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Which top 100 player could you take a game from?

Fed fordawin
07-22-2012, 11:45 AM
Assuming they play the exact same game as usual (same risk-taking), which top 100 player do you think you could take a game from (or come close from taking a game)?

I believe if I could put enough returns back in play or if I could serve decently, I could take a game from Verdasco or Golubev. No way they don't make at least one game with 4 unforced errors in a 3 sets match.

TigerTim
07-22-2012, 11:50 AM
Donald Young

Or Andy Murray if he is serving for a Slam

latso
07-22-2012, 12:01 PM
Wake up and have some coffee guys.

Except if you're a pro already, there is no chance for any of us to take a game from a top 100 player.

Maybe on carpet indoors if you have a super duper serve and you're lucky enough to string many first ones in, but that's also in the science fiction thinking.

The question here should be - could an amateur take a game from a top 100 WTA player.

That could be an interesting discussion, but what you ask here is just day dreaming

sexybeast
07-22-2012, 12:09 PM
When my knee was still good I would take a game from Karlovic and Golubev. Anyone could take a game from Coria when he was in doublefaulting mood.

Against guys like Ferrer, Djokovic and Nadal I think I might not win a point the entire set.

leng jai
07-22-2012, 12:10 PM
Always a chance Verdasco will serve 4 doubles.

TigerTim
07-22-2012, 12:13 PM
tbh I doubt many people here would take a game of McEnroe in a best of 5 set match, let alone a top 100 player today

The Fearhand
07-22-2012, 12:24 PM
Wake up and have some coffee guys.

Except if you're a pro already, there is no chance for any of us to take a game from a top 100 player.

Maybe on carpet indoors if you have a super duper serve and you're lucky enough to string many first ones in, but that's also in the science fiction thinking.

The question here should be - could an amateur take a game from a top 100 WTA player.

That could be an interesting discussion, but what you ask here is just day dreaming

+

At least 1 guy knows how to keep it real.

BroTree123
07-22-2012, 12:25 PM
Probably Tipsarevic.

kidbourbon
07-22-2012, 12:27 PM
I could hold serve once against Isner.

Chase Visa
07-22-2012, 12:33 PM
I'd be lucky to take a point of any Top 100 player, let alone a game.

For any players who were any good, you could maybe hold serve against Karlovic or some other servebot. Or some headcase could have a couple of DF's in the same game lol.

Fed fordawin
07-22-2012, 12:33 PM
We're talking about holding serve once in a 3 set match. There's 9 possibilities to do so!
Many people can serve well into the 180 Ks. Against a shitty returner, winning one game is possible.

uxyzapenje
07-22-2012, 12:53 PM
Against Fish. I heard he is injured.

Slade
07-22-2012, 12:55 PM
Donald Young if he's still in the top 100

Chase Visa
07-22-2012, 01:04 PM
Donald Young if he's still in the top 100

Ranked around #60 atm. Will be out of it after the US Open.

Slice Winner
07-22-2012, 04:27 PM
I'd probably get one set tight, at least to a tiebreaker, against this Federer mug.
I'd just moonball to his backhand, and he wouldn't be able to deal with it.

nazzac
07-22-2012, 04:31 PM
The only way i could win a game is if the pro does a lot of unforced errors.

I would suggest that you would take a point though. They would have to make at least one error. It's very unlikely that a player doesn't make an error in an entire set (unless your name is Yaroslava Shvedova)

Smoke944
07-22-2012, 04:32 PM
When my knee was still good I would take a game from Karlovic and Golubev. Anyone could take a game from Coria when he was in doublefaulting mood.

Against guys like Ferrer, Djokovic and Nadal I think I might not win a point the entire set.

lol

HKz
07-22-2012, 04:49 PM
Karlovic. I wouldn't be able to take a game from his serve, but I can still take a game when serving against him.

Dougie
07-22-2012, 05:04 PM
Wake up and have some coffee guys.

Except if you're a pro already, there is no chance for any of us to take a game from a top 100 player.

Maybe on carpet indoors if you have a super duper serve and you're lucky enough to string many first ones in, but that's also in the science fiction thinking.

The question here should be - could an amateur take a game from a top 100 WTA player.

That could be an interesting discussion, but what you ask here is just day dreaming

This.

We're talking about holding serve once in a 3 set match. There's 9 possibilities to do so!
Many people can serve well into the 180 Ks. Against a shitty returner, winning one game is possible.

No, it is not, you´re being delusional. There is a reson why pros are pros, and we are speculating about something as dumb as this in an internet forum.

