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How many more titles will Federer win this year?

masterclass
07-20-2012, 11:30 AM
How many more titles will Roger Federer win this year?
(Not how many you want him to win ;), but an educated guess.)

Here are his scheduled tournaments (defending in bold):

1. 07/27/2012 - 08/05/2012 - Olympic Games 2012 at Wimbledon.

2. 08/06/2012 - 08/12/2012 - Rogers Cup (Toronto) Masters 1000

3. 08/13/2012 - 08/19/2012 - Western & Southern Open (Cincinnati) Masters 1000

4. 08/27/2012 - 09/09/2012 - US Open

5. 10/08/2012 - 10/14/2012 - Shanghai Rolex Masters 1000

6. 10/22/2012 - 10/28/2012 - Swiss Indoors (Basel) ATP 500

7. 10/29/2012 - 11/04/2012 - BNP Paribas Masters 1000 (Paris-Bercy)

8. 11/05/2012 - 11/12/2012 - Barclays ATP World Tour Finals

Respectfully,
masterclass

abollo
07-20-2012, 11:31 AM
8 :)

Chase Visa
07-20-2012, 11:37 AM
I'll say four - Olympics, Cincy, Basel, WTF.

Evitman
07-20-2012, 11:38 AM
I think he might probably skip 2 of the 3 Masters (Toronto, Shanghai, Paris), depending on his results in the Olympics and US Open.

TBkeeper
07-20-2012, 11:38 AM
I'll say 4

masterclass
07-20-2012, 11:53 AM
It's interesting.
It's arguably the best part of the year coming for him in terms of playing conditions (grass Olympics, faster outdoor hard, and indoor hard).

Will he get on a roll after winning Wimbledon - his first major in over 2 years, and retaking world #1?
Or will he relax?
Will the other top players bear down even more now and try to knock him off his pedestal?
Some may say he is too old to keep up this pace, even though others in history have done so.

Make your most educated guess :)

Respectfully,
masterclass

DemiCrayanhan
07-20-2012, 12:02 PM
I'm giving him 4, based on the following likelihoods.

1. Olympic Games
99% - This yawn tournament is as close as it gets to a lock. Watch him f*ck it up just cause of my prophecy.

2. Toronto
15% - I'd rather he skipped it honestly. Don't need to see him struggling to shake off the celebratory champagne still running through his old veins.

3. Cincinnati
51% - Here's hoping he gives Novak a good fight in the final.

4. US Open
50% - F*cking take the match point this time, will ya?

5. Shanghai
30% - Rolex doesn't write that fat check so he can keep skipping their tournaments, but I'm happy for Novak and Andy to go at it for this one.

6. Basel
90% - this is the year they name the main court after him.

7. Paris
0% - he's not playing this one peeps. Old bones' been there done that. Got bigger fish to fry. See below.

8. WTF
90% - in the gold-embroidered, #300-anagrammed bag.

Looner
07-20-2012, 12:04 PM
Voted 2. Not sure why but I am not that optimistic for the end of year.

DemiCrayanhan
07-20-2012, 12:05 PM
I'll say four - Olympics, Cincy, Basel, WTF.
:lol: i guess i could have just said ditto.

AncicCilic
07-20-2012, 12:12 PM
Olympic Games 2012 - i'd say he is the favourite here (1)

Rogers Cup (Toronto) Masters 1000 - i reckon he will skip after olympics

Cincinnati Masters 1000 - either this or USO

US Open - either this or Cinci (2)

Shanghai Rolex Masters 1000 - might skip if he wins USO

Swiss Indoors (Basel) ATP 500 - has to win (3)

BNP Paribas Masters 1000 - don't see him pushing alot here, unless year-end no.1 is at stake.

Barclays ATP World Tour Finals - final push before season-end (4)

MachineGun
07-20-2012, 12:13 PM
4, in my opinion.


I'm pretty sure for those 3:
Olympics
US Open
Basel

The 4th will be one of the two:
Toronto
Barclays ATP World Tour Finals

duarte_a
07-20-2012, 12:21 PM
I think Roger will skip Toronto and Paris certainly and possibly Shanghai.

So out of Olympics, Cincinnati, US Open, Basel and WTF I think he'll win 3 with those 3 being Olympics, Cincinnati and Basel.

GSMnadal
07-20-2012, 12:26 PM
Olympics and Basel :zzz:

Looner
07-20-2012, 12:30 PM
Olympics and Basel :zzz:

This looks like a very likely proposition but I'd hope he wins at Cincy. He hasn't had the time to rest, so I'm not overly optimistic for the USO.

rutinos harcos
07-20-2012, 12:31 PM
Hopefully,zero.

EliSter
07-20-2012, 12:39 PM
9? :rocker2:

cardio
07-20-2012, 12:51 PM
You guys need serious reality check if you think he grabs 8-9 titles a year at tender age of 31 . I give him Basel -if Djoko will not play this - and that`s it.:devil:

michel
07-20-2012, 12:55 PM
How many more titles will Roger Federer win this year?
(Not how many you want him to win ;), but an educated guess.)

Here are his scheduled tournaments:

1. 07/27/2012 - 08/05/2012 - Olympic Games 2012 at Wimbledon.

2. 08/06/2012 - 08/12/2012 - Rogers Cup (Toronto) Masters 1000

3. 08/13/2012 - 08/19/2012 - Western & Southern Open (Cincinnati) Masters 1000

4. 08/27/2012 - 09/09/2012 - US Open

5. 10/08/2012 - 10/14/2012 - Shanghai Rolex Masters 1000

6. 10/22/2012 - 10/28/2012 - Swiss Indoors (Basel) ATP 500

7. 10/29/2012 - 11/04/2012 - BNP Paribas Masters 1000 (Paris-Bercy)

8. 11/05/2012 - 11/12/2012 - Barclays ATP World Tour Finals

Respectfully,
masterclass

How many pull out at the last moment ??

