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Top 35 records/achievements of the Open Era (My list)

Federer in 2
07-17-2012, 06:47 PM
Inspired by Johnny's list :p
I've made a list of what I consider to be the most remarkable 35 records and achievements of Tennis players in the Open Era. It's a little hard to explain how I've ranked them, but this is pretty much personal opinion.
If you don't like it...Well, so what? :nerner:

35. Winning streak of 66 matches on carpet.
Held by Ivan Lendl

34. Reaching 8 consecutive US Open finals.
Held by Ivan Lendl

33. Winning streak of 65 matches on grass.
Held by Roger Federer

32. Winning streak of 56 matches on hard court.
Held by Roger Federer

31. Winning streak of 46 matches.
Held by Guillermo Vilas

30. Winning at least one title for 14 consecutive years.
Held by Ivan Lendl

29. Winning streak of 81 matches on clay.
Held by Rafael Nadal

28. Winning 5 Masters titles in one season.
Held by Novak Djokovic

27. Having a 96.47 winning percentage in one season.
Held by John McEnroe

26. Winning at least 10 titles on each of the 3 surfaces: Hard court, grass and clay.
Held by Roger Federer

25. Winning 24 finals in a row.
Held by Roger Federer

24. Having a 93.29% winning percentage on clay.
Held by Rafael Nadal

23. Winning the same Masters tournament (Monte Carlo) 8 consecutive times.
Held by Rafael Nadal

22. Reaching 36 consecutive Grand Slam quarter finals.
Held by Roger Federer

21. A total of 109 career titles.
Held by Jimmy Connors

20. Winning 6 World Tour Finals/Year End Championship titles (and counting).
Held by Roger Federer

19. Winning 4 Australian Open titles.
Held by Andre Agassi, Roger Federer (still counting), Novak Djokovic (still counting, including 3 straight and also still counting)

18. Reaching the finals of all 4 slams in 3 different years.
Held by Roger Federer

17. Having an 83.36% career winning percentage.
Held by Rafael Nadal

16. Winning 5 US Open titles.
Held by Jimmy Connors, Pete Sampras, Roger Federer (still counting)

15. Winning a Career Golden Grand Slam
Held by Andre Agassi, Rafael Nadal

14. Reaching 23 consecutive Grand Slam semi finals.
Held by Roger Federer

13. Winning 24 Masters titles (and counting)
Held by Rafael Nadal

12. Making 18 finals out of 19 Grand Slam tournaments, 10 of them being consecutive.
Held by Roger Federer

11. Holding the World #1 ranking for a total of 287 weeks (and counting).
Held by Roger Federer

10. Winning at least one Grand Slam for 9 consecutive years.
Held by Rafael Nadal (still counting)

9. Winning 3 consecutive RG-Wimby doubles (while winning each at least 5 times overall).
Held by Bjorn Borg

8. Winning all 4 Grand Slams in one year (Calendar Year Grand Slam).
Held by Rod Laver

7. Winning 3 out of 4 Grand Slams in 3 different years.
Held by Roger Federer

6. Six consecutive years as year-end World #1.
Held by Pete Sampras

5. Winning 7 Wimbledon titles.
Held by Pete Sampras, Roger Federer (still counting, including 5 straight)

4. Winning 8 French Open titles (and counting) including twice 4 straight (currently 4 and counting), and a 59-1 match record.
Held by Rafael Nadal

3. Holding the World #1 ranking for 237 consecutive weeks.
Held by Roger Federer

2. Winning 17 Grand Slam titles (and counting).
Held by Roger Federer

1. Winning 5 consecutive titles in two different Grand Slams.
Held by Roger Federer

rocketassist
07-17-2012, 07:00 PM
regarding 24, he skipped Monte Carlo so he didn't win five in a row.

duarte_a
07-17-2012, 07:05 PM
regarding 24, he skipped Monte Carlo so he didn't win five in a row.

Maybe he was refering to mandatory masters.

DrJules
07-17-2012, 07:28 PM
Top achievement should be the 17 GS titles.

Mark Lenders
07-17-2012, 07:36 PM
Top achievement should be 23 consecutive semis. That one just beggars belief, it's the only one I can't possibly imagine getting broken in my lifetime.

Federer in 2
07-17-2012, 07:47 PM
Top achievement should be 23 consecutive semis. That one just beggars belief, it's the only one I can't possibly imagine getting broken in my lifetime.

I can understand that...This is truly amazing. But I don't know, seems weird to place it ahead of records about consecutive Slam titles. To be honest, Isner's record of 100 and something aces in one match is also very unlikely to be broken, but it's just not the same.

DrJules
07-17-2012, 08:05 PM
I wonder which records the players would wish to hold.

Johnbert
07-17-2012, 08:10 PM
Top achievement should be 23 consecutive semis. That one just beggars belief, it's the only one I can't possibly imagine getting broken in my lifetime.

absolutely this. imo this record is the most impressive. this record is just insane.

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
07-17-2012, 08:14 PM
you gotta put laver's higher up man

even in this homogenized era no one can do it

the 23 SFs is one of those stats that the average tennis fan won be instantly impressed with but any tennis pro is blown away by- (just playing 23 slams straight is legendary in itself)

nadal hasnt even played 14 consecutive slams!!!!

ServeVolley
07-17-2012, 08:28 PM
you gotta put laver's higher up man

even in this homogenized era no one can do it

the 23 SFs is one of those stats that the average tennis fan won be instantly impressed with but any tennis pro is blown away by- (just playing 23 slams straight is legendary in itself)

nadal hasnt even played 14 consecutive slams!!!!

3 surfaces (hard, clay, grass, hard) > 2 surfaces (grass, clay, grass, grass) :shrug:

Fireballer
07-17-2012, 08:41 PM
Djoker's streak is more impressive than Vilas's

Arakasi
07-17-2012, 08:47 PM
18/19 finals should be there. Much more impressive than the semifinal streak.

Ibracadabra
07-17-2012, 08:55 PM
Djoker's streak is more impressive than Vilas's

Negative, his legitimate streak is actually 74.

ServeVolley
07-17-2012, 08:58 PM
18/19 finals should be there. Much more impressive than the semifinal streak.

This^. Also, I think Fed's two surface winning streaks should be in the list somewhere as well. He holds the record for most consecutive wins on grass (65), and most consecutive wins on hard (56).

Federer in 2
07-17-2012, 09:08 PM
18/19 finals should be there. Much more impressive than the semifinal streak.

True. I'll update soon. I missed it because it's not a consecutive record, thanks to a certain Serbian character :)

you gotta put laver's higher up man

even in this homogenized era no one can do it

the 23 SFs is one of those stats that the average tennis fan won be instantly impressed with but any tennis pro is blown away by- (just playing 23 slams straight is legendary in itself)

nadal hasnt even played 14 consecutive slams!!!!