Orka_n
07-22-2012, 05:15 PM
When my knee was still good I would take a game from Karlovic and Golubev. Anyone could take a game from Coria when he was in doublefaulting mood.

Against guys like Ferrer, Djokovic and Nadal I think I might not win a point the entire set.Did you take an arrow to it?

Fed=ATPTourkilla
07-22-2012, 05:16 PM
I think I could hold serve against Karlovic, probably more than once.

bleu_cheese
07-22-2012, 05:20 PM
Brentos: All of them. Have you ever heard of a bribe?

Fedex
07-22-2012, 05:29 PM
No one on MTF could win a game from a top 100 WTA player, let alone ATP player.

Ash86
07-22-2012, 05:36 PM
When my knee was still good I would take a game from Karlovic and Golubev. Anyone could take a game from Coria when he was in doublefaulting mood.

Against guys like Ferrer, Djokovic and Nadal I think I might not win a point the entire set.

You think? The only way an amateur would win a point against them is by them double faulting - which they would not knowing the return they're facing OR if they chose to give one to you.

Murray triple bageled a guy in Davis Cup - a part time player for Hungary or something - but he was still one of the top 2 in his country! We're talking about the best players in the world here - love that anyone thinks they could win a game off them. Might be popular to call Golubev etc. mugs but to even make it into the top 100 they had to be pretty darn good!

Johnny Groove
07-22-2012, 05:38 PM
If I played my best, I could maybe get a game or two, tops.

tennishero
07-22-2012, 05:41 PM
perhaps some games from a WTA player...

as for ATP, you would need serious luck to win a few points let alone a game.

Looner
07-22-2012, 05:47 PM
If I played my best, I could maybe get a game or two, tops.

Probably the only post that counts in this thread :yeah:.

RNW
07-22-2012, 05:48 PM
The funny fact of this "funny" thread:

We will see an amateur next week in Kitzbühel doubles, playing with Kohlschreiber.

He won a tournament with 4000 players,
i'm not 100% sure but I think with all amateurs.

http://www.bet-at-home-cup.com/de/spiel-deines-lebens-gewinner-steht-fest-junger.html

Fed fordawin
07-22-2012, 06:05 PM
Do remember that I said the players would play as usual, with the same risk takinng as usual.
A couple of points won with good first serves with a good follow up, and a couple of points mugged away by Verdasco or Golubev, and there you go, you have won one game!

JMan22
07-22-2012, 06:35 PM
Well I don't think I'd take a game from anyone since I'm awful at tennis, but for the sake of discussion if I was good enough to sneak a game, I'd say a Karlovic type player on my serve considering they're overly reliant on their own serve. You could maybe even shove Roddick into the category the way he's been playing lately, depending on what surface you're referring to.

Choreos
07-22-2012, 06:36 PM
Do remember that I said the players would play as usual, with the same risk takinng as usual.
A couple of points won with good first serves with a good follow up, and a couple of points mugged away by Verdasco or Golubev, and there you go, you have won one game!

That logic doesn't track because your groundstrokes won't be as good as a pros. So your balls will be slower and shorter, and as a result even Verdasco won't have to take risks to hit a winner.

Fed=ATPTourkilla
07-22-2012, 07:37 PM
No one on MTF could win a game from a top 100 WTA player, let alone ATP player.

That is an exaggeration. You don't know how strong the players on here are. I'll admit that everyone would be completely f*cked against someone like Ferrer, unless they are really good. But being in the top 100 doesn't automatically make you a tennis god - there are serve bot type players whose return games and groundstrokes are really nothing special. I'm backing myself to hold at least once against Karlovic.

motorhead
07-22-2012, 07:45 PM
No one on MTF could win a game from a top 100 WTA player, let alone ATP player.

I had the chance to play against Kamke and I lost 6-2 6-0

JurajCrane
07-22-2012, 08:32 PM
I would take Lacko´s game and try to live only for tennis ... you would see a top 20 player then.

EDIT : Sorry, I misunderstood the name of thread. I meant it was about taking a game from players if I were a pro and play with it.

smashxxx
07-22-2012, 08:47 PM
Actually the problem I have is a bad knee.
Otherwise I believe I could win against Federer or Nadal. I'm not sure about Nole.

abraxas21
07-22-2012, 08:49 PM
The question here should be - could an amateur take a game from a top 100 WTA player.

