do you think Monaco is really in top 10 ?

according this site he will be 11 next monday :

http://live-tennis.eu/race

I think the atp site has made a mistake when they say Monaco is in the top 10

That's the 2012 race for WTF

abraxas21
07-22-2012, 09:06 PM
rosset made a slam SF
beat sampras and becker in a masters event on carpet
beat agassi at indian wells
beat edberg at roland garros
beat muster at rome (on clay)
beat sergi bruguera on clay
beat courier on clay the same year courier won RG
(also beat courier on carpet and hardcourts)

a post about Rosset's achievments and you forget he won Olympic gold title :o

also beat fedmug twice on hardcourts. rosset is the real swiss GOAT

superslam77
07-22-2012, 09:09 PM
bad result for tennis when "his lover" wins a match let alone tournament.

henke007
07-22-2012, 09:13 PM
Vulture was going out to Stebe who served for the match and choked it, enough said.

Elbarto
07-22-2012, 09:15 PM
That's the 2012 race for WTF

click on " Live ATP Ranking" link in the same page, Monaco is still 11 :

http://live-tennis.eu/

dencod16
07-22-2012, 09:25 PM
Do you think Monaco is really in top 10 ?

according this site he will be 11 next monday :

http://live-tennis.eu/

I think the atp site has made a mistake when they say Monaco is in the top 10

No they didn't. That site is independent and has made mistakes before. Isner has 2620 before this week and his 18th tour is a 150 so for him to gain is only by winning the title, i think they made a mistake because Isner has 2 0-pointers, maybe they replaced it with his 90 this week, which shouldn't be the case.

MTwEeZi
07-22-2012, 09:53 PM
Good for the game. Hopefully he reaches top 8 by the US Open.

EliSter
07-22-2012, 09:58 PM
Good for the game. Hopefully he reaches top 8 by the US Open.

This.

Looner
07-22-2012, 10:06 PM
If Monaco somehow manages top 8 for the WTF, I cannot wait to see him against Fed indoors. Even better would be if Fed got to face him and RN b2b and embarrass them both :inlove:.

ossie
07-22-2012, 10:14 PM
better player won.

Mark Lenders
07-22-2012, 10:15 PM
I'm probably going to O2 this year, so Monaco better not make it to the top 8 :o Having to deal with Ferrer there is bad enough already.

Looner
07-22-2012, 10:18 PM
I'm probably going to O2 this year, so Monaco better not make it to the top 8 :o Having to deal with Ferrer there is bad enough already.

Man, I'm possibly planning a visit as well. I'd love to see you at a Ferrer match. Will need to bring a lot of popcorn :p. Imagine what a GOAT match a Ferrer versus Monaco will be - I'd probably ask for a refund.

Mark Lenders
07-22-2012, 10:23 PM
Man, I'm possibly planning a visit as well. I'd love to see you at a Ferrer match. Will need to bring a lot of popcorn :p. Imagine what a GOAT match a Ferrer versus Monaco will be - I'd probably ask for a refund.

Cool man. We should PM closer to the event - in my case, going is contingent upon quite a few factors, and I'm assuming in yours too. If we both go, though, we should definitely meet up there and have a drink or something :)

Ferrer vs Monaco on indoor hard? Seems like something right out one of my worst nightmares. I'd try to sell the tickets, but then again who'd be stupid enough to buy them?

FiBeR
07-22-2012, 11:53 PM
I just want to say :worship: to Pico!

He so deserves this! with the 2008 Viña del Mar final injury back in 2008, when he was clearly on his way to the top ten with loads of points to add... then this year again after Houston, having an instant replay of 2008 injury. But this time he knew how to handle it, he came back 2 weeks before the doctors said he should to make it to Rome's R16, and Roland Garros' R16, and now winning his biggest title in his career.

To think that prior to this year, he was running a 7 match losing streak in finals, and this season he is already 3-1. Also, he became the 11th Argentine to break in the Top Ten in the Open Era:

Guillermo Vilas (2), David Nalbandian (3), Guillermo Coria (3), Juan Martin Del Potro (4), José Luis Clerc (4), Gastón Gaudio (5), Guillermo Cañas (8), Alberto Mancini (8), Mariano Puerta (9), Martín Jaite (10) & Juan Mónaco (10).