If anything, the CYGS is overrated IMO. You might think I say so because Federer doesn't have it, but I do think that winning 2-3 Slams for many years (like Fed) or being the undisputed king of a surface for your entire career (like Rafa) is more impressive than having one brilliant season.

Djoker's streak is more impressive than Vilas's

Why?
And btw, Even if there is more than one great streak, I don't put two achievements from exactly the same 'category' in the list. For example, Fed's 20 Masters aren't up there, even though they are close to Nadal's 21.

This^. Also, I think Fed's two surface winning streaks should be in the list somewhere as well. He holds the record for most consecutive wins on grass (65), and most consecutive wins on hard (56).

Perhaps, although Nadal's streak on clay (81) is more impressive then both of those two. I'll consider it.

ServeVolley
07-17-2012, 09:13 PM
Perhaps, although Nadal's streak on clay (81) is more impressive then both of those two. I'll consider it.

As an individual record, yes (it ought to be up there as well), but I think holding the record for longest streak on two different surfaces is more impressive overall than Nadal's 81-streak on clay.

Litotes
07-17-2012, 09:13 PM
True. I'll update soon. I missed it because it's not a consecutive record, thanks to a certain Serbian character :)


The consecutive record of 10 straight finals would also merit a top 25 listing if I were to make a list myself. That one is not going to get broken soon.

Lurking
07-17-2012, 10:33 PM
9. Winning at least one Grand Slams for 8 consecutive years.
Held by Bjorn Borg, Pete Sampras, Roger Federer, Rafael Nadal (still counting)


If Nadal fails to win a Slam next year that's going to #1.

GSMnadal
07-17-2012, 10:40 PM
It's a little hard to explain how I've ranked them

No it's not :lol:

'Does it contain Roger -> ZOMFG what a record! To #1, #2 and #3!'

'Grand slam, this guy called Laver? meh, I'm not impressed, to #8'




As for the rest of the list, it's not that bad actually.

Nole Rules
07-17-2012, 10:48 PM
No it's not :lol:

'Does it contain Roger -> ZOMFG what a record! To #1, #2 and #3!'

'Grand slam, this guy called Laver? meh, I'm not impressed, to #8'




As for the rest of the list, it's not that bad actually.

:lol:

I can't good rep you unfortunetly.

pray-for-palestine-and-israel
07-17-2012, 10:53 PM
i would rate federer's 65on hard above nadals 81 on clay

now this is the reason why- i respect the heck out of what rafa did- i dont think anyone will ever win 81 straight on clay ever again

but- this era has sucked for clay court specialists (feel free to disagree- but if you do disagree name 5 clay court specialists in this era)
this is maybe the greatest hard court era of all time- everyone is a HC specialist- but especially nole fed murray- these guys are approaching all time great levels on HC

i dont buy the "laver only play on grass for hs CGS"

here's what else he wo in 69

philli CARPET
south african open HARD
madison square garden INDOOR
BBC2 world pros INDOOR
US pros UNI TURF
texas HARD

so yeah---- even in 1969 rod showed he would have been fine on any surface type

Federer in 2
07-17-2012, 10:53 PM
No it's not :lol:

'Does it contain Roger -> ZOMFG what a record! To #1, #2 and #3!'

'Grand slam, this guy called Laver? meh, I'm not impressed, to #8'




As for the rest of the list, it's not that bad actually.

Expected opinion from you, but oh well.
Let's start by saying this is a list about the Open Era, which means Laver has only one CYGS. This is a wonderful achievement, but Laver is not considered one of the all time great JUST because of that. He has other accomplishments, but this is the biggest one.
While getting pissed about Fed's records being ranked higher that Laver's, I'm afraid you missed #4, Rafa's 7 French Opens. Maybe you will agree that winning 7 Slams while losing only one match is a greater achievement than winning 4 Slams (3 on grass), even though it was in one year. Who says Laver's undisputed brilliance in 1969 is better than Rafa's dominance on clay for almost a decade?

As for Federer's top 3:

#3 - His icon record of 17 Grand Slams. A lot of people might expect it to be #1, but this is not as unbreakable as the top 2.

#2 - Just as well as #1, I don't see this record getting broken during my lifetime. More than 4 years at World Number 1 without a break? Nobody is getting near this anytime soon.

#1 - INSANE record, and no additional explanation needed. Every Tennis fan who will take a minute to think about this achievement will realize that this is by far Federer's most unbreakable record.

MrChopin
07-17-2012, 10:53 PM
:lol:

I can't good rep you unfortunetly.

I can good rep you...

Federer in 2
07-17-2012, 11:15 PM
Will be updated today or tomorrow morning with some of the records that you guys mentioned. The list will possibly be extended to 30-35 records, we'll see.

Snowwy
07-17-2012, 11:25 PM
Really good list.

Federer in 2
07-17-2012, 11:29 PM
Really good list.

:hatoff:

abraxas21
07-17-2012, 11:37 PM
8. Winning all 4 Grand Slams in one year (Calendar Year Grand Slam).
Held by Rod Laver

8??????????

abraxas21
07-17-2012, 11:39 PM
overall can't take the list seriously when fed/nad/djok are in 19/26 categories.

Federer in 2
07-17-2012, 11:50 PM
8??????????

Yes, 8.

Freak3yman84
07-17-2012, 11:57 PM
I'm so sorry, but.... why 26????

Federer in 2
07-18-2012, 12:02 AM
I'm so sorry, but.... why 26????

I started listing different records, at first in no particular order.
Then I decided to stop at 25 and wanted to rank them and post to MTF. While typing, I realized that I missed the record that is now on #16. Didn't wanna give up on the last one, so there you have it - 26.
Will probably get larger tomorrow though.

mark73
07-18-2012, 12:12 AM
Inspired by Johnny's list :p
I've made a list of what I consider to be the most remarkable 26 records and achievements of Tennis players in the Open Era. It's a little hard to explain how I've ranked them, but this is pretty much personal opinion.
If you don't like it...Well, so what? :nerner:

26. Winning streak of 46 matches.
Held by Guillermo Vilas

25. Winning at least one title for 14 consecutive years.
Held by Ivan Lendl

24. Winning 5 (consecutive) Masters titles in one season.
Held by Novak Djokovic

23. Having a 96.47 winning percentage in one season.
Held by John McEnroe

22. Having a 93.04% winning percentage on clay.
Held by Rafael Nadal

21. Winning the same Masters tournament (Monte Carlo) 8 consecutive times (and counting).
Held by Rafael Nadal

20. Reaching 33 consecutive Grand Slam quarter finals (and counting).
Held by Roger Federer

19. A total of 109 career titles.
Held by Jimmy Connors

18. Winning 6 World Tour Finals/Year End Championship titles (and counting).
Held by Roger Federer

17. Winning 4 Australian Open titles.
Held by Andre Agassi, Roger Federer (still counting)

16. Reaching the finals of all 4 slams in 3 different years.
Held by Roger Federer

15. Having an 82.72% career winning percentage.
Held by Bjorn Borg

14. Winning 5 US Open titles.
Held by Jimmy Connors, Pete Sampras, Roger Federer(still counting)

13. Winning a Career Golden Grand Slam
Held by Andre Agassi, Rafael Nadal

12. Winning 21 Masters titles (and counting)
Held by Rafael Nadal

11. Reaching 23 consecutive Grand Slam semi finals.
Held by Roger Federer

10. Holding the World #1 ranking for a total of 287 weeks (and counting).
Held by Roger Federer

9. Winning at least one Grand Slams for 8 consecutive years.
Held by Bjorn Borg, Pete Sampras, Roger Federer, Rafael Nadal (still counting)