That could be an interesting discussion, but what you ask here is just day dreaming

of course. i believe serena or venus once admitted that her male sparring was able to beat her comfortably and this guy wasn't even a futures player.

as for the question in the OP, the correct answer is neither. none of us armchair critics has the game to take a game from a top 100 pro.

incube
07-22-2012, 08:58 PM
Nicolas Mahut, even a break;)
He has a pair of good results on his career but its the worst habitual top100 i ever see on play,

buzz
07-22-2012, 09:44 PM
I think anybody outside of the national top30 in holland won't make a game if he plays a set against all top100 atp players. Top 100 atp players probably have an edge in talent, physical ability, technique, tactics/experience and especially feeling for the ball because of hitting those daily for a couple of hours.

Against Karlovic you can probably find some guys with better movement, but Karlovic can still play better shots I think. His return will probably already be very very good against a national top 100 player.

Playing against top100 WTA players is entirely different. There will be some guys who can serve faster then most if not all WTA players. Even guys with such a serve and (above)average WTA movement. So I think an athletic guy with a big serve who plays about 6 hours a week should be able to hold his serve a few times if he plays all 100 top100 wta players.

Fed=ATPTourkilla
07-22-2012, 10:29 PM
Against Karlovic you can probably find some guys with better movement, but Karlovic can still play better shots I think. His return will probably already be very very good against a national top 100 player.

A top 100 Netherlands players would definitely be able to hold serve against Karlovic, in my opinion.

emotion
07-22-2012, 10:31 PM
none.
But if you could take one from anyone, itd be karlovic or muller

Alex999
07-22-2012, 10:53 PM
fun thread, but all of you who think you'd win even a game against a top 100 player are just silly.

The best answer was given by Leng Lai: 'Verdasco making 4 DF errors', priceless, lol

Honestly
07-22-2012, 11:00 PM
None of you would take a game. At my peak when I was playing futures I could take a few points. That's about it. You obviously have no idea how good these guys are.

chenx15
07-22-2012, 11:04 PM
i play with a 65 year old former satellite player and i am way younger than him. let's just say he kicks my butt most of the time. this guy has too much junk and tennis savvy that his point constructions is beyond unbelievable. he can roll it in an play safe then out of nowhere here comes a bullet. this guy knows how to use every single corner of the court and he can play baseline and the net. with that being said. go figure

Slice Winner
07-22-2012, 11:07 PM
Lolling at all the blanket statements.
You guys do know Nole is an avid MTF member, right? Pretty sure he could take a few games off Tomic (on a good day).

Looner
07-22-2012, 11:08 PM
Lolling at all the blanket statements.
You guys do know Nole is an avid MTF member, right? Pretty sure he could take a few games off Tomic (on a good day).

Only if Tomic lets him. You know his talent is #1 material and he should be reaching SF and F, so don't go overhyping your Nole :o.

Slice Winner
07-22-2012, 11:20 PM
I could probably beat Nadal if we played in Halle, between R2 and QFs.

ag6858
07-22-2012, 11:31 PM
The best I've done is taken 2 points from someone who has beaten Matt Barton.

GOAT = Fed
07-23-2012, 12:36 AM
The real question to be discussed here is:

Which top 100 player could take a game from GOAT = Fed?

Edda
07-23-2012, 01:46 AM
Nobdody. I don't play tennis, and am not arrogant enough to think I could compete with anyone who has any ranking at all, no matter how low.

BroTree123
07-23-2012, 01:48 AM
If I played my best, I could maybe get a game or two, tops.

No way man, you'd win :yeah:

Freak3yman84
07-23-2012, 01:49 AM
The real question to be discussed here is:

Which top 100 player could take a game from GOAT = Fed?

No-one obviously. GOAT=GOAT = FED!

jcempire
07-23-2012, 02:00 AM
Donald Young if he's still in the top 100

He is only guy......out of there. We have a chance to take a game

leng jai
07-23-2012, 02:02 AM
He is only guy......out of there. We have a chance to take a game

:banana:

BroTree123
07-23-2012, 02:04 AM
The real question is: can Donald Young win a match against any of us :haha:

uxyzapenje
07-23-2012, 01:33 PM
Lolling at all the blanket statements.
You guys do know Nole is an avid MTF member, right? Pretty sure he could take a few games off Tomic (on a good day).

I would lol so hard if he would jump in and say "All of them. And I would do it 12 times.'

God it would be funny if Nole, Rafa and Roger all had MTF accounts and started aguing :D

duarte_a
07-23-2012, 01:38 PM
Wake up and have some coffee guys.

Except if you're a pro already, there is no chance for any of us to take a game from a top 100 player.

Maybe on carpet indoors if you have a super duper serve and you're lucky enough to string many first ones in, but that's also in the science fiction thinking.