(still active)

:hatoff: thank you Pico for catching up with karma

abraxas21
07-23-2012, 12:43 AM
Good for the game. Hopefully he reaches top 8 by the US Open.

This.

better player won.

lame trolling

you guys think that just because you go against the general sentiment of this mug website you're being clever or annoying. pretty lame

Honestly
07-23-2012, 01:15 AM
Good for the game. Hopefully he reaches top 8 by the US Open.

NID that you would support a vulture like Vultureco Insectus, being a supporter of the biggest vulture of all time and all. Who would have thought a guy could win 11 slams being a vulture? Every slam he won off of clay was vulturing of the highest order. Wimby 2008 being his most impressive vulturing as he stole Wimby from a sick Federer. Then goes on to vuture the AO the next year from a mentally injured Federer. He also vultures Wimby '10 when Turddych plays the match of his life against Fed and then bends over to Vulture in the final. Finally he vultures the USO when Djoker 1.0 takes care of Fed after being 2 match points down. Also he ups his serve by 20mph out of nowhere, only to lose that speed gain after tha USO again :rolleyes:

We get it, you like vultures.

jcempire
07-23-2012, 01:22 AM
congrat Monaco to Top ten

Keep going man

Haas still play Top tennis at age 34

Unblievable

Back to Top 30 Haas

MTwEeZi
07-23-2012, 01:45 AM
lame trolling

you guys think that just because you go against the general sentiment of this mug website you're being clever or annoying. pretty lame

NID that you would support a vulture like Vultureco Insectus, being a supporter of the biggest vulture of all time and all. Who would have thought a guy could win 11 slams being a vulture? Every slam he won off of clay was vulturing of the highest order. Wimby 2008 being his most impressive vulturing as he stole Wimby from a sick Federer. Then goes on to vuture the AO the next year from a mentally injured Federer. He also vultures Wimby '10 when Turddych plays the match of his life against Fed and then bends over to Vulture in the final. Finally he vultures the USO when Djoker 1.0 takes care of Fed after being 2 match points down. Also he ups his serve by 20mph out of nowhere, only to lose that speed gain after tha USO again :rolleyes:

We get it, you like vultures.

You are reading way too much from that :cuckoo:

BroTree123
07-23-2012, 01:45 AM
http://www.atpworldtour.com/~/media/8A5ECF5E87E345E19B17779030E81E67.ashx

Haters gunna hate :sport:

alfonsojose
07-23-2012, 02:40 AM
No they didn't. That site is independent and has made mistakes before. Isner has 2620 before this week and his 18th tour is a 150 so for him to gain is only by winning the title, i think they made a mistake because Isner has 2 0-pointers, maybe they replaced it with his 90 this week, which shouldn't be the case.

:D Thanks for the explanation. So Monaco is top ten :tape: :help:

DJ Soup
07-23-2012, 02:40 AM
:hatoff: thank you Pico for catching up with karma

the best post in this thread

Yolita
07-23-2012, 03:35 AM
Pico has been playing amazing tennis for quite a while now. I was sad when he got injured in Monte Carlo, when he was on fire. But he didn't lose his momentum.

He deserves to be a top 10 player. If you watched the 2 semis and compare the quality of tennis displayed in the Monaco-Almagro match with the choking competition between Cilic and Haas you'll see why the final result was never in doubt. The better player won today.

It was a great macth, Haas played much better than against Cilic, but Monaco was too strong.

I don't get the Monaco hate, honestly. A nicer, harder-working guy will be tough to find.


CONGRATULATIONS PICO! :worship:

henke007
07-23-2012, 09:47 AM
Vulture is top 10 with only 70 points and will be gone soon enough as Isner gets enough points out of the US HC season..

finishingmove
07-23-2012, 12:06 PM
How 'bout some respect for Pico?

Fought like a dog all week long, especially vs. Almagro in the SF.

Better to be a vulture than a loser, I say.

Still a good week for Tommy Ass.

what the fuck is a vulture?

only on MTF...

Gagsquet
07-23-2012, 12:08 PM
a vulture is a top 15 player who wins 250 and even 500. Gross.

buddyholly
07-23-2012, 12:59 PM
Why so much Juan Monaco hate on this board?