8. Winning all 4 Grand Slams in one year (Calendar Year Grand Slam).
Held by Rod Laver

7. Winning 3 out of 4 Grand Slams in 3 different years.
Held by Roger Federer

6. Six consecutive years as year-end World #1.
Held by Pete Sampras

5. Winning 7 Wimbledon titles.
Held by Pete Sampras, Roger Federer (still counting, including 5 straight)

4. Winning 7 French Open titles (and counting) including 4 straight (currently 3 and counting), and a 52-1 match record.
Held by Rafael Nadal

3. Winning 17 Grand Slam titles (and counting).
Held by Roger Federer

2. Holding the World #1 ranking for 237 consecutive weeks.
Held by Roger Federer

1. Winning 5 consecutive titles in two different Grand Slams.
Held by Roger Federer

Not enough Roger Federer. :mad:

Federer in 2
07-18-2012, 12:14 AM
Not enough Roger Federer. :mad:

Not my fault, actually. Talk to tech support.

Roamed
07-18-2012, 12:19 AM
Fed's 65 straight wins on grass is impressive and underrated in my opinion, not in terms of numbers but because it's 5 whole years undefeated on a surface.

Edda
07-18-2012, 12:20 AM
Great records, great players.

mark73
07-18-2012, 12:22 AM
Not my fault, actually. Talk to tech support.

Ok a serious comment, my first one in over a year.
Lendl's 8 u.s open finals in a row.

Federer in 2
07-18-2012, 12:25 AM
Fed's 65 straight wins on grass is impressive and underrated in my opinion, not in terms of numbers but because it's 5 whole years undefeated on a surface.

I don't think the number of years should be taken into account in this record. The grass season is short, so while 65 wins on grass can go on for 5 years, it takes about one year on HC. So the more wins, the more impressive the record is. That's why I put Nadal's 81 above Federer's streaks.

But as I said, those streaks on each surface will be updated tomorrow :)

atennisfan
07-18-2012, 12:26 AM
Top achievement should be 23 consecutive semis. That one just beggars belief, it's the only one I can't possibly imagine getting broken in my lifetime.


I concur.
This one, followed closely by consecutive QF slams.

With so many factors, from injury, off-days, not good enough on a particular type court, etc etc, this consecutive semis and QF slams records are just unbelievable that I don't think will be broken in my lifetime.

Federer in 2
07-18-2012, 12:29 AM
Ok a serious comment, my first one in over a year.
Lendl's 8 u.s open finals in a row.

Good point, didn't think about this. Will probably add it as well.
Not going into top 20, though.

jonas
07-18-2012, 04:38 AM
Fed's 65 straight wins on grass is impressive and underrated in my opinion, not in terms of numbers but because it's 5 whole years undefeated on a surface.

Borg was undefeated on grass as well 1976-1980.
Also, to not include Borg's 5+ titles at Wimbledon AND Roland Garros is ridiculous.
That combo is insanely hard, especially in those days.
No one but Borg is, still, even close to that record.

LeChuck
07-18-2012, 06:33 AM
I agree that Borg's 3 consecutive RG-Wimbledon doubles from 1978-1981 should be on there. That was an amazing achievement when the clay and grass surfaces were so much more polarised, and players had to drastically adapt their games to win them both.

At RG he had so many 50-60 shot rallies, while at Wimbledon he serve-volleyed most of the time on his 1st serves.

With Laver's 1969, it's amazing that he won the biggest tournaments on all surfaces that year, grass (Australian Open, Wimbledon and US Open), clay (Roland Garros), hard courts (Johannesburg and Boston) and carpet (Philadelphia and Wembley). Yes contrary to the popular myth he had an excellent record on hard courts and carpet during his career as well as on grass and clay.

In the open era no-one else has had such impressive versatility and won the biggest tournaments on all surfaces in one year.

Federer in 2
07-18-2012, 09:56 AM
Borg was undefeated on grass as well 1976-1980.
Also, to not include Borg's 5+ titles at Wimbledon AND Roland Garros is ridiculous.
That combo is insanely hard, especially in those days.
No one but Borg is, still, even close to that record.

He is the only one to achieve that, so I definitely agree. Will be included.

I agree that Borg's 3 consecutive RG-Wimbledon doubles from 1978-1981 should be on there. That was an amazing achievement when the clay and grass surfaces were so much more polarised, and players had to drastically adapt their games to win them both.

At RG he had so many 50-60 shot rallies, while at Wimbledon he serve-volleyed most of the time on his 1st serves.

With Laver's 1969, it's amazing that he won the biggest tournaments on all surfaces that year, grass (Australian Open, Wimbledon and US Open), clay (Roland Garros), hard courts (Johannesburg and Boston) and carpet (Philadelphia and Wembley). Yes contrary to the popular myth he had an excellent record on hard courts and carpet during his career as well as on grass and clay.

In the open era no-one else has had such impressive versatility and won the biggest tournaments on all surfaces in one year.

As I said, I'll include Borg.
About Laver, don't miss the point of the thread : Every record stands for itself, and doesn't have anything to do with the general greatness of the player. The 4 GS in one year is something that nobody has avhieved, but it's not connected with the 1962 record and with the other Grand Slams that RL has won. #8 is one of the things that make Laver one of the greatest players ever, but does this CYGS alone stack up to any of the top 7? Absolutely not.

TennisGrandSlam
07-18-2012, 10:07 AM
Losing most time to eventual Slam Champions : Lendl (23 times) :devil:

Most titles with Slam but not year-end number 1 : Vilas in 1977 (16 titles, with Roland Garros, US Open) :mad:

Losing to less players in 1 year : Federer in 2006 (2, Nadal x 4 :o, Murray x 1)

duarte_a
07-18-2012, 10:14 AM
Am I the only one that thinks 18 of 19 slam finals (streaks of 10 and 8) is more amazing and difficult to achieve than 23 straight semis?

Sophocles
07-18-2012, 10:28 AM
I agree that Borg's 3 consecutive RG-Wimbledon doubles from 1978-1981 should be on there. That was an amazing achievement when the clay and grass surfaces were so much more polarised, and players had to drastically adapt their games to win them both.

At RG he had so many 50-60 shot rallies, while at Wimbledon he serve-volleyed most of the time on his 1st serves.