JurajCrane
07-20-2012, 01:26 PM
Olympics and Basel :zzz:

Tournament w/o Nadal, huh ? :p

Roy Emerson
07-20-2012, 01:49 PM
I'll say four - Olympics, Cincy, Basel, WTF.

Something like that.

Blathzer
07-20-2012, 02:56 PM
Olympics Cincy USO Basel WTF

bry17may
07-20-2012, 03:06 PM
He will win 5 more

1. Olympic Games vs Djokovic
2. Cincinatti vs Berdych
3. US Open vs Tsonga
4. Basel vs Nishikori??
5. WTF vs Murray

And he heva some possibilities if he play Shanghai

Federer in 2
07-20-2012, 03:23 PM
Olympics and Basel :zzz:

How about predicting how many titles Nadal will win for the rest of 2012??
That's easy! Just count how many clay tournemnts there are until the end of the season :zzz:

tyruk14
07-20-2012, 03:36 PM
Olympics, Basel, WTF.

manadrainer
07-20-2012, 04:56 PM
How many pull out at the last moment ??

2. Toronto and bercy.

Roger the Dodger
07-20-2012, 05:01 PM
Any four among these six:

1. Olympics
2. Cincinnati
3. USO
4. Shanghai
5. Basel
6. WTF

Mystique
07-20-2012, 05:10 PM
I predict 3 (hopefully will be Olympics, USO and WTF :D), MAYBE 4. Definitely cannot see more than that, even 4 more is a stretch tbh.
2012 has already been a great year for Rog though :) so I am content enough;)

The Fearhand
07-20-2012, 05:11 PM
2012 is Federers year IMO.

I hope he wins Olympics I really do. WTF he will win too. I'd say at least 4.

masterclass
07-20-2012, 05:11 PM
9? :rocker2:

Wow! Nine is very optimistic EliSter! ;) I didn't even put a poll entry for it. :rolleyes: :cool:

Maybe Mr. Federer will add the conveniently timed Bangkok 250 event (9/24- 9/30) where he's won 2 titles. #8 Tipsarevic leads the current entry list.

Or maybe he'll try the Tokyo 500 event. It's the week before Shanghai, but it has a retractable roof. Murray and Berdych lead the entry list there, while Djokovic, Nadal, Ferrer, and Tsonga are entered the same week for Beijing.

Respectfully,
masterclass

Honestly
07-20-2012, 05:29 PM
Masterclass back with another epic thread. I'm a positive fan so I'm gonna me optimistic and say 5:

1) Olympics
2) Cincy
3) USO
4) Basel
5)WTF

I think he wins at least 3 of those, in which case he is pretty much back to prime level anyway. He needs to win the USO though.

masterclass
07-21-2012, 07:36 AM
Masterclass back with another epic thread. I'm a positive fan so I'm gonna me optimistic and say 5:

1) Olympics
2) Cincy
3) USO
4) Basel
5)WTF

I think he wins at least 3 of those, in which case he is pretty much back to prime level anyway. He needs to win the USO though.

Honestly, these are the 5 I would choose if I were to pick 5 at this moment.
And if he were to win the US Open, his year would unquestionably be the best year for an over 30 year old since Rod Laver's great 1969 year.

Respectfully,
masterclass

Roy Emerson
07-21-2012, 02:49 PM
He will definetely end up with the most titles this year of all the top 4, if not all the tour. Doubt Ferrer(also has 5 titles) wins more than him.

LuCC
07-21-2012, 03:09 PM
Just Olympics and USO would be enough :b

Fedex
07-21-2012, 03:51 PM
Olympics and Basel :zzz:

lol

Federer isn't winning any less than 4 titles.

Honestly
07-21-2012, 05:40 PM
Honestly, these are the 5 I would choose if I were to pick 5 at this moment.
And if he were to win the US Open, his year would unquestionably be the best year for an over 30 year old since Rod Laver's great 1969 year.

Respectfully,
masterclass

If he wins the USO only I would already be happy. That is the big one from here on. Not the OG or the WTF. 6 USO would be a new open era record and he would have the most titles of one slam, something he hasn't done before. Second comes the OG, then the WTF, simply because he already holds the record at the WTF(personally the WTF is more important to me than the OG since mugs like Rosset and Massu couldn't even qualify for the WTF). Forth most important is Cincy and then Basel.

Paylu2007
07-21-2012, 05:49 PM
He will definetely end up with the most titles this year of all the top 4, if not all the tour. Doubt Ferrer(also has 5 titles) wins more than him.

Ferrer has 5 titles??? what has he won this year? :O

Punky
07-21-2012, 07:18 PM
i hope fed will win Olympics, USO, Basel and WTF

grepman
07-21-2012, 10:32 PM
3 - I think

Olympics - mega favorite there - best surface
USO - hopefully gets a favorable draw and peaks towards the end of the tournament
Basel - Home court, indoor, straightforward

He will do well at WTF but I feel Djokovic and others will fight harder this time and he may not as motivated if #1 ranking is locked up by then.

Ash86
07-21-2012, 10:55 PM
3 - I think

Olympics - mega favorite there - best surface
USO - hopefully gets a favorable draw and peaks towards the end of the tournament
Basel - Home court, indoor, straightforward

He will do well at WTF but I feel Djokovic and others will fight harder this time and he may not as motivated if #1 ranking is locked up by then.

I love how confident the Federer fans suddenly are due to one Wimbledon - and even that wasn't a dominant Wimbledon win. :shrug: He could have lost to Benneatau - beat a subpar Novak and then, yes he played well vs Murray, but it was Murray in his home slam final. Does that mean he'll suddenly be overwhelming favourite to beat Novak at the US Open? Don't think so...