It is very simple. Nobody here masturbates on a picture of Monaco.

Lugburz
07-23-2012, 06:26 PM
I don't think 80% of people who thrashes here watched the match. Monaco was aggressive when he was given the opportunity, Haas wasn't playing so differently than Monaco and was counter-punching himself.

I have to say Monaco did surprise me, he had some aggressive points indeed.
Having said that, I still think he doesn't deserve current ranking, and that Tommy basically did 80% job for him in the finals.

But he is clay courter after all, so its really not that unexpected loss, and its not like he didn't beat Tommy before :p

Matt01
07-23-2012, 07:03 PM
Pico :worship:

Wins biggest tournament in his career :worship:

Reaches the Top Ten for the first time :worship:

Usually I am not writing things like these but it has to be said: Tennis wins. :D


disgusting result not just for tennis but for humankind in general


You mean disgusting result for you only? Probably :stupid:

Lugburz
07-23-2012, 07:28 PM
Pico :worship:

Wins biggest tournament in his career :worship:

Reaches the Top Ten for the first time :worship:

Usually I am not writing things like these but it has to be said: Tennis wins. :D





You mean disgusting result for you only? Probably :stupid:

wait, you actually said you like Haas and Wawrinka? So, in a final between Haas and Monaco, where ultimately, Monaco wins, you say: tennis won? :rolleyes:
And you attacked me for saying almost the same thing, where Haas won over Simon.

Either you trolled me you like Haas, or you like him and never watched a single match...

Matt01
07-23-2012, 07:40 PM
wait, you actually said you like Haas and Wawrinka? So, in a final between Haas and Monaco, where ultimately, Monaco wins, you say: tennis won? :rolleyes:
And you attacked me for saying almost the same thing, where Haas won over Simon.

Either you trolled me you like Haas, or you like him and never watched a single match...


I said "tennis wins" in the sense that a great, nice, hard-working player won a tournamemant and reached the Top 10. It had nothing to do with Haas who has a great game as well. :rolleyes: If I remember correctly you said that Simon plays anti-tennis; you are seeing the difference, eh? :silly:

Lugburz
07-23-2012, 07:47 PM
I said "tennis wins" in the sense that a great, nice, hard-working player won a tournamemant and reached the Top 10. It had nothing to do with Haas who has a great game as well. :rolleyes: If I remember correctly you said that Simon plays anti-tennis; you are seeing the difference, eh? :silly:

Not gonna repeat my words again, for sure. You have my long post back there in Simon match so you can see there what I meant.

Orange Wombat
07-23-2012, 08:03 PM
http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=media%2Fapphoto%2F1bfa16e7-7382-492f-aeb3-f65217a6deba.jpg&w=512&h=377

Haters Gonna Hate.

Matt01
07-23-2012, 08:05 PM
Not gonna repeat my words again, for sure. You have my long post back there in Simon match so you can see there what I meant.


You said that Simon plays anti-tennis (because you don't like it or whatever) which is disrespectful. Are you denying that? :shrug: (granted 99% of the posters here are disrespectful towards the players)

I am not disrespectful because I only have good things to say about Haas.

Lugburz
07-23-2012, 08:18 PM
You said that Simon plays anti-tennis (because you don't like it or whatever) which is disrespectful. Are you denying that? :shrug: (granted 99% of the posters here are disrespectful towards the players)

I am not disrespectful because I only have good things to say about Haas.

Also I said I'm not gonna mention antitennis term again, becuase you misunderstood my meaning, and obviously still are. I really don't wanna talk about it anymore, if thats ok with you.

Enjoy magnificent tennis story of Monaco..

Matt01
07-23-2012, 08:22 PM
Enjoy magnificent tennis story of Monaco..


I will. Thanks :D

Mark Lenders
07-23-2012, 09:27 PM
The only good thing about Monaco cracking the top 10 is that he's from the same town as JMDP.

Who'd have thought Tandil of all cities would have two men in the ATP's top 10 at the same time? Definitely the dominant tennis city at the moment :p

Nole Rules
07-23-2012, 09:57 PM
The only good thing about Monaco cracking the top 10 is that he's from the same town as JMDP.