The question here should be - could an amateur take a game from a top 100 WTA player.
That could be an interesting discussion, but what you ask here is just day dreaming

Dementieva. I would just wait for her to make 4 DF. It would happen for sure sooner or later. ;)

GSMnadal
07-23-2012, 01:42 PM
I might fluke a point with a mishit forehand, dead netcord ball. Vamossing like crazy and doing the full lawnmower fistpump afterwards.

stuey87
07-23-2012, 01:44 PM
I'd back us all to take a game off Baghdatis, just because he's such a nice guy that he'd give us one in a 6-0 6-1 win.

Other than that, maybe Malisse or Youzhny if you could get either to go into one of their melt-down modes at the time...? :shrug:

Gagsquet
07-23-2012, 02:02 PM
Against Gasquet

Four Underhand serves: game ME :banana:

paseo
07-23-2012, 02:03 PM
Just blast screamers left and right and pray you'll get 4 in a row somehow.

Don't bother rallying. They'll toy with you.

Snowwy
07-23-2012, 02:17 PM
None of them, Peter Polansky is ranked outside the top 100, at 157 and today he beat a player ranked 380 in the world, 60 60.

Maybe a better question is, which player in the top 100/1000 can you win a point against, with the constraint being only 100 points will be played. I still think that for most of MTF, that is none.

UsD.AnDreS
07-23-2012, 02:18 PM
I'll routine piggy with my eyes closed. Espescially considering he's... kind of ...injured.

paseo
07-23-2012, 02:25 PM
None of them, Peter Polansky is ranked outside the top 100, at 157 and today he beat a player ranked 380 in the world, 60 60.

Maybe a better question is, which player in the top 100/1000 can you win a point against, with the constraint being only 100 points will be played. I still think that for most of MTF, that is none.

What? Surely you can hit at least 1 winner.

Henry Chinaski
07-23-2012, 02:28 PM
verdasco would double fault 4 times in a row against me I'm sure

Slice Winner
07-23-2012, 02:49 PM
I might fluke a point with a mishit forehand, dead netcord ball. Vamossing like crazy and doing the full lawnmower fistpump afterwards.

Somehow I'm not surprised you'd react like that.

Commander Data
07-23-2012, 02:52 PM
Federer shanking 4 BH's while I wear my Nadal mask I bought for carnival.

Hypnotize
07-23-2012, 03:00 PM
I question whether most of the posters on here even watch tennis let alone play it. :rolleyes:

Commander Data
07-23-2012, 03:09 PM
does PS3 count?

Mark Lenders
07-23-2012, 03:13 PM
I reckon I could beat Murray... on Top Spin 4, that is.

Dougie
07-23-2012, 04:06 PM
Just blast screamers left and right and pray you'll get 4 in a row somehow.

Don't bother rallying. They'll toy with you.

What? Surely you can hit at least 1 winner.

Do you really think the top players would give you any chances to hit winners? The amount of pace and spin that they have in their strokes makes their shots so heavy, you wouldn´t be able to blast anything off them.

Vinceremo
07-23-2012, 04:15 PM
Lol at the people that actually believe they could take a game from Verdasco! He would easily put away each short ball played by anyone who isn't actually heavily trained. Hitting shots with at least decent pace and depth consistently would be required to have a chance at getting some UEs from a pro, and still you wouldn't be able to deal with their shot weight.

Do you really think the top players would give you any chances to hit winners? The amount of pace and spin that they have in their strokes makes their shots so heavy, you wouldn´t be able to blast anything off them.

This, exactly.

r2473
07-23-2012, 05:30 PM
Maybe a better question is, which player in the top 100/1000 can you win a point against, with the constraint being only 100 points will be played. I still think that for most of MTF, that is none.

one point? i could do that.

just net rush. odds are the guy would make one error or you could put away one volley out of 100.

superslam77
07-23-2012, 05:56 PM
karlovic should be the easiest...when he receives of course.

Allez
07-23-2012, 06:01 PM
I'd thrash Donald Young. No contest.

superslam77
07-23-2012, 06:03 PM
i play with a 65 year old former satellite player and i am way younger than him. let's just say he kicks my butt most of the time. this guy has too much junk and tennis savvy that his point constructions is beyond unbelievable. he can roll it in an play safe then out of nowhere here comes a bullet. this guy knows how to use every single corner of the court and he can play baseline and the net. with that being said. go figure

i played against some pro player once and lost 6-1 :P

the first game got him by surprise, i just hit as hard as i could and came to the net(i'm good at net).

but after that he just kept getting everything back and no matter how hard i hit he would return it softly forever.

mystic ice cube
07-23-2012, 06:09 PM
I wouldn't take a point off any one of them let alone a game.