With Laver's 1969, it's amazing that he won the biggest tournaments on all surfaces that year, grass (Australian Open, Wimbledon and US Open), clay (Roland Garros), hard courts (Johannesburg and Boston) and carpet (Philadelphia and Wembley). Yes contrary to the popular myth he had an excellent record on hard courts and carpet during his career as well as on grass and clay.

In the open era no-one else has had such impressive versatility and won the biggest tournaments on all surfaces in one year.

Well said.

Overall it's a good selection of achievements, but the order is wrong - Laver's CYGS should clearly be at Number One - and the list as a whole is way too current-Top-3-centric. For example, Borg's main claim to greatness is the 3-year Channel Slam. It is absurd to miss it out.

Federer in 2
07-18-2012, 10:53 AM
UPDATED.
Added Borg's RG-Wimby record, Federer's run in GS finals, winning streaks on individual surfaces, and a couple more.
The list is extended to 35 records. Borg's is up at #9.

Losing most time to eventual Slam Champions : Lendl (23 times) :devil:

Most titles with Slam but not year-end number 1 : Vilas in 1977 (16 titles, with Roland Garros, US Open) :mad:

Losing to less players in 1 year : Federer in 2006 (2, Nadal x 4 :o, Murray x 1)

- Irrelevant :p
- Well this doesn't say a lot about the player's greatness, so I don't think so.
- True, but still not enough to get in the list. A loss a loss, even if it's to the same person :)

Am I the only one that thinks 18 of 19 slam finals (streaks of 10 and 8) is more amazing and difficult to achieve than 23 straight semis?

It is one place higher now.

Well said.

Overall it's a good selection of achievements, but the order is wrong - Laver's CYGS should clearly be at Number One - and the list as a whole is way too current-Top-3-centric. For example, Borg's main claim to greatness is the 3-year Channel Slam. It is absurd to miss it out.

Thank you, you are right about Borg and it has been added.
As I said, Laver's 1969 CYGS alone doesn't stack up to anything above it.

duarte_a
07-18-2012, 11:09 AM
Most titles with Slam but not year-end number 1 : Vilas in 1977 (16 titles, with Roland Garros, US Open) :mad:


Can you explain how was that possible?! :eek:

Who ended #1 that year?

ssj100
07-18-2012, 11:19 AM
Can you explain how was that possible?! :eek:

Who ended #1 that year?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ATP_number_1_ranked_singles_players#Year-end_number_1

BlueSwan
07-18-2012, 11:29 AM
11. Holding the World #1 ranking for a total of 287 weeks (and counting).
Held by Roger Federer

6. Six consecutive years as year-end World #1.
Held by Pete Sampras

2. Holding the World #1 ranking for 237 consecutive weeks.
Held by Roger Federer

The listed three records all have to do with the #1 ranking. I think by FAR the most important of those are total weeks at #1. I've always failed to see why it was more impressive to hold it consecutively. Sampras' record for year-end finishes at #1 is also terribly overrated given that being #1 at the end of the year isn't a greater achievement than being #1 at any other point in the year. All it says is that you were the best player over the previous 52 weeks.

Basically, I would have the total weeks at #1 record somewhere in the top 10, but the two others way further down the list.

#1 should be 17 Grand Slam titles. Ask 100 tour players which of the records they'd want the most and 100 of them will say THAT ONE, without the slightest hesitation.

Federer in 2
07-18-2012, 12:29 PM
The listed three records all have to do with the #1 ranking. I think by FAR the most important of those are total weeks at #1. I've always failed to see why it was more impressive to hold it consecutively. Sampras' record for year-end finishes at #1 is also terribly overrated given that being #1 at the end of the year isn't a greater achievement than being #1 at any other point in the year. All it says is that you were the best player over the previous 52 weeks.

Basically, I would have the total weeks at #1 record somewhere in the top 10, but the two others way further down the list.

#1 should be 17 Grand Slam titles. Ask 100 tour players which of the records they'd want the most and 100 of them will say THAT ONE, without the slightest hesitation.

About the 6 year-ends #1, this is a pretty significant accomplishment. I realize being number 1 after the end of the season is like being number 1 at any other point, but as you said, it shows you've been the best for the last 12 months. The fact that he managed to get more points that anybody six times in a row, starting from scratch every January, speaks for itself.

For most players the number of total weeks at the top means more then the number of consecutive weeks. Rafael Nadal for example, didn't have a couple of dominant years in a row, but he was number 1 at times. In Federer's case, the 237 weeks show his dominance for more than four years without a break, and this is something that nobody else was even close to. Even though he also holds the record for most weeks total, this is less meaningful for his legacy because he is not the longevity GOAT.

duarte_a
07-18-2012, 12:31 PM
About the 6 year-ends #1, this is a pretty significant accomplishment. I realize being number 1 after the end of the season is like being number 1 at any other point, but as you said, it shows you've been the best for the last 12 months. The fact that he managed to get more points that anybody six times in a row, starting from scratch every January, speaks for itself.

For most players the number of total weeks at the top means more then the number of consecutive weeks. Rafael Nadal for example, didn't have a couple of dominant years in a row, but he was number 1 at times. In Federer's case, the 237 weeks show his dominance for more than four years without a break, and this is something that nobody else was even close to. Even though he also holds the record for most weeks total, this is less meaningful for his legacy because he is not the longevity GOAT yet.

Fixed. ;)

atennisfan
07-18-2012, 01:49 PM
The listed three records all have to do with the #1 ranking. I think by FAR the most important of those are total weeks at #1. I've always failed to see why it was more impressive to hold it consecutively. Sampras' record for year-end finishes at #1 is also terribly overrated given that being #1 at the end of the year isn't a greater achievement than being #1 at any other point in the year. All it says is that you were the best player over the previous 52 weeks.

Basically, I would have the total weeks at #1 record somewhere in the top 10, but the two others way further down the list.

#1 should be 17 Grand Slam titles. Ask 100 tour players which of the records they'd want the most and 100 of them will say THAT ONE, without the slightest hesitation.

Totally agree all above.

end of year#1 shouldn't be that impressive.

TennisGrandSlam
07-18-2012, 02:02 PM
Can you explain how was that possible?! :eek:

Who ended #1 that year?

It is possible :mad:

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=87323

thrust
07-18-2012, 02:18 PM
i would rate federer's 65on hard above nadals 81 on clay

now this is the reason why- i respect the heck out of what rafa did- i dont think anyone will ever win 81 straight on clay ever again

but- this era has sucked for clay court specialists (feel free to disagree- but if you do disagree name 5 clay court specialists in this era)
this is maybe the greatest hard court era of all time- everyone is a HC specialist- but especially nole fed murray- these guys are approaching all time great levels on HC

i dont buy the "laver only play on grass for hs CGS"

here's what else he wo in 69

philli CARPET
south african open HARD
madison square garden INDOOR
BBC2 world pros INDOOR
US pros UNI TURF
texas HARD

so yeah---- even in 1969 rod showed he would have been fine on any surface type

TRUE! How about winning 4 slams and 2 WCT finals between ages 33-37? Rosewall won his first slam at 18. Longevity, at the top, should count for something.

thrust
07-18-2012, 02:21 PM
Totally agree all above.

end of year#1 shouldn't be that impressive.