Who'd have thought Tandil of all cities would have two men in the ATP's top 10 at the same time? Definitely the dominant tennis city at the moment :p

:spit:

Mark Lenders
07-23-2012, 10:20 PM
:spit:

It's true :p

At least Tandil became one of the few cities ever to have two top 10 men at the same time. Even if one of those men is Mugaco, it's still kinda historic, no ;)?

Nole Rules
07-23-2012, 10:31 PM
It's true :p

At least Tandil became one of the few cities ever to have two top 10 men at the same time. Even if one of those men is Mugaco, it's still kinda historic, no ;)?

:lol:

You've got good sense of humour. ;)

incube
07-23-2012, 10:48 PM
I think Monaco is now the second better on clay(about the especialists in this court), so far from Nadal and more or less like Ferrer.
And also, that this is the top of he can do in his career.

Mark Lenders
07-23-2012, 11:05 PM
:lol:

You've got good sense of humour. ;)

Thanks :D However, my sense of humour is not nearly as good as this poster's:

I think Monaco is now the second better on clay(about the especialists in this court), so far from Nadal and more or less like Ferrer.
And also, that this is the top of he can do in his career.

:spit:

incube
07-23-2012, 11:08 PM
Thanks :D However, my sense of humour is not nearly as good as this poster's:



:spit:


who players are better than monaco on clay at this moment?

Nole Rules
07-23-2012, 11:10 PM
^^^ :haha:

incube
07-23-2012, 11:16 PM
anyone with at most one hand and capability of holding racket

and who win three titles on clay this year and four finals, and only losing in RG with the King Nadal. Any other player this year like this, apart of Ferrer? :wavey:

Matt01
07-23-2012, 11:21 PM
who players are better than monaco on clay at this moment?


Nadal, Djokovic and Ferrer for sure...Federer I think, too.
Monaco is probably around 5th or 6th best player on clay which isn't too shabby :)

Mark Lenders
07-23-2012, 11:30 PM
Nadal, Djokovic and Ferrer for sure...Federer I think, too.
Monaco is probably around 5th or 6th best player on clay which isn't too shabby :)

Come on man, you can't be serious?

You THINK Federer is better than Monaco on clay :lol:?

And Monaco isn't even in the top 10 claycourters. He's not a threat to any top player on clay or any other surface.

samanosuke
07-23-2012, 11:31 PM
Come on man, you can't be serious?

You THINK Federer is better than Monaco on clay :lol:?

And Monaco isn't even in the top 10 claycourters. He's not a threat to any top player on clay or any other surface.

THINK is key and at the same time the saddest word in his post

Matt01
07-23-2012, 11:38 PM
Come on man, you can't be serious?

You THINK Federer is better than Monaco on clay :lol:?

And Monaco isn't even in the top 10 claycourters. He's not a threat to any top player on clay or any other surface.


How many titles did win Federer on clay this year? I *think* it is closer than lots of Monaco haters here are thinking.

And the bolded part is something YOU can't be serious about. Monaco is Top 10 in the rankings (meaning on all surfaces) and clay is his best surface so of course he's easily Top 10 on clay, too.

And your very last statement is of course complete crap/rubbish/BS and you know it. :wavey:

samanosuke
07-23-2012, 11:41 PM
How many titles did win Federer on clay this year? I *think* it is closer than lots of Monaco haters here are thinking.



:worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:

if the picture is thousands words. your post is at least double as that

incube
07-24-2012, 11:47 AM
Nadal, Djokovic and Ferrer for sure...Federer I think, too.
Monaco is probably around 5th or 6th best player on clay which isn't too shabby :)

Im not talking about the top three, obvius they always be the best in all the surfaces.
Im talking about the specialists, and you got that Monaco have this year about 25 matches win on clay and only 5 matches loose (1 against nadal, 1 against Djoko, 1 for injured) and 3 titles and 4 finals.

incube
07-25-2012, 12:16 AM
I've just seen this highlighs of the match:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp7ZYI56OnU

what a match from haas!:worship:
Tommy playing so good and strong from the base line and with no unforced errors?:eek:
against a so strong Monaco (his best match of the week)

Ive seen the matches of Haas against cilic. KMayer and Simon...but this is his best on the week so far, at least for the 10 minutes highlighs.