Federer hasn't won the US Open since 2008 - actually his biggest drought of all the slams. Murray and Novak are massive threats on that surface. Nadal is always a threat to Federer, even if it is a fast HC - Arthur Ashe has no roof, much to Nadal's pleasure I'm sure! Fed is second favourite or joint with Novak perhaps but no way a lock for US Open.

Same with Basel - Murray's playing, it's best of 3, Murray's good indoors. Are we saying Murray has no shot at all? I don't think so. It's not a slam - Murray can beat anyone on his day. I personally think if Fed gets 2 more titles it's been an unbelievable season for him - he's had some luck go his way (both the French Open and Wimbledon draws were really laughable - I mean Goffin, Mahut, Malisse - who the hell was Fed facing?!), not always played good tennis but made it through to the business end. But Novak, Murray etc. will be switched on till the end of the season and I think will be grabbing some of the big titles.

RForever
07-21-2012, 11:20 PM
I love how confident the Federer fans suddenly are due to one Wimbledon - and even that wasn't a dominant Wimbledon win. :shrug: He could have lost to Benneatau - beat a subpar Novak and then, yes he played well vs Murray, but it was Murray in his home slam final. Does that mean he'll suddenly be overwhelming favourite to beat Novak at the US Open? Don't think so...

Federer hasn't won the US Open since 2008 - actually his biggest drought of all the slams. Murray and Novak are massive threats on that surface. Nadal is always a threat to Federer, even if it is a fast HC - Arthur Ashe has no roof, much to Nadal's pleasure I'm sure! Fed is second favourite or joint with Novak perhaps but no way a lock for US Open.

Same with Basel - Murray's playing, it's best of 3, Murray's good indoors. Are we saying Murray has no shot at all? I don't think so. It's not a slam - Murray can beat anyone on his day. I personally think if Fed gets 2 more titles it's been an unbelievable season for him - he's had some luck go his way (both the French Open and Wimbledon draws were really laughable - I mean Goffin, Mahut, Malisse - who the hell was Fed facing?!), not always played good tennis but made it through to the business end. But Novak, Murray etc. will be switched on till the end of the season and I think will be grabbing some of the big titles.

BS. He lost in F of USO after leading with Delpo, then twice in SF after having MP. So all three pretty close. You sound like he was crushed n 1st rounds.

And all that nonsense with Murray is just a joke.

P.S. Was there a roof in IW where Fed beat Nadal?

Ash86
07-21-2012, 11:30 PM
BS. He lost in F of USO after leading with Delpo, then twice in SF after having MP. So all three pretty close. You sound like he was crushed n 1st rounds.

And all that nonsense with Murray is just a joke.

P.S. Was there a roof in IW where Fed beat Nadal?

No, but did IW play anything like the slow HC tournament it is? Anyone would tell you the weather was awful - Fed dealt with it, won fair and square - good for him. That has no bearing on a potential US Open best of 5 match vs Nadal. As for US Open - I've said he's second/joint favourite - just being realistic about Fed's level - he's not going to be cruising to titles - there's a man called Djokovic who's easily been the best HC player in the world for a year and a half now.

RForever
07-21-2012, 11:41 PM
No, but did IW play anything like the slow HC tournament it is? Anyone would tell you the weather was awful - Fed dealt with it, won fair and square - good for him. That has no bearing on a potential US Open best of 5 match vs Nadal. As for US Open - I've said he's second/joint favourite - just being realistic about Fed's level - he's not going to be cruising to titles - there's a man called Djokovic who's easily been the best HC player in the world for a year and a half now.

That is what I am saying, bad weather is not to Nadal´s pleasure at all. And what HC tournaments were played lately? It is like saying in February that Nadal is the best claycourter for a year and a half now. Novak is not the same lately if you have not noticed. Even in his miraculous year those 2 SF were so close that I dare to say Fed is bigger fav then Nole right now... And that Murray thing, you had to mean somebody else, right?

niff
07-21-2012, 11:48 PM
I love how confident the Federer fans suddenly are due to one Wimbledon...
:rolls: I like how you think anyone takes your pseudo-objectivity seriously.

As for Federer, I don't expect him to lose his stride in what should be the best part of his season but it's a matter of how many of the masters he's going to play, with Canada, Shanghai and Paris all a question mark. Still, 3 titles is a fair prediction I would say. Not including the Olympics, which feels so unpredictable I wouldn't take a punt on any winner.

Honestly
07-22-2012, 01:12 AM
3 - I think

Olympics - mega favorite there - best surface
USO - hopefully gets a favorable draw and peaks towards the end of the tournament
Basel - Home court, indoor, straightforward

He will do well at WTF but I feel Djokovic and others will fight harder this time and he may not as motivated if #1 ranking is locked up by then.

Fair comment. If he wins those three I'd be delighted anyway. Given the wave of confidence he is riding there is a very good possibility that he will win more than 3 events, but in order of improtance it's like this:

1) USO
2) OG
3) WTF
4) The MS events
5) Basel

If he wins only #1 I'd be happy. If he wins #1 and #2 I'd be delighted. If he wins 1-3 I'd be in heaven. If he wins any more than that it's just gravy.

grepman
07-22-2012, 05:31 AM
I love how confident the Federer fans suddenly are due to one Wimbledon - and even that wasn't a dominant Wimbledon win. :shrug: He could have lost to Benneatau - beat a subpar Novak and then, yes he played well vs Murray, but it was Murray in his home slam final. Does that mean he'll suddenly be overwhelming favourite to beat Novak at the US Open? Don't think so...