NONSENSE! If your Idol, Federer, had that achievement you would be claiming it as a great achievement. Federer is nont the ONLY great player of the Open Era, or any era.

shadows
07-18-2012, 02:35 PM
32. Winning streak of 65 matches on grass.
Held by Roger Federer

31. Winning streak of 56 matches on hard court.
Held by Roger Federer

Wrong way round imo

atennisfan
07-18-2012, 02:48 PM
NONSENSE! If your Idol, Federer, had that achievement you would be claiming it as a great achievement. Federer is nont the ONLY great player of the Open Era, or any era.

True, Federer is one of the great players of any era, but clearly he is the greatest.

Juz78
07-18-2012, 02:59 PM
32. Winning streak of 65 matches on grass.
Held by Roger Federer

31. Winning streak of 56 matches on hard court.
Held by Roger Federer

Wrong way round imo

I think he qualified this by saying that everyone is a hard court specialist these days so it is much harder getting higher numbers on hard court than grass.

nole_no1
07-18-2012, 03:07 PM
8. Winning all 4 Grand Slams in one year (Calendar Year Grand Slam).
Held by Rod Laver

This should be placed higher. Should be top 5

atennisfan
07-18-2012, 03:21 PM
8. Winning all 4 Grand Slams in one year (Calendar Year Grand Slam).
Held by Rod Laver

This should be placed higher. Should be top 5

Winning CYGS THESE DAYS is much much harder than it was back in 1969, for many reasons, the number of matches for one.

Federer in 2
07-18-2012, 03:59 PM
32. Winning streak of 65 matches on grass.
Held by Roger Federer

31. Winning streak of 56 matches on hard court.
Held by Roger Federer

Wrong way round imo

I think he qualified this by saying that everyone is a hard court specialist these days so it is much harder getting higher numbers on hard court than grass.

-Like Juz78 said, it's harder to have those numbers on HC, since there are almost no 'walkover' players and everybody can play good on this surface.
-2 Grand Slams on HC, only 1 on grass.
Overall, this makes up for the 9 match difference.

8. Winning all 4 Grand Slams in one year (Calendar Year Grand Slam).
Held by Rod Laver

This should be placed higher. Should be top 5

Once again, I can't put it above any of the top 7. Don't know about you, but I think #8 will be broken in the next 15 years, and even if not, it will be broken before any of the higher ranked records. Top 5 will definitely stand for a long time. Very little possibility of #6 and #7 being broken anytime soon as well.

-----------------------------------------------------------------

I noticed that someone said earlier it's ridiculous that so many records belong to Fedal, while there have been a bunch of great players. I noticed it too, but if you think about it...
Let's compare some of the records set by Pete Sampras and Rafael Nadal:

PS:
7 Wimbledon titles - Equaled
5 US open titles - Equaled
14 Grand Slam titles - Broken
286 Weeks as world #1 - Broken
6 Consecutive year end #1 - Still holds

RN:
7 French Open titles - Still holds
21 Masters titles - Still holds
Winning percentage on clay - Still holds
Winning streak on clay - Still holds
Plus, he is 2 matches away from potentially having the best winning percentage overall, instead of Borg.

So Nadal has more records, despite the fact that Pete is more accomplished :shrug:

Mountaindewslave
07-18-2012, 04:35 PM
i would rate federer's 65on hard above nadals 81 on clay

now this is the reason why- i respect the heck out of what rafa did- i dont think anyone will ever win 81 straight on clay ever again

but- this era has sucked for clay court specialists (feel free to disagree- but if you do disagree name 5 clay court specialists in this era)
this is maybe the greatest hard court era of all time- everyone is a HC specialist- but especially nole fed murray- these guys are approaching all time great levels on HC

i dont buy the "laver only play on grass for hs CGS"

here's what else he wo in 69

philli CARPET
south african open HARD
madison square garden INDOOR
BBC2 world pros INDOOR
US pros UNI TURF
texas HARD

so yeah---- even in 1969 rod showed he would have been fine on any surface type

you're on crack, clay is known for upsets because any player can get their feet into the ground in a match due to the slow speed. Federer had to play amazing to uphold his hard streak but hard plays so much faster that he could run away with a lot of the wins.
Nadal had to grind out so many victories in a row its incredible.
I think you are by far one the only people who would say Federer's hard streak is as impressive as Nadal's clay streak

Federer4Everer
07-18-2012, 04:38 PM
Reaching the finals at all 4 slams 5 or more times? = RF stands alone
10 or more titles on each of hard outdoor, hard indoor, clay and grass? = RF stands alone

Not sure if these make the top 35 but maybe they do?

jcempire
07-18-2012, 04:46 PM
Inspired by Johnny's list :p
I've made a list of what I consider to be the most remarkable 35 records and achievements of Tennis players in the Open Era. It's a little hard to explain how I've ranked them, but this is pretty much personal opinion.
If you don't like it...Well, so what? :nerner:

35. Winning 18 consecutive tie-breaks.
Held by Andy Roddick

34. Winning streak of 66 matches on carpet.
Held by Ivan Lendl

33. Reaching 8 consecutive US Open finals.
Held by Ivan Lendl

32. Winning streak of 65 matches on grass.
Held by Roger Federer

31. Winning streak of 56 matches on hard court.
Held by Roger Federer

30. Winning streak of 46 matches.
Held by Guillermo Vilas

29. Winning at least one title for 14 consecutive years.
Held by Ivan Lendl

28. Winning streak of 81 matches on clay.
Held by Rafael Nadal

27. Winning 5 (consecutive) Masters titles in one season.
Held by Novak Djokovic

26. Having a 96.47 winning percentage in one season.
Held by John McEnroe

25. Winning 24 finals in a row.
Held by Roger Federer

24. Having a 93.04% winning percentage on clay.
Held by Rafael Nadal

23. Winning the same Masters tournament (Monte Carlo) 8 consecutive times (and counting).
Held by Rafael Nadal

22. Reaching 33 consecutive Grand Slam quarter finals (and counting).
Held by Roger Federer

21. A total of 109 career titles.
Held by Jimmy Connors

20. Winning 6 World Tour Finals/Year End Championship titles (and counting).
Held by Roger Federer

19. Winning 4 Australian Open titles.
Held by Andre Agassi, Roger Federer (still counting)

18. Reaching the finals of all 4 slams in 3 different years.
Held by Roger Federer

17. Having an 82.72% career winning percentage.
Held by Bjorn Borg

16. Winning 5 US Open titles.
Held by Jimmy Connors, Pete Sampras, Roger Federer(still counting)

15. Winning a Career Golden Grand Slam
Held by Andre Agassi, Rafael Nadal

14. Winning 21 Masters titles (and counting)
Held by Rafael Nadal

13. Reaching 23 consecutive Grand Slam semi finals.
Held by Roger Federer

12. Making 18 finals out of 19 Grand Slam tournaments, 10 of them being consecutive.
Held by Roger Federer

11. Holding the World #1 ranking for a total of 287 weeks (and counting).
Held by Roger Federer

10. Winning at least one Grand Slams for 8 consecutive years.
Held by Bjorn Borg, Pete Sampras, Roger Federer, Rafael Nadal (still counting)

