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Tipsarevic, Simon, and Almagro- who is the best?

Orange Wombat
07-17-2012, 11:23 PM
Who is the best? Who has the most talent/potential? Who has had the best career? Who do you think will end up with the best career?

mike s.
07-18-2012, 12:24 AM
Tipsarevic has 3 career titles, all 250's and has reached a career high of number 8. Best result in majors is 1 QF and 3 other fourth rounds. Best result at masters series is 2 semis and 2 quarters. Career record of 224-178 (.557), Slams 37-34 (.521), Masters Series 36-35 (.507), and against top 10 is 14-36 (.280).

Simon has 10 career titles, including 1 500 event and has a career high of number 6. Best result in majors is QF and three other fourth rounds. Best result at masters series is 1 final, 2 semis, and five quarters. Career record of 253-174 (.593), Slams 39-26 (.600), Masters Series 66-51 (.564) and vs. top 10 17-41 (.293)

Almagro has 12 career titles, including 2 500 titles at Acapulco and has a career high of number 9. He has made 3 QF at majors and 3 other fourth rounds. He has made 1 SF and 7 other quarters at masters events. He has a career record of 276-181 (.604), Slams 44-32 (.579), Masters Series 58-52 (.527), and top 10 13-42 (.236).

Based on this, Tipsarevic is clearly the least accomplished player so it's between Almagro and Simon. Almagro is excellent on clay so he has a lot of 250 clay titles and three QF's at the French but his overall record at Slams, Masters Series, and against the top 10 are worse than Simon and he has a lower career high. It's close but I'd give a slight edge to Gilles as having the best career so far because he's had success on all surfaces including a F at an indoors masters event, SF on clay masters, and QF at a hardcourt major. Almagro has a sub .500 record on all surfaces other than clay.

I don't see this order changing very much, they're all around the same age and all playing at around the same level currently so I think Gilles will end up with the best career.

As for who has the most talent/potential, probably Tipsarevic purely from his strokes but mental strength is also a key aspect of being a tennis player and he's struggled at times in his career with this aspect.

Chase Visa
07-18-2012, 12:27 AM
Gilles is marginally the better player but Tipsy has more upside.

Edda
07-18-2012, 12:30 AM
Until he shot off his big mouth, Simon was the only one of these three I could tolerate.

Federer in 2
07-18-2012, 12:32 AM
Tipsarevic :p

Mark Lenders
07-18-2012, 12:46 AM
More talented - Tipsy

Better career so far - Almagro

Bad Religion
07-18-2012, 12:54 AM
Mugro has RG Finalist potential, whereas I don´t see the other two mugs doing something big like that.
In regards to talent, Mugro is also superior.

misty1
07-18-2012, 12:59 AM
its a close contest but i think gilles edges the other 2.

mike s.
07-18-2012, 01:00 AM
You think Almagro has RG finalist potential? He hasn't even made a masters final on clay.

BroTree123
07-18-2012, 01:01 AM
Simon. It's just too bad he's a disgusting pushing clown.

uxyzapenje
07-18-2012, 01:05 AM
Tipsarevic has also Davis Cup and 2 World Team Championships (IMO that should count, for example this year in WTC he won all his matches and beat Kohli and Berdych, same as Stuttgart when he beat Monaco and Bellucci, but the other 1 counts, the 1st one doesn't). That said, Mugro and Simon still have more titles and better career overall, but Tipsy could catch up with 1 or 2 big results.

Current level: Tipsy>Mugro>Simon
Better career: Simon>Mugro>Tipsy
Talent: Tipsy>Mugro>Simon

misty1
07-18-2012, 01:12 AM
now that tipsy is playing so well he could definately overtake them both because in terms of raw talent he is the most talented of the 3.

Matt01
07-18-2012, 01:12 AM
As long as he doesn't open his mouth, it's Simon. Has best game of these three as well.

mooncreek
07-18-2012, 01:35 AM
If the question is career, I'd say Simon. He does have a Masters final.

Tipsarevic is the one most likely to improve his career standing. Due to Davis Cup, he has the lasting legacy that the other two don't have.

Almagro easily sweeps up these weak 250 and 500 clay events. He'd be even better at that if he ever figures out a way to beat Ferrer (it doesn't seem right for anyone to be David's pigeon).

nole_no1
07-18-2012, 01:37 AM
Tipsarevic is the best and has the most weapons. Simon is boring as hell and Almagro is a very redutable player on clay but outside of it he's not that good

cutesteve22
07-18-2012, 03:46 AM
Almugro, has more title, does better on slam.
Gilles is too awful at slams

SelvenluvJo
07-18-2012, 04:31 AM
Janko has the best entertainment game, Gilles is also fun to watch. Almagro has nothing IMO.

The Prince
07-18-2012, 05:00 AM
What's this bullshit about Gilles 'opening his mouth'? We live in a society now, where we can voice our opinions, and should do without the fear of being judged based on it. Gilles did that, and I respect that, especially as what he said was spot on about WTA being inferior.