No more clay tournments for haas this year?:(:D

leng jai
07-25-2012, 12:42 AM
Hilarious highlights considering Haas was the loser. 80% of it was Haas hitting winners but the thing it doesn't show is the copious amounts of unforced errors between them :facepalm:

incube
07-25-2012, 01:26 AM
Hilarious highlights considering Haas was the loser. 80% of it was Haas hitting winners but the thing it doesn't show is the copious amounts of unforced errors between them :facepalm:

then wasnt be a very good match?
In Haas Vs Simon or Haas Vs Mayer didnt play at this level that we can see in this highlighs. Even if there is highlighs of these matches you cand find this kind of large points between the players.

Lugburz
07-25-2012, 01:29 AM
I've just seen this highlighs of the match:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp7ZYI56OnU

what a match from haas!:worship:
Tommy playing so good and strong from the base line and with no unforced errors?:eek:
against a so strong Monaco (his best match of the week)

Ive seen the matches of Haas against cilic. KMayer and Simon...but this is his best on the week so far, at least for the 10 minutes highlighs.

No more clay tournments for haas this year?:(:D

you can't judge whole match only by highlights.
As someone who watched all matches, I can tell you right away it wasn't his best match that week.

dencod16
07-25-2012, 09:21 AM
The final http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de4W0-kdbCc full match dont know how long it will be there.

Johnbert
07-25-2012, 09:33 AM
How many titles did win Federer on clay this year? I *think* it is closer than lots of Monaco haters here are thinking.


suddenly it's about titles. in the other thread you said 2 gs-finals is a better archievement than a masters- and wtf-victory.

and now 1x atp500 + 2x atp250 wins and r4 at rg is better than 1 masters1000 win and a semifinal at rg :scratch:

btw: how many titels did win djokovic on clay this year?

uxyzapenje
07-25-2012, 10:32 AM
It's true :p

At least Tandil became one of the few cities ever to have two top 10 men at the same time. Even if one of those men is Mugaco, it's still kinda historic, no ;)?

It would be, but Belrgade allrdy has it :p

And Monaco is TOP10 claycourters ATM (based on form), but not 'easy'. For sure Nadal, Novak, Fed, Murray, Delpo, Berdych, Almagro are for sure ahead of him. And you could make cases for some other players (like Simon or Isner). On their best you also have guys like Wawrinka or Bellucci who are also better than Monaco, Soderling ofc when not sick... And for those who will say that he just beat Almagro, that doesn't mean jack, he also lost to Tipsarevic who lost to Almagro in RG and is not (as much as I would like him to be) a TOP10 claycourter in the world.

By the way, for the guy who says 'I THINK Fed is better than Monaco on clay' :facepalm: :stupid:

Looner
07-25-2012, 10:52 AM
How many titles did win Federer on clay this year? I *think* it is closer than lots of Monaco haters here are thinking.



Hilariously clueless post. Yet again.

Matt01
07-25-2012, 10:55 AM
suddenly it's about titles. in the other thread you said 2 gs-finals is a better archievement than a masters- and wtf-victory.

and now 1x atp500 + 2x atp250 wins and r4 at rg is better than 1 masters1000 win and a semifinal at rg :scratch:


I forgot that Federer won Madrid. Well, that isn't red clay anyway which I probably meant. And I never ever said that Monaco's achievements this year on clay are better than Fed's so stop putting words in my mouth.


btw: how many titels did win djokovic on clay this year?


Djokovic reached a Slam final on clay so my argumention (see the other thread you were talking about) is consistant.

dencod16
07-25-2012, 11:00 AM
The thing about the match is when Monaco hits the ball deep, Haas struggle with it.

dencod16
07-25-2012, 11:05 AM
It would be, but Belrgade allrdy has it :p

And Monaco is TOP10 claycourters ATM (based on form), but not 'easy'. For sure Nadal, Novak, Fed, Murray, Delpo, Berdych, Almagro are for sure ahead of him. And you could make cases for some other players (like Simon or Isner). On their best you also have guys like Wawrinka or Bellucci who are also better than Monaco, Soderling ofc when not sick... And for those who will say that he just beat Almagro, that doesn't mean jack, he also lost to Tipsarevic who lost to Almagro in RG and is not (as much as I would like him to be) a TOP10 claycourter in the world.