Federer hasn't won the US Open since 2008 - actually his biggest drought of all the slams. Murray and Novak are massive threats on that surface. Nadal is always a threat to Federer, even if it is a fast HC - Arthur Ashe has no roof, much to Nadal's pleasure I'm sure! Fed is second favourite or joint with Novak perhaps but no way a lock for US Open.

Same with Basel - Murray's playing, it's best of 3, Murray's good indoors. Are we saying Murray has no shot at all? I don't think so. It's not a slam - Murray can beat anyone on his day. I personally think if Fed gets 2 more titles it's been an unbelievable season for him - he's had some luck go his way (both the French Open and Wimbledon draws were really laughable - I mean Goffin, Mahut, Malisse - who the hell was Fed facing?!), not always played good tennis but made it through to the business end. But Novak, Murray etc. will be switched on till the end of the season and I think will be grabbing some of the big titles.

It doesn't matter whether it was a dominant win or not. This is a speculative topic so everyone is giving their POV based on the current state of affairs. You could say Djokovic's Aus'12, USO'11 win was not dominant either but he is still the odds maker favorite for the Open. As an observer, I feel Federer can win since he has been very close (match points) to beating DJokovic the last couple of years and has for crying out loud won it 5 times before !

I also noticed how you construct your argument by picking & choosing tidbits about matches where your favorite player has lost and amplifying that excuse to make your case. Indoor tennis is still tennis ! Every topseed faces lower ranked players in the earlier round.
Who did Djokovic face from the 1st round to 5th ?

Ash86
07-22-2012, 05:53 AM
It doesn't matter whether it was a dominant win or not. This is a speculative topic so everyone is giving their POV based on the current state of affairs. You could say Djokovic's Aus'12, USO'11 win was not dominant either but he is still the odds maker favorite for the Open. As an observer, I feel Federer can win since he has been very close (match points) to beating DJokovic the last couple of years and has for crying out loud won it 5 times before !

I also noticed how you construct your argument by picking & choosing tidbits about matches where your favorite player has lost and amplifying that excuse to make your case. Indoor tennis is still tennis ! Every topseed faces lower ranked players in the earlier round.
Who did Djokovic face from the 1st round to 5th ?

I agree. Fed can win. Heck, he could win the Open, the Olympics and WTF still. It's just my opinion however that Fed's level this year is not actually streets above his nearest competitors. After all, his lead in the Race is hardly decisive. As for Novak not being dominant, I'm struggling to think of a comparison of Fed losing sets to Mahut, Goffin and Benny in slams to the sets Novak lost - at least Tsonga, Seppi etc. are much higher ranked. That's my reason for thinking Novak should be more consistent.

I'm not saying Federer can't win - I just think it's very unlikely he can be winning as many titles as he did in his prime. I'd be surprised if some of the big prizes weren't taken by others - that's all. Wimbledon might give him confidence but to me it won't be decisive in determining his year ahead. After all, he had a heartbreaking US Open loss last year and then still went ahead to sweep the later tournaments. Anyway, yes it's a POV. And my POV is that just because Fed won Wimbledon, doesn't mean his season is now going to be dramatically different than if he had lost in the final.

I'll say he wins two more titles - don't think one will be the US Open.

Allez
07-22-2012, 08:14 AM
I love how confident the Federer fans suddenly are due to one Wimbledon - and even that wasn't a dominant Wimbledon win. :shrug: He could have lost to Benneatau - beat a subpar Novak and then, yes he played well vs Murray, but it was Murray in his home slam final. Does that mean he'll suddenly be overwhelming favourite to beat Novak at the US Open? Don't think so...

Federer hasn't won the US Open since 2008 - actually his biggest drought of all the slams. Murray and Novak are massive threats on that surface. Nadal is always a threat to Federer, even if it is a fast HC - Arthur Ashe has no roof, much to Nadal's pleasure I'm sure! Fed is second favourite or joint with Novak perhaps but no way a lock for US Open.

Same with Basel - Murray's playing, it's best of 3, Murray's good indoors. Are we saying Murray has no shot at all? I don't think so. It's not a slam - Murray can beat anyone on his day. I personally think if Fed gets 2 more titles it's been an unbelievable season for him - he's had some luck go his way (both the French Open and Wimbledon draws were really laughable - I mean Goffin, Mahut, Malisse - who the hell was Fed facing?!), not always played good tennis but made it through to the business end. But Novak, Murray etc. will be switched on till the end of the season and I think will be grabbing some of the big titles.

This. Fed last won the USO FOUR years ago. An eternity. It would take a gargantuan effort and an epic alignment of the stars for him to win there. You are correct that despite 5 titles (including Wimbledon) this year he's looked very vulnerable especially following the shocking loss to Roddick in Miami ,and Nole at his best is the odds on favourite for the USO. Should Fed manage to get to the final and square off Rafa, Rafa is the favourite given their history in slams injury or no injury. Fed has not beaten Rafa in a slam since god knows when.

Should Fed and Murray meet in the final I'd call it 50-50. It's Murray's favourite surface...There'll be zero pressure on him in New York. In a way it would be fitting that he beats someone who has schooled him in three slam finals in the past. As for Rogi, well the pressure of not having won there since 2008 could be the difference. Of course the assumption is that he avoids being upset early on as he has managed to do in the last 2 slams. Will that continue ? Who knows :shrug:

I think he'll win Basel. Are you sure Murray's playing there ? He usually prefers Valencia. Fed could win the WTF as well especially if the other two guys have a taxing USO. So that's 2 more titles for a total of 7 titles this season. Not bad at all for a 31 year old I'd have to say :) Even if he doesn't win another title this year (which is always possible), he's done really well for someone in his position and fed fans should be happy with that. ;)

Mystique
07-22-2012, 08:19 AM
I agree. Fed can win. Heck, he could win the Open, the Olympics and WTF still. It's just my opinion however that Fed's level this year is not actually streets above his nearest competitors. After all, his lead in the Race is hardly decisive. As for Novak not being dominant, I'm struggling to think of a comparison of Fed losing sets to Mahut, Goffin and Benny in slams to the sets Novak lost - at least Tsonga, Seppi etc. are much higher ranked. That's my reason for thinking Novak should be more consistent.