Gilles is the best player as well. Tipsarevic second and Almagro a distant third.

nellis_lv
07-18-2012, 05:02 AM
C-Mon. His record speaks for itself.

Tipsy wouldn't even be ranked where he is if Novak didn't tank a couple matches for him.

MuzzahLovah
07-18-2012, 05:08 AM
Simon Obv. Once he gets his head out of his ass and stops slumpig he should be ranked above both of these guys.

duong
07-18-2012, 09:42 AM
If the question is about the best level of their carreer, I think Simon, although he's not my favorite one. Tipsarevic second. That's actually what I've got if I compare the highest number of ATP points they got in their carreer (keeping the old ranking system).

But Almagro has improved in the recent years and can still improve, although his movement will probably always hamper him in a sport which depends more and more on legs.

If the question is about the overall carreer, Tipsarevic is after Almagro because he has underachieved for long.

My favorite one to watch is Almagro ahead of Tipsarevic ahead of Simon, opposite of who I think is the best.

duong
07-18-2012, 09:47 AM
You think Almagro has RG finalist potential? He hasn't even made a masters final on clay.

he can be claimed as being the one who pushed most Nadal in two Roland-Garros (2010 and 2012) after Djokovic.

Who knows what will happen if Nadal and Ferrer decline (and Fed, obviously) ?

There have been worse Roland-Garros finalists.

Chris Kuerten
07-18-2012, 10:04 AM
Peak Simon > Peak Tipsarevic > Peak Almagro

Time Violation
07-18-2012, 10:15 AM
he can be claimed as being the one who pushed most Nadal in two Roland-Garros (2010 and 2012) after Djokovic.

Who knows what will happen if Nadal and Ferrer decline (and Fed, obviously) ?



Almagro is 27, he's not getting younger either :)

duong
07-18-2012, 10:41 AM
Almagro is 27, he's not getting younger either :)

the problem as you know is that youngsters are bad then the players who are currently around that age may have great opportunities in the future.

Besides, Almagro has rather improved in recent years, which is a good sign.

Time Violation
07-18-2012, 11:20 AM
the problem as you know is that youngsters are bad then the players who are currently around that age may have great opportunities in the future.

Besides, Almagro has rather improved in recent years, which is a good sign.

I didn't mean yongsters, if Nadal & co will decline, so will he, Nadal is even younger :)

duong
07-18-2012, 11:32 AM
I didn't mean yongsters, if Nadal & co will decline, so will he, Nadal is even younger :)

there's nothing automatic : compare Ferrer and Roddick, who are the same age, or Federer and Hewitt.

Almagro is the same age as Baghdatis but has improved in recent years, opposite to Baghdatis. He's also the same age as Wawrinka, but has also improved more than Wawrinka in recent years.

This year is the best year for Tipsarevic, Monaco and Seppi who are one year older than Almagro. Then why not Almagro in one or two years ?

But it's the worst one for Söderling who has the same age :p ... and even worse for Ancic who has retired for a while :sad:

And yes Nadal is still young ... but I think he will get old less well than Djokovic for instance. Already he has to make very painful PRP treatments every 3 months.

I spoke about youngsters (I mean the bad generations between 1988 and at least 1994), because the results you achieve depend on the competition, and I meant that in next years, I can see that level declining and I think it's a very good sign for players from these generations 85-87 who will manage to stay very good at a relatively old age.

romismak
07-18-2012, 12:44 PM
this is close, best right now is Tipsy, but career wise Simon had the best career so far with highest career ranking and also Simon played Masters 1000 F.

Almagro had great career but he is limited to clay, all of his 250s are on clay, yes he won 2x500 but again clay.

Tipsy is most talented, who knows how good career he could have had if he played few years ago like this last 1 year- he is now solid top 10 and it looks like he is not going to out of top 10 so soon.

Simon accomplished most also has biggest wins - he has defeated Federer, Nadal, Masters 1000 F and highest career high ranking.

duong
07-18-2012, 12:48 PM
About Almagro being an "only claycourt player",

in the last 3 calendar years, Almagro has played 4 MS1000 quarterfinals : 3 of them were on (rather slow) hardcourts : Miami 2010-Canada 2011-Indian Wells 2012. He defeated Berdych in the last one.

He reached R16 of the Australian open all of these 3 years (played a very tight match against Berdych in the last one)

In the same period, Simon has also played 3 MS1000 quarterfinals on hardcourts and only one R16.

In these 3 years, Tipsarevic has only played 2 MS1000 quarterfinals on hardcourts and one R16 of a grand slam on hardcourts (last year's US Open where he played great against Djokovic).