By the way, for the guy who says 'I THINK Fed is better than Monaco on clay' :facepalm: :stupid:

LOL at the Murray top 10 on clay, thats the most hilarious thing i ever heard. If ran it down i would say Its Nadal, Novak, Roger, Ferrer, Berdych, del Potro, Almagro, Monaco. I would say his 8th or even 7th on clay at the moment.

thrust
07-25-2012, 01:05 PM
How 'bout some respect for Pico?

Fought like a dog all week long, especially vs. Almagro in the SF.

Better to be a vulture than a loser, I say.

Still a good week for Tommy Ass.

I AGREE! What is this vulture crap all about? Is a tournament illegitimate just because the top 10 choose not to play? Players like Pico deserve a good payday every now and then. They work just as hard as the top guys, but just don't have the talent they have.

uxyzapenje
07-25-2012, 02:40 PM
LOL at the Murray top 10 on clay, thats the most hilarious thing i ever heard. If ran it down i would say Its Nadal, Novak, Roger, Ferrer, Berdych, del Potro, Almagro, Monaco. I would say his 8th or even 7th on clay at the moment.

You can run and lol all you want, he has SF and QF in last 2 RGs and he would be the favourite against anybody except Novak, Rafa, Fed, Ferrer, Berdych and Delpo on clay. You say you would pick Monaco against Murray? Go watch last years Rome SF vs Novak.

dencod16
07-25-2012, 04:29 PM
You can run and lol all you want, he has SF and QF in last 2 RGs and he would be the favourite against anybody except Novak, Rafa, Fed, Ferrer, Berdych and Delpo on clay. You say you would pick Monaco against Murray? Go watch last years Rome SF vs Novak.

Yes i would. If ATP was not full of chokers Murray would not even get passed Nieminen this year. AND BTW i am no talking about previous years, i am talking about this year. If you wanna go rant about previous years. Then there the likes of Ferrero that has more achievements than Murray on clay. Everyone know maybe besides you that Murray is disposable in clay.

Mark Lenders
07-25-2012, 04:38 PM
Murray is a clay mug of sorts, but he's still infinitely better and more talented on the surface than Mugaco.

dencod16
07-25-2012, 05:10 PM
Murray is a clay mug of sorts, but he's still infinitely better and more talented on the surface than Mugaco.

That is why he is 2-2 against Murray.

uxyzapenje
07-25-2012, 05:11 PM
He is a clay mug just bcs he is better off of it. But if he would have Monaco-like game and results and kept his cly results, he would be called clay specialist. And I know that he is not as good as the other players at the very top of the game on clay, but he is in the TOP10 clay courters today, and surely better than Monaco on any surface.

As for Ferrero, you are mixing frogs with grandmothers (Serbian saying :p ), Ferrero is declining and well past his peak, and Andy is in his prime and hasn't declined since last year. Overall, at their prime, sure I would rank Ferrero over him as a better claycourter

dencod16
07-25-2012, 05:16 PM
He is a clay mug just bcs he is better off of it. But if he would have Monaco-like game and results and kept his cly results, he would be called clay specialist. And I know that he is not as good as the other players at the very top of the game on clay, but he is in the TOP10 clay courters today, and surely better than Monaco on any surface.

As for Ferrero, you are mixing frogs with grandmothers (Serbian saying :p ), Ferrero is declining and well past his peak, and Andy is in his prime and hasn't declined since last year. Overall, at their prime, sure I would rank Ferrero over him as a better claycourter

If you ask me last year if Murray was top 10 on clay, i would say yes. But this year his not, he got lucky will players choking and giving the match to him.

Matt01
07-25-2012, 06:40 PM
That is why he is 2-2 against Murray.


:yeah:

Mark Lenders is always hating on poor Pico which is a a pity :sad:

sera$un
07-26-2012, 04:26 PM
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fsoica
07-26-2012, 05:17 PM
why haas is not at the olympics?

Matt01
07-26-2012, 06:20 PM
http://s1.directupload.net/images/120726/5xn4qiq3.png


:bigcry:

The Prince
07-26-2012, 06:23 PM
Murray is better on clay than Monaco, slightly.