I'm not saying Federer can't win - I just think it's very unlikely he can be winning as many titles as he did in his prime. I'd be surprised if some of the big prizes weren't taken by others - that's all. Wimbledon might give him confidence but to me it won't be decisive in determining his year ahead. After all, he had a heartbreaking US Open loss last year and then still went ahead to sweep the later tournaments. Anyway, yes it's a POV.

I'll say he wins two more titles - don't think one will be the US Open.

:lol: In his prime the guy was winning 3 of 4 slams and taking 3 or 4 Masters per year. So really, no one here is saying he is going to do that this year, with 60% of the year gone, he mathematically cannot anyway.

The US SF last year may well have been a blessing in disguise, it seems to have lead him into some sort of introspection, something tells me its because of the manner in which he lost that match he went on such a tear indoors, not despite. Also, I simply dont get this USO drought crap. Yeah he last won it 4 years ago, So what? He won RG after that, but does that mean he is likelier to win French Open than US Open? In the last two years, Fed's worst slam was Wimbledon and look what happened in 2012. For a 17-time slam champion, it really doesnt matter if he last won one of his best slams 3-4 years ago. US Open is his second best slam, maybe even a case to be made as his best considering he has been close the last 8 straight years really (given he had 2 MPs in the last 2 semis to have made in 8 straight finals). I am not saying he will win the title for sure, but he is the easy 2nd favourite behind Nole for the title, and at his age and on the most neutral surface out there, that is pretty ridiculous.

I dont get why you seem so....nearly offended even if some Fed fans are dreaming way too much. They (We, rather) havent had this opportunity for over 2 years and people were saying this time would never come. This is simply speculative and I agree that most Federer fans in this thread are predicting way off but do you really need to quote and argue with every second one?



And my POV is that just because Fed won Wimbledon, doesn't mean his season is now going to be dramatically different than if he had lost in the final.



This however is BS and you know it.



Should Fed and Murray meet in the final I'd call it 50-50. It's Murray's favourite surface...There'll be zero pressure on him in New York. In a way it would be fitting that he beats someone who has schooled him in three slam finals in the past. As for Rogi, well the pressure of not having won there since 2008 could be the difference. Of course the assumption is that he avoids being upset early on as he has managed to do in the last 2 slams. Will that continue ? Who knows :shrug:


You are entitled to your opinion and I respect it but really, Roger has no pressure whatsoever at the US Open. He has won that title a freaking 5 times and has nothing to prove there. And there is no Slam pressure on him either because he has won that 17th to shut up his detractors.

And Federer hasnt had an "early upset" in a slam since an eternity. And this eternity is more than 4 years ;)

SheenKJohn
07-22-2012, 09:16 AM
This. Fed last won the USO FOUR years ago. An eternity. It would take a gargantuan effort and an epic alignment of the stars for him to win there. You are correct that despite 5 titles (including Wimbledon) this year he's looked very vulnerable especially following the shocking loss to Roddick in Miami ,and Nole at his best is the odds on favourite for the USO. Should Fed manage to get to the final and square off Rafa, Rafa is the favourite given their history in slams injury or no injury. Fed has not beaten Rafa in a slam since god knows when.

Should Fed and Murray meet in the final I'd call it 50-50. It's Murray's favourite surface...There'll be zero pressure on him in New York. In a way it would be fitting that he beats someone who has schooled him in three slam finals in the past. As for Rogi, well the pressure of not having won there since 2008 could be the difference. Of course the assumption is that he avoids being upset early on as he has managed to do in the last 2 slams. Will that continue ? Who knows :shrug:

I think he'll win Basel. Are you sure Murray's playing there ? He usually prefers Valencia. Fed could win the WTF as well especially if the other two guys have a taxing USO. So that's 2 more titles for a total of 7 titles this season. Not bad at all for a 31 year old I'd have to say :) Even if he doesn't win another title this year (which is always possible), he's done really well for someone in his position and fed fans should be happy with that. ;)

Murray - Fed 50-50 ? really ?? :stupid:

If Federer can overcome pressure of winning Wimbledon he will manage the pressure of USO :cool: ;)

Ash86
07-22-2012, 09:31 AM
This however is BS and you know it.


I don't think it is. Fed's level will not somehow dramatically increase because of that slam win. Confidence matters but really I think of the top players Fed is the one least affected by confidence issues - he's pretty even keeled. He will have Olympics, Toronto, Cincy, US Open in quick succession. He'll have hungry Nole, Andy, Del Potro, Tsonga, Berdych. At some point the matches and his age come into play. To me the level of play is more important to look at than results - his Aus Open and RG results were identical but the Aus Open level was WAY higher. In fact I think he played better at the Aus Open than at Wimbledon - apart from perhaps when the roof came on after the rain delay in the final.

Level wise Fed to me has not played the highest level of tennis this year of the top 3. That will bear itself out at some point. The one positive I guess for Fed is that his biggest threat to the US Open, Novak, can only be met in the final. And Novak could lose to Murray. Murray can beat Fed at the US Open - Murray's better on fast hardcourts than grass and he was much more mature in the Wimby final than he has been in the past.

buzz
07-22-2012, 09:50 AM
This. Fed last won the USO FOUR years ago. An eternity. It would take a gargantuan effort and an epic alignment of the stars for him to win there.