To summarize in 2010-2011-2012 on hardcourts :

Almagro 3 MS1000 QF and 3 GS R16 >
Simon 3 MS1000 QF and 1 GS R16 >
Tipsarevic 2 MS1000 QF and 1 GS R16

The Prince
07-18-2012, 02:24 PM
About Almagro being an "only claycourt player",

in the last 3 calendar years, Almagro has played 4 MS1000 quarterfinals : 3 of them were on (rather slow) hardcourts : Miami 2010-Canada 2011-Indian Wells 2012. He defeated Berdych in the last one.

He reached R16 of the Australian open all of these 3 years (played a very tight match against Berdych in the last one)

In the same period, Simon has also played 3 MS1000 quarterfinals on hardcourts and only one R16.

In these 3 years, Tipsarevic has only played 2 MS1000 quarterfinals on hardcourts and one R16 of a grand slam on hardcourts (last year's US Open where he played great against Djokovic).

To summarize in 2010-2011-2012 on hardcourts :

Almagro 3 MS1000 QF and 3 GS R16 >
Simon 3 MS1000 QF and 1 GS R16 >
Tipsarevic 2 MS1000 QF and 1 GS R16

That's a very particular, and suitable set of statistics to suit your argument. The truth is, you are correct, Almagro has a better 'big' match record on hard-courts in the last few years than the other two. Though he also is considerable the most 'upset-able' of the three on hard-courts.

Statistics are great, and always very good, but when you have an open-ended question like this, different statistics that are drawn out will lead to different responses.

duong
07-18-2012, 03:05 PM
Though he also is considerable the most 'upset-able' of the three on hard-courts.

are you sure of that ?

Almagro's last 7 GS and Ms1000 tournaments on outdoor hardcourts :

Canada 2011 QF (Tsonga, who then defeated Federer)
Cinci 2011 R16 (Berdych, who then defeated Federer)
US Open 2011 first round : only early loss (to Benneteau, who's not a mug imo)
Shanghai 2011 R16 (Roddick)
Australian Open 2012 R16 (lost 4-6 7-6 7-6 7-6 to Berdych)
Indian Wells 2012 QF (Djokovic)
Miami 2012 R16 (Fish)

Simon lost in first round in Canada (to Petzschner) and in 2nd round in the Australian open (to Benneteau again :lol: ).

Tipsarevic lost in R32 in Indian Wells (to Nalbandian), Cinci (to Simon) and the Australian Open (to Gasquet), and in first round in Shanghai (to Lopez).

I mean I'm very aware of the drawbacks of statistics as it's my job, but I also know that facts/stats/numbers can be good to go against prejudice and I see conclusions made on MTF on much fewer results than that :lol:

Matt01
07-18-2012, 10:40 PM
What's this bullshit about Gilles 'opening his mouth'? We live in a society now, where we can voice our opinions, and should do without the fear of being judged based on it. Gilles did that, and I respect that, especially as what he said was spot on about WTA being inferior.


He can open his mouth as often as he wants but I'm also allowed to expose his arguments (on something that doesn't concern him directly anything) as irrational and as crap. But this topic has already been discussed so I will leave it at that.

Oh, I was rooting for Simon against Haas today :bigwave:

Kiedis
07-18-2012, 10:46 PM
Nico is a legend. You are insulting him badly with this comparison.

Orka_n
07-18-2012, 11:06 PM
Dunno who is the best. Tipsy has the nicest game to watch though.

Simon is okay when he remembers to change up the pace with his forehand mid-rally as a surprise attack.

Mugro is just an eyesore.

Absolute Anthropoid
07-18-2012, 11:26 PM
1. Almagro
2. Tipsarevic
3. Simon

If Tipsarevic wasn't so mentally fragile he would be ahead. Not saying Almagro is some sort of mental giant (he is a bit of a choker himself) but you can never rest easy when Tipsy has a lead.

Alex999
07-19-2012, 12:43 AM
Tipsy is so much more fun to watch than both Almagro and Simon. I don't really care 'who is the best'. Janko is the best atm. On the other hand, it's too bad that Janko simply hasn't taken tennis too seriously for a long time, fuck!ng around for years, being ranked 30-50 etc.

leng jai
07-19-2012, 04:47 AM
Tipsy's fun to watch game is cancelled out by his spectacles and obnoxious grunt.

abraxas21
07-19-2012, 04:55 AM
almagro

abraxas21
07-19-2012, 04:57 AM
Peak Simon > Peak Tipsarevic > Peak Almagro

it's the other way around

motorhead
07-19-2012, 04:58 AM
I would say Tipsy but on clay there's really no contest. Almagro owns him big time.

abraxas21
07-19-2012, 04:59 AM
Tipsy's fun to watch game is cancelled out by his spectacles and obnoxious grunt.

and douchey tattoes

SerialKillerToBe
07-19-2012, 07:27 AM
Simon at his best is in my opinion a world beater. His match against Nadal at Madrid showcases that. Sadly, he spends most of his matches mindlessly pushing.

Time Violation
07-19-2012, 08:37 AM
Tipsy's fun to watch game is cancelled out by his spectacles and obnoxious grunt.

That's prescription spectacles, not something he can do without. :)