9. Winning 3 consecutive RG-Wimby doubles (while winning each at least 5 times overall).
Held by Bjorn Borg

8. Winning all 4 Grand Slams in one year (Calendar Year Grand Slam).
Held by Rod Laver

7. Winning 3 out of 4 Grand Slams in 3 different years.
Held by Roger Federer

6. Six consecutive years as year-end World #1.
Held by Pete Sampras

5. Winning 7 Wimbledon titles.
Held by Pete Sampras, Roger Federer (still counting, including 5 straight)

4. Winning 7 French Open titles (and counting) including 4 straight (currently 3 and counting), and a 52-1 match record.
Held by Rafael Nadal

3. Winning 17 Grand Slam titles (and counting).
Held by Roger Federer

2. Holding the World #1 ranking for 237 consecutive weeks.
Held by Roger Federer

1. Winning 5 consecutive titles in two different Grand Slams.
Held by Roger Federer


What a great JOB

HKz
07-18-2012, 05:02 PM
you're on crack, clay is known for upsets because any player can get their feet into the ground in a match due to the slow speed. Federer had to play amazing to uphold his hard streak but hard plays so much faster that he could run away with a lot of the wins.
Nadal had to grind out so many victories in a row its incredible.
I think you are by far one the only people who would say Federer's hard streak is as impressive as Nadal's clay streak

I think Rafa's 81 clay streak more impressive than Roger's grass/hardcourt streaks, but your post has continued to shown me why I think you fail pretty badly. Since when does faster surfaces play for someone's favor over a period of time? We have seen over the years that Nadal, even Djokovic/Federer/Murray, can quickly get blown off the court on faster surfaces (just look at how many times Nadal has had to escape Wimbledon's first week over the years and it finally caught up to him this year) but how often do you see complete blowouts of these top players on clay? Very rarely. So for a clay court specialist, like Rafa, they are not going to be blown off the court and get sent on the next plane ticket home. Who gives a fuck if it is "grinding" that is kind of what you are supposed to do on clay..?

Federer in 2
07-18-2012, 05:25 PM
Reaching the finals at all 4 slams 5 or more times? = RF stands alone
10 or more titles on each of hard outdoor, hard indoor, clay and grass? = RF stands alone

Not sure if these make the top 35 but maybe they do?

About the first one, I just think all the other ones (18/19 finals in a row, all 4 finals in 3 different years) kinda already contain it.

And crap, I missed the second one. :facepalm:
Maybe I'll Extend again soon, or maybe I'll just knock A-Rod out :\

What a great JOB

Thank you :D

Echoes
07-18-2012, 06:34 PM
Some of my favourites:

Most single tournament wins: 149 held by Jimmy Connors (109 ATP sanctioned tournaments).
I'm already seeing replies coming. This is not the record sanctioned by the ATP and many were Mickey Mouse tournaments. But fact is, before the ATP controlled the Tour in 1990, there were a great many invitational event that were TRUE COMPETITION and even more prestigious than most ATP sanctioned tournaments. Of course, there are MM tournaments in the pack but all in all, not more than a dozen of them, which still gives us about 130 tournament wins, which still puts Connors way ahead of all currently active players. Only Lendl seems on level terms with him (147 overall, also about 130 serious tournaments). Lendl won 5 times the European Community Championship in Antwerp, arguably one of the best non-GS tournaments in the 80's.

Most tournament wins (singles and doubles combined): 185 held by John McEnroe (104 in single, including 77 sanctioned by the ATP; 81 in doubles, including 79 sanctioned by the ATP and you might add at least one mixed doubles)

Most wins in both singles and doubles events of one and the same tournament: 33 held by John McEnroe: http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=10613051&postcount=1

Every record of the Isner/Mahut match

Most match wins (on ATP sanctioned tournaments): 1241, held by Jimmy Connors

Laver's Grand Slam (stop calling it CYGS, it's the GS, period !!!) is even greater than we thought. Laver is the only player to have won 5 tournaments in one year with all matches being best-of-five (Australian Open, Jo'burg, RG, Wimbledon, US Open). The only thing is, the Australian Open was only a 32-man field. Jo'burg was actually more GS like with its 64-man field (6 match wins to get the tourney) and as already mentioned on this thread, Jo'burg was on hard court.

In 1970, Laver was advised against playing the Aus Open, because of the low prize money and rather played the Sydney Dunlop Open, which was the unofficial Aus Open, and won it (16-man field but all matches were best of five, again !!)


And last but not least, my own favourite Rod Laver performance:

The unbeaten streak of 11 winner-take-all matches at the Tennis Champions Classic in 1971:

1/2 New York Laver d Rosewall 6-3,6-4,7-5.
1/10 Rochester Laver d Newcombe 6-4,6-2,4-6,5-7,6-4.
1/13 Boston Laver d Roche 7-5,4-6,3-6,7-5,6-1.
1/17 Philadelphia Laver d Emerson 6-2,6-3,7-5
1/21 New York Laver d Ashe 7-5,6-4,7-5.
1/23 Detroit Laver d Okker 5-7,5-7,6-2,6-2,6-2.
1/28 New York Laver d Ashe 3-6,6-3,6-3,6-4.
2/4 Los Angeles Laver d Taylor 6-3,7-5,6-2.
2/6 New York Laver d Okker 6-1,6-4,6-3.
2/17 New York Laver d Ralston 3-6,6-1,6-4,6-3.
2/19 New Haven Laver d Emerson 6-3,5-7,6-3,3-6,6-3.

3/18 New York SF Laver d Ralston 6-3,6-4,7-5.
New York SF Okker d Emerson 6-4,2-6,4.6,6-3,6-4.

3/19 New York F Laver d Okker 7-5,6-2,6-1.


http://news.google.com/newspapers?ni...g=2713,4349824

Imagine a double Grand Slam tournament, though you may in a span of 2.5 months, with a 1st round against Rosewall, a 2nd round against Newcombe, etc. in different venues, playing in L.A. one day and in New-York, two days after.

This achievement is completely forgotten today, but did happen. :worship:




oh and Edith tells me that Vilas should own the record of longest match winning streak on clay, which only was interrupted by Nastase's "spaghetti racquet".

Federer4Everer
07-18-2012, 06:35 PM
The "10 or more on each surface" is likely to last "forever" I guess since there are so so few grass tournaments nowadays... Too bad I guess he will never get 10 titles on carpet (he has 2 now)...

Why not make the list 36 and keep A-Rod?