You are exaggerating. Federer got beaten by the smallest of margins the last three years, twice in the semi and once in the final so very close. Before that he won 5 straight titles.

Allez
07-22-2012, 09:59 AM
You are entitled to your opinion and I respect it but really, Roger has no pressure whatsoever at the US Open. He has won that title a freaking 5 times and has nothing to prove there. And there is no Slam pressure on him either because he has won that 17th to shut up his detractors.

And Federer hasnt had an "early upset" in a slam since an eternity. And this eternity is more than 4 years ;)

Why did Roger lose to the pony in 2009. Was it mental or was he completely outplayed ? What does his subsequent record against the pony tell you vis a vis that final. Roger does feel pressure at slams. Most of the time he deals with it admirably (Wimbledon 2009 and sometimes he crumbles under the weight of expectation AO '09 and USO '09). The pressure is not only outside pressure. He also expects to win these tournaments and 4 years is too long a dry spell for someone like him.

As for pre quarters upset...well it will come sooner or later and coming withing 2 points of losing to someone like Benneteau of all people and on grass no less should tell you that nothing should be taken for granted. I hope that's Roger's attitude anyway as things will not get any easier.

Fed fordawin
07-22-2012, 10:04 AM
Only Rogers cup and Shangaï will escape the smooth assassin's grasp.

tripwires
07-22-2012, 10:08 AM
This. Fed last won the USO FOUR years ago. An eternity. It would take a gargantuan effort and an epic alignment of the stars for him to win there. You are correct that despite 5 titles (including Wimbledon) this year he's looked very vulnerable especially following the shocking loss to Roddick in Miami ,and Nole at his best is the odds on favourite for the USO. Should Fed manage to get to the final and square off Rafa, Rafa is the favourite given their history in slams injury or no injury. Fed has not beaten Rafa in a slam since god knows when.


In 2009 he lost the FINAL in 5 sets. In 2010 and 2011 he had MATCH POINTS in the semi. To say that he performed decently well despite not winning since 2008 is probably understating it a little.

How was the loss to Roddick shocking in any meaningful way? He'd just won Indian Wells and a couple of tournaments before that. It was unrealistic to expect him to make a real impact in Miami. Not to mention - it wasn't the first time he lost to Andy there.

If the USO court plays decently fast, a meeting between Fed and Nadal would favour Fed slightly. That said, we all know about his brainfarts when it comes to Nadal, so that might actually cancel out the surface advantage. :facepalm:

Should Fed and Murray meet in the final I'd call it 50-50. It's Murray's favourite surface...There'll be zero pressure on him in New York. In a way it would be fitting that he beats someone who has schooled him in three slam finals in the past. As for Rogi, well the pressure of not having won there since 2008 could be the difference. Of course the assumption is that he avoids being upset early on as he has managed to do in the last 2 slams. Will that continue ? Who knows :shrug:

50-50? :facepalm: Okay.


I think he'll win Basel. Are you sure Murray's playing there ? He usually prefers Valencia. Fed could win the WTF as well especially if the other two guys have a taxing USO. So that's 2 more titles for a total of 7 titles this season. Not bad at all for a 31 year old I'd have to say :) Even if he doesn't win another title this year (which is always possible), he's done really well for someone in his position and fed fans should be happy with that. ;)

I agree, I'd be pretty happy if he doesn't win another title this year, though I'd like him to win WTF again.

Allez
07-22-2012, 10:17 AM
You are exaggerating. Federer got beaten by the smallest of margins the last three years, twice in the semi and once in the final so very close. Before that he won 5 straight titles.

Say he'd won those 2 semis against Nole (as he should have), do you honestly believe he'd have beaten Nadal in the final? Didn't think so. He's never beaten him in a slam final outside of Wimbledon and even there Rafa won their last encounter in 08. So I think the fact that Nole clutched it up in those match points is completely irrelevant as far as the eventual winner of those 2 USO's is concerned. Look Fed's one of the top 4 favourites going into this USO. That's not too shabby for a 31 year old. Nothing but admiration from me.

Johnbert
07-22-2012, 10:26 AM
Say he'd won those 2 semis against Nole (as he should have), do you honestly believe he'd have beaten Nadal in the final? Didn't think so. He's never beaten him in a slam final outside of Wimbledon and even there Rafa won their last encounter in 08. So I think the fact that Nole clutched it up in those match points is completely irrelevant as far as the eventual winner of those 2 USO's is concerned. Look Fed's one of the top 4 favourites going into this USO. That's not too shabby for a 31 year old. Nothing but admiration from me.

they've never played against each other at the uso and you say he wouldn't have a chance against nadal there... funny.

TigerTim
07-22-2012, 10:26 AM
:shrug: Murray's brother is playing Valencia this year so Muzzah will probably go their chill with Rafa and do doubles with Jamie.

Btw where is the tard who said "Federer will fall" :haha: :haha: :smash:

Fed fordawin
07-22-2012, 10:28 AM
Say he'd won those 2 semis against Nole (as he should have), do you honestly believe he'd have beaten Nadal in the final? Didn't think so. He's never beaten him in a slam final outside of Wimbledon and even there Rafa won their last encounter in 08. So I think the fact that Nole clutched it up in those match points is completely irrelevant as far as the eventual winner of those 2 USO's is concerned. Look Fed's one of the top 4 favourites going into this USO. That's not too shabby for a 31 year old. Nothing but admiration from me.

USO is a very, very fast court. Nadal wouldn't have been and won't evr be the favourite there against fed.

Allez
07-22-2012, 10:28 AM
How was the loss to Roddick shocking in any meaningful way? He'd just won Indian Wells and a couple of tournaments before that. It was unrealistic to expect him to make a real impact in Miami. Not to mention - it wasn't the first time he lost to Andy there.