Allez
07-23-2012, 06:11 PM
I had the chance to play against Kamke and I lost 6-2 6-0

Impressive :yeah:

hiperborejac
07-23-2012, 06:13 PM
Federer, Nadal and Djokovic from all of them... I might be able to take them into a tiebreak.

superslam77
07-23-2012, 06:13 PM
I wouldn't take a point off any one of them let alone a game.

i can take a point against any of them as i got more power than tennis pros.

Allez
07-23-2012, 06:18 PM
Come on people. Surely most players on MTF could take a few games off Donald Young ? WTF ? Does anyone here actually play tennis :shrug:

Mateya
07-23-2012, 06:29 PM
As an ex WTA futures player, I'm confident I could get a point here and there. But not enough to win a game.

Ok, on his serve I would be toast and happy to get out of there alive :lol:
But on my serve, I would use all the shots in the book and try to win points with a big first serve (170km/h that is for me), trying to place it well or just a body serve. Then, if getting a slighly shorter reply, I would just go for a big second shot near the sidelines and try to stretch him as much as possible. :shrug: I know I can put away a short ball.
Or even better and easier, I would try to hit some heavily backspinned dropshots - the ones that just die in the clay. I could get to 15 or 30 on my serve with some luck.

But I would win a game or a set by playing naked. ;) Someone like Gulbis would probably give up...game, set, match Mateja.

Lugburz
07-23-2012, 06:32 PM
Karlović, on his serve :p

masterclass
07-23-2012, 06:46 PM
In my prime, I think I could have beaten Tomic on grass if we were both using wooden racquets. ;)
But it's difficult to compare eras. :shrug:

Respectfully,
masterclass

Fiberlight1
07-23-2012, 07:06 PM
Karlovic. I wouldn't be able to take a game from his serve, but I can still take a game when serving against him.

No you couldn't.

Fiberlight1
07-23-2012, 07:14 PM
The answer you're looking for is : No one on this board.

INb4 Nole posts here, omg.

Fabilicious
07-23-2012, 10:10 PM
Did you take an arrow to it?

:worship::worship::rolls:

paseo
07-23-2012, 10:48 PM
Do you really think the top players would give you any chances to hit winners? The amount of pace and spin that they have in their strokes makes their shots so heavy, you wouldn´t be able to blast anything off them.

If the objective was to play a match, then yes, I guess I wouldn't be able to blast anything off them.

But here, the objective is to get a point. I'm not talking about 50-50 screamers, none of that calculated risk taking stuff. I'm talking about reckless abandon, hitting those 10-90 or even 5-95 types of screamers. You know, the ones you hit at practices, when you're having some fun. Out of 100 tries, I'm somewhat confident that one of them will be a winner.

It won't be pretty. But a point is a point.

Fed=ATPTourkilla
07-23-2012, 11:00 PM
Here is some proof of the level of exaggeration on this thread.

The obvious example of when top 100 players have to play people with much lower rankings is in the Slams when 'local heroes' get wildcards. So I looked at the most recent national wildcards, Wimbledon, to see how they did.

Oliver Golding, world ranking 491. Played Andreev (93) and lost 1-6, 7-6 (7/4), 7-6 (9/7), 7-5.

James Ward (173) First round d Andujar (35) 4-6, 6-0, 3-6, 6-3, 6-3. Second round lost to Fish (12) 6-3, 5-7, 6-4, 6-7, 6-3.

Josh Goodall (184) First round lost to Zemlja (110) 6-3, 5-7, 6-4, 6-7, 6-3

Admittedly Ward's ranking is high enough for him to be able to own anyone on this board, so maybe a bad example. But you can see from the result of a 500 ranked player that the top 100 are not as untouchable as people claim. Golding won a set 6-1 and the other 3 were all very close. From that result it seems likely that several players outside the top 1000 would stand decent chances of holding serve at least once vs serve bots with weak return games like Karlovic.

As I said before though, I'm not denying that everyone on here would be completely f*cked against a solid baseliner from the top 100, unless we have some very strong players.

RNW
07-24-2012, 12:05 PM
As addition to this thread.

Kitzbühel doubles.

Kohlschreiber/Trumphart d. Rosol/Zeballos 57 64 10-5

Trumphart is an amateur player from Austria.

It's doubles and another story,
but I think that this match is the only match which has to do (at least a bit) with this thread.

Bet-at-home made a challenge for amateur players.
From 4000 the winner could play doubles with Kohlschreiber at Kitzbühel...