Apophis
07-18-2012, 08:07 PM
Am I the only one that thinks 18 of 19 slam finals (streaks of 10 and 8) is more amazing and difficult to achieve than 23 straight semis?

No, it is actually far more impressive than the semifinal streak, which itself is already very difficult (though Djokovic is doing a good job right now with 9 and counting).

Apophis
07-18-2012, 08:12 PM
The listed three records all have to do with the #1 ranking. I think by FAR the most important of those are total weeks at #1. I've always failed to see why it was more impressive to hold it consecutively. Sampras' record for year-end finishes at #1 is also terribly overrated given that being #1 at the end of the year isn't a greater achievement than being #1 at any other point in the year. All it says is that you were the best player over the previous 52 weeks.

Basically, I would have the total weeks at #1 record somewhere in the top 10, but the two others way further down the list.

#1 should be 17 Grand Slam titles. Ask 100 tour players which of the records they'd want the most and 100 of them will say THAT ONE, without the slightest hesitation.

I agree that the 287 is mostly an important record. It is not as hard to break as several other records, given that no less than 3 other players have come closer than 90% of this number.

Fed Muzza Killer
07-18-2012, 09:01 PM
Good List , Wrong Order

To me top 5 should be :

Borg Wimbleodn-RG Combo for 3 Straight Year
Laver's CYGS
237 Consecutive as No1-Fed
Fed 23 Consecutive SF(or 18/19 Finals) , this Record is INSANE ! maybe even Harder than Winning 17 GS (well,surely) but to me 17GS is more important.
17 GS ===> Without a doub No1

atennisfan
07-18-2012, 11:24 PM
About the first one, I just think all the other ones (18/19 finals in a row, all 4 finals in 3 different years) kinda already contain it.

And crap, I missed the second one. :facepalm:
Maybe I'll Extend again soon, or maybe I'll just knock A-Rod out :\



Thank you :D

Take A-Rod out.
consecutive tie-break wins? puhleeasee.
Next you'll include Mahut-Isner match

atennisfan
07-18-2012, 11:29 PM
Good List , Wrong Order

To me top 5 should be :

Borg Wimbleodn-RG Combo for 3 Straight Year
Laver's CYGS
237 Consecutive as No1-Fed
Fed 23 Consecutive SF(or 18/19 Finals) , this Record is INSANE ! maybe even Harder than Winning 17 GS (well,surely) but to me 17GS is more important.
17 GS ===> Without a doub No1


I agree with this.

Freak3yman84
07-18-2012, 11:30 PM
If you're going to include Roddick's 18 consecutive tie-break wins, I think Querrey's 10 aces in a row is more impressive than that :p

atennisfan
07-19-2012, 12:09 AM
If you're going to include Roddick's 18 consecutive tie-break wins, I think Querrey's 10 aces in a row is more impressive than that :p

Both should not belong in list of GREATEST ACHIEVEMENTS!!!!

I'm sure I can find in my local tennis clubs someone who win 20+ consecutive tie-break wins!
But I surely cannot find someone in my local tennis clubs who won most consecutive Slams semis.

Freak3yman84
07-19-2012, 12:19 AM
Both should not belong in list of GREATEST ACHIEVEMENTS!!!!

I'm sure I can find in my local tennis clubs someone who win 20+ consecutive tie-break wins!
But I surely cannot find someone in my local tennis clubs who won most consecutive Slams semis.

If you're going to include Roddick's 18 consecutive tie-break wins, I think Querrey's 10 aces in a row is more impressive than that :p

Hence the bolded portion.

Federer in 2
07-19-2012, 09:50 AM
Good List , Wrong Order

To me top 5 should be :

Borg Wimbleodn-RG Combo for 3 Straight Year
Laver's CYGS
237 Consecutive as No1-Fed
Fed 23 Consecutive SF(or 18/19 Finals) , this Record is INSANE ! maybe even Harder than Winning 17 GS (well,surely) but to me 17GS is more important.
17 GS ===> Without a doub No1

I agree with this.

Thanks for sharing your opinion ;)

Commander Data
07-19-2012, 09:54 AM
11. Holding the World #1 ranking for a total of 287 weeks (and counting).
Held by Roger Federer

8. Winning all 4 Grand Slams in one year (Calendar Year Grand Slam).
Held by Rod Laver

3. Winning 17 Grand Slam titles (and counting).
Held by Roger Federer

1. Winning 5 consecutive titles in two different Grand Slams.
Held by Roger Federer

fail.

Nathaliia
07-19-2012, 10:20 AM
borg's achievement was insane

so was laver's CYGS ofc

but i'm also all for the federer's records of holding world #1 in consecutive weeks and making 23 slam semis... it really says it all about utter domination... no injury, no random lapse, no bad day...

your #1 record is great too

ServeVolley
07-19-2012, 01:23 PM
Reaching the finals at all 4 slams 5 or more times? = RF stands alone
10 or more titles on each of hard outdoor, hard indoor, clay and grass? = RF stands alone

They should be up there for sure, particularly the second one.

7 Grand Slams + 5 ATP 250s = 12 grass titles
9 Grand Slams + 6 WTFs + 15 Masters + 12 ATP 500s + 10 ATP 250s = 51 hard court titles
1 Grand Slam + 6 Masters + 3 ATP 250s = 10 clay titles

12 + 51 + 10

Those sort of all-surface numbers are just incredible... :eek:

TennisOnWood
07-19-2012, 01:49 PM
They should be up there for sure, particularly the second one.

7 Grand Slams + 5 ATP 250s = 12 grass titles
9 Grand Slams + 6 WTFs + 15 Masters + 12 ATP 500s + 10 ATP 250s = 51 hard court titles
1 Grand Slam + 6 Masters + 3 ATP 250s = 10 clay titles

12 + 51 + 10

Those sort of all-surface numbers are just incredible... :eek:

What do you think of almost 30 ATP titles that Lendl won each on Clay, Hard and Carpet

Ouragan
07-19-2012, 10:21 PM
Great work, Bashkatik, this thread is already the authority on records in this forum.

Federer in 2
07-19-2012, 10:32 PM
Great work, Bashkatik, this thread is already the authority on records in this forum.

Thank you :hatoff:

--------------------

UPDATED

Roddick out, Federer's 10 titles on each surface up to #26.

TigerTim
07-19-2012, 11:34 PM
Boris Becker being 17 years and XXX days old and winning Wimbledon :worship:

Edit; of course Borg's 4 channel slams :worship:
Andre Agassi winning Aussie and World no.1 at 33?

If this was not just Open Era Don Budge - 6 slams in a row - should be top 15

Honestly
07-20-2012, 12:36 AM
18/19 finals should be there. Much more impressive than the semifinal streak.

Word.

Federer in 2
07-20-2012, 12:44 AM
Word.

Yup, already there.