If the USO court plays decently fast, a meeting between Fed and Nadal would favour Fed slightly. That said, we all know about his brainfarts when it comes to Nadal, so that might actually cancel out the surface advantage. :facepalm:


Given Andy Roddick's atrocious form heading into that match and thereafter I'd say destroying the then in form player on the tour was pretty shocking to say the least. I don't mean to say it is because of that loss that he's played relatively poorly in comparison to his post AO and pre Miami run. I just used it a marker for when things started looking a little laboured for him...If anything it's his back injury that has probably caused the change. Still can't believe he managed to play as well as he did at Wimbledon with that :eek:

As far as the Rafa match-up is concerned...you said it best. Fed can no longer rely on surface advantage against him. The match up is just too big an issue. That Rafa's tactics are so predictable but the result is always the same tells the whole story really.

Allez
07-22-2012, 10:34 AM
they've never played against each other at the uso and you say he wouldn't have a chance against nadal there... funny.

They hadn't met at the AO before the 09 final either and look what happened there despite Rafa's epic semi the DAY before. Unless Fed develops a double handed backhand he will always struggle to put Rafa away in 5 sets. The stats are there for everyone to see. This is not trashing Fed. It's just a simple reality of the situation.

barbadosan
07-22-2012, 10:37 AM
Why don't you guys leave Ash86 and Allez to go ahead in piece with their grand negative Fed scenarios for the USO - exactly the kind of arguments they were positing before Wimbledon

Ash86
07-22-2012, 10:40 AM
They hadn't met at the AO before the 09 final either and look what happened there despite Rafa's epic semi the DAY before. Unless Fed develops a double handed backhand he will always struggle to put Rafa away in 5 sets. The stats are there for everyone to see. This is not trashing Fed. It's just a simple reality of the situation.

Exactly. In best of 5, Federer last won in 2007 - it is a huge mountain for him. It's not like the surface at the US Open is bad for Nadal - his last 4 results - SF, SF, W, F. Fed's last 4 - W, F, SF, SF. Fed had match points last year but he also lost a 2 set lead - can't discount that. Best option for Fed is Murray in his half, and Nadal/Djoker destroy each other in the other semi. Fed can beat Nadal in best of 5 but let's not pretend many Fed fans would be confident that he would...

MTwEeZi
07-22-2012, 10:42 AM
A better question: How many more tournaments will Federer fall (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=12212279&postcount=34) in this year?

Allez
07-22-2012, 10:48 AM
Why don't you guys leave Ash86 and Allez to go ahead in piece with their grand negative Fed scenarios for the USO - exactly the kind of arguments they were positing before Wimbledon

How is saying Fed is one of the top 4 favourites for the USO being negative ? I have tried to back everything I have said with facts. Have you ?

Fed fordawin
07-22-2012, 10:51 AM
They hadn't met at the AO before the 09 final either and look what happened there despite Rafa's epic semi the DAY before. Unless Fed develops a double handed backhand he will always struggle to put Rafa away in 5 sets. The stats are there for everyone to see. This is not trashing Fed. It's just a simple reality of the situation.

Their rivalry is very surface-dependent. Look at what happens indoor. I say Fed will roast Nadal with ease if they are to meet at the USO. Nadal won't have time to prepare his passing shots there, the surface is too quick.

RForever
07-22-2012, 10:51 AM
How is saying Fed is one of the top 4 favourites for the USO being negative ? I have tried to back everything I have said with facts. Have you ?

Right...by comparing AO with USO :stupid:

Johnbert
07-22-2012, 10:54 AM
A better question: How many more tournaments will Federer fall (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=12212279&postcount=34) in this year?

double standards as usually from you. you're acting like you're the most objective here, but it's obvious you can't stand fed and just trolling.

examples?

Muger Mugerer and his clown era.

That was in 04. Right now he fluked it with a bunch of indoor chicken shit titles and cakewalk draws at the last 2 slams.

TigerTim
07-22-2012, 10:54 AM
Dumb thread is dumb.

RForever
07-22-2012, 10:56 AM
Dumb thread is dumb.

Thread is what posters make it...

TigerTim
07-22-2012, 11:04 AM
Thread is what posters make it...

Yes, like parasites they infect all threads.

MTwEeZi
07-22-2012, 12:00 PM
double standards as usually from you. you're acting like you're the most objective here, but it's obvious you can't stand fed and just trolling.

examples?

I see you are a fan of my work.

Whiznot
07-22-2012, 04:20 PM
I think Federer wins 4. It would be interesting to see Federer play Nadal at USO but Nadal will likely lose before the SF. Djokovic's USO chances depend heavily upon whether he regains form in Toronto and Cincy. Novak's movement, forehand and serve have not been close to the levels he reached in 2011.

Litotes
07-22-2012, 04:24 PM
double standards as usually from you. you're acting like you're the most objective here, but it's obvious you can't stand fed and just trolling.

examples?

What? I realize I am fairly new here, but I never would have guessed he was actually posing as objective. A totally lost cause from what I have seen, but I suppose he might have better things behind him than the last couple of month's offerings.

HKz
07-22-2012, 04:26 PM
I see you are a fan of my work.

I didn't know stupidity could be considered work. Then again, that is why you, Clay Fail, FailFK and the others go so deep into the ACC each year.

masterclass
07-22-2012, 09:11 PM
Everyone. Please keep the thread on topic! This is not a Federer-Nadal debate thread, or a Federer fall thread, etc. There are other threads for those things. Predict how many titles he will win the rest of the year and if you want to add which ones, fine.
If you think he'll win 0, or 1, or x, state which ones and why you think so, and leave other posters be.