From the result you can see that Trumphart hold serves several times. As he is the worse player compared to Kohli, the two opponents probably played more to him than to Kohlschreiber.
But I haven't saw the match.

latso
07-24-2012, 12:21 PM
Here is some proof of the level of exaggeration on this thread.

The obvious example of when top 100 players have to play people with much lower rankings is in the Slams when 'local heroes' get wildcards. So I looked at the most recent national wildcards, Wimbledon, to see how they did.

Oliver Golding, world ranking 491. Played Andreev (93) and lost 1-6, 7-6 (7/4), 7-6 (9/7), 7-5.

James Ward (173) First round d Andujar (35) 4-6, 6-0, 3-6, 6-3, 6-3. Second round lost to Fish (12) 6-3, 5-7, 6-4, 6-7, 6-3.

Josh Goodall (184) First round lost to Zemlja (110) 6-3, 5-7, 6-4, 6-7, 6-3

Admittedly Ward's ranking is high enough for him to be able to own anyone on this board, so maybe a bad example. But you can see from the result of a 500 ranked player that the top 100 are not as untouchable as people claim. Golding won a set 6-1 and the other 3 were all very close. From that result it seems likely that several players outside the top 1000 would stand decent chances of holding serve at least once vs serve bots with weak return games like Karlovic.

As I said before though, I'm not denying that everyone on here would be completely f*cked against a solid baseliner from the top 100, unless we have some very strong players.
So what are you saying actually? That a top 500 could take sets to top 100 players on grass?

That we know. And it's far from the point of the thread.

Find somewhere a top 20 girl in your country (that would mean an out of top 500 WTA player).

Try to hit some balls with her and try to realize that what you get is 100 times weaker than Serena, Masha, etc. and 100 times more than a top 200 male player.

I'm just lmao to ppl thinking that they can serve a game out against Karlovic :facepalm:

What you gonna do with the deep slice return on your BH? And whatever you do, do you realize the guy is like a wall at the net even before you even imagined what to do with this low bouncing ball on your BH?

Just get back to earth, find a 14yo junior in your club, get your arse kicked and think about the matter again..

latso
07-24-2012, 12:25 PM
As addition to this thread.

Kitzbühel doubles.

Kohlschreiber/Trumphart d. Rosol/Zeballos 57 64 10-5

Trumphart is an amateur player from Austria.

It's doubles and another story,
but I think that this match is the only match which has to do (at least a bit) with this thread.

Bet-at-home made a challenge for amateur players.
From 4000 the winner could play doubles with Kohlschreiber at Kitzbühel...

From the result you can see that Trumphart hold serves several times. As he is the worse player compared to Kohli, the two opponents probably played more to him than to Kohlschreiber.
But I haven't saw the match.
Do you know why the Bryan bros are horrible at singles? Coz it's a different sport.

Anyways, an amateur who won a 4000+ players tournament or whatever must be among the very, very good amateurs and in the doubles it's not a schock such a result.

I've often played Pro-Am doubles tournaments and i know for sure that you feel almost close in terms of quality with the Pros there. You serve, you block return, you volley if you can and you let the Pro handle the longer rallies.

But singles is a very different story

jcempire
07-24-2012, 12:27 PM
Donald Young hasn't won a match in 6 months. Why not? We all have a chance to take a game from him

RNW
07-24-2012, 06:21 PM
Do you know why the Bryan bros are horrible at singles? Coz it's a different sport.

Anyways, an amateur who won a 4000+ players tournament or whatever must be among the very, very good amateurs and in the doubles it's not a schock such a result.

I've often played Pro-Am doubles tournaments and i know for sure that you feel almost close in terms of quality with the Pros there. You serve, you block return, you volley if you can and you let the Pro handle the longer rallies.

But singles is a very different story

I know that.
I wrote it in my post.
I did not say anything else.

But I just thought that it is interesting and not that far away from this thread.

Roger the Dodger
07-24-2012, 06:27 PM
No one on MTF could win a game from a top 100 WTA player, let alone ATP player.

Besides latso's initial post, here's another post that made sense.

But honestly, even club level players can bagel me quite often.

Top hundred - that's world class talent!


















Ok, maybe a few games off Somdev when he's past thirty and half-injured. :lol:

Deathless Mortal
07-24-2012, 06:33 PM
Here is some proof of the level of exaggeration on this thread.

The obvious example of when top 100 players have to play people with much lower rankings is in the Slams when 'local heroes' get wildcards. So I looked at the most recent national wildcards, Wimbledon, to see how they did.