Corey Feldman
07-20-2012, 10:49 AM
good effort Bashkatic

my own fave achievments are the 18 from 19 GS finals from 05 Wimbledon to 10 Australian Open, 23 straight GS semis and 33* not out GS quarter finals from Fed
then you had the 23 straight top ten wins and 23 straight ATP finals won

they almost impress me more than 17 titles, which is hardly bad either tbh

Litotes
07-20-2012, 11:30 AM
Edit; of course Borg's 4 channel slams

Three channel slams, not four - 1978-80. In 1974-5 and 81 he won the FO only, in 1976-7 Wimby only

TennisOnWood
07-20-2012, 11:39 AM
So, Federer is there with 10 titles in 3 different surfaces and Lendl is not with 31 on Hard, 28 on Clay and 33 on Carpet

Ivan won just 2 titles on Gras but Federer also could play on Carpet for almost 10 years

TigerTim
07-20-2012, 11:58 AM
Three channel slams, not four - 1978-80. In 1974-5 and 81 he won the FO only, in 1976-7 Wimby only

ahh, my bad, great none the less ;)

Roamed
07-20-2012, 01:21 PM
What about 124 consecutive wins against players outside the Top 5 in the slams (2004 Wimbledon – 2009 US Open)? Although I have no idea how close any other players come to that or even if it is a record.

feuselino
07-20-2012, 01:24 PM
Great list!!

Didn't Federer also had something like 24 consecutive wins against Top 10 opponents or something like that? Was a record, if my memory serves me correctly?

Litotes
07-20-2012, 03:57 PM
Great list!!

Didn't Federer also had something like 24 consecutive wins against Top 10 opponents or something like that? Was a record, if my memory serves me correctly?

Not 24, but 26 in a row from October 2003 to January 2005. Yes - it is a record. The second longest streak ever is 17, also set by Federer (2006-7).

24 is finals won in a row, you are probably mixing the two.

Litotes
07-20-2012, 03:58 PM
What about 124 consecutive wins against players outside the Top 5 in the slams (2004 Wimbledon – 2009 US Open)? Although I have no idea how close any other players come to that or even if it is a record.

Wikipedia lists it as a record but doesn't say what is second best ever.

Federer in 2
07-20-2012, 09:04 PM
Thank you, everybody :)
I'll consider all the records you mentioned lately. A little hard to pick between them, but we'll see.

jjc225
07-21-2012, 02:37 AM
The amazing thing about that career winning percentage of Borg, 82.72%, is that it includes him going 0-8 after coming out of retirement and giving it a second go. The winning percentage was even higher without that little bump in the road.

Oh, and I believe Lendl was the greatest player of all time, although a match against Laver in his prime would certainly be a sight to behold.

Corey Feldman
07-21-2012, 01:24 PM
thought of another one

-Fed's 1045 career matches without ever retiring hurt

TigerTim
07-21-2012, 02:00 PM
1. Should be "the birth of GOAT Rosol"

gaitare
08-08-2012, 02:52 PM
1. Seven birthdays as #1.

Held by Roger Federer.

Federer in 2
08-08-2012, 06:17 PM
1. Seven birthdays as #1.

Held by Roger Federer.

I'll get right on that :lol:

DJ Soup
08-08-2012, 06:42 PM
Fed winning streak on hard AND grass > Nadal's winning streak on clay

simple:

65 (spanning 5 years) + 56 = 121

121 > 81


why do I add it up? Because we have to value the fact that it is 2 different courts. Whereas Nadal did it in only one.

DJ Soup
08-08-2012, 06:44 PM
thought of another one

-Fed's 1045 career matches without ever retiring hurt

I really think this one is really impressive.

Here you've got the greatest player ever and his game style didn't hurt much his body, as opposed to many others.
It shows that Fed embodies tennis.

Federer in 2
08-19-2012, 07:13 PM
Roger Federer has tied Rafael Nadal with 21 Masters titles. They now share record #14:

14. Winning 21 Masters titles (and counting)
Held by Rafael Nadal, Roger Federer

Litotes
08-19-2012, 07:18 PM
Fed winning streak on hard AND grass > Nadal's winning streak on clay

simple:

65 (spanning 5 years) + 56 = 121

121 > 81


why do I add it up? Because we have to value the fact that it is 2 different courts. Whereas Nadal did it in only one.

In fairness, you would have to add Nadal's best grass streak also. That is 14 matches - Queens 08, Wimby 08 and two matches in Queens 10. So 121 against 95.

IOFH
08-19-2012, 08:11 PM
Statistically 18/19 Slam finals (spanning the 2 longest finals streak with 10 an 8) is more impressive than the 23 and the most impressive achievement in tennis IMO.

Federer in 2
07-08-2013, 10:08 PM
Just thought I'd give this an update...Been a while.

- Nadal's 8th RG title + 4 straight once again + 59-1 record
- Djokovic's 4th AO title + 3 straight
- Nadal's 9th straight year winning a slam, finally stands alone
- Nadal's winning percentage on clay up from 93.04% to 93.29%.
- Nadal's winning percentage overall up to 83.36%, surpassing Bjorn Borg.
- Nadal still at 8 Monte Carlo titles, but the streak no longer goes on.
- Federer with 36 consecutive Slam quarter finals now, but the streak no longer goes on.
- Nadal up from 21 to 24 masters titles, up one place to #13.

Also switched Federer's #2, and #3 records. Kinda changed my mind about it.

Roger That...
07-08-2013, 10:14 PM
Novak has 13 straight semi finals now. Can see him getting close to Rogers 23

Kyle_Johansen
07-08-2013, 10:17 PM
Great list, I agree with most of it.

nadalfan2013
07-08-2013, 10:17 PM
How about winning a grandslam on each surface (clay, grass, hardcourt) in the same year??? This has to be somewhere on the list, it shows excellence.


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oz_boz
07-08-2013, 10:23 PM
Top achievement isn't necessarily the one which is hardest to break. For me the top achievement (which I would rather have as a player) would be Federer's 17 majors and Laver's 2 Grand Slams. But the most difficult to break are probably streaks, like the 18/19 finals and 23 straight SFs, the 2*5 Slam title streaks, and the 8 straight MC titles.

Federer in 2
07-08-2013, 11:09 PM
Great list, I agree with most of it.

Thanks! Good enough for me lol, impossible to agree 100% with such a list ;)

Kyle_Johansen
07-08-2013, 11:15 PM
Top achievement isn't necessarily the one which is hardest to break. For me the top achievement (which I would rather have as a player) would be Federer's 17 majors and Laver's 2 Grand Slams. But the most difficult to break are probably streaks, like the 18/19 finals and 23 straight SFs, the 2*5 Slam title streaks, and the 8 straight MC titles.

That is the top achievement though, the one you said isn't the hardest to break.

GSMnadal
07-08-2013, 11:51 PM
Nadal's clay GOATness should be #1. That is all.

Roger That...
07-09-2013, 12:39 AM
Nadal's clay GOATness should be #1. That is all.

Federer's general GOATness should be at #1. That is all.