But don't start getting in a debate with other posters that have posted their # of win opinions that are different from your own, or I'll ask the mods to start deleting off topic posts.

In other words, have the courage and class to post your own prediction without denigrating others. I hope that is clear.

Thanks.

Respectfully,
masterclass

swisht4u
07-22-2012, 09:50 PM
Fed should have his best chances at WB and USO.

Actually till he won at Wimbledon this year it didn't look like he could win there again.

Since he cut down errors and has the BH working he should have chances everywhere.

The important thing is being ready for the chances when they show up, it's paid off before and may again.

Fed might add another 2 or 4 to his totals, Nadal has trouble playing top level tennis the whole year and so does Djokovic.
Opportunities will be there.

Honestly
07-22-2012, 10:18 PM
Never in doubt that Nadulltards like Insectus comes into a Fedthread and hijack it, just like they ruined my last thread. Unbelievable that this is even allowed.

Looner
07-22-2012, 10:23 PM
In my prediction I said 2. I think I'll be a bit more optimistic and go for 3.

My preference (in order) - USO, Olympics, WTF, Cincy, Basel, Paris, others

What I think Roger's best chances are - Basel, Olympics/Cincy, WTF, USO, Paris, others.

So I don't see USO as extremely likely purely because of Stupid Saturday and a possible clash against RN. If the draw opens up for him, maybe then yes. Still, highly unlikely. It's a tough slam to win physically.

Basel we all know and he's been extremely successful at Cincy. WTF is also a good chance despite the level of competition.

Honestly
07-22-2012, 10:35 PM
In my prediction I said 2. I think I'll be a bit more optimistic and go for 3.

My preference (in order) - USO, Olympics, WTF, Cincy, Basel, Paris, others

What I think Roger's best chances are - Basel, Olympics/Cincy, WTF, USO, Paris, others.

So I don't see USO as extremely likely purely because of Stupid Saturday and a possible clash against RN. If the draw opens up for him, maybe then yes. Still, highly unlikely. It's a tough slam to win physically.

Basel we all know and he's been extremely successful at Cincy. WTF is also a good chance despite the level of competition.

I think we can afford to be a little more optimistic than this General. He wants to win the USO more than anything after what happened the last 3 years there. I doubt Nadal will be a big factor there after his injury. And he could end up in Djokers draw anyway. I think with winning Wimby a lot of pressure came off Roger's shoulders and he will be relaxed and confident at the USO. He wants to set his own slam record by winning 6 there. Djokovic will be his main opposition there and I'd like to see a Djokerer final. Murray will also be a factor. Roger seems to have Delpo under control. I think it's fair to call him the favorite here General after what he did to Djoke at Wimby. As for the other events I think he can easily win 4 in total. He will have chances at all of them. It will just be a question of his body holding up. I think he wins the OG, Cincy, USO, Basel, and WTF. Boom.

Looner
07-22-2012, 10:37 PM
I agree we can be a bit more optimistic but you have to remember our old man is (will be) 31 years old and he has played a lot of tennis which might catch up with him. He will also have to fly to Holland for a Davis Cup tie after the USO, so that can't be that helpful. I prefer to keep it real and somewhat neutral but I see where you're coming from. It's been quite unpredictable this tennis season.

BTW, if Roger were to win the USO, he will become the record holder of titles for 2 out of big 5 events in tennis - WTF and USO and be tied for 1st in the AO and Wimbledon. Incredible.

Honestly
07-22-2012, 10:51 PM
I agree we can be a bit more optimistic but you have to remember our old man is (will be) 31 years old and he has played a lot of tennis which might catch up with him. He will also have to fly to Holland for a Davis Cup tie after the USO, so that can't be that helpful. I prefer to keep it real and somewhat neutral but I see where you're coming from. It's been quite unpredictable this tennis season.

BTW, if Roger were to win the USO, he will become the record holder of titles for 2 out of big 5 events in tennis - WTF and USO and be tied for 1st in the AO and Wimbledon. Incredible.

Yes, that is incredible. Well I like your sense of realism and I forgot about the DC tie. But at least it's on his way to Europe and not out of the way. If we look at how this season unfolded it hasn't been inconsitent from Roger's standpoint. In fact he has been a model of consistency. The US hard court and indoor seasons are his favorite part of the season and given the wave of confidence he is riding I don't see him slowing down. When you are confident tiredness doesn't mean much. It's only when you are low on confidence that you feel the aches and pains. I think he wins a minimum of 4 events towards the end of the year General.

Looner
07-22-2012, 11:05 PM
Well, let's hope you're right :yeah:.

TigerTim
07-22-2012, 11:06 PM
less than Tommy Haas

jackjill888
07-23-2012, 01:13 AM
I want only 2 more - olympics gold and uso. Hell even the uso alone will be enough for me.

But what I want does not matter. So I predict he will win all 8 remaining. Mark my words.

Honestly
07-23-2012, 01:17 AM
I want only 2 more - olympics gold and uso ...even the uso alone will be enough for me

But what I want does not matter. So I predict he will win all 8 remaining. Mark my words.

:worship:

jackjill888
07-23-2012, 01:42 AM
:worship:

:worship:

TennisGrandSlam
07-23-2012, 01:44 AM
4 titles FED wants : Olympics, USO, Basel, Year-End Tournment

But actually, USO is enough!

Anyway, I hope that Federer will surpass McEnroe's 77 ATP Singles titles and 875 wins this year!

Honestly
07-23-2012, 01:54 AM
:worship:

:worship:

jackjill888
07-23-2012, 02:18 AM
:kiss: o stop it now honestly :haha::bowdown:

Sunset of Age
07-23-2012, 02:23 AM
Perhaps nothing more and I wouldn't care less as the guy has already massively extended the best of my wishes/expectations. He's got nothing left to prove.