Oliver Golding, world ranking 491. Played Andreev (93) and lost 1-6, 7-6 (7/4), 7-6 (9/7), 7-5.

James Ward (173) First round d Andujar (35) 4-6, 6-0, 3-6, 6-3, 6-3. Second round lost to Fish (12) 6-3, 5-7, 6-4, 6-7, 6-3.

Josh Goodall (184) First round lost to Zemlja (110) 6-3, 5-7, 6-4, 6-7, 6-3

Admittedly Ward's ranking is high enough for him to be able to own anyone on this board, so maybe a bad example. But you can see from the result of a 500 ranked player that the top 100 are not as untouchable as people claim. Golding won a set 6-1 and the other 3 were all very close. From that result it seems likely that several players outside the top 1000 would stand decent chances of holding serve at least once vs serve bots with weak return games like Karlovic.

As I said before though, I'm not denying that everyone on here would be completely f*cked against a solid baseliner from the top 100, unless we have some very strong players.


Just unbelievably ridiculous post. How is a player ranked #184 losing in 5 sets to a player ranked #110 a proof or at least a sign that amateur people on this board could take a game against a top 100 player? Your choice of examples is really very poor.
Here are two better examples that might show you another side:
Martin Linzer (#240) def. Henrik Sillanpaa (#1097) 6-0 6-0 today
Peter Polansky (#157) def. Matteo Marrai (#380) 6-0 6-0 yesterday

Among the guys here, there are a few who claim to be playing very well for amateur standards. One of them is Johnny Groove and if I remember correctly he lost something like 6-1 6-1 to a random guy in futures qualifying.

TBkeeper
07-24-2012, 06:34 PM
I can take a game from Cedrik-Marcel Stebe for obvious reasons ...

Fed=ATPTourkilla
07-24-2012, 07:22 PM
Just unbelievably ridiculous post. How is a player ranked #184 losing in 5 sets to a player ranked #110 a proof or at least a sign that amateur people on this board could take a game against a top 100 player? Your choice of examples is really very poor.
Here are two better examples that might show you another side:
Martin Linzer (#240) def. Henrik Sillanpaa (#1097) 6-0 6-0 today
Peter Polansky (#157) def. Matteo Marrai (#380) 6-0 6-0 yesterday

Among the guys here, there are a few who claim to be playing very well for amateur standards. One of them is Johnny Groove and if I remember correctly he lost something like 6-1 6-1 to a random guy in futures qualifying.

Except that I quoted the 500 ranked player result, not the 180 rank.

Where did you get those results from and are you cherry picking? It would be interesting if you have a pool of results from players ranked around 1000 vs players in the 200s. If they are all double bagels then I'll admit I'm wrong. But without that I am sticking to my guns that holding serve once against a top 100 serve bot is not such a high hurdle to pass that nobody here could do it. Let's assume there are players on the board who have played in futures qualifying and been reasonably competitive. There would be 6 opportunities to hold in a best of 3.

Deathless Mortal
07-24-2012, 07:32 PM
Except that I quoted the 500 ranked player result, not the 180 rank.

Where did you get those results from and are you cherry picking? It would be interesting if you have a pool of results from players ranked around 1000 vs players in the 200s. If they are all double bagels then I'll admit I'm wrong. But without that I am sticking to my guns that holding serve once against a top 100 serve bot is not such a high hurdle to pass that nobody here could do it. Let's assume there are players on the board who have played in futures qualifying and been reasonably competitive. There would be 6 opportunities to hold in a best of 3.

It doesn't matter if I'm cherry picking or not. The point is that they are ranked players who were double bageled by players who are not even in top 100. What we are talking about here is a random amateur taking a game from a top 100 player.
Obviously having this discussion doesn't make sense because you don't seem to understand what it means to be a top 100 player. Latso already put it quite well, try playing against a top20 ranked WTA player in your country and you'll see things a bit more clear.

Fed=ATPTourkilla
07-24-2012, 07:38 PM
It doesn't matter if I'm cherry picking or not. The point is that they are ranked players who were double bageled by players who are not even in top 100. What we are talking about here is a random amateur taking a game from a top 100 player.
Obviously having this discussion doesn't make sense because you don't seem to understand what it means to be a top 100 player. Latso already put it quite well, try playing against a top20 ranked WTA player in your country and you'll see things a bit more clear.

Of course a top 100 player's level is far beyond that of even 'good' amateurs. Nobody is denying that at all. The question is whether they are all so strong that it would be an automatic double bagel every time. And of course it matters if you have cherry picked those results - if you have a pool of results which show other games of 7-6 7-6 from world no. 1000 vs world no 150 then it would clearly weaken what you are saying.

EDIT: You can actually get a good idea of how top players compare with good amateurs if anyone knows where to find full results breakdowns from futures tournaments. I can't find much on the ITF website. But I am sure there will be futures tournaments where players ranked under 200 will have come up against players with horrible rankings, in the early rounds.

Dr.Slice
07-24-2012, 07:55 PM
Some people really need to think a little about things. Any top 100 player would triple bagle everyone here. No question about it. The question would rather be - how many points would you get. Maybe a few from lucky shots or mishits from the pros, but really, a game off of them. Zero chance. Nor would you get any points from DF, because they would just not be under any pressure to go for the lines on serve, because no one here has anything on the return to hurt those guys with. That said, I would love to see a match like that and see how someone from here would take the spin that Nadal gets. Would be great comedy to watch.

paseo
07-24-2012, 10:23 PM
I would love to see a match like that and see how someone from here would take the spin that Nadal gets. Would be great comedy to watch.

Man, What I'd give to be triple bageled by Nadal on clay or by Fed on grass. I'd be smiling all match. The experience must be so awesome.

Edda
07-25-2012, 12:57 AM
I would just love to meet one of my favorite players. As they are all male players, I wouldn't be competing with them, anyway.

jjc225
07-25-2012, 02:22 AM
This is all pipedream nonsense. I couldn't get a game off anyone in the top 100. Heck, I couldn't get a game off 139th ranked Paul Capdeville. Heck, I couldn't even get a game off 708th ranked German Jeremy Jahn.

Get real folks!

latso
07-25-2012, 06:06 AM
I know that.
I wrote it in my post.
I did not say anything else.

But I just thought that it is interesting and not that far away from this thread.
no, i know, didn't mean to be agressive or smth :)

cheers

Mountaindewslave
07-25-2012, 07:03 AM
let's be realistic, probably only a few posters on this site good win a game against a guy in the top 100, maybe nobody.

it's the top 100 best players for a reason, they play at an insane level and clearly if you watch the sport enough at all you know that.

I doubt anyone here consistantly can serve above 100 mph nor could handle the pace and spin that these players have. whether you elect to serve or return, it's totally bogus that some of you are acting like you could.

even saying you could probably win a game serving against Karlovic is ridiculous because his return game is still top couple hundred worthy and much much better than anything of you club players

we're talking about someone here playing someone who hits probably a million tennis strokes a season I mean come on....................

I play plenty of tennis and have played somewhat competitively but am realistic to know that I couldn't win a game against someone in the top 100. maybe a few hundred ranks below, but when there are millions of people who play the sport (recreationally or not) in the world, the top 100 is no joke

Mountaindewslave
07-25-2012, 07:28 AM
None of them, Peter Polansky is ranked outside the top 100, at 157 and today he beat a player ranked 380 in the world, 60 60.

Maybe a better question is, which player in the top 100/1000 can you win a point against, with the constraint being only 100 points will be played. I still think that for most of MTF, that is none.

this is the simple and realistic answer- top 100 players often CRUSH players ranked around 500, and you can be certain a player ranked in the hundreds is way way way better than any poster on this site.
I doubt there is a poster on this site who could win games against the best junior players in their country let alone top ranked PROs............

Jverweij
07-25-2012, 09:53 AM
the only way I'd win a point is if I'd shank an accidental dropshot, or the other guy misses. No way that will happen 4 times in 1 game. Not against any1 in the top 1000 even

duong
07-25-2012, 10:11 AM
Last night I was serving for the set against Verdasco but unfortunately I choked miserably :sad: ... in my dream (really) :lol:

I can imagine the titles from MTF :facepalm:

RNW
07-25-2012, 12:05 PM
So, Trumphart, the austrian player who won with Kohlschreiber in doubles against Zeballos/Rosol in Kitz is actually No. 121 of Austria.

So, what we can say from this match is the fact that Top 100 players from a nation probably can serve and return on a level which allowed them to make some points and rallie - in DOUBLES!

We still haven't a real match from an amateur in SINGLES. But I think that the problem of this thread is that a lot of people think about National Top 200 players and some others think about total amateurs...

Mateya
07-25-2012, 06:50 PM
Another good example is:

Juan Ignacio Chela, who barely won a match this year and is in horrible from + has a joke serve for top100 standards, has destroyed no.538 Ramirez in Acapulco 6-0 6-1.

A solid futures player won 1 game, a good amateur would be happy with winning a lucky point here and there.

I hope I could play a set with our Polona Hercog some day. That would be so cool. :D I'll report how many points I won...